It is contemplative almost to a spiritual level. Although I'm quite disturbed that during wide shots the dead trees from afar were not affected by the wind at all.
@@325konstantin th-cam.com/video/r2splzkpCwE/w-d-xo.html They used a fan to create the effect. I wouldn't have realized the trees in the background if it weren't for the commentator lol.
Before you claim this is some anti-semitic diatribe, go out and read the works of Laszlo Krasznahorkai (the Jewish author/screenwriter of this piece), and read the novels of Thomas Bernhard (his style of writing informed the style of this monologue, and the character depicted here is named after him ) -- who frequently attacked the rampant anti-semitism of his native Austria. The only antisemitism here is what you bring to the table -- except none of the creators behind the piece would want to sit anywhere near you.
Nietzsche while paying a Visite to Torino(italy) i gues he was there to lecture or something, he witnessed few people beating a hell out of an horse. Nietzsche from the torment that he saw experinced a nervous breakdown,and he never again managed to recuperate from it.
A lot of my insights about the film come from reading Laszlo K, and Thomas Bernhard. Familiarity with especially the latter provides a lot of structural and thematic context for this scene. I know that this sounds like a vague answer, but in understanding the screenwriter (a world class novelist btw and well worth reading) and his influences, I have a better grasp on what the intent here is. I would encourage reading 'The Melancholy of Resistance" if you're interested. Many of the ideas behind the monologue here are present and explored even further during an early scene involving a woman waiting for and riding on a train. It's also an incredible book, and the basis for "Werckmeister Harmonies"
The youtube miniature image that you chose is a bad choice, it is confusing because it gives an opposite meaning from the whole dialogue - it creates a misunderstanding
He's talking about the MAGAts: "Tarr is a critic of nationalism, and in a 2016 interview said, "Trump is the shame of the United States. Mr. Orbán is the shame of Hungary. Marine Le Pen is the shame of France. Et cetera." In a letter hung near the entrance to a pro-migration exhibition in front of the Hungarian Parliament, Tarr wrote, "We have brought the planet to the brink of catastrophe with our greediness and our unlimited ignorance. With the horrible wars we waged with the goal of robbing the people there. [...] Now we are confronted with the victims of our acts. We must ask the question: who are we, and what morality do we represent when we build a fence to keep out these people?""
@Derek Novakowich He is a Human Being and therefore *entitled* to express his opinion on whatever he wishes. "Knowing their limited world view can cause one to see their art through a biased lens, often diminishing the would-be transcendent qualities of the work." They don't have a "limited worldview"; not geniuses like Tarr anyway. *Who* says they do at all? *You* are showing a "limited world view", prejudice and close-mindedness by saying all those stupid, ignorant and nonsensical things about Artists. Had he said something you like you wouldn't be here complaining. That's what it all boils down to. *And, He is RIGHT.*
@Derek Novakowich "Don't assume to know my political leanings or anything about me based on a single comment." Never did such a thing; couldn't care less about your "political leanings". "Btw, the film was made in 2011, so it couldn't possibly be about MAGA Trump supporters as you said." I know when the film was released. My comment was obviously implying in a slightly facetious manner that the ills and the kind of toxic people that are discussed in this scene can very well be applied to all the MAGAts and people of that kind; whom have all existed since **before 2011.** "I'm simply saying it isn't necessary to tar (no pun intended) ones art with political messaging when it doesn't serve to advance the art." Well, **clearly** and **obviously** he doesn't agree. He has the right to say everything and anything he wishes. Everyone does. And, no, his Great Oeuvre hasn't been "tarred" at all by anything; much less by this expression of his opinions, principles and convictions; which are perfectly true, informed, wise, just, sound, rational, humane, justified and empathetic.
@@jacobperez7329 "Calling us and our representative politicians MAGATs, a play on maggot, reveals your political "leanings."" Boo-fucking-hoo, snowflake. I don't give a fuck about your opinion on my statements. But, since **YOU** have just played that card; let's analyze this. I just call them MAGAts. The association is being made by you and no one else. I've never called anyone a "maggot". How does your "commander in chief" call women he doesn't like? How does he call poor countries/countries in development and the people that live in them? How does he call Mexico and *a lot* of Mexicans? How does he call members of Congress and members of the free press he doesn't like? How does he call groups of immigrants looking for a dignified life? How does he call women he makes unwanted sexual advances on and how does he call the part of their anatomy he "grabs" them by? Get over yourself already, snowflake. I'll call "MAGAt" and "MAGAts" everyone and anyone I fucking please and there's nothing you can do about it. Don't bother with any more responses to me; I won't waste my precious time reading any other thing written by you. Fare thee well. :)
i read it and many more, but thanks anyway :). This video is about Nietzsche's thoughts about nobles and great people and about the less people and their ressentiment and eternal war against what they can't be. if you see the jews only (btw, why not the christians? they are in the same context like jews) you didn't understand him.
Here we go again with this argument, just because the jews rule almost everything that is important doesn't mean they are all conspiring together, the fact that the un is against israel is a strange counter point to that. Even jews are getting jewed at this point, whoever is in charge of this is a subgroup inside the jewish community that surely gives 0 fucks about the average jew himself.
this guy demonstrates not just anti-semitism but anti-immigration in general... which is pretty ironic, given that Hungarians are themselves the last major immigrants into the heart of Europe... The thing about this scene is that is absolutely sincere, and not ironic at all...
Funny then how it was written by a jew. And how Tarr is an outspoken critic of nationalism and anti-immigration. You're reading into it meanings that aren't there.
Hungarians are one of the few European societies that preserving it's culture. It currently stands as a bulwark against the globalized effort to make everything an "equal" monoculture.
@nick I saw this in the theater and I gave it a chance and don't give me that meditative cop out because the characters didn't do anything. I wish they would have engaged in conversation or something. You're talking to a guy who LOVED My Dinner With Andre.
Horrible acting, horrible pacing, horrible cinematography, horribly unoriginal...its just some guy reciting lines like some fake tough guy and the camera guy lazily keeping one close up shot of his disgusting face the entire time as they put the black and white phone filter over the footage as all the pseuds call it high art. Yawn.
Terrible, tries way too hard and feels like a videogame monologue you get when you talk to an NPC. Tarr trying to be Bergman or Tarkovsky is just embarrassing.
ubelievable this whole monologue was shot in one take
huh? literally no?
I want this guy to be my neighbor. He's fun.
at least he talks to you, unlike most neighbours :)
My neighbors would violently disagree with you.
"Ah, here comes that drunken antisemite again" is what they always say.
yeah the monologue is from Laszlo Krasznahorkai's novel War&War, the last chapter Isaiah 's Return
pretty much Nietzsche vibe
incredible movie
It is contemplative almost to a spiritual level. Although I'm quite disturbed that during wide shots the dead trees from afar were not affected by the wind at all.
Sharp observation! The wind is obviously created by a fan or back-pack blower.
@@325konstantin th-cam.com/video/r2splzkpCwE/w-d-xo.html They used a fan to create the effect. I wouldn't have realized the trees in the background if it weren't for the commentator lol.
Not sure what you're talking about - there's only one tree, and it's moving in the wind.
@@325konstantin and a helicopter above the trees in some shots
Say what? One tree and it is quite obviously moving. You can stop being "quite disturbed" now.
At 5:32 so true that silence
Music 🎯
Lord of Comming chaos 🙏🙏🙏 respect this director
Before you claim this is some anti-semitic diatribe, go out and read the works of Laszlo Krasznahorkai (the Jewish author/screenwriter of this piece), and read the novels of Thomas Bernhard (his style of writing informed the style of this monologue, and the character depicted here is named after him ) -- who frequently attacked the rampant anti-semitism of his native Austria.
The only antisemitism here is what you bring to the table -- except none of the creators behind the piece would want to sit anywhere near you.
to me it's more like a discussion with Nietzsche's philosophy but in agreement with it in some extent
no idea what he's talking about
Research the synagogue of Satan
did he spit out the first sip of his drink ?
Yes.
@@ab4845 Why did he so?
@@fredricsavrda8337 One for pacha mama
And in 2009 Bitcoin was invented and shared selflessly and in anonymity. Freedom from the fiat debauchery.
Guy must live in Tel Aviv.
Don't read comments
Unfortunately the translation is quite poor.
gangster
To understand this , gotta read Friedrich Nietzsche’s philosophy, the connection line between him and this story is a Turin Horse,
false: you don"t have to read nieztche to understand this, teher are a lot of better writers out there.
@@albertocortese3586 like?
Nietzsche while paying a Visite to Torino(italy) i gues he was there to lecture or something, he witnessed few people beating a hell out of an horse.
Nietzsche from the torment that he saw experinced a nervous breakdown,and he never again managed to recuperate from it.
cynic Sj 666 Dostoevsky but he isn’t purely philosophical
The filmmaker has a poor understanding of Nietzsche.
I have been thinking for somedays now. What is the meaning of this movie? Why did they return to the farm? Is it related to Nietzsche?
Think for yourself. That's what Art is all about.
A lot of my insights about the film come from reading Laszlo K, and Thomas Bernhard. Familiarity with especially the latter provides a lot of structural and thematic context for this scene. I know that this sounds like a vague answer, but in understanding the screenwriter (a world class novelist btw and well worth reading) and his influences, I have a better grasp on what the intent here is. I would encourage reading 'The Melancholy of Resistance" if you're interested. Many of the ideas behind the monologue here are present and explored even further during an early scene involving a woman waiting for and riding on a train. It's also an incredible book, and the basis for "Werckmeister Harmonies"
I would also like to have a better understanding of the influence of Nietzsche on this film
Nieztsche lived alone like this in his later life.
They return to the farm because there is nothing left outside of it. The entire world end by the end of the film.
The youtube miniature image that you chose is a bad choice, it is confusing because it gives an opposite meaning from the whole dialogue - it creates a misunderstanding
But it's a good marketing of this video, or apparently of anything. You're making a statement about God.
How? :(
This monologue makes we feel very uncomfortable. I’m not sure why...I’ll have to discuss this with my rabbi.
maybe because it is true in a lot of ways?
i watch the whole movie but I didn't understand can anyone explain to me
Think for yourself. That's what Art is all about.
Tarrs films, and art in general, isn't meant to be explained but experienced
He's talking about the MAGAts:
"Tarr is a critic of nationalism, and in a 2016 interview said, "Trump is the shame of the United States. Mr. Orbán is the shame of Hungary. Marine Le Pen is the shame of France. Et cetera." In a letter hung near the entrance to a pro-migration exhibition in front of the Hungarian Parliament, Tarr wrote, "We have brought the planet to the brink of catastrophe with our greediness and our unlimited ignorance. With the horrible wars we waged with the goal of robbing the people there. [...] Now we are confronted with the victims of our acts. We must ask the question: who are we, and what morality do we represent when we build a fence to keep out these people?""
@Derek Novakowich He is a Human Being and therefore *entitled* to express his opinion on whatever he wishes. "Knowing their limited world view can cause one to see their art through a biased lens, often diminishing the would-be transcendent qualities of the work." They don't have a "limited worldview"; not geniuses like Tarr anyway. *Who* says they do at all? *You* are showing a "limited world view", prejudice and close-mindedness by saying all those stupid, ignorant and nonsensical things about Artists. Had he said something you like you wouldn't be here complaining. That's what it all boils down to. *And, He is RIGHT.*
@Derek Novakowich "Don't assume to know my political leanings or anything about me based on a single comment." Never did such a thing; couldn't care less about your "political leanings".
"Btw, the film was made in 2011, so it couldn't possibly be about MAGA Trump supporters as you said." I know when the film was released. My comment was obviously implying in a slightly facetious manner that the ills and the kind of toxic people that are discussed in this scene can very well be applied to all the MAGAts and people of that kind; whom have all existed since **before 2011.**
"I'm simply saying it isn't necessary to tar (no pun intended) ones art with political messaging when it doesn't serve to advance the art." Well, **clearly** and **obviously** he doesn't agree. He has the right to say everything and anything he wishes. Everyone does. And, no, his Great Oeuvre hasn't been "tarred" at all by anything; much less by this expression of his opinions, principles and convictions; which are perfectly true, informed, wise, just, sound, rational, humane, justified and empathetic.
@@ab4845 Calling us and our representative politicians MAGATs, a play on maggot, reveals your political "leanings."
You view other humans as maggots?
@@jacobperez7329 "Calling us and our representative politicians MAGATs, a play on maggot, reveals your political "leanings."" Boo-fucking-hoo, snowflake. I don't give a fuck about your opinion on my statements. But, since **YOU** have just played that card; let's analyze this. I just call them MAGAts. The association is being made by you and no one else. I've never called anyone a "maggot". How does your "commander in chief" call women he doesn't like? How does he call poor countries/countries in development and the people that live in them? How does he call Mexico and *a lot* of Mexicans? How does he call members of Congress and members of the free press he doesn't like? How does he call groups of immigrants looking for a dignified life? How does he call women he makes unwanted sexual advances on and how does he call the part of their anatomy he "grabs" them by? Get over yourself already, snowflake. I'll call "MAGAt" and "MAGAts" everyone and anyone I fucking please and there's nothing you can do about it. Don't bother with any more responses to me; I won't waste my precious time reading any other thing written by you. Fare thee well. :)
he's talking about the Jews
it's about Nietzsche.
+Attila Salamon who were the purveyors of slave morality if it weren't the Jews? Read Genealogy of Morals, not Buzzfeed.
i read it and many more, but thanks anyway :). This video is about Nietzsche's thoughts about nobles and great people and about the less people and their ressentiment and eternal war against what they can't be.
if you see the jews only (btw, why not the christians? they are in the same context like jews) you didn't understand him.
No, this is a misinterpretation.
Here we go again with this argument, just because the jews rule almost everything that is important doesn't mean they are all conspiring together, the fact that the un is against israel is a strange counter point to that.
Even jews are getting jewed at this point, whoever is in charge of this is a subgroup inside the jewish community that surely gives 0 fucks about the average jew himself.
this guy demonstrates not just anti-semitism but anti-immigration in general... which is pretty ironic, given that Hungarians are themselves the last major immigrants into the heart of Europe...
The thing about this scene is that is absolutely sincere, and not ironic at all...
why do you feel this way? i think this dude has a nihilistic and misanthropic outlook on their current situation
*guy talks about a group of people that are subversive and evil*
"oy vey, anti-semitism!"
ever hear of projection?
Nothing of what you said is in the movie. Leftist brainworms.
Funny then how it was written by a jew. And how Tarr is an outspoken critic of nationalism and anti-immigration. You're reading into it meanings that aren't there.
The funniest thing about this scene is that Hungarians have degraded the European culture... Oh the irony :)
Yeah, the Europeans let the Europeans in
Give an example?
Really? What a great mighty power we have then! Greetings from Hungary
Hungarians are one of the few European societies that preserving it's culture. It currently stands as a bulwark against the globalized effort to make everything an "equal" monoculture.
@@wm5297 Like I said, the main pillars of ideology is impervious to reality
This goes down as the most boring film ever made.
@nick I saw this in the theater and I gave it a chance and don't give me that meditative cop out because the characters didn't do anything. I wish they would have engaged in conversation or something. You're talking to a guy who LOVED My Dinner With Andre.
You probably meant "The most important film of this decade and contemporary cinema"
@@Aggrobiscuit Still boring as shit.
@@johnyzero2000 Sitcom Themes!
Yes. But better than marvel studio films
Horrible acting, horrible pacing, horrible cinematography, horribly unoriginal...its just some guy reciting lines like some fake tough guy and the camera guy lazily keeping one close up shot of his disgusting face the entire time as they put the black and white phone filter over the footage as all the pseuds call it high art. Yawn.
t. someone whose favorite movie is Inception
play at 0.25 and take the time to read the subs
Terrible, tries way too hard and feels like a videogame monologue you get when you talk to an NPC. Tarr trying to be Bergman or Tarkovsky is just embarrassing.