Bryan Kohberger case: Experts explain why roommate likely waited to call 911 | LiveNOW from FOX
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- The Idaho murder victims' surviving female roommate likely didn't call for help after coming face-to-face with accused killer Bryan Kohberger because she may have been paralyzed by fear and confusion, experts told Fox News Digital.
The roommate - one of two who survived the attack - faced swift backslash after it was revealed in an affidavit, that she awoke Nov. 13 and looked directly at the alleged murderer as he fled, then locked herself in her bedroom.
"When a person goes through trauma, they are going to experience fight, flight or freeze," said Dr. Katherine Kuhlman, a police and public safety psychologist based in Arizona. "Most people in their entire lives won't have to deal with this type of trauma and won't mentally prepare for it."
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Brave enough to open the door 3X but not brave enough to tap 3 digits on her phone.
She heard the victims saying "there's someone here" ,she saw the suspect coming out from one of the rooms victims, she was so scared to react quickly, but the fact she waited 8 hours to call her friends instead the police, stunned me 😐
Yes and if she was worried about making a mountain out of a mole hill why didn't she text the victims themselves? She would've had all the vics phone nums , all she could've text was" are yous ok" who was that bloke" i think she was just used to living in a busy party house.
My understanding is the roomie opened her door and saw a black clad person with a mask on skulking in the hallway. I don't recall roomie saying she actually saw him coming out of a room. And how could roomie see a person coming out of a bedroom on the second or third floor when roomies bedroom is on the first floor which is the floor below the incident??
She is an idiot at the very least.
Daisymaisy, how do you know that she has their phonenumbers? But I agree that the whole story with the surviving roommates is changing by the day.
Even if she didn't have her cell phone handy and locked herself in the room. Couldn't she still have shouted out that she phoned the police and there on the way. He wasn't to know if she had her phone or not. He might have panicked and left so it would have giving her time to try and help the victims. Or get neighbours up to phone the police. Strange how she didn't do a thing to check her friends. I can't figure out how someone would target a party house to kill people knowing theres people coming and going all the time.🤔
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No one is too traumatized to call 911 for 8 hours. No one.
I think it's safe to say she didn't think this would happen... she prob thought it was the frat house being annoying when she was trying to sleep.
What trauma is this doctor talking about? She didn't experience any trauma until she checked on them 8 hours later. I agree somethings not right with her story.
It does not make sense. Why did Dylan open her door 3x as if she finds something strange or suspicious? Keep in mind they’re not roomies but best of friends. So why didn’t she check on them, call them or even call the cops. It was early morning 3-4 am lights out…clearly it wasn’t a party and she sees a man wearing all black and a mask! Come on now!
she* dylan’s a girl
@@TMLBertie yes she is. I fixed the typo.
St000pid, drunk, drugged up, or in on it.
We don't know What all she did or seen ...wait for trial
@@lisapletsch5846 go read affidavit ...when Dylan's interview ...the whole next page is missing...there's more ...page # 19 I think
Trauma = seeing someone leaving your house. Really? She doesn't know what happened. She has no idea that murder took place. What trauma?
The dog is barking, crying is heard, a thump is heard, a voice she can't identify is heard. She opens her door and looks out three times, sees a mask, black suited man coming towards her, headed through the house towards a door. She is alarmed enough to lock herself in her room. She then waits 8 hours to call the police. Naaaaaaa, I'm not buying it. There is more to this story.
Who actually cares if you buy it or not?
I just get this feeling that she was in on it. I very well could be wrong... but to wait 8 hours? is like saying I want to make sure they're dead before I call the cops. I mean wouldnt you want to try to save your *friends" life? I get being scared, I would be too, but as soon as I knew he was out of the house, my hand wouldve reach for the phone and called for help.
And why would he let her live? knowing that she looked right at him? Something isn't adding up.
@patricia S clearly you care enough, now run along dear and go play in traffic 🚙 🏃♀️
That girl completely threw the possibility of her friends’ survival completely out the window & I hope she realizes that. Worst roommate of all time.
I mean ever heard of self preservation? If she actually did think people were being attacked that way do you think a very thin petite girl would run out to get killed herself? You are also thinking she was best friends with them. I didn’t see her initials in the tattoo they all had and she didn’t.
@@pattyhaynes4560 Lol its not that people were expecting her to fight him. If she called 911 at a reasonable time there could've been a possibility of saving a life.
They called friends but not the police? Makes no freakin SENSE!
It’s totally unacceptable. I understand she froze but not for 8 hours. And if you can call friends you can call the cops. It’s infuriating
I once swore I was witnessing a crime where I froze in place in fear of being seen by the perpetrator. Once I was sure I was safe, and the threat was gone, I rushed out of there and texted my friend to confirm if I should call the cops on it. In my case, it was a huge misunderstanding. There was no crime, just someone acting extremely shady and me and my friend were able to confirm that without me calling the cops. I can totally imagine DM texting her friend to tell them what she saw and ask if she should call the cops on it. In her case, it was a huge mistake not to. Seems to me like anonymous people in and out of the house is so commonplace that she or her friend could've talked themselves down from calling the cops. Outside of this, she is not under suspicion by law enforcement.
Maybe she was scared to call the police.
Yeah and that house had to have been so bloody. Yet calling the police for an unconscious person. No I don't buy her excuse at all. May she be haunted by this the rest of her life.
I just pray she didn't take pics before contacting 911
I don't get how somebody sees a masked man in her house and says she didn't call 911 due her shock. But she goes back to bed and sleeps? What? How come you are scared with a stranger in your house but fall asleep anyway?
She saw no dead bodies, she lived in a party house, it was common to have people in the home. So there was no trauma at 4am unless she is lying. And I think she is with holding information.
You don’t check the hallway 3 times concerned, hear the crying of your roommate with male voice attempting to soothe them, and some random dude leaving your house without checking in with your friends physically, sending them a text or call. There was a loud thud reported by neighbors. The dog was barking. It doesn’t line up.
she needs to be sentenced for involuntary manslaughter!she let her so called friends die, maybe 1 or 2 of them could have survived if they received the proper help from medical services
in·vol·un·tar·y man·slaugh·ter
noun LAW
the crime of killing another human being unlawfully but unintentionally.
4 students at a Idaho college getting murdered by a PhD criminology student from Pullman Washington doesn’t line up either but guess what. It happened. Also he’s getting the death penalty and if he ever gets outta solitary confinement in idahos prison he will most likely get killed by other inmates before his sentence
Maybe she thought it was a lovers quarrel and was minding her business because I believe if she had investigated the crying, she might have been the 5th victim
Do we know who said “I’m going to help you”? Was it the victim or killer?
.glad you think you know what you would do but I PROMISE you that you have no idea what you would do. Oh and maybe do some research on the mind while in a state of shock during a traumatic event before publicly tearing this girl apart. Oh wait, that's too much work for you to do. You would rather come to a sm platform with thousands of people reading your comment to say this young lady was wrong for the way she did or didn't do. It's not like she is going through enough about her decisions so you got to keep digging the knife into her. I'm so tired of people sitting on the sidelines judging what others do. You have no idea what you would do and to be fair you have no idea exactly what she did.
8 hours is a very very very long time to wait, I wonder what all we are missing.
Same here its strange
My guess is her phone wasn't in her possession and she barricaded herself after seeing intruder then hid for 8 hours.
@@mhalbe1984 I guess that's possible!
@@mhalbe1984 I agree but why call her friends and not 911 . I don’t mean that to sound harsh because I can’t imagine and no one knows what they would do. We just have to wait for all the facts to come out . I do feel bad for her too .
@@kjh6903 yeah I don't know. But I don't think it's worth stressing over.
These kids were living their lives and preyed upon by a vile monster. Prayers go out to the victims, survivors in the home & the families.
This is horrific circumstances
Thank you so much for your prayers!
Nah .. roommates did it maybe
@@lilasnow1531 Whomever did this, it’s screwed up!
I thought it was extremely odd that the roommate didn’t immediately call 911. It’s bizarre 😳😳😳
Look at what you cal yourself: PTSD SUCKS. Then, you still question why she might hav been traumatized?
If she didn't know he brutally killed four roommates, what was her trauma about?
About a guy cladded in black leaving the house?
Facts
Exactly
I am anxious to know what made her so frozen because she only saw the masked guy and didn't see anything actually happen just a thought
Come back after a brush with death.
It's called SURVIVORS GUILT.
Edit:(i see the below comments) and
I didn't know they were referring to prior.
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With that said, even still, no one expects that their is a deranged killer knifing your roomies! Give the girl a break for crying out loud.
She didn't freeze,she locked herself in her room. She didn't think any thing was wrong,but locked herself in her room? She didn't think anything was wrong,but went into shock out of fear? Fear of what? I thought nothing was wrong. None of this makes sense. She could have tried to call her roomies from her cell,from her locked room, then police. She went to bed.
Exactly
She must of been high or drunk out here mind......because If she wasn't then she really needs to answer them questions...the affidavit actually says that he walked towards her then past her.....
YOU do not know what that young woman experienced. Just stop! Go get a hobby or a job! The people saying what she should have done have no clue how they would react in the middle of a massacre!
Exactly, the ding dong has selective stranger danger. I don't believe her. The other parents shouldn't either. No older adult would get away with that defence. She needs to be interrogated. I think the blondes got more attention, were more popular than her. Some people would not call 911 for you, out of jealousy, the inability to care!
I know I wouldn't be able to sleep for 8 hours before reporting it. Supposedly she didn't know a massacre happened at the time. She didn't check. On one hand she said she was frozen with fear. On the other it might just be a dude in all black,using the sliding door hanging out with my roomates. Which one? I wonder if when BK was arrested, and he asked if anyone else had been, if he wasn't talking about her. Her reaction doesn't make sense. She didn't need to rush to call the police,she could have tried any of the 3 roomates. Fishy. She could of been buying her killer boyfriend some time. She could have been in shock because she knew what happened,he told her.
If she heard a sound of someone's CRYING at 4:17 am and opened the door for the third times and see him leaving, that mean that in 4:17 when he left , one of the victims was still alive that the roommate heard crying, that mean she could go there and maybe save them or see if one of them was still alive or call the police that second that he left to come to see if one of them was still alive, she absolutely could do something but she did nothing and sleep and let them die, i think she at least could have maybe save one of them, and i think she is responsible. Don't just say she was shocked, she could do something for them if she go there and check on them or called the police.
You are correct. Now the powers that be are banning people on SM to speculate on why dm did NOTHING
I've been told it only takes 5 minutes for a person to bleed out to the point of loosing too much blood to be saved-I truly think there was no way anyone would have been able to save those roommates with multiple gashes from that type of knife. Bryan wanted them to all die and to die quickly. Now, that being said, if I were Dylan, I would struggle with guilt of not trying to help them for the rest of my life, even though they wouldn't have been able to be saved. But at the same time, had she gone into the room right after he left, she likely just would have completely passed out and not have been able to try to help anyway because she wasn't mentally or physically prepared to handle something like that.
I agree. It amazes me she wasn't arrested
Why would she be arrested? She didn't do the crime. Stop judging her. I already said it here, it's easier said than done. Yes! Fight, flight or freeze. She froze. But, it were me, I wouldn't wait 8 hours to call 911. That I would question too. But, don't hate her. Have empathy. She was probably scared to be heard by the murderer if she made a phone call. She was probably thinking, he will kill her too. Now, someone said: BK was probably in a hurry to get out, so he didn't kill DM. I agree to that comment. But, please stop! What if you were the roommate? Would you wanna be judged. 💔🙏🙏🙏
Exactly
yeah, if she thought she heard a scream, someone say "someones in the house," you hear an unknown male say "it will be alright," watch him leave, and not call the police right THEN?! even if scared to leave the room, call the cops!
Easiest question ever. They were involved. They let the killer inside.
Had to cause at the beginning they said the killer had to of known the lay out of the house
@@Monst3r614 But could easily have attended a house party in previous months of stalking them.
So they set it up but didn't get rid of evidence like the knife sheath? Yeah right.
@@LuvThyMind29 he walked past this roommates bedroom at the front of the hall to go to the back bedroom to kill someone. Furthermore, if she could see he had bushy eyebrows then he saw her. In what universe does the killer not then proceed to eliminate the witness. Especially a killer that studies crime.
@@voltron42o What does that have anything to do with my comment? Again, he may know the layout because he had been to house parties there.
The not calling 911 for 8 hours, I just can’t get past that. I’m eager to see what information comes out in court. No hate, I just find that extremely bizarre, especially after hearing what she heard. I just can’t wrap my mind around that.
But she was able to call friends the next morning.
Odd, that would be the first and only time in the history of the world that someone is "too shocked" to call anyone and yet also manages to fall asleep. And remembers everything, so obviously wasn't that intoxicated.
They are assuming that no one else has ever been in shock when coming across a crime scene? Er, they are. But they still call. I've listened to hundreds of first responder witness calls (family massacres, Travis Alexanders roommates etc) funny how they managed to call.
She didn’t come across the crime scene all she said was she seen someone leaving the house. So u mean to tell me she was so traumatized by seeing an intruder she couldn’t call the police. Apparently in the police call she said they looked unconscious. So if she didn’t know they were dead then they are saying she was too traumatized to call the police for an intruder ?? Something is off with her story big time . First time in history someone is so traumatized at an intruder they couldn’t call the police but go to sleep
Honestly, it disturbs me. 8 hours. She could have saved their lives. She should be charged as well.
He said to her I here to help you what
Even little kids call 911🙄🙄🙄
This is beyond bizarre. Last time I checked when 4 people are stabbed there's lots of screaming. OMG. WTH
What trauma exactly did D.M. experience? She supposedly only saw a man walking past her. In a known college party house how would that qualify as trauma? No, I think she may have seen more than what they're releasing. Something that caused her to go into shock.
She may have gone up the stairs and seen Ethan dead when he was in the room with Xana, she probably ran back down and peeked thru until she saw him leave, and then maybe just went into shock
Her room was on the 2nd floor. Just feet away from Xanas room
She froze for 8 hours ????? I call BS on that ..had to be more or she was partying and passed out thinking he was in the house visiting with someone who lived there because people coming and going might have happened often maybe ??
May not have included all the info she provided in the affidavit, too.
EXACTLY!!
Nope. This roommate was not too freaked out to go back to sleep. Something is off.
🤙
Maybe she passed out
Yeah... so, so weird...
Have you ever been drunk? Under the influence? I have lol I'm sober now but from much experience I can say, that a party house like this I'm not at all shocked. I'm only saying this bc some people really haven't experienced the "party life." Which isn't a bad thing.
What a "normal" person would have done.... hindsight 20/20.
@@TeaSpiracy I’ve been to about 50 house parties in 15 years and never once has ever anyone been slaughtered. And if there is a fight - which there were many later in the night - most people would wake up - go check - break up fight. No matter how drunk they were!
Makes no sense at all why she didn’t call police She could’ve possibly saved her friends from bleeding out and got the killer the same night. I just don’t understand how she fell back to sleep after hearing and seeing what she did and then didn’t wake up until noon. Weird af.
agreed
STOP!!
It’s easy to judge in hindsight.
Me Too. So weird. Can Not Understand Why she did no call 911 at that time?.
We were not there we will not know why she didn’t do what we thing we would have done. She will ask herself this everyday for the rest of her life.
WHY WOULD SHE NOT CALL 911 IMMEDIATELY IF ONLY TO PROTECT HERSELF? HARD TO EXPLAIN THAT WITH THEORIES!
lol. it isn't.
what college did you go to?
@@ViniDiMambro it is!
Why does his college matter?
@@SanketKulkarni10 because anyone who lived in off campus housing with a few roommates knows there's not a single thing that girl observed or heard that would warrant a call to LE. someone crying after a night out drinking? an encounter with one of your roommates friends whom you've never met before. y'all are processing your hindsight perspective with that absolute knowledge that unthinkable murders took place. if you don't know, you're not just going to assume. no one cried out for help from a source, outside of their space.
not to mention, even if she had somehow believed with certainty something terrible had happened, the mind does not operate in its normal fashion, while processing trauma.
There is still a very big piece of the puzzle missing here
The roommate waited to call she could have saved lives she saw the killer and waited til almost noon the next day to call. I would be livid if I were victims parents, she called friends over but not police ? She’s negligent and failed to report a crime.
I actually think this is a lie to find themselves a person to convict. First they said both survivors were drunk and passed out. Now all of a sudden one of them saw the iller and sat behind a locked door for 8 hours listening to the same screaming that the neighbor heard and not call 911. This whole case is a lie to protect those girls.
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Nothing on the probable cause affidavit said she called friends 1st
@@brittneaorullian9774 friends were called 1st. It was reported in the beginning in the news when they haven’t found the suspect yet.
I read several reports that no matter what, they roommates had survived if the roommate would have called the cops right away. The victims pretty much does instantly
The fact that the surviving roomate hears a Scream or cry and she seen a clad person who just fled the house and doesn't call 911, but hours later she calls her friends 1st after all this, this all seem Strange.
The affidavit doesn’t say she heard a scream; it says she thought she heard crying.
you ain't a cop. you're just a random youtube arm chair detective who thinks he's onto something. Sit down, little boy. the police know what they are doing
If she would’ve called 911 asap when he left She would’ve saved her roommates ☝️ Not hours later 😓
She had nothing to do with her roommates dying. Don’t take any of the blame away from Bryan Kholberger. He, and he alone, is to blame. Also, it is very likely that all four were dead by the time the BK left the house.
@@alextabet9247 it is very likely? Who are you to say that? Are you a doctor? Many people have survived multiple stabbings because of rapid medical help. Even 50 cent survived 9 gunshot wounds because medical help arrived on time to save him.
Shocking indeed! She could've even texted someone about what she had seen if a call was too much to make!
Maybe she did and that person talked her down from what that person thought was paranoia. Also who is up at 4am answering their phones? Maybe some people maybe none. Maybe she even texted the roommate downstairs who said she hadn’t heard a thing to go back to bed.
The way young people behave nowadays. You'd think she'd at least post a tiktok, something
@@Whyducry Elaine please. Get a grip
@@Whyducry If she heard her roommates voices... then her roommates would be up... smart guy. You know who else is up at 4am answering their phones? 911
I'm sick of all these comments saying, "You don't know how someone would act in that situation"
I know that in traumatic situations victims have a hard time remembering details because the brain blocks everything out for survival instincts.
If she had any reason what-so-ever to keep a mental note about something strange at 4 a.m. Even just one. Let alone multiple reasons. She should have called police or very least texted her roommates.
She had trauma enough to blank out or 'freeze' for 8hrs not calling police, but still remembers so much detail and called friends first?
It just don't make sense.
I've went through a break-in while being home and it is very very scary. It was absolutely traumatizing. With that being said. I don't believe the roommate's story. My opinion based off personal experience.
It makes perfect sense.
It’s a party house. The strange guy startled her but she didn’t know he killed anyone.
She locked her door & went to sleep like a normal person
How do you know she didn’t text her roommates?
Yesss that’s how I feel!! There is NO excuse for her behavior. You admit you are traumatized and see and heard all she did but go back to your room for hours. What the heck did she think was going on. Those screams were not screams of partying. They were being stabbed with a hunters knife. So I’m sorry those surviving roomates have more explaining to do.
@@bkasmr6996 She didn’t hear any screams. Why would she think anyone was being murdered?? She she lived in a party house strange people there all the time.
The guy startled her and she locked her door and went to sleep like a normal person.
I agree, as for what I would have done ... but I have the advantage of safety and foresight...
Someone made a very good point in comments on another channel....so, from 4:30-11:58 DM didn't have to use the bathroom? I found that very interesting. Everyone in that house was drinking that night. The bathroom was next to Xanas room. What female do you know isn't going to use the bathroom for 8 hours after consuming alcohol? Doesn't add up. The more you think about it, the more it makes no sense. You hear whimpering or crying but you don't check to see if your friend is OK? You see someone leave after you hear things and still don't check on your friends? Add the bathroom into it, and it doesn't make sense.
I made the same point last week.
After a night of drinking, sooner or later you got to pee.
Right?? That's even more suspicious than whatever excuse there is for not calling 911.
She had to walk the killer's path to xanas room to get to the bathroom, blood is sticky, and dirt is gritty, I wouldn't be jumping into bed after feeling that on my feet.
You can go up to 8hrs without using the restroom
@@erlandeceus4531 no you cannot, have you never been drunk, dear?
I have seen earthquake víctims in shock in collapsed buildings CALLING FAMILY or FRIENDS !!!
Not WAITING for 8 HOURS !!!
As followers of this case we need to know how the girl who faced the alleged killer waited until noon before 911call was made that is bizarre
Nice another 'demand' from the 'public' aka 'followers' stfu/get out the way smfh
The fact that people are attacking her for not calling 911 sooner is disgusting. If she thought her life was in danger, she would have called for help. She either assumed she had simply been startled by the friend of a roommate, or she was too terrified to do anything. Either way, it's not her fault. The coroner said they died quickly and would not have survived even with medical intervention. She is a victim and a survivor and deserves respect and support. The person to hate is the violent killer who committed the murders. Shame on FOX for framing this story in such a way that it blames an innocent young lady.
I think the fact that she locked her own door after seeing/ hearing danger in the home with her phone says it all. This means she was NOT frozen in fear...but thinking pretty clearly.
@@wildflower1397 i hate to say this but apparently you don't know the whole story of what she did. I live in Idaho & the run down was absolutely unthinkable on her part. She locked her door after she knew of this with her phone behind locked doors..really what she did should be criminal. But your very kind & i love the name you go by..so i understand why this upsets you but the truth is she knew & didn't help in any way. Fact.
@@wildflower1397 yes, shes a victim. But, waiting 8 hours and the first thing she does once she sees the bodys is call friends instead?!?!? Kinda weird.
These “survivors” were given phones by their parents when they were 10 years old FOR EMERGENCIES, not to peddle themselves on TikTok and Instagram. The fact they waited 8 hours to call the cops after they called all their friends to come over (??) and mess up the crime scene is egregious. They are NOT children. They’re adults who should be held accountable for their actions.
How do you know she called her friends first?
Well that’s today’s college students for you . Most of them can’t even change a flat tire or boil an egg
The parents did everything for them
Look at the killer, a 28 year old student lol dude is almost 30 , never had a job but hey he’s a student
All that studying sent him off
@@rebelarchangel1589 IKR...almost 25 years of education to become a notorious mass killer!
Thank you. I've been saying that since the beginning. I'm sick of everyone making excuses 4 her. "Leave her awone, she's just a poow widdle girl" smdh
@@rebelarchangel1589 I had a high school intern mail our holiday cards and he put the stamp on the upper, left corner of the envelope (all 100 of them). It was so satisfying watching him un-post the 100 cards and do it the right way. LOL. There is no excuse for dumb today with the internet at hand.
I think the roommates know more than they’re letting on
They likely heard what was among the most brutal of brutal murders and that’s enough to send any human into a state of shock. It probably froze them up for what probably felt like days.
I would have come out that room with a 45acp looking for that scumbag Bryan but I was in the military so it's natural for me to defend and seek out the enemy also im not afraid to be injured or die...
The arrest affidavit only gives the bare minimum needed to get an arrest warrent. There is likely a lot of info, including her story, that won't be released until trial.
@@wildflower1397 I talked with some really high up people and let me tell you there is going to be some high up defense lawyers defending this killer and creating reasonable doubt in the Jury's minds.....this could go either way, also was told Bryan absolutely will NOT plea deal.
@@ironjohn5914 Of course there will be good defense counsel. They all want the publicity from the trial to bump up their exposure and careers. With the local police, state police, and FBI all involved, I suspect they have a very strong case or they wouldn't have charged him. With his personality, I would be very surprised if he took a plea deal, because I think he wants to experience the trial and see if he can get away with it. Also, the families have already pushed for the death penalty, so they won't support a plea deal. I hope justice is done, and I hope we will learn more about mass murderers from this case. Wouldn't it be nice if his background in criminology allows us to learn something that might prevent more murders in the future?
They keep saying she experienced trauma. How traumatic is it to see someone in clad black clothing leaving your house. From what I’ve been hearing she didn’t know they were dead until 11:58 am so all that she was traumatized talk is out the window. She didn’t know they were dead at 4:17 am so what was she traumatized about?
I think the trauma came after she realized they were dead…. Unless she saw blood on him but even then that should alert you to call the police. Maybe she locked herself in her room and went back to bed. Living with roommates typically everyone minds their business. Maybe it wasn’t until the next morning they woke up and went to the kitchen area and saw the victims.
@Jose Stickman so if it was normal then why was she frozen with fear ?
@@vivianbanks7866 so why was she frozen with fear by seeing a masked man in her house and not call the police and when she did call the police after she seen them she said they were unconscious?
@Jose Stickman if she was drunk, she shouldn't have come up with such an outlandish story and just said so. It sounds like she was trying to cover for someone with a big fat lie.
@Jose Stickman according to the affidavit and timeline of events, she had no idea anyone was hurt, let alone butchered, but was frozen in fear just because a man wearing a face covering walked by her? Timeline said she didn't know anyone was dead for over 7 hours later. Weird, strange story.
What I don't understand is why nobody is questioning:
If the roommate saw him holding a knife or anything else?
Did he have any blood on him?
How do we know if the roommate was traumatized when we only are told she saw him walking out?
Did she see the dead body?
Did she see him killing in action?
What did she know?
These are very important questions to ask, so that we could figure out if the roommate was aware of urgency to contact police. Maybe it was even possible to save some of the victims if she called police immediately. Maybe police could have caught the guy on the same day if she contacted them immediately.
Is media so stupid or do they think their viewers are so stupid? Pisses me off.
I smell suspiciousness all over this crime scene. The trail will open up these mysteries try and pin them as aiding the murder.
I don't think we will know all the details until during or after the trial.
@Koning somewhere is an interview I believe with Kaylee’s father or maybe it’s the police who said it but someone said that the girls woke up saw what had happened and ran outside , one was hysterical and hyperventilating and one had passed out.
@@Whyducry I didn't hear that anywhere. If that's true, I'd expect most media to talk about it too. I don't think that's true.
We have learned in this case what you don’t know is more important than what you do. I’m sure as time goes by we will learn more about the roommate and her reasons for not calling the police right away.
Well said
There are a few videos discussing the gag order put on the case a couple days ago. In one video, the one of the experts on the panel mentions the wording of the gag order, and it appears part of the wording alludes to protecting everyone from both physical harm and reputation as in there may be facts about the deceased or others that may taint their character. Something along those lines.
No it’s imperative that we know. Even a week before the murder we need to know.
I just don’t know what to think of that roommate
Girl say again. People are trying to make it look like she is being judge but I can't think pass her inability to call for help. It's jus sad that people can ignore you that much
Look for connections between the survived roommate and the killer , it’s possible she knew him and thats why she was so taken aback and didn’t know what to do for hours !!! And ofcourse he just walked past her without harming her??? Yeah nothing seems off here
Why room mate call 911 saying someone was unconscious if the crime scene was bloody?.
When she saw him she probably thought there were more people upstairs and lock the door. She probably wanted to wait a time for a time until she knew everyone was out of the house before she did anything. She was probably just afraid that they would come after her
She is the only one who saw him.
Who can verify her story?
What is she covering?
My thoughts exactly 👍💯
YEP strange
possibly they were running a drug house and she had to call friends to come get the drugs out. The van shoe print may be from someone other than the k i ller
Exactly!!
Herself? Her "boyfriend"?
Why did she call friends rather than police
Maybe it’s just me, but the fact that the roommate “D.M” described the suspect as “not muscular but having an athlete build” really stood out to me! I can’t imagine someone who said they were “frozen shocked” being able to describe a stranger, who they’ve never met, in the dark, under those circumstances, to that degree. Unless he was wearing a muscle or sleeveless shirt when she encountered him, I can’t understand how she was able to determine that he was not muscular. Just makes me wonder if she knew him prior to this incident because her description under the circumstances, almost seems too detailed for it to be a complete stranger.🤔
That just means he’s not fat and not muscular. Y’all need to get a hobby
No one knows it was dark, remember these are college kids, all of whom just came home from partying and and 4 were awake! Why does everyone assume it was dark? I can pretty much guarantee all the lights were on. Kaylee was playing with her dog. Kayla saying someone is here. Xana ordering door dash. The lights were on…
@@bryangalster7647 because supposedly he just walked right past her. Look at bodycam footage from that house. It's always completely dark outside. Meaning no lights from even outside would leak in. Obviously if she turned on a light at 4 in the morning, it would have signaled to the killer someone else was inside the house. Elementary sleuth deduction
I'll help you understand. It would have been a long process of working with the girl, calming her, having a counselor on hand, until she was able to articulate details. She didn't just blurt them out. I can't understand why you're being so hateful toward her ..... and yet, you say not a word about the brutal stabbing. Why is that?
@@bryangalster7647 If the light were on and he seen her and she him wouldn't he be still carrying the knife and wouldn't she see blood on the knife and on him and wouldn't she get a good view of him. So why would he just leave the house knowing a witness seen him.🤔
Some are brave some are cowards, you'll know who's a real friend when your in trouble.
& some just lie about everything to save their own hide
Why did the roommate *not check on her roomies within those 8 hours? She may have been able to save a life.
The unfortunate 4 bled to death ..🥺
I'm completely agree with you, that she could have saved their lives at least one of them , maybe the one that she heard crying at 4:17, if she go and check on them or called the police
Lived in party houses at times as a kid, roommates are not always a group of buddies and everyone pretty much fends for themselves - I never 'checked' on roommates, many places like this are revolving doors 24/7 - don't see a roomie for weeks fine just be around when rent due bruh
@Jose Stickman how many barrels of alcohol did she consume that she wasn’t able to make a 911 call 6-7 hours later?
@@jrey6186 yeah but if you listen to the hearers say this girl was supposed to be best buddies with one of the victims
It makes no sense why she would hear her roommates in distress and then see a masked man leave the house, and yet she decided to wait 7 hours to call her friends over instead of the cops. The cops need to check her phone records and see if she was in contact with the killer at all. It sounds like she might have been involved in some way.
I said that on my other acct but they deleted it. Been saying that sense day one.
And why did the call to the police only mention "an unconscious person"? There's no way any of these poor victims only looked unconscious 8 hours after being murdered.
I agree
It’s hilarious that the reporter states well no one knows a masked man in ya house would turn out to be a murderer! Wtf? No but any sane person seeing a masked man knows it isn’t right especially after what she reported to hear too
@@bootswiththefauxfur Interesting... She also made a statement that he had bushy eyebrows... How did she see his eyebrows if he was wearing a mask?! 😮
How could she be traumatized if didn't know her friends had been murdered?
WHAT TRAUMA? She didn't know he killed her 4 "friends".
Shouldn't that house remain a crime scene until after the trial?
If anything, the jury might need to pay it a visit
I don’t know because what if they hadn’t found the killer as of yet do they just let it sit therE until they do? I think it’s natural that at some point the home is cleaned. It might be years before this trial starts.
Absolutely
A person goes to college yet does not know what an emergency is or dial 911, even a 6 year old knows how.
I've been in an emergency situation, and I actually forgot how to call 911. I was in freak out mode. It really can happen.
shut up? clearly u never ever been in shock. u haven’t been in this situation
I think it never occurred to her what she really saw. At first she froze, but then guy left and all was quiet. She probably thought, “That’s really weird. Who was that? I’ll ask everyone in the in the morning”. In a safe, quiet neighborhood like that, her roommates having just been murdered was likely the last thing that would have ever occurred to her. She likely convinced herself there was an explanation.
She only knows how to press
@@matthewsilengo3276 assuming what she thought but when others make comments based on facts you are offended ?
Her name is Dylan. She accommodated her trauma by locking herself in her bedroom- fight; flight; freeze or fawn is the INITIAL response to trauma. Makes NO SENSE she didn’t call 911 for the next 8 hours. She didn’t text her friends to see if they were ok?? Very suspicious and disturbing
I agree with you 100%. I was attacked in my yard and after my attacker fled, my first instinct was to lock myself in my room, my second was to call the cops because I was so afraid he would come back. So for me its weird that she waited so long to call the cops. Further...ive heard the audio of Ethan screaming...how someone coukd hear that and not immediately call the cops i don't know. I also read that BK had asked if anyone else had been arrested....wonder if Dylan was somehow involved.
@Branwen YOU were attacked, Dylan wasn’t. She didn’t know her friends were murdered. She probably convinced herself that everyone was sleeping and she was being stupid for worrying. She probably tried texting or calling the other girls even and when they didn’t answer she probably thought they were asleep. I doubt her first instinct was “oh my gosh they’re not answering they’re all dead!”
@@branwengallagher6948 if she wasn't, she should at the very least get hit w reckless endangerment/ negligence. They could have been saved
Aww😢these poor people.
No parent should have to bury their babies. Speaking from experience 💔completely broken over this incredible loss of beautiful souls🙏
I’m so sorry you know that pain 💔 Sending you sincere love and prayers for peace♥️
l know the Ex...won't even tell me where our son is...3yrs August...bogus!
I have it from a high place cia source that the surviving fembot was in fact complicit in these " murders " !
It is grotesque.
I also don't understand why Dylan didn't even call the cell phones of the victims. These are your Sister's supposedly, your roommates .... if you're scared to leave your room to check on them ,wouldn't you call their cells to see if they are alive or if they need help? I feel like if you are scared for your life, you call 911 Emergency to save and protect you. You DO NOT call if you feel safe ,or you're giving your friend ( Bryan) time to get away. Bonnie & Clyde. His pings weren't stalking, it was Bryan visiting DM . That's my opinion.
If she knew the perp, the police would have seen right thru her. Didn't she say it was someone she didn't know as described in the affidavit
@@mariatsandman pca said she didn't say that she recognised him..weird way to phrase it
I think there may have been drugs in the house and she was scared to call the cops so she and her roommates don’t get into trouble for it especially that the cops were called to their house several times for noise complaints so maybe she was just worried the police wouldn’t trust her. She also didn’t realize that her 4 roommates just got stabbed to death so she wasn’t acting with that knowledge . She also could have thought that this guy isn’t too dangerous since he walked past her and didn’t harm her or even if she thought he was a threat, she saw him leave the house and thought they were okay now. Honesty we could make a million guesses but she’s the only one who can tell us why she didn’t call 911 quicker.
that's what I keep thinking late night meet ups 12 times it could only mean one thing. the lay out of the house is to unique just to stalk from the out side (unless they left doors unlocked at all times) I just feel that there is more. she watched him leave I would of called as fast as I could. I also understand the drama response thing who knows maybe she was robbed before and has ptsd from it, it could be so much.
Your assuming her phone was locked in the room with her. She wouldn't be able to call if her phone was charging in the lounge. For all we know she stood behind her locked door terrified for 8 hours, not daring to open the door in case the killer was waiting for her.
As I type this, my phone is charging... in the lounge. I've known plenty of flatmates to charge their phone in the lounge. Especially if you have a good relationship with your flatmates and spend a lot of time in the lounge.
Like other people I have no concept of how, a young woman that no doubt, had her phone within inches of her didn’t call for help or, alert someone at the time but, I also have no concept of how witnessing the boogey man in your house would impact you either. The fact that she heard her room mate whimpering or crying and someone say “it’s ok, I’m going to help you” is the reason it doesn’t sit well with me because, that indicated someone did need help and she was in a position, to call for that help. She is the only one that knows why she didn’t or couldn’t until 8 hours later. I would be haunted by the fact that maybe not everyone was dead when he left and that had I called for help even if, I was too terrified to leave my room, someone may have possibly survived.
She became traumatized after she found out what had happened.
This is a b4 & after situation.
@@idamarsillo7327sorry, I’m going to disagree and say, you think she was fine until she knew what happened? I truly think her behaviour probably indicates otherwise.
@@sassyess696 Can you explain which behavior.
I can’t believe if she heard whimpering and crying why she never checked on them? She might have been able to call for help and save any of them. Also he might have been caught sooner! It doesn’t make sense!!
She must have an incredibly low IQ, honestly.
You every lived with a bunch of collage kids partying, crying all night and bringing random guys all hours of the night? Probably not otherwise it would makes sense. The roommate was probably just used to it.
Stop It... If, she was a Man .. She would be labeled an Accomplice.... You seen the killer and Heard Dog and waited 8 Hours to call Police... 8 hours !! What was she doing for 8 hours in the Room.... Phone Chat... WTF
@@anthonytryon4425 Maybe other noises but not whimpering or crying, that would have gotten my attention!
Total BS when any person seeing a total stranger with a masked and can tell the cops what that person face looks like and hide in his room and don’t call 911.
yes. because in college you know everyone on your campus, the municipality your school is in, any neighboring campuses, and all of your housemates family and friends, so how could someone you've never seen before possibly end up inside your home?! 🙄
I was so scared that I closed my door and went to sleep when I got up I made eggs and then open my roommates door….wtf….she should be in jail
Thank you. I've been saying the same thing. All I know is if it would have been me living in that house & acted as she did, I would have had the book thrown at me
I am pretty sure the kid just wasn't thinking that something really bad like that could happen. She wasnt prepared to deal with something like that.
I agree she probably convinced herself it was nothing or maybe she even called the roommate downstairs and she told her she didn’t hear anything and stop being dramatic and go back to bed. I’m sure that’s what most people would say because they’re half asleep at 4am. Something to that effect anyways.
There's much more to this than we are being told-I don't think the police want us to know more about what Dylan saw or what happened because they need that all to stay private while they are building their prosecution. The less information Bryan's team has about what a witness is going to say, the better. We will find out after the trial.
Exactly. It’s amazing how everyone acts like not only have they been in this exact situation so her actions are invalid but also that they have all the facts to make this decision about her actions. We know nothing! We literally were blown away by this info because they did such a great job of keeping everything quiet. We know nothing!
Yes I agree with you I think that they are more than we know about this and we may find out what happened in time because I think that he has done this before now
I think they kept it hush hush to protect Dylan. People forget that this girl came face to face with a murderer and could possibly be the only witness who could give a shred of description. They probably have kept this quiet to not let the killer know that Dylan saw him in order to protect her as well as the case .
And why was his first words to the police ....has anybody else been arrested ???
There was two of them why didn't Bethany call 911. Why wait 8 hrs and call friends instead of 911. How did they know they were all dead if they did not check on them
If she would have called 911 some of the roommates might have been saved
I was thinking the same. Time is key.
Very doubtful
They had all been stabbed multiple times and I very much doubt any of them could have been saved even if the world's best surgeon had been standing out in the hallway.
@@gbrown932 also if she had called 911 the killer might have been caught that same night
The coroner said they couldn't have been saved.
Hmmm I am not buying the " trauma " excuse as to not ringing 911 for another 7 hours. You see someone in your house " leaving" you get on the phone immediately. She has only seen a person not a crime scene, no dead bodies. I really think they need to look into that BIG TIME.
I agree with you Lynda. Totally.
Exactly, what would of stopped him coming back & attacking her. At least by calling/texting the Police she would of known they were on their way. It doesnt make sense that she thought she would be safer climbing back into bed & going to sleep.
When my family was killed in Colombia many years ago I was at the same home where they were killed I survived this massacre. I never called police I was unable to think or process or even walk I was paralyzed a neighbor called police and helped me this can only be understood when you experience it in the flesh. Please be kind and gentle with this child that survived this horrible experience because her life won’t be the same again.
I’m sorry for what you went through. I mean that sincerely. That being said, I know that no matter how scared I was , I would know that I had to get help Most people would have enough sense and concern to make the call. And she is not a child. She is a young college woman. Even a child calls 911.
If she simply "slept through it all" how do you say she experienced something horrible and her life will never be the same? People in the military, law enforcement, emergency rooms and first responders experience 100X more trauma witnessing injuries and death than this person. And, from her "quick response" with contacting her friends before the police, she tells us all we need to know about her "brain freeze".
She was in a locked room, with a phone, then she was able to relax her nervous system enough to sleep deeper than most working adults do? NOPE. Not how trauma works, sorry, I have PTSD, I know the insomnia that comes with anxiety/panic states, this is so incredibly stupid. I've experienced a FREEZE in shock of seeing violence but you quickly snap out of it and realize if you do nothing you'll allow somebody to die or get maimed, I took action even as a child, don't tell me an adult woman was so terrified she simply forgot her phone existed. If you're in a state of panic, then you're not sleeping. It's one or the other.
This isn't Colombia, US citizens know the police are easily reachable, people carry cell phones with them 24/7, and they most CERTAINLY do not climb into bed and sleep all day when a potential killer was literally right in front of your bedroom door.
If she was freezing, she would've shown no response, instead she showed a typical response of locking the door, Any normal trauma response would've been to lock and barricade the door, call police immediately and grab a defensive weapon. The moment she closed and locked the door, it revealed she wasn't in a catatonic state but was in fact aware of the dangerous threat and capable of responding protectively. In other words, she 100% was not frozen with fear, but actively responding to her fear, aware of and feeling fear, yet she slept in all day? Didn't call or text the roommates? Didn't call out to them? Didn't ask, hey who is that the creep in the mask roaming around at 4 in the morning?
@@KvltKommandoshe was also drunk. Being drunk and in intense fear can and does make a person pass out. That would explain why she went into a 'deeper' sleep. These girls binge drank a lot. Alcohol doesn't make you rational. Her mind wasn't in its normal state when all this happened. She also could have been extremely drunk when it happened. In bed initially to sleep it off. People forget the drunkness of the 4 murdered also made them easier to kill. This is a nightmare, the fact they were all drunk makes it worse. None of them stood a chance. None of them would have defended themselves properly or thought logically in this situation due to alcohol.
@@KvltKommandoyou can still realise you are in danger when drunk. Her reaction was likely influence by drink. Locked the door and passed out due to fear and the alchol making it worse.
What was the trauma? She did not see any murder when she so called froze up... the roommates were not seen until the next morning. Her story makes zero sense
The whole thing is quite bizarre .. she had a cell phone so any rational person would have immediately called police. Did she fall asleep? I find that hard to believe given what she heard and saw. Was she involved? I find it strange that there are reports that Kohberger asked if anyone else was arrested. I hope that her behavior is explained in court and she definitely owes an explanation to the parents of the victims.
@Leslie thats me or maybe he was seeing if his parents or anyone was arrested for being an accessory after the fact. The entire nation was looking for that Hyundai Elantra and his parents had to have seen the news and knew they were continuously looking for that car and that he lived 9 miles away! And why did his Dad ride all of the way back home with him? You’d have to notice a difference in his behavior! Although I do feel for the parents, I still wonder if they at least suspected something wasn’t right
I just feel like people are underestimating overpowering terror that comes with hearing the cries of death. I find it hard to believe that she didn’t hear anything and once she did she went into a fight or flight and was completely disoriented.
They messed up. The defence team can argue she had no reason to fear, until questioned by the police. The prosecution will have a hard time with this girls lack of common sense, stranger danger, and the FACT she had no clue what had happened, until 8 hours later. A five year old is smarter than this girl.
@@lightspeednate that is not going to save you in court. The moment the defense can link they know each other its going to be messy. These 2 could have aided him and decided to act dumb and scared. What are they going to say that they did not aid the murder????
Children in school shooting can call but she can't even do that??
And what was she doing in the room for 8h???? Why only ring at midday?? Any thing she says in court like i fainted or froze is going to be rip apart.
Every single question will be examine from every angle possible to make sure these 2 surivor did not aid in the murder.
I don’t get it either, but we don’t get any solid details. We don’t see her speak. My first guess was that she was in on it but just looking at HIS face..? I can’t really see anyone wanting to mingle with him.
There is no way that she didn’t hear that something was terribly wrong after hearing that out of the ordinary cry of death. Why did she lock herself in and why would she be traumatized/froze if she didn’t perceive extreme danger? Why didn’t she call 911 or campus security? Why didn’t she text/call to check up on her roommates to make sure they were ok?
Also very important to remember that what we know about her behavior that night is her own side of the story which could be coached by her lawyer or modified to protect herself. The major question on any rational mind is was her behaviors in an attempt to protect or hide something.
well its all speculation until her side is told and the truth is unveiled but in my opinion its very likely she just didnt put two and two together that the crying represented someone dying rather someone scared. these are all young college students who were pretty close and dont seem to have violence or crime any where near their reality. who knows what went through her mind. girls love the serial killer shows so she possibly thought she was only safe locked in her room and as to why she didnt call till later id speculate in the waiting for something to happen she dozed off and woke up a few hours later realizing it was eerily quiet and discovered her friends barricaded in the room and unresponsive and called friends over to help her not realizing how serious the situation was. one death let alone 4 people you live with is no where near anyones mind. they all had locks on their door. you just have to wait till all the information is available. for example we still dont know where exactly the bodies laid at and where the initial attacks accorded or really much of any of the information regarding what transpired between the victims and the perpetrator. dont draw presumptuous conclusions. please put yourself in her position and think innocent until proven guilty. give them the benefit of the doubt and let the state prove one way or the other. rumors dont help no one especially someone who just had 4 friends die by the hand of a man she saw leave from killing her friends and she for whatever reason wasnt able to call or come to the decision police were needed. that must be very hard to speculate whether or not the deciding factor of her friends lives was if she called police in time. if any of them could of lived shes gonna be suicidal from survivors guilt and needs support not rumors.
The neighbor said he heard screaming so I know that she did too. She knew a stranger was in the house so she knew what the screaming was about. Those girls was in on this. If that were their parents house and they saw a stranger they wouldn't have been in shock for 8 straight hours and listened to them get slaughtered. They were in on this.
Yea! That was someone the survivor knew
It ain’t no way
@@fromtheheavenlyrealms8613 I thought it was weird she said she heard Xana crying but didn’t check on her . … 🤔
@@mac979s1 I never heard about that. So if she heard Zana crying, then she heard all of her friends screaming as the next door neighbor did and still didn't call police.
Mind you, first they reported that both survivors were passed out drunk. Smh
The immaturity of the surviving roommate calling friends over after finding her roommates stabbed and bloody then the 8 hour delay calling the police must have been to get rid of drugs and paraphernalia. It does not make the crime any less horrific or the killer less guilty of mass murder and deserving the death penalty.
Or clean up the crime scene that would have implicated her 🤔
I've read a lot of comments here and in my personal opinion, there are 3 conclusions to this story:
1) The roommate called her friends 8 hours after the murder and the incident got reported as an unconscious person upstairs in the house to completely throw the police off of the trail from having any thoughts that this roommate was involved. She wanted to portray herself in a light where she "doesn't know anything and is completely oblivious as to what happened that night". Also, waiting 7-8 hours gives plenty of time for the murderer to act according to plan, get rid of the evidence and build out his alibi.
2) The roommate is some weak-minded little girl that decided to chill in her room after she went into a panic mode from what she heard and saw in the house and therefore decided to wait 8 hours just to chill out and then call her friends rather than the police to check if everyone in the house was okay.
3) The roommate was afraid to call the police due to having drugs and alcohol in the house and she was too young to be drinking. She was afraid to go to jail, so she waited for 8 hours until the alcohol was out of her system.
My vote is that scenario #1 is most logical. What are your thoughts?
It will all backfire on her in court looking innocent is a weak defense.
I say theory 1
Theory #3
@@AC-yb2ee Theory 1
The police have already clarified that the person who was unconscious was one of the roommates, who fainted when she found the bodies. It was a friend she had called who called th police. I have no clue why she didn't check on everyone immediately but those are not the only 3 scenarios.
IMO there are many things with this case that does not add up something seriously wrong 🤔
YEP
Most common sense would dictate that at least one would check on her friend ( roommate) after they see the masked man leave to make sure they were ok! I have never heard of anyone just going to sleep & calling a friend the next day at noon! Most children even know to call the police and even check on the member in question. We can make excuses for such a total lack of care or concern but the truth is she knew something was wrong and instead of helping or calling for help she did absolutely nothing! She wasn't frozen in fear bc she locked her own door after hearing & seeing there was danger. This means she was thinking pretty clearly!
Exactly. She was negligent. They could all have been saved. At the very least she should be charged w reckless endangerment
@@edub9930 and within a few days after she got a new tattoo!! She saw him & heard enough to know there was danger in the home so she locked her door but had her phone!! I mean seriously people can make excuses to fit their narrative BUT this is fact based & to me it is absolutely strange & incomprehensible to say the least!
Stop It... If, she was a Man .. She would be labeled an Accomplice.... You seen the killer and Heard Dog and waited 8 Hours to call Police... 8 hours !! What was she doing for 8 hours in the Room.... Phone Chat... WTF
@@chasejordan8065 well people just want her actions to fit their narrative bc it is absolutely shocking to the mind that anyone could behave in such a way but the truth is exactly what you said. We make excuses for poor behavior instead of calling it out. What she did or failed to do is abhorrent. And within a few days she had a new tattoo...but yea she was " frozen in fear"!🙄
After the man walked out the back sliding glass door do you want to tell me that nobody went and locked the door afterwards after seeing him leaving and exiting no one went to double check it and lock it again then call 911
Right the, that house must have got awfully cold in November in Idaho with the door left wide open till noon the next day because the cops said the slider was open when they got there
Exactly this!
Two question I have is if the roommate heard crying a thud a makes voice then a man masked that scared her why didn’t she call her roommates and no answer call the police. They said she froze in fear.
The second question is if she was in fear why did she not only wait that long but tell 911 there was a unconscious person?
If she knew there was a unconscious person she had to see them and would know it’s much more than a unconscious person.
Did they do a check if there was any relationship going on with them?
She may be perfectly innocent but a unconscious person when they were covered in blood and White as a ghost at that point???!!!
EXACTLY!
How were 4 ppl stabbed one after the other, without any loud screams being heard by the two surviving roommates?? This is the most bizarre thing. Not to mention the 8 hours gap to call the police by the girl who saw the murderer... Also, who was the unconscious person that spurred the actual 911 call the next day?
Maybe he came into each of the two bedrooms with a gun pointed acting like he was just a regular burglar? Maybe he told them to say quiet and nobody would get hurt. Or maybe he had a stun gun and stunned them before they could wake up or get out of bed? I think just bc he used a knife for the crimes, doesn't necessarily mean that was his only weapon. He also could have sprayed them with MACE making it impossible for them to see, rendering them speechless.
I was attacked in my yard and after my attacker fled, my first instinct was to lock myself in my room, my second was to call the cops because I was so afraid he would come back. So for me its weird that she waited so long to call the cops. Further...ive heard the alleged audio of Ethan screaming...how someone could hear that and not immediately call the cops i don't know. I also read that BK had asked if anyone else had been arrested....wonder if Dylan was somehow involved.
The neighbors have audio on their ring cam and blood was leaking out of the house
You didn't hear alleged audio of Ethan screaming because it doesn't exist.
Right. I would call because i would be afraid he or them will come after me next. Me sitting in the room waiting it out for 8 hours doesnt help me or my friends. It makes sense for someone who is scared to call OR text for help.
Of course you would think so at least.. if there is an intruder in your house you hide and call for help ..
Exactly...wonder how he managed to kill 4 people in 8 minutes....personally, I think Kaylee and Madison were dead already...Bryan arrived to kill xana.and Ethan.....also wonder exactly what Dylan was afraid of...supposedly, the house waz a party scene 24/7, so why would it be unusual to see random people in the house....she heard more than what she's telling....
I also think is very strange that they lock themselves in their rooms, and miraculously survive..
I could be wrong but... I was a college kid once with roomates. We mind out own business when in our rooms like we're in an apartment. This house was known as a party house, so people coming in and out wasn't uncommon. Roommate heard some random crying (maybe she thought he broke up with said roomie or she was just upset) sees random dude leaving with black clothing, mask over his nose and mouth, could see his bushy eyebrows not being aggressive or trying to escape out of a window or anything. Sounds to me he was trying to leave like he was visiting someone secretly and didn't want to be seen. Roommate sees him leave (it's cold out, snowing there) closes her door and thinks whatever. The next day she hasn't heard a peep out of the roomies, it's noon, someone should have at least made a noise. Goes to check rooms- bam. This is just my observation of why she didn't call right away. Remember he stabbed them rather quickly while they were sleeping, he didn't have a gun.
She heard people awake though. One of the female victims was heard by her saying "someone's here." Then she heard crying and a male say "don't worry I will help you." Followed by more crying. When she saw him she "froze with fear." If you are freezing due to fear it's nothing you shrug off. I know I always creep around seeing if anyone is still here and if everyone is ok when I hear wierd crap.
They have discovered that they weren’t sleeping.
@@myTERAexperience I get that, but that's all she heard though. It just makes my story more accurate. Still doesn't mean someone or all of them were being stabbed to death.
@@chartmann43 Even if they weren't sleeping - if he killed them quickly then it still wouldn't matter. What if she was listening to music, minding her business? College kids literally are in their own world. I get it sounds weird but from what i've heard, seen, & read: I get why she didn't call, if she actually didn't know what was going on.
No. Pure excuses idgaf.
It doesn’t make sense because she said she heard what she heard and he walked past her and she froze then stayed in her room? If that’s the case where is the trauma when she didn’t know what happened and didn’t actually see them dead until when she called the police? That story doesn’t make sense and I can’t understand how they believe it so easily.
I feel like she had that terrified feeling like when someone behind you on the stairs and you run up or down(wherever your going) run outside or in a room with door locked. Having had police recently for noise complaints, probably not wanting more attention, also X got door dash at 4:00am I think.
Because she’s Caucasian.
I would imagine seeing a masked stranger clad in all black would be quite a shock for many people. And maybe she wasn't exactly sure what to make of the situation. Apparently this was a party house with people filing in and out all the time, esp since it was a weekend. Maybe she thought this was one the roommate's friends pulling a prank or something.
Ethan was a fratboy, so the stranger could have been one of his brothers messing around, she could have thought. Remember at the time she saw the killer, she apparently didn't know he had just killed her friends. She heard crying, but crying doesn't necessarily mean someone is being murdered. So maybe she did think that was weird, but figured it was none of her business or shrugged it off as one of those weird happenings common in party houses like theirs.
She then went to sleep and didn't wake up for several hours. This could also explain why she called friends first instead of police. Because she didn't know a quadruple murder had taken place. Think about it from her perspective, if the guy was a murderer, why didn't he kill her when he saw her and walked pass her? She was afterall a direct witness. Usually murderers are keen to not leave witnesses behind. So maybe that led to her thinking this was just some odd prank and so she called her friends over to talk about the weirdness of it all. The friends come over, they talk about it then go try to wake up the others to find out what the heck happened ... and that's when they realise the magnitude of the situation and called 911.
@@Nevermore13082 she was so terrified that she went to sleep? Still makes no sense
@@rg8162 bingo! (Also, she's female)
All he has to do is convince 1 juror that Dylan and Bethany could have been the killers.
Bad move DYLAN.
This is not an open-and-shut case at all. All sorts of opportunities for reasonable doubt. Gaping holes in that timeline, man.
They would have to throw out all the dna evidence against BK. But anything is possibly with a jury.
If DM would've called 911 ASAP, I believe that at least one of those victims could have been saved. Too bad DM froze for 8 hours.😕
Medical Examiner said no one could have been saved.
She's guilty of reckless endangerment and/or negligence at the very least & should be punished severly.
@@gsdkelly3372 that doesn't mean anything. Doctors hand out death sentences all the time only 2 be proven wrong. Her behavior borders on criminal negligence
why didnt she call the police IMMEDIATELY after seeing a stranger exit their dark home?! did she not have her phone in her room?!
If she heard a cry, someone was still alive. If she has made that call maybe she could save someone's life.
I think withholding judgement until all the facts are out on this is the best course. There must be more to all of this.
But I find it hard to understand,that how was the murderer able to murder all four students if they woke up and talked and noticed he was there? I thought the murderer did his murdering spree so quietly one by one that no one woke up? But if one or more woke up, were they so drunk that they couldn't react? None of them had time to scream for help?
The father who always speaks like to be in front of the camera, he should remain quiet and talk when the case go to trial. He should use his time to mourn his daughter, just saying. The roommate was not in the first floor, she was in the second floor , her room was in the same floor of two of the victims. We still don;t understand why it talk so long to call 911. It's a mystery to me.
U would think they be mourning their loved one , not talking in front of camera .
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From the first reports of them calling friends before 911 it was clear that these roomies are simply examples of the idiocy that is gen z. Completely incapable of making basic decisions and lacking what the rest of us understand to be the most basic aspects of common sense. The fight,flight,freeze defence is nonsense, it's rooted in adrenaline which wears off within an hour even in the most severe situations of trauma. The only way this could be explained is if she went into a straight up catatonic state, if so, this would be the second roomie lacking any instinct to call 911. I fear for our future!
Police probably told her what to say so they have more evidence against him. That's the only explanation.
Exactly!
AGREE. She could have texted her friends or family !! FISHY !!
And anyone with half a brain cell should plainly see that her explanation to the police was obviously sensible enough for her to not be culpable in any way. Even tho it’s not a crime to not report a crime there are exceptions when it comes to murder, rape, child abuse, etc. If the cops believed her to be at fault for anything they would have likely arrested her. All the pertinent information will come out in/by the trial so perhaps people should hold off on blaming her until they know what actually happened.
Absolutely insane ! I’ve been attacked because I have a logical question wtf didn’t she call 911 ?? How did she know she wasn’t next ? Everyone saying he didn’t see her ! But she seen him !!
Thankfully the adept reporter told us that it's not illegal to take criminology courses. She was so informative.
They need to tear that house down.
I am not only confused by why it took her so long to call 911, but why the initial 911 call came in as an "unconscious" party. Like, it's my understanding that their wounds were absolutely brutal and blood was seeping out of the walls of the house (because there was so much of it). How do you mistake that for an "unconscious" person?
I heard her or the other surviving roommate fainted from the sight of the murders and that's why the initial call was an unconscious person
@@emilykj23 Thanks for sharing that. I hadn't heard that yet.
@@emilykj23 So, you re telling me she saw the other girl fainted on the ground but didn't see reason why she fainted right in front of the body? The blood etc? right...
That is the language a police dispatcher uses, probably not the language she used when she made the call. A 911 transcript of the call would be illuminating.
@@madamwiperfluid My husband is a firefighter/paramedic and I've heard dispatch do both - either rather vague, or have come right out and stated if parties are deceased, so you could be spot on. And I agree, the 911 transcript could be very interesting.
Did the other roommate Bethany not give any statement? Where is her statement?
Interesting I guess we will find that out in court
You don't freeze up for 8 hours. If you're so scared how do you manage to call and text your friends and not the police.
How does a single man kill 4 people, without any of them calling out, or attempting to help their other friends?
He is accused of killing 4 Ppl and he went into court without any handcuffs or anything, they found a Lil bit of weed on me and I went to court in arm & leg shackles.? Wtf
I was shackled when they picked me up for forgetting to pay a speeding ticket.
But are you guys a phd criminology student? 😋😏😉 (for real: that's not fair)
not to sound like a jerk I was under the impression everyone else was asleep, but aren't smartphones able to text 911 instead of calling for help? I don't know what the reason is, but if someone was awake, afraid, saw and heard suspicious sounds why couldn't they text at least for help if they wanted to be more discreet and not talk instead waits 8 hours later 😳 This is so odd to me am I overreacting or what? Doesn't make any sense, omg 😳
Perhaps DM locked herself in bedroom and hid in closet, unable to retrieve her phone due to fear he was still in the house? So hard to not speculate but I fully believe the 2 survivors are innocent and also victims of this brutal crime who do not deserve any blame!
There should be a way to text 911. Also, couldn't she have called 911 and not said anything?
@@livdon4197 idk but it was one of the oddest things that stood out to me in the affidavit released publicity and according to the timeline, he came back five hours later due to his cell phone ping they didn’t call to almost close to 12 PM nearly 8 hours after she saw him, I don’t get it. I need more details. It’s so weird.
@@livdon4197 If she left her phone on bed and was in closet or her phone was in kitchen or something she likely was too scared to grab it
@@MyDogSteppedOnaBeee It’s not about you. We will get more details in time. The public has no right to any info. RIP to Xana, Ethan, Maddie & Kaylee.
Is there any information from the other surviving roommate?
That explanation by the psychologist is wrong. By her theory, D.M. DID know they were murdered. Her failure to do ANYTHING at all is not explicable. Calling friends later that morning, hours later, to potentially tamper with the crime scene, is mind blowing.
I feel for DM and the ordeal she has encountered but not calling 911 after all the things she heard and saw is absolutely bizarre. I understand it was a party house but that night it wasn't. D herself said in the affidavit that she saw the victims come home and there was no mention of anyone else being with them. That would eliminate the theory there was perhaps a friend over that D didn't know about strolling around at 4am. D heard K playing with her dog upstairs mere minutes before the murders, she would have heard if they'd invited anyone else over. I must say that I dont think she's involved at all but I can't seem to comprehend why she didn't contact anyone for 8 hours and then when she finally did contact someone it wasn't even 911 it was a friend... And before anyone says 'she probably thought it was just a friend cause it's a party house' the affidavit itself describes D frozen in fear. She was frozen in fear and had looked out of her room numerous times indicating she thought something was up. Then AFTER looking out of her room 3 times and hearing something she described as 'crying' she see's a stranger she didn't recognise, with a mask on, dressed in all black and doesn't think these things put together is suspicious enough to contact someone? Again, before anyone brings up the fact she my have been intoxicated, she was perfectly able to hear things coherently from other bedrooms AND give a detailed description of the stranger she saw, she may have been drunk but that doesn't seem to be the actions of someone belligerently drunk. She literally saw him leaving out of the sliding glass door, she knew he was no longer inside, that would have been the PERFECT time to call for help.
I kind of wonder if once the shock wore off if she got paranoid if there was any evidence of underage drinking or drug use even though the police would only be concerned with the quadruple murder! Something just isn’t adding up!
She has no way to know her friends were being brutally murdered upstairs from what she heard. Playing with a dog, hearing (possibly crying?) and a man saying something, seems strange, yes but not 911 strange. Yes she saw him but maybe she thought it was the food delivery man, why keep blaming these girls, they have been through enough. We know now what happened, but she could’ve though her friends (who were all awake) invited someone strange over after a night of drinking, plus hoodie guy was supposed to come home with them, maybe she thought it was him? We don’t know what she thought, but she obviously didn’t think it was anything horrible or she WOULDVE called 911 anyone would.
It is easy for people sitting behind a computer AFTER THE FACT that she should have done this or that. She wasn't trained to act like a police officer nor was she sensitized to handling primal fear. There is no rationality here. Logic goes out the window.
@@aliyaanderson She froze in fear over the delivery man? And since when do delivery men come inside your house let alone come inside your house dressed in all black with masks? Knock it off. I'm also curious to know where I blamed her when I specifically stated I don't think she has anything to do with it
Young people letting loose when they go to college out of their parents' sight...partying, alcohol and what else, don't mix. Sometimes they end in TRAGEDY!
A criminology student (or graduate) left behind so much evidence for the murders of these four young people?
It sounds incredible that surviving students waited until so much time had passed to call the police, and she met clad person in the house...