Chet isn’t in the same league as Wemby. Now he’s being game planned by people, he is getting low 10s in scoring. He gets bodied and pushed around. He will get better, but right now? No.
Y’all can’t be this dumb.. he literally just explained the difference of pressure they’re under. Being the 1 pick vs playing a championship is not the same you 🤡s
The Chet argument for ROTY was never even an argument in my book. He's 2 years older than Wemby and is from Paolo Banchero's draft class. If he's gonna get ROTY, he shouldn't even be in a discussion with someone 2 years younger than him. The fact Chet even has to make a case against Wemby tells me he's not the best rookie. That's like being held back 2 years in school and being neck and neck with the smartest kid in your new class. That doesn't merit an award.
Yes it does otherwise why talk nba chet and wemby is basicly the same it don't take away from one it don't add to the other. If u wana discuss team effort that's diff
Starting off by saying Wemby is my favorite and I'm not a big chet fan. With that being said, the Chet not deserving it because he got drafted the year before is BS. Did he get some advantages off it? Yes, but it doesn't discredit the fact that he's a rookie and he's eligible for the award.
Why does no one talk about victors passing. The turnovers have to improve but if you watch the game his iq, court vision, and playmaking ability are top 5 amongst centers right now.
Luka Doncic current stats (1st in scoring) (1st in low post defense) (2nd on three points made) (3rd in assist) (7th in steals) (18th in rebounds) If the Mavericks can finish top 4 in the West then he should finish top 3 in the MVP race with a chance to win it
The stretch they got to the all star performance is statistically easy. Anyway, in my opinion If you are the reason your team isn't the 15th team, but instead 8th with a close call of being a lot higher up, I think you have a clear cut Most valuable player. To me it isn't the MVP of a good team, which it sounds like a lot.@@stocksguy4565
"If Chet was the 1st option he would be better than Wemby" 😂 I don't understand people who make that excuse. It's literally harder to perform in a team as bad as the Spurs. Wemby at OKC would have more interesting stats. On the other hand, I'm not sure that Chet would perform as well with the Spurs....... There's no point in comparing them because the gap is so huge. Chet is a great player, while Wemby could become a legend.
Richard Jefferson doesn't understand the pressure Victor is under because he's never been a franchise player. But he's been a 2nd/3rd option on good teams like Chet is right now, that's why he can relate to him a lot better. Being the top dog and performing takes a special kind of people, especially when you're a rookie discovering the league.
I don't get how RJ can say Chet has more pressure. Opponents are going at Wemby's throat and I don't see them playing Chet like that. All I see from Chet is wide open 3's or a pump fake and drive. His teammates make the game so much easier for him. There's no pressure for him to score because his teammates can put up big numbers. He is free to just stand on the 3pt line and wait for a kick.
@Langustaaa Wemby is smart enough to his team doesn't even have a chance to make the playoffs. Wemby pressure is him trying to be ROTY. There's a difference between him and chet!
@@erich3784first off, you’re an idiot. He literally explained the difference of pressure they’re under. Wemby is the #1 option on a shitty team. The ball moves through him, ofc he’s gonna get his numbers if he’s first priority. Chet is playing on a team with actual aspirations and gets similar numbers as the second and third option, playing against teams with the same mentality as them
Chet started folding the moment Wemby starred him down in their last game vs each other. Wemby hunted him and Chet would not even look Wemby in the eye. That was a predator and prey moment.
@@adingdingdiiing6740he did something historic in dropping the 3rd most points in a game, hes aldo the leagues leading scorer, is number 7 in steals, is almost averia triple double but unlike Westbrook he is averaging 49% from the field, he is doing everything better than any guy on that list and his team had had the most injuries of any players team on that list.
@@AP90x i get you, but that's not the point. He'll be the scoring champ for sure. But if the Mavs don't climb to at least the 4th spot, he won't be in the running. It's all about the narratives with media votes like the MVP
@@jackjohnson8244 And on a 5 game streak, so let's see how much they rise. We all know that the media hate Luka, just look at the different coverage of Embiid's 70 (praised as a legendary performance) and Luka's 73 (uniformly blamed the defence).
He's a terrible defender in spite of some improvement on that end this year. I'd put him him in the bottom 10% of defenders in the league. Hard to win an MVP is you aren't at least a net neutral defensively. Jokic is a slightly above average defender, Shai and Giannis are excellent defenders. That end of the floor counts too.
As a Suns fan, this starting to gets really weird. Mavs just blown out the Thunder with NEW lineup and they didn’t even have ANY segment about it. I’m starting to warm up to Luka over the time and looking back I realize no one gave him his credits Embiid scored 70 The praised were booming, when Luka scored 73 with much less freethrows it became a problem etc, sometimes this just doesn’t feels right Edit: sorry about the rants,I just have to get this out of my chest
8th seed is kind of misleading since the caliber of the west is crazy and all of the top 9 teams are pretty closely clustered together. It's high variance and we can see that with the standings shifting pretty frequently. Mavs only have 5 less wins than the thunder and Luka's had one of the most injured teams this season@@ClodnerPierre1
No but he has to be above 0.500 to win the ROTY. Like 65 game rule, 0.500 winrate rule should be brought for every NBA award. It's so stupid to give awards to players who lose.
@@berryesseenthis is the dumbest statement I've read here. It's Rookie of the year. The worst teams get the best picks in the draft. Rookies are allowed to make mistakes, it's normal. They have to adapt and learn the game. An individual award has nothing to do with team success. The only exception is MVP, because you expect the best player contribute to winning. That doesn't make sense with rookies..
@@Swerv_TBZ exactly. It should be fixed. The league is giving wrong players ROY for years. There is only way to measure success in basketball and it is the number of wins. If you play 20+ minutes every game and your team is above 0.500, then you are a good player. Otherwise, you aren't so good. Farming stats while being at the bottom of the league doesn't mean anything. Wembanyama's stats don't translate to anything important. He can keep blocking the whole league, it doesn't matter if the result is a loss.
The Giannis blackball needs to be studied ever since 2020 the media has been against him winning an MVP he is basically in the Lebron category were u are so good every year that u can’t get an MVP
@@kurtishair24 SGA got completely outclassed by Luka last night. SGA has never scored a statline of what Luka AVERAGES this seasson, they are 2 completely different classes.
Wemby is under way more pressure for years since he was a very young prospect in France, but more in particular more recently on the draft and preseason. The media were barely speaking about Chet Holgrem until the season started. All the spotlights were on Wemby.
Giannis and Luke better than Shai and Donovan Mitchell!! Brian is still salty because Giannis signed with the Bucks while he was going on for months on how he would leave the Bucks…
And they are still a play in team as it stands right now... Everyone losses games in an 82 game season. The Bucks just blew the door off Denver last night and Giannis dominated the head to head against Jokic but they don't have him number one based on that game do they? That's not how it works. Luka might be your favorite player but the truth is his numbers are not leading to wins. They are a play in team right now. You are not going to win the MVP playing on a team seeded 8th.
@@trainerrob1622 They're a game away from the 5th seed, and we have had an MVP winner on a 6th seed not long ago, his stats and his play should be taken into account, he has been playing on a hurt team all year too
@@trainerrob1622Giannis stats offensively are on the same level as Jokic (except assists) but Giannis is so much better defender than Jokic and Giannis is top 3 seed in east like Jokic. The gap should not be that big at all
@@trainerrob1622They’re one game away from the 5th seed, dude. And now they’re finally getting healthy and on a winning streak. Do you even watch the games or have any idea how many injuries they’ve had?
Richard Jefferson. When teams make up scouting reports for OKC and Spurs, the main focus is on Shai and Wemby. Chet would not handle the amount of double teams Wemby gets.
Jokic's playoff run was so completely dominant and so recent, and so many voters regretted not giving him MVP last year, that he's going to have huge sympathy among voters this time around. Playoff stuff shouldn't influence MVP votes but of course it does. Jokic didn't get it last year because he didn't have a chip. Another factor working against Giannis is that he scores almost exclusively at the rim and isn't viewed as an especially skilled offensive player. Most analysts now view Jokic as one of the 2 or 3 most skilled offensive bigs ever. Fair or not, those are tough obstacles for Giannis to overcome.
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby I think he means Wemby has to be stat padding in a historic way just in order for people in the media to finally say Wemby is leading ROTY.
@@MarquisVegan ah, I see. I don’t know. I watch both of them play, I think Wemby has a lot higher ceiling. It’s not just about stats. He dominates his matchups but gets a lot less opportunities in the plays to even compile stats. I think Pop is also trying to develop sochan to get him to develop into a star he can pair with w we Wemby. Pop is less concerned about Wemby because he’s already good. They’re tanking while developing other talents for the future. OKC is actually trying to win. People don’t talk about these things. Most posts you see on here are, ppg ppg ppg!!!
WHY DO WE GIVE GUYS LIKE HIM VOTES... GIANNIS NOT EVEN IN TOP 5 AT LEAST??? THIS IS DISGUSTING AND THE MEDIA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES THE WAY THEY HAVE TAKEN GIANNIS OUT OF MVP TALKS FOR 4 YEARS NOW
Then why didn't Shawn Bradley, Rik Smits, Manute Bol, George Murezhan, Kristaps, even Yao dominate as much as Victor does? I'd like a logical explanation to that.
@@erich3784 one because they aren't as talented and two because they aren't as tall as him. I didn't make the argument. I'm telling you what RJ was going to bring up
But both of them (especially SGA) are good on defense as well. Even though offense is really important (even more nowadays), you still need good defenders.
Luka is only the 5th best player statistically. Look it up. Stats don't lie. It's Embiid #1 and Jokic #2. However, Embiid is disqualified from MVP - too many missed games.
That narrative is long gone, he has improved his defense a lot and as has been stated leader on steals and is a great iso defender. He does look like he lets things get past him from time to time, but when he thinks he can do an impact he does. @@cedricasdfghjkl9151
The Giannis hate is real guys the media does not want to give it to him at all .he has to be one of the most consistent performers in the league besides Joker.
@Raul1088 . The mavs with Luka struggled. They were the 4th seed last year and missed the playoffs with kyrie. The thunder without chet last year, at least made the play in and won a game.
@@morgan2552tbro are u really that casual? Being young dont equate being worse! On the contrary they have the best young core in the nba. All of them ball
@joem7462 . Bro, being young also does it equate to being good. The spurs, trailblazers, also have a young team. Luka has more of the same team when he was in the wcf.
Porzingis got traded because he was incredibly injury prone. Brunson left because his dad was in New York and it had nothing to do with Luka. Free agents haven’t been coming to Dallas since the Dirk era.
@@stannistargaryenbros 2 years older and people still give him roty over a younger player putting up better numbers than him because “he plays a significant role on a better team”
Relax. Windhorst was the leading Jokic basher/ignorer for years. He was once asked by a colleague on his hoops collective podcast if he ever talked about the Nuggets. His answer was, without irony, 'no.' It's only since Jokic's dominant playoff run last summer that Windhorst is now a Jokic guy. He's been an Embiid lackey for years.
I don’t even think Jokic has had a better year than giannis 31,11,6 61fg% vs 26,12,9 58fg%. Idk y there is a big gap at all, giannis should be neck and neck with sga and jokic
Nuggets are worse without Jokic off the floor than the bucks are with Giannis off it. Just how it goes.And every voter coulda had Jokic only slightly above the other 2, but only 1 can get the first place vote.
What Richard was going to say was something about Victor being taller than everybody else because when Wilt Chamberlain played they said that he was playing with regular size men. So basically Richard was going to downplay his achievements because he's 7 ft 4
Have Victor and Chet switch teams and the Thunder would clear and away have THE best record in the League. Chet would not be putting up Wemby numbers on the Spurs, and Wemby can do any and evertything Chet is asked to do..and then some. It's not even close
Chet would have much better numbers on the Spurs because someone has to get stats, even on a horrible team. Putting up stats on a top tier team is more impressive.
@Paulafan5 yea he woul probably be between 15-20 as well, but he's not going to have the defensive impact of wemby and their record wouldnt be any different, if not worse
@@Paulafan5go watch the games, Wemby gets double/triple teamed "CONSISTENTLY" because opposing teams scheme to stop him. And yet he puts up great stats ! Chet gets open looks because OKC got Shai & Jalen William, Chet is not comparable to Wemby in no way. It's not even close, this is American bias been pushed to prop up Chets case for ROY when he's not even a rookie.
Stopping wemby are teams main focus, while the thunder have teams planning against stopping SGA. All Chet really has to do is knock down his open shots and make some plays on defense. I don’t really get RJs argument, it’s no way near neck and neck.
Some respect is given and some respect is earned but why is the media and other voters acting like Gianni’s dropped off. Giannis is still in his prime averaging superstar numbers and being the best player on his team with no doubt in that regard and the Milwaukee Bucks having one of the best record in their conference. From a non biased perspective Jokic is a top tier guy at his position but still a lack on the defensive side compared to Giannis. If NBA fans and media want to give Jokic respect for doing things other bigs are not then the votes are well placed but to at least not have a guy they called and are still arguably calling the best player in the world not just a while ago in the second place position in voting is just blasphemy. Tell me I’m wrong …
Really glad to see Jefferson airplane he was a great player so now about wemby he's always a kid and each game is a lesson for him but he's on good path to become dominant and unstoppable players and in few years he'll an albatros above nba's areas
I don't get it. It is said that Robinson was drafted in 1987 and that he was the last to have 10 blocks triple double as rookie in 1990? Was he a rookie for 3 years?
No. A player being drafted on a particular year doesn't mean he's playing on the same year. The Admiral served in the military for a few years after he was drafted and that's why he was already 27(?) years old when he finally started playing. Same with Manu Ginobili, he was played a few years later after being drafted because he was playing overseas.
@@Paulafan5what? okc wins even if chet has a mediocre night or an off night, if wemby has an off night the spurs will get blown by 20 not 10pts. And tongive me those arguements that wemby is producing empty stats, most of the time spurs are leading if wby is on the floor and they always lose their lead if he goes to the bench.
Chet isnt under any pressures😂 he can go out there and score 4pts on a 1-9 night and his team still wins. If wemby ever has a game when he score just 4pts on basically 10% the spurs will lose by 70. Chet has not pressure SGA and JDub do
RJ's wilt point is probably to dismiss wembys blocks dunks and stats as him being too tall for the game so its like a given, like the narrative of how wilt was playing against plumbers a foot shorter. But this is like saying Usain Bolts legs are too long since he 6'5 so its not greatness. Basketball is a physical sport man, if you got the god given tools and use them right you deserve to be the best.
It’s pretty much going to come down to seeding on who will win MVP. If the Nuggets get a top 3 seed it will be hard to not give Jokic another MVP but if Luka leads the Mavs to a top 5 seed or SGA leads the Thunder to a top 2 seed they both will have a deserving case over him.
@@nicholaskatsikas4904Giannis look at his stats and his defense he plays both sides of the ball and his team record is the same as okc or nuggets pretty much. Yet he’s so far down than shai and Jokic lmao 🤣
They stay trying to give Jokic MVPs. Every year he has won it, including this year if he does, he wasnt the MVP and shouldn't have won it. And the year he didn't, he should have 😂😂😂
Am i crazy for thinking Ant is getting slept on in these conversations? He's not my top MVP guy, but he's putting up 26/5/5 leading the #1 team in the West (which is loaded). I just never hear his name pop up, and don't watch too much T-Wolves, but feel like he should be at least mentioned with guys like Kawhi, Luka and Shai.
We need to protect Wemby from this Malika character. The minute he wakes up on the wrong side of he bed ,she's gonna pull up his grades in primary school. Every girl he dated. Every time he looked at somebody the wrong way and every cookie he took out of the cookie jar when his mom wasn't looking.
Wemby came to a team with a bunch of young guys in a rebuild year, they didnt get back a young star or 7 picks when Kawhi asked out. Clips GM said he would move heaven and earth to get Kawhi from Spurs. But he didn't move heaven and earth for Kawhi. He moved heaven and earth for Paul George. Spurs probably about two drafts away and a big fa from all the games being important and Wemby growing his man body.
@@DeeRG i'm just saying it is stupid. I've been following NBA since early 90's. You have regular season MVP and finals MVP. Making team success as a metric for Most Valuable Player in the regular season is a bit off
K leonard been off for 3 to 4 years so its not hard to believe that he is having a great shooting average from the field. People voting him for M.V.P is wild
I have to be honest. Why does some American presenters have so much hate over foreign athletes? It is strange to me when someone tries so hard to deny the facts in front of his face. SA is in a rebuild mode, while OKC is a playoff team with high probabilities to go into the West Finals. Wemby is by far the best rookie this year. Kid is 20 years old and is getting better daily. He will dominate this game for years to come. Indeed, he needs to get stronger and amplify his read of the game, without rushing and exercising patience.
Tatum isn’t that guy and I’m tired of the narrative being pushed that he is. Hes never gonna be be the face of the league Antman will just let it go ESPN
Someone please tell me how Nikola Jokic is having such an amazing season? It's the same season he's had for 4 years in a row basically. I love jokic, but he should not be MVP this year. It should be Luka/Shai
@@youngcity4241 like jokic first 2 MVPs came in the same exact fashion as the season Luka is having this year. EXCEPT Lukas only talented ball player has been injured most of the year and his numbers are basically better just not as efficient. Do they hate Luka cuz he whines? Idk. He's the only reason why I'm optimistic about basketball life after LeBron/Curry/Durant
It's pretty simple actually. Denver is awful whenever jokic is not on the floor. I'm sure you don't watch Denver games so the box score watching that you do is understandably confusing
Chet isn't under pressure, SGA is. I just don't get the Wemby hate. The kid is so fun to watch.
Because Chet is American hence the push. Had Wemby been American there won't even be a debate about who is ROTY.
Not to mention Chet is 2 years older than Wemby.
Chet isn’t in the same league as Wemby. Now he’s being game planned by people, he is getting low 10s in scoring. He gets bodied and pushed around. He will get better, but right now? No.
Y’all can’t be this dumb.. he literally just explained the difference of pressure they’re under. Being the 1 pick vs playing a championship is not the same you 🤡s
Richard trying too hard to keep chet relevant in the ROTY race... His arguments are getting worse and worse though...
The Chet argument for ROTY was never even an argument in my book. He's 2 years older than Wemby and is from Paolo Banchero's draft class. If he's gonna get ROTY, he shouldn't even be in a discussion with someone 2 years younger than him. The fact Chet even has to make a case against Wemby tells me he's not the best rookie. That's like being held back 2 years in school and being neck and neck with the smartest kid in your new class. That doesn't merit an award.
Yes it does otherwise why talk nba chet and wemby is basicly the same it don't take away from one it don't add to the other. If u wana discuss team effort that's diff
Facts couldn't have said it better since when do dumbasses get rewarded for failing the first time at an award...this reminds me of van wilder 😅
Starting off by saying Wemby is my favorite and I'm not a big chet fan. With that being said, the Chet not deserving it because he got drafted the year before is BS. Did he get some advantages off it? Yes, but it doesn't discredit the fact that he's a rookie and he's eligible for the award.
Why does no one talk about victors passing. The turnovers have to improve but if you watch the game his iq, court vision, and playmaking ability are top 5 amongst centers right now.
I'm mind blown by the Luka disrespect.
Forreals, I hope mavs make a run to atleast 4th seed
Luka Doncic current stats (1st in scoring) (1st in low post defense) (2nd on three points made) (3rd in assist) (7th in steals) (18th in rebounds) If the Mavericks can finish top 4 in the West then he should finish top 3 in the MVP race with a chance to win it
The stretch they got to the all star performance is statistically easy. Anyway, in my opinion If you are the reason your team isn't the 15th team, but instead 8th with a close call of being a lot higher up, I think you have a clear cut Most valuable player. To me it isn't the MVP of a good team, which it sounds like a lot.@@stocksguy4565
@@stevennguyen7794 Bruh 4th is impossible
FLuka
"If Chet was the 1st option he would be better than Wemby" 😂
I don't understand people who make that excuse. It's literally harder to perform in a team as bad as the Spurs. Wemby at OKC would have more interesting stats. On the other hand, I'm not sure that Chet would perform as well with the Spurs.......
There's no point in comparing them because the gap is so huge.
Chet is a great player, while Wemby could become a legend.
chet's skillset isn't 1st option skillset..
Richard Jefferson doesn't understand the pressure Victor is under because he's never been a franchise player. But he's been a 2nd/3rd option on good teams like Chet is right now, that's why he can relate to him a lot better.
Being the top dog and performing takes a special kind of people, especially when you're a rookie discovering the league.
I don't get how RJ can say Chet has more pressure. Opponents are going at Wemby's throat and I don't see them playing Chet like that. All I see from Chet is wide open 3's or a pump fake and drive. His teammates make the game so much easier for him. There's no pressure for him to score because his teammates can put up big numbers. He is free to just stand on the 3pt line and wait for a kick.
@Langustaaa Wemby is smart enough to his team doesn't even have a chance to make the playoffs. Wemby pressure is him trying to be ROTY. There's a difference between him and chet!
@@erich3784first off, you’re an idiot. He literally explained the difference of pressure they’re under. Wemby is the #1 option on a shitty team. The ball moves through him, ofc he’s gonna get his numbers if he’s first priority. Chet is playing on a team with actual aspirations and gets similar numbers as the second and third option, playing against teams with the same mentality as them
Victor Wembanyama ROTY no doubt
Chet started folding the moment Wemby starred him down in their last game vs each other. Wemby hunted him and Chet would not even look Wemby in the eye. That was a predator and prey moment.
For real. Since their match-up, Chet recorded multiple single digit outings.
Yeah RJ is usually good with his takes, he missed with this one. Spurs are awful, wemby far and away makes the bigger impact.
the disrespect on luka crazy. shai not even better than luka
Luka is a ball hog cry baby
Lol. Higher team and no allstar help. Mvp ranks not whos a better player. Nash was never better than kobe. Chuck was never better than Jordan
Dallas is 8th right now bro. That matters unless he's doing something historic like Russ and his triple double season.
@@adingdingdiiing6740he did something historic in dropping the 3rd most points in a game, hes aldo the leagues leading scorer, is number 7 in steals, is almost averia triple double but unlike Westbrook he is averaging 49% from the field, he is doing everything better than any guy on that list and his team had had the most injuries of any players team on that list.
@@AP90x i get you, but that's not the point. He'll be the scoring champ for sure. But if the Mavs don't climb to at least the 4th spot, he won't be in the running. It's all about the narratives with media votes like the MVP
I just don't understand the Luka hate. He's having the season of his life and his stats are just nuts.
8th seed
13th in the League....
@@jackjohnson8244 And on a 5 game streak, so let's see how much they rise. We all know that the media hate Luka, just look at the different coverage of Embiid's 70 (praised as a legendary performance) and Luka's 73 (uniformly blamed the defence).
He's a terrible defender in spite of some improvement on that end this year. I'd put him him in the bottom 10% of defenders in the league. Hard to win an MVP is you aren't at least a net neutral defensively. Jokic is a slightly above average defender, Shai and Giannis are excellent defenders. That end of the floor counts too.
@@tompratt7125Harden has multiple mvps
Luka needs some MVP recognition. (... and I'm a Spurs fan)
I agree and I am also a Spurs fan.
Also agree I’m a spurs fan
As a Suns fan, this starting to gets really weird. Mavs just blown out the Thunder with NEW lineup and they didn’t even have ANY segment about it. I’m starting to warm up to Luka over the time and looking back I realize no one gave him his credits Embiid scored 70 The praised were booming, when Luka scored 73 with much less freethrows it became a problem etc, sometimes this just doesn’t feels right
Edit: sorry about the rants,I just have to get this out of my chest
Glad to see us Spurs fans gathered in one place respecting the intra state persona non grata.
Luka Doncic has been the most valuable player this year.
@@ClodnerPierre1injuries. Give luka OKC or boston and they going 82-0
@@iamgalatia He'd win MVP then, but he's in Dallas.....so.....
If they didn’t trade for kyrie Irving, they would have been a top 4 seed and Luka most likely would win mvp.
8th seed is kind of misleading since the caliber of the west is crazy and all of the top 9 teams are pretty closely clustered together. It's high variance and we can see that with the standings shifting pretty frequently. Mavs only have 5 less wins than the thunder and Luka's had one of the most injured teams this season@@ClodnerPierre1
There a reason why coach left : luka
Wemby needs to average 50 pts, 20 rebs, 9 ast, 5 blk in RJ's eyes to be ROY. Stop the wemby slander
No but he has to be above 0.500 to win the ROTY. Like 65 game rule, 0.500 winrate rule should be brought for every NBA award. It's so stupid to give awards to players who lose.
@@berryesseenthis is the dumbest statement I've read here. It's Rookie of the year. The worst teams get the best picks in the draft. Rookies are allowed to make mistakes, it's normal. They have to adapt and learn the game. An individual award has nothing to do with team success. The only exception is MVP, because you expect the best player contribute to winning. That doesn't make sense with rookies..
@@berryesseenthen the best rookie would never win the award its basically a participation trophy then
@@berryesseen rookie of the year has never been about team success
@@Swerv_TBZ exactly. It should be fixed. The league is giving wrong players ROY for years. There is only way to measure success in basketball and it is the number of wins. If you play 20+ minutes every game and your team is above 0.500, then you are a good player. Otherwise, you aren't so good. Farming stats while being at the bottom of the league doesn't mean anything. Wembanyama's stats don't translate to anything important. He can keep blocking the whole league, it doesn't matter if the result is a loss.
The Giannis blackball needs to be studied ever since 2020 the media has been against him winning an MVP he is basically in the Lebron category were u are so good every year that u can’t get an MVP
This the one!
And it’s not even a seed issue he has been a top 3 seed every single season since 2018
Its genuinely concerning
The media is racist
How is he not in the top 5? Makes no sense.
These people can’t even say Luka’s name, it hurts so much
It's deliberate now.
Cuz Shai's been better
@@kurtishair24how? He’s does nothing better than Luka their deliberately black balling Luka from mvp his numbers are better than Shais and giannis
@@kurtishair24his team has been better* if you ask any GM in the league who they pick, not one of them picks Shai.
@@kurtishair24 SGA got completely outclassed by Luka last night.
SGA has never scored a statline of what Luka AVERAGES this seasson, they are 2 completely different classes.
Wemby is under way more pressure for years since he was a very young prospect in France, but more in particular more recently on the draft and preseason. The media were barely speaking about Chet Holgrem until the season started. All the spotlights were on Wemby.
Giannis and Luke better than Shai and Donovan Mitchell!! Brian is still salty because Giannis signed with the Bucks while he was going on for months on how he would leave the Bucks…
Starting to hate that fat windbag more and more haha
SGA is the 2nd best player in the league
what DUHHHHHH how is that even a question
Didn’t Luka just blow out OKC by 30? Like come on dude lmaooo
And Giannis blowout the Nuggets by 20 and he is still under him it’s crazy
And they are still a play in team as it stands right now... Everyone losses games in an 82 game season. The Bucks just blew the door off Denver last night and Giannis dominated the head to head against Jokic but they don't have him number one based on that game do they? That's not how it works. Luka might be your favorite player but the truth is his numbers are not leading to wins. They are a play in team right now. You are not going to win the MVP playing on a team seeded 8th.
@@trainerrob1622 They're a game away from the 5th seed, and we have had an MVP winner on a 6th seed not long ago, his stats and his play should be taken into account, he has been playing on a hurt team all year too
@@trainerrob1622Giannis stats offensively are on the same level as Jokic (except assists) but Giannis is so much better defender than Jokic and Giannis is top 3 seed in east like Jokic. The gap should not be that big at all
@@trainerrob1622They’re one game away from the 5th seed, dude. And now they’re finally getting healthy and on a winning streak. Do you even watch the games or have any idea how many injuries they’ve had?
People need to give Luka his flowers bro
Plays no defense, cries the whole game, nobody wants to play with him, 7th seed. You're welcome.
Richard Jefferson. When teams make up scouting reports for OKC and Spurs, the main focus is on Shai and Wemby. Chet would not handle the amount of double teams Wemby gets.
it’s like they avoid luka completely 😂
😂 yes
They dont like him and mavs.watch mavs make a big run from now on and mavs will be at worst 4th place.thats enough for him to win.
LeBron is still the face of the NBA
Fluka
Is Richard saying that Victor has empty stats like Wilt? Not a fair comparison for a rookie.
Seems like that's what he wanted to say which is wild considering the level of talent in today's game.
I mean he had got two triple doubles and the media only points out this one as if this is his first one s SMH
Giannis has been blackballed from winning the MVP. He could average 50 and he still wouldn’t win it.
Could say that for alot of players tbh like Luka
@@lamjustadroidLuka has never had a top 3 seed sadly
Jokic's playoff run was so completely dominant and so recent, and so many voters regretted not giving him MVP last year, that he's going to have huge sympathy among voters this time around. Playoff stuff shouldn't influence MVP votes but of course it does. Jokic didn't get it last year because he didn't have a chip. Another factor working against Giannis is that he scores almost exclusively at the rim and isn't viewed as an especially skilled offensive player. Most analysts now view Jokic as one of the 2 or 3 most skilled offensive bigs ever. Fair or not, those are tough obstacles for Giannis to overcome.
@@tompratt7125 honestly I agree with most if not all of what you said but my input would be it’s not fair. It’s extremely unfair.
@@KurinKato1 because of the team constructed around him
Windy the windbag in his hate Giannis phase 😂
Man has to average 27 for Chet not to have the edge lmaooooo
What? Chet has 14 and Wemby had 27 14 and 10 blks. 🤦♂️
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby I think he means Wemby has to be stat padding in a historic way just in order for people in the media to finally say Wemby is leading ROTY.
@@MarquisVegan ah, I see. I don’t know. I watch both of them play, I think Wemby has a lot higher ceiling. It’s not just about stats. He dominates his matchups but gets a lot less opportunities in the plays to even compile stats. I think Pop is also trying to develop sochan to get him to develop into a star he can pair with w we Wemby. Pop is less concerned about Wemby because he’s already good. They’re tanking while developing other talents for the future. OKC is actually trying to win. People don’t talk about these things. Most posts you see on here are, ppg ppg ppg!!!
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby I totally agree with you.
Sorry, I misinterpreted your comment as someone else pointed out.
The Giannis hate is unreal
WHY DO WE GIVE GUYS LIKE HIM VOTES... GIANNIS NOT EVEN IN TOP 5 AT LEAST??? THIS IS DISGUSTING AND THE MEDIA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES THE WAY THEY HAVE TAKEN GIANNIS OUT OF MVP TALKS FOR 4 YEARS NOW
RJ criticising wemby for not winning at 19 years old comparing him to wilt not winning his whole career is kind of crazy.
his "hatement" is that wemby towers over the competition the same way wilt did....
Then why didn't Shawn Bradley, Rik Smits, Manute Bol, George Murezhan, Kristaps, even Yao dominate as much as Victor does? I'd like a logical explanation to that.
@@erich3784 one because they aren't as talented and two because they aren't as tall as him. I didn't make the argument. I'm telling you what RJ was going to bring up
Lowkey I thought he was gonna say Victor be stat padding when he brought up Wilt.😭
@@deeang349Yao is taller than Victor so...
@@Derka-xr2dl and?
they blow straight past luka to talk about don michelle 😂😭
Luka is having a better season statistically than Shai and Jokic. And has an almost identical record as the 76ers
But both of them (especially SGA) are good on defense as well. Even though offense is really important (even more nowadays), you still need good defenders.
@@cedricasdfghjkl9151Luka is one of the league leaders in steals this year
Luka is only the 5th best player statistically. Look it up. Stats don't lie. It's Embiid #1 and Jokic #2. However, Embiid is disqualified from MVP - too many missed games.
That narrative is long gone, he has improved his defense a lot and as has been stated leader on steals and is a great iso defender. He does look like he lets things get past him from time to time, but when he thinks he can do an impact he does. @@cedricasdfghjkl9151
@@texasvet2729 That's because he gambles a ton which is actually normally the sign of a poor defender that's often out of position.
LUKA is literally the Most Valuable Player to his team compared to all the other Stars
WHO TF IS VOTING? Luka with 3 votes is insane bro 😂😂😂
Shaq: "I'd still take Bol bol."
The Giannis hate is real guys the media does not want to give it to him at all .he has to be one of the most consistent performers in the league besides Joker.
How tf is Luka NOT mentioned when his avg 35/9/9 while playing with plumbers AND while Kyrie has only played around 10 games
Who's sga playing with? The youngest starting lineup in the NBA. Second youngest team!
@@morgan2552the doesnt have to do everything.he has a better team. They cam win without him.mavs without Luka struggle
@Raul1088 . The mavs with Luka struggled. They were the 4th seed last year and missed the playoffs with kyrie. The thunder without chet last year, at least made the play in and won a game.
@@morgan2552tbro are u really that casual? Being young dont equate being worse! On the contrary they have the best young core in the nba. All of them ball
@joem7462 . Bro, being young also does it equate to being good. The spurs, trailblazers, also have a young team. Luka has more of the same team when he was in the wcf.
Porzingis got traded because he was incredibly injury prone. Brunson left because his dad was in New York and it had nothing to do with Luka. Free agents haven’t been coming to Dallas since the Dirk era.
Let's be honest........Wemby won Rookie of the Year before he got drafted 🙄🙄
Let be honest.......this is not really Holmgrens rookie year 🙄🙄
@@stannistargaryenbros 2 years older and people still give him roty over a younger player putting up better numbers than him because “he plays a significant role on a better team”
@@Freespazfreesumo Yeah it makes no sense. ROTY is supposed to be individual accolades, not based on how well your team or teamates are playing.
@@stannistargaryen .....okay
@@stannistargaryengo the f..k to bed with that ridiculous comment. C'mon man do better
The idea that Kawhi has a case over Luka is beyond absurd
Giannis not in his top 5 lmao Windhorst a real hater
Relax. Windhorst was the leading Jokic basher/ignorer for years. He was once asked by a colleague on his hoops collective podcast if he ever talked about the Nuggets. His answer was, without irony, 'no.' It's only since Jokic's dominant playoff run last summer that Windhorst is now a Jokic guy. He's been an Embiid lackey for years.
The Giannis disrespect…
I don’t even think Jokic has had a better year than giannis 31,11,6 61fg% vs 26,12,9 58fg%. Idk y there is a big gap at all, giannis should be neck and neck with sga and jokic
It’s just media propaganda that’s all. The Nuggets could be fighting for the play in and they’d still hand him the MVP.
@@Chessbox09yeah and people say Jokic is disrespected lmao 🤣 clearly as we see in this straw poll Giannis is more disrespected
Nuggets are worse without Jokic off the floor than the bucks are with Giannis off it. Just how it goes.And every voter coulda had Jokic only slightly above the other 2, but only 1 can get the first place vote.
@@AlphaTSH if that’s the case LeBron would win more than 4 mvps lmao 🤣 clearly biased
@@dewman7477 I know right! That whole “Jokic is disrespected” card his hilarious 😄. They try to give this guy MVP each year like it’s Halloween candy.
it’s really Luka but ok
8th in the west, 13th in the league. Wembanyama is my favorite player....I'm not saying he's the league MVP. LOL
@@jackjohnson8244do you realize how close the 8 seed is from the 3 seed? The west is wide open, u sound absolutely f’cking id’otic
Disrespectful again towards Gianni’s
4:44 for the spurs fans lol😅😂
“ I have a hate statement “ is crazy 😂
LeBron is still the face of the NBA
I find this funny that Luka wasn't even named once
This luka hate is insane
Its also very obvious when the nba decides they want to make a certain player a "superstar" and shai is that person
yes, and it was Ja before him, . Booker and tatum are on their reserves
I've been on the Wemby train since I saw him in those clips from France.
I been rocking with him since he was with Nanterre 92
Giannis is mvp
What Richard was going to say was something about Victor being taller than everybody else because when Wilt Chamberlain played they said that he was playing with regular size men. So basically Richard was going to downplay his achievements because he's 7 ft 4
Have Victor and Chet switch teams and the Thunder would clear and away have THE best record in the League. Chet would not be putting up Wemby numbers on the Spurs, and Wemby can do any and evertything Chet is asked to do..and then some. It's not even close
Chet would have much better numbers on the Spurs because someone has to get stats, even on a horrible team. Putting up stats on a top tier team is more impressive.
@Paulafan5 yea he woul probably be between 15-20 as well, but he's not going to have the defensive impact of wemby and their record wouldnt be any different, if not worse
@@Paulafan5most of Chet’s 3 are created for him lol
@@Paulafan5and I have yet to see Chet get double teamed like wemby
@@Paulafan5go watch the games, Wemby gets double/triple teamed "CONSISTENTLY" because opposing teams scheme to stop him. And yet he puts up great stats !
Chet gets open looks because OKC got Shai & Jalen William, Chet is not comparable to Wemby in no way.
It's not even close, this is American bias been pushed to prop up Chets case for ROY when he's not even a rookie.
Crazy to call these people sports experts with all the Luka Doncic disrespect.
His stats alone should put him at #1.
Also nr1 in crying and complaining all the time
Crazy Ant int in it at all
Stopping wemby are teams main focus, while the thunder have teams planning against stopping SGA. All Chet really has to do is knock down his open shots and make some plays on defense. I don’t really get RJs argument, it’s no way near neck and neck.
Some respect is given and some respect is earned but why is the media and other voters acting like Gianni’s dropped off. Giannis is still in his prime averaging superstar numbers and being the best player on his team with no doubt in that regard and the Milwaukee Bucks having one of the best record in their conference. From a non biased perspective Jokic is a top tier guy at his position but still a lack on the defensive side compared to Giannis. If NBA fans and media want to give Jokic respect for doing things other bigs are not then the votes are well placed but to at least not have a guy they called and are still arguably calling the best player in the world not just a while ago in the second place position in voting is just blasphemy. Tell me I’m wrong …
This Giannis disrespect is Crazy
To not say the kids name in his 4th year with HIS team dominating and he being a top 3 2way player is wild.
Luka, sga,nikola, giannis are all over tatum easily😂😂😂😂
Really glad to see Jefferson airplane he was a great player so now about wemby he's always a kid and each game is a lesson for him but he's on good path to become dominant and unstoppable players and in few years he'll an albatros above nba's areas
I don't get it. It is said that Robinson was drafted in 1987 and that he was the last to have 10 blocks triple double as rookie in 1990?
Was he a rookie for 3 years?
No. A player being drafted on a particular year doesn't mean he's playing on the same year.
The Admiral served in the military for a few years after he was drafted and that's why he was already 27(?) years old when he finally started playing.
Same with Manu Ginobili, he was played a few years later after being drafted because he was playing overseas.
@@HeckThor. Thank's for the explanation.
Luka is criminally underrated
show looks so good without Kendrick Perkins and Steven Smith.
is someone at espn making RJ have this ridiculous view about Chet over Wemby and him being under more pressure? so weird
Wemby is getting a ton of stats in a losing cause (usually) while Chet's stats helps the Thunder to actually win games.
and you could counter by saying Chet is in a coherent system, and Wemby has to fight tooth and nail for every stat he gets. @@Paulafan5
@@Paulafan5what? okc wins even if chet has a mediocre night or an off night, if wemby has an off night the spurs will get blown by 20 not 10pts. And tongive me those arguements that wemby is producing empty stats, most of the time spurs are leading if wby is on the floor and they always lose their lead if he goes to the bench.
Victor is the new Wilton. I hope Steph closes the regular season averaging 7 three's, 30 pts, 6 assist, 5 rebounds and only plays 27 minutes a game.
C’mon now. Luka is better than both Shai and Giannis
Luka isn’t better than Giannis only a better passer and shooter that’s really it
@dewman7477 Dont forget scorer. Giannis is a better defender and rebounder..... What more?
Let Doncic win a championship first
@@laxus6442 ofc giannis is a better defensive player but luka can score much better than giannis could
Wemby is the man and just getting started. Watch how he develops.
SGA, bringing the second youngest team and the youngest starting lineup in the NBA into a top spot is impressive !
Chet isnt under any pressures😂 he can go out there and score 4pts on a 1-9 night and his team still wins. If wemby ever has a game when he score just 4pts on basically 10% the spurs will lose by 70. Chet has not pressure SGA and JDub do
RJ's wilt point is probably to dismiss wembys blocks dunks and stats as him being too tall for the game so its like a given, like the narrative of how wilt was playing against plumbers a foot shorter. But this is like saying Usain Bolts legs are too long since he 6'5 so its not greatness. Basketball is a physical sport man, if you got the god given tools and use them right you deserve to be the best.
These Noob reporters are so blasphemous, Luka is Easily better than all of them Think about it and look at the numbers. Lol . Pathetic.
Giannis is top 2 in MVP race
Jefferson saying Chet is "pressured" to get 16 and 8 every night is hilarious.
Wembayama definitely rookie of the year
How is Luka not even considered top 2
Lol
Richard Jefferson really hate the Spurs.
No Giannis from Brian? Smh
Bro WEMBY had got two triple doubles his rookie year and the media only points out this one as if this is his first one SMH
Chiney's point about Tatum is spot on. Without the story behind it, SGA wouldn't be so high and Tatum would be in the conversation for sure.
Wemby JS🎉
It’s pretty much going to come down to seeding on who will win MVP. If the Nuggets get a top 3 seed it will be hard to not give Jokic another MVP but if Luka leads the Mavs to a top 5 seed or SGA leads the Thunder to a top 2 seed they both will have a deserving case over him.
Why will someone who finish 5 seed will win the MVP 😂
Jokic is not a MVP this year
@@youngcity4241 who is then and why
You forgot Giannis lmao 🤣 the disrespect
@@nicholaskatsikas4904Giannis look at his stats and his defense he plays both sides of the ball and his team record is the same as okc or nuggets pretty much. Yet he’s so far down than shai and Jokic lmao 🤣
Victor should have mvp votes idc lol as a rookie he is killing it
They stay trying to give Jokic MVPs. Every year he has won it, including this year if he does, he wasnt the MVP and shouldn't have won it. And the year he didn't, he should have 😂😂😂
Am i crazy for thinking Ant is getting slept on in these conversations? He's not my top MVP guy, but he's putting up 26/5/5 leading the #1 team in the West (which is loaded). I just never hear his name pop up, and don't watch too much T-Wolves, but feel like he should be at least mentioned with guys like Kawhi, Luka and Shai.
"ive been called that many of nights" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Luka has no defense and they’re the 8th seed. Make it out of the playins if you want to contend everyone’s acting like he wasn’t 4th in voting
This is actually the best rookie season ever besides magic rookie year
We need to protect Wemby from this Malika character. The minute he wakes up on the wrong side of he bed ,she's gonna pull up his grades in primary school. Every girl he dated. Every time he looked at somebody the wrong way and every cookie he took out of the cookie jar when his mom wasn't looking.
Richard Jefferson likes to hear himself talk even when he has nothing to say. Ya-Basic Richard.
Tatums roster is insanely stacked
Wemby came to a team with a bunch of young guys in a rebuild year, they didnt get back a young star or 7 picks when Kawhi asked out. Clips GM said he would move heaven and earth to get Kawhi from Spurs. But he didn't move heaven and earth for Kawhi. He moved heaven and earth for Paul George. Spurs probably about two drafts away and a big fa from all the games being important and Wemby growing his man body.
How is SGA ahead of Luka?
So it’s MVT and not MVP?
@@DeeRGJokic win mvp as 6th seed so if Luka team gets to top 5 seed in west with the stats and no Kyrie for half the season, luka has to be mvp
Total points, steals, team record...
@@DeeRG i'm just saying it is stupid. I've been following NBA since early 90's. You have regular season MVP and finals MVP. Making team success as a metric for Most Valuable Player in the regular season is a bit off
@@DeeRG yes, you should mute yourself…
I’m a spurs fan, Luka is #2 in the league
K leonard been off for 3 to 4 years so its not hard to believe that he is having a great shooting average from the field. People voting him for M.V.P is wild
I don’t want to hate on you but u prolly only watch statistics and highlights,watch him live and you’ll see
I have to be honest. Why does some American presenters have so much hate over foreign athletes?
It is strange to me when someone tries so hard to deny the facts in front of his face.
SA is in a rebuild mode, while OKC is a playoff team with high probabilities to go into the West Finals.
Wemby is by far the best rookie this year. Kid is 20 years old and is getting better daily.
He will dominate this game for years to come. Indeed, he needs to get stronger and amplify his read of the game, without rushing and exercising patience.
I'm an American who really only liked non American NBA players...
Vic should get DPOY & ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
Rj is a generational hater lol love the guy tho
Tatum isn’t that guy and I’m tired of the narrative being pushed that he is. Hes never gonna be be the face of the league Antman will just let it go ESPN
Richard was right and sometimes ladies just let the man get his thoughts out
Richard Richard Richard
Someone please tell me how Nikola Jokic is having such an amazing season? It's the same season he's had for 4 years in a row basically. I love jokic, but he should not be MVP this year. It should be Luka/Shai
It’s crazy I really don’t get it
@@youngcity4241 like jokic first 2 MVPs came in the same exact fashion as the season Luka is having this year. EXCEPT Lukas only talented ball player has been injured most of the year and his numbers are basically better just not as efficient. Do they hate Luka cuz he whines? Idk. He's the only reason why I'm optimistic about basketball life after LeBron/Curry/Durant
It's pretty simple actually. Denver is awful whenever jokic is not on the floor. I'm sure you don't watch Denver games so the box score watching that you do is understandably confusing
@@domingow.17 wow. I didn't know I was talking to a woman. Jumping to conclusions when you don't know anything about the games I watch
@foundationsyth9825 your questions say it for you my guy. You just watch box scores clearly