I would say the main difference is the shape of pressing without the ball, as Flick's Bayern was settled and established to recover the ball exactly after losing it. Barça in that match especifically was always caught in transition, cuz the team wasn't correctly positoned to make the press, that's what costed the most many times last season, I think🙌. Great video btw!!
then how would you compared it to the Barca of the 2022/2023 season? high press, many recovers. As I see it the lack of a pivot as Busquets should be way more study
@@kaustralishamal2054 You are right, there is relation with the lack of pivot as well, but I think the thing is on the first line of pressing, the attack wasnt doing the job that needed to be done, Lewa, Felix and all of that. But yeah, having a positional pivot probably would solve part of the problem🙌
Seeing this just after I finally felt like I could get over what happened, losing feels infinitely times worse when its done by players you want to succeed.
I think the difference is Flick's Bayern had Goretzka who acted like a box-to-box midfielder with physicality, one who could win the ball and press effectively. While Pedri & Frenkie are both exceptional on the ball I don't think neither of them are in the mould of Goretzka. Gavi could be coached into one though. He's a much better presser & a natural ball-winner than the afore mentioned two.
Gavis natural role isn’t a Goretzka type. Hes a natural ball winner, yes, but he’s also the player that is efficient with ball carrying, never losing possession, and creating danger for the opposition through his technique and intensity. Hes a pure midfielder, providing both defensive and offensive opportunities. Someone involved in every area of the game.
The biggest difference for me between Flick and Xavi for me is the press. The press under Flick is a bit more organized while under Xavi I didn't feel like that was the case.
The press under Xavi was one of the worst from a top team last season, but in the season when we won la liga our press was one of the best. The main problem and and difference is the pressing.
@@glacier8678 the experience of busquet, the constant injury to most important midfield like pedri, gavi and fdj, also, I think the fast winger, xavi key play depends on that fast winger like adama or dembele or perhaps aubameyang.
Ironically, our first game this season is at valencia. Can't wait to see how we set up and how much more or less vertically the team is. I will be waiting for a video after that game👉
I think they're is two difference between Xavi's and Flick's tactics. 1. Pressing intensity 2. Usage of wide players ie. Wingers and fullbacks. Flick's winger play more inside thus allows fullbacks to push even further.
isn't that exactly as we played when we won LaLiga? Balde and Kounde were going forward, Gavi was the 4th mid, and everyone was pressing. The key diference was Busquets missing and so many injured players. He had the choice to use Ferran or Raphinha as the right wing but he took Yamal because of his characteristics, we really lack fast runners last season.
Difference is how the fullbacks and attackers are positioned, in flick's team the fullbacks occupy more advanced aggressive wide positions while the attackers are playing in a deeply centered position. In xavi's system the attackers are holding wider positions while the fullbacks are always behind taking more of conservative role.
I see the light! This De Jong-Pedri-Gundogan lineup would be crazy. Xavi was unfairly criticised cos his players lacked finishing. People don’t know Barca was top 3 in Europe for creating chances.
A Pedri-Frenkie pivot will be defensively too vulnerable. One of the pivots needs to be Gavi, who showed glimpses of what he's capable of in that position, at the start of last season.
Wow yes let's use 19 yr old gavi who tore his acl as a starter again because that would be great idea 😂😂and let's completely ignore the fact that doing this could lead to be injuries that could potentially end his football career 4ever
@victordunks3567 no way you said gavi has no defensive awareness & as good as Christensen was in the double pivot last season he's not a double pivot naturally, a real double pivot should be signed someone like yousaf fofana from Monaco
I was thinking the same, Defensively Barca will be Vulnerable.. And Putting Gavi with Frenkie will not be that good Beacuse Both of them aren't Physically that good Even tho When comparing to the Other players on the Squad they have better Defensive and Offensive capabilities, But We need a Proper Dmf Kind of Player, I'm not saying about Just an anchor man instead we need a Player like Kimmich or Anyone who is Better Defensively and Have Decent Offensive Capabilities
@@_Avaan_ I might be crazy, but I could suggest Ferran for this role, 1st, he has enough strength, size, and height to be in this role, and he is smart enough to read the game, and also he is not good enough to execute the goal as a front line. It might take long to let him adapt , just like how cristensen as dmc. the risk worth to take in early season.
What I didn’t like about Xavi was how slow he had us playing. We’d swing the ball from side to side so slow and when we would reach the opposing teams 18 yrd box, we wouldn’t take risks or take any chances. Hopefully Flick can change that.
I 100% agree with u on what u said about pedri and the difference of playing him deeper or higher up the pitch as i also feel like he's wasting his ability with his back against the goal, which is one thing i hate with spain tactics in the euros atm even tho fabian is playing amazing in that deeper playmaking role with rodri espacially againt italy today (my motm 100%). And the big difference i see between hansi's bayern and our tactics is probably the amount of defensively minded or focused player which created a much more balanced approach even tho u play an attacking football. With players like kimmich, pavard and goretzka for example and also davies who's a bit stronger than balde defensively imo. They have those players in areas where we have de jong, pedri and cancelo playing who are all players who likes to roam from their positions and be creative with less focus of defense which often creates dangers on the counters. Another thing as you said is ofc the vertacality, but in xavi's defense we don't really have a strong vertical player in the attack espacially with the hate towards roque and him not playing who could've been the solution in some situations... Another reason nico would be an amazing addition.
I should also say that its not only the players but also about understanding and taking precaution of being ready to defend when in possesion, meaning playing possesion in a way that makes you less vulnerable if u loose the ball which i think pep implements pretty good in man city too.
The difference between flicks Bayern and Barca vs Valencia is physicality, both in pressing to win the ball and runs to create more spaces throughout the 90 mins
What's even crazier is that, Along with those midfield Maestros in Pedri, Dejong and Gundo, If Gavi can come back to where he left off, He can easily Be a Fix/Sub for ANY of them if/when necessary. 1. The De Jong role: He can easily be the midfielder to drop deep and be the 1st man to bring numerical advantage in the backline and progress according to the needs, be it by flowing through the pressure or connecting with the rest for a quicker progression. OOP, he's the bull of the team anyways. 2. The Pedri role: Maybe not yet as comfortable as Pedri in dictating the tempo of the game being a Top teams only Creator, but he has the technical ability to do an OK-job on that role. Has to improve his Range of passing too. 3. The Gundogan role: Now , for that role the 10 needs to make the quickest of touches and the best of decisions to bear the best fruit or create a chance. Plus he has to be a relentless attacker of space both on and without the ball, there won't be any problem for him in being the 1st player to make the press either. Somewhat similar to the invertered- LW from Xavi's Box mid field tactics which he excelled at.
What I'll be interested in seeing is how Flick gets around the physicality issue. Gavi and Pedri are very good, but they're also a bit size challenged. Frenkie is pretty good but he's not exactly powerfully built either. And having that trio of gifted midfielders, how exactly do you then not play all three somehow? But if you play all three, what exactly do you do with Gundogan? I could see a 4-3-2-1 happening, just to fit everybody in. Attacking fullbacks for width, Gundogan as a roaming attacking mid, Raphinha as second striker, and Lewandowski up top. Well, I could see that based on the players but I'm not sure it has quite the physical punch and pace that Flick would likely prefer. Bayern 19-21 had people like Kimmich, Pavard, Alaba, Davies, Muller, Boateng, and of course Goretzka to the extent his fitness allowed. Decent enough technique in that bunch but also people that could simply muscle their way through, which was why Bayern was so dangerous. They could finesse a game or they could just punch you in the face, and often enough they'd do both. Looking at the Barca team, there's a huge amount of technical proficiency, but there's not a lot of blunt force to fall back on when the finesse approach fails.
dunno why , but i feel that you focuse on barca more than any other team. i know they are the biggest name when it comes to tactics, non the less you can look for other teams modern teams or old teams like ajax or netherlands
The difference between flick and Barca against Valencia is quite evident Unable to finish those chances Barca created those chances yeah Buh they lacked that finish power
At Flicks Bayern the fullbacks used to create and overload on the flanks by constantly making overlapping runs. I also think Lewandowski had more trust in his teammates creating chances for him at Bayern. At Barca we often see him go deep or wide to recieve the ball when he gets impatient. When he does this, the box lacks a scoring threat. At Bayern he was always in the box and his team was able to feed him all the time. I hope Flicks system can reinstate some trust in Lewa.
I think barca would have same profile and stat players as bayern 2020 with Balde who could potentially be the next Davies kounde if they signed frimpong or atleast a better RB then Cancelo Araujo cuparsi also if they signed kimmich or Amado Onana with Franke de jong also merino and we have Gavi with Pedri Gundogan Fermin they could be better than Muller also we have Yamal and Raphinha who are goated and could really really score lots of goals in that deep inside the box role
I think the difference is the lack of a goretzka type , like Bayern for bigger games could deploy a more physical midfielder who could win duels: who was quick , and could win duels
Tbh. I think being a football manager is highly unthankful. Imagine the Pep era with Busquets, Messi xavi and iniesta being injured 40% of the time. Does anyone believe we would have amounted to the mighty Barcelona of that time? Like you said, Flick just has to be a bit more lucky regarding injuries. He could do exactly the same as Xavi but with less injuries and easily reach the semi final of CL
The answers to the question on difference in tactics, 1. In the valencia game with Xavi, the Wingers huge the touchline but with Flick its the Fullbacks instead. Other overall differences include the teams pressing and marking, the high defensive line. I would also mention that having Cubarsi play in games with a low block and 5 at the back would really help Barca next season. Gives you more control, but also play great counter attacks.
Flick wanted his Wingers, in the half-spaces closer to goal, so that they could link up with Muller and RL9 and also so they can score. The 8-2 loss to Bayern is a good example. Having wingers with pace in a 1v1 with ur CB isn’t where u wanna be. With Pavard, he is more like Kounde instead of being a pure fullback, meaning he wouldn’t normally cut inside but he would stay wide to stretch the middle and attack of the opposition, so that the midfields”double pivots” would have more room.
Injuries aside, do you think a De Jong - Pedri pivot would be successful? Or would you prefer to bring in a starter in the transfer window, namely to steady our transition woes that we were so prone to last season?
Pedri should be the cornerstone of Flick’s project he can dictate the game from deep as well as having an eye for a killer pass, perfect midfielder for him
A major difference is in counter attacks. Bayern scored lot of goals from the opposition’s failed attacks and also from a restarted game where they had the ball off target for a goal kick. Bayern prefer to reply that failed attempt immediately with their own attempt while Xavi prefers to either control or contain. The problem with Xavi’s approach is that the opposition gets even more brave to sacrifice more men when they see they can attack without any consequences. A Hansi Flick team would reply that fail attempt immediately.
Does Gavi have a place in this system? His intensity seems better suited for the double pivot, but that would leave a lot of creativity on the other pivot, since you will take away either pedri or de jong.
On the ball you're right using pedri as double pivot is good but when you lose the ball pedri can't cover space he can ran but covering space wining the ball back is needed not only one of the 2 pivots fabian ruiz is doing great i don't think pedri at that position he can do the same thing
I can imagine that Joao Felix and Raphinha were much wider, than Perisic/Coman and Gnabry. They played in the half-spaces much more often than Felix and Raphinha. And the full backs pushed a little higher.
I’ve always been against de Jong leaving, but I’m starting to think he might be the odd one out, with his high wages. In a 3 man midfield, I’d rather have a traditional pivot, with Pedri and Gavi/Gundo in front of him. And in a double pivot, I really think putting Pedri next to a traditional defensive midfielder would be perfect. In that case, Gundo and Fermin could slot in the number 10 position, while Gavi could play both the number 10 and in the double pivot
For that double pivot of Pedri and De Jong, that duo would be great going forward, just like Thiago and Kimmich. However both Kimmich and Thiago have a mean and nasty streak, they would make tackles and fouls when they need to. They are more adept at distrupting opposition play. But Pedri and De Jong are way too clean for those roles together.
I honestly think that Pedri feels more comfortable higher up the field than playing deep. This doesn’t mean, to deploy him as a 10 but instead give him that free player sort of role to move around. This will liberate him of the duties of a 6 and maximise his potential as a creator and controller. I feel when he is positioned as the second pivot, there’s too much responsibility given to him, which limits his ability as a player. And we have to understand that he’s still very young.
It's not like Barca was clueless under Xavi. We were making chances, we did figure out defensive shape late in the season with form again. But main issue with Xavi was he failed to fix the fitness/intensity/mentality issue at Barcanwhich also affected finishing, made many chances but didn't score. Barca just started messing the key passes. Fitness lacked too. Tactics are one thing but only players can execute them. In big matches team stopped playing in this way at all.
The difference between Xavi and Flick’s system is how the ball is moved quickly into the final third and how quickly it must be. Under Xavi the objective was to get the ball in the final third by using quick passing sequences with the players interchanging positions to bypass the press. The ball doing the hard work and the players guiding it into the final third and the box Under Flick, it is all about the players running into the spaces left in behind the defenders by using long passes from the midfield pivots and centre backs to the dynamic wingers,fullbacks and the 10 and from there providing crosses from half space into the box for the striker and the 10 making runs. The 10 is also responsible for drawing in the defenders with the unpredictable movements by dropping deep occasionally and making runs, providing the striker to have a one on one opportunity with the other CB if playing against a back four.
I still believe Gavi and FDJ are the perfect combination when it comes to the 8 and 6 while Gundogan/Fermin and Pedri are more the Muller position. I really do hope Nico Williams can come into the team and help with the attack
I know people are getting all sorts of opinions here as the difference among the two sides, And tbf in my eyes, after reading all of those, ig all of the comments are right. 1. But for me, a key key difference is the difference in ball playing progressive ability from a left footed CB, (DAVID ALABA) There are many things Barca currently have at their disposal, that can imitate / Adapt accordingly as per Flick's blue print Bayern team, but that "progressive ball playing CB in the "Alaba-profile" is something that was not visible in the Barca-valencia game. Barca is also missing THAT profile that can handle the left-foot dynamics from deep. That hampered the penetration/progression from the left very predictable, as balde was given the complete responsibility of that. A profile like Alaba not only Eases out the pressure on Balde, but also help in the team dynamics overall.
The problem with this lineup is that Frenkie proved consistently that he lacks many concepts in defense. Very limited defensive awareness and very bad positioning. He gets distracted too often, lacks the mentality. He fixes this sometimes by using his physicality and has nice highlights in defense - correcting his own positioning or poor decisions in possession. But he gets disconnected very often. This match was an anomaly because his through passes were great, but that does not happen very often though
Disagree with Perdi playing as a deep lying playmaker. My reasons are unrelated to him during possession, I agree with all what you said there, I just think that a pivot of De Jong and Pedri is so weak in terms of ball winning especially Pedri. De Jong has a good engine on him but has concentration lapses and Pedri simply has a lot to learn. Thing is if I am against him being DLP, then that would I mean I think he is good as a high 8 or 10, I don't. I still think he also has a lot to improve in that regard, finishing to be precise. But for some reason I see him getting better at finishing more than I see him improving at reading the play and having a better body orientation while defending. Edit: I think Gavi would be a much better DLP
One thing I'm very curious about is Raphinha's role. With Xavi he had his best performances on the left as an inside forward. But Flick likes his wide attackers and we know the right side is owned by Yamal. The club is looking to sign a more pure winger on the left so where does that leave Raph? I really hope Flick can find a way to fit him in, otherwise it's such a waste and we might as well sell him.
I would prefer cubasi and de Jong as pivot and gavi and pedri as 8 and 6 players and play faye as Lb as faye cubasi ariugo and kounde as back 4 in papper it 4:3:3 but in positional play it’s 3:2:2:3 if we can sign nico this system is unstoppable
Faye ariugo and kounde is pace and straight which mean we can stop counter attack easily and cubasi as coming to midfield in positional play mean we can read the next counter attack from the opposition fast because he read the game exceptionally
I think the build up is way faster with Flick, and the maturity of the coach, Xavi in difficult situations loses his mind, Flick seems to be more experience and mature
Bro as a barca fan right now de Jong isn't replying for contract renewal. So i want de Jong to sell for 80 million and also if barca has chance to bring minimum 50 from Fermin lopez barca need to sell him also. After these 2 moves barca need to sign Youssef fofana, amaud onana,angelo stiller and mikel merino.
Xavi had some horrible games last season. We barely do shooting practice and it's affecting us in games. Flick's Bayern was extraordinary in 2020 scoring from different kind of play; counter attack, direct and passing. If only Flick can transform Barca to play like his former Bayern side we would have a great season
I would say the main difference is the shape of pressing without the ball, as Flick's Bayern was settled and established to recover the ball exactly after losing it. Barça in that match especifically was always caught in transition, cuz the team wasn't correctly positoned to make the press, that's what costed the most many times last season, I think🙌. Great video btw!!
then how would you compared it to the Barca of the 2022/2023 season? high press, many recovers. As I see it the lack of a pivot as Busquets should be way more study
@@kaustralishamal2054 You are right, there is relation with the lack of pivot as well, but I think the thing is on the first line of pressing, the attack wasnt doing the job that needed to be done, Lewa, Felix and all of that. But yeah, having a positional pivot probably would solve part of the problem🙌
Here after yamal made Italian defenders dance in the pitch 😂
Didn’t…it was Inaki’s night.
@@Beyondhumanlimits1 Nico* but u r right tho but Yamal was also phenomenal
Seeing this just after I finally felt like I could get over what happened, losing feels infinitely times worse when its done by players you want to succeed.
@@Beyondhumanlimits1 nico had a better night, but both of them had them on skates, stop hating
Bruh it was literally Nico Williams that did the most damage but you can’t seem to get yamal’s meat out your mouth
I think the difference is Flick's Bayern had Goretzka who acted like a box-to-box midfielder with physicality, one who could win the ball and press effectively. While Pedri & Frenkie are both exceptional on the ball I don't think neither of them are in the mould of Goretzka. Gavi could be coached into one though. He's a much better presser & a natural ball-winner than the afore mentioned two.
But Gavi is short a won't win a lot of Arial balls
@@macmanuelodumeru3708same gavi who was winning aerial duels against the giant weghorst
Gavis natural role isn’t a Goretzka type. Hes a natural ball winner, yes, but he’s also the player that is efficient with ball carrying, never losing possession, and creating danger for the opposition through his technique and intensity. Hes a pure midfielder, providing both defensive and offensive opportunities. Someone involved in every area of the game.
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Isn't that the definition of a box to box midfielder?
@@LV-xy6vv Yes, Gavi will win the ball even if it is 10 ft in the air, or 3 ft underground.
The biggest difference for me between Flick and Xavi for me is the press. The press under Flick is a bit more organized while under Xavi I didn't feel like that was the case.
The press under Xavi was one of the worst from a top team last season, but in the season when we won la liga our press was one of the best.
The main problem and and difference is the pressing.
@@drjosiah3464the reason was busquets, Xavi wasn’t really able to adapt to handling a worse squad.
Gavi's injury was the difference in pressing between the two seasons
Mentality!!!
@@glacier8678 the experience of busquet, the constant injury to most important midfield like pedri, gavi and fdj, also, I think the fast winger, xavi key play depends on that fast winger like adama or dembele or perhaps aubameyang.
Ironically, our first game this season is at valencia. Can't wait to see how we set up and how much more or less vertically the team is. I will be waiting for a video after that game👉
Physicality is a main difference. More physicality means more sprints per game. Flick can do wonders if the physicality aspect is improved
I think they're is two difference between Xavi's and Flick's tactics.
1. Pressing intensity
2. Usage of wide players ie. Wingers and fullbacks.
Flick's winger play more inside thus allows fullbacks to push even further.
Very correct
isn't that exactly as we played when we won LaLiga? Balde and Kounde were going forward, Gavi was the 4th mid, and everyone was pressing. The key diference was Busquets missing and so many injured players. He had the choice to use Ferran or Raphinha as the right wing but he took Yamal because of his characteristics, we really lack fast runners last season.
Difference is how the fullbacks and attackers are positioned, in flick's team the fullbacks occupy more advanced aggressive wide positions while the attackers are playing in a deeply centered position. In xavi's system the attackers are holding wider positions while the fullbacks are always behind taking more of conservative role.
I see the light! This De Jong-Pedri-Gundogan lineup would be crazy.
Xavi was unfairly criticised cos his players lacked finishing. People don’t know Barca was top 3 in Europe for creating chances.
What do to you think about Barca possibly signing Nico Williams this summer?
A Pedri-Frenkie pivot will be defensively too vulnerable. One of the pivots needs to be Gavi, who showed glimpses of what he's capable of in that position, at the start of last season.
Wow yes let's use 19 yr old gavi who tore his acl as a starter again because that would be great idea 😂😂and let's completely ignore the fact that doing this could lead to be injuries that could potentially end his football career 4ever
Gavi has no defensive awareness. Someone like Christensen or Romeu could excel in that double pivot role alongside De Jong.
@victordunks3567 no way you said gavi has no defensive awareness & as good as Christensen was in the double pivot last season he's not a double pivot naturally, a real double pivot should be signed someone like yousaf fofana from Monaco
I was thinking the same, Defensively Barca will be Vulnerable.. And Putting Gavi with Frenkie will not be that good Beacuse Both of them aren't Physically that good Even tho When comparing to the Other players on the Squad they have better Defensive and Offensive capabilities, But We need a Proper Dmf Kind of Player, I'm not saying about Just an anchor man instead we need a Player like Kimmich or Anyone who is Better Defensively and Have Decent Offensive Capabilities
@@_Avaan_ I might be crazy, but I could suggest Ferran for this role, 1st, he has enough strength, size, and height to be in this role, and he is smart enough to read the game, and also he is not good enough to execute the goal as a front line. It might take long to let him adapt , just like how cristensen as dmc. the risk worth to take in early season.
What I didn’t like about Xavi was how slow he had us playing. We’d swing the ball from side to side so slow and when we would reach the opposing teams 18 yrd box, we wouldn’t take risks or take any chances. Hopefully Flick can change that.
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I 100% agree with u on what u said about pedri and the difference of playing him deeper or higher up the pitch as i also feel like he's wasting his ability with his back against the goal, which is one thing i hate with spain tactics in the euros atm even tho fabian is playing amazing in that deeper playmaking role with rodri espacially againt italy today (my motm 100%). And the big difference i see between hansi's bayern and our tactics is probably the amount of defensively minded or focused player which created a much more balanced approach even tho u play an attacking football. With players like kimmich, pavard and goretzka for example and also davies who's a bit stronger than balde defensively imo. They have those players in areas where we have de jong, pedri and cancelo playing who are all players who likes to roam from their positions and be creative with less focus of defense which often creates dangers on the counters. Another thing as you said is ofc the vertacality, but in xavi's defense we don't really have a strong vertical player in the attack espacially with the hate towards roque and him not playing who could've been the solution in some situations... Another reason nico would be an amazing addition.
I should also say that its not only the players but also about understanding and taking precaution of being ready to defend when in possesion, meaning playing possesion in a way that makes you less vulnerable if u loose the ball which i think pep implements pretty good in man city too.
Been WAITINGGG for this one
The difference between flicks Bayern and Barca vs Valencia is physicality, both in pressing to win the ball and runs to create more spaces throughout the 90 mins
The intensity and the focus
I could’ve missed it but I haven’t seen you talk about Gavi and how he would fit into Flicks system.
Need to an updated video…. Pre-season has been a revelation
can u do an ancelloti prediction on how they might line up with mbappe and how he might evolve his tactic?
Relentless pressing and intensity to win the ball back by Flick’s Bayern . Xavi’s Barca sometimes seem very casual to win the ball back.
What's even crazier is that,
Along with those midfield Maestros in Pedri, Dejong and Gundo,
If Gavi can come back to where he left off,
He can easily Be a Fix/Sub for ANY of them if/when necessary.
1. The De Jong role:
He can easily be the midfielder to drop deep and be the 1st man to bring numerical advantage in the backline and progress according to the needs, be it by flowing through the pressure or connecting with the rest for a quicker progression.
OOP, he's the bull of the team anyways.
2. The Pedri role:
Maybe not yet as comfortable as Pedri in dictating the tempo of the game being a Top teams only Creator, but he has the technical ability to do an OK-job on that role. Has to improve his Range of passing too.
3. The Gundogan role:
Now , for that role the 10 needs to make the quickest of touches and the best of decisions to bear the best fruit or create a chance.
Plus he has to be a relentless attacker of space both on and without the ball, there won't be any problem for him in being the 1st player to make the press either.
Somewhat similar to the invertered- LW from Xavi's Box mid field tactics which he excelled at.
What a fear the most about Flick is the width of the wingers, which I personally don’t like to be narrow at all (although it could work). We’ll see
can you also talk about the role of Gavi in the system? I like him very much, pure passion when it comes to football.
What I'll be interested in seeing is how Flick gets around the physicality issue. Gavi and Pedri are very good, but they're also a bit size challenged. Frenkie is pretty good but he's not exactly powerfully built either. And having that trio of gifted midfielders, how exactly do you then not play all three somehow? But if you play all three, what exactly do you do with Gundogan?
I could see a 4-3-2-1 happening, just to fit everybody in. Attacking fullbacks for width, Gundogan as a roaming attacking mid, Raphinha as second striker, and Lewandowski up top.
Well, I could see that based on the players but I'm not sure it has quite the physical punch and pace that Flick would likely prefer. Bayern 19-21 had people like Kimmich, Pavard, Alaba, Davies, Muller, Boateng, and of course Goretzka to the extent his fitness allowed. Decent enough technique in that bunch but also people that could simply muscle their way through, which was why Bayern was so dangerous. They could finesse a game or they could just punch you in the face, and often enough they'd do both.
Looking at the Barca team, there's a huge amount of technical proficiency, but there's not a lot of blunt force to fall back on when the finesse approach fails.
dunno why , but i feel that you focuse on barca more than any other team. i know they are the biggest name when it comes to tactics, non the less you can look for other teams modern teams or old teams like ajax or netherlands
The difference between flick and Barca against Valencia is quite evident
Unable to finish those chances
Barca created those chances yeah Buh they lacked that finish power
At Flicks Bayern the fullbacks used to create and overload on the flanks by constantly making overlapping runs.
I also think Lewandowski had more trust in his teammates creating chances for him at Bayern. At Barca we often see him go deep or wide to recieve the ball when he gets impatient. When he does this, the box lacks a scoring threat. At Bayern he was always in the box and his team was able to feed him all the time. I hope Flicks system can reinstate some trust in Lewa.
I think barca would have same profile and stat players as bayern 2020 with Balde who could potentially be the next Davies kounde if they signed frimpong or atleast a better RB then Cancelo Araujo cuparsi also if they signed kimmich or Amado Onana with
Franke de jong also merino and we have Gavi with Pedri Gundogan Fermin they could be better than Muller also we have Yamal and Raphinha who are goated and could really really score lots of goals in that deep inside the box role
7:23 Absence of a left footed centre back in Xavi's Barca vs Valencia?
Can we get an analysis on this spain team
I think the difference is the lack of a goretzka type , like Bayern for bigger games could deploy a more physical midfielder who could win duels: who was quick , and could win duels
your content about barca is amazing, best on youtube by far...
Can you take a look at Arne slot for liverpool
Tbh. I think being a football manager is highly unthankful. Imagine the Pep era with Busquets, Messi xavi and iniesta being injured 40% of the time. Does anyone believe we would have amounted to the mighty Barcelona of that time?
Like you said, Flick just has to be a bit more lucky regarding injuries. He could do exactly the same as Xavi but with less injuries and easily reach the semi final of CL
The answers to the question on difference in tactics, 1. In the valencia game with Xavi, the Wingers huge the touchline but with Flick its the Fullbacks instead.
Other overall differences include the teams pressing and marking, the high defensive line.
I would also mention that having Cubarsi play in games with a low block and 5 at the back would really help Barca next season.
Gives you more control, but also play great counter attacks.
Only davies does. The other full backs invert
Flick wanted his Wingers, in the half-spaces closer to goal, so that they could link up with Muller and RL9 and also so they can score. The 8-2 loss to Bayern is a good example. Having wingers with pace in a 1v1 with ur CB isn’t where u wanna be. With Pavard, he is more like Kounde instead of being a pure fullback, meaning he wouldn’t normally cut inside but he would stay wide to stretch the middle and attack of the opposition, so that the midfields”double pivots” would have more room.
Injuries aside, do you think a De Jong - Pedri pivot would be successful? Or would you prefer to bring in a starter in the transfer window, namely to steady our transition woes that we were so prone to last season?
Pedri should be the cornerstone of Flick’s project he can dictate the game from deep as well as having an eye for a killer pass, perfect midfielder for him
A major difference is in counter attacks. Bayern scored lot of goals from the opposition’s failed attacks and also from a restarted game where they had the ball off target for a goal kick. Bayern prefer to reply that failed attempt immediately with their own attempt while Xavi prefers to either control or contain. The problem with Xavi’s approach is that the opposition gets even more brave to sacrifice more men when they see they can attack without any consequences. A Hansi Flick team would reply that fail attempt immediately.
Does Gavi have a place in this system? His intensity seems better suited for the double pivot, but that would leave a lot of creativity on the other pivot, since you will take away either pedri or de jong.
On the ball you're right using pedri as double pivot is good but when you lose the ball pedri can't cover space he can ran but covering space wining the ball back is needed not only one of the 2 pivots fabian ruiz is doing great i don't think pedri at that position he can do the same thing
great video, great guy, keep up the good work!
Can you talk about Dorival Junior's Brazil national team?
I can imagine that Joao Felix and Raphinha were much wider, than Perisic/Coman and Gnabry. They played in the half-spaces much more often than Felix and Raphinha. And the full backs pushed a little higher.
I’ve always been against de Jong leaving, but I’m starting to think he might be the odd one out, with his high wages. In a 3 man midfield, I’d rather have a traditional pivot, with Pedri and Gavi/Gundo in front of him. And in a double pivot, I really think putting Pedri next to a traditional defensive midfielder would be perfect. In that case, Gundo and Fermin could slot in the number 10 position, while Gavi could play both the number 10 and in the double pivot
For that double pivot of Pedri and De Jong, that duo would be great going forward, just like Thiago and Kimmich. However both Kimmich and Thiago have a mean and nasty streak, they would make tackles and fouls when they need to. They are more adept at distrupting opposition play. But Pedri and De Jong are way too clean for those roles together.
difference is that wingers provide width instead of the fullbacks
Difference is peak lewandowski! lol
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I honestly think that Pedri feels more comfortable higher up the field than playing deep. This doesn’t mean, to deploy him as a 10 but instead give him that free player sort of role to move around. This will liberate him of the duties of a 6 and maximise his potential as a creator and controller. I feel when he is positioned as the second pivot, there’s too much responsibility given to him, which limits his ability as a player. And we have to understand that he’s still very young.
Talk about Onana. Would he fit in the dm position?
which onana
@@TasteMyYarroAmadou
Amadou is the dream signing. DM should be our first priority and Amadou is the clear number one on that list.
I think flicks bayern are more clinical than xavi's team against valencia, the bayern team would have converted those xg to goals 7:29
Looking forward for next video about barca or flik
It's not like Barca was clueless under Xavi. We were making chances, we did figure out defensive shape late in the season with form again. But main issue with Xavi was he failed to fix the fitness/intensity/mentality issue at Barcanwhich also affected finishing, made many chances but didn't score. Barca just started messing the key passes. Fitness lacked too. Tactics are one thing but only players can execute them. In big matches team stopped playing in this way at all.
Is the difference wide wingers in build-up in Xavi’s game vs Valencia and inverted wingers used by Hansi Flick?
The difference between Xavi and Flick’s system is how the ball is moved quickly into the final third and how quickly it must be.
Under Xavi the objective was to get the ball in the final third by using quick passing sequences with the players interchanging positions to bypass the press. The ball doing the hard work and the players guiding it into the final third and the box
Under Flick, it is all about the players running into the spaces left in behind the defenders by using long passes from the midfield pivots and centre backs to the dynamic wingers,fullbacks and the 10 and from there providing crosses from half space into the box for the striker and the 10 making runs. The 10 is also responsible for drawing in the defenders with the unpredictable movements by dropping deep occasionally and making runs, providing the striker to have a one on one opportunity with the other CB if playing against a back four.
I still believe Gavi and FDJ are the perfect combination when it comes to the 8 and 6 while Gundogan/Fermin and Pedri are more the Muller position. I really do hope Nico Williams can come into the team and help with the attack
Turning chances into goals
all we need is consistency
I know people are getting all sorts of opinions here as the difference among the two sides,
And tbf in my eyes, after reading all of those, ig all of the comments are right.
1. But for me, a key key difference is the difference in ball playing progressive ability from a left footed CB,
(DAVID ALABA)
There are many things Barca currently have at their disposal, that can imitate / Adapt accordingly as per Flick's blue print Bayern team,
but that "progressive ball playing CB in the "Alaba-profile" is something that was not visible in the Barca-valencia game. Barca is also missing THAT profile that can handle the left-foot dynamics from deep.
That hampered the penetration/progression from the left very predictable, as balde was given the complete responsibility of that.
A profile like Alaba not only Eases out the pressure on Balde, but also help in the team dynamics overall.
Faye or Inigo can take up that role under Flick
Please make Enzo maresca new Chelsea coach video
Physical intensity, man, Flick's Bayern was a monster..
The problem with this lineup is that Frenkie proved consistently that he lacks many concepts in defense. Very limited defensive awareness and very bad positioning. He gets distracted too often, lacks the mentality.
He fixes this sometimes by using his physicality and has nice highlights in defense - correcting his own positioning or poor decisions in possession. But he gets disconnected very often. This match was an anomaly because his through passes were great, but that does not happen very often though
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season?
_dest/xavi_ lewandowski yamal
raphinha roque.or.ferran nico
gavi/merino - pedri/fermin
ilkay/fdj/casado
-maybe kimmich .or. stiller maybe-
kounde cubi araujo fort?frimpong
balde christ valle _cancelo_
Wonder how Gavi fits into all this midfield talk.. position wise I really wonder
Disagree with Perdi playing as a deep lying playmaker. My reasons are unrelated to him during possession, I agree with all what you said there, I just think that a pivot of De Jong and Pedri is so weak in terms of ball winning especially Pedri. De Jong has a good engine on him but has concentration lapses and Pedri simply has a lot to learn. Thing is if I am against him being DLP, then that would I mean I think he is good as a high 8 or 10, I don't. I still think he also has a lot to improve in that regard, finishing to be precise. But for some reason I see him getting better at finishing more than I see him improving at reading the play and having a better body orientation while defending.
Edit: I think Gavi would be a much better DLP
One thing I'm very curious about is Raphinha's role. With Xavi he had his best performances on the left as an inside forward. But Flick likes his wide attackers and we know the right side is owned by Yamal. The club is looking to sign a more pure winger on the left so where does that leave Raph? I really hope Flick can find a way to fit him in, otherwise it's such a waste and we might as well sell him.
Flick Wingers tend to cut inside more than stay out wide and hug the touchline like Xavi wingers.
How can do this better than purist❤
Flick will reap the rewards of Xavi's efforts in youth development.
We even get homework now... this is the tipe of class I missed in school
Never misses!
The difference is width in Barca were given to wingers
The pressing is the difference
The difference between the two is inform Lewandowski and the goals.
I would prefer cubasi and de Jong as pivot and gavi and pedri as 8 and 6 players and play faye as Lb as faye cubasi ariugo and kounde as back 4 in papper it 4:3:3 but in positional play it’s 3:2:2:3 if we can sign nico this system is unstoppable
Faye ariugo and kounde is pace and straight which mean we can stop counter attack easily and cubasi as coming to midfield in positional play mean we can read the next counter attack from the opposition fast because he read the game exceptionally
I think the build up is way faster with Flick, and the maturity of the coach, Xavi in difficult situations loses his mind, Flick seems to be more experience and mature
I need to watch agin vs valencia game but i think balde going wide is difrence
I love your videos
Bro as a barca fan right now de Jong isn't replying for contract renewal. So i want de Jong to sell for 80 million and also if barca has chance to bring minimum 50 from Fermin lopez barca need to sell him also. After these 2 moves barca need to sign Youssef fofana, amaud onana,angelo stiller and mikel merino.
The pressing will be way better
It’s pau cubarsi
hannya ingin melihat de jong bermain di posisi box to box
Flick always had his center backs close together so when they lost the ball the would get it back instantly and xavi kept his players wide and spread
A de jong, pedri and gundoghan midfield would be good on the ball but off the ball it would be hell
I think that Xavi's Barca where wastful in front of goal while Hansi's Bayern where moe effective burying chances.
Great
Xavi had some horrible games last season. We barely do shooting practice and it's affecting us in games. Flick's Bayern was extraordinary in 2020 scoring from different kind of play; counter attack, direct and passing. If only Flick can transform Barca to play like his former Bayern side we would have a great season
Where does Gavi fit in all this?
And who defend with Pedri and FDJ as the double pivot?? Non defensive and non physical players
Funny how this video was released right after I watched lamine yamal and Williams made Italian defenders look like ballerinas.
I think that if Barca sign Nico Williams, Hansi will have an easier time getting these players to score. Something Xavi did not have
The difference was Lewandowski's clinicality infront of goal
That was.. Makesense
Frenkie out, pedri gundo advances, gavi deeper next to someone defensively secure that can eat up ground like merino/Onana
How has some Semi-Pro club not hired you as an analyst yet?
I am counting on Gavi and Pedri growing into the best double pivot of all time, better than gattuso and pirlo
I wish we sign Nico Williams
miss those days of barca's tiki taka