If you pay $12,000 for full FSD, you should absolutely be able to transfer it to new vehicles as long as you are still the registered owner of every new vehicle. That’s the only incentive for buying it. $99 per month, 12 months in a year, for 10 years is only still less at $11,880. Most people don’t keep their vehicle 10 years, so there has to be some incentive to pay that much money up front or you might as well just do the $99 a month forever.
@@Starwarsgames66 The average age of cars on the road is 12.5 years, in America. And people that live in states with mild warm weather keep their cars even longer. In California, a car can be 20 years old and still look almost new.
The subscription model makes way more sense if Tesla takes legal liability since the “AI driver” will need to be “insured”. I would consider paying $12k for a personal lifetime license transferable between cars but no way I’d pay to attach it to a car. And no way I’m letting my car be a Robotaxi, why would you let people puke in the back of your car for a dollar per hour. But $99/mo is the first time I’ve ever seriously considered getting FSD
I don't think paying $12K for FSD is worth it unless you can transfer it to a new Tesla. It's wrong on all levels that you can't transfer it after paying that much for something. Either make it a subscription for everyone or allow FSD transfer all the time.
Ive used it twice since we got the trial. I see no value in it until its level 4. And even then, maybe $50/mo. for something ill use only occasionally.
I genuinely believe that one day Tesla will make FSD free.. it will be the main standout feature for Tesla as other EVs catch up especially with NACS, and Tesla will license FSD to other companies and make it free on their own vehicles.
@Dekauwu Aptera is going with OpenPilot and either CommaAI's hardware or possibly their own. If I recall it is an ,$1,800 dollar option. There is know way I am paying $12,000 or $100/month for driver assist.
That’s literally never going to happen. It will only increase in price Elon himself said if it was level five autonomy and you could sleep in the car. The software will be worth 100K. why the hell would they give it away for free when they can just print money with the best software ever created by humans
The subscription everything is really getting on my nerves. The idea that you can afford anything for $99.99 is one reason everyone is having such a hard time affording anything.
If you were paying $0.20/kWh for electricity thst $100 would get you 500 kWh of electricity. The Model 3 LR uses ~0.300 kWh/mile. So on 500 kWh it could travel 500 kWh ÷ 0.300 kWh/mile = 1,666.7 miles. Times 12 months, that is 20,000 miles of driving.
I'm not thrilled that that the price is the same regardless of whether or not you have enhanced autopilot (which I have on my S but not in my 3). However, I'm pleasantly surprised that it's $99 here in Canada (in CAD, which is about $0.75 USD on the exchange rate).
So, I can buy FSD for a whopping $12,000 OR I can subscribe for the low price of $99 per month? How is this even a question? I will need to subscribe for TEN YEARS before it becomes more expensive than if I had bought now.
Hmm, now the subscription rate is the same for those with or without EAP. It used to be 99 vs 199. I was disappointed that it didn't go down to 49 for those with EAP.
@@photonqopt yea it really should have. Makes EAP less attractive but I also don’t want to pay a subscription just for EAP since I really didn’t care for fsd.
It’s not going to stay 99 for very long though. FSD capabilities are going to rapidly increase now that they are not compute constraint. Therefore, the price itself is going to increase.
FSD is GREAT ! Love it. Tesla should require viewing a short video in car video to activate FSD. Tesla needs to open more delivery / service / collision centers. You should not have to drive hours to get your car serviced or repaired after an accident. Northern Indiana is a Tesla desert with the only repair / collision centers being in Chicago. What a traffic nightmare. Tesla needs to plan out service centers like they plan out charging stations. You should only have to drive so far to get to one. You should not have to travel to the next state to get your vehicle repaired. I know Tesla is trying to make vehicles need less service but accidents happen. Tesla needs more repair / collision centers so you do not have to drive to the next state to get your vehicle repaired. Having a large, delivery, service, collision center in Northern Indiana would spread out the overall service area. Many people are reluctant to buy a vehicle from a company that has no dealers / delivery /collision or repair centers within a reasonable driving distance.
FYI I just moved out of Indiana after living there for 8 years. There is a Tesla building in Indianapolis on the North side near I-69 and the loop around the city. It would be a lot easier to get to there than to go to chicago. I drive through that area all the time as I'm a Professional CDL driver. Although I feel your pain as I moved to Northern Missouri. When I bought my 2023 Model Y Long Range in December 2023. I had to drive all the way down to St Louis to pick it up. The only service centers in Missouri are in St Louis and Kansas City 🤦♂️ If you do not have AAA, get their highest tier now! The reason why is Tesla's roadside assistance often only goes out 50 miles from the nearest service center. AAA's highest tier allows towing up to 250 miles. So if your car ever breaks down you can get it on a flatbed all the way to a service center for sure! Considering a 250 mi tow with a flatbed at this stage will cost you $300 to $500 for one instance. It is money well spent! Also if you don't have one I recommend a Modern Spare Brand Tire and Jack system for your car. They are pricey, but that plus the tools needed to change a tire should be in your vehicle. This is especially important as you are not within the range of a service center the same as I am.. Advice from a CDL driver with over a million accident-free miles. 😉
Agree with what your saying Drew. $99 will probably bring in more subscribers not sure if it will 2X or 3X with this price but I'm thinking if Tesla made it between $25-$50 per month it could easily 10X or more subscribers of FSD. At least they're listening and understand at it's current state FSD isn't worth $12k or $200 per month, get it to level 4-5 and then you can charge that price, depending on economic conditions at that time.
FSD is making great progress. Tesla should allow owners to add FSD to a second owned Tesla family vehicle at a discounted price. Someone that has purchased FSD should have a transferable license and be able to use it on multiple family vehicles. Why has there been such a long delay to updating or refreshing the Model S and X interiors with the new ambient lighting. Many people are holding off buying a new Model S or X while waiting for the new features. Why the slow roll out ? The focus on FSD is great but the cars need timely updates to their features. The slow roll out hurts sales. New features need to be rolled out promptly and not dragged out. The lack of focus on the Model S and X is hurting volume sales. All the costs for research, development and amortization of manufacturing equipment for the S and X should be written off by now. It is time to lower the prices of the Model S and X to reflect the reduced costs.
Elon has no credibility. The man was sanctioned by the SEC for lying to manipulate Tesla stock ‘funding secured’. He also almost got sued for fraud with what he said in his solar roof presentation. And he said the Tesla semi truck could ‘outcompete’ diesel trucks in a worst case scenario and that the truck could do this ‘right now’. That was many years ago now. But go ahead and believe his hype with no credulity.
The FSD is amazing now, just got another update tonight. I have it on my 2 Tesla's. Love it. the new version is amazing and makes driving much easier, much safer and lots of fun. And it keeps getting better with time, just like fine wine.... I definitely will keep subscription, now at 50% off... I think Tesla's move is going to bring lots of subscribers. On a personal note, In all honesty I have been a subscriber and using it since last June, and few months back I decided to cancel my subscription for a month, and I could feel the difference in driving and using the car. It is hard to describe, but once you go FSD, there's no going back to regular auto-steer, the car will become dumb & boring to drive. I find the new 99 usd/m subscription price reasonable, and is within reach of at least 70-80% of the Tesla drivers. I feel the car insurance premium will be lower if you use or subscribe to FSD in the near future. Heck Netflix now is almost 30 usd/m. Tesla is about to start generating lots of revenue... Go TSLA.
Wish Tesla would cover any wheel damage including scuffs/ scratches to aftermarket powder coated wheels if damaged using FSD, l'd consider. Over a year with 10k miles and not a single mark on my rims. Is this a common issue with FSD, curb rash?
@@TailosiveEV and a photo proves the vehicle was actively in FSD. No, people are WAY to incentivize to lie on Tesla if they want to be believed they need to provide video of it hitting curbs while FSD engaged
I still haven’t gotten the FSD free trial. I’ve had three software updates in the last month, but nothing. 😕 At 100 dollars though, I’d subscribe if I’m going on a road trip.
I have a 2022 model 3 rear wheel drive with parking sensors (built in 11/2021) and I haven’t gotten it yet . My brother who lives in the same city got it 2 days after Elon announced it . He has a dual motor 2023 model y . There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the rollout . Also Ryan Shaw from the TH-cam channel has yet to get his either from the video he posted a couple of days ago.
Yeah, love this news! Great video. But I wonder... if we were to say Basic Autopilot (BA) was tier 1, Enhanced Autopilot (EA) was tier 2, and FSD was tier 3. Jumping from BA to FSD is like going up two tiers to the highest for $99 Jumping from EA to FSD is like going up one tier to the highest for $99 also. I would think since you are only going up one tier it would either be half off (or more) of the two tier $99. They have already paid to go up a tier to EA. Give the EA folks an incentive to make the jump. Or am I missing something?
Still boggles my mind they’re charging people to babysit and train their model with full liability on the driver. It should be the other way around, they should pay people to use it.
FSD is largely only good for trips because in the suburbs, it’s more torture to use than just plain driving. It’s worth $100 for a 1000 mile trip, but not for 250 four mile trips.
My 2018 M3 has EAP and with HW 2.5 its been flawless of late. As far as I’m concerned its the perfect package. My wife’s 2023 MY is in free FSD mode currently and its very impressive… just that it works at all. BUT, not worth paying for until its fully unsupervised and Tesla is liable when engaged. FSD around town is like constantly babysitting the world’s shittiest driver. For me its more stressful than just driving. I believe licenses for personal use and (if it happens) robotaxi use will bifurcate and pricing of FSD for personal use will modulate to maximize revenue. Robotaxi license would be higher cost and Tesla will control the number of licenses in each market. Early adopters will probably get Robotaxi license.
I think they will have to go to a "use limited" pricing model,.. you can have the cheap prices, but for personal use only, not for vehicles operated in a robotaxi manner. Would be easy to detect "robotaxi" use,... long operating hours, very wide range of routes. The they can charge the much higher ownership (or by mile) rates for that use case but keep an enticing rate for loyal Tesla owners that want it for private use. It was always madness to envison selling a car+FSD for $50k that could earn hundreds of thousands per year.
@@TailosiveEVAgreed,.. There's other stuff like the hardware not being really suitable, for example, what happens if a customer leaves the door open (in an S/3/Y)? Does it sit there, beg passerbyes for help? Would need to somehow add full range motors to the doors. (I was just always amused by the absurdity of the financial model of all the Stans dreaming of their Robotaxi empires in the good old days of "Tesla to the moon" and "nobody understands exponentials but us")
Perhaps reasonable move short and medium term financially yeah Tesla could have difficult financials this year-probably not reasonable to turn on and off for road-trips yeah one hopes good enough for full time use and that increased uptake will be positive financially but I definitely wonder about that based upon TH-cam polls I’ve seen - Tesla definitely has potential in their not car businesses one hopes to avoid potential Lucid even Rivian etc bankruptcy BUT wow will be difficult year even given so much government help aside from Germany I guess sadly ending some incentives in particular🥵
Definitely an improvement but probably still in the well off techie enthusiast domain. They can get a sense for the take rate at 99 but I hunch that mainstream adoption has to be significantly lower. I'm an AI computer scientist and I probably wouldn't even get it at 99 until my finances are flush enough to not matter (effing china threatening invading taiwan or I would be there already :). 99 might triple the take rate but to be really mainstream I'm guessing something like 42$ a month will be needed. They could also try 69$ but even that might still hover in enthusiast niche territory. It's like 900$ a year or say 5k for the ownership period. You can get stuff for 5k. People might want other things. But if you are making 3-400k in silicon valley, 99$ is a no brainer. 99$ is a sandwich and a large soda
I'm actually shocked you're having such a bad FSD experience. I have a 2023 RWD And it's been flawless with the only exception being having to change Lanes abruptly after making a turn to make a follow-up turn. Everything else has literally been perfect even in San Francisco roads. I'm curious if the 2023 models have upgraded internals or something interesting nonetheless
So I paid $6000 for enhanced AP a year ago.. This Highway Version never got converted to the FSD stack.. i paid $6k just so i can subscribed to FSD at $99. now with the price cut, looks like i got screwed out of $6000.- Elon, what are you doing to rectify this.? is this how you treat existing customers that help you beta test all these years?
Don’t pay thousands to beta test if thousands is a meaningful number to you. I consider it a waste of money and always have. Nothing today really changes that. Save some money and don’t subscribe to fsd. Driving isn’t hard and babysitting a car isn’t productive or relaxing.
I have EAP with FSD @ $99 Now we are all cheated out of $6k. We need to file a complaint with BBB for this bait and switch tactic by Tesla. This is extremely unfair practice..!! If Tesla doesn't fix this.. I will cancel my FSD.
Until it's $50 a month or $500 a year, FSD will only ever be 'a luxury' the average vehicle owner will never consider paying for. Much as StarLink is still a luxury option at its present cost. FSD needs to become a standard licensed component of every new car on the market, much as NACS is for charging plugs (NASS 'North American Self-driving Standard'?) 2.5million currently registered EVs on US roads= a LOT of annual income. Then add the ever increasing numbers as we climb the EV bell-curve. It'll pay for all the R&D Tesla has done on this over the years, and then be a constant income stream until some other competitor comes along for their share of a planetary market. Tesla's biggest problem in years to come will be from anti-monopoly legislation I'd suggest?
Starlink is NOT a luxury for those who live in remote locations it’s literally the only option and for what you get it’s a great deal maybe you are just poor
It's licensed to the car not the owner, so you can get it on a used car. There have been exceptions/problems with salvage titles, though. I would make sure to have it in the contract with the seller to cover yourself too. If you trade it in to Tesla, though, they remove it so a buyer has to pay for it again. They claim to give you value for it on trade in, but I am pretty sure it's not 12k.
Update: Tesla is no longer offering Free FSD transfers 😢
Another slap in the face to loyal customers. omg
If you pay $12,000 for full FSD, you should absolutely be able to transfer it to new vehicles as long as you are still the registered owner of every new vehicle. That’s the only incentive for buying it. $99 per month, 12 months in a year, for 10 years is only still less at $11,880. Most people don’t keep their vehicle 10 years, so there has to be some incentive to pay that much money up front or you might as well just do the $99 a month forever.
@@Starwarsgames66 The average age of cars on the road is 12.5 years, in America.
And people that live in states with mild warm weather keep their cars even longer.
In California, a car can be 20 years old and still look almost new.
The subscription model makes way more sense if Tesla takes legal liability since the “AI driver” will need to be “insured”.
I would consider paying $12k for a personal lifetime license transferable between cars but no way I’d pay to attach it to a car.
And no way I’m letting my car be a Robotaxi, why would you let people puke in the back of your car for a dollar per hour.
But $99/mo is the first time I’ve ever seriously considered getting FSD
I got it. $100 is an ok amount.
I don't think paying $12K for FSD is worth it unless you can transfer it to a new Tesla. It's wrong on all levels that you can't transfer it after paying that much for something. Either make it a subscription for everyone or allow FSD transfer all the time.
$12k should be a LIFETIME SUBSCRIPTION for the purchaser. Forever transferrable whenever they upgrade to a new model. IMHO
Awesome. Going to get it. No brainer at that price.
I don’t personally think the take rate will be all that high.
Ive used it twice since we got the trial. I see no value in it until its level 4. And even then, maybe $50/mo. for something ill use only occasionally.
Yeah me too. I'll take good Level 2 autopilot before bad FSD.
Rich, currently FSD is a barely Level 2 driving assistant. Full autonomy is a long ways off.
I genuinely believe that one day Tesla will make FSD free.. it will be the main standout feature for Tesla as other EVs catch up especially with NACS, and Tesla will license FSD to other companies and make it free on their own vehicles.
That'll be amazing for adoption
That would be awesome. I would pay for it on my Aptera, but it would have to be edited because of the Aptera’s shape.
Not free but 20 a month…. Every Tesla owners and their mother would get it.
@Dekauwu Aptera is going with OpenPilot and either CommaAI's hardware or possibly their own. If I recall it is an ,$1,800 dollar option. There is know way I am paying $12,000 or $100/month for driver assist.
That’s literally never going to happen. It will only increase in price Elon himself said if it was level five autonomy and you could sleep in the car. The software will be worth 100K. why the hell would they give it away for free when they can just print money with the best software ever created by humans
FSD just launched in Canada!
The subscription everything is really getting on my nerves. The idea that you can afford anything for $99.99 is one reason everyone is having such a hard time affording anything.
If you were paying $0.20/kWh for electricity thst $100 would get you 500 kWh of electricity. The Model 3 LR uses ~0.300 kWh/mile. So on 500 kWh it could travel 500 kWh ÷ 0.300 kWh/mile = 1,666.7 miles. Times 12 months, that is 20,000 miles of driving.
I'm not thrilled that that the price is the same regardless of whether or not you have enhanced autopilot (which I have on my S but not in my 3). However, I'm pleasantly surprised that it's $99 here in Canada (in CAD, which is about $0.75 USD on the exchange rate).
So, I can buy FSD for a whopping $12,000 OR I can subscribe for the low price of $99 per month? How is this even a question? I will need to subscribe for TEN YEARS before it becomes more expensive than if I had bought now.
I'll take Driving Myself For $0 dollars Alex
For me what I really want is permanent access to summon and auto lane change.
Hmm, now the subscription rate is the same for those with or without EAP. It used to be 99 vs 199. I was disappointed that it didn't go down to 49 for those with EAP.
@@photonqopt yea it really should have. Makes EAP less attractive but I also don’t want to pay a subscription just for EAP since I really didn’t care for fsd.
It’s not going to stay 99 for very long though. FSD capabilities are going to rapidly increase now that they are not compute constraint. Therefore, the price itself is going to increase.
FSD is GREAT ! Love it. Tesla should require viewing a short video in car video to activate FSD.
Tesla needs to open more delivery / service / collision centers. You should not have to drive hours to get your car serviced or repaired after an accident. Northern Indiana is a Tesla desert with the only repair / collision centers being in Chicago. What a traffic nightmare. Tesla needs to plan out service centers like they plan out charging stations. You should only have to drive so far to get to one. You should not have to travel to the next state to get your vehicle repaired.
I know Tesla is trying to make vehicles need less service but accidents happen. Tesla needs more repair / collision centers so you do not have to drive to the next state to get your vehicle repaired. Having a large, delivery, service, collision center in Northern Indiana would spread out the overall service area.
Many people are reluctant to buy a vehicle from a company that has no dealers / delivery /collision or repair centers within a reasonable driving distance.
FYI I just moved out of Indiana after living there for 8 years. There is a Tesla building in Indianapolis on the North side near I-69 and the loop around the city.
It would be a lot easier to get to there than to go to chicago.
I drive through that area all the time as I'm a Professional CDL driver.
Although I feel your pain as I moved to Northern Missouri.
When I bought my 2023 Model Y Long Range in December 2023. I had to drive all the way down to St Louis to pick it up.
The only service centers in Missouri are in St Louis and Kansas City 🤦♂️
If you do not have AAA, get their highest tier now! The reason why is Tesla's roadside assistance often only goes out 50 miles from the nearest service center.
AAA's highest tier allows towing up to 250 miles. So if your car ever breaks down you can get it on a flatbed all the way to a service center for sure!
Considering a 250 mi tow with a flatbed at this stage will cost you $300 to $500 for one instance. It is money well spent!
Also if you don't have one I recommend a Modern Spare Brand Tire and Jack system for your car.
They are pricey, but that plus the tools needed to change a tire should be in your vehicle.
This is especially important as you are not within the range of a service center the same as I am..
Advice from a CDL driver with over a million accident-free miles. 😉
To be fair, in some state, there are legal restrictions on how many centers Tesla could open due to their none dealership business model.
@@CY-my7fz Ah! I didn't know that! Well that stinks to high heaven! 🤬
I'm in at 99.00 per month. Way to go Tesla!!! Well done.
Agree with what your saying Drew. $99 will probably bring in more subscribers not sure if it will 2X or 3X with this price but I'm thinking if Tesla made it between $25-$50 per month it could easily 10X or more subscribers of FSD. At least they're listening and understand at it's current state FSD isn't worth $12k or $200 per month, get it to level 4-5 and then you can charge that price, depending on economic conditions at that time.
FSD is making great progress. Tesla should allow owners to add FSD to a second owned Tesla family vehicle at a discounted price.
Someone that has purchased FSD should have a transferable license and be able to use it on multiple family vehicles.
Why has there been such a long delay to updating or refreshing the Model S and X interiors with the new ambient lighting.
Many people are holding off buying a new Model S or X while waiting for the new features. Why the slow roll out ?
The focus on FSD is great but the cars need timely updates to their features. The slow roll out hurts sales.
New features need to be rolled out promptly and not dragged out. The lack of focus on the Model S and X is hurting volume sales.
All the costs for research, development and amortization of manufacturing equipment for the S and X should be written off by now.
It is time to lower the prices of the Model S and X to reflect the reduced costs.
Yes, great progress: the very latest 12.3.4 is still making all kinds of obvious mistakes. 100 percent supervision is required.
Now that compute is not the limiting factor, Elon wants more data!
NVidia has been selling monster compute cards for YEARS. And now compute is not the limiting factor? Yeah right.
Elon has no credibility. The man was sanctioned by the SEC for lying to manipulate Tesla stock ‘funding secured’. He also almost got sued for fraud with what he said in his solar roof presentation. And he said the Tesla semi truck could ‘outcompete’ diesel trucks in a worst case scenario and that the truck could do this ‘right now’. That was many years ago now. But go ahead and believe his hype with no credulity.
The FSD is amazing now, just got another update tonight. I have it on my 2 Tesla's. Love it. the new version is amazing and makes driving much easier, much safer and lots of fun. And it keeps getting better with time, just like fine wine....
I definitely will keep subscription, now at 50% off... I think Tesla's move is going to bring lots of subscribers.
On a personal note, In all honesty I have been a subscriber and using it since last June, and few months back I decided to cancel my subscription for a month, and I could feel the difference in driving and using the car.
It is hard to describe, but once you go FSD, there's no going back to regular auto-steer, the car will become dumb & boring to drive.
I find the new 99 usd/m subscription price reasonable, and is within reach of at least 70-80% of the Tesla drivers. I feel the car insurance premium will be lower if you use or subscribe to FSD in the near future.
Heck Netflix now is almost 30 usd/m.
Tesla is about to start generating lots of revenue... Go TSLA.
I lost my EAP when I traded to a new Tesla! Dumb
Why would you do that? You trade for another used to keep EAP.
Wish Tesla would cover any wheel damage including scuffs/ scratches to aftermarket powder coated wheels if damaged using
FSD, l'd consider. Over a year with 10k miles and not a single mark on my rims. Is this a common issue with FSD, curb rash?
I haven’t had it curb yet but it has come awfully close. Others have reported it
@@TailosiveEV”reported”
@@zandercerlong7238yeah. Reported. As in where people state something occurred that they allege to have observed or heard of.
The posted photos of if.
@@TailosiveEV and a photo proves the vehicle was actively in FSD. No, people are WAY to incentivize to lie on Tesla if they want to be believed they need to provide video of it hitting curbs while FSD engaged
I still haven’t gotten the FSD free trial. I’ve had three software updates in the last month, but nothing. 😕 At 100 dollars though, I’d subscribe if I’m going on a road trip.
$100 is not bad. I would definitely consider it for $60/mo.
Am I the only person who hasn't gotten the FSD free trial yet?
I have a 2022 model 3 rear wheel drive with parking sensors (built in 11/2021) and I haven’t gotten it yet .
My brother who lives in the same city got it 2 days after Elon announced it . He has a dual motor 2023 model y .
There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the rollout .
Also Ryan Shaw from the TH-cam channel has yet to get his either from the video he posted a couple of days ago.
I only got mine like 4 days ago. You should get yours soon.
I haven’t either. 2024.8.9 software here
I'm still waiting in Michigan. I feel like I'm dehydrated watching everyone drink water in front of me lol
I asked around……you ARE the only one without. 😕
Tried it, still not really that good yet
Same… wish I had the smooth performance other people have reported
@@TailosiveEV same as you, it keeps saying the front left bumper sensor is blocked. Huh?? It's a clear day
@@TailosiveEVI have a feeling those people are whitewashing their experiences.
@@Sqeptick even people who have been skeptical and shit, talking FSD in the past are now having good experiences
@@Sqeptick Whitewashing = cheerleaders, or compensated endorsers.
My app says its 6K for FSD. Of course I have EAP so maybe that is why it is less.
lower it to $25 and I'm all in!
Yeah, love this news! Great video. But I wonder... if we were to say Basic Autopilot (BA) was tier 1, Enhanced Autopilot (EA) was tier 2, and FSD was tier 3.
Jumping from BA to FSD is like going up two tiers to the highest for $99
Jumping from EA to FSD is like going up one tier to the highest for $99 also. I would think since you are only going up one tier it would either be half off (or more) of the two tier $99. They have already paid to go up a tier to EA. Give the EA folks an incentive to make the jump. Or am I missing something?
If he cut the price of the speed upgrad in half, id buy it today. Because at $100 fsd im in.
Still boggles my mind they’re charging people to babysit and train their model with full liability on the driver. It should be the other way around, they should pay people to use it.
It’s the best software ever created by humans it has tons of value. Why the hell would they pay people you sound like a fool
Agreed, 100 percent. Well said.
I thought fsd price would be going UP as it matured.
if they keep it at that price I might actually stay subscribed
FSD is largely only good for trips because in the suburbs, it’s more torture to use than just plain driving. It’s worth $100 for a 1000 mile trip, but not for 250 four mile trips.
paying $99 for Tesla FSD is like paying 99 cents of Apple iCloud storage 50 GB.
still waiting for FSD 12 and my free trial. Still on 2024.8.9 on a 23MYLR. I’m not spending $99/month on V11.
I’ve been following your woes with FSD and I feel genuinely bad for you dude. Have you tried recalibrating the cameras in the software menu?
Moving in the right direction but still too expensive for most, I think. I wouldn’t subscribe until FSD is level 4 or 5.
Nice! From tweet to implementation sure doesn't take long.
My 2018 M3 has EAP and with HW 2.5 its been flawless of late. As far as I’m concerned its the perfect package.
My wife’s 2023 MY is in free FSD mode currently and its very impressive… just that it works at all. BUT, not worth paying for until its fully unsupervised and Tesla is liable when engaged. FSD around town is like constantly babysitting the world’s shittiest driver. For me its more stressful than just driving.
I believe licenses for personal use and (if it happens) robotaxi use will bifurcate and pricing of FSD for personal use will modulate to maximize revenue. Robotaxi license would be higher cost and Tesla will control the number of licenses in each market. Early adopters will probably get Robotaxi license.
I would get it if it 20 month…. 100 a month is way too much
Broke ass
I think they will have to go to a "use limited" pricing model,.. you can have the cheap prices, but for personal use only, not for vehicles operated in a robotaxi manner. Would be easy to detect "robotaxi" use,... long operating hours, very wide range of routes. The they can charge the much higher ownership (or by mile) rates for that use case but keep an enticing rate for loyal Tesla owners that want it for private use. It was always madness to envison selling a car+FSD for $50k that could earn hundreds of thousands per year.
IF they can turn personally owned vehicles into RoboTaxis. That’s a big if. Legally it’s not possible yet
@@TailosiveEVAgreed,.. There's other stuff like the hardware not being really suitable, for example, what happens if a customer leaves the door open (in an S/3/Y)? Does it sit there, beg passerbyes for help? Would need to somehow add full range motors to the doors. (I was just always amused by the absurdity of the financial model of all the Stans dreaming of their Robotaxi empires in the good old days of "Tesla to the moon" and "nobody understands exponentials but us")
Tesla did go to the moon though I bought 150K in 2017 check out my portfolio now:
I'm impressed with the tech of FSD, but I won't use it because it's a crappy driver. Neat tech, not practical for real world commuting.
Perhaps reasonable move short and medium term financially yeah Tesla could have difficult financials this year-probably not reasonable to turn on and off for road-trips yeah one hopes good enough for full time use and that increased uptake will be positive financially but I definitely wonder about that based upon TH-cam polls I’ve seen - Tesla definitely has potential in their not car businesses one hopes to avoid potential Lucid even Rivian etc bankruptcy BUT wow will be difficult year even given so much government help aside from Germany I guess sadly ending some incentives in particular🥵
How many of TH-cam poll answerers had really used Telsa with free trial I dunno…
99 a month or 12k for sketch software that will only get more expensive. I'll pass on that.
Definitely an improvement but probably still in the well off techie enthusiast domain. They can get a sense for the take rate at 99 but I hunch that mainstream adoption has to be significantly lower. I'm an AI computer scientist and I probably wouldn't even get it at 99 until my finances are flush enough to not matter (effing china threatening invading taiwan or I would be there already :). 99 might triple the take rate but to be really mainstream I'm guessing something like 42$ a month will be needed. They could also try 69$ but even that might still hover in enthusiast niche territory. It's like 900$ a year or say 5k for the ownership period. You can get stuff for 5k. People might want other things. But if you are making 3-400k in silicon valley, 99$ is a no brainer. 99$ is a sandwich and a large soda
I'm actually shocked you're having such a bad FSD experience. I have a 2023 RWD And it's been flawless with the only exception being having to change Lanes abruptly after making a turn to make a follow-up turn. Everything else has literally been perfect even in San Francisco roads. I'm curious if the 2023 models have upgraded internals or something interesting nonetheless
It’s definitely been trained heavily in San Francisco
@@TailosiveEV yeah that's valid, good point. We have tons of them here in SF.
So I paid $6000 for enhanced AP a year ago.. This Highway Version never got converted to the FSD stack.. i paid $6k just so i can subscribed to FSD at $99. now with the price cut, looks like i got screwed out of $6000.- Elon, what are you doing to rectify this.?
is this how you treat existing customers that help you beta test all these years?
Don’t pay thousands to beta test if thousands is a meaningful number to you. I consider it a waste of money and always have. Nothing today really changes that. Save some money and don’t subscribe to fsd. Driving isn’t hard and babysitting a car isn’t productive or relaxing.
I have EAP & I will NeVer EvEr EvEr pay Single cent more for any Tesla ADAS/FSD. - Taylor Swift
I have EAP with FSD @ $99 Now we are all cheated out of $6k. We need to file a complaint with BBB for this bait and switch tactic by Tesla. This is extremely unfair practice..!! If Tesla doesn't fix this.. I will cancel my FSD.
FSD is only worth no more than $50/month. FSD sales are over
$99 to get killed 😂
$12k is a deal if Tesla solves FSD soon. And if that is the case, kiss that $100 per month goodbye.
“IF” of the day!
FSD is *nowhere* even close to being solved. Don't worry about that.
I love the skits on tech can you please do one every couple of videos on ev
Insurance companies will force legislation eventually. When it comes to wheeled transportation, humans will be restricted to scooters.
Until it's $50 a month or $500 a year, FSD will only ever be 'a luxury' the average vehicle owner will never consider paying for. Much as StarLink is still a luxury option at its present cost. FSD needs to become a standard licensed component of every new car on the market, much as NACS is for charging plugs (NASS 'North American Self-driving Standard'?) 2.5million currently registered EVs on US roads= a LOT of annual income. Then add the ever increasing numbers as we climb the EV bell-curve. It'll pay for all the R&D Tesla has done on this over the years, and then be a constant income stream until some other competitor comes along for their share of a planetary market. Tesla's biggest problem in years to come will be from anti-monopoly legislation I'd suggest?
Starlink is NOT a luxury for those who live in remote locations it’s literally the only option and for what you get it’s a great deal maybe you are just poor
_as we climb the EV bell-curve_
What bell curve? Less than 1 percent of cars in America are Tesla.
And sales are DOWN lately.
I’m confused by one thing: can you really get FSD in a used Tesla from someone other than Tesla?!?
It's licensed to the car not the owner, so you can get it on a used car. There have been exceptions/problems with salvage titles, though. I would make sure to have it in the contract with the seller to cover yourself too.
If you trade it in to Tesla, though, they remove it so a buyer has to pay for it again. They claim to give you value for it on trade in, but I am pretty sure it's not 12k.