Hi George.. kinda old video I guess but I wanted to add something about my experience with TPUs. I started with Tubalito.. about 35 a pop. After a couple of replacements it became evident Id go broke using them. I then Tried RideNow brand. Just as good. I’ve been running them on a bike for over 6000 miles. None of them have malfunctioned.. yes a couple of them did flat out due to road hazards.. but Im getting them for about 6 bucks each. I stopped repairing them. I have a repair kit, and it seems to work, but once repaired they are relegated to extreme emergency use. I.e. they sit in a pile of other repaired RideNows. Ridenows are cheap now,,, expecially if you buy them in bulk.. I buy 6 at a time. My other wheels are Tubeless .. I’m just about done with that way of life and will be switching those to RideNows. At 34 grams a tube (the superlights are about 24grs).. they are no heavier than Tubeless setup -a heavier tire, tubeless valve, and sealant. Im pretty much going all out with RideNow after a lot of miles. Tip: if you do buy RideNow on Ebay.. read the descriptions carefully.. many chinese sellers will sell you a generic tpu that looks just like rideNow (minus the labeling). Those tubes have been terrible when I first started buying tpus. RideNow QC is excellent. A great place to buy them at this time is PandaPodium.cc website.. you can get six for about 48 bucks and free shipping. Thats only 8 bucks. They have a no questions asked return policy with an actual person on the phone to talk to.
Let me add- they seem to lose just a little air after a few days. they can leak slightly at valve core. checking the valve is closed tightly after adding air helps. But they have never bled down like latex does. The worst air loss I experienced was about 10 lbs in a couple days.
The Tubolito Repair Kit works well for me. The glue kind of melts the patch to the tube. I just got the Ride Now repair kit and will check out how that works when I get the next flat. I tried the Park Glueless patch before I got the Tubolito Kit and it worked temporarily but when the temp went up (Arizona Heat) the patch loosened and failed. Still I like TPU especially in my saddle bag, more room and less weight. Good video George
George, thanks for keeping it real and expressing yourself during those crappy moments on the road, real life people!! Been using latex tubes and have the same issue with tires dropping over a long ride, will try the other tubes you mentioned. Love the content brother!
I've had AliexpressTPU's on my road bike in Continental Gator Skin 28mm tires for a couple of months now and so far no problems. The reduced weight is noticeable and another thing is my aluminium rims "sing" more. I ordered another pair for my other bike which has Continental Contact Speed 42mm's on it. Regarding CO2, I suggest to fill them slowly, now I'm not sure about this but I can imagine the extreme and sudden cold that you get when just gushing it may actually be quite bad for TPU. I have to repeat that I don't have any experience with this (no flats so far 😛👍) but I thought it would be good to share the thought, just in case... Happy rides to all!
I carry two of the Pirelli version in a Silca saddle bag. I have used the Tubalito to get me home after a tubeless puncture. Worked great. The form factor to give me the confidence when on a long solo ride to carry spares for these lovely NJ roads.
THAT is what I was looking for. I bought a couple of Tubolitos and a couple of knock-offs to gain some real estate in the saddle bag, in case I had a tubeless puncture.
I just installed the Ridenow tubes on my bike with 28mm tires. And have 2bextra ones in my back pocket in my little bag with pump. Excited to see how well they work.
Wonderful please keep us updated. I am most interested in how much pressure loss you get in a 24 hour period my events are going to get much longer in the next month or two.
To avoid using different tyre widths with the same set of Tubolitos was new to me, so thanks for the info! I’ve used these orange tubes quite a lot for a couple of years now, and so far so good. I like them. Best thing, however, I can now bring two spares.
Really appreciate you taking a look at TPUs and sharing the results. Similar to you, I have long events where latex tire pressure loss is an issue. Because of your reviews, I'm willing to consider TPUs. But based on your experience so far, I'd probably only use them for long events and then change back to latex for every day use. Seem just a bit finicky, and I don't really care for the fact that they wear out pretty quickly. I also don't care to go back to floor pumps for daily inflation.
Thanks for answering questions about these tubes. Use the bucket with water trickto find leaks when all else fails. Patch tubes a few times before there no worn. Cheaper than buying a new tube.
We only use them for spares. But, you gave me a thought. If I’m running tubeless now so if I need to toss in a tubilito or any tube I may have another flat before I start rolling again. Seeing how the tubeless may have stopped a leak or two I may not have noticed before and the item maybe still in the tire. Without pliers or cutters I might be stuck
Ha ha I can’t tell you how many times I’ve pulled out an obvious object that would cause a puncture then quickly inserted a tube to find I puncture again because there were multiple items in the tire. 😢
Adding to an old thread. if you don't have a bucket of water to hand, use your lips to find the hole. much more sensitive than ears to flowing air. Haven't used tpu tubes myself but have a pair on order. so long as you find patches that work they seem all upside and they'll get cheaper.
I have had since April '22 various rimbreak-Tubolitos in use on my aluminium-rim(campa wheelset) rimbreake bike. First 30% of them leaked horrible on the valves when I whas putting them in. One spear tube exploded when I whas using my co2 cartdrige out there on the road during a race. Than I tried the Tubolito repair-kit. In Croatia inside my parked car the first repaired flatted (maybe because it overheated...) later on the road the second repaired also flattend. The last one flattend one weak ago in winter, until then no more experiments for me. But I am still impressed by the feeling, dont know if its true, but for me Tubolitos feel faster. But for me, the hustle with punctures is more frustrating... Thats why im on butyl for know... but still missing the feeling of the better rolling-resistance... Greetings from Germany, I like your videos an own a F. Moser steelbike, which I ride from time to time 😉
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I used Tubolutos for about a year. I found that they held air well, but I was not happy with their durability. I like them a lot more than latex. But they are pricey. I've never tried to patch them.
Great information. Possibly too detailed for some, but you give useful, potentially problem avoiding insights for those considering these more expensive tubes. Personally, I'm only looking at these as a saddle bag space saver. I've watched a number of other channel's videos on tpu tubes, but no one's even mentioned half the issues you cover here. Thanks
Glad it was helpful! Most channels want to shill "latest and greatest" when a plain tube works just fine. No one on any of these channels can ever realize the marginal performance that a TPU tube MIGHT give them. They are all full of shit saying that they felt it was faster. Most people are completely out of shape and can't produce the power numbers required to actually feel the marginal gains from TPU tubes. It's all bullshit. They review these things for the TH-cam clicks. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
My first mtb ride on my Ridenow tube I got a small hole. I believe it was just a piece of debris in the tire when I installed it. Cleaned tire out, patched the tube with a glueless Lezyne patch and it held air on second ride and is still holding air.
I took the journey from butyl to tubeless (2 messy flats) to butyl to TPU. The TPUs have noticeably reduced rolling resistance (very obvious on climbs). They are easy to install, take up a third the space of butyl tubes, and easy to patch. I use and powered air pump but control the rate of inflation.
Used cheaper version of RideNow and I was damn impressed with GP5000/32mm I tried how it will endure my gravel stuff, and man. Hills it endured in the forest. Impressive. My 75 and 100km ride no problem at all... That was like month ago, but yesterday I got flat on both wheels, also on little downhill with rocky terrain, so cannot complain much, I guess. I pumped them to 5,5Bar front/6Bar rear. Maybe that was the issue as they were tiny harder then what I rode them before with my 100 kg. I do not have these glueless or TPU patches, so got the tubes at home now. Surely will ride them if not going back to tubeless.
I carry them as spares.The Pirelli version I have can be used in 32mm tyres and are much more compact than a butyl tube of that size.I have a Fumpa mini pump and when I inflated a tubilito tube it got hot and melted the vale stem. Here in the uk I use latex tubes in summer and tubless 32 mm tyres in winter.I have been running road tubeless for many years and have encountered pretty much all the problems you highlighted in your Tubless sucks video.The best road side repair system I have found is Dynaplug, so far it has been very effective.
I'm guessing, the couple of punctures won't be stopping you from continuing with TPU tubes for a while to build up a better picture of their reliability? Do you think the punctures were just bad luck, or that Tublito tubes are more prone to punctures? Regarding to temperature and braking, it will suffer the same as plastic heating pipes, as the temperature increases, the strength of the plastic decreases. I'm looking forward to your next video in this little series on tubless alternatives.
Some TH-camrs claim that TPU tubes are more puncture resistant than butyl tubes, and hold air better than than butyl tubes. I thought they had to be brainwashed by marketing hype (just like with idea of going tubeless). Your video confirms that they are indeed victims of marketing hype. I will stick with butyl tubes. No TPU/ latex/ tubeless for me.
Agreed. I will be sticking with bulyl also. TPU tubes are like a lot of modern alternatives to old trusty things. Higher performance and really marketable but with less longevity. Manufacturers are moving towards ensuring people need to buy new and within a set time. If your not a professional racer trying to shave 10ths of a second then why bother, the durability claims of TPU are questionable. I have two mountain bikes, one converted to a commuter and have been using the same butyl tubes for many years without any issues. I've had a couple of flats from running over broken glass and a screw in the last 10 years but currently I have about 15'000 km since the last leak or flat on my patched tubes. I ride to work and trail ride about 5-6 days a week.
Everyone is just gonna end up with rubber tubes again. I’m running conti 5000 tlr (the old ones) on winspace hyper 50s…set up was cake. Got the tire to snap in with a floor pump……but, adding sealent and worryin about any mild to major issue on the road has me wanting to just use tubes again
I think you’re right John! Some, a small sect of riders, will continue to suffer trying to make it work but the majority of the cycling community will just use tubes. Tubes won’t go away anytime soon they prolific in the kid and lifestyle market.
I've been riding tubeless for several years on my road and gravel bikes. It has been great. I have no complaints and not real issues. What problems do you have with it?
@@DaveCM it only takes 3 minutes to change a flat. 5 minutes if you’re super slow. I don’t flat much and when I did on tubeless it never sealed. When you ride 10,000-14,000 miles per year tubeless is a huge pain in the ass. The Retro Grouch speaks 25 Reasons Why Road Tubeless Sucks! th-cam.com/video/NyNvg-3fivY/w-d-xo.html
@George Vargas it really isn't a pain though. Just top it off periodically and it works great. I have had numerous punctures that sealed without me even knowing it. I check to make sure I have enough sealant every so often and top it off if needed. Just remove the valve core, check it, fill the tire back up. I've only had one not seal and that was because the sidewall was damaged near the rim. I put in a tube and went on my way. It really isn't that complicated. On another note, if I had a lot of bikes or wheels I used, I would have tubes at least in some. I have tubes in my climbing wheels since I hardly ever use them. A couple of years ago, I was heading to the mountains and the climbing wheels had dried up sealant.
As mentioned before I use Tubolitos since approx 3000 km now without problems so far. But I have to add i use them with Pirelli Cinturato Velo tyres with are more of a puncture resistant tyre. My though here was that with this tyres I don't have to rely on the puncture resistance claims of Tubolito for their tubes and I can offset some of the extra weight of the tyres. I don't know if it does anything to the rolling resistance. Is there a reason why you use the 60mm valve stems since you don't use deep section rims?
I think it doesn't really matter what tube you're using, puncture resistance pretty much comes down to your tire. If something is getting through your tire, it's probably going to puncture your tube.
My understanding is that TPU should be close to latex when it comes to rolling resistance, so not much worse than tubeless. That said I'm using the same tyres in 28 mm, and they are not really fast... but I can't find much faster with high puncture resistance, so...
Just received three new tubilito's, one faulty with a partial through melt hole. For me i'm just not prepared taking the risk with a blow out, or trashing my bike, rims, or even me. For the top tear price tag sending out faulty tubes is just piss taking. Very disappointed.
Use butyl patches on the TPU tubes. It works way better for some reason. Also, not all TPU tubes are equal. It would be nice to see more reputable brands making them but the product actually hurts their profit margins. A good and affordable TPU tube will mean lower sales for the more expensive butyl and latex. Everyone is going to switch over.
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Lighter, lower drag, more portable spares, cheaper to manufacture which should mean cheaper to buy once they catch on, and they're recyclable. That's why..
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George, I have a question not related to video. I am thinking of building out a new bike with titanium frame. If the frame comes with a press fit bottom bracket, is it possible to convert it to threaded bottom bracket. If possible which kit should I use to covert it? Thanks
I wonder if the manufacturer recommending you replace them with a tyre is akin to Shimano saying only use their chains with their cassettes? I.e. it will make them more money to say this? But it's not really true?
I have doubt about the tire pressure. My tire is maxxis 125psi max but when i pump 90 i feel too much pressure in the tire my 25c goes to 28c now even at 80 psi. Pls help me to decide what tire pressure should i pump my tpu inner tube. Thanks
Hi so i change over on my road bike to the tpu ride now nothing but a positive result and with this been said how do you feel about gravel tpu do you feel its a good idea?
Hello Angel I hope TPU road continues to work for you. I think gravel and MTB should fine running tubeless. I don’t know there is a benefit to TPU for gravel except that a TPU as a spare tube will save A LOT of space in your flat kit compared to a butyl tube. Cheers!
I just rewatched the video - if you couldn’t tell from all the unnecessary hassle and extra precautions and extra cost with using these TPU tubes - I’ll make it clear here - this is a hard pass for me. Don’t waste your money on this bike industry marketing bullshit
Maybe I’ll give TPU a shot for spares, knowing that they patch well, thanks for doing this! Any chance you’d give silca tubeless fluid a shot? A couple riders swear by it, I might try it on my all road bike with 30mm tires for our crappy winter roads here in the north east.
I tried Silca sealant it’s like Elmer’s glue. It so damn messy to work with. I ride 25 tires there isn’t enough of a well to put it in. Not being able to put it through the valve is then means a huge mess.
Yeah the mess factor is something I don’t particularly care for, and I wouldn’t run any sealant in 25-28mm tires. I’m just not sure if it’s worth the hassle, but always trying to make my multi day, multi century rides more comfortable on some 30mm rubber.
@@ian_pedalz today I rode my Steel Tommasini with Steel fork with Chris King Mavic Open Pro 32 spoke wheels on 23 tires and wondered what all the fuss is about 30mm and 32 mm tires. 104 miles 6300 feet 6.5 hours rolling time. I was very comfortable and didn’t want for more. FYI - upcoming video on helping a rider get his first century
On century rides that bring me home 28mm is my go to, but when the bike is loaded and I’m doing multi day centuries the 30mm tires do take a decent amount of buzz out of the road for me. I think having the bike loaded a bit makes a big difference in ride and I refuse to go to a touring set up, way to slow for my liking 😂. I’d love to see how you set your rig up for centuries, I’m partial to steel and titanium myself so show off the rest of your stable!
@@ian_pedalz I don’t have a Century setup. Any bike I own can and is ridden on a Century. You must be riding a disc brake bike. Only people riding those need 28, 30 or 32 mm tires. They ride like shit. The industry keeps making them 10% stiffer and 10% lighter every year the Retro Grouch in me cringes every year because all that means is it’s more and more uncomfortable every year. Rim brake and especially steel rim brake don’t need 30 mm tires. Those are clown car tires
I’m not impressed for the amount of money you have to spend and their fragility. However, when I did Paris Brest Paris (1226 km 12,000 m) 762 miles 40,000 feet unsupported event I was able to squeeze 3 TPU tubes in the space of 2 Butyl tubes for my spares so there’s that 😂
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thank you for the quick answer! I see there's a lot of bad reviews concerning the Tubolito ones... I tried Ridenow and one tube failed 70km into a ride (by itself with nothing in the tire), the replacement failed right away so i don't get all the good reviews about these also haha. Maybe the Pirelli reinforced are worth a try...
@georgevargas7351 It does indeed. I've never tried tubeless on my road bikes but I can definitely see why they would be problematic. Anyway, I've learned over the years that there are a few places where I'm not going to try to save weight. I've added inner tubes to the list.
I think TPU is the future for Road/Commuter skinny tires bikes. On AEx. you already can buy 19g RideNow TPU's . I hope BicycleRollingResistance test them soon...
there used to be hole finders that is a transparent plastic cylinder with mesh on both ends and styrofoam balls in the middle. you moved it around the tube, and when the balls moved you've found the general area of your hole in the tube. i thought it's a clever idea but never actually tried it. fischer lochfinder, dyto leak detector, or some other product. i see it on german amazon under asin number B06XXC8X16. this might be more convenient than a bucket of water for someone on a multiday trip, especially as the longer part of fixing a tube usually is finding the hole in the first place.
Hi George.. kinda old video I guess but I wanted to add something about my experience with TPUs. I started with Tubalito.. about 35 a pop. After a couple of replacements it became evident Id go broke using them. I then Tried RideNow brand. Just as good. I’ve been running them on a bike for over 6000 miles. None of them have malfunctioned.. yes a couple of them did flat out due to road hazards.. but Im getting them for about 6 bucks each. I stopped repairing them. I have a repair kit, and it seems to work, but once repaired they are relegated to extreme emergency use. I.e. they sit in a pile of other repaired RideNows. Ridenows are cheap now,,, expecially if you buy them in bulk.. I buy 6 at a time.
My other wheels are Tubeless .. I’m just about done with that way of life and will be switching those to RideNows. At 34 grams a tube (the superlights are about 24grs).. they are no heavier than Tubeless setup -a heavier tire, tubeless valve, and sealant.
Im pretty much going all out with RideNow after a lot of miles.
Tip: if you do buy RideNow on Ebay.. read the descriptions carefully.. many chinese sellers will sell you a generic tpu that looks just like rideNow (minus the labeling). Those tubes have been terrible when I first started buying tpus. RideNow QC is excellent.
A great place to buy them at this time is PandaPodium.cc website.. you can get six for about 48 bucks and free shipping. Thats only 8 bucks. They have a no questions asked return policy with an actual person on the phone to talk to.
Let me add- they seem to lose just a little air after a few days. they can leak slightly at valve core. checking the valve is closed tightly after adding air helps. But they have never bled down like latex does. The worst air loss I experienced was about 10 lbs in a couple days.
I’ve been using them for about 2 years now and they are great n lightweight. No problems, especially with my continental 5000 tires.
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Rim brake or disc?
The Tubolito Repair Kit works well for me. The glue kind of melts the patch to the tube. I just got the Ride Now repair kit and will check out how that works when I get the next flat. I tried the Park Glueless patch before I got the Tubolito Kit and it worked temporarily but when the temp went up (Arizona Heat) the patch loosened and failed. Still I like TPU especially in my saddle bag, more room and less weight. Good video George
George, thanks for keeping it real and expressing yourself during those crappy moments on the road, real life people!! Been using latex tubes and have the same issue with tires dropping over a long ride, will try the other tubes you mentioned. Love the content brother!
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I've had AliexpressTPU's on my road bike in Continental Gator Skin 28mm tires for a couple of months now and so far no problems. The reduced weight is noticeable and another thing is my aluminium rims "sing" more. I ordered another pair for my other bike which has Continental Contact Speed 42mm's on it.
Regarding CO2, I suggest to fill them slowly, now I'm not sure about this but I can imagine the extreme and sudden cold that you get when just gushing it may actually be quite bad for TPU. I have to repeat that I don't have any experience with this (no flats so far 😛👍) but I thought it would be good to share the thought, just in case...
Happy rides to all!
I carry two of the Pirelli version in a Silca saddle bag. I have used the Tubalito to get me home after a tubeless puncture. Worked great. The form factor to give me the confidence when on a long solo ride to carry spares for these lovely NJ roads.
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THAT is what I was looking for. I bought a couple of Tubolitos and a couple of knock-offs to gain some real estate in the saddle bag, in case I had a tubeless puncture.
I just installed the Ridenow tubes on my bike with 28mm tires. And have 2bextra ones in my back pocket in my little bag with pump. Excited to see how well they work.
Wonderful please keep us updated. I am most interested in how much pressure loss you get in a 24 hour period my events are going to get much longer in the next month or two.
To avoid using different tyre widths with the same set of Tubolitos was new to me, so thanks for the info! I’ve used these orange tubes quite a lot for a couple of years now, and so far so good. I like them. Best thing, however, I can now bring two spares.
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Really appreciate you taking a look at TPUs and sharing the results. Similar to you, I have long events where latex tire pressure loss is an issue. Because of your reviews, I'm willing to consider TPUs. But based on your experience so far, I'd probably only use them for long events and then change back to latex for every day use. Seem just a bit finicky, and I don't really care for the fact that they wear out pretty quickly. I also don't care to go back to floor pumps for daily inflation.
Thanks for answering questions about these tubes. Use the bucket with water trickto find leaks when all else fails. Patch tubes a few times before there no worn. Cheaper than buying a new tube.
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We only use them for spares. But, you gave me a thought. If I’m running tubeless now so if I need to toss in a tubilito or any tube I may have another flat before I start rolling again. Seeing how the tubeless may have stopped a leak or two I may not have noticed before and the item maybe still in the tire. Without pliers or cutters I might be stuck
Ha ha I can’t tell you how many times I’ve pulled out an obvious object that would cause a puncture then quickly inserted a tube to find I puncture again because there were multiple items in the tire. 😢
Adding to an old thread. if you don't have a bucket of water to hand, use your lips to find the hole. much more sensitive than ears to flowing air. Haven't used tpu tubes myself but have a pair on order. so long as you find patches that work they seem all upside and they'll get cheaper.
I have had since April '22 various rimbreak-Tubolitos in use on my aluminium-rim(campa wheelset) rimbreake bike. First 30% of them leaked horrible on the valves when I whas putting them in. One spear tube exploded when I whas using my co2 cartdrige out there on the road during a race. Than I tried the Tubolito repair-kit. In Croatia inside my parked car the first repaired flatted (maybe because it overheated...) later on the road the second repaired also flattend. The last one flattend one weak ago in winter, until then no more experiments for me. But I am still impressed by the feeling, dont know if its true, but for me Tubolitos feel faster. But for me, the hustle with punctures is more frustrating... Thats why im on butyl for know... but still missing the feeling of the better rolling-resistance... Greetings from Germany, I like your videos an own a F. Moser steelbike, which I ride from time to time 😉
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I used Tubolutos for about a year. I found that they held air well, but I was not happy with their durability. I like them a lot more than latex. But they are pricey. I've never tried to patch them.
Great information. Possibly too detailed for some, but you give useful, potentially problem avoiding insights for those considering these more expensive tubes. Personally, I'm only looking at these as a saddle bag space saver. I've watched a number of other channel's videos on tpu tubes, but no one's even mentioned half the issues you cover here. Thanks
Glad it was helpful! Most channels want to shill "latest and greatest" when a plain tube works just fine. No one on any of these channels can ever realize the marginal performance that a TPU tube MIGHT give them. They are all full of shit saying that they felt it was faster. Most people are completely out of shape and can't produce the power numbers required to actually feel the marginal gains from TPU tubes. It's all bullshit. They review these things for the TH-cam clicks. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
My first mtb ride on my Ridenow tube I got a small hole. I believe it was just a piece of debris in the tire when I installed it. Cleaned tire out, patched the tube with a glueless Lezyne patch and it held air on second ride and is still holding air.
I took the journey from butyl to tubeless (2 messy flats) to butyl to TPU. The TPUs have noticeably reduced rolling resistance (very obvious on climbs). They are easy to install, take up a third the space of butyl tubes, and easy to patch. I use and powered air pump but control the rate of inflation.
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I love the panaracer r air tube. It's a very light, high quality and durable butyl tube.
I’ll look into it!
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Used cheaper version of RideNow and I was damn impressed with GP5000/32mm I tried how it will endure my gravel stuff, and man. Hills it endured in the forest. Impressive. My 75 and 100km ride no problem at all... That was like month ago, but yesterday I got flat on both wheels, also on little downhill with rocky terrain, so cannot complain much, I guess. I pumped them to 5,5Bar front/6Bar rear. Maybe that was the issue as they were tiny harder then what I rode them before with my 100 kg. I do not have these glueless or TPU patches, so got the tubes at home now. Surely will ride them if not going back to tubeless.
I carry them as spares.The Pirelli version I have can be used in 32mm tyres and are much more compact than a butyl tube of that size.I have a Fumpa mini pump and when I inflated a tubilito tube it got hot and melted the vale stem. Here in the uk I use latex tubes in summer and tubless 32 mm tyres in winter.I have been running road tubeless for many years and have encountered pretty much all the problems you highlighted in your Tubless sucks video.The best road side repair system I have found is Dynaplug, so far it has been very effective.
I'm guessing, the couple of punctures won't be stopping you from continuing with TPU tubes for a while to build up a better picture of their reliability? Do you think the punctures were just bad luck, or that Tublito tubes are more prone to punctures?
Regarding to temperature and braking, it will suffer the same as plastic heating pipes, as the temperature increases, the strength of the plastic decreases.
I'm looking forward to your next video in this little series on tubless alternatives.
I find after 2 years they don’t hold air more than 12 hours. I think it’s a small leak between valve and tube, probably the glue has aged.
Thank You for thé long term review
Tpu tubes are good but check out little bit thick one. That’s way comfy than thin one
They lost me with tubeless when they told me I had to clean the rims, tires, and re-apply sealant every 6 months. Hard pass.
Yep tubeless is not for people who ride a lot or have many bikes. But there are people who love to tinker with their bikes all the time. 😂
I’ve had good feedback repairing aerothan tubes using that very tacky flex tape….walmart etc…cut it up into patch size pieces big and small 🥳
Nice! Like Gorilla tape or…
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad it’s a weird kind of tape little thicker than gorilla tape…cheap though and good quality 👍🏻
Some TH-camrs claim that TPU tubes are more puncture resistant than butyl tubes, and hold air better than than butyl tubes. I thought they had to be brainwashed by marketing hype (just like with idea of going tubeless). Your video confirms that they are indeed victims of marketing hype.
I will stick with butyl tubes. No TPU/ latex/ tubeless for me.
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Agreed. I will be sticking with bulyl also. TPU tubes are like a lot of modern alternatives to old trusty things. Higher performance and really marketable but with less longevity. Manufacturers are moving towards ensuring people need to buy new and within a set time. If your not a professional racer trying to shave 10ths of a second then why bother, the durability claims of TPU are questionable. I have two mountain bikes, one converted to a commuter and have been using the same butyl tubes for many years without any issues. I've had a couple of flats from running over broken glass and a screw in the last 10 years but currently I have about 15'000 km since the last leak or flat on my patched tubes. I ride to work and trail ride about 5-6 days a week.
Everyone is just gonna end up with rubber tubes again. I’m running conti 5000 tlr (the old ones) on winspace hyper 50s…set up was cake. Got the tire to snap in with a floor pump……but, adding sealent and worryin about any mild to major issue on the road has me wanting to just use tubes again
I think you’re right John! Some, a small sect of riders, will continue to suffer trying to make it work but the majority of the cycling community will just use tubes. Tubes won’t go away anytime soon they prolific in the kid and lifestyle market.
I've been riding tubeless for several years on my road and gravel bikes. It has been great. I have no complaints and not real issues. What problems do you have with it?
Hello David I did a video about 25 reasons why tubeless sucks for road. How many miles/km do you ride per year?
@George Vargas about 5,000 miles on road and 2 or 3,000 on my gravel bike. It is nice not having flats to repair on rides.
@@DaveCM it only takes 3 minutes to change a flat. 5 minutes if you’re super slow. I don’t flat much and when I did on tubeless it never sealed. When you ride 10,000-14,000 miles per year tubeless is a huge pain in the ass.
The Retro Grouch speaks 25 Reasons Why Road Tubeless Sucks!
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@George Vargas it really isn't a pain though. Just top it off periodically and it works great. I have had numerous punctures that sealed without me even knowing it. I check to make sure I have enough sealant every so often and top it off if needed. Just remove the valve core, check it, fill the tire back up. I've only had one not seal and that was because the sidewall was damaged near the rim. I put in a tube and went on my way. It really isn't that complicated.
On another note, if I had a lot of bikes or wheels I used, I would have tubes at least in some. I have tubes in my climbing wheels since I hardly ever use them. A couple of years ago, I was heading to the mountains and the climbing wheels had dried up sealant.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad and I watched the 25 reasons video when it came out. I even responded to it. I wasn't impressed by that video.
As mentioned before I use Tubolitos since approx 3000 km now without problems so far.
But I have to add i use them with Pirelli Cinturato Velo tyres with are more of a puncture resistant tyre.
My though here was that with this tyres I don't have to rely on the puncture resistance claims of Tubolito for their tubes and I can offset some of the extra weight of the tyres. I don't know if it does anything to the rolling resistance.
Is there a reason why you use the 60mm valve stems since you don't use deep section rims?
I think it doesn't really matter what tube you're using, puncture resistance pretty much comes down to your tire. If something is getting through your tire, it's probably going to puncture your tube.
Having 60 mm tubes they can go into my low profile wheels and my HED Jet Black RC4 (46 mm)
My understanding is that TPU should be close to latex when it comes to rolling resistance, so not much worse than tubeless.
That said I'm using the same tyres in 28 mm, and they are not really fast... but I can't find much faster with high puncture resistance, so...
Just received three new tubilito's, one faulty with a partial through melt hole. For me i'm just not prepared taking the risk with a blow out, or trashing my bike, rims, or even me.
For the top tear price tag sending out faulty tubes is just piss taking.
Very disappointed.
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Use butyl patches on the TPU tubes. It works way better for some reason. Also, not all TPU tubes are equal. It would be nice to see more reputable brands making them but the product actually hurts their profit margins. A good and affordable TPU tube will mean lower sales for the more expensive butyl and latex. Everyone is going to switch over.
I just don't see why anyone would want to switch to TPU but if it works for you then more power to you. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Lighter, lower drag, more portable spares, cheaper to manufacture which should mean cheaper to buy once they catch on, and they're recyclable. That's why..
@@LaOwlett nope don’t see it happening.
5 min of very good info in a 20 min video
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad .......Well said. Cheers
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George, I have a question not related to video. I am thinking of building out a new bike with titanium frame. If the frame comes with a press fit bottom bracket, is it possible to convert it to threaded bottom bracket. If possible which kit should I use to covert it?
Thanks
Depending on the measurements you can use a Praxis or Wheels Manufacturing or a Torq Tite BB - all these BB thread into itself
I wonder if the manufacturer recommending you replace them with a tyre is akin to Shimano saying only use their chains with their cassettes? I.e. it will make them more money to say this? But it's not really true?
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I have doubt about the tire pressure. My tire is maxxis 125psi max but when i pump 90 i feel too much pressure in the tire my 25c goes to 28c now even at 80 psi. Pls help me to decide what tire pressure should i pump my tpu inner tube. Thanks
Hello there are tire pressure calculators out there. Silca has one and so does Rene Herse
very helpful ty!
Glad to hear!
Helium party balloon tank FTW 😅
Ha ha
Hi so i change over on my road bike to the tpu ride now nothing but a positive result and with this been said how do you feel about gravel tpu do you feel its a good idea?
Hello Angel I hope TPU road continues to work for you. I think gravel and MTB should fine running tubeless. I don’t know there is a benefit to TPU for gravel except that a TPU as a spare tube will save A LOT of space in your flat kit compared to a butyl tube. Cheers!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad thank you for the info
@@angelortiz353 you’re welcome and thanks for watching
The TPU tubes are starting to sound about finicky. I'll reserve judgement until you do your long-term review
After 20 minutes I still don’t know if you think they’re any good??
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I just rewatched the video - if you couldn’t tell from all the unnecessary hassle and extra precautions and extra cost with using these TPU tubes - I’ll make it clear here - this is a hard pass for me. Don’t waste your money on this bike industry marketing bullshit
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad now, that’s an unequivocal conclusion! ☺️
Maybe I’ll give TPU a shot for spares, knowing that they patch well, thanks for doing this!
Any chance you’d give silca tubeless fluid a shot? A couple riders swear by it, I might try it on my all road bike with 30mm tires for our crappy winter roads here in the north east.
I tried Silca sealant it’s like Elmer’s glue. It so damn messy to work with. I ride 25 tires there isn’t enough of a well to put it in. Not being able to put it through the valve is then means a huge mess.
Yeah the mess factor is something I don’t particularly care for, and I wouldn’t run any sealant in 25-28mm tires. I’m just not sure if it’s worth the hassle, but always trying to make my multi day, multi century rides more comfortable on some 30mm rubber.
@@ian_pedalz today I rode my Steel Tommasini with Steel fork with Chris King Mavic Open Pro 32 spoke wheels on 23 tires and wondered what all the fuss is about 30mm and 32 mm tires. 104 miles 6300 feet 6.5 hours rolling time. I was very comfortable and didn’t want for more.
FYI - upcoming video on helping a rider get his first century
On century rides that bring me home 28mm is my go to, but when the bike is loaded and I’m doing multi day centuries the 30mm tires do take a decent amount of buzz out of the road for me. I think having the bike loaded a bit makes a big difference in ride and I refuse to go to a touring set up, way to slow for my liking 😂. I’d love to see how you set your rig up for centuries, I’m partial to steel and titanium myself so show off the rest of your stable!
@@ian_pedalz I don’t have a Century setup. Any bike I own can and is ridden on a Century. You must be riding a disc brake bike. Only people riding those need 28, 30 or 32 mm tires. They ride like shit. The industry keeps making them 10% stiffer and 10% lighter every year the Retro Grouch in me cringes every year because all that means is it’s more and more uncomfortable every year. Rim brake and especially steel rim brake don’t need 30 mm tires. Those are clown car tires
Hello, so what do you think of them now?
I’m not impressed for the amount of money you have to spend and their fragility. However, when I did Paris Brest Paris (1226 km 12,000 m) 762 miles 40,000 feet unsupported event I was able to squeeze 3 TPU tubes in the space of 2 Butyl tubes for my spares so there’s that 😂
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Thank you for the quick answer!
I see there's a lot of bad reviews concerning the Tubolito ones...
I tried Ridenow and one tube failed 70km into a ride (by itself with nothing in the tire), the replacement failed right away so i don't get all the good reviews about these also haha.
Maybe the Pirelli reinforced are worth a try...
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Hi is it ok to ask you a question i got sent the wrong size tpu inner tube 700x32 do you think it will be ok on a 700x38 bike tyre thanks
Probably not. I wouldn’t.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad ok thanks have a happy new year 🎊
Dude, are you asking this question to every youtubers??
@@nadsim154 just wanted to make sure I get it right 👍
@@zennhawkins2219 Ok my answer would also be no btw, your tube would be too fragile in that configuration even if some of them said no problem :)
whats the max psi you can add on tubolitos?
I don’t know. I don’t ride them. I bet you can find it on their site or the packaging. I think they are a waste of money for 90% of the people
It seems like the fragility and cost of these tubes make this one a bust...
Those are my thoughts, exactly not to mention their cost
I'll make a video of them after a frwq rides.
You have a channel then?
Against my better judgement I tried them again. Never again. I'm through. Way too fragile.
Lol sounds like me and tubeless! 😂
@georgevargas7351 It does indeed. I've never tried tubeless on my road bikes but I can definitely see why they would be problematic. Anyway, I've learned over the years that there are a few places where I'm not going to try to save weight. I've added inner tubes to the list.
Two peas in a pod... I think in exactly the same terms.
Ha ha thank you fellow pea 🫛 😂
TPU for spares
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goat head land nightmare need 26 tpi cst cheap thick tires and pray
26 TPI … so close to a solid rubber tire 😂
That beautiful Ritchey with bright orange valves.....no bueno..maybe a black marker?😃
Ha ha Tubolito is so proud of their orange tube and valve stems 😂
I think TPU is the future for Road/Commuter skinny tires bikes. On AEx. you already can buy 19g RideNow TPU's . I hope BicycleRollingResistance test them soon...
Do you ride them? What’s your experience with them?
I installed Aliexpress Cyclami 38 g, with 28 mm Pirelli cinturato velo, after 350 km no loss of pressure...
Too expensive not enough upside. Latex for me.
I think you’re right but for my longer rides next season Latex bleeds too much air during my 12-24 hour rides 😢
Did you say something
Nope just move along
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad sorry mate. Good job have a good day. All the best.
Gorilla tape?
For patching!
so much hassle
Right?
there used to be hole finders that is a transparent plastic cylinder with mesh on both ends and styrofoam balls in the middle. you moved it around the tube, and when the balls moved you've found the general area of your hole in the tube. i thought it's a clever idea but never actually tried it. fischer lochfinder, dyto leak detector, or some other product. i see it on german amazon under asin number B06XXC8X16. this might be more convenient than a bucket of water for someone on a multiday trip, especially as the longer part of fixing a tube usually is finding the hole in the first place.