Sixteen knobs and a screen // MIDI controller vs. TouchOSC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Ever wished your MIDI controller had a proper display? In this DIY approach I'm using my phone with the TouchOSC app. I tried to mimic the layout of the Midi Fighter Twister and configured the app to use the same MIDI CCs.
Synths used on this piece: Sequential Prophet-6 and u-he Repro-5.
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OMG! This idea is so perfect, that it somehow feels ridiculously obvious once u see someone do it. But of course that’s how all elegantly perfect ideas appear! So glad I found this video. I feel like these use cases are the very reason we are drawn to open ended systems like Ableton w Max, TouchOSC, midi controllers and “controllerism” in general. The whole rush of adding our own DIY customizations to audio setups is the only reason I can see anyone having to use a DAW like Ableton in the first place. Shocked this is the only vid on TH-cam applying this concept, and I CANT BELIEVE IT NEVER CAME TO ME lll This reminds me of the kinda stuff mad Zack and mr. bill demo. So Thx bro! U are an inspiration. Got me super pumped to add this n get use out of my old iPhones
Thanks Rob! Eager to see what you will come up with! Cheers!
Can you make a tutorial about how to do it, that would be amazing! Great music too.
This is genius, even cooler than having a Fader Fox
@JamesLevineAndSons sadly it doesn't have a dynamic feedback in ableton mode that displays parameter names (like you find on some modern keyboards); the remote script implementation is super basic (as cool as it is).
trying to cancel my order I just placed for a Faderfox EC4, after watching this 🙃
Excellent. I’ve been thinking about a MIDI controller with BYO screen for a while. This is a super cool DIY for that idea. I was thinking it would need a custom App for a particular controller. Never occurred to me you could build your own with something like TouchOSC. Genius 👍
Haven't played with TouchOSC in years. I had a setup using an old iPad with it as a mixer with meters for Traktor. I remember it being pretty stable too.
This looks like a great application for it with the Twister.
i am wondering how the midi fighter and touchosc are interconnected and the signal is going back and forth. Can you please explain how you made them communicate by any chance?
hej hej, the midi fighter and touchOSC are not communicating directly but since both are setup as MIDI devices in Ableton Live using exactly the same MIDI CCs they will simultaneously get their MIDI feedback from Live, hope that helps!
@@surkidmusic Thank you for the clarification. I was thinking about doing a similar approach with Max and touchosc when I get the twister soon.
@@surkidmusic Are you using MIDI over wifi to connect the phone to your computer?
Looks like its over Wifi, lovely.
@@surkidmusic Hi, would you be so kind and elaborate a bit? You make a special track in ableton? I have made a track with routing from twister to touch osc, but no luck since my midi fighter twister is mapped to parameters allready, so no midi signal comes to the track. I cannot map two controllers to one parameter to share ccs. Can you please explain further this awesome setup? Thank you!
The touch osc controller caught my eye but my ears kept me here.
Beautiful music. For a year or so I’ve been buying old iPhones with the 3.5mm audio jack and been running with the same set up using b.tooth MIDI and a multitude of apps. Been lovin’ life.
nice, i just got midi fighter twister and will be using it with Bitwig Studio, so using the TouchOSC does it already recognize the Midi Fighter? does it already have a pre-set for Midi Fighter or do I have to build it from scratch?
I’m afraid you have to build this from scratch 💪
Just remembered Your great track and gave it a few more plays here. Such a great composition! I like Your whole Album "Home Frequencies", but this, "When Ther Is No One Left to Follow", is by far the best track. 👌
Thanks for the kind words and for taking the time to listen to the album, I really appreciate this!
Awesome setup!
This sounds so good and is such a great and creative way to use Touch OSC. Love it.
Can you please provide a link for the phone stand you are using? Thanks.
Sure thing... www.ugreen.com/products/adjustable-aluminum-phone-holder
Great solution and music!
hey man, i randomly stumbled upon this and i have to say great playing, beautiful chords, nice choice of sounds, tasteful arrangement! impressive. cheers!
Hej thanks Raoul!
Damn you gave me a purpose this holidays!
This is exactly what i've been looking for. genious! great track as always
Incredible. Please do more content on this.
cool! but it seems it takes too much movement of each knob to alert TouchOSC and make the "handshake" .... I use TouchOSC with iPad and Mac with cubase 12.... works GREAT, except when I have redundancy with some touchOSC controlls and Motorized faders..... Darn! if I could fix that, it would be the perfect setup.
Very beauty and powerfull sound
Did you released this track ? I keep this tab open from 2021 lol
lol, in fact I did release it:
open.spotify.com/track/0CrOehot69S03H1KArnAH9?si=7QST27QcSY-Z9GP6Bf5c_Q&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A3ktR38xGbCp0qv8PU1DvN7 🎉
@@surkidmusic Wow perfect ! Thanks :)
That is such a clever idea. I'm trying that.
Hello if you don't mind...specify exactly what this app is.... please ,thanks ,Rewards
what is this knob gear called? :)
It’s a Midi Fighter Twister.
what i would give for a twister with a small screen up the top
oh yes, same here!
Great song and fascinating interface. I tried out TouchOSC with a MOTU interface and it worked really bad so I gave up on it. Maybe I'll have another go after seeing this. 🙂
faderfox on midifighter on.. Steroid nice
ohh wait thats a midifighter...or.?
wow!! thats exactly what im looking for since months!😍😍😍 any chance to get that script or a hint about how you did that?
Awesome! Please do a tutorial how to do that!
Sorry, I really have no time at the moment, however here is the TouchOSC template: www.dropbox.com/s/7re2d3fiee1rn9g/surkid-touchosc.zip?dl=0
This is so awesome. Def getting an MFT and TouchOSC now. Great vid dude! Quality is amazing.
Hi please can you tell me wath is the name of the 16 knobs hardware you use?
Hej, it’s a Midi Fighter Twister.
Thank you very much@@surkidmusic
Please make a tutorial
Where is the "VS" part of the video?
hej, it's hidden under that little keyboard.
Hey! great idea :)
I have a question about your TouchOSC layout. Did you write down the names of each parameter yourself or did you script something that automatically send the names of the parameters.
I manage to create a layout with 16 knobs which are automatically mapped to the first 16 settings of the VST I'm focus on. But now I would like to also display the name of each parameters automatically. Do you know if there is a way to do that?
Cheers!
Hej Dimitri, these parameters were indeed fixed, I don't think it's possible to display them dynamically (at least not using TouchOSC). Please share your findings in case you find a way, thanks!
Ableton Live does not support OSC natively. There are some Max4Live plugins that folks have written to do so.. I haven't played w/them myself as they don't meet my own needs, but hopefully that gives you something to look into.
@@surkidmusic It's absolutely possible using max for live; I just did a litte tool inspired by your video that will automap any plugin you select to a bank of knob with a corresponding display and names (you can then scroll through banks of controls). You just have to send the names to label object; it's pretty straightforward (well the live object model not so much). so thanks for the inspiration; and cool music.
@@sliptidemusic it's super easy to send OSC with live through max for live
@@valdir7426hey! just saw your message and I think I found something similar at what you described. Maybe it's your plugin ;) What's the name and did you uploaded it online?
Cheers!
Do you have this avaliable
Yes please 🙏😊
First thing to say is I really enjoyed the music you made. The second thing is thank you so much; I'm new to this world and pretty bewildered by it, as well as excited. I'm just scratching the surface of what's possible. I've had some equipment, which I've returned and have an Akai APC64 arriving in a few days. Seeing your screen in action opens up some solutions for me that I'm going to need, or simply which MIDI controllers I can choose, so thank you so much.
Thanks and welcome to this world! 🎛️
this is a super smart idea. it's not so much the feedback, as the twister shows that already, it's the labels! you can save the touchosc template and the ableton set and then if you come back to it in a few months, you won't forget what all the knob assignments are! one of the pitfalls of multiple setups that only get used occasionally is remembering how you have everything set up and this is a great workaround for that. i'm trying to think how i can do something similar, as i have a spare tablet with touchosc on it that i'm not using at the moment.
this is an ultimate controller combo....thanks for the inspiration!
Amazing work, thanks for sharing. / Also may i ask what's the Midi keyboard you are using ?
Hej thanks! The keyboard is a RefaceCP by Yamaha.
I’m controlling my NDLR with OSC on iPad . Probably will add a second iPad , it’s a great setup.
nICE!!! Working on integrating TOSC in a spatial audio setup - thanks 4 the inspiration
Cool work! Knowing what is what has always been an issue for me. If Midi Fighter made a twister with displays, they'd have a winner 👍
Gee … what a pal. Thanks for showing everyone how to do the setup.
Nice.
2 questions: 1. What stand is that for your iphone, and 2. what touch osc script is that? A custom one? Could you share the link to it?
Hej thanks! The stand is from a brand called UGREEN and here's the layout for TouchOSC: www.dropbox.com/s/7re2d3fiee1rn9g/surkid-touchosc.zip?dl=0
Sublime
Wow ! That's beautiful. I have to do that with bitwig !
Familiar w the group Two Shell?
Beautiful! Love your music. Could you tell me what library or synth did you use for the beginning of the song? Thank you
Thanks Juan, the pad in the very beginning is coming from the Prophet-6 synth in the background. The chord progression later in the piece and the arp are coming from a software synth called Repro-5.
good idea, kinda tiring to make all that but yeah looks good and handy.
This is GENIUS, my man. Thanks for all the ideas and the music.
Very atmospheric and nice sounds! 💯
They should make this in to a single device or with a nice arm that could be used with any phone. Superb concept.
Super inspiring. Being thinking of a use for an old iPhone 6 that my father gave me. This is perfect
Ah, so this is not done by midi mapping?
How do you send MIDI to the phone?
A name under the knobs would be a HUGE improvement.
hej thanks, actually you can easily do that when ordering a controller from Yaeltex - they put a label under every knob if you wish. it's just that i wanted to leave them blank in order for this thing to be more versatile.
Hi this si beautifully implémented, with the cc sent back to have the color on the MFT !!! Great job. Would you mind sharing the touchosc template ?
Sure thing: www.dropbox.com/s/7re2d3fiee1rn9g/surkid-touchosc.zip?dl=0
@@surkidmusic man, you re a legend !!!
Could you provide details of how you did it?
Wow, this is such an amazing track! I just love the broken harmonies and the beautiful selection of sounds. I could not find the song on spotify, BC or SC - did you release it anywhere?
hej thanks a lot! in fact, the track will be part of my upcoming debut album to be released in april/may this year! (label: modularfield) it will be available on all streaming platforms.
Am I correct that the faders in TouchOSC update only when you stop changing the values from the Twister (waiting for Live to dump the MIDI remote state) ?
I've done a similar setup and this is what I've witnessed.
actually no, it’s pretty much updating in real-time but with a rather big lag which kinda ruins the fun a little. however, the main advantage of the display i think is the dynamic labeling.
@@surkidmusic Ah thanks for the answer. Must be something with the way I set it up. It's flawless on both the Twister and the phone when things are moved from Ableton, but when I move either the Phone or the Twister, the other one is 'laggy'. I've got both set as Remote Out in Ableton, maybe there's a more clever way , like transmitting directly MIDI from the Twister to TouchOSC, without passing through Ableton ?
Lovely jam, what is that keyboard you are using
Thanks, it's a Yamaha refaceCP.
Damn that's cool. Nice! Sounds great as well.
🙏
Using phones/tablets to handle the visuals for midi controllers makes a ton of sense. I've been thinking about something similar for a Launchpad.
If you don't mind connecting/disconnecting the one phone/tablet you've dedicated to numerous controllers/machines/etc.. 1000's of times (or buying 100's of phones/tablets instead dedicated to each one), or having all of those screens lying around with no stands (or laying them on top of controllers/machines/synths/etc..), or spending endless hours mapping while also trying to find the proper software (that typically doesn't exist), etc..etc...... then yes, it makes a ton of sense.
This is funny, i prefer using a big screen instead of the twister. Getting rid of the disconnection between where you control and seeing what you control, so to speak. Yea, the iphone + twister greatly reduces the gap between eye and hand. But with a touch surface, eye and hand finally meet and become one. :D of course only a good solution when used with a big screen
problem is can't do something else while figuring out what you're controlling. faders are alright on screens; dials not so much.
@@valdir7426 yea, i almost only use faders for everything on touchscreens. Encoders often suck on touch.
How to connect twister with iPhone? that's creative!! wooo
Thanks SonicState !
is it mapped to ableton?
yes, correct!
@@surkidmusic how did you do that? i have no clue yet but my intention is to get a midi fighter as well to controll software synths in ableton. You know what... forget it, i don't need, i was just flashed 😅 Better without screen for me and do sound design with closed eyes and concentrate only with ears. But cool anyway!
I love this soo much !
Are those endless encoders like on arturia keyboards?
yes, these are endless encoders! (they feel very nice)
This is great! Could you share the template perhaps?
thanks! there you go: www.dropbox.com/s/7re2d3fiee1rn9g/surkid-touchosc.zip?dl=0
What a great idea!!! Stealing it!!!!
This is awesome, inspiring, a really great idea and a very elegant design. I'm curious, what's your iPhone stand? Is it adjustable or did it just happen to put your phone at the good height and angle?
Hej thanks, it's from a brand called UGREEN and yes it's adjustable.
@@surkidmusic Ha amazing thanks for your answer, after watching your video I actually ordered 3 stands yesterday evening on Amazon to pick up the best one and two of them were UGreen, one of those looking pretty similar to yours I believe so it has to be the same (can't post link on TH-cam). To make it perfect I would love for human readable values to be displayed on TouchOSC though, for example getting "-32db" instead of "0.54521654". :-)
Hej Surkid. Just genius!!! :). Could you please share your Touchosc template? Greetings From South Sweden
hej hej, sure here you are: www.dropbox.com/s/7re2d3fiee1rn9g/surkid-touchosc.zip?dl=0
@@surkidmusic Hi Surkid, THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!!!. I got stuck on how to change bank 1-4 then I just saw your template and of course it's about sending a note value C-2 and up duhhhh :). Sharing is caring i guess. I hope you UL some new performance/songs. Tack!
@@surkidmusic Thanks! Was about to ask. Love your music and aesthetic, btw!
@@surkidmusic could you also share the Ableton Live (.als) and MIDI Fighter Twister file (.mfs) for this as well please please pleeeease? I love this setup, so I'm trying to do something similar, however struggling to get it to work.
@@surkidmusic🎉
this is just so cool
Absolutely beautiful Music 🌈✨
Majestic
Very creative. Nice work👍🏻
Please name of this mini controller???
It's a Midi Fighter Twister 👌
wow this is amazing
Very nicely done.
This is incredible, exactly what i need...
!
Pretty composition too!
Awesome which Keyboard/Controller are you using??
Hej, this is a Yamaha Reface CP.
@@surkidmusic thank you, can this knobs on the Yammaha send MIDI as well?
Yes they do send MIDI.
@@surkidmusic thanks again!
Absolutely beautiful! ❤
that was a trip
Ask him just how much money he made with that piece of music. :-)
Nicely done!
amazing!
Ça n'a pas l'air très réactif. Moi ce que j'aimerais voir c'est l'installation. Parce que s'il faut de trop nombreuse manipulations à chaque utilisation ça perds de son intérêt.
beautiful!
THIS!
Technically beautiful, and musically too!
Do you by any chance know if TouchOSC can remap the midi messages as well? Say, if I wanted the controls on one of the tabs to address different CCs (and channels) than on another tab - I guess you are doing this already in this video - how would you set this up?
hej thanks, afaik you cannot remap midi messages with touchOSC. i made sure that all the knobs/buttons send different messages across the four midi fighter banks, i.e. for each of the four banks of the controller i created a separate page in touchOSC. hope that makes sense, it's been some time since i set that up.
I think the OP meant how do you change the banks with the buttons on top.
@@AntonKuznetsovMusic yeah curious ?
I see, well in the Midi Fighter Utility you can specify certain MIDI messages to switch between the four Midi Fighter banks. Now, all you need to do is to assign the very same MIDI messages for each of the four TouchOSC tabs, that's it. Hope that helps!
@@surkidmusic Would you mind sharing the touch osc setup ? So a bit is done already. Less works in this world haha
Liked for the music, subscribed for the idea. Great stuff!
So let me get this straight... it gives next to no control input and your hands will cramp up because the knobs are placed way too close to each other? Not cool. :-)
A man of culture indeed
Amazing composition! Subscribed.
It would be great if you share the process of setting up everything in TouchOSC :)
I am trying to learn it, and your video is extremely inspiring!
Cheers
hej thanks a lot! in fact, i'd love to and you're not the first to ask but i'm a father and my musical spare time is pretty limited. maybe in five years from now ;-) sorry!
@@surkidmusic ah, i am a father too, so I thought I could accelerate my understanding around touchosc asking you to illuminate us 😂. No worries! Thank you!
What that 16-knob thingy called?
MIDI Fighter Twister
nice but not for me