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Piper Cub vs F22 Raptor
On a real note, I think it would be cool to see more dynamic scenarios like the fleet defense, or many an assault.
Rafale vs. Eurofighter! 4 rounds. Exchsnge of aircraft after each round! That would be a great duckfest!
Two SU-57s vs ten F-16s.
The sound was very strange today. I could hear a lot of the SU57's whistling.
Hope for the sake of realism(?
@@Ariccio123 Nah man, it's the bird's hunting cry.
There was a video of a su57 flying over some people and the sound is from that video.
@@rododendron85 I know but I suspect it doesn't sound like that for the pilots. If the terrain and angle of aircraft were such that the sound was bouncing back at the pilot I'd understand but that's not how it comes across at all.
@@peekaboo1575 maybe GS put the sound over his video. You are right it sounds wierd
‘We have a whole bunch of missiles on our wings’……understatement of the year. You fired 11…..10 Fox3, and 1 Fox2, and still weren’t empty.
The sound of the Felon engines is amazing. Kinda scary too.
But would it really sound like that for the pilot? It was just strange.
@@peekaboo1575 No they wouldn't be able to hear it.
For a moment i thought that was a wicked witch flying by with her speeder broom lool
@Md Tamzidul Haque Riaz most probably it was even made for the same purposes
Saw it fly at MAKS and if memory serves me right, it didn't sound any different to the SU-35 really!
I always love when growling sidewinder flies in anything Russian or Soviet, he just make those machines shine
@@thomasvelazquez9789 what kind of news?
@@artemvektor1 Maybe CNN 😂
@@chinazieswillstartww3253 no, Russia Today.
@@artemvektor1 BBC i bet XD
Only in the fantasy of DCS does the vaporware felon not get its aluminum bottom handed to it in combat.
So I kept forgetting to request this, but have you ever considered doing the I-16 vs Su-57 like the P-51 vs F-22? I think that would be quite fun
I-16 clears
@@air-headedaviator1805 facts
Chilka wins
@@gabrielneves6602 it’s the donkey
Make it fair at least, 2 Su-57 vs 1 I-16
that su 57 fly by audio loop had me scratching my head for the entire engagement
I never knew you could launch internally-carried missiles while inverted. Also that last missile almost looked like a SAM the way it pulled straight up 😂
@@aarontheaviationaddict3643 oh. I've always wondered if missles (even externally carried ones) can be drop-launched while inverted
I like how it looked like the missle came from his tail lol
They are fitted on a rail system that ejects the missiles out
It’s loaded on ejector rack activated by a cartridge. So once actuated, the cartridge ‘explodes’ and pushes hot high pressure gas to actuate the bell cranks to release the weapon and the ejector foot to launch the weapon away from the fuselage. Missiles mounted on rails won’t have this of course.
I can recall hearing this howling sound from a video of Felons flying overhead somewhere in Russia!
Amazing work as always GS! Absolutely love that zoom in on the hud, it makes it much easier to see. Keep it up!
Dud... he put the awacs in the middle of the fight 😆, like what kind of setup is that? 🤦🏻♂️
@@StoneCoolds "AWACS is an acronym for “airborne warning and control system,” meaning the planes can use their radars in any weather, day or night, to surveille airspace out to a range of 250 miles, identify hostile aircraft, and direct friendly fighters to engage the threat."
200 miles isn't that far when your plane can cover the distance in 10 minutes.
It would be interesting to see a BVR fight with something like 6 or more F-16s vs 1 F-35, since the F-35 will be replacing the F-16 in several air forces (Danish, Dutch, Norwegian et cetera).
There's no F-35 in DCS.
@@Greg29 mods bro
@@Greg29 There's no SU-57 either, how did he make this video?
@@stevegredell1123 There IS, that's how.
F16 start to fall down from the sky.
US Awacs : Oh no!
Su57 founds Awacs...
US Awacs : *OH NO INTENSIFIES*
Meanwhile GS in the Felon "Oh yeah!"
I am trying to imagine this in a real perspective from the F-16 and their AWACS crew. This event I think would be terror for anyone who had to face that.
Call Tom Cruise. He'll clean it up with a Tomcat no problem. 😂
The su57 has a radar crossection of a football from the front so the awacs should see it with ease
@@ukkomies100 : Not if it datalinks its Axehead, and fires it beyond range. (heard a rumour the Su-57 is going to be carrying more than just Adders...)
Problem is the AWACS has the radar cross-section of an AWACS...
Apparently, NASAMS had one Fraud57 for launch, per implication lf Gen. Milley.
Aaaand another one bites the dust. Ka52, Su35, Kalibr, Kinzgal, T90M… all of them, one by one…
@@ukkomies100 it really doesnt, i dont think you know how a radar works
Hey GS, an idea for a new combat format: instead of doing bandit unknown, do a loadout unknown. You and the bandit each have a total of 4 fox3s and 6 fox2s for 5 rounds. Neither of you knows, what the other guy brings to battle. Should be a lot of fun.
2 things;
1) A total of 4 fox-3's and fox-2's for all 5 rounds or individual rounds?
2) Not all aircraft can have the same loadout/missile capacity so this pretty much already applies
@@Kazperh No, it's the total amount of missles and you have to choose how many missles of which type you bring in each round. If you decide to bring 2 fox3s to your first round, you have 2 fox3s left for the coming 4 rounds ;)
Why does it sound like an Su-57 is flying by constantly while you're in the cockpit?
so confusing
If your hear that sound, it means Su57 is in subsonic speed
I think it would be cool to see a 10 versus one merge with the SU-57, like you did with the Eurofighter
This was an awesome show down, like the way the Felcon lower the altitude and increase the stealth from the Vipers look like a real shark attack from the Su-57.
Don't need to be super stealthy in this situation, just stealthy enough
The SU57 is a stealth plane, which had the RCS around 0.01m2 (as the size of the human fist or a bird). So the SU57 is a stealth, but not as stealthly as the F22 and F35 which has the RCS around 0.0001m2 (as the size of the small marble) and 0.005m2 (as the size of the pin ball). Even the 6 F16 didn't detect the SU57 at the medium to long range and still at the close range only 2 F16 able to launch only 1 AIM 120D at SU57, why because it has stealth capabilities, reduced RCS and ECCM and EW suite making it harder/difficult to look on radar and harder to lock on SU57 target. So the SU57 is stealth but not as stealthly as the F22 and F35.
I'm thinking the stealth penalty for carrying external missiles might be greater than what we saw here. Especially considering the external pylons are likely hard-mounted.
There’s a lot of rumor going around and its hard to know whats true especially since the su57 is unproven and both sides like to exaggerate but I’ve heard it essentially has the same radar signature as an f-18
And again its all hearsay but you would assume there is some truth to it considering the only time stealth planes have been possible to shoot down was when it’s weapons bays were open and we know having external weapons of anykind compromises stealth profiles
@@chriskey5414 obviously it's more stealthy than the f18 it's made with more composites.
@@jathiyakhan720 ok you say that but there is photo evidence of mismatched paneling exposed rivets and with external weapons on a very large bird i mean honestly you’d have an easier time getting a Cessna past an awacs. But hey I’m no rocket surgeon maybe having a sensor that pops out of the plane instead of integrating it like every other stealth plane has it’s advantages
The improved version/first serial model of SU57 has the RCS around 0.01m2 (as the size fo the human fist or a bird) yes it has improved stealth features capabilities by applying 30% RAM coating on it, the SU57 intake has S duct inlet plus boundaries extractor layer with radar blockers and reduced RCS making it more stealthly than the prototype model T50. While the T50 has less RAM coating with exposed rivets, back part of the engine nacelles, intake with no radar blockers, unfixed of weapons door and expose spectrum of IRST making it the RCS around 0.1m2 which as the same size of an F/A 18 and Rafael. Yes the first serial model of SU57 has improved stealth features and reduced RCS around 0.01m2, but still it is not as stealthly as the F22 and F35 which has the RCS around 0.0001m2 (as the size of the small marble) and 0.005m2 (as the size of the pin ball). The first serial model of SU57 has improved a lot, but still it needs to improve it.
A battle between 4th Gen. and 5th Gen. is futile regardless whether 4th Gens. are in squadron.
Might be an interesting fight if you combat 6x F-22 and 6x Su-57 to see how that plays out fairly.
Question for Taco, why bring the AWACS in closer? Better chance of getting radar returns off the Felon? Or trying to bait GS into an area your flight could reacquire it? Great flying from GS regardless. Plenty of other situations to try out with this kind of engagement.
those are some wonky engine sounds
Yeah its glitched and loops the sound.
The SU57 is a true work of Art!
yep just like a dream that never came true ;)
@@Arashenstein It is already a reality if still not in massa production.
What are you talking about?
Gelous for realising that brains not bloated military budget is what makes real difference?
@@fingerprint8479 I mean those airshow maneuvers won't make a difference with modern fighter jets and modern AA systems, also not being a stealth fighter is a huge disadvantage. Just look how the Su-35 did against 10,000 AA systems lol.
@@EmilioMetralleta i did pretty well considering that its heavily used and only one got shot down
@@nekko5778 Heavily used? We barely see the russian air force in action.
2 F-35 vs 1 F-22 Merge
Yeah I would like to see that.
F-35 dogfights have been so neglected on this channel. I want to see how it fares against more planes.
I do want to see how many Gee’s that Archer fox 2 pulled. That was an incredible turn there.
They are capable from 40G~50G pull
Are we just casually going to ignore how the su57 holds ten fox 3s 😂 AND HAS ROOM FOR some fox 2s
(I know it is using wing pylons but still impressive)
The improved version/ first serial model of SU57 has the RCS around 0.01m2 (as the size fo the human fist or a bird), the SU57 carry upto 10 active radar missile and 2 infrared missile. Which means it can take internally 4 active radar missile on the main bay and 2 infrared missile on the side bay for the stealth configuration. While in a full weapons combat on SU57 it can carry 6 external weapons pylons, but by putting the weapons on pylons it will increase the RCS around 0.15m2. But still the 6 F16 didn't detect the SU57, only 2 F16 able to see the SU57 but still it was difficult to lock on SU57 target and able to launch the missile only 1 missile on a close range, WHY because it has stealth capabilities, reduced RCS and ECCM and EW suite making it harder/difficult to see on radar and harder to lock on SU57 target. Even that the AWACS also has a problem why because it can find the SU57 but not properly where it is. Making it harder to look on radar. So the SU57 is a stealth, but not as stealthly as the F22 and F35 which has the RCS around 0.0001m2 and 0.005m2. But remember the stealth is not always invisible on radar, whether it is F22, F35, SU57 and J20 it will detect mostly from the close range by using strong radar/low frequency radar which make it easier to detect the stealth aircraft, but mostly it will detect on a close range.
@@heatblast876 thanks, very cool information.
@@heatblast876 It'll further decrease to 0.002-0.001 after using new stealth engine and new intake grills
I always find it funny seeing something that big moving that fast
So cool to not only see what's going on, but also hear the immediate comments on what you're doing and why, basically makes all the decision-making process visible as well. Also curious to see how that worked out on the debrief.
Su-57 seems like a pretty capable aircraft here.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
Your Felon was making some very spooky noises during the fight. Very fitting for Halloween night.
For the next or future videos, you should do two SU-57s or F-22s vs six or even ten 4th gen fighters. Just imagine the havoc you could wreak with two 5th gens fighters in a battle.
That's the Su-57 famous whistle
@@subjectc7505 the fact that you can hear it in the cockpit is a bug, it's a sliced audio from a fly-by clip
@@blu4734 I think GS put an audio overlay, because I don't think the original model has the howl.
@@subjectc7505 The whistle was modeled in beforehand actually, but I think here GS just kicked it up a notch
Looks like they don't call it Felon for nothing.
There is a quote I like:
"None of you seem to understand.
I'm not stuck here with you!
You are stuck here with me!!!"
Attempt 23!
Could you please bring out *the flying lol machine I-16 against the F-22 and the Felon?*
Also, could you please show us ground strafes with different weapon setups from ground perspective? We all know how A10 Brrrt sounds from the ground and looks on target, some even know that for Viper's 20mm, but I really wonder how a 37 mm, 6 x 50 cal., 23 mm MiG-21 and 30 mm MiG-29 long strafes would look and sound on target!
Those cloud graphics look insane! Is that the latest beta?
These clouds have been out since 2.7, it’s an option under the weather and time settings in the mission editor
DCS updated to 2.8 in the latest open beta
Can modern fighters use the AWACs radar to guide a missile or is it only good to show where the enemy is?
Also, GS. An F35 BVR fight with a SU57 might be interesting (can't remember if youv'e already done that fight).
There is no F-35 in DCS.
@@singular9 except you can,that's exactly what the aim-260 will do
How about an 1 F-22 vs 10 Eurofighters?? The MiG never stood even the slightest chance, but I think an F-22 would have a pretty interesting outcome. I bet the F-22 could kill all of them at least once, with a LOT of luck.
Thank you GS!!
Not a chance realistically. In DCS I don't know because they are mods.
Actually mig 29 able to shot down 3 Euro fighter typhoon in a dogfight. But yeah, to complete all the match, the mig 29 has to shot down all the Euro fighter typhoon, but the mig 29 didn't defeated all the Euro fighter typhoon in dogfight, instead it able to defeat 3 of them out of 10.
You should have a greater advantage in reality, apart from having stealth better than you think, the additional aft and left/right looking radars should give a much greater awareness and tracking ability
The su57 is such a cool aircraft. With that being said, the canopy bow on that thing is absurd. Great vid as always man.
Ya Russia has never been concerned with their pilots being able to see out the canopy for some reason
@@reboundrides8132 back in the USSR days they were much more invested in ground guided interceptions, so the pilot was more there to follow instructions, making visibility less important.
In more modern times, I'm not sure of the doctrine, but I wonder if it bled over.
I’m kinda wondering if it’s sometimes useful when pointing at the sun, gives you something to shade your eyes behind.
That said, the F-35 and the whole “see through the airplane” thing means that cockpit designs will probably be less and less important.
@@Justanotherconsumer fighter pilots usually have the option of flying with a tinted visor on sunny days for such occasion. Uv protection much better than an opaque piece of material you can’t see through. Equivalent of putting your visor down in your car, it helps but also cuts 40% of your view.
Growling Sidewinder I can never get enough of your videos - you are the chad (English is not my first language, so I hope I used that term correct and did not insult anyone)!
Yes you used Chad well lol
Would the AWACS be that close to the engagment?
I don't think so. Unless the idiots planned the fight.
Aloha @GS, do you think a 5th Gen fighter can pull off that vs 10 Eurofighters challenge?
Besides my love of 5th gen it's obviously that neither su-57 nor f-22 nor another 5th gen could handle that
Not within visual range.
that fox2 launch was insane...
You should do this fight again, but the other way around. You and 5 other F-16s vs 1 Su-57.
That was cold... 6 Vipers + 1 AWACS, the kill count must be around 20+
Always like seeing GS in the Wal Mart brand F-22.
Discount Raptor lol
GS: "I'm not locked in here with you you're locked in here with me" lol
At the very least, knocking out the Sentry, should make them radar active and get you an RWR bearing.
Does Su57 have side radars in DCS?
The Felon may be inferior to the Raptor, but it is a beautiful aircraft in the air and on the ground!
Well it's definitely getting better maintenance!
How would you know?
source: trust me bro
@@lightningstrike5024 bro do you even understand
@@ZOVEnjoyer_ this guy clearly doesnt
I would love to see you fly one of the f-16s or something like that in scenrios like this and see how it goes
Holy shit those R-74M2s are cracked! (I _think_ those are 74s, the Su-57 is supposed to carry these instead of old original R-73s).
Love to see 3 Raptors vs 3 Felons
I believe that GS was tickled pink for the first 45 seconds just popping off missiles right and left.
Hey growling i love your videos! i was wondering if you could do a SU35 vs su27 dogfight
Can't believe you got that close to the AWACS.....I would assume the F16s would go balls to the wall to answer the screams of the AWACS pilots about your approach. (The TAC view shows the AWACS is way too close to the 6 F16s)
"We got one thjere in the distance"
cut to footage of a poor F-16 getting disintegrated by a missile
Just listening to the Su-57 here for a moment I thought you were flying a Stuka :D
Damn nice sound of SU-57 🔊💥💥💥
Why do some jets have much better visibility in their cockpits than others? Is it not as a big a deal as I think? I guess if you’re used to those lines on your windshield you probably just tune them out
You're more likely to see better visibility canopies on air superiority fighters that are intended for air-to-air engagements against other fighters. Big single-piece canopies are expensive and structurally weaker than panels IIRC, so on something like an interceptor or bomber it's a lot less important.
Realistically, wouldn't one of the F16s or their AWACS try to JAM in this situation?
A very good thing that Russia has only 4 of these supposedly in actual service. We still do not know for certain how well this simulates the real world performance.
This shows how much advantage a stealth aircraft has over a non-stealth aircraft in a BVR fight. It's like flying in the dark with some guidance for 4th gen aircraft.
The awacs should see him easily the felon is hardly stealth as it has a radar cross section of a football from the front
@@ukkomies100 "hardly stealth" lol what
at 2:43 .... Is this the moon or the deathstar? XD
Flying one of the ten prototypes I see. I mean supposedly there's ten prototypes and six serialized, but two were shot down by Maverick, and one by Hangman.
Hell yeah, Tac View debrief!
I think it would be nice to be more precise in titles. F-16 has always been called "Viper" and it refers to more than just one aircraft. Especially, when we have this new F-16V version which is actually a Viper in name. So you could write F-16C or F-16 Block 50, so no one will mistake it for Block 70 or F-16A. We know when you use F-15EX but don't know when u use F-16V
Also, I would love to see some BVR fights in F-35, against F-22, Su-57 and all types of Flankers. It;s quite an important stuff now in the world, where for example countries like Poland (my) are buying F-35, knowing it would have to fight with Flankers and Su-57, being worse in dogfights than 4th gens. Not to mention the F-35B/C fighting J-20/J-11 in the Pacific. Those simulations are needed!
Anyway, great materials on this channel, you can acually learn'check things here while making military analysis
0:51 - it occurs to me that GS probably has more flight time than most Russian Air Force pilots :)
Russian what? :D
Funny. 🤨
Isn't the radar a bit too good on the Su-57? The last guy was alsmost over your head and you still manage to lock, fire a missile and shoot him rigth in the face. All of that while you were looking the horizon. And the bandit was like 500 to 750 ft upward. I would like your opinion on this.
Felon has multiple radars
@@shadesplz6185 You mean multiple antenna on the same radar device ? I know that, it's common even for the F-16 radars. My question is, how close to the reality it really is?
For such performance, I guess a minimum of 5 to 7 antenna is required. Against 3 antenna in general for F-16 radars.
It was an offbored infrared missile, that can able to lock on 90* angle to shoot the missile at the moving target by using an helmet mounted display.
@@heatblast876 That explain its ability to lock on 90° angle but still... The turn rate and the ability of the missile to point its nose on the bandit is shocking.
@@thompiraux see the Isreal F16 as know as I16 which carries python 5 missile, they are more like an payback missile which has the angle of 90* to launch the missile towards the enemy target. See on growing sidewinder video you will find it.
SU57 vs 6 Rafales or you in Rafale vs 6 Vipers!? Rafales are supposedly stealthy somewhat upfront?
The sound of Su57 is coool
what’s the title of the BGM during Tacview review?
great work as always GS!!
Great vid man, and btw I have a video idea for you: 3x F35 vs 3x Eurofighter guns only. It would be cool if you do it.
Got a question, so you used the data link and the IRST so you were totally passive right?
@@singular9 I'm not up to date on the Russian missiles, so I wasnt sure. Last time I played DCS was flaming cliffs. I can remember how the IRST worked but its been awhile.
Uncovering the IRST would massively increase the radar signature. There's a decent chance that using the LPI characteristics of the AESA radar in the SU-57 (or at least I would assume they have LPI) it would be less detectable than using the IRST.
This will probably happen in real life in 2024.
Growling Sidewinder
How about a MiG-31 intercepting F-22 in a similar way the F-14 was going against MiG-31 where the 31 fired at 14 from ~150 miles. Just to see the distance at which 31 sees/engages the F-22.
How about a Neo-classical dogfight: F22 Raptor and SU 57 in the Hindu Kush, at dusk?
When that Battlefield Theme kicks in.
That SU57 turquoise colored interior (and all Russian greenish cockpits) reminds of my local hospital, all hallways are in same color 🤢
What about SU-57 vs 6 F/A-18E Super Hornets
Since you are doing overwhelming odds lately, can you reenact the dogfight from the original Top Gun where you are Iceman with 1 working engine in a tomcat against 6 "Mig-28's"
Shoots the fox 3 not even bothered to see if it tracks, good job
@@aarontheaviationaddict3643 yea also how he didn't even checked if he killed the target til he finished the last f-16
@@ohgoshtro He can see their burning smoke trials in the sky visuall and them disappearing from datalink
How about messing up the nitrogen/oxygen ratio in your air supply for added realism?😀
Can you do that again but with only internal payload?
Please do a real battle with f22,f15,AWACS and how the f35 will be an edge in real combat. Thank!
JAS-39 Gripen vs Eurofighter Typhoon ?
I do not understand that last Fox2!!!!
how does the heat signature work?
Man the felons got some serious payload
Glad to hear that distinctive death whine of the Felon 🤘🏼
Watching your videos twice because a former thunderbird pilot likes to break them down. Y'all should dogfight one day in DCS lol.
Jet Clean?
This one is more of challenging than the F22 vs 7 Eurofiters.
GSW as you said those performance of the felon in DCS is not exactly as it is in the real one right? DSC basis in available docs right? It could be better or it could be worse.
Did you rebalance the audio? I heard much more engine noise and it was GREAT to be able to tell how you were treating the throttle!!!!
I might have played a little with the Audio settings yes.
@@GrowlingSidewinderyou might? Haha that’s not the only thing you are ”playing” with.
I hope that is a placeholder cockpit xD
Im starting dcs should i start with f-18 f-16 or f-22
He has recommended the f-18 many times so I would say that would be the safest bet
i suggest the f18, its such an easy plane and very starter friendly, simple to fly and can do everything on it, air to air, air to ground, sead, whatever, if you are looking for air to air i suggest the f16 as its just a beast on that domain, however the f22 is just unstoppable but you'll need to have the F-15 to be able to fly it
I think I remember GS saying the F-18 is probably the best option if you want to learn how to dogfight well. And the F-16 is the best all-rounder option for dogfighting and BVR fights. And the F-22 is just plainly awesome.
What version of AMRAAM? The Felon's stealth is not that great, so I had expected a few more missiles heading your way.
Why Russia likes the Dark over daytime bogles my mind , my wifes father flew variety of USSR / Russian jets , and he told that blasts give the daylight during combat
Funny mirrors - very entertaining. So it was a Dual Su-57 acutally? ;D
I find the rear-view mirror images ... strange. why would they show the tail of the plane at that angle ... ? (at the beginning. after the 3rd minute they are basically blacked out - was that you, GS? blacking out the rear-view mirrors?)
Yo. I'd really like to see a true stealth vs. Stealth.
Full capabilities between the f22 and the felon.
No off the nose 1 or 2 circle engagement.
Would be awesome to see.
Watched some info graphics on the felon and I want to see the difference.
Thanks man
Anything Infographics says should be taken with a grain of salt.
I know, but the way they made it seem with only the front being stealth I'd love to see the raptor annihilate the felon as cool as it is.
@@cam-lg4bc Raptor would kill it 8 1/2-9 times out of 10. The 57's forward "stealth" isn't fully stealth, it's more semi-stealth. The 57's gimmick is detection and blinding.
It'd be cool if you could sneak in on one and pull formation before you splash it.
Holy moly. Naysayers may naysay, but stealth is for real. The F-16 is one of the finest fighters ever, and this Felon --- well it wasn't quite like clubbing baby seals, but it was a bit like Arnold Schwarzenegger against assorted goons and their mid level boss.
To be' fair,it's stealth capabilities are greatly exagerated here.