@@Hades035he's testing the effects of over soaking and the stones polishing ability. Metal doesn't have to be sharp to be polished. Yea he checked to see if there was a burr, which is why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch. He was prob seeing if the stone was doing anything, since it wasn't polishing, and maybe thought soaking made it coarser. Whatever. Either way, whether he was trying to sharpen or not, it doesn't change the fact that the stone wouldn't polish the knife how it does when not over soaked, which is what the whole video is about.
Old video, but I'll add this comment. I have permasoaked a King 6,000 stone for years. I keep it in a Rubbermaid leftover container in a kitchen drawer, and use it with a stropping (edge trailing) stroke as the final step in many sharpening sessions. Works great, no complaints, would have never known I was suffering. Just my experience, thanks for the hard work!
Why would you go from dull straight to 6000? Perasoak or not, I don’t know why you would do this. At least do a 1000 first to sharpen before you polish. I didn’t understand the purpose of this video.
Haha, my thoughts exactly. I was even thinking like a 500- stone if it's *that* dull, transfer to a 1000 grit after 2 passes each side at the least, and repeat then the 6000 or higher since 6000+ are for mainly polishing, right? And, from what I've heard, 6000+ are preferred by sushi chefs but, again, after using a lower grade stone. Thinking about it since it's been lock down to practice some cooking techniques.
Hes not trying to sharpen the knife. Metal doesn't have to be sharp to be polished. He's testing the effects of over soaking and the stones polishing ability. after spending a lot of time on the stone he was feeling for a burr to see if maybe the over soaking made it coarser or if it was removing metal or anything. Either way it doesn't change the fact this stone wouldn't polish a bevel that was already polished to begin with. The brick only damaged the very apex, not the previously polished bevel.
I have the same stone. I only soak the 1000 side. I just drizzle the 6000 side with water right before sharpening. The 6000 side is just too soft. I only soak the 1000 side for 15 minutes.. I get really good results.
Glad you made me aware that this can be an issue. I've only recently started using whetstones frequently, and didn't know you could oversoak them. I'm currently using a king 1000, its only been soaked 4-6 hours in one sitting, will that impact performance?
I only soak the King deluxe 1000 for about 5 to ten minutes. The S1 6000 King stone is almost like a splash and go in my opinion although it does need a little soak. I usually only soak the 6000 for only a couple minutes. and splash a little water here and there. Very good stones for the money
according to many knife sharpeners, you don't soak polishing stone(3000 grit and up). I have the Shun 1000/6000 and the Mizuyama wide 1000/6000, I only let the 1000 side soak(I fill water up to about half the 1000 side) and I can permasoak it like that with no problem.
I'm under the same impression...you don't soak stones above 2000 grit. You add water before finishing the edge but soaking has the potential of damaging the stone. I soak my stones below 2000 grit without a problem but only for about 5 to 15 minutes before using. Never for several hours.
@@Burrfection 5 year old video, 5 year old comment but hey, the KDS is like 37 bucks on Amazon rn. If I have to avoid soaking the fine side I'm, well FINE with it! Either way love the tutorials you've done on using whetstones. Between you and Bob Kramer I'm ready to learn how to sharpen some shit! 🔪🗡️
Hi! Thanks for the vid! Im a beginner and have been doing this wrong from start. Will the 6000 side be damaged if its been soaked 20-30 times? (20-40 minutes eac h time)
I soaked 6000 grit for too long cracked up. Quite a soft stone I just wet it mainly now. The king 4000 grit is a harder wearing stone but loads up. To be honest I think it is better than 6000grit. I have a 200 grit king and it is very hard and slow cutting. 1000grit cuts well but is a muddy stone.It is just annoying that within a line of stones some shine more than others and some like 200grit really disappoint.
That's why I prefer white corundum or alumina, more user-friendly. Japanese whetstones being prone to damage by oil is the reason why they're overrated and overpriced.
I just bought one of these after Ryky's recommendations. So I take it both sides are splash and go's? Do not permasoak them? Ah okay, after going back through Ryky's video, its a 15 minute soaking stone. In other words, don't leave it in water permanently. My next question is does it need flattening first before first use? And if so can anyone recommend a flattening stone? Bearing in mind I am in the UK and on a budget? 😁
i use atoma 140 for flattening all my stones, and for repairing chips on knives. a great investment for the long run bur.re/atoma just soak for 10-15 minutes before use on 1000 side, 6000 side, requires no soaking. have fun
Hi ! Just to let you know that my bank account actually hates you.. i have a little question, i just bought 3 naniwa chosera 400 1000 and 3000 grit. And i also bought this king to try it. Should i use my 3 chosera and the 6000 grit on the king for the finish, or will ut be useless ? Thank you for what you are doing !
I'm late for the party, I literally just ordered this stone. From what I gather the 6k side is still useful just dont soak it, all I need to do is give that side a bit of a water splash and go right?
Darn it, deleted this comment. I accidentally soaked my King 800/4000 for about 7 or 8 hours, totally ruined the stone. The 4k side is rubbery, and the 800 turns to mud. I dried the stone out, but when I resoak it, goes back to rubber/mud. Stone is ruined. I wish you'd done this video earlier! Ryky, can you recommend a splash and go combo stone around 1000/6000, or 800/4000?
I started trying out a suehiro 800 and im not sure what exactly went wrong but it feels exactly how you describe it. Muddy. it works but im not sure its working how its supposed to. Any advice? dry it out then take a layer off the top and start over?
One important detail. Just in case. Do not use only one naniwa nagura on 5+k stones. It not only cleans but also forms a surface, she is made rude, for stones up to 4-5к grit it does not affect the result. But from about 6+k smoothness of the surface (Not the flatness of the surface of the whole stone, namely its smoothness) it already affects and seriously. The problem can be solved by rubbing the stone with something fine-grained. Just try rubbing your finger on the surface 8к stone after naniwa nagura and after glass or something smooth or fine-grained. Suehiro recommends his nagura with 3к or 5k grit for 6+k stones. It's not accidental, it's important. In this video, I think, after naniwa nagura a rough surface was formed, at sharpening the knife was dull about these roughnesses, this may well be. You said that the knife is grip to a stone. It may well be the wrong surface of the stone. Either something is wrong with the angle of sharpening. Make a micro-bevel.
@@DeadwoodFrank I don't remember, I had a soaker that become smelly ( like a pond ) but then after leaving it without water it came back normal. Another one ( non soaker ) cracked.
I'm not sure why you're using a 6000 grit stone to try and sharpen your knife though? Maybe an 800 or 1000 grit definitely, but 6000...? It's strictly for polishing the blade not sharpening it... flip that stone over and do the same thing and see the difference
@@oquenteembalagens6735 No, at 4:38 & others he is checking for and not finding a burr on the cutting edge, which of course he won't since he started out by completely blunting the edge. Mystifying.
I have been watching your videos for some time now...and enjoying them... I have a request for you... As I am left handed...how about converting a right handed 70:30 gyutou to left handed... I've had it done professionally...and though it seems rather straight forward it's still daunting... I and other left handers would appreciate it... PS... after watching your videos and putting your advice and techniques to work... I've managed to step up my sharpening quite a bit... Thanks Jeff
I just got a King KDS stone, haven't used it yet, I heard from some people that you soak it for 15-30 minutes tops, King Instructions say give it a soak for a few minutes. Not sure how to dry it. I have no idea what to do. Lol
I don't understand anyone would put a dull knife on a 6000 grit stone how ever long it has soaked. That stone is a polishing stone and never meant to sharpen ever. I would take this video down. It's embarrassing. Ryky is very very good at sharpening but the 6000 at this stage was a disaster.
Metal doesn't have to be sharp to be polished. And by starting with the 6k right off the bat he could see what the stone is actually capable of, if it's removing material or polishing, feedback, etc. He's testing the effects of over soaking and how it changes the stone. Before you bring up him checking for a burr, that's bc when it wasn't polishing he kept going and then probably was feeling for a burr to see if it was cutting metal. He's simply testing the the stone, it's ability and effects of over soaking. I don't understand why everyone is getting all crazy about sharpening. It doenst change the fact it didn't polish the knife, which was probably already polished before the brick. And the brick only alters the very apex not the previously polished bevel, that this stone wouldn't polish.
Do you want to get burr on 6000 grit stone, it does not make sense, you should to use 400-1200 instead, also as far as I know recommended soaking time for King stones is 15 minutes, it works also good for me as splash and go.
Radoslaw Jocz you don’t understand the video. He purposely over soak to show you why it is an issue. He was trying to polish the knife not sharpen it. But because he soaked it and ruined the stone (he states he ruined it in the video), the stone didn’t polish like it should and was worse then a 5k grit.
@@anthonydo2011 Really? and you understood the video? and why was he looking for a burr watch again 3:47 , and if it wasn't polishing where all the black steel cuts came from you guys are such fanboys, start thinking for yourself for a change
I bought the smaller 1000/6000 KDS waterstone and on the box it said fill the stone with water by submerging it before use so I completely covered the stone in water for 2 days and I think I've ruined the stone. I used the 1000 grit to flatten the back of a plane blade but when I used the 6000 side the plane blade kept sticking to the stone and I could only get a dull/hazy polish. I'm now thinking of buying another 6000 stone but should I stick with the king kds.
I don’t understand the purpose of this experiment. Amazon supplier of this KDS stone says not to soak the 6000 side and I can pick up this stone for around 35 dollars on Amazon which is lot cheaper than many other stone especially for who is learning. I don’t think you should be doing such stupid experiments just because some stupid people permasoak this stone and make request for it.
I know it's an old post, and I hope you're not still waiting... BUT... I do have some experience with this sort of thing... You CAN heat stones to get rid of unwanted moisture... BUT you absolutely MUST be careful with "synthetic stones"... Natural stones are usually a little more durable, but synthetic stones have adhesive "filler" mixed with an "aggregate" (cutting) material... not so different from a "bondo kit"... ONLY the sharpening stone would use something like diamond dust, a ceramic "chip" material, or very fine debris from crushed gravel instead of the fiber-glass strands... AND there's a "proprietary" recipe for the specific epoxy "filler" and the ratio of goop to gravel (essentially) for each stone and company... Keeping the heat around 100F (30-ish C, I think) is reasonably safe for most of them, but you surely don't want to stray "too hot" because it will invariably weaken the glue/filler that holds the thing together... and you can break up your stone back into the grit... Just sitting it out in really LOW humidity will also accomplish de-moisturizing, BUT that can take days... as in DAYS. My personal favorite method for de-moisturizing most "delicate" things involves a large-ish cardboard box, a light wood frame with window-screen, and about a 100W lamp-bulb... The box (for intent here) only really needs to be "reasonably enclosed" so it slows air passage, but more directs it upward from the lamp... The lamp (obviously) sits at the bottom of this "ventilation riser" with whatever you're "drying" on the lightweight frame and window-screen. The frame and window screen is just what it sounds like, and you don't have to waste a lot of time or effort... Neatness does NOT account for efficacy, only how much you risk "dinging your fingers up" with the screen... I usually just fit four pieces of light wood (1x1) together so I can span the box... AND staple the window screen to the wood to support the weight of what I'm drying... If you're dutifully careful not to hopelessly mutilate the box, you can slow air passage enough to heat and dry the air before it washes over (or upward) the object for a more effective drying out process... This method is also reasonably effective as a dehydrator for things like spices and herbs or tea... I've even done jerky in it, but that also required a "pre-soak in marinade. (lolz) Here's where I tell you that this cardboard contraption isn't (by design or merits) my sole engineering marvel. It will work as effective and fast as YOU care to make it, so with the knowledge that "Hot air rises by induction" you can take it as far as you want... I might advise you keep around a thermometer that you're confident with, so you can keep a reasonable eye on the "operating temperature" as you experiment... AND of course, have fun. ;o)
I have the 800/4000 grit version of the King KDS and I never could like it. Even without over-soaking it the 800 side doesn't cut well. The 4000 side cuts pretty well but for some reason it doesn't give me a sharp edge. Maybe it's just me but i do better with Arkansas stones.
Wait, wait...I'm female and we read directions. Guessing this is just an experiment, but on a 6K, not sure what the experiment is. Overnight soak, yikes!
did i say something sexist against women in this video? yes, it was an experiment based on requests. lots of people were claiming all King stones could be permasoaked.
@@Burrfection No, you did not say anything sexist. I'm constantly teased by my brothers because I read directions. Keep in mind that I had no idea what pre-conditions were (requests), and am just learning about stones and sharpening. If I insulted you, I did not mean it as such, and sincerely apologize.
haha... nono... not offended at all. this video was one of my very early videos made, and i was permasoaking a whole series of stones and then trying to sharpen or polish on them. i've learned a lot and now try to announce what i am doing (and why) at the beginning on the videos, but that doesn't always happen. either way, welcome!
@@Burrfection Thank you for the welcome! How long do you usually like to soak that King KDS? About 30 mins, maybe less? I have to get an affordable set up and thought I'd start with King. Thanks for your great videos!
Man first of all: you dont have any clue. 1. you do not soak fine grid stones ;) you just wet them. Thats why you dont buy combined stones with more than 3000 grid. 2. In this video youve said you dont feel burr. You dont even know that 6000 grid stone produces microscopic burr and you dont feel it unless you try with your finger nail. :) 3. You should be much more gentle with pressure at 6000 wet stone. Its just for polishing. Not sharpening. And for the last and forth thing: you just dont rub your knife back and forth!!! I would be pleased if you would give an opinion on my comment :) I just need to know whats in your head :D
Dude get a clue. This is showing what happens IF you permasoak your King stones, a discussion reaching far into the sharpening community. And yes, the push pull method works beautifully and saves time, I have fixed over 40 knives with excellent results, using the push pull method. And Dave from Knifemerchant vouches for the push and pull, and they sharpen proffesionally.
With all due respect and I do mean all due respect you soaked it too long. Secondly you started on with a 6k stone on a damaged edge....umm, why? Lastly it is a cheap stone and it does an ok job for what you paid for it. 103k subs...wow.
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So he blunts the knife on a brick, goes straight to the 6000 polishing stone,and wonders why he's not getting a good cutting edge?
this confused me too, I thought after doing something like that you would start with 800-1000?
@@UncommonS3nsenot even that. You would probably start with a 400 coarse stone
thought the same :) i was first waiting for cracking the stone or so but then i complaint it isnt cutting... yeah no wonder, you are using 6000
@@Hades035he's testing the effects of over soaking and the stones polishing ability. Metal doesn't have to be sharp to be polished. Yea he checked to see if there was a burr, which is why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch. He was prob seeing if the stone was doing anything, since it wasn't polishing, and maybe thought soaking made it coarser. Whatever. Either way, whether he was trying to sharpen or not, it doesn't change the fact that the stone wouldn't polish the knife how it does when not over soaked, which is what the whole video is about.
He should have started at 1000 grit and move to a 3000 to 4000 grit.
Old video, but I'll add this comment. I have permasoaked a King 6,000 stone for years. I keep it in a Rubbermaid leftover container in a kitchen drawer, and use it with a stropping (edge trailing) stroke as the final step in many sharpening sessions. Works great, no complaints, would have never known I was suffering. Just my experience, thanks for the hard work!
I don't understand why you are sharpening a dull knife on a 6000?
Did you watch the video till the end? His purpose is not to sharpen but to polish.
Why are you trying to create a burr with the polishing side
Why would you go from dull straight to 6000? Perasoak or not, I don’t know why you would do this. At least do a 1000 first to sharpen before you polish. I didn’t understand the purpose of this video.
Haha, my thoughts exactly.
I was even thinking like a 500- stone if it's *that* dull, transfer to a 1000 grit after 2 passes each side at the least, and repeat then the 6000 or higher since 6000+ are for mainly polishing, right? And, from what I've heard, 6000+ are preferred by sushi chefs but, again, after using a lower grade stone. Thinking about it since it's been lock down to practice some cooking techniques.
Hes not trying to sharpen the knife. Metal doesn't have to be sharp to be polished. He's testing the effects of over soaking and the stones polishing ability. after spending a lot of time on the stone he was feeling for a burr to see if maybe the over soaking made it coarser or if it was removing metal or anything. Either way it doesn't change the fact this stone wouldn't polish a bevel that was already polished to begin with. The brick only damaged the very apex, not the previously polished bevel.
The purpose was to polish, not to sharpen.
Why did you soak it overnight? According to the instructions on the King 6000 package, you should only soak it for 15 minutes.
I have the same stone. I only soak the 1000 side. I just drizzle the 6000 side with water right before sharpening. The 6000 side is just too soft. I only soak the 1000 side for 15 minutes.. I get really good results.
Who told you to use the polishing side (6000) for sharping the blade. it will tank you forever. not a good video for anyone to watch🤦♂️
Glad you made me aware that this can be an issue. I've only recently started using whetstones frequently, and didn't know you could oversoak them. I'm currently using a king 1000, its only been soaked 4-6 hours in one sitting, will that impact performance?
well, it'll slow down the cutting speed
I only soak the King deluxe 1000 for about 5 to ten minutes. The S1 6000 King stone is almost like a splash and go in my opinion although it does need a little soak. I usually only soak the 6000 for only a couple minutes. and splash a little water here and there. Very good stones for the money
2-3 minutes all they need
@@TimKollat King 1000 for 5 minutes ? mine need 1 hour
I know im late to this one. But i soak my King KDS for about 10mins max.
When the bubbles stop i get to sharpening
How should I soak this exact stone. New to knife sharpening and don’t really know the terms like permasoaking.
?? em are you polishing the side of the knife or?? cause that looks like 3-5° only
Yes, he was only testing the polishing properties of the stone when it is oversoaked.
according to many knife sharpeners, you don't soak polishing stone(3000 grit and up). I have the Shun 1000/6000 and the Mizuyama wide 1000/6000, I only let the 1000 side soak(I fill water up to about half the 1000 side) and I can permasoak it like that with no problem.
I'm under the same impression...you don't soak stones above 2000 grit. You add water before finishing the edge but soaking has the potential of damaging the stone. I soak my stones below 2000 grit without a problem but only for about 5 to 15 minutes before using. Never for several hours.
well. Suehiro makes an entire line of stones (Cerax) that are soaking, all the way to 8K grit.
@@Burrfection 5 year old video, 5 year old comment but hey, the KDS is like 37 bucks on Amazon rn. If I have to avoid soaking the fine side I'm, well FINE with it! Either way love the tutorials you've done on using whetstones. Between you and Bob Kramer I'm ready to learn how to sharpen some shit! 🔪🗡️
I accidentally did this to a king k-80 before I knew about treating my stones nicely. I did it in hot water at that.
Hi! Thanks for the vid! Im a beginner and have been doing this wrong from start. Will the 6000 side be damaged if its been soaked 20-30 times? (20-40 minutes eac
h time)
Yes. KDS 6000 side is splash and go and should not be soaked. Do it once and nothing happens. After a year doing this mine developed cracks.
Mine was damaged even with short 5 min baths.
I soaked 6000 grit for too long cracked up. Quite a soft stone I just wet it mainly now. The king 4000 grit is a harder wearing stone but loads up. To be honest I think it is better than 6000grit. I have a 200 grit king and it is very hard and slow cutting. 1000grit cuts well but is a muddy stone.It is just annoying that within a line of stones some shine more than others and some like 200grit really disappoint.
That's why I prefer white corundum or alumina, more user-friendly. Japanese whetstones being prone to damage by oil is the reason why they're overrated and overpriced.
I just bought one of these after Ryky's recommendations. So I take it both sides are splash and go's? Do not permasoak them? Ah okay, after going back through Ryky's video, its a 15 minute soaking stone. In other words, don't leave it in water permanently. My next question is does it need flattening first before first use? And if so can anyone recommend a flattening stone? Bearing in mind I am in the UK and on a budget? 😁
i use atoma 140 for flattening all my stones, and for repairing chips on knives. a great investment for the long run bur.re/atoma
just soak for 10-15 minutes before use on 1000 side, 6000 side, requires no soaking. have fun
@@Burrfection A reply from the man himself. Cheers Ryky 😁 Thanks for the advice and reply.
Hi !
Just to let you know that my bank account actually hates you..
i have a little question, i just bought 3 naniwa chosera 400 1000 and 3000 grit.
And i also bought this king to try it. Should i use my 3 chosera and the 6000 grit on the king for the finish, or will ut be useless ? Thank you for what you are doing !
What kind of steel. The King 6000 works for most steels.
@@MrRourk Thank’s for the answer ! Cru wear steel ! :)
I'm late for the party, I literally just ordered this stone. From what I gather the 6k side is still useful just dont soak it, all I need to do is give that side a bit of a water splash and go right?
Yes, only soak the 1k side maybe 5-20 min and the 6k is a splash and go.
@@Kumofan awesome thanks
Darn it, deleted this comment.
I accidentally soaked my King 800/4000 for about 7 or 8 hours, totally ruined the stone. The 4k side is rubbery, and the 800 turns to mud. I dried the stone out, but when I resoak it, goes back to rubber/mud. Stone is ruined. I wish you'd done this video earlier!
Ryky, can you recommend a splash and go combo stone around 1000/6000, or 800/4000?
ouch....
here is my list
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Bushcraft Beats woodstock 1000 6000 soaking stone its different
I started trying out a suehiro 800 and im not sure what exactly went wrong but it feels exactly how you describe it. Muddy. it works but im not sure its working how its supposed to. Any advice? dry it out then take a layer off the top and start over?
Umm will the stone heal after I soak it for 24 hour :( or it's permanently damaged
It will work after it dries.... but if i am honest, it never felt the same
If I put too much pressure on the forward AND reverse (push & pull) would that be a reason for 2 knife blades getting chipped?
One important detail. Just in case.
Do not use only one naniwa nagura on 5+k stones.
It not only cleans but also forms a surface, she is made rude, for stones up to 4-5к grit it does not affect the result. But from about 6+k smoothness of the surface (Not the flatness of the surface of the whole stone, namely its smoothness) it already affects and seriously. The problem can be solved by rubbing the stone with something fine-grained. Just try rubbing your finger on the surface 8к stone after naniwa nagura and after glass or something smooth or fine-grained. Suehiro recommends his nagura with 3к or 5k grit for 6+k stones. It's not accidental, it's important.
In this video, I think, after naniwa nagura a rough surface was formed, at sharpening the knife was dull about these roughnesses, this may well be.
You said that the knife is grip to a stone. It may well be the wrong surface of the stone.
Either something is wrong with the angle of sharpening. Make a micro-bevel.
That long in water might break down the bonding agent(s). Best to ask one of the mfr's if you really must know.
I ruined my King stone by letting it too much in water by accident, don't do that.
@@dimmacommunication can you explain?does the 'ruined' means it cracked or the two stone separate?
@@DeadwoodFrank I don't remember, I had a soaker that become smelly ( like a pond ) but then after leaving it without water it came back normal.
Another one ( non soaker ) cracked.
I'm not sure why you're using a 6000 grit stone to try and sharpen your knife though? Maybe an 800 or 1000 grit definitely, but 6000...? It's strictly for polishing the blade not sharpening it... flip that stone over and do the same thing and see the difference
he is not trying to sharpen, but as you said, polish the knife, but as he explains, under these conditions the stone polishes less than a 5k grit
@@oquenteembalagens6735 No, at 4:38 & others he is checking for and not finding a burr on the cutting edge, which of course he won't since he started out by completely blunting the edge. Mystifying.
what up ryky! im sure youve mentioned this in other videos featuring the king kds, but how long do you recommend soaking? 15-20 minutes?
15 mins, as least based on the sample i have.
I have been watching your videos for some time now...and enjoying them...
I have a request for you... As I am left handed...how about converting a right handed 70:30 gyutou to left handed...
I've had it done professionally...and though it seems rather straight forward it's still daunting... I and other left handers would appreciate it...
PS... after watching your videos and putting your advice and techniques to work... I've managed to step up my sharpening quite a bit...
Thanks
Jeff
haha. will see which knife i can sacrifice.
I started collecting sacrificial knives to explore this as i have a bunch of right handed knives i want to use as a left hander.
I wanna see a total rework on an antique knife maybe something out of the ordinary like an old American knife
Is this because it was soaked too long? Or is the 6000 side just junk?
I just got a King KDS stone, haven't used it yet, I heard from some people that you soak it for 15-30 minutes tops, King Instructions say give it a soak for a few minutes. Not sure how to dry it. I have no idea what to do. Lol
soak the 1000 side for 10-15 minutes. 30 minutes max. the 6000 side, DON"T soak. just throw some water on it when you are ready to use it.
So the 6000 side is a splash and go? Cool!
you CAN soak it for about 1 minute. but i tell people to avoid soaking, since it's really easy to forget and soak it together with the 1000
Thanks for the useful info!
Soak ya 1000 side 2-3 minutes plenty
I just bought this stone, it’s funny that the instructions suggest storing the stone in a bucket of water or plastic bin of water
I don't understand anyone would put a dull knife on a 6000 grit stone how ever long it has soaked. That stone is a polishing stone and never meant to sharpen ever. I would take this video down. It's embarrassing. Ryky is very very good at sharpening but the 6000 at this stage was a disaster.
he was polishing the knife. he even stated that there was no mirror like finish whatsoever.
Metal doesn't have to be sharp to be polished. And by starting with the 6k right off the bat he could see what the stone is actually capable of, if it's removing material or polishing, feedback, etc. He's testing the effects of over soaking and how it changes the stone. Before you bring up him checking for a burr, that's bc when it wasn't polishing he kept going and then probably was feeling for a burr to see if it was cutting metal. He's simply testing the the stone, it's ability and effects of over soaking. I don't understand why everyone is getting all crazy about sharpening. It doenst change the fact it didn't polish the knife, which was probably already polished before the brick. And the brick only alters the very apex not the previously polished bevel, that this stone wouldn't polish.
Do you want to get burr on 6000 grit stone, it does not make sense, you should to use 400-1200 instead, also as far as I know recommended soaking time for King stones is 15 minutes, it works also good for me as splash and go.
Radoslaw Jocz you don’t understand the video. He purposely over soak to show you why it is an issue. He was trying to polish the knife not sharpen it. But because he soaked it and ruined the stone (he states he ruined it in the video), the stone didn’t polish like it should and was worse then a 5k grit.
@@anthonydo2011 Really? and you understood the video? and why was he looking for a burr watch again 3:47 , and if it wasn't polishing where all the black steel cuts came from you guys are such fanboys, start thinking for yourself for a change
Old video but he said he soaked the stone overnight. Why? Even the company that makes them says soak it for 10 to 15 minutes.
I bought the smaller 1000/6000 KDS waterstone and on the box it said fill the stone with water by submerging it before use so I completely covered the stone in water for 2 days and I think I've ruined the stone. I used the 1000 grit to flatten the back of a plane blade but when I used the 6000 side the plane blade kept sticking to the stone and I could only get a dull/hazy polish. I'm now thinking of buying another 6000 stone but should I stick with the king kds.
You ruined the stone. It should be soaking no more than 15-20 mins.
How long would you soak it then?
YEAH
Difference between knifes vs different stones... yeah...could it be more easy to understand if to compare VG10 on different stones?
You're not suppose to scrub on Arkansas stones. Why is it ok to do it on Japanese stones?
where can i buy that stone what you use to clean the sharpening stone?
everything i use is in this list kit.com/Burrfection/knife-kit
@@Burrfection link died, refresh possible?
I don’t understand the purpose of this experiment. Amazon supplier of this KDS stone says not to soak the 6000 side and I can pick up this stone for around 35 dollars on Amazon which is lot cheaper than many other stone especially for who is learning. I don’t think you should be doing such stupid experiments just because some stupid people permasoak this stone and make request for it.
Bought this same stone how long should i soak it or should i even soak it at all maybe just wet it as i use it?
MURDV MXNEY From what Ive heard, you should soak the 1000 grit side for around 5 minutes and soak the 6000 grit side for 10-15 minutes.
I used a diamond stone on it and it started to cut better
I wonder how long these stones will last?
This video must ve when he was a noob. Hes a professional now
Why in the world wold you ever soak the stone for 24 hours.. who told you to do that ? I guess for some reason you feel that proper.
Can you bake an over-soaked stone in an oven to dry it out?
I know it's an old post, and I hope you're not still waiting...
BUT... I do have some experience with this sort of thing...
You CAN heat stones to get rid of unwanted moisture... BUT you absolutely MUST be careful with "synthetic stones"... Natural stones are usually a little more durable, but synthetic stones have adhesive "filler" mixed with an "aggregate" (cutting) material... not so different from a "bondo kit"... ONLY the sharpening stone would use something like diamond dust, a ceramic "chip" material, or very fine debris from crushed gravel instead of the fiber-glass strands... AND there's a "proprietary" recipe for the specific epoxy "filler" and the ratio of goop to gravel (essentially) for each stone and company...
Keeping the heat around 100F (30-ish C, I think) is reasonably safe for most of them, but you surely don't want to stray "too hot" because it will invariably weaken the glue/filler that holds the thing together... and you can break up your stone back into the grit...
Just sitting it out in really LOW humidity will also accomplish de-moisturizing, BUT that can take days... as in DAYS.
My personal favorite method for de-moisturizing most "delicate" things involves a large-ish cardboard box, a light wood frame with window-screen, and about a 100W lamp-bulb...
The box (for intent here) only really needs to be "reasonably enclosed" so it slows air passage, but more directs it upward from the lamp... The lamp (obviously) sits at the bottom of this "ventilation riser" with whatever you're "drying" on the lightweight frame and window-screen.
The frame and window screen is just what it sounds like, and you don't have to waste a lot of time or effort... Neatness does NOT account for efficacy, only how much you risk "dinging your fingers up" with the screen... I usually just fit four pieces of light wood (1x1) together so I can span the box... AND staple the window screen to the wood to support the weight of what I'm drying... If you're dutifully careful not to hopelessly mutilate the box, you can slow air passage enough to heat and dry the air before it washes over (or upward) the object for a more effective drying out process... This method is also reasonably effective as a dehydrator for things like spices and herbs or tea... I've even done jerky in it, but that also required a "pre-soak in marinade. (lolz)
Here's where I tell you that this cardboard contraption isn't (by design or merits) my sole engineering marvel. It will work as effective and fast as YOU care to make it, so with the knowledge that "Hot air rises by induction" you can take it as far as you want... I might advise you keep around a thermometer that you're confident with, so you can keep a reasonable eye on the "operating temperature" as you experiment... AND of course, have fun. ;o)
It’s a polishing stone.. I only use my king stone 6000 for stropping... gets my carbon and non carbon blades hair popping sharp...
Nice video and smart advices. Thanks!
The instructions that came with mine said to soak it for 20 mins
No wonder my KDS was worse than a cheap no brand whetstone... does anybody know how to de-moisturize them?
Oven?
I have the 800/4000 grit version of the King KDS and I never could like it. Even without over-soaking it the 800 side doesn't cut well. The 4000 side cuts pretty well but for some reason it doesn't give me a sharp edge. Maybe it's just me but i do better with Arkansas stones.
Any opinion on the Zhenzhen sharpening stones?
whats the difference between the budget KING 1k/6k on amazon and the KDS? softer?
and size?
KDS is an overall better stone. will do a video discussing this.
Burrfection did you ever do a comparison video? I’m contemplating the kw65 vs kds
Wow! Very good..i want to have.
oops. I have this stone soaking right now..
Me..too..
me too aghhhhhhh
Yeah! Just a splash and go stone. Too bad no one can use WD-40 on it and I prefer oilstones.
White corundum is splash and go as long as you use WD-40.
this will solve all of your knife problems burrfectionstore.com/
Bruh you dull the edge and put it straight on a 6000 stone, go figure 💀
yes i did
I hope your stone recovers :(
hahah. 4 days outside of water and it was back to normal.
@@Burrfection I'll take note of that. guess imma let is sit out now.
Wait, wait...I'm female and we read directions. Guessing this is just an experiment, but on a 6K, not sure what the experiment is. Overnight soak, yikes!
did i say something sexist against women in this video? yes, it was an experiment based on requests. lots of people were claiming all King stones could be permasoaked.
@@Burrfection No, you did not say anything sexist. I'm constantly teased by my brothers because I read directions. Keep in mind that I had no idea what pre-conditions were (requests), and am just learning about stones and sharpening. If I insulted you, I did not mean it as such, and sincerely apologize.
haha... nono... not offended at all. this video was one of my very early videos made, and i was permasoaking a whole series of stones and then trying to sharpen or polish on them. i've learned a lot and now try to announce what i am doing (and why) at the beginning on the videos, but that doesn't always happen. either way, welcome!
@@Burrfection Thank you for the welcome! How long do you usually like to soak that King KDS? About 30 mins, maybe less? I have to get an affordable set up and thought I'd start with King. Thanks for your great videos!
15-30 is fine. anything longer, and it's really too soft and slow
Thee instructions says soak for 3 minutes
that is minimum but do what feels best
you dont need to soak the stone more then 15 -20 min , its rote on the box aswell
Eitan Peled he oversoaked the stone on purpose to make this video. He wanted to show what happens when you over soak a king 6k
My box is all in Japanese, not a word of English on it.
You have to use 1000 grit first...
the 6000 is only for fine tune...:)
Good thing you commented to inform him, he probably didn't know this since he's only made about 300 videos about knife sharpening...:)
@@Revelatus hahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhah he was kidding.... right?
no where in the video did he mention he wanted to sharpen. he even said there was no mirror like finish on the edge which means he was just polishing.
@@AccordGG1 Really? and why was he looking for a burr watch again 3:47 , you guys are such fanboys
Lol you are only supposed to soak the course side
This is not a production nor the quality of what we have been accostumerò to from you my friend, and what is with your voice ?!?!
these are old videos. migrating videos from other channel, into one.
Man first of all: you dont have any clue.
1. you do not soak fine grid stones ;) you just wet them. Thats why you dont buy combined stones with more than 3000 grid.
2. In this video youve said you dont feel burr. You dont even know that 6000 grid stone produces microscopic burr and you dont feel it unless you try with your finger nail. :)
3. You should be much more gentle with pressure at 6000 wet stone. Its just for polishing. Not sharpening.
And for the last and forth thing: you just dont rub your knife back and forth!!!
I would be pleased if you would give an opinion on my comment :)
I just need to know whats in your head :D
Dude get a clue. This is showing what happens IF you permasoak your King stones, a discussion reaching far into the sharpening community. And yes, the push pull method works beautifully and saves time, I have fixed over 40 knives with excellent results, using the push pull method. And Dave from Knifemerchant vouches for the push and pull, and they sharpen proffesionally.
this guys a complete bafoon. first stone fron dull 6k grit /LOL
wtf is that angle ?
U just dont soak over 1000 grit.
I got better results with soaking the stone for a very long time.
With all due respect and I do mean all due respect you soaked it too long. Secondly you started on with a 6k stone on a damaged edge....umm, why? Lastly it is a cheap stone and it does an ok job for what you paid for it. 103k subs...wow.