The HOT SEAT: USS Kidd
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- In this episode we're on board USS Kidd, on the hot seat.
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Interesting discussion about the design of the urinals and how they deal with the ship rolling. On modern submarines we have similar issues, except it's fore and aft instead of side-to-side. I remember my first time using the head when the ship was doing "angles and dangles". I woke up with a full bladder, and stumbled towards the aft crew's head. Shortly after I started relieving myself, the ship started going up, and my stream started wandering to the right. A little bit later, the ship started going down, and again I had to adjust my aim. Quite a memorable experience!
It's first hand stories like this that makes the comment section gold LoL.
Stay on target, stay on target
Thank you for your service!
@@majordakka5743 "I can hold it!"
@@majordakka5743 "Negative, negative. It didn't go in, it just impacted on the surface" 🤣
"Head is NOT operational."
The sign is there for a reason.
Cause about 50% of the population has the IQ of a gnat.
Some rules are written in blood, this rule was written in something else
“So no head?”
"She said that she was a nice girl, Doc."
"Well, she looked clean..."
“They all say that, son”
...but she was nothing to clap about?
That Archer quote cracks me up every time. "He's had the clap so many times, it's more like applause"
Aaaah yes Subic Suvenir
Had a friend who was in the Navy. He was a pipefitter. Said the guys would go on shore leave and a couple of days later they'd come down with "pipebenders disease".He explained that was what the pipe fitters called gonorrhea. They'd hold to the supply line for the urinals and urination was so painful, they'd bend and often pull the pipes off the wall.
Side note. Officers, always be fair with your enlisted men. If not, if your private head goes out, you'd be amazed how long it can take to get it fixed.
Much safer to use your hand so it doesn't hurt when using the head.
@@FreeSpirit47 now that's what I call thinking with your head!
The pain was so intense that it was described as peeing out a double sided straight razor.
"Pipefitter".
The correct head, that is!
I LOVE how he presents the info so professionally while casually sitting on the hot seat. You make me laugh Ryan! 😆
And then just casually mentions, so yeah there's a 5 inch handling room right here in the bathroom. I was thinking, wow no jokes at all? That made me loose it.
@Graf von Losinj not me utterly confused what is being talked about here. "Spanks" and "hands"???
End up overboard in those days.
@@ragingmaia3919 It’s like a Toilet Greaser.😂
That herpes is 80 years old!
As a former soldier, back in the 80’s our latrine’s frequently were lined with toilets that had no enclosures around them so everybody was just there doing their thing… nobody was comfortable with that the first day, but eventually you get over it and just make light of it.
Your latrine's what? Because the apostrophe makes it possessive.
@@slappy8941 thanks for correcting my English, that apostrophe thing always gets me, that and using too many comma’s, and what the hell is a dangling participle anyway?
@@brittburton3264 Ha ha, dangly parts
@@brittburton3264 I have read at a college level since I was 14. However, when I was tested prior to college my english was at 101 level lol. So I understand and can read at a higher level than most... just dont ask me to write anything. Just never really bothered knowing where my commas are supposed to be.
@@nathanh2917 yeah, when the people teaching me English defined where they were supposed to be, they included places where you may need to take a breath, among other things, so… yeah, I put them where they make sense to me and when in classes back in the dark ages of time, had professors always telling me I used too many.
Saw a Russian trawler where the "head" was indeed in the bow, directly below the main deck, with a vetrical pipe to hang onto, a cement floor with a funnel type troff leading directly overboard where you thought the anchor would have been stowed. So the idea is while hanging on with both hands in a seaway you try to shit in a hole and hope the next big wave doesn't blast it back at ya. True Story
Russians abhore the easy way.
Those Russian Bidets aren't a joke huh?
@@nicke1903 was about to make that same joke lol.
Russian submarines have pressure tank, and set of valves. The crap is being extruded outboard. Eventually someone opens the wrong valve or don't check the pressure inside the tank, and the the craps shoots back at the operator.
@@igoranisimov6549 Why did my brain visualize this :(
Next to a 5” handling room. New meaning for thunder box.
I’m a Merchant Marine and I did a year on an ocean going Tug, used for open water ( open sea) mooring operations.
This Tug bounced around like a watermelon in a washing machine in bad weather.
We had hand rails in every space on the Tug, especially in the heads. Every toilet had bars over head, and on each side.
BTW: this was my very first duty assignment.... after this Tug, no other vessel ever bothered me at sea.
I bet you've got some stories about being on the open ocean!
Good God, man....
I was always told minesweepers and frigates bobbed like corks, but I can't imagine the beating a tug would take. (Especially when strapped to another ship or towing.)
Sounds like a fun job!
More like your first doodie assignment.
My Father served on USS Wisconsin, BB64, during the Korean War, and he told us about this type of head. As he told it, the head near his berth was L-shaped and the trough was mounted to the wall (bulkhead?) in the crotch of the L, so it made a 90-degree outside bend around wall, and it had a constant flow of sea water. Again, as Dad told it, some wags on the boat used to like to hide around the corner and wait for the seats to become occupied, then they would douse a roll of toilet paper with lighter fluid, light it, then send it down the trough. Good times!
My grandfather was in during the war and said the same thing, newspapers and a light and you’d see everyone jump as it passed by
Well gotta have fun on a ship somehow
My grandfather told me people would do the same thing on the troopship he was on during World War II (he served in the Army Signal Corps). As you can imagine, it was a very long head to accommodate that many people. This video is the first time I've ever been able to actually see what they really were like.
this remind the Hongkong movie 'Brothers from the Walled City ' in which they fool others in public toilet...
A destroyer-guy I worked with in the 1970s told me the same story about his navy days. So, I'd be inclined to say it's true. He also told about another "trick" they'd do -- mostly to Ensigns. They'd shellac the toilet seat and then add additional coats before the lower layer was completely dried. Once they they finished, they'd let the final coat dry (this one may have been paint) and when their 'mark' sat down to take a dump, the undried and still tacky lower coats would firmly stick to the hair and skin on the back of their legs and butt. Sometimes, it would stick so much they'd have to have help being pulled off the seat!
Interesting insight to battleship life in WW2. My dad served on the sister ship the USS Black 666. I heard a few stories about some of the battles they got into in the pacific. I hope to see the USS Kidd someday.
I'll admit that I am a bit of a nervous pooper. This is my personal hell. That said, I'm sure plenty of the generations of sailors who served in conditions like these were as well, and I'm sure it's nothing that time, experience, and outright necessity wouldn't cure.
@crash burn Never pooped once in high school.
@@ElwoodPDowd-nz2si once when i was sitting on one of the shitters across from another, the hose from the high pressure fire fighting water connected to the shitter blew off and drenced the guy sitting there... the look on his face I will never forget
After about three days of bootcamp you would get over your shyness.
I'd have gone AWOL (if that's how it's spelled.) To me the open toilet with a shared cell in prison seems like the worst punishment, next would be a bunkmate that snores then the horrible mats. So basically everything about the armed services and prison 😆 I don't miss a chance to thank those who were brave enough to serve.
Nervous Knee Knocking Nelly😂😂😂
So this is what they mean when they say Kidd is in her WW2 Configuration. I have been on USS The Sullivan's, and cannot remember a space like this. Very cool!
KIDD is the only WWII destroyer that was not extensively modifed post-war.
@@petesheppard1709 she actually was, the ship was heavily modernized in a similar manner as the Sullivans and Cassin Young, they demodernized her and restored her to her WWII configuration before she was opened as a museum.
@@Ranger_Brutus Thanks!
there is no apostrophe at the end of the USS The Sullivans
I'm a Baton Rouge native, and have been around Kidd for all my life. So happy to see you all supporting our little Fletcher Class destroyer! I wish I could have met you all while you were in town!
So you're Native American?
when I was in the National Guard, one of my duties were to review historical barracks- and there was always one toilet in the latrine that was away from all the others and had a different colored (usually black) seat....I found out that was the toilet the guy who had clap would use...or anyone who was being treated for venereal disease would use that toilet only.
I'm from South Louisiana.... I visited the USS Kidd almost yearly in elementary school (early 1980's). I've heard a lot has changed and they've really improved her since then. So glad you highlighted this amazing ship.
...on another note, I had to laugh when I not only see "This head is not operational", but then there are what look like 2 rolls of toilet paper stuffed in the corner! LOL!
They do 'overnights' with Boy Scout troops is why.
When the Kidd was still in the middle of the Mississippi (before she opened to the public), my scout troop and I worked on the forward crew compartment. Visited the Kidd again in 2005. They did great work on restoring the ship.
I remember very well the head on my first ship the USS Ingraham DD-694 a WW2 era destroyer. The head I used was not nearly a large as this one. We had two rows of seats facing each other so one could look at your shipmate as his face turned red. No stalls or doors just like presented here, one shower and don't you dare take a Hollywood shower because the ship always had salinity problems. I think the Captain's cat had a better quality of life than the crew who were not respected as human at all. I was never so happy in my life then the day I received orders to leave that ship. The sailors of WW2 have my highest respect because they lived aboard these ships month upon months at a time without shore leave and at almost constant battle stations.
Of the hundreds of Fletcher Class boats, Kidd was the only one to remain in her World War 2 configuration. There are so many good people in Baton Rouge working to keep her in good condition.
There were 175 Fletcher class destroyers built during World War II, the largest class of destroyers built in naval history by any country.
My first time on deployment we hit rough seas. The shitters would spring up like geysers during the up down motion of the ship. You had to time it so you could drop a poop before the next geyser then get out of the way. .. Now imagine about a dozen seasick people with there faces puking in the the shitters and about 4 inches of sewage sloshing on the deck. And if you've ever been seasick, you just don't care... it was a miserable sight.
A hygiene nightmare. Thought hygiene is important on a ship to dodge mass diarrhea rendering the ship out of action.
Oh, my wife and I took an Alaska Cruise for our 15 anniversary so we are in our 30's. It was a large fancy ship (Princess Cruises). We got into our cabin and there were grab bars on every wall including three sides of the shower stall! (not on the sliding glass door of course) I remarked to my wife that they must have a lot of old people on these cruises hence all the grab bars! Once we got onto the Bearing Sea though I soon learned how to shower with one hand with the other hand on the grab bar! Age had NOTHING to do with it! ;)
He's got the same passionate nerdy intonations as YDAW (Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong) and I like it. The brief pauses like his brain is pulling up flashcards of info that he's excited to share 💯
Ryan is a great host. If you like it there are a bunch of video’s on the channel :-)
Did some of the design work on the cradle when the Kidd came to town in the early 80's. Most of the cradle and dockside early work was donated by contractors that support the petrochemical industry that is located literally just feet away. That's how I got assigned to it. When the Kidd was towed into town on the river they had a ticker tape parade from the new bridge over the river. That would never fly today guessing with all that paper headed down into the river. Current USS Kidd made news last week having been involved in tracking and engaging a drone swarm off CA a few years ago.
I used to be on a current DDG, the head being right next to the 5" magazine is hilarious, but also mad useful. That seems surreal to me. When we were at battle stations for a long time and my ammo handling crew was stuck down in the mag for longer than we expected, i'd lower a bucket and a rope down there for them to hopefully only piss in, then it could just be raised up and taken to a head not far from the trunk. The 5" magazine is below the waterline, to they couldnt even have a port to open and pour it out lol.
God Bless the TH-cam algorithm. How this wound up in my feed I'll never know, but I'll forever be grateful. Nice work!
I remember that in Navy boot camp in Orlando, the head was a room with about 20 toilets in a line. Opposite wall was urinals. There was only inches and air separating you and the guy next to you. After about 2 weeks of everyone eating the same things at the same times, everyone was suddenly regular. So, after lunchtime chow, we would march directly back to the barracks and have "study time for about 30 minutes. Strangely, not many of us needed to "study" immediately after breakfast.
I was in Orlando in 81 I remember that too
You got 30 minutes to shit in boot camp?
@@wyleeelpuppo4868 yea i’m sayin the same thing- you rarely get away with that
@@wyleeelpuppo4868 nope. It was "study time". That was the cover story they used so that our entire company could take a dump. I mean, it was 60 guys. We also got our laundry handed back out and mail. So, we had to fold and stow our things too. It wasn't leisure time by any stretch of the imagination.
Haha. yeah I was in boot in San Diego back in 88... I figured out on day 2 that we had a roving night watch sentry who wandered around from lights out till revely, and was the only person allowed to be up. The only reason anyone else was allowed to get out of your rack was to use the head. Well, like clock work I got up at 2am and hit the head, and I had the place all to myself while everyone slept and only occasionally would the sentry look for the fire/safety check. During the day while they all lined up and stared at the person on the toilet I was out washing my whitecap or emptying trash, and laughing my ass off.
I love videos like this as you never realize how quickly civilization is advancing and changing and how much we take for granted. Just think, 80 years ago it was common on warships to have these communal locations, a hot seat, and other aspects. Amazing.
During the Vietnam war, I served aboard a Galveston Class light cruiser (converted from Cleveland Class heavy cruiser). Although the ship's heads had partition-type toilets by then (although urinals remained trough-types), in heavy seas you didn't want to be sitting "doing your business" because of the sea-water surging up the pipes. This was a common occurrence/issue when the ship was evading and/or maneuvering through seasonal typhoons in the Gulf of Tonkin and the Pacific.
BTW: In this video, absent are toilet paper dispensers.
My apologies for being an ass and 'um ackshually'-ing a veteran, but a necessary correction: There was never such a thing as a Cleveland-class heavy cruiser. The Cleveland-class was built with 6-inch guns, and as such they were light cruisers, despite displacing as much as some pre-Dreadnought battleships.
Cleveland class were Light cruisers not Heavy cruisers (Baltimore class were Heavy cruisers). Galveston were modified Cleveland class Light cruisers that gave them a Talos launcher aft in place of the 6" guns.
On DDG 14 in 1970 off Vietnam, no hot seat and there were partitions by then. One memory sticks in my mind was the daily scrub down of the head deck plates with a nasty iodine solution. Was so hot over there, didn't mind the salt water showers when our ship ran short of freshwater.
I was stationed on the USS Prairie AD15 in 1984 till 1991, Prairie was a destroyer tender built in 1938-39 and commissioned in 1940 and was at the time the oldest continuously commissioned ship in the Navy when she was decommissioned in 1993. Life on the Prairie was still very much 1940's, In my time on her we didn't have the trough sit downs we had porcelain stools but just a row of them, no partitions at all and the decks had a teak wood pallet like frame because the toilets backed up a lot and you didn't want to have to walk through it, showers were a big open compartment with about 10 shower heads. Life on those old boats were really communal! We were home ported in Long Beach Naval Station, across the harbor were the USS Missouri and the USS New Jersey tied up next to each other, Being on a Tender I worked on both of them on a weekly basis. Back then it was just a daily job and not until many years later did I realize or understand all the history I was surrounded by.
When Captain Beach commanded USS Triton he had a wall mounted seat installed in his cabin for visitors. It picked up the nickname "one cheek hot seat".
One of the many shocks of boot camp at Great Lakes in the late sixties was the communal toilets. But like all the inconveniences of navy life, you learned to live with it. Great experience, but I didn't realize it at the time.
Some of them were still like that in 1999
There are no doors on the stalls in OCS @ NS Newport (at least in 2007) Though it's not like anyone wants to look at you on the head.
I was at GL in 1973 and there were partitions between the toilets but no doors.
@@lawrencelewis2592 In '99 the actual barracks i lived in had partitions and curtains. The building they processed us in the night we arrived just had like 18 toilets all in a row
I remember throwing a football to another soldier while on the old communal toilets at camp bullis. The barracks we were staying in in were built in ww2, and that was in 2015.
Worked there five years. Helped in many restorations and day to day repairs. Amazing place and staff. In the future my wish is to get back there for a field day or just by myself and get the hotseat portion of the head functional again. Glad to see you got to see all Tim , staff and volunteer's hard work. Saying there is "if it isn't 45 or safety get it off this ship."
Thanks for your hard work! How do you mean get the hot seat portion of the head functional again? I know you dont mean sitting on it because you have a "social disease", although if that's what it is I suppose the hot seat would be functioning again.
my dad was on the DE 698 (Raby) and APD 106 (Walter B Cobb) that are like the Slater in upstate NY. the Slater's head is restored with a hot seat as well. my dad told me that there was a guy in the ships company that used to light TP on fire and drop it in the trough, where it floated down on the water flow while guys were sitting there. they all got to the point where they could hop off mid movement so to speak to avoid the flames.
and yes to someone elses comment down below, the water was constantly flowing...
A fairly common gag with trough sitters...
My dad and his buddies in the engine crew used to mess with the Marines every time they could. The Marines would snap to attention when the flaming TP washed past them. He said the trough was 30 feet long. They served on an Attack Transport in WWII. They rigged their cold water drinking fountain to switch to ice cold salt water and would wait to trick Marines on their way to the South Pacific. I heard a million stories.
Excellent video, the USS Kidd is one of my favorite museum ships. I have been aboard many times and really appreciate the effort to keep this available to the public.
The USS Alabama museum ship still has her original crew heads in WWII condition. They have the same trough toilets and two-piece seats. Most were wide open like Kidd. There are a couple with doorless dividers between the seats.
She is a South Dakota class battleship. I’ll bet New Jersey”s facilities were similar.
PS - steel trough urinals
When the USS New Jersey came into Long Beach Naval Shipyard for reactivation in 1981, I don't remember seeing any troughs in crew's heads. When the USS Missouri came in for reactivation in 1984, I saw troughs in the larger crew's heads.
I live in Houma, Louisiana and I have brought both of my Sons to the USS Kidd. One of the old tin can sailor that I met I told him that I worked at a Power Plant. I asked if I could go into the lower engineering area that was chained off. He said Okay but I could not bring my young son, but he told me that he watch him for a few minutes. That GE panel that controls the speed of the shaft rotation of the props was a great treat. I did not know that they used sea water to cool the condenser for the Steam Turbine exhaust while they were under way.
I visited Kidd once and the staff was wonderful, as a Swedish person we are used to not be allowed in to all the parts of museum stuff but on Kidd the staff wanted us to experience and se everything so inside of gun turrets etc , a really great tour of a great little ship
A co-worker of mine, who served as a Navy medic, travels to Baton Rouge almost every year to work on the USS Kidd. He always has a story about restoring some part of the ship, and it's fascinating.
Quite interesting. Must be fun explaining the red toilet seat to kids. I’m going to have to watch Greyhound on Apple TV
I was driving through Baton Rouge a couple of weeks ago and took a tour of the Kidd and their museum. It had been thirty years since I had been there. The good thing about the Kidd is, being a destroyer, you can see everything much more quickly than you can a much larger ship. Thanks to the people that keep these ships up for the rest of us to see and enjoy!
I love the sign "Head is not operational" I wonder if they had the foresight to post that upon acquiring the ship, or if it went up after an incident.
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I think it used to be operational. I remember staying the night on the Kidd and using the urinal.
Really amazing. I trained in the early 90s with the Montana Army Nat'l Guard. We were housed in WWII barracks and all the beautiful porcelain toilets were in a long row, no privacy at all! "Good morning Sarge..."
When I was nine or ten years old we had a next door neighbor; who I just knew as old man Johnson, who was a WW2 U.S. Navy veteran. Like many veterans he didn't talk much about his war experience. One exception was one day that Mr. Johnson was invited over for diner and he saw a couple of models I had built of the battleships Bismarck and HMS Hood. He immediately recognized what type of ship the Bismarck was, even though the Bismarck was sunk before the U.S. entered WW2. The Bismarck's sister ship; the Tirpitz, was still very much afloat when the U.S. entered the war and Mr. Johnson explained that he was trained to identify the type and nationality of warships by their silhouettes. I'm sure he said a little more than that, but my memory is pretty fuzzy about the rest of that conversation.
However, on another occasion at a Bar-B-Q he threw for the neighborhood, I overheard Mr. Johnson talking to another WW2 veteran and I remember that conversation because it was mostly about the "Hot Seat" on his vessel. I think his ship was a cruiser, but I'm not sure what specific ship it was or if it was a heavy or light cruiser. I also learned Mr. Johnson had been in at least one surface combat action in the Northern Solomon Islands. However, most of the conversation was about the "Hot Seat." The other WW2 veteran hadn't been in the Navy and thought the idea of the red toilette seat was hilarious..
I didn't even know what venereal disease was then. I remember I looked it up to try to make sense of the conversation I had listened in on. That wasn't easy either because I didn't know how venereal or disease were spelled. What this video doesn't state; even though it should be fairly obvious, it was a common belief back then that it was possible to catch syphilis or gonnorhea from a toilette seat that was used by someone who was infected. I also overheard that if a sailor missed any time; meaning their treatment kept them from duty, that time was added back before that sailor could be discharged from the Navy. So, miss a day of duty because of your own stupid behavior and you owed that time to the Navy.
Mr. Johnson mentioned one sailor on his ship that rule applied to. I don't know why this man would have missed an entire day of duty, because you would think he would just be given penicillin and sent on his way, but somehow his treatment cost him at least one day.
In late 1943 a case of gonorrhea required a hospital treatment of 30 days, and curing syphilis took 6-months. Penicillin, as a cure for syphilis (and later gonorrhea), was not discovered until October 1943. Getting it into general use took a little time. Changing Navy polity - considerably longer.
My dad was on a Fletcher class destroyer ( USS Wadleigh) in 1952 and he told stories about the red hot seat being on the end.. And about floating TP on fire down the trough under guys on the seats. Thanks for the video so I could finally know what they looked like.
Luxury. Once when working on an oil drilling rig, I was tasked with emptying a pail that my Driller had shit in in the Doghouse, needing to stay near his brake handle station. Part of (him) getting paid the big bucks, embarrassment had no place.
When I lived in Louisiana they were still doing a lot of work on that ship, and hopefully there are more places on it to tour through then there were back then.
Looks posh compared to my early Tincans. The red seat is mostly for guys with "crab" lice, not VD. If I remember correctly, the troughs had a continual flow of flushing water off the fire and flushing main. You didn't open the valves to "flush" as it were. Those urinals were usually OOC because urine and seawater mix to make a pipe blocking, green horrible smelling concoction and continually back up the plumbing.The old wooden barracks for the Navy and MC (Army, too, as I recall) had a separate toilet set off to the side facing the other line of toilets for the same reason as the red seat ship toilets..
I remember cleaning the urinal p-traps and discharge piping on our LST. The flushometers constantly malfunctioned so we continuous flowed the urinals.
@@GABABQ2756 Yep. They usually had the piping pulled apart. Navsea was always trying to come up with stuff to defeat it. Usually cakes of chemicals thrown in the basin to mix with urine, but nothing ever worked. I read that the new Ford Class Carriers don't have any urinals installed, and some people were saying it's because they don't want to "offend" female crew members. I think they just got tired of tearing the things down every week or so.
@@SSN515 The concept of a Navy ship with no urinals offends me
@@henrycarlson7514 I suppose it wouldn't if you were a HT assigned to Head Checks Division.
@@SSN515 I heard it was an economics/flexibility move. That way if they get a bunch more female sailors they can reassign berthing and head spaces without wasting space/weight on urinals that may or may not be used.
I’ve been on this ship! It was a fascinating walk around, amazing workmanship involved with the creation. The museum in front was always very interesting! Young me was blown away the first time I saw it up close
The handle demo was brilliant! Great "job" Ryan!
I walked by the Kidd about an hour ago. One of the perks walking on the levee here in Baton Rouge!!
One time a new LT came on the NJ. He was out to make a name for himself. Well he was too big for his britches towards everyone as I was told. Well at the end of the first week he got a fire boat parade. I was told after that he was a changed man and quite personable.
"Fire boat parade" and bathrooms... I'm afraid to ask...
I had to think about this one and then it hit me-it's when they light a piece of crumbled newspaper on fire and float it down the trough so it fries the arse of the target. Am I correct?
I had no idea where the expression "in the hot seat" came from now I know... thanks. But one little question, was the "head is not operational" added before the museum was opened, or after an unfortunate event with a confused visitor?
I hope before museum was opened.
I'm sure visitors that "had to go" (especially if they have kids) might be tempted to use what appears to be working facilities, forgetting that there is no working plumbing. Would make for a nasty cleanup job for the staff afterwards.
@@GaryCameron I’m not sure how the tour is handled, since I’ve never taken it. I’d imagine whoever is guiding it probably has a little spiel before hand, and the sign is more to remind everyone.
I do think that’s one spot where a few sheets of plexiglass would help with idiots though. A TH-cam “prankster” (read asshole) might do it for views if they thought they could get away with it, plexiglass might make em rethink their life choices.
I feel like those urinal handles would do as good as the handles on cross country busses do. Basically holding on for dear life as you're thrown around trying not to piss everywhere.
And on planes! I once flew up and hit the ceiling whilst taking care of business. It's funny now, but it was horrible at the time!
My experience on a bus was the worst ever. First, the door wouldn't open. My efforts amused the three drunks seated adjacent to it. Once inside, I couldn't get the door to stay closed. Naturally, that was the moment the bus hit a ten mile stretch of road with the most bumps and potholes in the state as I stood with both hands engaged as I tried to remain upright.
First class museum experience. Warts and all.
Really like your presentations, very enthusiastic and informative.
Thank you for these presentations.👍
TH-cam algorithm is getting scary, this was recommended to me while sitting on the toilet.
As a 20-year Army 1990 retiree, I learned a lot from this video. Army barracks in 1970 had open Latrines with communal toilets and showers. 'It was what it was'! Things were changing by the early 1980's when newer barracks were being built. I was happy for the younger soldiers for these changes! Most barracks then on had two two man rooms on each side of a smaller communal latrine.
you know back in those days if you caught VD you were "stealing time from the navy" that would be tacked on to the end of your enlistment.
Yes, I have my grandfather's officer's manual (a book I believe was issued to those in officer training, very interesting, lots of information on tactics, equipment including weapons, arrangement of different units etc. of the Finnish army) from the 30:s and there it's also mentioned that the time one spent being treated for VD would be added to one's conscription time. So I guess it was a common practice back in the day.
Not just stealing time, but wasting the Navy's extra long Q-Tips as well! Lol!
@@snootdingo9365 o i see, so that's why they went with the scraper, saves money not wasting all those qtips
Iv'e stood in that exact compartment as a 7 year old, over 30 years ago on family vacation. I was fascinated by the "head" as a child.
The KIDD is about 40 minutes away from me, it’s a great place to visit
While in Royal Marine basic training on Woodbury Common I desperately needed a dump. We weren't allowed to bury it (nature site) so the training team had put an elsan chemical toilet out for us to use. After coming off stag (guard duty) just as it was getting light I sat on the toilet and let rip. Out of the mist came a very posh lady with a headscraf walking her labrador - there was I sat in full cam carrying a rifle letting 4 days of rations flow out of me. A polite "good morning" was thrown my way and we both carried on with our day.
As a general rule, any issues with body modesty didn't survive boot camp. There were exactly 3 doors in the whole barracks. One led to the office, the other two led outside. Then again, that was back in a time when getting a grade in Jr. High or High School PE class REQUIRED showering down, so a communal shower wasn't really a new experience.
Same for where I work, you either shower off at work in the bathhouse or cover your car interior black and get a beating by the wife for covering the whole house in coal dust
A truly great museum does two things: It leaves you with a greater appreciation for the past, and it leaves you never having been more grateful for being able to live in the present era.
I was a little bit of a shock when I was a teenager, working at scout camp, and we had a 3 hole latrine. Took some getting used to. Eventually, you were passing books and magazines back and forth, like it wasn't a big deal.
LoL now that I think about it, they had a deuce and a half with a sewage pumping system in the back that everyone called the "Honey-wagon". Many scatalogical jokes were made, as the Honey-wagon always seemed to make her rounds on or just before meatloaf day in the mess hall. 🤔🤔
Because after meatloaf day, they expected everyone to drop a deuce and a half. . .
Crewman could literally be dropping a *deuce* and still be battle ready at a moments notice.
Now whenever I'm playing USS Kidd (Or Fletcher itself) in WoWs Legends, can't help but think that there some guy with his pants down feeding munition to the aft turret.
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I've had the opportunity to go aboard both The Sullivans and Cassin Young. I'm hoping to get to Louisiana to visit Kidd one day. Doubt I'll ever make it to Greece to see the Charrette. Three out of four Fletchers ain't bad!
I grew up in Buffalo and remember when The Sullivans and Little Rock arrived. My family toured them right away. I was back there summer of 2021. D'oh! I went a day they were closed.
Go see USS Slater in Albany, NY. You won't be disappointed.
Not sure why. But Ryan saying "social diseases" and "do your business" is so cute.
It's like he's embarrassed 🤭
I visited the USS Kidd two weeks ago! It brought back memories of my years in the Navy. Before being assigned to my permanent duty station, I was stationed aboard the USS Sarsfield DD-837, a Gearing-class WWII destroyer. It’s almost exactly like the Kidd, especially the engine rooms were I worked as a Machinist Mate.
USS Ozbourn, DD-846 here! (1969 - 1972)
1983 Fort Leonard Wood reception station. Old WW2 Barracks without partitions for the toilets. During the first mass meeting we all were asked for gripes. Guy stood up and very loudly said, “Ah Caint Shit”!!!! I’ll never forget seeing probably 600 men rolling on the floor laughing.
I've been Covid binging this channel. Awesome insight, like a private as tour always....so the Private could not go in private because the privvy wasn't private? Interesting....
I live in baton rouge. Ive toured that ship. It’s hard to imagine being in there how they actually lived there for a period of time as well as fighting in a war. Everything is so tight trying to walk around and going up and down the ladders. Cots stacked 4 or 5 high up
And down the walls righT next to where the shells are loaded in to the huge guns. I would highly recommend touring one of you can. It will
Give you a deep sense of appreciation of what they had to go through.the way they communicated from one section of the ship to another is talking into about 4 inch pipes That were routed to various sections of the ship. Not electronically. I would find it difficult doing no. 2 shoulder to shoulder with 20 other men. Thank you vets for all you sacrifice and accomplish.
I've been aboard of few old wooden boats that still used the "direct deposit" head at the bowsprit. I have also worked a handful of old wooden boats that used the bucket and chuck it method. Some of the boats might could have used a "hot bucket" for some of the sailors.
I love this obscure history!! Thank you!!
Since you are talking about social diseases and the head, ask an older seaman what it was to have "bent pipes". Hint: it was a pain experienced whilst using the urinal.
I think one of my favorite things about these videos is the comment section, everyone sharing their knowledge and experiences on the topic at hand.
Best episode ever. Ryan really had fun on this one.
I was Navy from 1970 to 76 and remember some of the older guys talking about heads just like that with the trough. Worked on sea going tugboats until retiring and we had those same type handles by the urinals. One somewhat funny thing is trying to sit down on the toilet in rough seas and damn near landing on the deck.
Initially I was thinking, wow this is a pretty professional video about a subject that lends itself to so many jokes. Then he says "you have a 5 inch handling room right here in the bathroom" which is funny enough in itself, but the way Ryan says it so matter of factly made me loose it.
As for what spaces id like to see opened up on New Jersey, I entirely support your goal of opening the entire ship, as if a crew had docked her in Camden and walked off that morning. I really hope the museum is able to achieve that goal, even going as far as being able to operate all 3 turrets.
As for video suggestions, I know you've done a video about spaces aboard New Jersey you aren't allowed to go, would it be possible to do a video about how the USS Iowa museum handles or is allowed to handle turret #2?
Id imagine it is strictly off limits to tours, but are they allowed into that space? Is it completely sealed since the USN investigation? Very curious.
I was on the USS Midway CV-41 1980 to 1984 and we had (I'd like to say) normal "Heads". Luckily we didn't have to deal with bench slit toilets like that! Most of the time - the ship was pretty stable - not a lot of rock n' Rollen except for at times we would get 20' + swells, but that was rare.
I spent the night on the kidd once as a boy scout. Too much fun. We joked about the potential of arguments over who got to sit next to the flusher.
I did the same with troop 777. I think they've been combined into troop 888 now.
Exactly the type of content I didn’t know that I really wanted to learn today. Love this channel, thanks guys
Where are the three seashells?
You don't know how to use the 3 seashells?
Spent the night on that boat multiple times. This is a popular part of the tour and its always questioned "whys it red?". I remember as a kid confused what diseases they meant but social diseases is a great way to put it. Love yalls channel!
Eh, I dunno. I think "Social disease" is going to just lead to a kid that's going to be pretty confused. You're probably better off just saying "crotch rot" and telling them that hygiene is important and leaving it at that.
The fact that there is a sign reading "Head is NOT operational" alludes to a terrible possibility lol
When I toured the USS NORTH CAROLINA way back in the '70s they had one of the ship's heads open, and the tour took you right through it. The toilet area wasn't visible but the long trough on one wall was, and the placard on the wall above it said that this trough was where the sailors urinated. There was a constant flow of sea water running through it, and as many as six sailors could line up at the trough at one time. I thought, "Man, that's primitive!" until I got to Camp Bullis for training in 1975. At that time Bullis was home to one of the very few remaining wooden building latrines that was built in the 1950s, and there were no walls between either the urinals or the commodes. Now THAT was awkward!
Social diseases. Man, can you imagine what is included in that category today? You'd need an entire hot head! 🤣🤣
Very interesting. Now I understand why my Pops (WWII veteran) built his "own" private bathroom in the basement of his house. I was too young to understand, or ask the right questions... not that he would have answered. Great piece of history.
Most likely it was just where space was available, but I can see some sort of rationale for putting the head near a combat station. At least for the handling room, if there's a lull, they can go if they need without being that far away. Also, it's not like the handling room will be occupied aside from combat and drills. There's a little more privacy and distance from constantly crewed stations.
I was on a ferry through the Straits of Georgia (British Columbia, Canada) during high winds and the flat-bottomed ferry was pitching pretty high. The urinal stall walls were very tight, whether it was to fit more in the head or for the benefit of being able to jam your elbows and upper arms into either side and hold yourself fixed while you were busy.
The local ham radio club does events on the Kidd a couple of times a year, they fire up the shortwave and let you make contacts with ham radio stations all over the country and other parts of the world (providing you have a license of course).
I've operated from the Kidd! The radio room is very small!
I was on the USS MIDWAY, and now that she's a MUSEUM SHIP in San Diego CA, I wonder just how many ship-spaces were COMPLETELY RESTORED (I would like to see my old PERSONNEL OFFICE AND MY RACK (SLEEPING COMPARTMENT); I know that "IF" I got the chance to visit her in San Diego, there are ship-spaces I "would" frequent, when I was stationed onboard, that I would NOT be allowed to visit today. Sad-SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, we were there 1.5 years ago and they said if you were stationed on it, you could visit your old spaces, safety permitting.
The Kidd is a great museum ship. It probably helps the maintenance a lot that it sits high and dry unless the Mississippi is high, like during the Spring thaw.
Don't overlook the shoreside museum. It has a world class collection of scale ship models. I spent hours just looking at the models.
My father served on a carrier a few years after WWII. He told us that some of the guys liked to pour flammable liquids at the front of the trough and light it on fire so it would singe the butt hairs off of the guys down trough…
He also joked that they were called heads because when they stopped working, you abandoned the ship…😬
in 1984 I was a 16 year old High School kid and in the " Sea Cadets " in Minneapolis. Never had seen a large Navy ship. We as a group had the opportunity to do a 2 week training cruise on the USS Iowa. We shadowed the crew and worked with them and stood watches with them and basically did what they did unless it was considered dangerous. I saw my first waterspout while standing look out watch. I also had my battle station in turret 2, projectile handling deck. They allowed our group topside 04 level bridge for the firing of the 16" and 5" guns and the CIWS. It was a wonderful time and wish I could have seen these ships in there WWII configuration. I did go in the Navy a few years later, served on a much different ship ( SSBN Submarine ) which I had decided on as I also was able to do 2 weeks as a Sea Cadet at Sub School in just before the Iowa ( a month away from home :-) ) I really enjoy your videos I hope to some day visit the Iowa or one of the other BB's someday... I would love to see anything that maybe was not modernized or restored to WWII set ups. Have a great day
The red one - Employee of the month equivalent.
So glad you came to the Kidd I’ve only been to a couple of museum ships but I have to say that the Kidd is my favorite. Maybe I’m biased because I live just about 12 miles away but I used to live in Mobile also and while I love going to the battleship Alabama there’s just something about the Kidd that’s extra special to me.
The seating positions looks similar to Roman toilets.
I was gonna comment the same about Roman toilets
I took a field trip and slept on the USS Kidd when I was younger, probably around the fifth grade. It was one of the coolest things I'd ever experienced up to that point and it probably still is. I remember wearing what I assume were authentic helmets, but they could just be replicas, I was too young to tell the difference. I think I remember being able to move the turrets around. I remember the bunks were all separated in fours, so there'd be four bunks all meeting together to form one big one basically and another four right on top. I think there might have actually been three sets stacked up, I remember there being barely any space between the mat and the next bunk up so if you weren't careful enough getting up you'd hit your head on the metal bunk or the metal roof if you were on top. A good friend of mine got sick from sleeping there and gave me his McDonald's breakfast the next morning. It was such a good time, wish I could go back sometimes.
This brings back some fond (and not so fond) memories. My first duty station was on the USS Abe Lincoln, CVN-72. Even as high tech. as she is, when one causes (or encounters) a stopped up head, one must connect a fire hose to the end of the drain line and backflush! Then, as my former CO was fond of saying, you went fishing for "Brown Trout", cleaned everything up and then wiped it all down with a Betadine/freshwater solution. When one is underway, it can be very entertaining seeing some of the "bootcamps" become nauseous due to seasickness and/or picking up turds;) That's the real Navy, whether you like it or not;). BTW, air conditioning did not become a reality for YEARS in the USN. As late as WWII and Korea, sailors would, if they could, sleep on deck to stay cooler! -(ex) IC2 John D. Waldron
Man that "Brown Trout" line had me laughing pretty good.
Thanks for the laugh and im sure itll be used by me in the future!
Lol! I mounted a grab handle on the wall next to the toilet in my parents master bathroom for my dad (20+ year destroyer vet - WW2, Korea, Vietnam) The problem wasn't so much the sea state of the house, as it was with pops. He got a good kick out of that, and mom was pleased.
Since a ship would go through rough seas which would cause it's "content" to be thrown around inside, i wonder if the water(and other stuff) from such toilets would spill out and cause a mess quite often, or if there was a design feature to prevent this from happening?
according to guys who served on ships or were transported on them to land operations rough seas would spill the contents of these troughs everywhere. it wasn't uncommon for the smell of turds and puke to fill the air during storms and such. yuck.
The trough wasn't filled with water. Water was rinsed through to the drain carrying everything with it overboard. Since there was no holding tank there were no gasses or odors coming back up the drain. This is the only reason water sits in your toilet at home - to prevent sewer gases from coming out of the toilet. Even on modern ships the marine toilets don't hold much water and they aren't shaped quite the same as a home toilet where water can slosh around. Add to that the two deck drains you can see near the hatch in the video (probably more that we don't see). The entire space could be rinsed out with a small fire hose if it ever did happen.
I like the wee sign on the left that says: ''Head is NOT operational''.... there is a untold story there. lol