The Bronx Bus Redesign - Not Good Enough?
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- The Bronx Bus Redesign's Final Plans were released in November 2021, and since then, we've seen/heard a lot of opinions on it. Some good, and some bad. In this video, I give my thoughts on some of the changes that can be made to the plans to provide better transit access to those living and commuting in the Bronx.
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I liked what you did with your proposals and I support what you did with the bx15.
They should have a bus route to Newark
Taking the BX4 for over a decade, I have also observed how empty the bus can get. I agree with your idea of make the 4/a into one route running via Metropolitan Ave.
I'm glad you agree with the idea.
Agreed!
Why does the bx4 even exist?
@@qjtvaddict To serve Westchester Ave.
Bring back the BX14 & BX55!
The bx23 is so underrated, I've been taking it for over a decade, for me and for the other members of Co-Op City it's really useful. Think of it as a Co-Op City shuttle then to Pelham bay.
That’s why the 6 Trains need to extend to serve more of co op city so bx23 becomes unnecessary.
The Bx1 should be called the BxM1 wile the 1A can be the Bx1
Why would the mta change a local routes name to a express route
Plus there’s already a Bxm1 bus so why would we make a local route have a “M” in it
Bring back the 50 bus to Co-op City all day service
If you live in Co-Op City, you will know how necessary the BX23 is as a shuttle route. It just needs more frequent service
I hate to say this but there are some faults to some of your proposals. Here is a breakdown:
- The Bx23 and Q50. Eliminating the Bx23 and replacing it with the Q50 would cause issues. Having two separate routes helps to keep both routes close to on-time.
- Axing the M35 and extend the M125 to Randalls Island is not good at all. The premise for terminating the M125 in The Bronx is to provide network coverage to the stops the Bx15 won't be serving. Both the M125 and M35 serve different markets.
- The Bx15 to Long Island City...where are you going to get the buses to prove such extension to? The buses that are used for the Bx15 will be reallocated to the M125. Which is why the M125 is likely going to be a West Farms route. Under the 2020-2024 Captial plan, the MTA is only procuring 345 Artics for OA/TA. All of the buses are to retire buses that are above 12-years of service. I don't even think there is any demand for such service.
Remember, the Bus Redesigns is meant to be cost neutral for the MTA and to use whatever fleet they have at their disposal. Which is why there will be fleet reallocations across the board.
The M-125 is a joke. instead of having on Bus the old Bx-15 the MTA was froced to mess up the Bx15 . By spliting a heavy Bus route like Bx-15 is going to be headache for the public and also for Bus Drivers. KingsBridge Depot is going to take a hit now. Mind you that M-100 is'nt going going crosstown 125 st. the M-125 M-101 and M-60 is going to froced to picked more passangers.
@@MagicMike-rd8mz Right now, it is rumored the Bx15 and M125 will be based out of West Farms Depot. The reason for the split is to improve reliability along the stretch to/from The Hub to Fordham Plaza. While utilizing the M125 for network coverage. This will end up being successful for the MTA as you would have two routes that better serves their core markets.
They also shouldnt redesign the Bx6
The Bx6 already takes on a lot of passengers going and coming from the food market as it connects to an entire neighborhood
Honestly sending it down the Bx5 makes the Bx5 useless and redundant between Bruckner Plaza and West Farms
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 The Bx5 and Bx6 SBS along Story Avenue will operate no differently than other routes with local and limited stop overlays (such as the Bx6 itself).
They are also not proposing eliminating all Bx6 service to Hunts Point. Rather, only SBS service will be rerouted and local service added to compensate.
@@TheRailLeaguer Or people can transfer to the Bx5
I do like an extension of the Q44 line to Fordham Rd. it is very convenient for me.
Fordham is a very crowded place and Fordham Plaza already has about more than 30 buses per hour so having another route being extended over there would be tough.
@@BronXLimited i would get rid of some of those routes - move the Bx 15 to fordham center to spread that crowd . Move bee line routes to sedgwick and fordham cover the whole block and access to Hwy . move the Queens lines to the Plaza or add a super express JFK bound Q44
@@andremorrsion6491 The Bx15 is already at Fordham Center. A dedicated bus loop was opened for that route, concurrent with the Bx41 SBS-related service changes to the Bx15 and Bx55.
@@TheRailLeaguer Ohh ok. perhaps move the 17 or the 44 to Botanical Gardens to ease up congestion . I still would consider the M100 to run a portion of fordham to ease up 12 bus traffic
even though i agree that would be a traffic nightmare for a driver
I’m okay the final design, as person that travels between Queens and The Bronx for school and work, I’m especially glad with Bx36 bus, they eliminated all the turns between Parkchester and Grand Concourse. But a missed opportunity was extending the Bx41-SBS to LGA, it’ll give those western Bronx rider a straight one seat ride to LGA without going to Manhattan and taking the M60-SBS
I think it’s unbelievable that it took this long to fix the Bx36 route!! It was common sense!! It’s a currently a horrific route!! Makes no sense with all those turns!
Bx41-SBS would be better off going to Jackson heights the subway already gets you to M60-SBS
The Bx41 SBS to LGA was NOT the idea, It was for a New SBS route (Ether Bx50 or Bx52)
I like the MTA Changes, but with your changes added. They also need to extend the 6 train into coop city and the 4 train in Yonkers
At this rate, extend the 1 into downtown Yonkers as well and the 2 to Mount Vernon lol
@@samuelitooooo that is actually a great idea. Nyc is not just the 5 boros anymore yonkers, mount vernon etc in the north. Nassau county to the east, and parts of jersey to the west. South west expand affordable and practical public transportation without so many transfers especially between different systems
The subway extensions are a different subject from the redesign of the bus network.
@@samuelitooooo if the 2 came to mt Vernon my life would be complete
Can you please do the Brooklyn bus redesign.
OVERALL, I LOVE THE BRONX BUS REDESIGN
MY PROPOSALS TO MAKE IT BETTER
BX1 WOULD BE SBS
EXTEND THE BX2 TO RIVERDALE TO BE A LOCAL FOR THE BX1 BETWEEN 149 & RIVERDALE
THE BX18: THE BUS THAT GOES CLOCKWISE WOULD BE THE BX18, THE BUS THAT GOES COUNTERCLOCKWISE WOULD BE THE BX58, BOTH WOULD BE EXTENDED FROM GRAND COUNCOURSE TO MOTT HAVEN & BE THE LOCAL FOR THE BX1 SBS
EXTEND THE BX41 & BX41 SBS OVER THE RFK BRIDGE & FOLLOW THE M60SBS TO LGA AIRPORT
I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE BX4 & BX11
MAKE THE BX15 AN SBS FROM MANHATTANVILLE TO FORDHAM VIA 125TH STREET & 3RD AVE
The Bx41 to LGA would serve 0 benefits
Just take the subway to the M60 simple
The Bx15 doesn't really sound like it can really benefit anyone, as someone who Rides the Bx15 Often, I saw the Bx15 to Harlem with the M100 give more Benifits for Riders
The Bx4/A idea Is a good idea and sounds like it can Benifit people
The M125 Actually sounds good even with all the hate I have for it
The Bx23 should be Merged with the Q50
The Bx25 to Bx26A and Bx2 to Bx1A idea I also agree with
Co-Op City needs 24 hour 6 train service even if that means extending the Bx 28 service to Pelham Bay Park from 11pm to 6am. The 30 26 28 terminates in Co-Op City so extending those routes also would be beneficial. There could also be a new bus line that links the B/D 2 5 6 subway lines again giving Co-Op city 24hr 6 train service. This would also be good for MTA bus drivers giving them 6 train station to use the restroom facilities.
The Bx28 should go to Pelham Bay overnight. I say this as a co op resident.
Norwood improved NOWHERE! Personally, I would’ve just kept the ideas of the Bx28 and Bx34.
Also 4:15, the original QBx1 was pretty much what your idea is.
For the Bx27, I had put the idea in the open house for the Redesign with the Bx27/35 combining, so nice to hear a similar thought.
I agree. Honestly, they could’ve extended the Bx10 to Fordham Plaza via 204th and Webster while the Bx28 and Bx34 stayed the same. I also would’ve recommend straightening the Bx10 to go directly to the Mosholu Pkwy station rather than deviate to the Bedford Park Blvd station, while the Bx22 extends a bit more to meet with the Bx10 itself. It can make trips better and provide new service between Riverdale and Fordham Plaza.
I also would’ve preferred for a route that served every section of Co-op City, and after leaving that area, it would stop only after the subway stations along Gun Hill Road, and then at 205th Street at the D train and then make another stop at Bedford Park Blvd on the 4 train, which can speed things up for those going to the subway stations.
3:55 I see where you're going with the Bx15, however this was my envisioning of it.
1) Bx15's current route cut back to Lexington Av / E 125 St. Southbound buses now use the E 129 St exit to get to Lexington Av, where northbound buses continue using E 125 St / Willis Av Bridge.
Buses would run nonstop between 149 St / 3 Av and 138 St / 3 Av (southbound) or 138 St / Willis Av (northbound). Local stops along Willis Av would be replaced by a new route.
2) To replace Bx15 service along 125 St, the M35 would be rerouted to 12 Av via 125 St.
3) I do agree that there does need to be bus service to Long Island City. To serve this, a new route would run between The Hub and LIC via Willis Av / 21 St.
Astoria line bro maybe a reroute of Q100
I like the idea from ThatBronxrailfanner . Those on the West Side of Manhattan could easily transfer to the M60 SBS. Those bus riders to/from service to 12th Avenue could take the M35. The service change on the M35 would benefit riders going to Wards Island without dealing with delays on Lexington Avenue and 124th Street, especially the sharp turn at that intersection,now that using the bus lanes on 125th Street.
No body is riding the M35 except for junkies and addicts so lets stop that and be real . the M60 is a airline bus making that the sole line of125th no good . Here is my Nerdy outtake ... M104 can terminate on 125th /12th ave or the M116 then here is my other Alt. M100 - extend the line to bruckner and lincoln where they meet theBx 15 at new South Bronx terminal. I also always felt they should have extended the M15 into the bx
No changes to the express buses I realized
There’s actually a express bus final plan but no ones really knows about it ou
@@Sean8888TTP really because I was reading the route changes individually but literally all the buses I live near by didn’t get changed but the express buses I live nearby were going to end earlier
@@josiahdillard7428 I only sent one route
Most of the routes are staying the same, BxM2 and Bxm11 are changing highways and the BxM4 is getting cut back
And yes hours is ending earlier
@@Sean8888TTP yeah I think the BxM2 should stay on the west side
A big missed opportunity would have been the extension of the Bx19 beyond the Bronx Zoo, north and then west along Bedford Park Boulevard to Lehman College. This would have provided numerous transfers to other lines and opened a connection between the north central Bronx and many locations in the eastern and southern parts of the borough. I mentioned this in the online survey the MTA had about four years ago.
3:17 The Bx6 SBS to Bruckner Plaza is replacing those Bx5 short-turn trips, which is why Bx5 service is being reduced.
It’s a terrible idea
Legit only serves the people who can’t wait for a Pelham bay Bx5 bus
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 Not really. There’s big demand for more direct crosstown trips across the borough, especially on the Southeastern side. Rerouting only the SBS is a great start. As such, this will serve a large market of people going across town, not Bx5 riders who can’t wait for a Pelham Bay Park-bound service.
@@TheRailLeaguer It is a bad idea lol
Your proposing we cut off an entire neighborhood and reroute that bus route to run to an area another bus already does
It's an awful idea and you should see the amount of riders going and coming out of hunts point
The Bx5 could do with increased buses and that's about it
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 Local service to Hunts Point will still remain, with a service frequency increase to accommodate Hunts Point riders. Nobody is proposing to remove all bus services to Hunts Point.
@@TheRailLeaguer Select service is used a lot more or on the same frequencies than the local
the Bx5 could be turned into an Select or Limited Service on its own but story Avenue does not need extra bus service
Bx5 buses to white plains rd drop off most passengers along story avenue
The Bx6 to White Plains is still a bad idea considering it only benefits riders on the 5 which already runs there
I like the reroute of the Bx36, it can even give me a better connection to the Bx22 and it's more direct to the Heights. Also, they should have a bus route on Bronxdale Avenue.
I wish you had proposed converting the Bx19 into a local and SBS route, considering that this was proposed in the past (Bus Forward 2017) and that the Bx19 is amongst the slowest and highest ridership routes in the borough.
I agree 100%. There needs to be bus lanes along 149th Street in the Bronx and 145th Street in Manhattan. Also, more buses need to be added to the Bx33, so that it could run every 10 minutes during off peak. No bus in NYC should be running every 20-30 minutes during days and evenings.
@@sylonisupport68 There are bus lanes along 149 St in the Bronx, however there are often double parked vehicles in it and unfortunately, it only leaves one lane for regular traffic.
@@ThatBronxRailfanner but there isn't a bus lane on 145th Street in Manhattan. There needs to be more enforcement on all bus lanes. Fordham Road and Webster Avenue also experience the same issues in regards to double parking.
@@sylonisupport68 The bus lane covers E 149 St / River Av to E 149 St / Southern Blvd. 145 St does not have bus lanes.
@@ThatBronxRailfanner Bus lanes need to be added on 145th Street and I strongly support Bx19 SBS.
i live on the 174th street block and the route is Bx36 and Bx36 Limited and they are changing the bus signs from Bx36 to Bx11 to parkchester but the bx36 runs though that little plaza with alot of shopping places and most passagers get off and on from what ive seen.
Riders on 174th Street going to Soundview can transfer to the Bx11 at Parkchester. Nothing wrong.
Nice video, please do more videos about about bus network redesign, did you finish your Manhattan bus network redesign map
The MTA should put more BX29 buses to city Island
Been waiting for this One. 🤟
Nice video, but from your videos i feel the design following the old lines with some modern touch for example small ports,3-2 ports instead 4-3 ports,tickets from first port all that things that increase time standard size from busses,you can take ideas from different countries ex Greece...
BX15 is suppose to be successor of Bx55 and 3rd Ave El
well it shouldn't be any longer
the Bx55 was just a replacement of the 3rd Avenue El, and if you want an actual successor, it's the Bx41.
@@thoseonetrains that’s doesn’t run on 3ave
@@williamerazo3921 yeah i know but it's close enough to be a better alternative
4:10 The real point of the Bx23 is to give Sector 5 passengers quick access to Pelham Bay. By cutting the Bx23, you would extend trip times between the two areas, especially since Bx29 service is being cut back to Pelham Bay.
Seems that people in City Island are being cut off from the closest large shopping area by cutting back the Bx29. It should be restored.
@@samuelitooooo h😅
Just send bx29 back to section 5 the future site of a co op city MNRR station. A clearview express bus can be very useful 😅😊
I would send the Bx28 to Van Cortlandt Park-242nd Street via West Gun Hill Rd, Sedgwick Av, and VCP South to give the north Bronx a crosstown route, many people change between the 28 and 10 in Norwood, so it shows a crosstown is needed, it’ll also free up capacity on the Bx10 for students at Lehman College to make up for the loss of the Bx28 from Fordham, I would simply send the Bx38 so all trips end at Fordham. That will also let the Bx25 go to Fordham since passengers in Co-op City sections 1, 2, and 3 will already have a Lehman College option and Allerton Avenue wouldn’t need basically two of the same buses doing the same route heading west and will give them a direct option to Fordham instead, for Lehman College, they can just use the 26.
Instead of the Q50 going to LGA, I propose sending the Bx41 SBS to LGA, many people travel between LGA and the Bronx, and would even alleviate congestion from subway lines and avoid needless travelling to Harlem, it also has more connections and incentivizes 24 hour service on the Bx41 SBS, instead of the final northbound trip ending at Fordham before 10 pm, which is stupid.
The M35 exists because it simply connects people to Harlem and Randalls Island and I’m certain one wouldn’t want to ride with who rides on the M35…
That’s something I’ve considered for redesigning the bus network in relation to Bronx subway expansions and replacements.
I like a lot of these ideas. I particularly like the Bx11 replacing the current Bx4.
I also like the Bx15 extension into Queens. I would rather see it extended to Jackson Heights though. I honestly think there's more demand for Bronx connections up there than in LIC, where there's a train and various north/south routes that would connect with buses going over the Triborough bridge. Also if you're in LIC itself, taking the train into Manhattan and then transferring to an express subway line into the Bronx isn't that much of a detour IMO. That said, could the Bx41 also be extended?
I agree the Q50 should go to Co-op City at all times, but instead of looping around all 5 sections, my proposal would be to extend it to the Dyre Ave 5 train station and split it into two branches: one via Baychester Ave and the other via section 5 + Co-op City Blvd. So people riding from Queens have easier connections to Bee-Line. idk about absorbing the Bx23 into this but I'm not from the area so as far as I'm concerned, that means more frequent buses for Queens 🤷♂️ (and would help with the proposed extension to LGA).
I don't think renaming the Bx2 to the Bx1A is worth it. Just keep it simple with different numbers and one less syllable lol. Remember that this helps non-English speakers.
I agree that golf courses are a waste of space in the city. 'nuff said there lmao.
The Bx15 can go to Long Island City, and we can have a Queens route extend to Yankee Stadium from the Jackson Heights/Woodside area. But you'll need the Bx41 SBS to LaGuardia Airport because LaGuardia Airport wants to propose another SBS along the M60 SBS route.
I agree
But the transfer thing is the same for those who live in jackson height
Bx15 to queens. That is a horrible idea. Bx 15 runs from Fordham Road to 149th street the hub. How could it go to queens makes no sense.
@@davidalmodovar7420 1) East on 149th, south on Bruckner.
2) I think this one makes more sense - south to 138 on Willis Ave or 3rd + Lincoln, then east on 134 and onto the Major Deegan
Bus redesign? I thought the buses were going to be rebuilt. Ah, the bus NETWORK, the bus ROUTES
M125 to Randall’s Island…….Heck No!! M35 Serves Mostly Homeless ! No Way!!
Well we could maybe better the homeless situation with new housing and support services for them in all the boroughs instead of using the situation to deny bus changes.
Remember, it does not end with the Final Draft and Implementation. The MTA will continuously redesign the network with slight route tweaks and changes over the next few years.
I would probably see the Bx21 extended to West Harlem replacing the M125.
Never thought of that. It would definitely help the 2/5 trains out during rush hour.
1:10 the reason this can’t happen is because MTA is trying to remove all A/B Bus routes
I doubt that. They still have the M14 A/D, M34A, Bx4A, and others. If they really wanted to get rid of the 'A' routes, they would have done so already.
@@MysticTransit Don’t forget the Q15A and Q20A/Q20B
@@MysticTransit The MTA is using the Bus Redesigns to eliminate a suffix from a lot of routes. Notice on the Queens Bus Redesign their doing just that. The only route in the entire system where the letter A should be used is on the M14. To distinguish both Avenue A and Avenue D variants. In 2024, the MTA could revert the M34A back to the M16. Even to this day, there is confusion for people who rely on the 34th Street Crosstown.
@@MysticTransit although this is true. We can see in the Queen Redesign true removal of all A/B routes. Such as the Q20A/B turning into Q20
@@MysticTransit the bx4a should be rebranded as 4 with the original eliminated the M34A is useless the other queens A buses are getting eliminated
The design is fine the way it is, considering it went through over three years of redesigns and tons of community input
Let's be honest here. Most people don't know what the hell is going on, despite new bus signs being placed already.
@@ThatBronxRailfanner I’m not denying that. It’s a shame that Bronx residents will have to only adapt when the plan takes effect, instead of actually preparing for it. The MTA just needs to head into these communities and start talking to everyone who’s gonna be affected in the coming months
@@RoamerSmoke Take it from me, Baltimore MTA done this and the transparency on what needs to be done; whom it would affect and how the changes would improve efficiency seem to go misguided because of varying opinions that'll end up receiving a disastrous result when no one has any clue on what's the best option.
Needless to say, speaking to the general [oblivious] public will almost always result in two answers: "Why are we changing it?" and "Is fare gonna increase?"
People tend to be dense and selfish as long as it "gets them" to their destination
I’m Just glad the changes the Q50 got but the MTA Needs to add more service on the Bx23
I definitely agree. A personal idea i've had ever since i moved to the wakefield/eastchester area a few years ago is at the very least if they weren't going to increase bx16 service they could make a new route that starts at the 241 st stop on the 2 and goes down baychester av and ends at Pelham bay park connecting to the 6 train. Or considering the fact that the bx19 is one of the highest used lines in the borough and goes through several key areas + there are bus lanes along its route, why not include select bus service? Or how bout including a rush hour extension to lehman college
I have considered this, but the problem is that due to the construction of the New England Thruway, Baychester Avenue is not continuous, so that would mean that this bus route you propose will have to detour through Co-op City.
@@TheRailLeaguer not a problem
I hate hateeeeee the new bx18 bus route. It was so uncalled for lol
Why?
We need 50 Bus to Co-op all day service why should we go to Pelham Bay and wait an extra half hour Wasting to much time
I think there should be a bus that connects the Bronx and Queens via the Throgs Neck Bridge. Make it an express route or something
As a Throggs Neck resident who once had to choose between a 60-90 minute bus ride for $5.50 a day, and a 10 minute car ride for $13.00 a day while working at St. Mary’s Children Hospital in Bayside, I concur.
Nah
I have been thinking and dreaming of something: What if the three existing routes of the Bronx - the Bx1, Bx4, and Bx9 bus service not only be new Select Bus Services on their own routes, but have reliable extension between their southbound destination and LaGuardia Airport in Queens. I though of that, because these three Bronx bus routes are approximately nearer although they have to cross on the JKF bridge just as the M60 Select Bus Service.
The south and western side lil bit of the east of the Bronx needs a SBS airport link a bus line to & from the Bronx to LaGuardia airport terminals! It should be 2 separate lines. They both would’ve meet up in the south Bronx somewhere using the Wills Avenue and 3rd Avenue bridges to meet up with the M60 stay together to the airport! This would definitely help the overwhelming crowdedness on the M60 route.
I’ve been thinking this:
Bx41 to Riverdale
Bx18 to West Farms Road, Southern Blvd
Bx33 to Riverside Dr 135th street
Bx13 to Port Morris
Bx55/LTD to Olinville
BxM12 to New Rochelle Costco Supermarket
And I think that’s it :)
Nobody would ride that bus just keep rail fares low
Why does the Bx41 need to be extended for far northwest from its current terminal? Just use the Bx7, 10, and 20 for Riverdale…
Few things....
1) Why would you want the bx41 to Riverdale? It's already a pain at Gun Hill and Webster Ave.
2)You're pretty much replacing the former Bx11 route with the bx18. It's likely not needed.
3)Bx33 terminates at St. Nicholas Ave for good reason and likely never be changed.
4)Bx13 to port Morris would never happen due to its current terminus at 149 street.
5)Bx55 won't happen again unless MTA stops the BS and finishes the 2nd Ave subway and extends the line onto the bronx through 3rd Ave.
As one who lives in Co-op City & uses the Q50 to Queens with regularity, I support your idea 100%. The Bx23 shouldn’t even exists because it was a thinly veiled service cut from the start once they eliminated the QBx1. The cut to the Q50 in making it go to Co-op City on rush hours only is going to hurt big time, especially past midnight, since they won’t extend the hours of the Bx23.
I like the rest of your ideas, even though the Bx15 to Long Island City is very far fetched but i like the ambition of it. Another good video.
So you’re saying that the confusing service patterns on the QBx1 should return?
The Bx 23 - Q50 used to be one .. called the QBx- 1 and that route was too long . The Bx 23 does its job and serves Co-op the line is crowded and makes more money than a lot of routes
You might need to consider this Bx15 ends up running under the N & W trains from Astoria Blvd Triborough Bridge LaGuardia Airport Station to Queensboro Plaza. What will happen is that Bx15 riders will get on to the N & W trains at Astoria Blvd
That is debatable. A lot of bus lines run under subways, and it is a proven fact that most riders stay on the bus (usually if they have a seat).
*These are all great ideas!*
Except the Bx6 one that was ass
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 That's not really true, as there will still be Bx6 service to Hunts Point. The SBS however will be moved to Story Avenue to be an impromptu "Bx5 SBS", a move that can improve travel between Southeast Bronx and the rest of the borough.
@@TheRailLeaguer Or people can take the Bx5 like they always have
and people can leave the Bx6 to run along the route it was made select for
Bx5 Limited or Select is far more better idea and less confusing
If I wanted to get to Hunts Point faster I don’t want to have to either get stuck in a local bus or surprise surprise have to transfer
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 That won’t solve crosstown needs, and besides, most riders to/from Hunts Point aren’t riding that far either. Rather, almost all Hunts Point ridership is going to/from the Hunts Point Avenue station on the 6 train or the Intervale Avenue station on the 2 and 5. Hardly anyone over there is going to Yankee Stadium or to Manhattan.
@@TheRailLeaguer You obviously don’t ride it daily
Large crowds at Hunts Point Ave station during the rush hour
And the School tripper and people who surprise surprise
Work in hunts point
Bx6 was turned SBS for better service for The Bx6 not for Bx5 riders
You don’t want to change the M35 . Trust me people agree with me on this that lines serves a purpose . LOL
4:51 Merging the route doesn't have to be the solution to this. Since the M125 is gonna be assigned to West Farms, the Bx35 us being swapped to Kingsbridge, which leaves more room for Artics. With all those free artics, they could go on the Bx27 instead.
I think the Bx46 Should Either Go To The Hub Or West Farms Road, and A Bx15 SBS To Replace The Limited
3rd Avenue was considered for Select Bus Service, but was not chosen for SBS implantation. Instead, the Bx55 was converted to the Bx15 and all 3rd Avenue service terminated at Fordham Plaza on a dedicated turnaround loop.
I think you forgot about the Bx19! It's a long route, and by the time it gets to 149th Street, it is severely crowded! Let's not talk about during rush hour!! Even with articulated buses, I've never seen an overly-crowded line!!! I am impressed with the BX4 BX11 extensions, and the point of the Bx1 and Bx2 redundancy! Overall, your videos are very, very informative!
I HATE 149/3rd during rush hour!! Getting rid of the 2nd and 3rd Avenue el in that area was a huge mistake. That area is in need of more trains into the city. The city planners from 120 years ago understood the need for public transportation in that area more than their successors!!
@@ariesmichaelsayan4013 I remember the 3rd Avenue el as a kid! It was nice to go from the HUB to Fordham Road. My Dad told me that it used to go into Manhattan, and from what I remember since they took the 3rd Avenue el down, it was a mistake!!!
Maybe add some median bus lanes (protected btw) and that should keep things moving.
Next time it would be useful to do a TLDR of the plan before you mentioned your critiques. I'm curious about the changes that you like
Despite living in Co-op City, I've never taken the Bx23. If I have to go to Pelham Bay Park, I just hop the Bx12. I'm also not a fan of extending the Bx5 to full week service. Bartow Ave has too much congestion already.
what happen to the least used station series
I would have a Limited variant of the Bx28 during weekday rush hours like the Bx36. I would also have a Limited Bx36 at all times during weekdays rather than just rush hours. There also needs to be a Limited Bx9. And maybe reignite the idea of a Bx50-Select from Fordham Plaza to LGA in Queens
Would’ve been cool but would’ve converted them to SBS instead of Limited like they did on the Bx6 (the only non limited route converted to SBS along with the local)
@@briangonzalez6432 yeah that can be done too
@@josephnyy86 reason Bx6 being SBS instead of Limited is because they stopped making the routes converted to Limited
@@briangonzalez6432 yeah I knew that
Bx28 SBS should be made a thing. I live on that line and it would be great to have an express option along Gun Hill Road. Bx1 should be turned into SBS tbh.
Concourse subway underneath
@@williamerazo3921 Not an excuse. The M14 got Select Bus Service despite the L train running underneath, same with the B44 in Brooklyn.
What about the Brooklyn bus redesign? wonder what's going to happen.
I like your plan, what’s your thoughts about some express buses cutting or extending?
BxM 5 is stupid the 11 should be rerouted etc
6:37 “who cares about golf and who’s idea was it to build a golf course in new york” Based?
One of 45’s greatest blunders
@@jeffrienunez4557 That's not the only golf course in the city tho. There's one in Forest Park in Queens that doesn't bear 45's name. Off the top of my head I believe there's one in Fort Hamilton, Brooklyn as well that the B1 bus passes by.
@@samuelitooooo there’s also one in Van cortlandt Park. But that’s past the point. The point is the golf course in Throgs Neck is 45’s. And it’s LOSING MONEY Because his name is on. So real estate owners would actually gain money if they repurpose part of it for a entry/bus terminal for the BX42.
The only way a LIC connection is useful in the BX is to get people (sad to say this ) TO RIKERS ISLaND . What the Bx need and not way over in the East side is for a bus connection to the airports . Fordham Plaza and a line at Pelham Bay . Even more have the q50 extend to Fordham plaza with service to LGA and a Q44 super express at Fordham plaza that goes to JFK
After riding around this weekend I realized instead of a M125 why not just send the M100 into the south bronx 3rd ave ? guess travel time and driver fee. also the M15 could have entered the bronx there for lesson the load on the subways
I care about golf
The Should make a Bronx Bus Extension To Queens a LaGuardia Airport and Letting Q50 Bus stay in Flushing.
I wanna see the BXQ Express bus route so I could travel to queens from the Bronx ny
MTA need hire u
YO I'M IN THE VIDEO, I'M KROCYOIN.
All of the major E/W bus corridors could use some center bus lanes to help with crosstown travel. Combined with transit signal priority, it would be a fast way across the Bronx and into Manhattan
How about some busways for some of the corridors?
You should definitely do a Express Bus Redesign
I just some investigation and the express bus redesign plan was mentioned and upon further investigation and got confirmation from express bus riders that express bus is taken off the table and will not go forward in this redesign plan because especially the BxM4 because the Express Bus is the only way to and from Manhattan because not lot of subway is wheelchair accessible and Express bus serve more purpose than the subway especially the areas that only served by the Express Bus.
They need to get some more buses for Miami-Dade Transit for the express for the corridor South and and for the corridor east and west
What about the brooklyn bus redesign? There's a chance for Brooklyn residents to get new Routes, and discounted older Routes, possibly within the same area as Queens plaza Transfers. B62 and B32 should have different route options for future Redesign.
I don't know much about the Brooklyn Bus Redesign, nor when they will be releasing the final plans for that.
@@MysticTransit wdym?
They haven’t even released the draft plan.
@@Maunico0809 🤨 what is it
@@elizabethbobbio2601 The Draft Plan is the initial plan for redesigning the bus routes. From there the public will have a chance to comment on it and from there the routes are tweaked.
i wish you said something about the bx21 is the worst service I've seen in my life
The Bx18 bus while warranted is also conflicting meaning is Undercliff Ave rider be denied the chance to transfer for University Ave lines as well as River Park Towers connections ??
Most Bx18 ridership is going to the 170th Street station, with ridership to the Bx3 minimal.
@@TheRailLeaguer - People on undercliff don't go to 170th street to grocery shop when you have several shops on university . eliminating the connection between university and even River Park Towers would be a critical mistake . people go to 170 for the train lines , if that bus went the opposite direction and connected to those lines there would be no love lost for 170th street
@@andremorrsion6491 There’s a set of stairways that connect University Avenue to Undercliff Avenue so that option is there. Plus the number of riders going to 170th outnumbers the River Park Towers ridership, so it shouldn’t be a big worry, though the 170th ridership would see faster service.
There’s also the option to walk to Sedgwick for the clockwise Bx18. Everyone will still have their options since god gave everyone two feet.
However I do think they should combine the Bx3 and Bx13 and increase Bx35 bus service as well.
@@TheRailLeaguer Good Morning .. 18 bus riders are Seniors, Mothers with kids and students , and train commuters . The street steps are like walking incline of three city blocks then walk another three blocks to get to university . My old suggestion was to utilize the 42 or even a few runs of the 36 that terminates at west farms to do a turn around at Undercliff sedgwick . or have the 40/42 run two way on sedgwick south to the Precent . the 168th street 18 path is not going to work , heavy traffic narrow block west of Odgen Ave
@@andremorrsion6491 They should be able to handle it now, though there are bigger benefits to the new Bx18 bus routing, including a faster connection to 170th Street and the elimination of that right turn from University onto Sedgwick (which given how sharp it is, should really be banned). High Bridge and Morris Heights residents are really appreciative of this.
In the long run, what should be done is remove the Major Deegan Expressway, replace that right of way with development, and reverse the traffic flow of Undercliff from southbound to northbound. This will also reverse the direction of the loops to going northbound on Undercliff and Southbound on Sedgwick, further improving things a bit. Hell with the new development being mixed use, including shops, you might not even need to go up to University.
Scrap the BX 17 altogether.....it's one of the worst routes in the Bronx and most people don't pay anyway...as most routes in the South Bx.
So you’re suggesting leaving Crotona Park and other areas of South Bronx unserved, despite that route serving areas with no subway service?
I moved out of NYC in 2003 and had a car soon after. May someone explain what a Select Bus Service is? All I know is for example is B41 and B41 Limited.
Select Bus Service is the MTA’s version of Bus Rapid Transit.
Basically, SBS is off-board payment + limited stops + high frequency, it’s supposed to mimic a subway, and in some cases (ex. BX41+) mimics a subway that used to run in that route but was destroyed
They add it bike racks 5:46
I have taken a look the the routes for while, and I will say that I am okay with the network. I am somewhat disappointed that the changes to the Bx28 and Bx34 were dropped though I do understand why. However I do kind of think that there could’ve been some sort of a compromise, especially as the proposed Bx34 routing would’ve served the 204th Street area, which has no bus service and connects to the Bx41 and Webster and 204th (potential new Metro North station in that area?) This compromise would be to take the Bx10 off Goulden Avenue, and instead operate via Mosholu Pkwy, Jerome Avenue, and then resume the normal route to the 205th Street station. From there it would continue along Bainbridge Avenue and 204th Street to Webster Avenue and along Webster Avenue to Fordham Plaza, stopping only once along that street at Bedford Park Blvd. The Bx22 would be extended to meet the Bx10 at Sedgwick Avenue. This allows for a new direct connection between portions of Northwest Bronx and Fordham Plaza, straightens out the Bx10 by the 4 train to some extent, and can serve 204th Street while allowing for the Bx28 and Bx34 to retain the normal routings through the area. I would also like to see the Bx9 rerouted away from Southern Blvd and onto 182nd Street and 3rd Avenue to serve Little Italy and Belmont better alongside the planned Q44 SBS extension, allowing for that route to make fewer stops.
For Western Bronx, the changes to the Bx18 bus is something that should’ve been done long ago, especially since such a short route has the potential to connect much of Highbridge and Morris Heights to both the 4 train and the B and D trains all at once. After all, if you’re going southbound on Undercliff and are making that tough right turn onto Sedgwick, you’re better off continuing the southbound trip on Sedgwick and going back to the 170th Street station via 168th Street. Why make that trip back north, especially since it’s everyone on Undercliff is going to that area. This Bx18 change is a match made in heaven, though some changes could be made, such as an frequency increase.
The changes to the Bx18 routing itself also allows for the Bx11 to be freed up to operate on El Grant Hwy to the Washington Bridge rather than aimlessly meander through Highbridge for no reason. This is important because another important change to the route is that the Bx11 is slated to operate via 174th Street to Parkchester to connect Morrisania and the 6 train, and meandering through Highbridge will mean that the buses can be delayed by the time the buses even enter Highbridge. Not to mention that a new bus lane opened on El Grant Hwy anyway and 181st Street became bus only, so it makes sense that this route use these new bus lanes as much as possible. I honestly would’ve preferred for the Bx11 to make limited stops just to speed things up further, but who am I to judge?
Speaking of El Grant Hwy, to replace the Bx11 on West Farms Road, the Bx35 is replacing it on that corridor. Nothing much, though at least it gives a direct ride through the South Bronx and along the El Grant Hwy bus lanes.
The stars of the show however are the crosstown routing improvements. For starters you have the Bx11 operating on 174th to Parkchester. Phenomenal change, especially with the potential to directly connect Morrisania and Washington Heights directly with the 6 train in concert with the Bx11 and Bx18 changes in Highbridge. The Bx40 and Bx42 along East 180th Street are great as well, again providing direct service across the South Bronx. However I do want to see one of these routes converted into a limited stop service, making certain stops along the new routing from River Park Towers to Randall Avenue. The flagship change: the Bx36 along Tremont Avenue. I mean seriously: via 174th and then along Boston Road and THEN along East 180th Street before going via Tremont? Who are you serving on that circuitous route? With the new routing, it’s a straight run down Tremont and you get to your destination in a swift manner. I do recommend that they put down bus lanes on this corridor and on East 180th Street to support these new routings, though busways can help too. After all, these changes can bring new riders to the bus system, and you can only run so many buses at a certain speed in mixed traffic. With bus lanes and busways you can be sure to accommodate more people on them. These sets of changes should’ve been made long ago.
Let’s also not forget the Bx6 SBS routing. Though on hold until next year, I do love the routing of it, since it provides a new direct Manhattan-SW Bronx-SE Bronx bus connection, which will really benefit everyone on both sides of the Bronx River. I do understand that the Bx6 SBS will be replacing the Bx5 short turns, but it would be better to expand that and run this all the way to Tremont Avenue or to Bay Plaza to enhance connections even further, and reduce trip times overall. The smallest changes can make a big impact.
Other than that, we are al set, but should the subway network be expanded I do recommend additional changes to the bus system. Can’t wait to see what’s in store for Brooklyn.
Your idea for the Bx6 is downright stupid
You have to take into account everybody who takes the Bx6 along Hunts Point Ave who are being cut off so that it can appease people who can't wait for a Bx5 or 6 train
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 Bx6 local service will be increased to make up for the loss of SBS service over there. Never was there a proposal to eliminate all Bx6 service to Hunts Point. Bx6 and Bx46 service to Hunts Point will remain as is routing-wise. Plus I’m only proposing the Bx6 SBS make limited stops along Story Avenue and Buckner Blvd, essentially creating a route that is a limited-stop variant of both routes.
@@TheRailLeaguer Still a better idea and on that would make more sense and require the least amount of work for the same benefits would be making the Bx5 a Limited or Select Route
And by Hunts Point I mean everywhere along the Bx6 South of Bruckner
Bx6 SBS is a Major Help and was made a Select Route probably because it needed to serve everywhere the original route did
Still people can wait for a Bx5 Bus it isn’t that hard
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 Technicaly a Bx6 SBS rerouted via the Bx5 route would accomplish what you are proposing with your Bx5 SBS plan since it does provide needed crosstown service across the Bronx River below Westchester Avenue.
The impact of losing the Bx6 SBS is minimal at best since most riders aren’t going that far from Hunts Point anyway (most are going to Hunts Point Avenue on the 6 or Intervale Avenue on the 2 and 5 trains). Thus, rerouting the Bx6 SBS to Soundview is going to be a big boon for Southeast Bronx, since they finally have a crosstown service.
They ruined the m100
how?
@@TheRailLeaguer IT WAS BETTER GOING TO 127
I would LOVE to talk to you more about the Bronx Bus Redesign plan, as I have a lot of opinions.
Then if you can, join my Discord Server. In there, me and a lot of other members have frequent conversations about NYC's bus network.
Kind of off topic, but for a cartoon me and my friends are working on, we're developing an entire metro system because the show takes place in a west-coast inspired city (the city is LITERALLY named "The Big City") and there are many scenes that feature the metro network. (Spoiler: one scene is a chase scene into the tunnels with a somewhat large crash) and I was thinking on doing a really strange subway that uses Portland MAX trains, but they are fully automatic, 5 cars long, and have 1.5 minute headways (one of the the downtown corridors has 4 tracks so this is possible.) Any thoughts? What should I modify/change?
All routes should have a limited variant
MTA great job, now for my opinion for the BX22 should of been added on for changes in the video because I've been living with the BX1,2,9,22,and 28 for a decade until 3 years ago but the BX22 service pattern is werid so theres 2 BX22 routes, One goes to Fordham Center Valentine av and other one goes to Paul av E 205th Street (BX25 soon) which Most new people that come to live in areas that the BX22 serves they get confused plus the timing kinda sucks on the BX22 only about 7-12 buses per hour and most of the route follows the BX9 which nearly all the time the BX9 is more crowded than the BX22.
There’s actually 3 BX22 bus routes. Overnight the last stop is Pelham Pkwy and I have to work overnight and I live right around the corner from it on Kingsbridge and I can’t even take it because it doesn’t go to Kingsbridge till 6 something in the morning. The MTA needs to do something bout that route because it honestly doesn’t make no sense. How you have 3 different terminals for 1 bus that’s ridiculous
Bx22 doesn’t need any changes
It runs a perfectly fine route connecting castle hill to the 6 train and Unionport/parkchester to the 2/5 trains
And then it connects those to the B/D and sometimes 4 trains
This route is legit perfect
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 There could be more, including making Goulden Avenue service operate during weekends as well and Fordham Plaza service 24/7. I also proposed some changes to the Bx10 through Mosholu Pkwy and concurrent with that, the Bx22 would be extended to meet up with the rerouted Bx10.
@@TheRailLeaguer It shouldn’t
The Bx22 already meets with the Bx26 and Bx10 as is and considering the Bx10 hasn’t been changed it’s gonna stay that way
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 I’m just suggesting an improvement.
why is there e a itrbouh sector for iterborogh lies.
I think you got it wrong when it comes to the M35 In addition to taking people back-and-forth to the parks and activity centers on Randall's island The 35 is a shuttle bus for all of the homeless centers on Randall's island the M35 has lots of problems the bus smells there's fights no one pays that bus should be left alone nobody deserves to have their busses run to Randall's island and deal with all that nonsense the M35 is fine doing it Let it be it's own problem
You obviously are not a driver. The bx27 change isn’t realistic
Explain how? I ride the Bx27 very often, and I can't think of any reason for it to be an "unrealistic" change.
The only issue I currently see with my plans for the Bx27, is that it has to make the turn onto and off of Westchester Avenue, which may be difficult with the articulated buses I proposed to run on the line.
@@MysticTransit The 27 was created to service the ferry terminal towards the subway. Also, the artics would have a hard time turning on towards Westchester Avenue. The construction in that area is ridiculous. Westchester Avenue is not an ideal spot to turn on or off but extending it out as a 35 would be suitable if it were every other bus. Then on top of it, you would need a bus fleet to do it. The Bronx passengers don’t pay for their bus fare, and west farms are low on buses cause of construction. You would need to pull from one route to add to this route. It’s a good plan, but not for this line.
Reducing Q50 service in Coop City to only rush hours I believe is a huge mistake and I hope the MTA comes to their senses. (“Whose idea was it to build a golf course in NYC?” Really? I don’t know don’t know how to respond to that without insulting you. It’s not the only golf course in NYC, or even the Bronx.)
WTF is Discord
You messed up on the Bx5 part then you jumped to the bx6
No keep the old route I don't agree is shit keeping the old current route forever this is going to work
Why? What’s wrong with faster and more direct crosstown service on the Bx11, Bx35, Bx36, and Bx40/42? Do you not like the Bx18 changes in Highbridge and Morris Heights?
@@TheRailLeaguer What’s wrong is people like to think only about effectiveness but not about how it actually impacts the people who actually ride it
Am a daily Bx6 rider and I need the bus to get to school
Rerouting it to bruckner plaza would make the Bx5 useless
It would also disconnect an entire market of passengers and riders and I know many people who depend on that Bx6 stretch from Hunts point towards Yankee Stadium and manhattan
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 Rerouting the Bx6 SBS to Bruckner Plaza will not make the entire route useless. The route won’t be making every stop along Story Avenue. In fact, the new Bx6 SBS routing will make things better for existing riders, especially for Soundview riders, while at the same time, drawing a whole new market for Cross-Bronx travel, especially as a new bus lane opened in Story Avenue. Same with the reroutes on the Bx11, Bx36, and Bx40/42. The Bx5 will retain the usefulness of the route. Gonna be a hell of a lot better than what we have now.
Local service on the Bx6 will be increased to replace SBS service. There are no plans to eliminate Bx6 service to Hunts Point entirely.
Unfortunately, the changes to the Bx5, Bx6, and Bx6 SBS will be held off for about a year or two due to the issue of installing soon to be outdated MetroCard vending machines.
They should remove bus service from the Bronx. No one pays and those thugs in the Bronx always disrespect those drivers out there. Screw the Bronx.
Funny joke.
@@MysticTransit funny and truthful!
@@omt4293 That’s not the truth. It’s just lies you make up. In fact, if you think that all bus service in the Bronx should be removed, then tell me why the Bx12 is the most used route in the city?
@@TheRailLeaguer used yes!! Paid..no!!
No one pays in the Bronx. Screw them and don’t tell me I make them up I take the bus in the Bronx pal and literally no one pays. Truth hurts huh
@@omt4293 That’s not the truth you’re spreading. Also, a lot of people pay in the Bronx, same with other boroughs as well (the ridership statistics for the Bx12 and every other route are all paid ridership). We shouldn’t screw over the Bronx with your made up statistics.
Also, no transit operator would be sane enough to deny an entire area bus service in any form. Not even Los Angeles is proposing discontinuing all South LA bus service.