Nice 😂😂 but You can't be Yuval. Yuval have unique personality which is shaped by his culture, actions and thoughts. As he say in his books, We can only be influenced by Yuval and try to copy his patterns. We better be our own observer of world and patterns and enjoy the story told by our mind. 😅
Harari asks the one key question that Zuckerberg avoids answering: "Are we trying to connect people so ultimately they will leave the screens and go and play football or pick up garbage or are we trying to keep them as long as possible on the screens?"
I think I can answer that: It's not meant to obtain Zuckerberg's answer. It was meant to get Zuckerberg ask himself that very same question later. How do you spawn a change within someone? You do not "tell them to change". Rather than that, you get them to think the subject through and through.
@@mannyzagri7451 Don't you think It would be good to ask dirrectly if he thinks that taking our voices and thougts to be sold without declare.it in the therms of use is fare? Sorry for my bad english (I am brasilian).
Mark: „It’s important to make people feel good about themselves“ Yuval: „People that feel good about themselves have done some of the most terrible things in human history“
Mark is bit more optimistic about the newer technology while Yuval is bit apprehensive about the same. Both have their own perspectives. Who knows what would happen in future. I am glad to see two contrasting views being discussed in a single frame in an educative manner !
I would argue that that's not actually true. The terrible people might have seemed from the outside to feel good about themselves and they had giant egos. But deep inside all of the most horrible people were deeply deeply troubled and messed up. No happy and fulfilled human being wants to harm others. It's only the people in pain who want to bring pain to others.
@@ThinkHuman "No happy and fulfilled human being wants to harm others" are you sure? first of all: happiness is no constant condition. second: many rich and somehow satisfied people exactly want this; harm other people. why? because "their success", what ever its made of, often makes them think to be something better than others. one possibility. the other causes are for example crazy wishes for consumption, that always go on. its multicausal of course, just as the influence on happiness is multicausal and never static. i could go on forever with this. i just think, you are wrong with this statement.
Jewish r very patient people generally speaking. After all the shit they gone through history & finally the Holocaust, they got such a small country that everyone wants to take it from them & they still try to explain patiently the need for a Jewish state.
Around minute 7, I thought of reading the comments. It’s not always that you come across a helpful and generous people. Thank you for your time for saving mine!
Yuval Harari, you are an amazing compassionate human being, thank you. Mark, please consider the wisdom and intelligence that Yuval is so generously presenting to you, for the sake of humanity and the natural world.
Yes you can. Ed Sheeran did it. Bought his neighbours houses so that he can live in peace. If you have as much money as Mark, you can doing anything you want.
Mark somehow consistently manages to keep the conversation flat and on the surface level. + Instant answers without thinking pauses + Delaying the exciting topics for later (never managed to get back to) + Monologes over average developments, repetitive about how he is advocating for connection + Defensive arguments for potentially backhanded accusations - 100% awareness + 50% filler words
Mark: Economy economy economy. Business, entrepreneurs, economy! Yuval: Yes, but a stronger economy in our current model doesn't actually solve the essential problems of human suffering. Mark: I totally agree, but there's a deeper question here. And business, economy, coding, economy, economy, production! The shareholder and the intellectual.
These two have been thrusts unto humanity as some greats which they are not, just an illusion of one. No one really cares about either one as they are corrupt!
Has obviously part of this new religion anti Christ garbage. If you can't see it you just don't know where to look. These guys you can see coming 10 miles away, so transparent. It's all deception
I don't know why but I feel that people who speak in their second language often take more time to consider what they are saying. A large part of it does have to do with his intelligence though
@@theflaca Most people in the US just expect fluency in English, which is why it seems so mundane, but with greater consideration, the level of intellectual achievement of language competency Yuval has is incredible!
Here’s the big issue: Mark only listens to himself and seems unable to respond to the issues being raised. He dominates the conversation without really saying anything
@@karaa7595 Obviously. But most of us on the spectrum realize that seeing the world differently and having really high IQs doesn't mean we have nothing to learn.
I had my mouth dropped when MZ applied that “people who didn’t adjust to online communities” are lost!? Good that he understands that virtual “friends” are not only the same- it’s totally different. Mostly because he is not present there
zuckerbergs iniative here comes from lack of experience historically speaking and his are views of his younger generation ..goals very greatly here.....great sell for facebook......
Zuckerberg never shifts his perspective, or even admits that perhaps he should. I find this scary. He is speaking with a brilliant expert in history and humanity, yet never listens to learn: he listens only well enough to argue his own premise. Zuckerberg believes that people who are impoverished and marginalized by the AI revolution can simply make different political choices, even as he fights to allow political disinformation on Facebook. Throughout this conversation, he seems uninterested in any new perspective on his institution or his grandiose plans (issuing his own currency, connecting the entire world on his terms and undermining current political institutions) to remake the world according to his rather narrow fields of interest. He seems to genuinely believe he knows how to dictate the terms under which the entire world should be run. He seems determined to forget that power and knowledge do not equate to wisdom. As for Harari, he seems to find that Zuckerberg's egoism is far more dangerous than he previously knew. This does not stem from a lack of awareness or preparation on Harari's part, but from Zuckerberg's inability to value any viewpoint that doesn't coincide with his own.
It’s enlightening to listen to this conversation from 5 yrs ago and see how it holds up now and what views have changed due to the subsequent events happening in the world.
As far as I understand, Mr. Hirari has 2 fears about AI technologies: 1. Increase of inequalities between countries: on this there is a parallel made between the European colonialism in the late 19th century and what Facebook, and overall the "AI community", may be at risk of doing virtually today. 2. Control or influence of population using AI technologies: overall what strikes here is the refusal of Mr. Zuckerberg to open up to the idea that Facebook itself maybe a testing ground, or worse than that, for large scale population control though AI technologies. The parallel between centralized Russia and Facebook is probably the scariest of Harari's insights. Even if we believe in the positive intend of Facebook to help connect people, create communities, or simply give small business owners easier access to people who would benefit from their products, I cannot help be concerned about the negative potential of FB in terms of influencing people life's by spreading to them a tuned sub-category of information. This debate is fascinating because Mr. Harari is asking whether Facebook should exist, while Mr. Zuckerberg is answering how to make it the best possible... :-) He is claiming that he designs FB to answer the long term fundamental needs of their customers, while Harari is saying that FB has the ability to manipulate these fundamental needs, of course including the needs about FB itself... It is fair to say that the world isn't only FB, but when you look at the way information is shared between FB, Google, Amazon,... there is a real concern that the guidance that is being provided in various forms has a real influence on people. Both fears are probably enabled by the fact that good feelings and good people can do the most terrible things...Indeed, the worst belief may be the blind belief in good, especially one's good, the good of one's country,... the power of the belief in good as means of gaining acceptance from people believing in good was illustrated perfectly in the movie "Vice" where the terrible deeds of the Bush administration are shown to have been designed from the onset on the grounds that since the President of the US is a force of good by definition, it is just not possible that he may be doing bad things. At least Dick Chenney knew he was just manipulating a country... This is also discussed here from another angle, which is the angle of data ownership (as the source of power of AI algorithms). Here also, Facebook sees itself as the good guys located in a good country. There is no answer to the insightful question from Harari about whether a Tump led US can still be trusted to be a force of the good when it states openly that his priority is himself (as a person, as a country). Good enough that the citizens of the world should trust it to store their confidential data. Openness and globalism is used here as a selling agent for the need to refuse the supposedly negative trend of fragmentation. While the underlying question about trust is evaded. Can we trust policies to be the right ones in the current context? Can we trust Facebook to follow policies. And even if they intend to, can we actually monitor whether they do? And the ultimate question... can we still trust ourselves when our views are being recommended to us by algorithms?
Your point is very interesting. As a 15 years old girl, I grew up with Internet. And I'm asking myself if Internet did of me the person I am now, and how much it will influence the person I will be ?
Great sum up, Zuck just kept wanting to stand on an optimistic stand bc I understand thats the attitude he needs to have as head of Facebook. wht Yuval wish to hear frm him as Yuval stated in his book is whether Zuck would be willing to reduce the use of Facebook, ofcourse still helping ppl best to connect, to let ppl go out and interact with each other, in addition change Facebook into a model not dependent on data collecting and protect ppl best as it can. Zuck cannot state Whether hes willing to sacrifice some of his company or even most of it when necessary for the good of the world. I dont know if he has any will or thinking of it but certainlt he can never say that as head of the company. But I think he somewhat gets Yuval's points, hopefully he will try to prevent malevolent outcomes
There was an episode of South Park were a tool was developed to catch internet Trolls. The side effect for that you can find anyone's entire internet (and comment) history if you just type his name in the search bar. The mayor or the chief of police (if I remember correctly) told the people of the town that they shouldn't be scared - if no one will type names into the system, all of them are safe. So they just need to trust that people are good and can resist that temptation. All of the people freaked out at that moment because they know people are shit. And everyone watching that episode knows that they are right to be scared. We cannot trust that the average person is good and so the technology will be used for good. If a powerful tool is used then bad people will use it. Mark is just running away from the questions because he can't handle them.
@@ili626 Well it's the practice done by the Buddha, the Dalai Lama, and Yuval, a dude way smarter than you or me, so maybe it has some benefits? Of course retreats are privileged experiences, but it's important to separate that from the practice, which can be done by anyone of any means.
@@ili626 Hope I can clear up some of your resentment towards Vipassana, and I'm sorry that Vipassana meditators have presented themselves in a bad way to you. First off, you portray meditators as privileged leeches living off the charity (and cookery!) of others. The reality is that the same people who sit the courses also volunteer to serve/cook on them. The food and board is paid for via donations from old students, too, because many feel such gratitude for the teaching. In fact, it's a real pleasure to "cook other people's meals for them", because it lets old students give back the peace and harmony they've gained from the teaching :) Thus, Vipassana's a community of giving and receiving freely and without demands: I don't really see what's objectionable about that! The privilege of having a week and two weekends off is, for many people, a result of either sacrificing holiday time or choosing a life path that involves less money and more time. Most people can find 7 workdays to take off at some point in their life, it's usually a question of sacrifice. Yes, there is something self-centred about devoting so much time to self-improvement, I agree. This is why so much of the course is about "Metta" generating compassionate love for others. Many meditators actually use the course to then leave it and go out into the world and do good things, just like our main man Mr Harari up here. Lastly, you seem to perceive meditators to treat their vow of silence with pride and false heroism. This confuses me. Noble silence is only one component of the course requirements. It's really not the core of the challenge, it's just the thing that for some reason shocks those who haven't sat before the most. Anyone who sits the courses will tell you that the challenge is to meditate for 10 hours a day, dissolve your ego as much as possible, resist your temptations, and generate compassion for all creatures. To quote the course, the challenge is to work diligently, ardently, patiently, and persistently. That is the only challenge, not the silence! I really encourage you to give it a try yourself, be open to the idea that it might lead to some harmony and goodwill you, and that that may have a net positive effect on the world around you :)
Ash Rosen thank you for such a good answer. You clearly represent what a Vipassana meditator is. May you be able to continue spreading compassion and good will towards all beings. May you be happy, be peaceful, be liberated :)
I have watched some of Yuval's talks and I noticed how he looks to every host he's talking with. We can say that he's a serious and smart on everything he's saying.
Nice discussion! It's great to see two who we would not expect to dialogue have a dialogue... I learned! More would be wonderful whenever it's right... thank you! 💯🙏
Mark is trying to convince himself that he’s doing something good for humanity. The truth is that his creation is a monstrosity who’s damage has only just began.
if MZ didnt invent facebook someone else would. MZ is not the devil incarnate but we are locked into his views and his decisions. The Truth is that the world is moving in a direction that can not be stopped its hard wired to us as a collective humanity. If we become slaves to a minority elite feeding us gruel it can not be stopped.
I don't even know if he's convinced. Mostly he is just repeating the company's logos. A really cringy thing to watch, he's trying to defend his own interests on his marketing strategy...
@@Czypu do you mean the same Facebook that tracks your data and sells it to advertising companies or the social media platform the least popular amongst younger genrations? Because Facebook is a multi billion company that does have a marketing strategy, not only directed for you to open an account but to keep you using its platform and services. Facebook main business is not providing you for a space to post embarrassing photos of yourself for free but matchmaking your profile with potential products and services that pay for that very specicific information. This is Facebook basic business model. None one is giving you entertainment for free. Because if you think Facebook main mission was to bring you closer to your friends and relatives you really need to ask yourself if you're not only just repeating the company most famous tagline: bringing people together.
LOL ! I am a nerd and want to be in front of the computer, so let's make everybody to feel like I do ... as I am not as smart as you are, let me only defend my social communities and pretend I made the world a better place.
You can’t solve a problem without knowing the values of people. It becomes problematic when a government is authoritarian rather than democratic. If you’re worried about AI knowing more about yourself than you do then that’s a problem with the individual/variable being too gullible/persuaded/ manipulated by emotions and popular culture. People need to go inward and find out what their values are. The solution is mathematical the problem is rap music and basketball tailgate “culture”. It’s not natural to North and South America but political IMO. Wash your fake weaves.
A radical idea: technology should actually improve people's emotional wellbeing, generally their life satisfaction (and it would be nice to give other animals some slack also). And it's development should be guided by those purposes. I find it pretty ridiculous that people in tech seem to be familiar with the terminator, matrix and other dystopian movies and yet instead of treating them as warnings they treat them as inspiration. What the hell? :)
I think everyone who wants to create their ideal heaven on earth will be hell for those who are different. and mark displays that when he considers extremism and collonialism to be different. What I understand by "extremism" is a small group that opposes power. while "colonialism" is oppression carried out by power against weak groups. it's very clear why mark thinks it's different and very concern to what he-so-called-extrimist While technology allows the creation of global totalitarianism (that has never existed in history) just to make sure their ideal heaven achieved. lets say since covid most of online platform remove and banned commnets, contents, & users that not go along with its guidelines. I think this will escalate to an unimaginable breaking point
it's difficult for Mark to think objectively, when he has been a megalomaniac for so long. Though I give him credit for taking the challenge and talking with Yuval publicly, have to wonder what the little voice in marks Amygdala is telling telling him when he is alone and contemplative. Lets face it, the human race is being excavated, uprooted and displaced, and nothing can stop it, but for man to go back in time which he will never choose to do. This is the calm before the storm, enjoy it while it lasts. Party like it's 2099. paulkempe.com nomadscoat.com
Lo sigo a usted porque me gusta practicar con usted mi aprendizaje en ingles, Follow you because,, i like practice with your canal my learn in english, thanks Yuval Noah Harari, Shalom, Shalom
@@lexforsaken1404 Conceptually I couldn’t agree more with you, the thing is that when you listen to the first 15 minutes, you’ve heard everything Mark has to say. In this interview at least, he’s not interested in reflecting on what the consequences can be of his company doing what they do, he remains repeating that he’s full of good intentions. What Yuval is trying to tell him is that this tech can (and most likely will) be used by people whose intentions and interests are very diverse, but Mark simply doesn’t want to hear it.
When Yuval talks about having to develop social mechanisms to deal with someone you don't like in your geographical community (like a neighbour) it suddenly becomes clear - the man who built the most eminent social network has no social skills. This is deeply profound.
Noah Harari, Thank you for speaking on such a larger scope then the topics that are presented. The depth, deep compassion and humble approach inspire me to expand my hunter gather brain. Thank you, your books and your work have and continue to help me maintain balance and perspectives. I continue to refer your books to friends and seekers who I feel will benefit as I have.
The camera is trying to make Zuckerberg the big man and Harari the small one , but Harari's intelligence and good argumentation is way more superior than the constant counterattacking method of Zuckerberg
Still, Harrari got a platform to give his opinion on Zuck's stance. Even if Fox did it without intimidation it would have been good. The reason Zuck let Harari interview him was that he wanted to get his own ideas out. And Harari was a good interviewer & allowed Zuck lots of space to get his opinion out. Without Harari i would have skipped this video. This is the first time I hear Zuck & I agree with your evaluation.
The essence of conversation: Yuval: "There is no free will, so clever people can manipulate you". Zuckerberg: "We need to add this button in Facebook".
@@YasuoMidOnly and shelter and a job... and social interaction... and therefore many choose the biggest platform on earth to stay connected... yeah you can leave any time you want but thats not the solution here. FB needs to be better or our whole communication system needs a revolution so that we don't need facebook.
(Paraphrasing Yuval): "Those who believe in free will are the easiest to manipulate because they actually identify with each thought and desire that pops into their heads and believe that their ideas are coming from within themselves." YES! That is so important to understand!
These two were having different conversations, that occasionally overlapped. Mark continually goes off on tangents over simplistically, that avoid the profound and realistic deep issues questioned. Yuval is a far superior thinker and listener.
I think that’s the trouble with Mark. As hard as he may try, he can’t truly hear. A gift and a curse. He wouldn’t be where he is if his brain were clattered with the opinions and concerns of others like the rest of ours. Humanity needs outliers, but we need to work together and out of a place of compassion.
Lol that's like saying lebron james is better at basketball than you. Duh yuval is very very talented at what he does. Or here is a better analogy. Mark is by far the superior programmer than yuval..so what? They are just having a conversation. Everyone has this image of mark and try their best to make him fit into it. You dont know the guy at all
Mr. Yuval listens to Mr. Zuckerberg very calmly and with character. Mr. Zuckerberg's words are a sign of the high intelligence that he has applied to the development of technology. It was an interesting conversation and is worthy of appreciation and thanks. I hope these conversations continue.
That pretty much summarizes this entire interview. Zuck did not understand most of what Harari said. It went straight over Zuck's head and/or he has deluded himself.
It’s doing it now, but only a member within- one who can vividly remember “life as a fish out of water”- could call it out. And what good does that do?
Mark is a pragmatic guy. He hears but gives concrete examples that he implements to counter the hypothesizes of Yuval. He's not the type to have theoretical conversations, it's not his nature.
Mark: young, u.s.american jewish entrepreneur with unstoppable mindset, straight impatient and always moving foreward like a 17 year old egocentric claiming to know it all, speaks more than he might know Yuval: young but mature thinker and historian, gay, doubting and questioning on much higher levels, seeing humans on a much deeper larger more holistic scale, patient, speaks less than he thinks, actually knows more
Does major houlihan sound that uncivilized, stupid and unaware? It's obvious she or he is intelligent and knows Harari's basic biographical details. Come off it. Vigilance is good, but your hypervigilance makes you look sketchy. You sound like a nice person, though. All the best. @@amz9191
Mark Zuckerberg now needs to sit down with Jaron Lanier and take Laniers criticism......... like an adult. Why are children with narcissistic personality disorders in control of everything ? Nooooooooo
Mark: Let's talk about nothing! Yuval: I'd rather talk about responsibility Mark: But in a broader perspective, I think nothing-ology is more important Yuval: Responsibility is always more important than the action that precedes it. Mark: As a practitioner of nothing-ology and leader of the largest nothing-ology company,I think it is much more important! Yuval: You're right! we can end here, I'm glad we had this conversation, thank you for the warm welcome. Goodbye!
I was expecting Zuck to be open minded about future of technology. But he looks very narrow minded and here he is just trying to prove himself right than listening to Yuval.
Why would he accept Harari's points if doing so would compromise his empire of billions of dollars? He might as well continue with his cognitive dissonance.
Yuval: “Can I trust the US?” Mark: “Uh, I think the question is... blá-blá-blá, connections, communities, values... (changes the topic, don’t answers the question)”
I noticed that too, but is it really for MZ to comment on that? He is not the US. Wouldn't it also have been weird (and kind of pointless), if he tried to defend the US against the accusations?
Only if one doesn't understand context. Not answering a question is its own kind of statement. It's your job as an intelligent observer to consider all of the possible reasons as to why.
Having read Harari's haunting writings on algorithms, social media, and big tech companies preying on people, I find the idea of Zuckerberg interviewing him hilarious
@M15 yes, after they take your biometrics and sell it to big pharma, and to every bussiness that wants them along with ur location and hackable body full of experimental poison vax .
Watched this twice, imo Zuckerberg did quite a good job in giving his views, especially considering that he's the CEO of a tech giant. An advice to become more objective and reducing our confirmation bias, is to read the comments only after we've watched the whole thing.
Judging his honesty or wether he hides somthing or not aside, he didn't do a good job in giving his views, his speech patterns and train of thought seems incoherent and is hard to follow on the first listen, as well as compared to Yuval he doesn't seem to really try to really engage with his conversational partner or ideas
One thing I have noticed about Mark Zuckerberg is that he needs to do some homework on how to become a good listener. He shouldn’t forget that his guests for discussion are masters in their fields, so it will be more wise to listen and grab as much information as possible from them rather than keep on talking and in the process missing gleaning valuable information from the invited guests.
I think he still needs some time to grow up. Gates was somewhat like Zuckerberg but as Gates grew up he started to show signs of maturity and now present Gates thinks 100 times before he speaks. Perhaps we need to give Zuckerberg time to mature. He is still a young man but a multi-billionaire. Well, with money one cannot compensate age related maturity features.
In the few short years since this interview, online and physical “realities” have moved exponentially to into a cybernetic blur where it’s not about humans’ participating in communities, but rather, it’s now about software robots participating and influencing human minds to create new cultures of fear and anger in order to fuel and accelerate destructive behaviors.
We urgently need brave barbarians like in the movies to exterminate this kind of psychopathic narcissistic soul-less robot fuckers. They hate what they lack. Love, spirit, complete ness of life.
I've listened to this conversation, and listened to two other videos with Harari in them yesterday. One thing I did seem to understand, especially after today's video, is that neither of these people want to give credit to a higher power, God. Both are Jewish, and The Tanakh, which is also the Christian's first ten books of the bible, is there to learn. Of course, Christians go one to read the rest of the book. It amazes me that these two brilliant men are not using their wisdom, given to them from the Almighty God (remember all wisdom comes from God,) to give Him the credit for what they have gained, or to use it for His glory, which is what the Bible requires. They may see my view differently, but in what they are discussing, someone is going to be left out, though they try to act like they don't really want to leave anyone out. That isn't the way the Bible even works. A person is suppose to have a personal relationship with the Lord, who in turn blesses them, and they gain from that. If we fail to spread the message of God and His Truth, what do we gain in the next world? It is as if you won't have a place in the next world if we rely on these teachings. The Bible does state that all history repeats itself; that there is nothing new under the sun. American will follow your advice because we are being led at this time by atheistic people, and the Lord is going to abandon us as a nation. Of course, those who believe and follow His commandments will be just fine, either this side of heaven or the other side. That is the biggest picture these guys are missing out on.
I really hope that Yuvals thoughts will inspire the tech giants to rethink their role from mere data brokers for profit, to platforms that can truly empower people and bring us true freedom and democracy. At the moment their role is self serving. The services they provide might seem "free" but they come at a hefty cost. The A.I. they are developing needs to be used in accordance with values like compassion and freedom for all and not just for an world elite
Me too! Especially after watching his talk at Stanford with Fei Fei Li. This conversation with Zuckerberg is not the worst. I need to learn more about his meditation method.
@@palomaperezrojas I know he does and I want to know the type of meditation. He mentions it on his website but it seems like all the classes of this style need fees. :(
Eh, it takes 4 years for them to delete your account completely but its a start lol Just make sure you don't log back in or that 4 year clock starts again... make sure you deleted and didn't just deactivate. I'm 6 years free from Facebook and the suckerburgers!
Unfortunately, like with much of modern media interviews, rather than engaging and responding to Harari's comments, Zuckerberg simply diverts the conversation to something he is comfortable speaking about.
That is the way I felt the whole interview. Thank you for saying that. Obviously some people believe that with money comes wisdom and the ability to speak, especially on subjects they should not be....Mark needs to be listening......really listening not selective listening.
Mark invited Yuval to talk. Then Mark tried to find approval for facebook. Mark didn't find approval. Mark sad. Don't be like Mark, be like Yuval.
Nice 😂😂 but You can't be Yuval. Yuval have unique personality which is shaped by his culture, actions and thoughts. As he say in his books, We can only be influenced by Yuval and try to copy his patterns. We better be our own observer of world and patterns and enjoy the story told by our mind. 😅
hahaha
@V Nimec Priceless! One of the best TH-cam comments that I have read in years. 🌻
No, Mark is not sad. On the contrary, Yuval confirms he can and/or will be the most powerful man in the next 10 years.
OMG LOL
Zuck may not be a robot, but his barber certainly is.
Ultra hilarious haha
I imagine Zuck with earning in one ear. Would improve his image.
Haha! Spot on!
Hahahahahahaha
Wigger looking like data from Star Trek TNG
I want Yuval to interview Elon Musk. Please make it happen.
That would be brilliant. +1
That would be Awesome!
Yes!
That would be as interesting as Joe Rogan interview w/Elon.
that would be great +1
Yuval's face when Mark is giving history lessons 😂😂
ho hoho🤣🤣
ha.... ha...
Mark is getting more advanced with each new iteration.
lolol superb
Mark is yet to pass the Turing test
lmfao
lolol.
This comment is the more advanced iteration of what I wanted to say. :D
Harari asks the one key question that Zuckerberg avoids answering: "Are we trying to connect people so ultimately they will leave the screens and go and play football or pick up garbage or are we trying to keep them as long as possible on the screens?"
not the key question but one of them but, of course, none of them was answered properly, rather an attempt to justify FB's policy
I think I can answer that:
It's not meant to obtain Zuckerberg's answer. It was meant to get Zuckerberg ask himself that very same question later.
How do you spawn a change within someone? You do not "tell them to change".
Rather than that, you get them to think the subject through and through.
We all know the answer to this 😂
@@mannyzagri7451 - That is logical and true if built on the premise that Zuckerberg was actually in charge.
@@mannyzagri7451 Don't you think It would be good to ask dirrectly if he thinks that taking our voices and thougts to be sold without declare.it in the therms of use is fare? Sorry for my bad english (I am brasilian).
Mark: „It’s important to make people feel good about themselves“
Yuval: „People that feel good about themselves have done some of the most terrible things in human history“
bingo
That's a good one
😲😂
good point
Drop the 🎤
Mark is bit more optimistic about the newer technology while Yuval is bit apprehensive about the same. Both have their own perspectives. Who knows what would happen in future. I am glad to see two contrasting views being discussed in a single frame in an educative manner !
"People that feel good about themselves have done some of the most terrible things in human history." -Yuval Noah Harari
which says nothing. the tendency of positive self-images of the people is nothing new.
"It's interesting to mention my name in a random quote and take the emphasis out of context"
-Yuval Noah Harari
I would argue that that's not actually true. The terrible people might have seemed from the outside to feel good about themselves and they had giant egos. But deep inside all of the most horrible people were deeply deeply troubled and messed up. No happy and fulfilled human being wants to harm others. It's only the people in pain who want to bring pain to others.
@@ThinkHuman "No happy and fulfilled human being wants to harm others"
are you sure?
first of all: happiness is no constant condition. second: many rich and somehow satisfied people exactly want this; harm other people. why? because "their success", what ever its made of, often makes them think to be something better than others. one possibility. the other causes are for example crazy wishes for consumption, that always go on. its multicausal of course, just as the influence on happiness is multicausal and never static.
i could go on forever with this. i just think, you are wrong with this statement.
Did Hitler feel this way, in order to fulfill his desire, in order to attempt destroy a Nation?
Yuval looking deep into him at the start to see if he has a soul 😂
😂. You killed me
@@gatedfoodsuburb You felt that to brother 😂👍
Lol
But he sold that too😂😂
Tamsin Rodgers - Taylor haha...
I salute Yuval for listening to Mark patiently, I'm really finding it hard :-)
Jewish r very patient people generally speaking. After all the shit they gone through history & finally the Holocaust, they got such a small country that everyone wants to take it from them & they still try to explain patiently the need for a Jewish state.
@@roygertel How being Jewish have anything to do with his patient? :-) and Israel? you made me laugh.
@@barbe1550 Oh maybe I took it too much far indeed
@@roygertel yeah that comment made you look ridiculous
@@korruptnovellst4751 Why I don't have a sense of humor...
Mark. As a new podcaster I have learned to listen more than I speak. You had a long speech, changed the subject and had a long speech on that.
Times that Harari starts speaking : *Zuck free* (you're welcome, thank me later)
1:08 2:06 8:07 10:57 15:40 21:38 28:22 31:29 36:59 41:32 43:09 48:42 51:16 53:25 1:01:33 1:06:33 1:13:36 1:18:05 1:25:16 1:33:04
Legend
Around minute 7, I thought of reading the comments. It’s not always that you come across a helpful and generous people. Thank you for your time for saving mine!
I do feel like I'm developing a disgust and reviling toward Zuck, and I hoped listening to him in conversation with Yuval would soften this.
doing god's work :D
Thank you😀
Yuval Harari, you are an amazing compassionate human being, thank you. Mark, please consider the wisdom and intelligence that Yuval is so generously presenting to you, for the sake of humanity and the natural world.
Yuval: You can unfriend your facebook friends, but you can't un-neighbor your neighbors...
Mark: Yeah
Haha. I get the point since I've read about plight of his neighbor
There is enough space in the desert. Live your free life there if you want
Yes you can. Ed Sheeran did it. Bought his neighbours houses so that he can live in peace. If you have as much money as Mark, you can doing anything you want.
Thats said by mk gandhi
@@skyglidestudios3443 are you serious? ed sheeran did that?? lol
Mark somehow consistently manages to keep the conversation flat and on the surface level.
+ Instant answers without thinking pauses
+ Delaying the exciting topics for later (never managed to get back to)
+ Monologes over average developments, repetitive about how he is advocating for connection
+ Defensive arguments for potentially backhanded accusations - 100% awareness
+ 50% filler words
Mark: Economy economy economy. Business, entrepreneurs, economy!
Yuval: Yes, but a stronger economy in our current model doesn't actually solve the essential problems of human suffering.
Mark: I totally agree, but there's a deeper question here. And business, economy, coding, economy, economy, production!
The shareholder and the intellectual.
These two have been thrusts unto humanity as some greats which they are not, just an illusion of one. No one really cares about either one as they are corrupt!
On a point
And dude runs a “social media”😂
Not once have words like love, compassion, beauty, sensitivity etc.have 34:45 come up here😅
Too skeptical imo
Wow, Mark Zuckerberg did a great job of interviewing Mark Zuckerberg.
really?
Interview is always two sided, but in this conversation, Markz didn't give change to hararri to speack
Your comment is funny, but it's true.
this comment should be pinned at the top!
Has obviously part of this new religion anti Christ garbage. If you can't see it you just don't know where to look. These guys you can see coming 10 miles away, so transparent. It's all deception
This felt like Mark doing PR/Marketing. Great job Yuval for keeping him on point.
Such an important conversation ! It’s a critical time to wake up and to harmonize and not only to connect
I listen to the video when yuval talks and read the comments when mark talks
@@ili626 no unfortunately i listened to the whole thing. Of both people talking.
😂 🤣 😂
I don't think Mark knows how to listen. He's been on this ride for so long he believes he's the "king of the world." Yawnnnnn.
😂😂
Zuckerberg made up a word, 15.15 - "Depthness".
I shuddered.
Remembers Yuval is speaking in a second language and Mark in his first.
Thankyou for noticing this.
I don't know why but I feel that people who speak in their second language often take more time to consider what they are saying. A large part of it does have to do with his intelligence though
@@theflaca Most people in the US just expect fluency in English, which is why it seems so mundane, but with greater consideration, the level of intellectual achievement of language competency Yuval has is incredible!
@@mik2420 I aggree.
@@mik2420 👍
Yuval is such a beautiful mind!
Wow, this interview was 5 years ago. Today is more of a reality....Yuval got it right.
Here’s the big issue: Mark only listens to himself and seems unable to respond to the issues being raised. He dominates the conversation without really saying anything
I think he is constantly saying "I have all the answers". Scary.
Seems like he's on the spectrum.
@@karaa7595 Obviously. But most of us on the spectrum realize that seeing the world differently and having really high IQs doesn't mean we have nothing to learn.
i know! he talks too much and meanders for absolutely zero reason
So did David Fincher actually portrayed the true arrogant asshole in him?
The intellectual difference here is astounding
I bet both are in the top 1% of intelligence.
Stefano Bregante, one is, the other one just got lucky!
I had my mouth dropped when MZ applied that “people who didn’t adjust to online communities” are lost!? Good that he understands that virtual “friends” are not only the same- it’s totally different. Mostly because he is not present there
MZ's only genuine concern is the well-being of his golem. He knows what's wrong but he cannot FEEL it. He is a B+ bulls*&^%er
zuckerbergs iniative here comes from lack of experience historically speaking and his are views of his younger generation ..goals very greatly here.....great sell for facebook......
Zuckerberg never shifts his perspective, or even admits that perhaps he should. I find this scary. He is speaking with a brilliant expert in history and humanity, yet never listens to learn: he listens only well enough to argue his own premise.
Zuckerberg believes that people who are impoverished and marginalized by the AI revolution can simply make different political choices, even as he fights to allow political disinformation on Facebook. Throughout this conversation, he seems uninterested in any new perspective on his institution or his grandiose plans (issuing his own currency, connecting the entire world on his terms and undermining current political institutions) to remake the world according to his rather narrow fields of interest. He seems to genuinely believe he knows how to dictate the terms under which the entire world should be run. He seems determined to forget that power and knowledge do not equate to wisdom.
As for Harari, he seems to find that Zuckerberg's egoism is far more dangerous than he previously knew. This does not stem from a lack of awareness or preparation on Harari's part, but from Zuckerberg's inability to value any viewpoint that doesn't coincide with his own.
@Joan Zito My point exactly. We are listening to two brilliant minds speaking, yet only Harari is willing to listen.
I fundamentally like you as a human being, good luck ❤
wow, excellent perspective!
It’s enlightening to listen to this conversation from 5 yrs ago and see how it holds up now and what views have changed due to the subsequent events happening in the world.
As far as I understand, Mr. Hirari has 2 fears about AI technologies:
1. Increase of inequalities between countries: on this there is a parallel made between the European colonialism in the late 19th century and what Facebook, and overall the "AI community", may be at risk of doing virtually today.
2. Control or influence of population using AI technologies: overall what strikes here is the refusal of Mr. Zuckerberg to open up to the idea that Facebook itself maybe a testing ground, or worse than that, for large scale population control though AI technologies. The parallel between centralized Russia and Facebook is probably the scariest of Harari's insights. Even if we believe in the positive intend of Facebook to help connect people, create communities, or simply give small business owners easier access to people who would benefit from their products, I cannot help be concerned about the negative potential of FB in terms of influencing people life's by spreading to them a tuned sub-category of information.
This debate is fascinating because Mr. Harari is asking whether Facebook should exist, while Mr. Zuckerberg is answering how to make it the best possible... :-) He is claiming that he designs FB to answer the long term fundamental needs of their customers, while Harari is saying that FB has the ability to manipulate these fundamental needs, of course including the needs about FB itself... It is fair to say that the world isn't only FB, but when you look at the way information is shared between FB, Google, Amazon,... there is a real concern that the guidance that is being provided in various forms has a real influence on people.
Both fears are probably enabled by the fact that good feelings and good people can do the most terrible things...Indeed, the worst belief may be the blind belief in good, especially one's good, the good of one's country,... the power of the belief in good as means of gaining acceptance from people believing in good was illustrated perfectly in the movie "Vice" where the terrible deeds of the Bush administration are shown to have been designed from the onset on the grounds that since the President of the US is a force of good by definition, it is just not possible that he may be doing bad things. At least Dick Chenney knew he was just manipulating a country...
This is also discussed here from another angle, which is the angle of data ownership (as the source of power of AI algorithms). Here also, Facebook sees itself as the good guys located in a good country. There is no answer to the insightful question from Harari about whether a Tump led US can still be trusted to be a force of the good when it states openly that his priority is himself (as a person, as a country). Good enough that the citizens of the world should trust it to store their confidential data. Openness and globalism is used here as a selling agent for the need to refuse the supposedly negative trend of fragmentation. While the underlying question about trust is evaded. Can we trust policies to be the right ones in the current context? Can we trust Facebook to follow policies. And even if they intend to, can we actually monitor whether they do? And the ultimate question... can we still trust ourselves when our views are being recommended to us by algorithms?
Your point is very interesting. As a 15 years old girl, I grew up with Internet. And I'm asking myself if Internet did of me the person I am now, and how much it will influence the person I will be ?
Good job breaking this down to the key insights and questions. Do you do movie reviews also? :)
@@chewyjello1 thanks, I wish I had the time! :-)
Great sum up, Zuck just kept wanting to stand on an optimistic stand bc I understand thats the attitude he needs to have as head of Facebook. wht Yuval wish to hear frm him as Yuval stated in his book is whether Zuck would be willing to reduce the use of Facebook, ofcourse still helping ppl best to connect, to let ppl go out and interact with each other, in addition change Facebook into a model not dependent on data collecting and protect ppl best as it can. Zuck cannot state Whether hes willing to sacrifice some of his company or even most of it when necessary for the good of the world. I dont know if he has any will or thinking of it but certainlt he can never say that as head of the company. But I think he somewhat gets Yuval's points, hopefully he will try to prevent malevolent outcomes
There was an episode of South Park were a tool was developed to catch internet Trolls.
The side effect for that you can find anyone's entire internet (and comment) history if you just type his name in the search bar.
The mayor or the chief of police (if I remember correctly) told the people of the town that they shouldn't be scared - if no one will type names into the system, all of them are safe.
So they just need to trust that people are good and can resist that temptation.
All of the people freaked out at that moment because they know people are shit.
And everyone watching that episode knows that they are right to be scared.
We cannot trust that the average person is good and so the technology will be used for good. If a powerful tool is used then bad people will use it.
Mark is just running away from the questions because he can't handle them.
Fortunately Yuval has years of Vipassana meditation behind him to help facing egomaniacs like zukenberg.
@@ili626 Well it's the practice done by the Buddha, the Dalai Lama, and Yuval, a dude way smarter than you or me, so maybe it has some benefits? Of course retreats are privileged experiences, but it's important to separate that from the practice, which can be done by anyone of any means.
@@ili626 Hope I can clear up some of your resentment towards Vipassana, and I'm sorry that Vipassana meditators have presented themselves in a bad way to you.
First off, you portray meditators as privileged leeches living off the charity (and cookery!) of others. The reality is that the same people who sit the courses also volunteer to serve/cook on them. The food and board is paid for via donations from old students, too, because many feel such gratitude for the teaching. In fact, it's a real pleasure to "cook other people's meals for them", because it lets old students give back the peace and harmony they've gained from the teaching :) Thus, Vipassana's a community of giving and receiving freely and without demands: I don't really see what's objectionable about that!
The privilege of having a week and two weekends off is, for many people, a result of either sacrificing holiday time or choosing a life path that involves less money and more time. Most people can find 7 workdays to take off at some point in their life, it's usually a question of sacrifice. Yes, there is something self-centred about devoting so much time to self-improvement, I agree. This is why so much of the course is about "Metta" generating compassionate love for others. Many meditators actually use the course to then leave it and go out into the world and do good things, just like our main man Mr Harari up here.
Lastly, you seem to perceive meditators to treat their vow of silence with pride and false heroism. This confuses me. Noble silence is only one component of the course requirements. It's really not the core of the challenge, it's just the thing that for some reason shocks those who haven't sat before the most. Anyone who sits the courses will tell you that the challenge is to meditate for 10 hours a day, dissolve your ego as much as possible, resist your temptations, and generate compassion for all creatures. To quote the course, the challenge is to work diligently, ardently, patiently, and persistently. That is the only challenge, not the silence! I really encourage you to give it a try yourself, be open to the idea that it might lead to some harmony and goodwill you, and that that may have a net positive effect on the world around you :)
@@ili626 no problem, glad to help. Give it a go if you're interested check out dhamma.org :)
@@henry050607 sadhu sadhu sadhu
Ash Rosen thank you for such a good answer. You clearly represent what a Vipassana meditator is.
May you be able to continue spreading compassion and good will towards all beings.
May you be happy, be peaceful, be liberated :)
the way yuval looks at mark is hilarious
He looks ready to kill him 😂
Hahahahahahaha
He killed him from the very beginning.
I have watched some of Yuval's talks and I noticed how he looks to every host he's talking with. We can say that he's a serious and smart on everything he's saying.
the disdain is fuming off him lmao
Nice discussion! It's great to see two who we would not expect to dialogue have a dialogue... I learned! More would be wonderful whenever it's right... thank you! 💯🙏
Mark is trying to convince himself that he’s doing something good for humanity. The truth is that his creation is a monstrosity who’s damage has only just began.
if MZ didnt invent facebook someone else would. MZ is not the devil incarnate but we are locked into his views and his decisions. The Truth is that the world is moving in a direction that can not be stopped its hard wired to us as a collective humanity. If we become slaves to a minority elite feeding us gruel it can not be stopped.
Johhny England Good point.
I don't even know if he's convinced. Mostly he is just repeating the company's logos. A really cringy thing to watch, he's trying to defend his own interests on his marketing strategy...
@@xtxpxhx marketing strategy? Defending what? Do u think facebook needs help to spread its product?
@@Czypu do you mean the same Facebook that tracks your data and sells it to advertising companies or the social media platform the least popular amongst younger genrations? Because Facebook is a multi billion company that does have a marketing strategy, not only directed for you to open an account but to keep you using its platform and services. Facebook main business is not providing you for a space to post embarrassing photos of yourself for free but matchmaking your profile with potential products and services that pay for that very specicific information. This is Facebook basic business model. None one is giving you entertainment for free. Because if you think Facebook main mission was to bring you closer to your friends and relatives you really need to ask yourself if you're not only just repeating the company most famous tagline: bringing people together.
Yuval: "We have global problems that need solving."
Mark: "I am passionate about online communities."
lol
LOL ! I am a nerd and want to be in front of the computer, so let's make everybody to feel like I do ... as I am not as smart as you are, let me only defend my social communities and pretend I made the world a better place.
Yuval...global problems....Mark...but I played little league!
You can’t solve a problem without knowing the values of people. It becomes problematic when a government is authoritarian rather than democratic. If you’re worried about AI knowing more about yourself than you do then that’s a problem with the individual/variable being too gullible/persuaded/ manipulated by emotions and popular culture. People need to go inward and find out what their values are. The solution is mathematical the problem is rap music and basketball tailgate “culture”. It’s not natural to North and South America but political IMO. Wash your fake weaves.
The world is with idiots like the trio Zuckshit, Trump and Jared K. Too bad a genius like Dr. Harari wastes time with this crap.
Most of the time zuckerbot is interviewing himself without noticing it.
Exactly
totally... and completly non-coherent
Lol it has not yet realized the difference between I and you
I thought the same thing! It’s making this youtube video probably the only (and the most) annoying and frustrating of all Yuval’s publications
Ya someone should time who spoke for how long. Hilarious and such a great example of lack of self awareness .
A radical idea: technology should actually improve people's emotional wellbeing, generally their life satisfaction (and it would be nice to give other animals some slack also). And it's development should be guided by those purposes. I find it pretty ridiculous that people in tech seem to be familiar with the terminator, matrix and other dystopian movies and yet instead of treating them as warnings they treat them as inspiration. What the hell? :)
You will have no effect on anything during your stupid life. Just remember that.
I think everyone who wants to create their ideal heaven on earth will be hell for those who are different.
and mark displays that when he considers extremism and collonialism to be different. What I understand by "extremism" is a small group that opposes power. while "colonialism" is oppression carried out by power against weak groups. it's very clear why mark thinks it's different and very concern to what he-so-called-extrimist
While technology allows the creation of global totalitarianism (that has never existed in history) just to make sure their ideal heaven achieved. lets say since covid most of online platform remove and banned commnets, contents, & users that not go along with its guidelines. I think this will escalate to an unimaginable breaking point
Hysterical MZ’ monologue!
I praise YH’s wise patience.
Moneymaker versus Intellectual. Egoism versus Idealism.
Non sense. All of us are egoist. The only difference is that some do virtual signaling from their own fears while history is made outside.
It hurts to see how little Zuckerberg hears (or is willing to hear) what Harari is saying
it's difficult for Mark to think objectively, when he has been a megalomaniac for so long. Though I give him credit for taking the challenge and talking with Yuval publicly, have to wonder what the little voice in marks Amygdala is telling telling him when he is alone and contemplative. Lets face it, the human race is being excavated, uprooted and displaced, and nothing can stop it, but for man to go back in time which he will never choose to do. This is the calm before the storm, enjoy it while it lasts. Party like it's 2099. paulkempe.com nomadscoat.com
Mark seem egoist about what he achieved by luck
Moving between different groups of people with diverse backgrounds, you realize it can be difficult to understand why someone acts the way they do.
Little Zuckerberg?loooll. Do you have any idea what little Zuckerberg accomplished that your hundreds of years ancestors could not?
He's just a bad interviewer
Lo sigo a usted porque me gusta practicar con usted mi aprendizaje en ingles, Follow you because,, i like practice with your canal my learn in english, thanks Yuval Noah Harari, Shalom, Shalom
checking emails when Mark talking, switching back to youtube when Yuval talking
Same bro same😂
I use mute button
congratz, thats how you activly exclude opposing facts and views :D
I bet you got to 0 emails in your inbox, this guy will not shut up
@@lexforsaken1404 Conceptually I couldn’t agree more with you, the thing is that when you listen to the first 15 minutes, you’ve heard everything Mark has to say. In this interview at least, he’s not interested in reflecting on what the consequences can be of his company doing what they do, he remains repeating that he’s full of good intentions. What Yuval is trying to tell him is that this tech can (and most likely will) be used by people whose intentions and interests are very diverse, but Mark simply doesn’t want to hear it.
When Yuval talks about having to develop social mechanisms to deal with someone you don't like in your geographical community (like a neighbour) it suddenly becomes clear - the man who built the most eminent social network has no social skills. This is deeply profound.
Yeah its absolutely clear. Its perhaps one of the biggest ironies of our time
Hi 🤤
Oh wow…
Enserio? Zuck un antisocial?
Why Yuval doesn’t advise Israeli govt. to hold meaningful talks with Palestinians and bring a lasting friendship.
Yuval Noah Harare administers the Turin test.
hahaha
Ahaaahhahaha
:)
Do you mean the Turing Test or are you referring in some way to the shroud of Turin? Is it a joke?
The Turing test, developed by Alan Turing in 1950, is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior
A wonderful podcast - logical and realistic! Thanks a bunch all the way from Nepal.
It’s absolutely annoying listening to Mark lingering on meaningless egocentric questions and skipping the topics that matter from Yuval.
Felt the same
This was made before he got the latest update! His new patch is way more realistic and he listens to people with more attention
Noah Harari, Thank you for speaking on such a larger scope then the topics that are presented. The depth, deep compassion and humble approach inspire me to expand my hunter gather brain. Thank you, your books and your work have and continue to help me maintain balance and perspectives. I continue to refer your books to friends and seekers who I feel will benefit as I have.
Can’t listen to zuckerberg Mr Harari I salute your patience.
When Zuckerberg talks I hear "Blah, blah, blah...."
When Yuval speaks *heart melts*
My thoughts exactly. How did he sit through this ....
Really
Mr Yuval, you nailed it once again. Your position and view is cristal clear
sounded like a debate between Yuval's concerns and Mark's defenses.
indeed!!
The camera is trying to make Zuckerberg the big man and Harari the small one , but Harari's intelligence and good argumentation is way more superior than the constant counterattacking method of Zuckerberg
So true
Yea I get that
Still, Harrari got a platform to give his opinion on Zuck's stance. Even if Fox did it without intimidation it would have been good.
The reason Zuck let Harari interview him was that he wanted to get his own ideas out. And Harari was a good interviewer & allowed Zuck lots of space to get his opinion out. Without Harari i would have skipped this video. This is the first time I hear Zuck & I agree with your evaluation.
The essence of conversation:
Yuval: "There is no free will, so clever people can manipulate you".
Zuckerberg: "We need to add this button in Facebook".
Yes
There is free will. We are just freely choosing to get manipulated by facebook. You don’t have to use it. All you need is water and bread.
@@YasuoMidOnly and shelter and a job... and social interaction... and therefore many choose the biggest platform on earth to stay connected... yeah you can leave any time you want but thats not the solution here. FB needs to be better or our whole communication system needs a revolution so that we don't need facebook.
I really enjoyed this conversation. Stimulating💥
(Paraphrasing Yuval): "Those who believe in free will are the easiest to manipulate because they actually identify with each thought and desire that pops into their heads and believe that their ideas are coming from within themselves." YES! That is so important to understand!
Zuckerberg: we need to give people more options
LOL
Workin on it everyday
And also those who believe in free will are the hardest ones to manipulate too ...
@@EhsanTaheri77 can you elaborate?
What minute was this said at?
Stop changing those camera angles so fast man! This is a conversation, not an action movie.
hahahahh
I can't unsee it now.. And every shot is in constant motion! XD
Whooooaaaaa.... yes.... how annoying especially after watching so many talks/presentations with one camera alla 1980s
And the camera hovering there continuously. Once you notice it you can't unsee it.
Love how Yuval is staring at him at the beginning and shouting in his head like: "I CANNOT TELL IF THIS ONE IS A REAL HUMAN OR NOT."
I read that in Harari's accent.
Same feeling
Sapien*
Exactly! that's the first thing I noticed too :D
Yea, I literally thought the same 😂🤣😂🤣
Perfectly unmatched people.
I am sure they won't be making another podcast together 😅
Homo Egoist vs. Homo Sapien
Nooo Homo Egoist vs Homo Deus
😁
Yuval's intellect deserves to go viral. Thanks Mark or inviting him!
These two were having different conversations, that occasionally overlapped. Mark continually goes off on tangents over simplistically, that avoid the profound and realistic deep issues questioned.
Yuval is a far superior thinker and listener.
Yuval is in a different league from Mark. He has thought of the far reaching consequences of AI.
I think that’s the trouble with Mark. As hard as he may try, he can’t truly hear. A gift and a curse. He wouldn’t be where he is if his brain were clattered with the opinions and concerns of others like the rest of ours. Humanity needs outliers, but we need to work together and out of a place of compassion.
Lol that's like saying lebron james is better at basketball than you. Duh yuval is very very talented at what he does.
Or here is a better analogy. Mark is by far the superior programmer than yuval..so what? They are just having a conversation. Everyone has this image of mark and try their best to make him fit into it. You dont know the guy at all
One is one of the greatest social and anthropological thinkers of our time. The other created a website to check out chicks.
Cos Mark is about Wealth n Power n rubbing shoulders with the top 1% evils...whereas Yuval is about love n Compassion ..case closed .
Mr. Yuval listens to Mr. Zuckerberg very calmly and with character. Mr. Zuckerberg's words are a sign of the high intelligence that he has applied to the development of technology. It was an interesting conversation and is worthy of appreciation and thanks. I hope these conversations continue.
Harari: I'm worried AI is going to kill humanity.
Zuck: I don't want to play baseball.
lol dead on
That pretty much summarizes this entire interview. Zuck did not understand most of what Harari said. It went straight over Zuck's head and/or he has deluded himself.
It’s doing it now, but only a member within- one who can vividly remember “life as a fish out of water”- could call it out. And what good does that do?
Numbers and the ability to outrun another didn’t help the other sentient beings of this planet. We are enslaved and we probably can’t even see it.
Every frustration I had with this interview summer up❤️
Yuval touching on profound issues while Zuck is trying to sell Facebook... Yuval's way that he looks at him is priceless
Absolutely, there is fear and contempt in his sight, and most likely there are reasons for it.
LOL yup
Right
He upped the tempo too. I caught that. It’s really sad.. “I don’t know who discovered water, but certainly wasn’t the fish.”
A young white man who grew up comfortably with all of his needs met would never understand the pain and suffering that our man is trying to warn of.
Mark talks and talks but not lislen or does not want to listen. What Yuval says does not suit his interests. And shows how much Yuval is right.
Mark is a pragmatic guy. He hears but gives concrete examples that he implements to counter the hypothesizes of Yuval. He's not the type to have theoretical conversations, it's not his nature.
I am loving the comments and happy that Yuval work is working 😊😅
I was hoping to hear more of Harari !🤔
Really harrai is more intelligent in future
Yeah Mark is a real dick
read his book then.
I actually enjoyed that it was more like a debate. There's plenty of videos where you can hear Yuval's message alone.
Zuck: **blabbering**
Harari: **I have done 60-day Vipassana course, I know how to handle boredom**
A post Buddhist Hindko Muslim agrees.
😄😄🙂👏👏
Mark: young, u.s.american jewish entrepreneur with unstoppable mindset, straight impatient and always moving foreward like a 17 year old egocentric claiming to know it all, speaks more than he might know
Yuval: young but mature thinker and historian, gay, doubting and questioning on much higher levels, seeing humans on a much deeper larger more holistic scale, patient, speaks less than he thinks, actually knows more
Why would i ever do that?? It just seems so obvious that yuval is jewish-the name says it all. I also prefer to say less and know more
@@majorhoulihan8448 true but still you emphasized mark jewish ethnicity...
What is so important about Marc being jewish? I mean Yuval is jewish too
@@majorhoulihan8448 couldn't be more true
Does major houlihan sound that uncivilized, stupid and unaware? It's obvious she or he is intelligent and knows Harari's basic biographical details. Come off it. Vigilance is good, but your hypervigilance makes you look sketchy. You sound like a nice person, though. All the best. @@amz9191
Yuval speaks about people
Mark speaks about users
He's like the Master control program. lol.
The Zuckerberg trojan horse encounters the Harari firewall.
Zing!
Insert _Windows Error Sound_ 🔔
Mark Zuckerberg now needs to sit down with Jaron Lanier and take Laniers criticism......... like an adult. Why are children with narcissistic personality disorders in control of everything ? Nooooooooo
HAHAHAHAHA EPIC
Lulz
Mark: Let's talk about nothing!
Yuval: I'd rather talk about responsibility
Mark: But in a broader perspective, I think nothing-ology is more important
Yuval: Responsibility is always more important than the action that precedes it.
Mark: As a practitioner of nothing-ology and leader of the largest
nothing-ology company,I think it is much more important!
Yuval: You're right! we can end here, I'm glad we had this conversation,
thank you for the warm welcome. Goodbye!
As a billionaire of a social network, you can't help but praise her, it was she who took you to the top.
thanks for the summary!
bravo.. send the script to Zucj and actually save his words... i mean his garbage..
Remus
Excellent summary bro....
I laughed for 3 min on your commentary 🥰🥰🥰
I love how Yuval -in a very Zen way- is not buying Zuck's BS.
Great interview. Mark made a lot of great points in this interview. Not sure if I’m into globalism yet…but we’re well on our way.
I was expecting Zuck to be open minded about future of technology. But he looks very narrow minded and here he is just trying to prove himself right than listening to Yuval.
I suppose he just doesn't want to say that he has no idea how to deal these problems, so he has to beat around the bush
@@nykmyn he just does not want to offend his CHIA masters lol
Completely agreed. I don't know what his point! Seems neither he knows.
He is good at avoiding the actual topic.
Why would he accept Harari's points if doing so would compromise his empire of billions of dollars? He might as well continue with his cognitive dissonance.
Yuval: “Can I trust the US?”
Mark: “Uh, I think the question is... blá-blá-blá, connections, communities, values... (changes the topic, don’t answers the question)”
I noticed that too, but is it really for MZ to comment on that? He is not the US. Wouldn't it also have been weird (and kind of pointless), if he tried to defend the US against the accusations?
Only if one doesn't understand context. Not answering a question is its own kind of statement. It's your job as an intelligent observer to consider all of the possible reasons as to why.
The ultimate example of "you can't make a man see, if his livelihood depends on not seeing".
@Invesigator 2 hear hear
Thank you! FLOWS🌊☀️✨
21:50 Yuval clearly never lost a debate ! I am in awe of how brilliant this man is !
I would love to see a conversation between Richard Dawkins and Yuval.
Having read Harari's haunting writings on algorithms, social media, and big tech companies preying on people, I find the idea of Zuckerberg interviewing him hilarious
Yes, lol. They are trying to outgoings each other.
Hărăzit este susținătorul internetului cu Zuckerberg ...Ăștia 2 când vb inconstient de fapt va hipnktizeaza sa credeți în ei.
How can we profit from this ?
@M15 yes, after they take your biometrics and sell it to big pharma, and to every bussiness that wants them along with ur location and hackable body full of experimental poison vax .
😂
Excelente topics Thank
Watched this twice, imo Zuckerberg did quite a good job in giving his views, especially considering that he's the CEO of a tech giant. An advice to become more objective and reducing our confirmation bias, is to read the comments only after we've watched the whole thing.
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Yasss
Yup totally agree.
Judging his honesty or wether he hides somthing or not aside, he didn't do a good job in giving his views, his speech patterns and train of thought seems incoherent and is hard to follow on the first listen, as well as compared to Yuval he doesn't seem to really try to really engage with his conversational partner or ideas
True.
This dialogue shows us that you don't need to be the richest man in the world to be the brightest one.
Juan Pablo Davila most importantly, you don’t have to be the brightest or the wisest to the richest or the most powerful.
One thing I have noticed about Mark Zuckerberg is that he needs to do some homework on how to become a good listener. He shouldn’t forget that his guests for discussion are masters in their fields, so it will be more wise to listen and grab as much information as possible from them rather than keep on talking and in the process missing gleaning valuable information from the invited guests.
I mean he isn't there to have a conversation. In multiple occasions he purposefully missinterpreted Yuval.
I think he still needs some time to grow up. Gates was somewhat like Zuckerberg but as Gates grew up he started to show signs of maturity and now present Gates thinks 100 times before he speaks. Perhaps we need to give Zuckerberg time to mature. He is still a young man but a multi-billionaire. Well, with money one cannot compensate age related maturity features.
As a Soto Zen Buddhists, we hold the precept of doing( no harm) to other sentient beings, but for these two we should make an exception !
This is the funniest thing I have watched... Yuval looks deeply concerned.
Diagnosis: STOCKHOLM-ZUCKERBERG-SYNDROME
Medication: 10mg Harari
Florian Donier haha
well said :P
Make it 500mg
Give him 30mg
@@haruspex1-50 dont overdose Mark he cant handle 500mg
Yuval's way of speaking is the most simplest way in the sense of understanding i think......thanks man you're the great human being😊
I feel that Mark looks relaxed and carefree compared with many of other interviews (elsewhere).
This conversation causes in my mind a lot of concerns about how the world will be in the future.
In the few short years since this interview, online and physical “realities” have moved exponentially to into a cybernetic blur where it’s not about humans’ participating in communities, but rather, it’s now about software robots participating and influencing human minds to create new cultures of fear and anger in order to fuel and accelerate destructive behaviors.
Everything according to plan then.
So true.
What you mean to say is you are now aware of it. It has been happening the whole time.
We urgently need brave barbarians like in the movies to exterminate this kind of psychopathic narcissistic soul-less robot fuckers. They hate what they lack. Love, spirit, complete ness of life.
Also in order to serve the 1% of the mega rich
Yuval -> Mark: Its not about connecting people, its about harmonizing people
Manuj Bhalla the first matrix was a perfect harmony.
99% of the world had no clue who Yuval is until this video. They also don't know of the highly criticized fallacies in his books.
I've listened to this conversation, and listened to two other videos with Harari in them yesterday. One thing I did seem to understand, especially after today's video, is that neither of these people want to give credit to a higher power, God. Both are Jewish, and The Tanakh, which is also the Christian's first ten books of the bible, is there to learn. Of course, Christians go one to read the rest of the book. It amazes me that these two brilliant men are not using their wisdom, given to them from the Almighty God (remember all wisdom comes from God,) to give Him the credit for what they have gained, or to use it for His glory, which is what the Bible requires. They may see my view differently, but in what they are discussing, someone is going to be left out, though they try to act like they don't really want to leave anyone out. That isn't the way the Bible even works. A person is suppose to have a personal relationship with the Lord, who in turn blesses them, and they gain from that. If we fail to spread the message of God and His Truth, what do we gain in the next world? It is as if you won't have a place in the next world if we rely on these teachings. The Bible does state that all history repeats itself; that there is nothing new under the sun. American will follow your advice because we are being led at this time by atheistic people, and the Lord is going to abandon us as a nation. Of course, those who believe and follow His commandments will be just fine, either this side of heaven or the other side. That is the biggest picture these guys are missing out on.
I really hope that Yuvals thoughts will inspire the tech giants to rethink their role from mere data brokers for profit, to platforms that can truly empower people and bring us true freedom and democracy. At the moment their role is self serving. The services they provide might seem "free" but they come at a hefty cost. The A.I. they are developing needs to be used in accordance with values like compassion and freedom for all and not just for an world elite
I think that that's the idea
Keep a close eye on things. Our future completely depends on such scrutiny. Thanks, and all the best!
Yuval practices Vipassana meditation and I can tell it works because he was sitting there patiently listening to Mark..
I always follow you for the lucidity and consistency of your topics. A greeting from Italy 🇮🇹 Thank you Yuval
sono di firenze, te?
From Pisa.
תודה על שיתוף הסרטון,מארק צוקרברג בנאדם מדהים וגם אתה יובל
I admire Yuval’s patience. I wish I had the ability to sit through and extract key posts hidden inside extended blabbing of nonsense.
Me too! Especially after watching his talk at Stanford with Fei Fei Li. This conversation with Zuckerberg is not the worst. I need to learn more about his meditation method.
@@permblue He meditates at least one hour a day!
@@palomaperezrojas I know he does and I want to know the type of meditation. He mentions it on his website but it seems like all the classes of this style need fees. :(
@@permblue It is called vipassana
All of you humans that have not one single positive comment are so unreal to me. Be nice... you don’t even know either one.
My conclusion after watching it for a while: "Glad I deleted my Facebook and Instagram accounts..."
Same
Same
same
Eh, it takes 4 years for them to delete your account completely but its a start lol
Just make sure you don't log back in or that 4 year clock starts again...
make sure you deleted and didn't just deactivate.
I'm 6 years free from Facebook and the suckerburgers!
Same here buddies
Unfortunately, like with much of modern media interviews, rather than engaging and responding to Harari's comments, Zuckerberg simply diverts the conversation to something he is comfortable speaking about.
That is the way I felt the whole interview. Thank you for saying that. Obviously some people believe that with money comes wisdom and the ability to speak, especially on subjects they should not be....Mark needs to be listening......really listening not selective listening.
That was the wrong thing about it from the beginning.
The setting
They needed a moderator
You guys were great😮