Santa Cruz Tallboy Review - 2020 Bible of Bike Tests
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- The Tallboy is the bike that opened the door for full-suspension 29ers. Or, rather, it was that bike. Now, it has a slack head angle, more travel, a joint in one hand and your kneepads in the other. Wanna party? Find the full review and much, much more at BikeMag.com.
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*Just an awesome **Latest.Bike** ....well constructed, sturdy, great looking…got me back out on the trails!! Could not be happier!!*
This is a great bike, very capable and climbs very well IMO. I have the S build. I was concerned about pedaling efficiency coming from hard tail for many years. I was very pleasantly surprised and very happy with the bike. I originally wanted the Ripley, but Ibis is way behind and my order kept getting pushed out longer and longer. I went and demoed the TB and it’s been awesome so far.
This is my freaking dream bike
Same
After a year of searching and watching reviews - I've settled on the Santa Cruz Tallboy. Thanks for the review.
Bill Kabitz reasoning of this over the Ripley V4? I’ve been doing some deep thinking and can’t come to a conclusion
@@11dhillons Part of it is the rear suspension configuration making the Santa Cruz stiffer feeling frame on climbs and flow trails, and the head tube angle. I do almost as much climbing as I do descending, so I like the reviewers comments on climbing ability of this bike. But it really is a difficult choice with all the options out there.
@@MTB_Rider_96 Don't do it!!! DEMO! DEMO! DEMO!
I was in a similar boat obsessing over reviews and bike Geo for over a year. I then decide to put an order in for the new Occam. Well it was a 6 month wait and I got the chance to demo it 2 months before mine was going to arrive. I also demoed a Ripley because that was another bike at the top of my list. Well I was blown away by the Ripley. So much so that I managed to cancel the order on the Occam and I now own a Ripley.
The decider for me, between tb4 and Ripley, was that my lbs has SC, and Ibis only comes as mail order, in Scandinavia, from a dodgy “bad review” online shop, and my lbs is killer... The good reviews didn’t hurt either..
CC frame incoming 🤘
The sound was missing because bike magazine had to erase some of the recording at the very end of the video. Now the video is back up with that section missing.
Would love to see you guys do a video comparing this to the new Transition Spur.
I don’t know what I liked more, the bike or the trails. Heaven on earth.
I rode the top spec AXS build with the reserve wheels in Santa Cruz at their headquarters and was absolutely blown away. I had just demoed an Ibis Ripley and while that bike was great and pedaled really well, the Tallboy just felt like it could do so much more than basic XC trails. Felt almost bottomless on the SC home trails. Looking forward to trying it back home in NC!
also in NC, down to same 2. Another reviewer said tallboy felt more bottomless but had to be ridden fast to feel good whereas ripley was always smooth. Lots of slow twisty rooty trails in NC where I am with no real drops/jumps. Leaning toward ripley myself but what do you think about that slow/fast comment?
Steven Crawford I don’t agree with that from my experience. The Tallboy felt super efficient with no pedal bob and handled great even on smooth flowy sections. The Ripley is an animal when pedaling, but I don’t think the Tallboy gives up anything against the Ripley except weight and it makes up for it with its added capability in my opinion.
7:34 - 7:40 no audio, jus song
Will be my New bike, when I can get my hands on one ! Late 2021 in the uk ?
I just got the Tallboy and this girl is fine...
the editing on this video is amazing!
I liked the Review. So far you guys are 4 for 4 on providing good content in a short 8 minute window. So far this year, your reviews are outdoing Pink Bike!
and Congrats Bike Mag! Took you guys about 10 years to NOT Categorize a bike based on it's Travel numbers. You guys figured this out late, but better late than never.
Travel numbers and suspension design never really tell the whole story whole how a bike will pedal or how it will desecend. It is the bikes overall kinematics is what determines this!
I too would classify the TallBoy 4 as a Trail Bike and NOT an XC bike. The TB4 also pops because of it's low travel numbers, but yet it's Geo allows it to descend better than bikes with 30mm more travel. People will say the Tall Boy would be the ultimate if it had 30mm more travel, but what they fail to realize is if it did, then it would totally change the Dynamics of they bike!
I love the TB4 as is, but it would be nice if it's frame was about 1 lb lighter. I think I would pick the Ripley V4 over the Tallboy V4 after weighing all the positives and negatives.
The Ripley V4:
- pedals better than the TB4
- is about 1 lb lighter. Even a 145mm travel Ripmo pedals better than a TB4.
- A Ripley V4 can get down to 24 lbs with race tires, light weight wheelset, and Fox step cast fork.
- pops a little better than the TB4.
- The Tallboy does descend better than the V4, but not by much.
- The TB4 also looks much better than the Ripley V4, so it has that going for it too.
Hope you guys get to review a Ripley V4, would love to hear what you guys think about this bike.
Keep up the great reviews!
Love,
Cartmann
Erich von Cartmann they did review the Ripley v4, in the 2019 bible, “believe or not”😊
Jesper Lund , just watched that! and my feelings are mutual with them. The Ripley is an Amazing Bike!
How about re-release all these videos without music? Not sure who's idea it was to add music but it's totally unnecessary. I just want to hear what the riders think.
ShredB4 dead , agreed! The standard TH-cam music 👎🏽
Im in the market for a new bike im debating between the tallboy and trek fuel ex 8, i see the fuel ex has better components on the drive traing for the same price and im talking about the alloy edition on both bikes if it was you what would you choose based on your professional experience, please advise
Great video review, but please get rid of that horrendous background music. I want to hear the thoughts of the reviewers, not that cringy music
Interesting Bike. I own a 2014 Fuel EX and an Ibis Rimpo. I am doing a 400 km - 1200 tp 1500hm tour through the alpes in the summer. What do you think, would this bike more efficient than the fuel?
Hey Lars! I own literally the exact same setup. Currently in the market to replace my 14 fuel ex 9.7 29er. Great bike, but it gets overwhelmed easily. I think this bike will pedal more efficiently than our fuels and will descend significantly better! Think its time for us to replace our short travel 29ers 😀
P.S. love love love my ripmo!
Can you guys review a 2020 Marin Rift Zone AL? They share very similar numbers with this bike for a fraction of the price.
It seems year after year riders always love the Tallboy.
How can to put a video whit the sound like this How hard is to recorded again?
Gotte love these stanchions
😋
Thanks for the review! Imo this is just a trail bike though. Anyway helped me choose to buy this bike! :)
What do you think about it? I’ve got my eye on the R spec
Wills Kissick it’s awesome! For me a overbuilt short travel bike kind of made sense (I put a fox 36 and 2.5 dhf/aggressor s on it). So if you like short travel 29ers it’s absurdly capable for what it is. Like I’m not sure I would want something where I go faster lol. Can put lighter tires on it and you can make it more balanced 2
Its super cool but super heavy unless you go for the super expansive versions
Hi for the Aluminium Frame, is the frame a lifetime warranty?
Yes, lifetime warranty on the frame. Other components vary, see here: www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/warranty
The Tallboy would be a great bike, if it wasn't so stupidly expensive. Then cheapest carbon model costs 4500€ and has components that you'd typically find on sub 3000€ bike. Such a huge mark-up isn't worth it, not even for a Santa Cruz.
get a second hand one from a few years before for like half the price
All high end carbon bikes are in this price range. You could go with a consumer direct manufacturer but you won’t get the stellar customer service like Santa Cruz offers.
@@dcouture79 That is simply not true. I paid 1000€ less for my 2021 Norco Optic than what the cheapest Carbon Tallboy costs and the Norco is absolutely in the same league as the Tallboy.
The guy on the right says something at 7:35 that gets censored. I am not a good lip reader, so I can't figure out what he's saying.
I live in Denmark and don't need that much suspension. Right now have an xc mtb. I just tried a tallboy S/Carbon c and fell completely in love with it.
super mtb.
so I'll probably have to send my xc MTB
in retirement.
allan Krogh ha ha Allan, that’s what I have been telling you all along, when you were dreaming about those big travel enduro bikes, no need in our, less then hilly country.... let’s see who gets it first, it’s a race🤘😂
I live in the Black Forest mountain area near the Swiss border and my 2018 TB eats any gnarly downhill track I throw at it. Big roots, slippery rocks, jumps, whatever you want. And I am a musculos guy of over 90 kg.
Really a versatile bike that climbs like crazy and descends surprisingly well.
The stories that say the travel feels like 20 mm more are true. I can confirm it.
In the videos there are some audio issues
enduro mtb linz lots of weird audio towards the end!
Near impossible to measure sag?
You still have a sag ring... 🤔
Would you recommend this one or the Hightower for mid trails nothing too rowdy here in Houston
Tallboy will probably do it
Idk, my choice is the tallboy, the aluminium version is cheaper it's $2799 and it's lighter than the aluminium hightower
tallboy vs cannondale habit? scared the tallboy wont be enough travel for my environment, chunky socal, but i have an 160/180 bike already.
I am a SC fanboy with HTLT in house and this Tallboy on my radar but I had a chance to ride the Habbit and boy did it suprise me! It was soo nice, playful, easy, and with enough travel to do it all. If I was not biased against Cannondale (Their customer service and warranty is sh!t) I would put Habbit very high up my list.
@@LukasDePraga There was a time when Santa Cruz bikes were head and shoulders above others, but this is not anymore. The price they charge is not justified.
7:34 again with the no audio......pre watch ?
They've never been good about the audio on these things, this year is still better the previous ones though.
@@morbly yeah, they slowly get better but never really good.
So this or Ripmo V2? that is the question
I recommend the Tallboy
Are the weight measurements on these tests sans pedals?
Yes. Weights are large-size frame, no pedals and set up tubeless with sealant.
Bike Magazine excellent, thank you!
Expect to hear “like” about 35 times in this one...when the audio works.
c'mon man, it's not a noble prize acceptance speech
In my opinion, this is the wrong move. The tallboy 2 was a great xc/trail bike. Now they have upgraded the downhill side of the bike too much.
Tomás Reintroducing the Blur allowed Santa Cruz to make this bike more of an all mountain bike. The Tallboy is pretty amazing, they made some smart changes, I encourage you to go ride one
Why was the guy on the right muted at 7:36?
you tube bots ride treks
He was effin and jeffin.
Anyone has the right to dream, even though it will never be real 😔
Work, $ave, make it your serious goal, it *_WILL_* happen - unless you let the world dictate to you _your_ life. F*CK FEAR, *DO IT!*
It isn’t that expensive you can save and buy it
But for the UK (and other wet areas of planet earth) that shock location is awful. It’ll get blasted with mud, dirt, water and sh%t. Awkward to clean. Which means more maintenance and more time in the shop. Given the cost of the bike, this is a real turn off. PS can you review some Whyte bikes. Great Geo, decent prices.
A shot of tequila for every time they say
"I think" Geeze!
Obviously a trail bike..an all rounder
I would marry her....
Audio is terrible. Sounds like an echo chamber and the music over them talking is very distracting
Yeah, bike mag has a history of terrible audio for the bible of bike tests. Check out the 2016 tests if you want to hear a real echo chamber.
Who damaged the front of the frame, looks cracked. Awesome looking bike
Just looks like severe impact damage. The damage doesn’t go all the way down to the edge of the headtube, so all should be well. Looks mostly paint and lacquer damage. Doesn’t look great though!
Sounds like they're trying to convince themselves it's a good bike...
It's not.. not for the money...
@@REB4444 You would do better to spend less money on another brand and get better componentry. The componentry offered on the lower level Santa Cruz bikes does not align with the price of the bike and is detrimental to the performance of the bike. But that is deemed OK because its Santa Cruz lol.
8K USD for a 30lb trail bike? Seems a bit much but i guess dentists and trust fund kids need bikes too.
@Scott Pratico im a lowly diesel mechanic... I easily afforded this.. Its called, priorities. 🤘
Get the lower end model for 5 then!?
My dentist rips.
wish they didnt skip the 5010....
That bike belongs to the streets.
wait a second... it's eight thousand two hundred dollars?
Yeah uber expensive. Get it built and you can get it much cheaper though (and better probably). I mean it's a carbon full suspension mountain bike from one of the best high end bike manufacturers. And its quite good build. So it's not going to be a 2500 YT or something =].
Yes it’s a doctors bike. Not for us normal people.
The girl ....the bike...one of each please
Why select Simano moter in Santa Cruz first...Korea don't like Simano motor......
Santa Cruz is SO over priced for the specs! Hard no for me. $7000+ (US) builds, and you still can't get into FOX Factory sus. Lame!
Santa Cruz bikes are just overpriced and very heavy. The tallboy is NOT a XC bike.. not sure why they keep pushing this idea.. 8k for a 30 lbs bike that does nothing better than any other brand with the same components.. they were clearly paid to have a biased review.. I hate to post negative comments on videos but this is not realistic to say the least.
I think Ibis has this bike for the price and the weight! Santa Cruz bikes have gotten way to expensive and to heavy for the given part spec.
It’s too.
You guys obviously haven’t ridden the new Hightower it’s awful , sluggish just like the Bronson
Paul Cartwright the Hightower and Bronson are slow pieces of junk. Only retards would buy them.
They did review the HT.
Logan Smith haha , exactly both awful bikes
Logan Smith Dude, no modern high end bikes are “awful”. The Bronson is more of an enduro and is awesome downhill. If you want to pedal and climb more efficiently there are other bikes that are better in those areas. You can’t go wrong with any modern high end bike.
I've got to say....the whole staged " campsite chat " format with the obviously empty beer cans makes this whole series feel really weak and insincere. I'll take a review from Pink Bike over this any day.
Jon Brown this group are obvious Liberals too
Sham Rock huh? Not sure where that plays into it
Well I like it
Too expensive buy Trek instead.
It's $8,200. Sorry, but nope.
theyre testing the CC frame which is top of the line. Most riders do not need this type of frame. The aluminum frame or even the Carbon Frame will do. Alu starts at 2799, and the Carbon R, the cheapest carbon kit is 4199. CC frames are kinda overkill.
“ an xc bike for downhillers “ that’s the gayest thing ive heard in my life shitty marketing strategy what a joke. I’ve ridden this bike it’s a slow hunk of shit I’d buy the trek top fuel over this any day. This isn’t an xc bike and shouldn’t be associated with them. It’s a hunk of over priced shit.
8k for that? Crappy shock and location? Biased lame review with stupid background music. Wouldn't take that pnw riding
Yeah, I won't buy a bike with that kind of shock location. Too much potential for damage, plus maintenance pain in the ass. And you can't even get to the sag ring! WTF?