I Would Never Install A Brand New Linux Distro
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- I want to discuss with you guys some thoughts that I have regarding new Linux distros. I think that we, the community, are doing a lot of harm showcasing these new distros in videos or in online publications. Most of these new distros are just not very good...
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It all goes back to the fact there really only a couple of different distros: Debian, Fedora/RHEL, Arch, Suse, Gentoo, Slackware, and Nix. Most all the rest are just repaints of those and usually provide not much you can't get from the OG distro.
Solus?
Void?
Gapetto OS with the Pinocchio desktop
4MLinux is also independent, and always been a favorite.
@@danduby8416 yes but it does not use systemD so it's difficult for DT to review it...
This takes me back to your video talking about how the future of Linux should be install scripts that configure a desktop on top of Arch, Debian, or some other big distro, instead of having hundreds of flash-in-the-pan distros.
DT, I just wanted to tell you that I really appreciate the fact that you consider what's responsible and what isn't responsible to publish. In what you're talking about in this video, but also in general, I've never seen you get pulled into politics etc. We live in a world where people who make media often take the position "why can't I just say whatever I want as if I'm just having a private conversation?" and it's amazing to see someone who's takes a few moments to consider what kind of impact they might have. Kudos and thanks
I'm testing a lot of distros, desktops, windows, utilities... and finally, I focus as near as possible on "mother" distros like Debian, Arch, RedHat... to be sure the development team is active. Second criteria are the website, the documentation, the support one can expect. Last but not least, installing and testing seriously... not only how to change themes, wallpaper and backgound colors but also setting up multi-monitors, network connections, available utilities and applications...
Isnt redhad is "based" on fedora?
@@xsael8501 Fedora released after rhel
Let me get this straight. You spend a lot of your time distro hopping and "rating" distros and comparing them to your "ideal" version of Linux. So what if you actually spent that time taking on a "roll-your-own" distro and actually building the Linux that YOU want, as I do with Gentoo. To me, that would be a far more productive use of your time.
@Arnav Vijaywargiya You are completely incorrect in your assumptions - what your comment tells me is that you never used Gentoo and are relying on what "a bloke in the pub" told you without doing your own independent research and fact-finding - you actually prove my point for me.
Gentoo runs on "any old cr*p" which makes it very easy to have multiple machines available to me at any one moment in time - ultimately, it's an 8-character BASH alias that kicks off a Gentoo update on a machine, and I can use another machine while that one is compiling - and creating local binary packages to distribute to my other machines awaiting update.
In other words, I spend no more time on Gentoo updates than anyone else would on Ubuntu or Mint.
And, with respect, I do not get random crashes or dependency problems on Gentoo - if there is a dependency to resolve, then it's prior to update rather than finding out about it afterwards.
Define "functional package manager", by the way. I already have that in Gentoo's Portage system - bearing in mind that I am "conservative" in my software choices and do not constantly need "bleeding edge" software anyway.
A lot of the problems I see described in YT Linux channels with the likes of Ubuntu, Arch, etc. you don't get in Gentoo. There is a huge stability and speed advantage compiling against latest library versions than relying on binary packages.
I use the 5 year rule. First the distro must exist for 5 years. Second the development team must be open and receptive to feedback.
This is why Solus failed me, and why I don't use a lot of brand new distros.
I loved solus,
I think it was the os that worked best with my hardware but had to ditch it because of issues with the development team
what distros are you using?
@@emptybottle1200 I currently use a mix of Debian and Gentoo at home with Rhel and CentOS at work
Check out Nobara, it's only a couple years old but glorious eggroll says he'll keep maintaining it as long as he's using Linux because it exists for his sake as much as ours.
As a syadmin, I should increase your rule for at least 10 years: 10 years of support, regular updates and so on.... I am a old-school Unix sysadmin, so when I install a machine, I am hopping this machine will be around at least for 10/15 years... now, with virtualization, machines/systems can be "virtually" immortals (I have several machines with a lot more than 2K days uptime)! Because that the support/updates roadmap are extremely important for me.
New to the channel and must say thanks for the top notch pro but laid back content! Been around the distro-globe and I always land back in Debian. The main reason is I can mirror the repo for offline use rather easily and it's stable as I choose it to be. Took the plunge and upgraded to bookworm from bullseye today and impressed with how stable it is for a soft-freeze release. I miss the bleeding edge of Arch and the tinker of Gentoo but I now enjoy the stability and not having to update 1-3GB every week. For must-have new stuff I just debuild it and safely install the deb on my system. I'd assume Debian ain't going nowhere lol so it's worth it to me to invest my knowlege into it.
Thanks for sharing 😃🙏
DT, I really appreciate your sense of responsibility. I watch your vids because I think you're a straight shooter with your own take on things, but I'd never install a distro on my main machine just because you or anyone on the Internet is boosting it; if I want to try a new distro, it goes on a secondary computer or a VM.
I stopped "distro-hopping" a very long time ago. I use Debian GNU/Linux and have used it in many of its different guises. In the past I've used Debian with XFCE, Gnome, KDE, though I've been a long-time Stumpwm user. Debian GNU/Linux can be "heavy", it can be "light" it is long-term (one of the first few GNU/Linux distros to exist) with a big developer/maintainer community behind it.
Distro-hopping for me just means screwing my computer and making it unusable for more time than I can afford ... and then doing it again.
Edited to add: Ubuntu is notorious for not upgrading properly between releases. I've never had a serious (actually I can't remember any) problem with upgrades of Debian stable to the next stable.
I use Arch GNU/Linux
This is a very good video, and important information DT. I watch a channel that seems to have a new Linux distribution that it reviews and gives it a thumbs up. All his reviews are super positive, and it's kind of messed up because they are not that great, mostly for the reasons you gave in this video.
I like your presentation sir.
I have tried several distros such as Mint, Ubuntu, and Fedora but every time I've had issues with my laptops audio/video drivers. My laptop has a NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3000 chipset and Hi-Res Realtek Audio driver. Linux doesn't support my laptop drivers. I had to switch back to Windows do to my issues with the drivers.
I could not agree more. I have tried out at least 20 distros that had potential then *poof* gone. The only distros I'll recommend to new people I can count on one hand with fingers left.
I agree with this. Then again I mostly stick to the main distos or at the very least well established based distros (mint, pop, endevour and so on) that aren’t likely to just disappear in the middle of the night without at the very least a path forward from them (if endevour died tomorrow it would just become arch).
Probably the best things of arch distros is if a distro dies you can just keep using with the arch repos normally, instead of having to deal with a ton of modifications in the core of the distro
stumpwm is a tiling window manager. Do you make a review of it?
DarkOs creator here! I've created that distro back in 2020 and been working on it till the end of 2021. I'm still pushing couple updates (not isos) from time to time.
I can't maintain it all by myself, besides it's not even profitable.
I'm still using it as my daily driver, old versions work but do an update for a better reliability.
I can't fault your efforts but I could have told you that your distro probably wouldn't be profitable before you started with it - if your aim was to make money from it.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Didn't start it for making a profit, it was a hobby project. But yeah it was worth it.
Some info on Security Onion, DT. It's a Linux distro for cyber threat hunting and network monitoring. It's purely tailored for cyber defense. There's no reason for anyone to use Security Onion as a daily driver. It's a useful distro for its purpose, but there's not much reason to install it if you're not hunting cyber threats. Those who need it will already know they need it. You don't have to introduce it to people. It's hard to not hear about in the security field.
I used Axyl OS for the better part of last year. I loved their i3wm version until the August update broke things and made it laggy 🤣
Do you have a link for that XYZ-distro?
;p
too right DT, this is a problem with most recommendations for 'lite systems for older laptops' - I fiind it is always best to go for a Mint variant (Maté best all round out-of-the-box experience for me)
For really old laptops I like antiX or any of the distros that let you do a minimalist install like void, arch, etc
Define "older laptop". I have a Thinkpad T22 from around 2001 with a Pentium III CPU and 512MB RAM in it that runs Gentoo perfectly fine. Sure, I'm not going to be doing any web surfing on it any time soon but it has a great keyboard and I use it as much as once a week to SSH into my home server and write a few scripts. It runs i3wm and in on a second desktop I will have mutt open for email and a music player in a third window. It's a great "distraction free" way to do computing.
Great content! Throwing a stone in the bush... What is up with Solus OS? The site has been down for a month now and though their twitter feed keeps on saying they are working on it, this does not vote well for its future in my books and no one is speaking about this!
I wondered about Solus a few weeks back (was looking for a distro to play with on a secondary laptop) and was really sad to see that it seems to be dying. Supposedly you can still download ISO images, but ever since Josh left the dev team they've been sinking, or at least that's the appearance, despite that they keep announcing things to the contrary. It's sad because Solus was one of my first distros and I very much enjoyed it for a time.
EDIT: according to DistroWatch their last ISO release was in July of 2021. I think it's safe to say it's effectively dead, at least for the time being. There's a status update post, but sounds like their servers went down almost a month ago and they're struggling to even get those back up so users can use the package manager.
I’ve used security onion in the past. It’s been 7 years, but they were great for a lot of cyber security testing and projects. There’s a download, but I’m guessing the page isn’t laid out the way DW wants it. Idk what it’s status is today though
Agree with you but sometimes it can be interesting to look at something new. Not to recomend it or to use it but to see if you do something exiting, funny or weird.
Amd you could say what you think about the future of that Distro.
Vanilla OS you took a looks at is a good example which is brand new.
BlendOS might be an other.
I'm glad someone made a video like this, honestly. I'm trying to learn about Linux and follow a bunch of youtubers. Ive been basically deciding between Mint and Garuda and have been testing both, on and off, but in the meantime I'm seeing things popping up like "Try Cachy OS", "Use Nitrux for stability", "Yoooo Big Linux!". It gets a little overwhelming for someone new like me. And even though I am new, I feel like...it would ONLY be negatives to use what is basically a much lesser known version of a bigger distro....right? Like...what WOULD be the benefit of using Cachy OS over Garuda? Or using Zorin over Mint? That's an honest question, I really don't know. >.> The variety with Linux is amazing and it's been awesome learning about it. But the sheer amount of distros out there, and the fact that it seems like 2 new ones pop up every day...does get a little overwhelming.
Zorin is pretty good and a OS long around. It is a little slow on updates but they have their fix update plans. And Zorin offers the Gnome Desktop while Mint does not.
CachyOS is fucused on performance (only supports x86-64-v3) and Garuda has a really intense look. Sure you can change it but it is always better for a new user to use what the Distro provides.
Ubuntu has the biggest available info in the Internet as it is the biggest Distro out there.
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is good if you want the newest things as fast as possible. Mint and Zorin are just really easy. Install and use your pc.
With everything Arch based you might need a lot of time to fix things if you are a beginner.
The solution is just select one of the 5-6 major distributions, preference to the ones that some one near you use so they can help you.
And most distributions are mostly the same. Files are usually in the same place, and they mostly have the same major software.
I would recommend Debian (or some one large based on that, like Mint or Ubuntu), Fedora (I don't use, but many other uses it, or Suse), maybe Arch (or something large distributino that are based on that and been with us for some years).
And as a beginner, you will not see the difference between Debian and Mint, or Ubuntu. It is mainly just the skin, the looks that is different. And you could actually make that look work on either Debian, Mint or Ubuntu. As that is basically "just" configuration and files.
After you have made yourself familiar with those major Linux distributions, you can try out the others.
I would recommend you first install them in Virtual Box or some virtualization software like that, before installing it on your computer. So you see if you want to dedicate a couple of weeks on them, and if they work for you.
So to summarize this.
IF you are new to Linux, don't try out some distribution that is small or have not been around for a while (as in a couple of years, preferable more then 4-5 years). When you know your way around, then you can try out other distributions.
Not all rolling releases need a new iso every week or so like arch.
Void only makes one iso per jear. This iso will work and a simple update will bring you up to speed without any breakages.
Hey DT ...Did you ever look into XentaOS ?
valid points DT , I always give a good look at the state of any distro I try regardless of reviews etc always dyor. sooo opens the door to new content really... so ill say this in format XD Hey DT what are some arch spins you like and think/hope will be around in a year or two?! why arch cuz we all know there are far far to many spins/distros based on arch.. they seem to pop up under every rock and bush.
Stick to fedora, ubuntu flavors, arch, manjaro and a few related forks. What matters is what desktop environment you choose which in general the top 3 major fedora, ubuntu, arch/manjaro offers them all and how often they release a new version.
Arch and Manjaro are not the same thing. And shouldn’t be lumped together like that. Manjaro may be based on arch but it has its own repos and it’s own maintainers. It’s like calling Ubuntu Debian.
@@DonaldWyman Same arch family. Their egos won't be affected.
we use sec onion in cyber security. i'm not too familiar with it, but we used it a little in school.
it took me probably 5 years to install my first copy of ubuntu for that very reason. I cant be bothered to have to change distros.
"Seeking new graduate distributions to join our friendly team of professionals for a junior level role. :)
Requirements: - Be a team player - Get it done attitude.
- 3 years experience"
I didn't realize it was a rant till the end, no worries
I think the biggest problem is that features are not easily cross distro, if there was a standard for how things are built and done across distros the cool stuff could be passed around
I do not consider most of them "distributions". 99% of them are simply re-spins of one of the 4 or 5 major distributions.
This really depends, some new distros suck, some not, take VanillaOS for example, even thought it's Ubuntu based, it's really interesting and it doesn't even feel like it's ubuntu, but there are distros that are basically arch linux clones with configured window manager and changed neofetch
Well, I don't see that as a large problem.
Just do some basic critical reading when it come to new distributions, as you do. That is why channels like DistroTube have a place. To present distributions that are (enough) live to look at.
This posts are good as it make people aware of that many smaller/new distributions doesn't have enough users to keep it alive.
But there are no way to certify centrally who are allowed to make distributions. Because if they are exceptionally good, they can advance and make real competing distributions. Many of the newer distributions after Debian would not be allowed if there was a certification procedure.
As with desktop and window managers, and other Open Source Software or Free Software, as long you don't pay, you have no say in what people put their effort. And if you try to force people, they will refuse. Unless you actually pay them with something.
Try out Astra Linux. Based on Debian, not new, great for older PC, has its own DE.
Hi DtI am a newbie, also english is not my....you get it.
Now, i use arco linux on a 2010 mac device (not sure is 2010 but is around that time), I have tryed Manjaro, Ubuntu and others. I am very happy with Arco, I love you, I love Eric.
To my stupidity... is not the kernel! You said it before: it is about the desktop!
I love Arco Linux - maybe because of you. I have tried Ubuntu, Mint and some else , not very more. I have tried Arch, but was a bit hard for me because I have no sound...and other things.
My computer was unusable when Arco update ruin my booting... I install the system again because what I found over the internet did not help me.
Conclusion: Linux is good, no matter distribution!
Find a base, find a desktop!
Rest is, for talking nonsense.
If you have the desktop and the distro...you find it!
Why we talk about new one? Because we love new things.
Good, let's make them come!
I love you, I love Eric!
In the next years, maybe I will love somebody else, but for the moment: big love to you!
Lather edit:
I love o see I use 6.1.12-arch1-1, latest kernel.
Give me more! But I never try it!
Unless a new distro has a unique concept such as Kali linux emphasizing security tools, it is going to be nothing more than a minor alteration of what is already out there with its own bugs and issues. Rather than create Yet Another Ubuntu Fork, these developers would be of more use to Linux by joining an existing distro to improve it rather than create a sub-flavor.
Using an old, unsupported distro is a security risk and ought to be avoided.
I use debian + i3wm, i custom it by myself, and i love it.
05:37 isn't PrimeOS android x86_64?
I think about longevity and stability, funding, server class, embedded, professional support. Maybe the idea should be: make your own, just don't share it. A lot of these distros are simply daily drivers for home. A valid distro I saw recently, beyond Fedora or Ubuntu, was Clear Linux. It actually has valid tweaks for Intel arch., server support, etc. That makes sense, but if the only thing that drew me to Manjaro was their kernel tool, which is nice, but not really keeping me in Arch land. It's nice, but no enterprise server stuff or funding by the big boys. I'm drawn back to Ubuntu because I'm just done with it. I need a clean standard to work without the tweaking and ricing. Concentrate on other stuff.
thats why i had problems with axyl.it always broke after the first update restart..
I have a confession. I made one recommendation to you and it was this distribution. Please forgive my transgression. That's clumsy of me to not do a little more homework before I make requests. I hope you will disregard it. I love your channel man!
Many people have good intentions in sharing their creations but it will require a lot of dedication and if anyone has thought that it can make them money... they should get it out of their head right now. Sometimes you can't even earn enough to maintain a web page and even less for a server. This is the reason why many creators end up being disappointed with this project soon.
I guess we'll be waiting till sometime next year then, before you have a look at Rhino.
That's why I'm sticking with those that have been around for a long time and are actively maintained and supported.
Sure, but if you only look at distroes you would recommend new users use, then you only have like 3 distros to look at. I for one am more interestest in a look at CachyOS than the 10,000th review of the latest Ubuntu release.
I just googled "linux distro that focuses on window managers" and got "axyl" as the first result (unfortunetly).
can you please suggest a distro of the same kind that is still maintained?
What do you mean by "focuses on window managers"?
@@andrewwigglesworth3030
Axyl only has TWM flavors. No DE.
and the last ISO came out in August.
Sounds like he wants another tilling-centric distro that's currently maintained. 🧐
@@tonyf5869 You can do that with other distros.
For example with Debian GNU/Linux you can install it without any desktop environment and them install whatever you want ... TWM (and many other window managers) is in the repos ready to be installed.
@@andrewwigglesworth3030 I meant window-manager-based, I used the wrong word I guess.
So the extent of your Linux research is just doing one Google search? And then you gave up?
My thoughts exactly.
What your system name?
Only in a virtualbox derek..only in a virtualbox or is this your final broadcast lol...best wishes my friend.
When he said distros that dont get updated I thought Axyl. RIP
Most "distributions" are just customizations of people that like to show off something. Doing a real distro is a real effort. See how much time SerpentOS is taking to be released or how many work distros like Void take to be maintained.
It is sad that these Spins are being called "distributions", because they are not operating systems by themselves. Today, it only takes a random Indian kid with too much time to compile something, add a PPA, make an ISO and release a new distro that adds nothing to the table.
Debian and Arch do it for me. No need to change because they always work.
Stuff like this makes me think, while I do respect people on the idea of being able to make a distro for yourself. I feel like it would be better to contribute to the issues with distro you like initially.
my girlfriend's dad had a windows 8.1 laptop and it was very slow. then windows forced an update and it made it so slow it took literally 55 seconds to open firefox....I saved him from buying a new laptop by installing garuda linux and now his laptop is faster than it has ever been.
a great instance of: 1) what do you want to do? - surf the web, 2) what software do you need? - any browser, 3) what hardware do you need - any low spec laptop on the market, 4) what OS does the job cheapest? Linux...
I currently run my GFs old Laptop, since mine is in repair. She newer used it anyway, because she didn't need/use it often, and when she did, it took forever to boot due to windows updates. And Windows was kinda slow anyway.
I slaped Kubuntu LTS on there and I'm kinda suporised; in what I do most of the times, I can't tell a difference in speed at all. It's a 6 year old, low to mid range model and it's very smooth.
@@sagichdirdochnicht4653 you can’t tell a speed difference? Even the heavier Linux distributions should be faster than windows 10
@@tylerdean980 LOL, no, sorry, I wasn't clear in what I was saying! Of course Linux is faster - it's not even a challenge! And Kubuntu isn't exactly minimal as well!
What I meant is, that her laptop doesn't feel any slower then mine on most tasks I perform, although my machine is at least 10 times more powerfull.
@@sagichdirdochnicht4653 is your girlfriend aus denken?
😀 👌 👍
So uh, I'd like to comment about it. A comment, that is plausible and easy to understand. Something that anyone can read through and cautiously, without rushing, and enjoying every second of it.
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You are wrong, lol. User control > everything.
Same problem with ArchCraft, now its updated to 2023. before that, the ISO is old..
HMMMM man woke up and choose to speak fax.
Cutefish died since the maintainer's company was acquired by another company. They basically stopped the maintenance of Cutefish.
That Axyl distro was nicely themed, which is something I find common to many zerolife-distros. like they put all the energy themeing everything and then they run out of diesel or something. It's fun to know that the most beautiful distros out there are riced to the point of unusability
Probably the best thing you can do is install it in a VM, see what it has and copy the dotfiles mounting the VHD to achieve the same thing in a not dead distro (usually arch)
@@luizansounds I'm running custom version of ArcoLinux on 1208 machines, all bare-metal. Servers also running Linux with 300'ish VMs. I simply don't have the time to mess with unusable distros.
@@NesherAmir this is pretty nice tbh, arco is a really solid distro
With that said; I'ma recommend Zenwalk.
Lightweight and based on slackware, updated to 15.
Comes with XFCE, flatpak and appimage.
A lot of distros is just a spin on something else. Private builds put together by a developer to alter it's look and feel. Pop OS is just scaled down Ubuntu. I run Linux Mint and Bios calls it UBUNTU.
As a gamer i once used a BETA game. It was bad and needed to be patched and fixed. This is why i say wait tell it gets older becuse it will be patched up. Now i run old games 10 years old or more. It is just plug and play. That is why i use Linux Mint. It's old yes but it works.
It's sad it's was like cute fish os. It had one or two isos, then jt was gone.
Many of these distros are just basically theme packages.
Those distros belong in VMs, not on production machines from users that expect an actual user experience. I have been there..
Well Gentoo has been around since 2002 and is still going strong… 😉
At some point I will switch to Linux, so I want to ask you guys: which one is better for gaming? PoP OS or Mint Cinnamon?
Hi! I use Mint Cinnamon too and I think it's great for gaming. There is a built-in driver manager to make sure your Nvidia cards are working, so I think it's got the edge. Also, Cinnamon is very easy to switch from Windows because the way it's laid out is quite similar. Both are great choices, and in the end, they're both based on Ubuntu and you can switch anything you don't like for something else! I would say to try both before deciding using a VM or USBs.
Pop os. I used both. It's not even close.
Stick with Windows for gaming if you want ease of use - there are too many "software fashionistas" installing Linux to look "l33t" in front of their peers who then whine on and on about how their crappy AAA "games as a service" don't work properly.
I banished Windows from my existence when support for Windows 7 ended but I also haven't bought a crappy AAA game in a decade now.
But I am also an "engineer" who believes you just use the "best tool for the job".
The chicken and egg problem in short for you
does someone remember Vanilla OS?
I would bring to life gnome two, because it's lighter to use.
The only distro i am looking forward to is Dhalia OS. In the mean time i'll stick to Manjaro. It's never puta food wrong.
Recently just installed Debian Testing
i installed nobara and now it's my daily driver, replacing windows, easing me into linux
ALT Linux is a very good, old, distro too.
Hair today, gone tomorrow.
Agreed! Too many Channels push just anything without considering the consequences. New users get a bad experience and give up on Linux.
Then those same new users need to work out why they think they need Linux in the first place and then put in time and effort to understanding how it works - it's not my job to act as some kind of "Linux zealot" or wipe their backsides for them.
The Linux community is extremely helpful but new users have to read documents and test things themselves before asking for help - I will help "nudge" anyone in the right direction if they are trying something and get stuck - but I won't do it all for them.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I'm not saying that... If new users get a Distro that pretty much just works on Day 1, they might not need your help in the first months. That gives them time to familiarize themselves with Linux.... and they may never need your help. Later on, they can always move to Arch or whatever.
@@Germoney2000 It's not a case of whether or not they need my help - it's about how much they've "helped themselves" before coming to me for help.
If you are one of these people that refuses to read the great documentation that many good people in the Linux community create before asking for help, you're normally the same kind of "self-entitled brat" that complains of "toxicity" in the Linux community.
I will absolutely help any newbie that "meets me halfway" and has already tried to fix a problem themselves doing Internet research and reading documentation - we all of us had to do it, and we still have to do it in our continued learning.
@@reramu "stop thinking like a damn programmer..."
I don't take orders from strangers on the Internet.
And stop with the "amateur Internet psychologist" nonsense - they haven't invented "Telepathy over TCP/IP" yet and even in the rest of your comment above, you've got me completely wrong to just make yourself like an idiot.
Next time we meet, do try to keep up and stay on topic. I am a topic you know nothing about and therefore you only end up looking foolish trying to debate a topic you know nothing about anyway.
Run along now, sonny. Mind how you go and stay away from sharp scissors.
Discussion closed.
This is why I use Arch btw
still using Linux Mint 😉👌
A serious problem talked over...
Luckily not everybody thinks like that. Where would Linux be today if nobody ever installed a new distro and give some feedback? Bit sweeping some of those statements. But I get it - it's entertainment.
it actually is a problem operating system isnt something most people want or should replace every few months or even less then that. Which is why i dont stray very far from bases, most i ever strayed was the time i ran arco
Reject modernity, embrace Slackware.👴
You and me, bud.
He doesn't know how slackware works especially superboxon. Its systemD free...
I broke my "Linux virginity" with Slackware back around 1997 when you could order it on Walnut Creek CD ROMs.
I will always have affection for Slackware but Gentoo has been my "one true Linux love" since 2003 now.
Linux Fedora is cutting edge
😅😅😅
i love my debian
My question is why do all of them have so many weird names
Like for example whats a Gentoo
gentoo is a penguin species name
Personally, much more sad when a new DE dies than some random new weekly xyz distro. Good useful software is far more scarce, even now.
If I was making a distro, I'd rather it NOT be paraded in front of people until a small community had at least had a chance to find problems over a long period of time. At least a few release cycles.
What you'd "rather" is irrelevant. Linux is about "choice", you can do what you want with it. It's not for you or I to say otherwise.
Catch 22. New distro can't get off the ground without support. No one will support the distro because it's new.
I use and love Mint. I shudder to think of what it's earliest days must have been like.
@@mattkwarren Food for thought.
So I shouldn't recommend Hannah Montana Linux to people? Just kidding. To be honest, I don't stray away from major distros like RHEL/Fedora, Arch, Ubuntu/Mint/Debian because they are well maintained. If I did try out what I like to call a Mom n Pop distro, I'd probably install it on hardware that isn't going to hurt my feelings if the system crashes.
Sorry to not support new distros but I prefer the old and checked ones. That's why I always go with Debian.
Oh boy this aged like milk
The Linux community makes things way more complicated and confusing than they need to be for the new-to-Linux crowd. They are enthusiastic and evangelical about operating systems, except to them it's clearly as much or more a hobby than it is using your computer as a tool.
Most users do not care about the differences between distributions. Their eyes glaze over if you try to explain to them the difference between a desktop environment and an OS.
There is only one relevant metric for someone new to Linux - what has the highest probability of working with the fewest headaches?
And there is an extent to which the user themselves will need to experiment in order to determine what they need and what they like/dislike. But recommending distrohopping or giving them a list of two dozen distros is pointless when someone doesn't even have a basic grasp of the underlying architecture.
I distrohopped a lot starting out. It became clear fairly quickly that it was pointless and that for the day-to-day operation of my system I would have been best served just sticking with the first one I tried, that being Pop OS. Taking the different DEs for a test drive is worthwhile - but beyond that, you pick something that works, something that has a strong track record and THEN experiment if you get the urge to do so once you know your way around well enough to understand why there's a big difference between dnf and apt and why you'd want native packages over flatpaks or appimages in one context but not another.
I tell friends who are interested in Linux - there are not hundreds of varieties of Linux. For the typical user, there are five that matter - Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, OpenSUSE. Out of the distros built on these, there are a dozen viable desktop operating systems and several hundred science projects.
There is no universal newbie - I came in willing to tinker and learn, so I had no issue running Arch-based distributions out of the gate. I can Google and I can follow instructions. It's not hard. I make restore points and I'm used to troubleshooting from the many issues Windows has given me over the years. Arch is easier than keeping Windows ME stable and functioning. So I don't consider Arch off the table for the right kind of newbie. Hence when I recommend Linux, I keep the list to something like:
Debian - LMDE 5; I know there are likely others that could go here but one, I find Debian overall to be harder to work with than Arch, and two, my main system needs a newer kernel than Debian has to run properly. LMDE 5 is the only distro that has universally given me a smooth experience with Debian.
Ubuntu - Ubuntu (any of its flavors), Pop OS, Linux Mint
Fedora - Fedora, Kinoite/Silverblue - I actively recommend against Nobara because if someone doesn't know Linux and doesn't know what they're doing, I think it would likely introduce too many potential issues to be worth it.
Arch - Endeavour OS or vanilla Arch
OpenSUSE is OpenSUSE - you can't go wrong with anything they offer, but I do warn it has a steeper learning curve than some of the alternatives.
If the goal is actually to get more people running Linux and to provide them with a smooth experience, Linux content creators would do themselves a BIG favor by simplifying and focusing on what people need to get work done and enjoy their machine over whatever the flavor of the month is. I appreciate the enthusiasm - I really do. But 90% of what Linux TH-camrs end up talking about is of zero interest to anyone outside the greater Linux bubble.
I appreciate content on the differences between GNOME, KDE, Cinnamon, etc. I could put KDE on someone's system and they'd have no idea what KDE even is. The operating system, as a tool, is at its best when it becomes invisible to the average user - when they're not thinking about the names of the programs or tools they're using, they're just able to do whatever they need to get done.
Blowing up your system to try an untested distro from a two-man team is not that.
Fedora rules
I cannot fault the effort you put into making your content, the quality of your output and the passion you have for Linux (as do I).
But I do not personally watch a lot of your content because I really have no interest in trying out new distros or updates to existing "mainstream" distros - I started with Gentoo in 2003, after 7 years of distro hopping myself, and I've stuck with it ever since, with no intention of changing.
In some respects, what your content does (and the content of other creators) is make far too many people too lazy to do anything for themselves - they think that learning Linux is just about consuming videos and trying nothing for themselves. That is immediately not a mindset that will make you successful with Linux.
The people that particularly annoy me in comments are those who write "Can you now do a video about..." the moment you or other creators post a new video - as though they've completely ignored what you have just posted but are so self-entitled that they think it's fine to demand you (and others) keep churning out content to their specifications free of charge. I think a lot of millennials and genx-ers lack self awareness, to be honest.
To use Linux well, you MUST put in time and effort yourself to learn it (and continue to learn it, as a "veteran" like me is still doing). The types of comments that get posted in Linux channels indicate to me that most people do not have the correct attitude or drive to ever be fully successful with Linux anyway, and they should probably stay away from it.
I think there are too many "software fashionistas" out there who just care about proving to their peers how "l33t" they are putting Linux on their computer whilst simultaneously whining about having to use the command line, one or more of their stupid AAA "games as a service" not running or just being completely obsessed with eye candy and package manners. In other words, they want the impossible - Linux delivered to them on a silver platter to their specifications without having to put in any hard work themselves.
As far as I am concerned, if you are sat there consistently distro hopping and trying out all of these new distros, then that to me is an indication that you still don't know what you actually want from Linux - at which point, you should logically be putting time and effort into learning how to build Linux better and to customise it how you want it. That's exactly the reason why I have stuck with Gentoo for 20 years (after distro hopping myself) because with the knowledge and experience that I have with Linux, I can build my Gentoo machines how I want them.
There's too little "engineer's mindset" and critical thinking in the millennial and genx-er community of today. A computer is a tool for productivity and entertainment, and you should always use the best tool for the job. I personally rid myself of my Microsoft abuser when support for Windows 7 ended (I haven't bought a AAA "games as a service" piece of crap for a decade now) but if you need to play such games on your computers, then install Windows 10 - it's virtually free, it's the best way to play your silly little games without experiencing problems and it stops you whining on and on about how this game doesn't work on Linux, or that anti-cheat is a problem...
Learning Linux can be summarised in four words - "effort in = reward out". And if you're not willing to put in the effort, then you've no right to sit there consuming video after video whining on about how it doesn't do this or doesn't do that. Guess what - nobody ever said that Linux would do what you expect it to do, and then it's up to you to do the research and experimentation to try to make it do it.
@@reramu You make the fatal mistake of assuming that I care about how many other people use Linux, like I am some kind of Linux zealot. In reality, 2% or 92% desktop share would make no difference to how I use it - I have used Gentoo Linux as my main OS for 20 years and and work in cyber-security on Red Hat Enterprise Linux servers pays me a nice salary, thanks very much.
My personal Linux universe is perfectly fine, what others do is up to them.
This is the problem when "amateur Internet psychologists" like you make silly assumptions about someone you've never actually met - and get it completely wrong.
I share the same opinion as Chris Titus Tech: Most of them are useless anyway.
Been saying this for years but everyone always defends them. Developers are newbs too you know
even older distros SUCK!
Mint/Ubuntu for instance has a severely outdated repository
many time I have to go the the software site to get the latest version
sometimes you end up compiling... which SUCKS!
So you're one of these people that just has to be on the latest software versions no matter what? I don't use Ubuntu or Mint personally (I do install one or the other for friends or family who are trying Linux out for the first time) but I also fully believe in the concept of not just updating "because it's there" because that, in turn, creates other problems and instabilities.
Linux Mint
Been trying distros for the past 10 years, just switched to MacOS, the state of multimedia and desktop in Linux is just painful
No, the state of multimedia and desktop is fine if you put in time and effort to do testing and research and fix a lot of things yourself. If you're not willing to put in that effort, then go to MacOS or Windows, we agree.
Of course, the downside is you've "sold your soul" to Apple and can forget about privacy of your data and actually being allowed to use a computer the way you want to.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I've been using linux flavours since 2006 and yes, the state of multimedia compatibility and usage got worst every year. Everywhere you ask people have problems with audio, wifi, BT, and some of us can't struggle all the time with something that basic because of work so, don't get me wrong I love linux but the current state of usability is just a mess.
@@maxibtc Three things:
1. You're not agreeing with me or "neutering" my comment into something it was not:
"and yes, the state of multimedia compatibility and usage got worst every year."
We don't agree on that point, period. "and no" would have been more appropriate and demonstrated that you'd actually read my point.
2. "Everywhere you ask people have problems with audio, wifi, BT,"
This is not a "me and my virtual gang of mates" argument - you can only speak about YOUR experiences unless you've done a valid survey of other users which goes toward conclusively proving that this is a widespread problem. In my experiences, if such problems do exist then they are fixable or can be worked-around with some applied effort. You don't strike me as someone that puts in much effort, and probably gives up at the first hurdle.
3. "I love linux" - that's irrelevant, you're still completely wrong in your assumptions.