Well said! Truth is before the 1940s arrival of the Euro-Jewish racists, they all lived together in peace for generations. Wonderful film of elders who remember: "The Land Speaks Arabic" here on YT.
This attack was instigated by the people whom suffer from imperial grandeur delusions (the British) and their politics of divide and rule which was enforced by the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Ever since the more or less peaceful coexistence of the Sephardi Jews and the Palestinians is replaced by never ending friction and violence. At that time there was also a minority of Ashkenazi Jews, but they were not integrated with the locals (not with the Palestinians and also not with the Sephardi Jews). @@urthogie
sadness and despair strike when one realizes that a 1999 lecture about the origins of the Palestinian tragedy was relevant at the time and is still very much relevant to the events taking place in 2023!
Being an intellectual is not about how educated one is , it's about thinking about the problems of society and say all wrongdoings loudly no matter what the consequences would be. Noam Chomsky never kept quiet but said it all out loud in the name of the impoverished nations and people.
Edward Said passed away in 2003, I believe. His death was lamentable as I consider him a key academic supporting the fate of Palestine and the Palestinians.
You should read "Palestine is My Country" written by Geoffrey Furlonge about Musa Alami - a Palestinian who had to leave his family home in Jerusalem and become a refugee. He was a prominent politician fighting for the Palestinians.
@@stloupenbrayYes, Chomsky is hard to listen to these days but Ilan Pappe, Finklestein & The General’s Son book author (forgot name) + many others strive for a peaceful one state solution. Even Alastair Crooke who was instrumental in negotiating Oslo 2-state is saying that solution was always doomed to failure because the playing field was hopelessly skewed. Unfortunately the West has no one capable of diplomacy for the last two decades, the likes of Chas Freeman (Nixon China) & his generation of actual empathic diplomats are now just relegated to old antiwar guys, spurned by the current escalatory hothead rhetoric mouthpieces that have zero diplomatic skills. Nima of Dialogue Works has a collection of all those “old people”, it is like a historical collection of what diplomacy meant in the past. Cherish & learn from these experienced & thoughtful voices before they are gone. Human culture used to venerate the elderly because of their decades of experience. That learning from the past is now denigrated as Luddite mentality & our elderly are shunted into “care” facilities where they were inundated with Covid patients in early 2020 & deprived of contact with family. Unimaginable callousness. NATO, EU & UK leadership compared to USA, unfortunately are equally belligerent despite the fact that they’re economically ruining Europe & UK is equally suicidal if not worse. Those “leaders” are huffing their own propaganda & remind me of the aggressive stance of Betta male fish who puff up their fins when separated by a barrier to assert dominance. Smoke & Mirrors, bully pulpit. EU is teetering on catastrophic economic collapse while pretending to build EU military & throw more funds @ Ukraine because they don’t understand sunk cost fallacies. Digging themselves into deeper economic collapse & possible military troop deployments. Apparently it’s all about rhetoric because if they consulted with engineering, military & economic real “experts” (I can’t use the term expert without recalling their history of lies & failures) they would no doubt have been briefed on the plainly evident failures of every measure they’ve adopted & that escalation is doomed to failure. I used to think more women in government/ politics would lead to a more peaceful world. BTW I’m a feminist from the 60’s, I now totally reject that notion. I’ve been through Cuban missile crisis, original preppers who built bomb shelters & stockpiled frozen foods (before freeze dried was invented). I’m one of those old farts that is always anti war but I’m tech savvy unlike the geezers in US House & Senate & our marionette president.
Can you imagine how hard that would be that Edward Said fought for Palestinian cause single handily in 70th, 80 & 90th when the world United against the state of Palestinian. Edward used receive a death threat just because he was speaking the truth which is the moral and legal obligation must be adhered to as academic. He was a great person.
This isn’t a debate, it’s two intellectuals arguing for basically the same point. It’s great to hear a younger vibrant Chomsky & Said is always intellectually stimulating. It’s incredibly pathetic how little has changed in 20+ years, if anything the obstacles to peace have exponentially increased. How long does it take for the tide to shift from increasing violence towards peace negotiations?
Two state solution isn’t viable. Ilan Pappe discusses historical formation of Israel nation at length in his books & interviews & concurs that one state w equality for all is the only rational solution but it’s not going to be easy. Alastair Crooke, British diplomat who was instrumental to negotiations for Oslo Accords also concurs, 2 state solution as it was structured was doomed to failure & the road to equality for all is ultimately the only path forward to peace. Alastair also says current political realities in ME (West Asia) & globally haven’t been able to shift towards that because of an Arab Consensus agreed upon in 2003(I think). Saudi king is near death, hospitalized. MBS in case of King death is not an automatic transfer into power, the whole family/ tribe must agree to go becomes the next monarch. The West has been primed that MBS will be next but that is not guaranteed.
I was wrong, he wasn't tortured using a treatment that caused "great chills," but he does say that others have been giving this treatment as a form of torture.
i hesitate to comment because my own intellectual grasp is less than that of these two men by far, but i write this: the occupation is itself a brutality (59.20) and - under the fact of it - all actions on the part of the occupier upon the occupied are brutal - that's to say, deny the man occupied the use of his mind (jibcorrect). with deep respect, irene p.s. ...to keep them there? read The Moon Is Down by John Steinbeck and you will learn how and why all occupations of soneone else's house will founder ... messily (1.09.15)
Bi national state with self determination for both people is still the only hope. Looking critically and constantly and courageously at the past, the core issue in the Middle East is straight forward, namely oil. “The greatest material prize in world history.” Arab hegemony; “The Arab facade” ensures the first beneficiaries of a ME country’s resources was the Western investment community, the non Arab states keeping the intervention forces in power. The greatest threat to Western interests was civilian unrest and disobedience. The Palestinians rights are negative as they are disruptive to the devoted guardian, Israel, the only reliable US ally in the region. Peace agreements offered a negative outcome for Palestinians with only partial withdrawal of occupied territory for peace. Pure rejectionist of UN 242 by US is what is called the “peace process”. The first beneficiaries are not ever the people of the region because of US sponsored mass murder and rejectionist program. “There can never be an official 2nd state “. Permanent settlement . Alone plan plus goal is expansion of settlement and development. Palestinian isolation and repression brutality managed by PLO, in standard colonial pattern, the reality of Israel reflects forms of South African apartheid at the depths of its history of racism. Refugees treated discriminatorily in host countries rather being welcomed and sustained.
Said is completely misrepresenting the situation. His claims about the unequal rights of Arab Israelis are incorrect. He talks endlessly about fences and checkpoints but never questions why they exist, just assuming that the “filthy Jews” don’t want to interact with Palestinians. Could it possibly be more about the constant threat of terrorist attacks?
let me guess checkpoints in occupied lands are justified to keep the people occupying more lands safer, and i guess the segregation in the US and south Africa were justified too. Zionist on the internet have no shame.
Learned Jews like Chomsky and Sanders will start from 1948 and never mention their scripture that declares a homeland in Egypt. They take it granted that American crime of occupying Palestine isn't a Jewish problem. so talking about a homeland in Egypt doesn't arise (even though the Israelis want Hamas to be transferred to Sinai, but never talk about transferring Israelis to Egypt because that solves the problem. I have no respect for Chomsky or Sanders.
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A Christian man and a Jewish man fighting for the rights of a predominately Muslim group. This is humanity ! Love live Noam and Edward.
Well said! Truth is before the 1940s arrival of the Euro-Jewish racists, they all lived together in peace for generations. Wonderful film of elders who remember: "The Land Speaks Arabic" here on YT.
@@37Dionysos There were terrorist attacks in 1929 (Hebron massacre)
@@urthogiewhat about the everyday terrorism the Israeli government does??
@@37Dionysos Tell that to the victims of the Hebron massacre
This attack was instigated by the people whom suffer from imperial grandeur delusions (the British) and their politics of divide and rule which was enforced by the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Ever since the more or less peaceful coexistence of the Sephardi Jews and the Palestinians is replaced by never ending friction and violence. At that time there was also a minority of Ashkenazi Jews, but they were not integrated with the locals (not with the Palestinians and also not with the Sephardi Jews). @@urthogie
sadness and despair strike when one realizes that a 1999 lecture about the origins of the Palestinian tragedy was relevant at the time and is still very much relevant to the events taking place in 2023!
History is long--as MLK said, its "arc" is long, "but it bends toward justice."
Thanks for giving us the date of this lecture. It’s always annoying when the date isn’t given
2024
2024 and the tragedy is still on..😢
Being an intellectual is not about how educated one is , it's about thinking about the problems of society and say all wrongdoings loudly no matter what the consequences would be. Noam Chomsky never kept quiet but said it all out loud in the name of the impoverished nations and people.
And as of today--Nov 24, 2023--he'z still doing it!
What consequences did he actually face? Sitting comfortably in a professor’s chair at a prestigious Ivy League university?
This talk must be listened to by everyone in the Western Hemisphere.
Could not more agree!
Thank God it's in English 😂
It's like a time capsule travel, horrid , my hair is snow white, I have wrinkles and this sacred part of the world continue to burn....
Edward Said passed away in 2003, I believe. His death was lamentable as I consider him a key academic supporting the fate of Palestine and the Palestinians.
You should read "Palestine is My Country" written by Geoffrey Furlonge about Musa Alami - a Palestinian who had to leave his family home in Jerusalem and become a refugee. He was a prominent politician fighting for the Palestinians.
Yes, Said was the best kind of public intellectual! But Chomsky has carried on his work, Unfortunately, Chomsky is, himself, very old.
@@stloupenbray*Both will always be among us. Best teachers ever. True masters.
@@stloupenbrayYes, Chomsky is hard to listen to these days but Ilan Pappe, Finklestein & The General’s Son book author (forgot name) + many others strive for a peaceful one state solution. Even Alastair Crooke who was instrumental in negotiating Oslo 2-state is saying that solution was always doomed to failure because the playing field was hopelessly skewed.
Unfortunately the West has no one capable of diplomacy for the last two decades, the likes of Chas Freeman (Nixon China) & his generation of actual empathic diplomats are now just relegated to old antiwar guys, spurned by the current escalatory hothead rhetoric mouthpieces that have zero diplomatic skills. Nima of Dialogue Works has a collection of all those “old people”, it is like a historical collection of what diplomacy meant in the past.
Cherish & learn from these experienced & thoughtful voices before they are gone. Human culture used to venerate the elderly because of their decades of experience. That learning from the past is now denigrated as Luddite mentality & our elderly are shunted into “care” facilities where they were inundated with Covid patients in early 2020 & deprived of contact with family. Unimaginable callousness.
NATO, EU & UK leadership compared to USA, unfortunately are equally belligerent despite the fact that they’re economically ruining Europe & UK is equally suicidal if not worse. Those “leaders” are huffing their own propaganda & remind me of the aggressive stance of Betta male fish who puff up their fins when separated by a barrier to assert dominance. Smoke & Mirrors, bully pulpit.
EU is teetering on catastrophic economic collapse while pretending to build EU military & throw more funds @ Ukraine because they don’t understand sunk cost fallacies. Digging themselves into deeper economic collapse & possible military troop deployments. Apparently it’s all about rhetoric because if they consulted with engineering, military & economic real “experts” (I can’t use the term expert without recalling their history of lies & failures) they would no doubt have been briefed on the plainly evident failures of every measure they’ve adopted & that escalation is doomed to failure.
I used to think more women in government/ politics would lead to a more peaceful world. BTW I’m a feminist from the 60’s, I now totally reject that notion. I’ve been through Cuban missile crisis, original preppers who built bomb shelters & stockpiled frozen foods (before freeze dried was invented). I’m one of those old farts that is always anti war but I’m tech savvy unlike the geezers in US House & Senate & our marionette president.
Can you imagine how hard that would be that Edward Said fought for Palestinian cause single handily in 70th, 80 & 90th when the world United against the state of Palestinian. Edward used receive a death threat just because he was speaking the truth which is the moral and legal obligation must be adhered to as academic.
He was a great person.
Wow what a gem! Thanks!
Thank you for making this important discourse available. Miss jenny
I just found this, thanks so much for uploading these
I am grateful to Professor Noam Chomsky for
Indeed, the heroes of our time.
This Lecture was recorded 1999
Thanks. I was wondering when it occurred.
Make it viral
This isn’t a debate, it’s two intellectuals arguing for basically the same point. It’s great to hear a younger vibrant Chomsky & Said is always intellectually stimulating. It’s incredibly pathetic how little has changed in 20+ years, if anything the obstacles to peace have exponentially increased. How long does it take for the tide to shift from increasing violence towards peace negotiations?
Its wild to me how hardly anyone cares about our moment in history. Nuclear armed monkeys without any principles..
As long as the free human beings of Turtle Island accept the legal fiction of the United States, and pay fealty thereto.
Two wonderful bridges ❤❤
Very nice discussion. Thank you
Edward Said at 42:28
save some 40 minute for us! :) Thanks!
@@3476539060 lol Chomsky is pretty good too.
I guess Chomsky went past 30 minutes
Two state solution isn’t viable.
Ilan Pappe discusses historical formation of Israel nation at length in his books & interviews & concurs that one state w equality for all is the only rational solution but it’s not going to be easy.
Alastair Crooke, British diplomat who was instrumental to negotiations for Oslo Accords also concurs, 2 state solution as it was structured was doomed to failure & the road to equality for all is ultimately the only path forward to peace.
Alastair also says current political realities in ME (West Asia) & globally haven’t been able to shift towards that because of an Arab Consensus agreed upon in 2003(I think). Saudi king is near death, hospitalized. MBS in case of King death is not an automatic transfer into power, the whole family/ tribe must agree to go becomes the next monarch.
The West has been primed that MBS will be next but that is not guaranteed.
Thanks so much for uploading this...
Edward Said figure continues growing
Edward Said talks about the history of the expulsion of the Palestinians in 1948 beginning around 43 minutes and 30 seconds.
th-cam.com/video/BpPEDaQXEvM/w-d-xo.html 1:09:42
I was wrong, he wasn't tortured using a treatment that caused "great chills," but he does say that others have been giving this treatment as a form of torture.
What has changed in 25 years? Nothing, life have become even more restricted and controlled. And that's before October 7th.
Edward said a lot with Noam Chomsky!
Free Palestine!
THANK YOU
Brilliant!
cant there be captions please
Interesting Chomsky’s opening might as well be what is happening NOW or in the last 20 years.
what's the year?
Perhaps 1999? Said mentions 1948 being 51 years earlier, and 1967 being 32 years earlier.
Where's the q and a?
Also where the two talk to each other for 15 minutes.
i hesitate to comment because my own intellectual grasp is less than that of these two men by far,
but i write this: the occupation is itself a brutality (59.20) and - under the fact of it - all actions on the part of the occupier upon the occupied are brutal - that's to say, deny the man occupied the use of his mind
(jibcorrect).
with deep respect, irene
p.s. ...to keep them there? read The Moon Is Down by John Steinbeck and you will learn how and why all occupations of soneone else's house will founder ... messily (1.09.15)
Noam chomksy n-word pass 7:13
He was quoting a primary source, it was the former PM David Lloyd George who said it, but okay man.
Get a life.
And?
Did that have you under the table cowering? Or outside screaming?
Pathetic.
Use vs Mention is completely different. Saying otherwise is giving the word mystical power.
And the world goes on. Nice when there are adults in the room.
Bi national state with self determination for both people is still the only hope.
Looking critically and constantly and courageously at the past,
the core issue in the Middle East is straight forward, namely oil. “The greatest material prize in world history.”
Arab hegemony;
“The Arab facade” ensures the first beneficiaries of a ME country’s resources was the Western investment community, the non Arab states keeping the intervention forces in power. The greatest threat to Western interests was civilian unrest and disobedience. The Palestinians rights are negative as they are disruptive to the devoted guardian, Israel, the only reliable US ally in the region. Peace agreements offered a negative outcome for Palestinians with only partial withdrawal of occupied territory for peace. Pure rejectionist of UN 242 by US is what is called the “peace process”. The first beneficiaries are not ever the people of the region because of US sponsored mass murder and rejectionist program. “There can never be an official 2nd state “. Permanent settlement . Alone plan plus goal is expansion of settlement and development. Palestinian isolation and repression brutality managed by PLO, in standard colonial pattern, the reality of Israel reflects forms of South African apartheid at the depths of its history of racism. Refugees treated discriminatorily in host countries rather being welcomed and sustained.
Johnson Betty Harris Ruth Clark George
Said is completely misrepresenting the situation. His claims about the unequal rights of Arab Israelis are incorrect. He talks endlessly about fences and checkpoints but never questions why they exist, just assuming that the “filthy Jews” don’t want to interact with Palestinians. Could it possibly be more about the constant threat of terrorist attacks?
let me guess checkpoints in occupied lands are justified to keep the people occupying more lands safer, and i guess the segregation in the US and south Africa were justified too. Zionist on the internet have no shame.
White Sarah Walker Matthew Perez Barbara
Learned Jews like Chomsky and Sanders will start from 1948 and never mention their scripture that declares a homeland in Egypt. They take it granted that American crime of occupying Palestine isn't a Jewish problem. so talking about a homeland in Egypt doesn't arise (even though the Israelis want Hamas to be transferred to Sinai, but never talk about transferring Israelis to Egypt because that solves the problem. I have no respect for Chomsky or Sanders.
I am gay
Q____rs for Palestine?
Nobody cares about gay any more. If you want queer attention, you need to go trans
Cheerful, bright and gay?
And?
So what? That hasn’t been an issue for the vast majority of humans for millennia