My car is now 17 years old (1.6 Astra H) and the same age as my eldest daughter. I maintain it and its been completely reliable and looks almost like new. However thinking back to when I was her age, a 17 year old car would have been absolutely on its last legs!
It's hilarious when people think because their cars need brake pads or tyres, its wearing out and they think it's time to get a new car. I bet salesmen lap it up :D
lol I just replaced all 4 pads, 4 discs and a caliper. Still have to replace the brake sensor, cause that's apparently designed to break and be replaced when you do the brakes lol.
I keep my car for years because I invest time and money maintaining it well. I change my car when I tire of it, which normally takes 7-10 years, but I plan to keep my current car gor 20 years. I've had it nearly 5 years now, and am still pleased with it.
having a car you own with no finance and something that is reliable for me is the best option, and being easy to work on, so you can service it yourself, and know the job has been done right and have a sense of pride that connects you to the vehicle, and to be able to do as many miles as possible. I once did 300,000 miles in a 2001 2.0 Litre petrol Toyota avensis, just basic serving and consumables, same original clutch as well. a brilliant car - I also love the look and style of the old Toyota Celica's, I think they will be a future classic.
I have a 2012 Mini Cooper JCW R58 (Coupe). Red with black stripes. It's had a ridiculous amount of attention from strangers and have been told numerous times it will be a collectors car one day. They were made from 2011 to 2015.
I've always had older cars, the newest I ever had was nine years and my current daily is on a 52 plate. I'll sell a car if it costs more in repairs than going out and getting another one. Pre-covid, most of my cars were under £1,000 which made the decision much easier because now those same cars are £2,500-£3,000 so if something major goes wrong like a clutch, I can't get another car for less than the cost of replacing that clutch and then I worry about what else could go wrong in the future and ending up with a money-pit because I've already spent money on it and dont want to waste the money I just spent.
I have a 2012 mk3 ford focus st which is tuned. The reason for wanting a newer car is solely because I want to experience something different, maybe a V8 before they dissappear amongst the sea of EVs. Always good to experience different makes and models,(performance) to appreciate cars in general as a petrol head!
You are spot on. To some ' life is too short to drive boring cars'. However, many people choose a car like it's a kettle. They also baulk at spending more than £20 on one of those. Similarities are accepting mediocre performance (waiting ages for it to boil). Never maintain (descale) it and end up constantly replacing it with another cheap one. 😂
Good video. The problems for the buyers arise when some are selling their cars due to technical issues that they don't disclose. That's why a technical inspection is mandatory when buying used (I'm doing this even for cars less than one year old).
Have 34 year old Merc W460. Bought it 15 years ago for 9500euros. Over the years invested in new paint job, some minor welding, big engine service (in first year of ownership, just in case) and replacement of worn out parts around 15t euros. So fare did around 170t km. Since car has five digit odometer I don’t know its real milage. Never had a break down so far. Car is slow, reliable, durable, spacious, simple, fun, has great visibility from the cockpit, easy to park, easy to drive, has great turning circle. It is driven on and off road. For all the money spent I don’t know which new car could match it. As long as it is structurally safe I will drive it.
Biggest worry of running an older car, 10 years plus, is the increasing unavailability of spare parts, especially trim. My lovely and cherished and pampered bog standard 2005 Fabia vRS is now fitting into this category. Boot floor mat....trivial granted, but I like originality....no longer available.
The kia stinger I feel will become some sort od collectible or desired car atleast sometime in the future. Sad they discontinued it. It was a great affordable sports car
One thing you didn’t mention is that people will change there car every three years with new cars, as they do not have to worry about MOTs & do not keep up with its maintenance as they know that they will get rid of it because they are not bothered. As it’s only a piece of metal.
Correct - that is that once the trouble and strife once doesn’t trust it to get her to where she wants to go with just putting fuel in after a breakdown! Luckily my other half is very sensible and doesn’t equate one part failure to the whole car being unreliable - she listens to reason on this. That said, as per the video, if several things went on it in quick succession then that it would have to go, whatever I said.
I have a stock Audi S5 V8 from 2009 with only 52k on the clock. It's an expensive car to fix when it goes wrong (which is thankfully rare) but it is fully depreciated and, as a full member of that mid-noughties, Germanic V8 scene, it's part of a breed of cars we will probably never see again when the car makers were shoehorning big, normally aspirated engines into smaller cars. With the move toward smaller turbo engines and electric cars these old school bruisers are becoming a rarer and rarer sight on the roads.
My Mini Clubman ('08 R55) will likely be a future classic, but I don't know if the model that replaced it may end up becoming more of a future classic or not. It's currently got a much better reputation, but maybe in the future people will prefer the little less modern feel of the R55 generation. Additionally, though these cars didn't sell nearly as much as the regular Minis, they are still everywhere, as I've only noticed AFTER buying one. And lastly, they don't rust. Like at all. Everything rusts away in the UK and Netherlands, and somehow my 237.000km Mini has only the slightest of surface rust, except for the exhaust. Considering all this, I think more of these are going to remain on the road for longer, meaning that I believe it will take longer to become a future classic than other future classics of its age. On the other hand, most of these have already been exported to eastern Europe, and perhaps somehow that could lead to them being scrapped sooner... I have no idea.
For me, as someone who is looking to change car this year, it really is about just cost of maintaining it. I love my C30, and it has been reliable, but everything is just getting worn and needing replacement. And so while its not going to leave me stranded any time soon I just cant keep maintaining it to the standard that I would like. Which is also undoing years of neglect by previous owners. Ironically I do suspect it'll be pretry much problem free after I sell it, but the risk is always there.
I am driving a 16yo Subaru Outback. Its only half a year in my hands, and I can't say it was totally cheap to use, but I had no need for major repairs so far. Choosing a car, it comes down to your budget and your desires. Question is, what do you want your car to do and if you are able to pay for it. If you can't, you throw away some of your desires and after that you adjust the car age. So, after some thoughts and market checks, I simply had no other options to get but old Outback BP9 (ok, BP would have been better but I wanted a manual). Any better car that can do the same (AWD, large trunk space, not a SUV, good on highway, in snow and light off-roading, reasonably good cornering, at least 10 sec/100kmh) is way more expensive or too expensive to maintain, so I guess I am stuck with this one for a long time.
I think and hope my car is a future classic. It's a ford street ka with the optional hard top, I know in the UK they are cheap to buy and mostly rusty but here in France I paid almost 5k and have never ever seen another one. They were built by Pininfarina and only roughly 33k were made.
Hmm i have a 2007 Clio 197 doing 500bhp which i absolutely love. Bought it brand new! Also just got a brand new G80 M3 competition. Ive had other dailys in between but i cant sell my clio!
Daily is an Audi 80 8v coupe 95 vintage, slow but dependable, other car Alfa Brera Spider, production run about 12k units so not high volume, pretty car , hoping it will increase in value in future, only got 29k miles on it.
I have a 2012 HV, I bought new, that has ~127K miles and has a very well maintained engine. The frame is very solid. When the HB finally goes bad I’ll replace it myself. Right now I can do that for ~$2K with a more modern battery cell type. I don’t really care about how it looks. Outdated or not. I’d only get something different if, say, the transmission or engine actually was no longer serviceable.
I always buy used cars, ex-lease. They are usually well serviced, in good condition, and much of the depreciation has already taken place. I then change cars every 2 years, often with very little loss.
I bought in 14 a nearly new x demo Suzuki swift 1.3ddis its done now 59k is ultra reliable not bad on fuel 20quid to tax insurance cheap only fly in ointment for me is the dreaded Dpf. 😊
Already collectable, is likly my 2010 FJ CRUISER, it just crossing 100,000 km / 60,000 miles. Bought it from my brother. Paid $15,000 for it, with 40,000 km on the dial. Ironically, I got it exactly because of a baby. They needed a 4 door car. My sister in law sold it to my wife one day over lunch, and they never even consulted my brother or me about the deal. I do take care of it, but I also drive it overlanding. It is not like under a tarp in the garage.
Top content. I sold my Vauxhall vectra sri for scrap because it would make a cripple of anyone. I could have changed the suspension but I didn't get on with 1.9cdi. I could get my 99 s type 4.0 v8 remapped, it runs very lean on hot days. They are such a bargain if you get a good pre face-lift 3.0 or 4.0. 2004 onwards is dumb tax band for anything that goes up hills.
Loving your channel. I bought my Hyundai Terracan with the view to keeping it until it fell off the road. I bought it fit for purpose as basically a mobile kennel/off road capacity for my dogs whilst travelling around competing and working them. It is 20 years old and only 140k on the clock. Yes it has cost me mainly from damage done by main dealer work 😱. It has been absolutely maintained in accordance with manufacturer recommendations and then some. BUT. Finding parts now are like looking for rocking horse doo doo. Personally sourcing parts from South Korea or Europe is tedious. And this year Hyundai stopped supporting the servicing. So. What now? No idea but I do need to make a change as life has changed. Thinking Seat Tarraco, Dacia Duster, Skoda Kodiaq. Would like Honda CRV or Toyota RAV4 but too expensive. Preferably no older than 5 years and 50k miles or less on the clock. And nothing Chinese!! Any ideas?
My wifes 2003 ford focus 1.6 ebeny has been well looked after with only 70.000 miles on the clock still runs like new hand handles better then a lot of new cars it also gets more looks in the car park then most cars the car is part of the family so I would spend money on it to keep it going but my wife is probably right in saying now I am retired we don't need 2 cars but if it did go I would like a sports car of some type
Had I had the gift of seeing in to the future and had known that GM was going to shut Holden down, id have hung on to my LS1 powered Holden Commodore i had bought as a late teenager back in 2008. They're now worth too much for me to consider another one in the condition mine was in when I sold it.
I bought 2018 my Golf 7 Highline Variant Used with almost every option it could have (didn't want everyone of them) it has all the assistance of modern cars. DCC, Dynaudio, DSG, the pro infotainment system partly leather seats a power outlet 230V it's 10 mill lowered lowered from the factory. And so so much more. I love it just as much or more than when i got may beloved car. Im very nice to it and it gets all the necessary maintenance motor oil change etch year or at 15K KM 60 KM the transmission gets an oil change as well. Alright I'll stop here. Its staying with me.
I inherited a 2017 Citroen c1 1.2. 23,000 miles. It goes ok. Handles awful and is tiny. No room in boot. Just really want something bigger. Better presence on the road. Thing is, sane year car park with more miles is going to be another 3 or £4k+ which is bloody ridiculous.
Of course you should never change your car. If you have to change cars, you bought the wrong one. Would anyone get rid of their HONDA S2000? I think not. Alright, realistically, if cars like that were still being made today it would be a different story perhaps. But since cars are getting worse and worse, and this is the reality we face, my answer is still never. We sold our -92 Golf not because it was worse than any other car but because we couldn't afford to repair it.
seems like i skipped 2 100k miles milestones and not got a single mot advisory at 239k miles... what is the point of getting a newer one? with the same engine and gearbox like 8 years ago... important is the car to do what you need to and be suitable for your use...
Tyre selection makes a big difference check the DB rating when you buy. You could wrap sound deadening around the insides of the wheel well and inside the car under the carpet. Suspension is the next area, rubber bushings will dampen quite a bit of NVH.
Yes it still applies, although not so much on diesel engines, the mileage of dread on those in peoples minds is around 150,000. For some people they would avoid a petrol engine car at 70,000 miles. Like I'm always saying though, it is not the mileage but how it's looked after that makes a difference to reliability.
I drive a 2012 focus 2.0l diesel. My car will become a collectable car in the future, when the scrap man collects it. Ha ha. Net Zero, my arm.. Oops spelling mistake.
my old volvo has 350 000km and it takes me where I want, nowdays it woulde be 3 new cars with 100 000km each, old cars are made to last, not new cars with lifetime 100 000km😂😂😂
When driving a new or old car, remember the view outside is the same. The best car to own value wise is a depreciated one.
My car is now 17 years old (1.6 Astra H) and the same age as my eldest daughter. I maintain it and its been completely reliable and looks almost like new. However thinking back to when I was her age, a 17 year old car would have been absolutely on its last legs!
Okay I've decided to stick with my 20 years old Polo 9N for awhile unless something goes horribly with it
It's hilarious when people think because their cars need brake pads or tyres, its wearing out and they think it's time to get a new car. I bet salesmen lap it up :D
lol I just replaced all 4 pads, 4 discs and a caliper. Still have to replace the brake sensor, cause that's apparently designed to break and be replaced when you do the brakes lol.
I keep my car for years because I invest time and money maintaining it well. I change my car when I tire of it, which normally takes 7-10 years, but I plan to keep my current car gor 20 years. I've had it nearly 5 years now, and am still pleased with it.
having a car you own with no finance and something that is reliable for me is the best option, and being easy to work on, so you can service it yourself, and know the job has been done right and have a sense of pride that connects you to the vehicle, and to be able to do as many miles as possible. I once did 300,000 miles in a 2001 2.0 Litre petrol Toyota avensis, just basic serving and consumables, same original clutch as well. a brilliant car - I also love the look and style of the old Toyota Celica's, I think they will be a future classic.
I have a 2012 Mini Cooper JCW R58 (Coupe). Red with black stripes. It's had a ridiculous amount of attention from strangers and have been told numerous times it will be a collectors car one day. They were made from 2011 to 2015.
I've always had older cars, the newest I ever had was nine years and my current daily is on a 52 plate. I'll sell a car if it costs more in repairs than going out and getting another one.
Pre-covid, most of my cars were under £1,000 which made the decision much easier because now those same cars are £2,500-£3,000 so if something major goes wrong like a clutch, I can't get another car for less than the cost of replacing that clutch and then I worry about what else could go wrong in the future and ending up with a money-pit because I've already spent money on it and dont want to waste the money I just spent.
I have a 2012 mk3 ford focus st which is tuned.
The reason for wanting a newer car is solely because I want to experience something different, maybe a V8 before they dissappear amongst the sea of EVs.
Always good to experience different makes and models,(performance) to appreciate cars in general as a petrol head!
You are spot on. To some ' life is too short to drive boring cars'. However, many people choose a car like it's a kettle. They also baulk at spending more than £20 on one of those. Similarities are accepting mediocre performance (waiting ages for it to boil). Never maintain (descale) it and end up constantly replacing it with another cheap one. 😂
Good video.
The problems for the buyers arise when some are selling their cars due to technical issues that they don't disclose.
That's why a technical inspection is mandatory when buying used (I'm doing this even for cars less than one year old).
Have 34 year old Merc W460. Bought it 15 years ago for 9500euros. Over the years invested in new paint job, some minor welding, big engine service (in first year of ownership, just in case) and replacement of worn out parts around 15t euros. So fare did around 170t km. Since car has five digit odometer I don’t know its real milage. Never had a break down so far. Car is slow, reliable, durable, spacious, simple, fun, has great visibility from the cockpit, easy to park, easy to drive, has great turning circle. It is driven on and off road. For all the money spent I don’t know which new car could match it. As long as it is structurally safe I will drive it.
Biggest worry of running an older car, 10 years plus, is the increasing unavailability of spare parts, especially trim. My lovely and cherished and pampered bog standard 2005 Fabia vRS is now fitting into this category. Boot floor mat....trivial granted, but I like originality....no longer available.
@@colinjones2505 that and the increase in price of spares! Which just makes things even more difficult.
I'm going to be discussing repair costs very soon after your comment - there is a big issue here with lots of the "new tech"...
The kia stinger I feel will become some sort od collectible or desired car atleast sometime in the future. Sad they discontinued it. It was a great affordable sports car
One thing you didn’t mention is that people will change there car every three years with new cars, as they do not have to worry about MOTs & do not keep up with its maintenance as they know that they will get rid of it because they are not bothered. As it’s only a piece of metal.
A reason you missed - it broke down on a significant other, who suggested it was too old and unreliable and needed to be replaced.
Correct - that is that once the trouble and strife once doesn’t trust it to get her to where she wants to go with just putting fuel in after a breakdown!
Luckily my other half is very sensible and doesn’t equate one part failure to the whole car being unreliable - she listens to reason on this.
That said, as per the video, if several things went on it in quick succession then that it would have to go, whatever I said.
I have a stock Audi S5 V8 from 2009 with only 52k on the clock. It's an expensive car to fix when it goes wrong (which is thankfully rare) but it is fully depreciated and, as a full member of that mid-noughties, Germanic V8 scene, it's part of a breed of cars we will probably never see again when the car makers were shoehorning big, normally aspirated engines into smaller cars. With the move toward smaller turbo engines and electric cars these old school bruisers are becoming a rarer and rarer sight on the roads.
My Mini Clubman ('08 R55) will likely be a future classic, but I don't know if the model that replaced it may end up becoming more of a future classic or not. It's currently got a much better reputation, but maybe in the future people will prefer the little less modern feel of the R55 generation.
Additionally, though these cars didn't sell nearly as much as the regular Minis, they are still everywhere, as I've only noticed AFTER buying one. And lastly, they don't rust. Like at all. Everything rusts away in the UK and Netherlands, and somehow my 237.000km Mini has only the slightest of surface rust, except for the exhaust.
Considering all this, I think more of these are going to remain on the road for longer, meaning that I believe it will take longer to become a future classic than other future classics of its age.
On the other hand, most of these have already been exported to eastern Europe, and perhaps somehow that could lead to them being scrapped sooner... I have no idea.
Bought my golf when prices were reasonable- will run it until the wheels fall off 😊 Sue
For me, as someone who is looking to change car this year, it really is about just cost of maintaining it.
I love my C30, and it has been reliable, but everything is just getting worn and needing replacement. And so while its not going to leave me stranded any time soon I just cant keep maintaining it to the standard that I would like. Which is also undoing years of neglect by previous owners. Ironically I do suspect it'll be pretry much problem free after I sell it, but the risk is always there.
I am driving a 16yo Subaru Outback. Its only half a year in my hands, and I can't say it was totally cheap to use, but I had no need for major repairs so far. Choosing a car, it comes down to your budget and your desires. Question is, what do you want your car to do and if you are able to pay for it. If you can't, you throw away some of your desires and after that you adjust the car age. So, after some thoughts and market checks, I simply had no other options to get but old Outback BP9 (ok, BP would have been better but I wanted a manual).
Any better car that can do the same (AWD, large trunk space, not a SUV, good on highway, in snow and light off-roading, reasonably good cornering, at least 10 sec/100kmh) is way more expensive or too expensive to maintain, so I guess I am stuck with this one for a long time.
I think and hope my car is a future classic. It's a ford street ka with the optional hard top, I know in the UK they are cheap to buy and mostly rusty but here in France I paid almost 5k and have never ever seen another one. They were built by Pininfarina and only roughly 33k were made.
Thanks for the great videos!!🎉
Hmm i have a 2007 Clio 197 doing 500bhp which i absolutely love. Bought it brand new! Also just got a brand new G80 M3 competition. Ive had other dailys in between but i cant sell my clio!
my 03 zafira is nearly 22 years old. so its semi-historic...only another 18 years until I don't need VED or an MoT.
Daily is an Audi 80 8v coupe 95 vintage, slow but dependable, other car Alfa Brera Spider, production run about 12k units so not high volume, pretty car , hoping it will increase in value in future, only got 29k miles on it.
My ML is still running 20 years after I bought it.
I have a 2012 HV, I bought new, that has ~127K miles and has a very well maintained engine. The frame is very solid. When the HB finally goes bad I’ll replace it myself. Right now I can do that for ~$2K with a more modern battery cell type.
I don’t really care about how it looks. Outdated or not. I’d only get something different if, say, the transmission or engine actually was no longer serviceable.
I always buy used cars, ex-lease. They are usually well serviced, in good condition, and much of the depreciation has already taken place. I then change cars every 2 years, often with very little loss.
I bought in 14 a nearly new x demo Suzuki swift 1.3ddis its done now 59k is ultra reliable not bad on fuel 20quid to tax insurance cheap only fly in ointment for me is the dreaded Dpf. 😊
A car salesman told I was foolish to pay cash for my car.
There was the usual contribution towards the car which you actually pay in interest.
Already collectable, is likly my 2010 FJ CRUISER, it just crossing 100,000 km / 60,000 miles. Bought it from my brother. Paid $15,000 for it, with 40,000 km on the dial. Ironically, I got it exactly because of a baby. They needed a 4 door car. My sister in law sold it to my wife one day over lunch, and they never even consulted my brother or me about the deal. I do take care of it, but I also drive it overlanding. It is not like under a tarp in the garage.
My x trail 2005 has a fuel leak otherwise it runs a dream, 2.2 diesel is superb 175,00 miles no problem
Top content.
I sold my Vauxhall vectra sri for scrap because it would make a cripple of anyone.
I could have changed the suspension but I didn't get on with 1.9cdi.
I could get my 99 s type 4.0 v8 remapped, it runs very lean on hot days.
They are such a bargain if you get a good pre face-lift 3.0 or 4.0.
2004 onwards is dumb tax band for anything that goes up hills.
Loving your channel.
I bought my Hyundai Terracan with the view to keeping it until it fell off the road. I bought it fit for purpose as basically a mobile kennel/off road capacity for my dogs whilst travelling around competing and working them. It is 20 years old and only 140k on the clock.
Yes it has cost me mainly from damage done by main dealer work 😱. It has been absolutely maintained in accordance with manufacturer recommendations and then some.
BUT. Finding parts now are like looking for rocking horse doo doo. Personally sourcing parts from South Korea or Europe is tedious. And this year Hyundai stopped supporting the servicing.
So. What now? No idea but I do need to make a change as life has changed.
Thinking Seat Tarraco, Dacia Duster, Skoda Kodiaq. Would like Honda CRV or Toyota RAV4 but too expensive.
Preferably no older than 5 years and 50k miles or less on the clock. And nothing Chinese!!
Any ideas?
You are not alone in making a questionable decision. Seems emotions beat out common sense at times.
My wifes 2003 ford focus 1.6 ebeny has been well looked after with only 70.000 miles on the clock still runs like new hand handles better then a lot of new cars it also gets more looks in the car park then most cars the car is part of the family so I would spend money on it to keep it going but my wife is probably right in saying now I am retired we don't need 2 cars but if it did go I would like a sports car of some type
Had I had the gift of seeing in to the future and had known that GM was going to shut Holden down, id have hung on to my LS1 powered Holden Commodore i had bought as a late teenager back in 2008. They're now worth too much for me to consider another one in the condition mine was in when I sold it.
I really do like the looks of the Holden vehicles from the 80s and 90s.
I bought 2018 my Golf 7 Highline Variant Used with almost every option it could have (didn't want everyone of them) it has all the assistance of modern cars. DCC, Dynaudio, DSG, the pro infotainment system partly leather seats a power outlet 230V it's 10 mill lowered lowered from the factory. And so so much more. I love it just as much or more than when i got may beloved car. Im very nice to it and it gets all the necessary maintenance motor oil change etch year or at 15K KM 60 KM the transmission gets an oil change as well. Alright I'll stop here. Its staying with me.
I’m getting a 2014 Jetta tdi it’s in fair to good shape and I’d rather have it than a brand new one it’s got 120,000 miles on it!!
I inherited a 2017 Citroen c1 1.2. 23,000 miles. It goes ok. Handles awful and is tiny. No room in boot. Just really want something bigger. Better presence on the road. Thing is, sane year car park with more miles is going to be another 3 or £4k+ which is bloody ridiculous.
Of course you should never change your car. If you have to change cars, you bought the wrong one. Would anyone get rid of their HONDA S2000? I think not. Alright, realistically, if cars like that were still being made today it would be a different story perhaps. But since cars are getting worse and worse, and this is the reality we face, my answer is still never. We sold our -92 Golf not because it was worse than any other car but because we couldn't afford to repair it.
I’ll stick with my car until it becomes unreliable and I no longer have confidence in it
seems like i skipped 2 100k miles milestones and not got a single mot advisory at 239k miles... what is the point of getting a newer one? with the same engine and gearbox like 8 years ago... important is the car to do what you need to and be suitable for your use...
You had cars in the 80's ! You're older than you look
How do I reduce road and tire noise?
Tyre selection makes a big difference check the DB rating when you buy. You could wrap sound deadening around the insides of the wheel well and inside the car under the carpet. Suspension is the next area, rubber bushings will dampen quite a bit of NVH.
Keeping my car because it’s got less than 18,000 miles on it and almost 6 years old
Everyone has their own reasons to change their car. Take all the reasons they are relevant.
There still seems to be a stigma when car reaches 100k the value drops a lot more, is this still true?
Yes it still applies, although not so much on diesel engines, the mileage of dread on those in peoples minds is around 150,000. For some people they would avoid a petrol engine car at 70,000 miles. Like I'm always saying though, it is not the mileage but how it's looked after that makes a difference to reliability.
@ ah thanks, I have 90k on my v40 D4 so I’m ok for a while longer as I love this car I’ve had 8 yrs . Great channel keep going 😀
I drive a 2012 focus 2.0l diesel. My car will become a collectable car in the future, when the scrap man collects it. Ha ha. Net Zero, my arm.. Oops spelling mistake.
my old volvo has 350 000km and it takes me where I want, nowdays it woulde be 3 new cars with 100 000km each, old cars are made to last, not new cars with lifetime 100 000km😂😂😂