Splintering Heart is so good! Fun thing is, when they do it live usually Hogarth starts singing from a random place in the hall, either up in the rafters, or somewhere on a balcony or in the back of the audience. It's great. There's definitely a lot of variety in their sound, but it's usually subtle and you need to live with the songs a while to get those subtleties
This Strange engine is an amazing song. He missed a whole section of lyrics which feed into the guitar solo. He was also supposed to do a saxophone sound that should have fed into the first solo. Continuity was lost.
Hogarth's voice is tremendous, the best out there right now. Somewhat unfortunately, Hogarth seems to think that singing in a breathy falsetto area on studio recordings evokes more emotion, so you would not know about his excellence if all you looked into were studio versions. Live, he has to overcome the instrumentation, and his passion is on full display. One oddity about Marillion is that the Fish era material represents the band's most popular songs, all of which are very poorly sung by a man with no vocal talent, but the old Fish fans feel the need to boost Fish's talents by derogating Hogarth's, so fans of the band rag on Hogarth, who has fronted the band since 1989. He is still often referred to as "the new guy", which is insane. You are spot on about the "new" version of Marillion being an emotional juggernaut.
FWIW, IMHO early Marillion really didn't sound at all like Genesis, other than both bands played more elaborate music with interesting lyrics. Fish as a singer sounded nothing like Peter Gabriel or Phil Collins. I think it was Justice Potter Stewart who famously wrote that he could not define pornography, but he knew it when he saw it. The same applies to prog rock. There is no generally accepted definition. Most people claim to simply know it when they hear it, and fans of prog quite naturally seek to label music as progressive rock if it is music they like. If they don't like it very much, they slap the derogative "pop" label on it. With Hogarth assisting with the writing and playing/singing on just about 25 years now of Marillion music, there is a much greater chance of a wide variation in what the band has produced over that quarter-century. I won't try to argue with you about some of the first few of the Hogath-era albums. Like Yes and Genesis before them, Marillion was being subjected to a lot of record label pressure to produce hit radio singles, but I would note that the Fish era was filled with lots of radio friendly hit singles, which is why that remains the bands most popular era. In my mind that makes the Fish era much poppier than the Hogarth era, and the slam on the Hogarth band being a pop band comes from piscine fans whose opinion is based mainly on one listen to "Holidays in Eden". The Hogarth era has dozens of great progressive rock songs mixed in with the short and simple ones. The Fish era has Grendel, although those who claim the Fish era was far more progressive get around the lack of epic tunes by saying you must listen to the entire album as akin to one epic. Dilly-dilly!
Just a thought, but you'd get more views if you reacted to the music by listening to it, not talking about how many views something else got. Then you might be able to tell there is a difference between the songs 😂
THAT LAST SONG WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST LIVE SONGS I HAVE EVER HEARD!
I loved the crowd energy!
Splintering Heart is so good! Fun thing is, when they do it live usually Hogarth starts singing from a random place in the hall, either up in the rafters, or somewhere on a balcony or in the back of the audience. It's great. There's definitely a lot of variety in their sound, but it's usually subtle and you need to live with the songs a while to get those subtleties
Marillion is amazing band!
Like you said, Steve Rothary's guitar solos are always soulful with perfect bends.
Dig em a lot!
This Strange engine is an amazing song. He missed a whole section of lyrics which feed into the guitar solo. He was also supposed to do a saxophone sound that should have fed into the first solo. Continuity was lost.
Yea was funny for someone like me who doesn't know the original.lol
Hogarth's voice is tremendous, the best out there right now. Somewhat unfortunately, Hogarth seems to think that singing in a breathy falsetto area on studio recordings evokes more emotion, so you would not know about his excellence if all you looked into were studio versions. Live, he has to overcome the instrumentation, and his passion is on full display. One oddity about Marillion is that the Fish era material represents the band's most popular songs, all of which are very poorly sung by a man with no vocal talent, but the old Fish fans feel the need to boost Fish's talents by derogating Hogarth's, so fans of the band rag on Hogarth, who has fronted the band since 1989. He is still often referred to as "the new guy", which is insane.
You are spot on about the "new" version of Marillion being an emotional juggernaut.
Really enjoying these guys more and more!
Until you hear the song "Gaza" by these guys, you haven't heard anything!
You hear the @jim? :)
@@Jim-El Hopefully Miss Ginny can join us! :)
The Fish years were more like early Genesis. Hogarth's years more poppy, but definitely more passionate.
FWIW, IMHO early Marillion really didn't sound at all like Genesis, other than both bands played more elaborate music with interesting lyrics. Fish as a singer sounded nothing like Peter Gabriel or Phil Collins. I think it was Justice Potter Stewart who famously wrote that he could not define pornography, but he knew it when he saw it. The same applies to prog rock. There is no generally accepted definition. Most people claim to simply know it when they hear it, and fans of prog quite naturally seek to label music as progressive rock if it is music they like. If they don't like it very much, they slap the derogative "pop" label on it.
With Hogarth assisting with the writing and playing/singing on just about 25 years now of Marillion music, there is a much greater chance of a wide variation in what the band has produced over that quarter-century. I won't try to argue with you about some of the first few of the Hogath-era albums. Like Yes and Genesis before them, Marillion was being subjected to a lot of record label pressure to produce hit radio singles, but I would note that the Fish era was filled with lots of radio friendly hit singles, which is why that remains the bands most popular era. In my mind that makes the Fish era much poppier than the Hogarth era, and the slam on the Hogarth band being a pop band comes from piscine fans whose opinion is based mainly on one listen to "Holidays in Eden". The Hogarth era has dozens of great progressive rock songs mixed in with the short and simple ones. The Fish era has Grendel, although those who claim the Fish era was far more progressive get around the lack of epic tunes by saying you must listen to the entire album as akin to one epic. Dilly-dilly!
Just a thought, but you'd get more views if you reacted to the music by listening to it, not talking about how many views something else got. Then you might be able to tell there is a difference between the songs 😂
Nice dig, but doubt that is the issue ;)