These cats jam in ways I can't even imagine. Complete masters of their instruments and their music. And Maddy sings notes that don't even exist. This is big talent.
My favorite version of this song. From Parcel of Rogues, to other live versions, this one rocks out. Love Maddy's dancing as well. I first found the group when I found a cut out of Rocket Cottage in 1976. I was hooked. Still am. Amazing music over the decades.
Maddy - so unbelievably talented. Her voice is as beautiful as ever and band so great! Wish they would perform in California. I would love to see them in concert. Have been listening to their music for decades since I was very young and heard "Lovely on the Water." This band is been going strong for so many decades because of their immense talent. Maddy's vocals, stage presence and dancing is lovely!
I’ve loved Steeleye Span since the 60s. In the early 70’s, as part of the Folklore Society I brought them to Penn State. Tim Woods, Nigel Pegrum, Ashley Hutchings, and especially Maddy Prior and the others were delightful people and fantastic musicians. To take ancient music from the first century through medieval times and adapt it musically to the present with electrified instruments and recognizable time signatures brought the past to present. From sacred to bawdy Steeleye Span nails it!!
I understood every word perfectly, I learnt to speak English listening to this, great Jacobite song. Cam ye o'er frae[a] France? Cam ye down by Lunnon?[b] Saw ye Geordie Whelps[c] and his bonny woman? Were ye at the place called the Kittle Housie?[d] Saw ye Geordie's grace riding on a goosie?[e] Geordie, he's a man there is little doubt o't;[f] He's done a' he can, wha can do without it? Down there came a blade linkin' like my lordie; He wad drive a trade at the loom o' Geordie. Though the claith were bad, blythly may we niffer; Gin we get a wab, it makes little differ. We hae tint our plaid, bannet, belt and swordie, Ha's and mailins braid-but we hae a Geordie! Jocky's gane to France and Montgomery's lady; There they'll learn to dance: Madam, are ye ready? They'll be back belyve belted, brisk and lordly; Brawly may they thrive to dance a jig wi' Geordie! Hey for Sandy Don! Hey for Cockolorum! Hey for Bobbing John and his Highland Quorum! Mony a sword and lance swings at Highland hurdie; How they'll skip and dance o'er the bum o' Geordieh±
"Geordie" is Scot for George. The Scots named the English living along the borderlands "Geordies" after the Hanoverian Kings they fought during the Jacobite rebellions.
Maddy & the drummer don't seem to age in looks! Maddy's dyed blonde hair looks good. I was expecting her to look much much older in this video, & I'm also surprised how unchanged her voice is from her 1970's recordings!!! Impressive!
I am- not admitting the English part- but, it's there, generations ago. And what happened on Culloden still makes me tear up. We were exiles, moving to the north of Holland, fled Scotland after the Hugenot persecution- then fled to the north of Ireland to escape again. That is how my family ended up in America! Or so goe the geneology records of the churches we fled. Good luck to you! Best to you-
Cam ye o'er frae France? Cam ye down by Lunnon? Saw ye Geordie Whelps and his bonny woman? Were ye at the place ca'd the Kittle Housie? Saw ye Geordie's grace riding on a goosie? Geordie, he's a man there is little doubt o't; He's done a' he can, wha can do without it? Down there came a blade linkin' like my lordie; He wad drive a trade at the loom o' Geordie. Though the claith were bad, blythly may we niffer; Gin we get a wab, it makes little differ. We hae tint our plaid, bannet, belt and swordie, Ha's and mailins braid-but we hae a Geordie! Jocky's gane to France and Montgomery's lady; There they'll learn to dance: Madam, are ye ready? They'll be back belyve belted, brisk and lordly; Brawly may they thrive to dance a jig wi' Geordie! Hey for Sandy Don! Hey for Cockolorum! Hey for Bobbing John and his Highland Quorum! Mony a sword and lance swings at Highland hurdie; How they'll skip and dance o'er the bum o' Geordie!
Except maybe for the modern trash they have the cheek to call music is there anything that Maddy and the group cant handle' Span are truly a gold plated group
I love this band... My ancestors came to England in 1066. They had to leave what is now Ireland for Virginia during the Elizabethan Invasion. We still know that roast beef needs Yorkshire Pudding. We keep the life alive. And, I still do not know if I am Anglican or Catholic... shame on me.
Background: The Jacobite Resistance to the English conquering of Scotland. In particular t was about the Stuart family (Jacobite comes James as Jacobus in Latin) A number of English were supposed to join with Scots but were, apparently bought out by the King`s money.
It's a Jacobite political mocking song making fun of the new king in Britain in the 18thC. He came from Germany and brought a fair amount of scandal with him. He'd left his wife locked up in a tower in Germany and brought his mistress, who was nicknamed "Goosie". Jacobites were supporters of the Stuart dynasty who'd reigned since Elizabeth 1st died. There was plenty support for the Jacobite cause throughout Britain and not just Scotland. At the core of it was religion and the desire to prevent a Roman Catholic on the throne of Britain, hence the import from Germany of a distant relative rather than next in line to Queen Anne. Even Scotland was divided over the issue with much of the lowland protestant and opposed to the Jacobites. Highlanders supported it, but more for the reason that they believed the throne had, in principle, been usurped rather than a desire for one religious faction or the other. Anyway, it ended badly for the Jacobites. However they did give us some great songs
The 15 Rebellion was completely different from the 45 in that it was quite a popular uprising not just in Scotland but in northern England too. The song is encouraging James the Old Pretender to come across and be with the rebels. Presumably if written at the time it was before their defeat at Sherrifmuir. By the time James actually came it was all over. Unlike the 45 when his son arrived with only a few supporters and actively drummed up largely unwilling supporters. Had Charles been around
@heliotropezzz333 1745. In the BBC´s "Battlefield Britain" series there was a docu about Culloden that still makes me shudder all these years later - and I´m not even Scot or English.
@heliotropezzz333 - two kings. "Come over from France" was an appeal to Bonnie Prince Charlach, the pun about "Geordie´s whelps" was about the followers of a German on the English throne who had, in the eyes of Scots, no right to rule them.
Sorry should read west through Jedburgh!! An interesting aside seemingly whilst crossing the Tweed at Kelso many of the Highlanders in the ranks were very reluctant to cross. Lord George Murray had to make a big thing of going across himself to get them to follow. It seems unlikely that they would be scared of the water so the feeling is that they were unsure about entering England. Of course they were nowhere near the English border but they paerhaps beleived the river was the border.
@Pitfossil Thanks for the info. I was wrong about George IV. That was too late I think, and it would have been George I or II who was being referred to..
The song, Borgduck. The band is English, but they perform songs from all over the British Isles. I think Maggie Pryor is one of the best singers we've got...in any field!
Hello dudiepops, can I ask, is this whole concert available either to buy or download? Our family are massive SS fans and I'm forever referencing these vids but have no idea if the whole concert is available? x
@elephantbarbiegirl I think it's about George IV of England - about him and his dissolute life and is from a Jacobite point of view. Jacobites were supporters of James II and his descendants whom they regarded as the true Kings of England. James II was dethroned for being a Catholic King, but his descendants had support of the Scots. The Jacobite claim to the throne was eventually defeated and the Scottish Jacobites paid a terrible price. This song is in Scottish dialect.
First thank you replying to what I had said and yes I to still love her voice, but at my age 57 when you hear something you had not listen to for a very long time is it faster or is it that age thing that my childen tell me I have. Steeleye span in a round about why help me get my PHD as they always gave a lotbof info on the LP which seems to not be on cds. (yes I do wear glasses)
@elephantbarbiegirl I've listened to a few versions on youtube and sadly nobody seems to articulate the words very clearly. The Corries version is probably the clearest on youtube. We used to have an album by the Johnstones, years ago, and it was a very clear version but it's not on youtube.
the combined force marched by way of Cumbria to be defeated at Preston. about 34% of the Jacobite prisoners were English. In the 45 when they left Edinburgh the Jacobite army split in two. One half veered over to the west towards Carlisle whilst the half led by the Prince went by way of Kelso. But that was only to make it look like they were heading for Newcastle! After Kelso they headed east through Jedburgh, met up with the rest of the force, and headed for Carlisle. Nowhere near Newcastle!
Dont know if you are interested or indeed already know, but if you google the title you will come across some fairly erudite attempts at putting the words into an historical context. Really interesting stuff
This is a bawdy Jacobite mocking song about when our Bonnie Prince Charlie fled to france to raise money for the Jacobite cause, he took up residence in a brothel, kittle housie. This song describes the whole saga. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_Ye_O%27er_Frae_France Cam ye o'er frae: came you over from Lunnon: London Geordie Whelps: diminutive of George I. Whelp an ill-bred child. Guelph: a political faction to which the House of Hanover belonged. kittle housie: tickle house (brothel)[3] goosie: diminutive of goose; nickname for the King's mistress Melusine von der Schulenburg, Duchess of Kendal, (at the kittle housie saw Geordie Whelps a riding on the goosie, means...um well...just use your imagination THE REST IS HISTORY!
Gorgeous piece. Is the violin/fiddle in need of maintenance? The microphone? Maybe the performer was nervous. The sound jerked abruptly back and forth from very loud to barely audible. Update: re-listening, the worst was at the beginning so probably nervousness. I know part of it was the style, but it was quite clumsy at first. Violin strings need oil maybe
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These cats jam in ways I can't even imagine. Complete masters of their instruments and their music. And Maddy sings notes that don't even exist. This is big talent.
Maddy is unique and has a once in a lifetime voice. Very few will ever match her. Simply stunning.
Maddy has a most amazing voice! Loving' the arrangement too.
Peter Knight is exceptional on this, as is Maddy's singing & dancing.
Steeleye span for me our the best british folk band in the youth and even now!!!
My favorite version of this song. From Parcel of Rogues, to other live versions, this one rocks out. Love Maddy's dancing as well. I first found the group when I found a cut out of Rocket Cottage in 1976. I was hooked. Still am. Amazing music over the decades.
Maddy - so unbelievably talented. Her voice is as beautiful as ever and band so great!
Wish they would perform in California. I would love to see them in concert. Have been listening to their music for decades since I was very young and heard "Lovely on the Water."
This band is been going strong for so many decades because of their immense talent.
Maddy's vocals, stage presence and dancing is lovely!
long live celtic music , from the western isles of scotland to bretangne ( brittany france ) the legends lives on !.
Loved Steeleye since the mid seventies and think its wonderful that they sound so good today--- Maddy especially
Saw steeleye span at the garden in the morning 80s with fairport convention and renaissance.talk about a dream line up.
Really love Maddy Prior's voice and singing ... this is a very good song for hearing the way she sings.
What a fine performance! Awesome.
I'm glad to see SS is still producing good folk music after so many years.
bravi da sempre per sempre....
Maddy la tua voce fa sempre venire i brividi.. 🥰🥰
I’ve loved Steeleye Span since the 60s. In the early 70’s, as part of the Folklore Society I brought them to Penn State. Tim Woods, Nigel Pegrum, Ashley Hutchings, and especially Maddy Prior and the others were delightful people and fantastic musicians. To take ancient music from the first century through medieval times and adapt it musically to the present with electrified instruments and recognizable time signatures brought the past to present. From sacred to bawdy Steeleye Span nails it!!
I cry when I listen to Maddy singing that way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I understood every word perfectly, I learnt to speak English listening to this, great Jacobite song.
Cam ye o'er frae[a] France? Cam ye down by Lunnon?[b]
Saw ye Geordie Whelps[c] and his bonny woman?
Were ye at the place called the Kittle Housie?[d]
Saw ye Geordie's grace riding on a goosie?[e]
Geordie, he's a man there is little doubt o't;[f]
He's done a' he can, wha can do without it?
Down there came a blade linkin' like my lordie;
He wad drive a trade at the loom o' Geordie.
Though the claith were bad, blythly may we niffer;
Gin we get a wab, it makes little differ.
We hae tint our plaid, bannet, belt and swordie,
Ha's and mailins braid-but we hae a Geordie!
Jocky's gane to France and Montgomery's lady;
There they'll learn to dance: Madam, are ye ready?
They'll be back belyve belted, brisk and lordly;
Brawly may they thrive to dance a jig wi' Geordie!
Hey for Sandy Don! Hey for Cockolorum!
Hey for Bobbing John and his Highland Quorum!
Mony a sword and lance swings at Highland hurdie;
How they'll skip and dance o'er the bum o' Geordieh±
It’s not written in English it is written in Scots
what is this story about> from a kalifornian colonial?
Its a Jacobite song , Bonnie Prince Charlie and all that , satirising the opposition :en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_Ye_o%27er_frae_France
This song blew my mind when I was 18 and it still blows my mind many years later
Excellent version of this piece. Maddy's voice is better than ever. I also like when they go into the Tam Lin reel at the end of this.
they brought traditional folk music to the masses and made it popular. Gret band fronted by such a talented vocalist in Maddy Prior
Liam is an amazing talent. Every note is bang on.
Incredible Voice and best arrangement for this traditional folk song !
Love seeing Maddie and the band live - I shall take my little granddaughter to see them soon. She loves to see Maddie's swirly skirts.
Wow...that's amazing vocal control. I love it.
Disappointed not to have heard this on the recent tour but not to worry this video is brilliant
Maddy is pure class
"Geordie" is Scot for George. The Scots named the English living along the borderlands "Geordies" after the Hanoverian Kings they fought during the Jacobite rebellions.
Thank you! I am a descendant of both the Scots (Barr),and the
North Western Europeans. As well as the French.
Maddy & the drummer don't seem to age in looks! Maddy's dyed blonde hair looks good. I was expecting her to look much much older in this video, & I'm also surprised how unchanged her voice is from her 1970's recordings!!! Impressive!
+Smudgefizz She could use a stylist--her clothes are awful
I think she looks lovely
I also think she looks lovely.
Chock full of milfy goodness.
I am- not admitting the English part- but, it's there, generations ago. And what happened on Culloden still makes me tear up. We were exiles, moving to the north of Holland, fled Scotland after the Hugenot persecution- then fled to the north of Ireland to escape again. That is how my family ended up in America! Or so goe the geneology records of the churches we fled. Good luck to you!
Best to you-
Cam ye o'er frae France? Cam ye down by Lunnon?
Saw ye Geordie Whelps and his bonny woman?
Were ye at the place ca'd the Kittle Housie?
Saw ye Geordie's grace riding on a goosie?
Geordie, he's a man there is little doubt o't;
He's done a' he can, wha can do without it?
Down there came a blade linkin' like my lordie;
He wad drive a trade at the loom o' Geordie.
Though the claith were bad, blythly may we niffer;
Gin we get a wab, it makes little differ.
We hae tint our plaid, bannet, belt and swordie,
Ha's and mailins braid-but we hae a Geordie!
Jocky's gane to France and Montgomery's lady;
There they'll learn to dance: Madam, are ye ready?
They'll be back belyve belted, brisk and lordly;
Brawly may they thrive to dance a jig wi' Geordie!
Hey for Sandy Don! Hey for Cockolorum!
Hey for Bobbing John and his Highland Quorum!
Mony a sword and lance swings at Highland hurdie;
How they'll skip and dance o'er the bum o' Geordie!
bickerandrue -- Glad to hear that. Saw them in concert once, at least 10 years ago but not more than 15.
Simply fantastic!!!
Wow! Musicians what a concept!
Except maybe for the modern trash they have the cheek to call music is there anything that Maddy and the group cant handle' Span are truly a gold plated group
Seems like a terribly difficult song to sing but Maddie nails it!
❤An old school folk masterpiece ❤.
Maddy only could sing this song. Love you Maddy.
I love this band... My ancestors came to England in 1066. They had to leave what is now Ireland for Virginia during the Elizabethan Invasion. We still know that roast beef needs Yorkshire Pudding. We keep the life alive. And, I still do not know if I am Anglican or Catholic... shame on me.
+Carl Stenholm So did my husband's family................they have roots in Suffolk but from Brittany originally.
what do you mean "what is now Ireland"?
Stephen Hill I assume he means that wherever in Ireland they were wasn't Ireland at the time but is in Ireland now.
Sounds like how my granny speaks. Either way. Amazing.
Brilliant. I doubt you'll ever see a street performer try and cover this one ;)
What a lovely marriage between Ireland and Scotland How I love this****
Mi favorite steeleye song!
Amazing talent!!!
Besides being one of the greatest vocalists ever, Maddie Prior is the sexiest woman I've ever beheld!
You r sick
To be honest I don't understand anything of the lyrics, but this just sounds so good.
Background: The Jacobite Resistance to the English conquering of Scotland. In particular t was about the Stuart family (Jacobite comes James as Jacobus in Latin) A number of English were supposed to join with Scots but were, apparently bought out by the King`s money.
Listen to, also, "Parcel of rogues in a nation." from same l-p with a drum until near the end.
It's a Jacobite political mocking song making fun of the new king in Britain in the 18thC. He came from Germany and brought a fair amount of scandal with him. He'd left his wife locked up in a tower in Germany and brought his mistress, who was nicknamed "Goosie". Jacobites were supporters of the Stuart dynasty who'd reigned since Elizabeth 1st died. There was plenty support for the Jacobite cause throughout Britain and not just Scotland. At the core of it was religion and the desire to prevent a Roman Catholic on the throne of Britain, hence the import from Germany of a distant relative rather than next in line to Queen Anne. Even Scotland was divided over the issue with much of the lowland protestant and opposed to the Jacobites. Highlanders supported it, but more for the reason that they believed the throne had, in principle, been usurped rather than a desire for one religious faction or the other. Anyway, it ended badly for the Jacobites. However they did give us some great songs
English isn't my native language, I speak it very well, but non-deeply!
great seen them live twice AMAZING
While a desultory execution of the album track, Maddy Prior is Always a Marvel!!
perhaps something in between the two versions? th-cam.com/video/hKuzKuxbjwE/w-d-xo.html
She sounds better than ever.
I figured that, friend. I just couldnt understand it. Anyway a friend from Scotland sorted it out for me. I thank you for your help.
This is WHY one needs covers! Maddy Prior, Steeleye Span on "Cam Ye" and Jeff Buckley's "Hallelujah."
Seems perfectly straightforward ... loved Maddy in the early seventies, love he still.
"Steel" in wonderful shape!
LOVE it.
Excellent!! nice improv on the original version.
"is this a scottish rebel tune?"
Its a Jacobite song from 1715, so yes.
Workman-like job. Thank you.
It's Friday and I am thinking of how lucky you are!
BRAVO! BRAVO!
Ι love you Steeleye Span
Not at all - I just saw her on Electric Proms, she was as brilliant as ever....and why should she not get old...we all will
I love this music paul payton England ☺ x
Great track saw them 2015 great live, pity Peter has left.
Lucky to have seen them twice in Tasmania -- Peter and Maddy were awesome!
Steve Smith I'm going to see Maddy next week at a local gig in town,can't wait :)
this is just great or better said : more than great ..
Excellent!
The 15 Rebellion was completely different from the 45 in that it was quite a popular uprising not just in Scotland but in northern England too. The song is encouraging James the Old Pretender to come across and be with the rebels. Presumably if written at the time it was before their defeat at Sherrifmuir. By the time James actually came it was all over. Unlike the 45 when his son arrived with only a few supporters and actively drummed up largely unwilling supporters. Had Charles been around
@heliotropezzz333 thanks for this! I can hear the odd name and bits and pieces but it didn;t make much sense to me. Now I understand it better
@heliotropezzz333 1745. In the BBC´s "Battlefield Britain" series there was a docu about Culloden that still makes me shudder all these years later - and I´m not even Scot or English.
Thanx.
@heliotropezzz333 - two kings. "Come over from France" was an appeal to Bonnie Prince Charlach, the pun about "Geordie´s whelps" was about the followers of a German on the English throne who had, in the eyes of Scots, no right to rule them.
very well...................................................................................................................
Sorry should read west through Jedburgh!! An interesting aside seemingly whilst crossing the Tweed at Kelso many of the Highlanders in the ranks were very reluctant to cross. Lord George Murray had to make a big thing of going across himself to get them to follow. It seems unlikely that they would be scared of the water so the feeling is that they were unsure about entering England. Of course they were nowhere near the English border but they paerhaps beleived the river was the border.
Wow!
here in 2023. loving it.
@Pitfossil Thanks for the info. I was wrong about George IV. That was too late I think, and it would have been George I or II who was being referred to..
outstanding xxxxxx
The song, Borgduck. The band is English, but they perform songs from all over the British Isles. I think Maggie Pryor is one of the best singers we've got...in any field!
MADDIE is her first name!!!
I was in a band in 1974 that played this song and freaked some folks!
wow
@nanettejtolbert they did tend to sing some of there songs faster at live concerts than on record
Hello dudiepops, can I ask, is this whole concert available either to buy or download? Our family are massive SS fans and I'm forever referencing these vids but have no idea if the whole concert is available? x
+ Jen Bailey - If you are still looking for this : Steeleye Span: The 35th Anniversary World Tour 2004 [DVD] - 2007 ☺
I love the energy in this song but....I imagine horses galloping over the countryside......but what is it about?
I love you Maddy.
@elephantbarbiegirl I think it's about George IV of England - about him and his dissolute life and is from a Jacobite point of view. Jacobites were supporters of James II and his descendants whom they regarded as the true Kings of England. James II was dethroned for being a Catholic King, but his descendants had support of the Scots. The Jacobite claim to the throne was eventually defeated and the Scottish Jacobites paid a terrible price. This song is in Scottish dialect.
I admit Im a Yank and have trouble sometimes with slang for the UK, but damn. lol what the hell is she singing? I like it never the less.
really great and dynamic (tho I slightly miss the powerful sub-bass? long notes from the record).
Hey for the Bonnie Prince! Hey for Stuarts!
That'll be Hey for Prince Rupprecht of Bavaria then, the current Jacobite pretender to the thrones of England, Scotland, Ireland and France.
lice this!
Ye Jacobites my name is another song from this historical period.
"Frae" just means "from" in Scots.
First thank you replying to what I had said and yes I to still love her voice, but at my age 57 when you hear something you had not listen to for a very long time is it faster or is it that age thing that my childen tell me I have. Steeleye span in a round about why help me get my PHD as they always gave a lotbof info on the LP which seems to not be on cds. (yes I do wear glasses)
@elephantbarbiegirl I've listened to a few versions on youtube and sadly nobody seems to articulate the words very clearly. The Corries version is probably the clearest on youtube. We used to have an album by the Johnstones, years ago, and it was a very clear version but it's not on youtube.
As to maddy's intro to this song, I have a friend who lives in Brittany who learned to speak English listening to the Beatles.
the combined force marched by way of Cumbria to be defeated at Preston. about 34% of the Jacobite prisoners were English. In the 45 when they left Edinburgh the Jacobite army split in two. One half veered over to the west towards Carlisle whilst the half led by the Prince went by way of Kelso. But that was only to make it look like they were heading for Newcastle! After Kelso they headed east through Jedburgh, met up with the rest of the force, and headed for Carlisle. Nowhere near Newcastle!
Great ! What key is that sung in?
Dont know if you are interested or indeed already know, but if you google the title you will come across some fairly erudite attempts at putting the words into an historical context. Really interesting stuff
I'd *love* to meet that Italian, I could do with a good laugh!
+borgduck
Congratulations from Italy, lovely quidam de populo perfidae Albionis ...
PlebsTua *LOL!*
Thanks for learning from the best! You're a genius!
There's no reference to them in the song. "Geordie" is the name of a king, king George I.
they all yea great, crivens
This is a bawdy Jacobite mocking song about when our Bonnie Prince Charlie fled to france to raise money for the Jacobite cause, he took up residence in a brothel, kittle housie. This song describes the whole saga. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_Ye_O%27er_Frae_France
Cam ye o'er frae: came you over from
Lunnon: London
Geordie Whelps: diminutive of George I. Whelp an ill-bred child. Guelph: a political faction to which the House of Hanover belonged.
kittle housie: tickle house (brothel)[3]
goosie: diminutive of goose; nickname for the King's mistress Melusine von der Schulenburg, Duchess of Kendal, (at the kittle housie saw Geordie Whelps a riding on the goosie, means...um well...just use your imagination
THE REST IS HISTORY!
Gorgeous piece. Is the violin/fiddle in need of maintenance? The microphone? Maybe the performer was nervous. The sound jerked abruptly back and forth from very loud to barely audible. Update: re-listening, the worst was at the beginning so probably nervousness. I know part of it was the style, but it was quite clumsy at first. Violin strings need oil maybe
The Corries also do a great version of this.
Love it, even better than the Corries
I cannot even begin to compare the 2. Both are wonderful in their own way!