This was A LOT to explore…What are your thoughts on the movie so far based on trailers? Are you LIVING or are you DYING? What characters do you hope they bring back and what do you expect of the upcoming dolls?
Loving the cosplay 😀 I actually can't wait!! Idk where I'm gonna watch it but I guess I'm living 😊 I'm also just wondering if they sing themselves and maybe they add some more characters from og franchise? 😅 your cosplay of dracualura is amazing 👏 😍 ❤️
definitely dying, it gave Nickelodeon’s attempt at disney descendants. i feel like this had so much potential to be iconic but it’s just cringey and sad. the songs have the most basic lyrics that you could think of if you were free styling at karaoke night, not to mention they sing in cursive. this movie looks like another nickelodeon flop.
I always thought Cleo and Deuce were the couple that was going to last forever in the series. They loved each other a lot, (as seen in Boo York and countless episodes of the webseries) so why change a couple that is clearly in love? Also, I thought Abby and Heath were a couple or at least interested in each other.
@@sweethistortea Me too, the og series kept on showing time and time again how much Cleo and Deuce were meant for each other, only for this movie to give us the tomfoolery that is Deuce x Clawdeen... Also, Abbey x Heath had really nice chemistry going on, so why did they decide to pair Heath up with Cleo of all people?? Maybe I'm wrong and the Cleo x Heath thing is just like... A rumor, or a crush that one of the characters has, or even another past relationship of Cleo, but it's still not a good look.
@@Ros7698 Cleo would never have dated Heath in the original. Heath was a goofball and very childish, whereas Cleo was always elegant and (somewhat) reserved. Abby and Heath were friends and had a nice relationship, and that may have turned into something more had the original not gotten rebooted in 2016.
I couldn’t care less that Frankie’s non-binary. It actually makes sense since their composed of parts from different bodies. What I do hate is that Lagoona is no longer blue and Australian 😭
The two big things that annoy me is the creators ignore the lore of werewolves. A werewolf is a human who turns into a wolf during the full moon. Toralei is a werecat so it doesn’t make sense that Clawdeen is hiding being “half human” when she’s a werewolf. Second why is magic forbidden now when they’ve always had witches in the original and witches are closer to monster world including Casta. I also wish accents were included, it makes the world much more bigger.
@@321hackertime5 Well they did grow out of their disdain for humans, but that was a prior "reality" in a sense. As a reboot, none of that happened in this reality. It's like starting over from the first original Monster High films story. There was also an animated reboot in 2016, but the creation of that school was WAAAAAAY way different than the original reality and this live action reality.
Tbh I’m sad about Lagoona; as an Australian little girl always seeing American sounding voices everywhere, having an Australian character (although sometimes a lil cliché) was refreshing. Really hoping lagoona wont become some boring semi-background character
As an Australian myself I always thought it would be awesome if there was a Bunyip or the Rainbow Serpent. There are so many mythical creatures from around the world Monster High has never shown.
I know a lot of people seem to be comparing this to Descendants, but can we talk about the similarities to Equestria Girls? From what I can tell, a new student enters another world through a portal, she runs afoul of the school bully/popular girl who just broke up with her boyfriend, the boyfriend then starts liking the new girl for literally no reason except plot. It seriously feels like they're trying to make Cleo into another Sunset Shimmer.
@@Clawdeena9 do yourself a favor, watch a summary (or a "bronies react" video) of the first one, and skip to the second one, this is ment to be non ironic advice by the way 😅😅😅
There is a lot about this new live action movie that I really don’t like, but can we all agree that theses actors are definitely not to blame for the decisions made by Nickelodeon and Mattel. Each one of them gave it their all. Even if the movie is terrible I have nothing but love for its cast and crew. I understand wanting to make changes for a new generation of fans. Though when you piggy back off of brand recognition if you change to much you‘ll lose old fans with the possibility of not gaining enough new ones. It’s a very delicate balance few properties have done successfully.
I agree, I generally feel like they butchered it. especially with the casting and representation, ofc it's not the actor's fault tho but like, but how hard is it to find a brown skin black girl to play clawdeen? you can watch any of the monster high movies and see where the characters are from and figure out what they might look like. as a kid clawdeen use to be one of my favorite characters because I almost never saw any characters with darker skin at my age, characters that looked like me!, for example, the character Jinafire Long is Chinese or Skelita Calaveras who is Mexican. and putting clawdeen and deuce together is just wrong. also like how they took away Draculaura's nice, happy personality. or how they made ghoulia talk even though she's mute. everything is just so wrong..
I just know that the actors in this movies careers will be ruined. No I’m not talking about getting casted but sorta like the what the kissing booth did to joey aka people will think these actors are odd or cringy or bad just because creators of movies don’t know what there doing
I totally agree, and I like that cast is full of smaller names and I know that they put their all into the movie. It’s not the cast that I don’t like, the cast is great, it’s the changes and directions that I don’t like. But I do think that the actors did do a great job with the music and acting.
i’m gonna say something that might be quite controversial, but just bear with me. nb representation is important, i’m all for it, but why make a character who was cis for decades, whom people referred to as the DAUGHTER of frankenstein, only used she/her suddenly non-binary? again, i mean no harm, i just simply think introducing a whole new non-binary character would be the better option here. i’m also considering the fact people who won’t watch the movie/ haven’t watched yet, might still refer to frankie as a “she”, which might cause a few arguments later.. the fact clawdeen is straight and hetero? wtf???? her siblings being gone = wtf? ghoulia now speaks??? draculaura, originally a vegetarian, sweet vampire is now a rude ass witch who ain’t even vegetarian? hell nawwwww no hate to the actors or the crew, they most likely had little to no say in it and did their best.
While i do agree that making a new character to be nonbinary would have been good, as a trans person i can see how making an old one nonbinary still makes sense. When i was younger, i didnt know i was trans. I was still going by she/her pronouns, i was a daughter, etc. But then i found out that i was trans and now i can recognize myself as a man. Just because Frankie was cis before doesnt mean they cant be trans now! Its a discovery process. Changes are inevitable.
There were so many lgbt+ canon original characters they could’ve included but they decided to change something that had been canon for years and turned it into something else. It feels like a throw away inclusion to me. I’m Trans, and I feel uncomfortable by the whole introduction interaction between Frankie and Claudeen
@@azazazz099 in the beginning they said that Frankie was a girl for decades and that suddenly they got changed to nonbinary. I was simply saying that not every character has to start off trans, and that they can find themself over time. There was no main point in what they said, as they commented about multiple things in the live action, lmao.
This really trumps all retcons. They said “We’ll do whatever the hell we want and you’re gonna like it.” I like a gender neutral Frankie, but if they really wanted that half-human half monster subplot, Jekyll and Hyde was literally right there. 🫣 They could’ve kept Clawdeen a lesbian. And Cleo and Deuce are damn near just as synonymous as Barbie and Ken were. If you needed a witch, they LITERALLY created Casta and could’ve just pushed Casta to be a part of the main crew if they needed a witch to fill the quota. I’m not even about to get started on Lagoona. I actually do not like this at all…
To add to this comment, aren’t “witches” considered monsters? Like what happened to accepting everyone, “freaky flaws and all?” Saying that witchcraft is banned from monster studies is kinda…adverse to that message?
I've never understood the need for reboots to change so many arbitrary things and expect people to like it. You know people liked monster high for a reason right?
True totally, i get some fresh changes but this belongs in a circus. The reason people are angry is not bc we are mad at changes but after so long and so many poorly made costumes for MVs and promotion… we just wanted to see actual good costumes and good representation of the characters and alternative fashion vibe. Like its not that we want it just to be us, we want kids to experience what we did! And how was it not controversial when MH came out and everyone loved the monster alternative vibe and now its like eh we have to make it for kids bc its too much… no it never was!
True totally, i get some fresh changes but this belongs in a circus. The reason people are angry is not bc we are mad at changes but after so long and so many poorly made costumes for MVs and promotion… we just wanted to see actual good costumes and good representation of the characters and alternative fashion vibe. Like its not that we want it just to be us, we want kids to experience what we did! And how was it not controversial when MH came out and everyone loved the monster alternative vibe and now its like eh we have to make it for kids bc its too much… no it never was!
I think the thing that irks me about Frankie's pronouns is that MH has had queer characters before: Kiyomi being sapphic, Clawdeen being a lesbian, Neighthan being pan, Valentine being gay, Toralei probably being a lesbian (because she follows Nefera a lot and honestly, it was suspicious that she wasn't affected by Kieran's charms). These characters were amazing for being queer though closeted--Clawdeen reacting to Draculaura preferring her brother over her, Kiyomi being soft and blushing around Draculaura, even Valentine battling his internalized homophobia... Those were deep and we explored their characters beyond their orientations, rather how they react to people around them (also, why is Draculaura always involved in those stories). But for the reboot live-action, they introduced a non-binary character in the weirdest most strange and unnatural way possible... there was so much potential to introduce a queer character in a great way, but this was not it. A missed opportunity, really. As someone who is also non-binary, I don't know if I should be happy about it. In universe, it would make total sense for Frankie to be genderqueer, I mean, she does consist of the body parts of people who's genders can be mixed. I just wished she wasn't introduced like that. And no, it's not that I just want her to "stay quiet" about her identity, I just think there are much better ways to show it. I would rather Clawdeen was finally revealed to be gay but one thing, the original MH did lack trans characters except for Gilda, but she was basically an unexplored NPC in the background.
Yeah I really hope they have more queer characters in this movie! I'm also nonbinary but I'm having a hard time understanding what's wrong with Frankie's introduction. I thought introductions like "Hi I'm [name] and [pronouns]" is fine?
@@Hyacinth8418 Then I guess it's my own personal disdain for pronouns then. I'm also genderqueer, but I really hate English and neopronouns nowadays. Not for others, but for me. They always always come out gendered for some weird reason. They/them in queer spaces doesn't even sound neutral, it just sounds like people pertaining to a "third gender", which irks me so much. I doubt English, even with its neopronouns, would ever have a truly singular gender neutral pronoun 😕 Also because no one really introduces themselves with pronouns irl, it's moreso an online thing. Or if done irl, it usually done in s more "Hi I'm __. I'm (insert achievement here), and I'm (insert what you want to be identified as). I'd prefer if you address me as (nickname) and with (pronouns) here." So "(Name+pronouns)" sound so unnatural to me because starting off with that gives me the impression that the personality and achievement are limited to pronouns. That being said, my age is probably showing
I think rather than introducing it out of the gate; it would be interesting to see Frankie, as they understand more about the umbrella that is gender identity and realize nb and they/them fit their identity better. Of course as it is it can also work, but the dialogue was awkward. Another easy way would be the teacher being like "please introduce yourself" and they can be like "my names Frankie, I'm Frankenstein child, I'm this age, I use they/them, I love fashion" and it would have been so much more natural, that's just how I feel tho.
May I just say the whole pronouns bit in the ad made me genuinely cringe with how forced it was. like it hurt. It SCREAMED “LOOK. LOOK AT US!!! WE ARE TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE!!! 100%!! NOW GIVE US YOUR MONEY-“ There was literally no other reason to add this bit into the literal advertisement other then for money. I love that they are adding a bit more of the community. But there’s no excuse to add that section into an advertisement. It perfectly encapsulates the fact that they simply want money from those in the community. Edit: (Just noting this. I’m in the lgbtq+ community before someone takes this wrong somehow lol)
Exactly how I feel about it like they added it into the add to say "HEY WE'RE WOKE BUY THIS" like the scene itself made me cringe because literally every one of my trans friends have literally just corrected me once. I get the kind of progression of just announcing it but I think it's even more awkward because we don't go "hi I'm Kayla she/they" it sounds like a social media bio 😭
It’s the fact of if ANY other cis person said like “Heath Burns, Male, Pronouns He/Him” it would be weird to say that. The only way it won’t be weird for Frankie saying that is if EVERYONE else in the class also introduces themselves like Frankie did.
I know it's a reboot but we deserve well-written characters that don't fall into clichés and an original plot (this plot looks like it came from Scooby-do)
@@karolinedemon I don't hate Scooby-doo, I mean it's a typical school movie "that keeps a dark mystery within its walls", Sorry if I didn't make myself understood hahaha
Honestly shocked how they say they're doing this for representation yet they put a biracial woman to play a darkskin black woman. And they put a Mexican actress to play an Egyptian character. No hate to the actresses, all criticisms to the developers.
@@legendhero5666 Egyptian actor dont get enough representation like Pakistani actors. Most egeyptisn in movie are portrayed by Europeans. European really put in their head that they are the one who build Egypt.
Ever since I found out about the movie and Frankie using they/them, in my head i knew there was logic in it but it just didn't seem right for Frankie until I realized why it didn't click for me. I personally think Frankie should still be non binary but with no preference to pronounces because they are a collection of many parts. I think it makes more sense for Frankie to not care because they are everything. But obviously that's just my opinion
OMG you get all my feeling! Personally, Yes I understand why they pick Frankie being a non binary but I can't see them picking a pronounce, Frankie is a collection of many parts that I'm pretty sure she would be like "Why to pick? Let's do all of them!" (Sorry my English)
I just don’t understand why make a female character non-binary all of a sudden? Like she’s my favorite and still is tbf this is just crappy representation
The rep that they are giving us feels forced and random, especially when they take away rep we already have. Frankie being nonbinary makes sense, they were likely composed of both male and female parts and since they've only existed for a few weeks they wouldn't have the same concept of gender as everyone else. Probably wouldn't use the word nonbinary but they or even it pronouns works well. Clawdeen and Deuce should not be a pairing. Clawdeen has always been a lesbian icon and it's been made clear she doesn't find men attractive often. Cleo and deuce should not break up but if they did I'd imagine Deuce would be more likely to hit on Clawd, or one of his guy friends. Cleo would never be into Holt either. Ghoulia gave nonverbal/semiverbal rep to kids and for them to take that away is ridiculous. She's such an iconic, smart, loveable character with tons of personality even though she doesn't speak and that's important. Monster High doesn't hate humans, humans hate monsters and all they want is to be able to live freely and peacefully. Monster High is about loving yourself and everything that makes you different, they wouldn't hate humans. Be afraid of them, a bit yeah, but for the most part it's humans that are stirring up trouble. I don't understand why this is becoming a thing. There's so many ways they could've gone in terms of representation. I think having queer characters checks out but casual representation is more important than anything. Natural, normal, not a big deal. Disabled characters should be there too (again, Ghoulia, but also side characters like Gill count and Frankie having some issues walking or moving or whatever. Things like that.) I'm glad we have something but I'm disappointed too.
Clawdeen has never been a lesbian. Yes, the creator of Clawdeen said they liked the IDEA of Clawdeen being a lesbian, but canonically speaking, Clawdeen has shown romantic interest in several guys on several occasions in every generation. The fact that you finished that thought saying Deuce should get w Clawd means you probs just want characters to be gay tho and are willing to ignore canon
Kids movies are often exaggerated and quite simple so I think Frankie introducing themselves the way they did as well.. making sense. Plus, I feel like that one of the first things Frankie would hear, or be introduced to, would be their identity, because identity is important, while a high five isn't.
Heavily disagree When the series was first created it already included LGBT characters and characters who were supposed to be LGBT, so it's not like it's a new thing for them and despite that Frankie is a completely female girl and that's how her parents built her and that's how they made her in the series Aside from the fact that this whole thing feels very forced it also feels unrelated and just because talking about gender is trendy for the big companies (because sorry but kids aged 8 to 11 do not talk about these issues) and with all due respect to the actor why should he be preferred over any other girl that wanted to be Frankie? Part of Monster High part is to show girls power and to cast a man for the role of this main female character is To ridicule all this meaning, because here also in this place, a men enter and even now those who should be quiet and generalize and accept and agree to that these stuff are women whose rights and possibilities are violated and diminished again. It's definitely not fair. If they were so eager to put in something like this they could invent a new character, not mess with a main character that Literally was born a week ago at the beginning of the series and its really but really does not make sense that she would know anything about gender and ways of addressing people.
Plus the parts that make up Frankie are from a different time period as far as I know and while self discovery is universal regardless of time period certain gestures aren't.. so it makes sense not to know what a high five is.. pronouns aren't some new discovery and the only reason it isn't documented is because alot of people were stigmatised and had to live in secrecy.. can you imagine finally being able to be yourself? You'd be excited too
I have no problem with Frankie being a non-binary person, I think it's great that there is LGBT representation in children's films, but I hate how it's implemented. It is not natural to say your pronoun AND gender identification in the classroom. In my opinion, the best representation of non-binary people is Rain from The Owl House. Their pronouns are implemented into the dialogue naturally and we are able to notice ourselves. Show don't tell. This showed me that the filmmakers don't think about the original fans who are older and know the term non-binary, but about kids. Overall, I see this movie as a cheap, nostalgic cash grab with no heart put into it
Why do they always have to think about the original fans? They’re already re-selling their original toys. I get what you’re saying about it seeming awkward, but this movie is a kids movie at the end of the day.
@@Lilly-to9hs the children are unlikely to be interested. they mostly sit in front of the computer, not the TV (I sound like a boomer). Besides, it is mostly the original fans who buy the dolls and support the franchise. And it looks cheap, even for a children's movie
Not really fucking true at all. I have introduced myself with my pronouns and gender in the classroom multiple times and it's actually pretty natural. Society just hates trans ppl and won't let us introduce ourselves in a healthy and safe space. Quite contributing to the stigma that it's "unnatural" and "weird" to openly discuss one's pronouns and gender in social settings. It's not weird at all and is something that should be more normalized. Get over yourself.
I would say that as a foreigner this seem to be a very American thing so I wonder how they’ll translate it 🤔 (in my language we only have he and she ) but I suppose their targets are probably Americans 😆
I’m all for gay and trans characters, and Frankie going by they/them would make sense due to being made out of multiple body parts but it feels wrong because they changed her. Frankie is one of my many favorite characters. I think they should’ve just created a new character all together and made them trans or non binary. I just wish they didn’t change the characters as much as they did
Honestly I think that they made Frankie non-binary to distract fans from the fact that they whitewashed Clawdeen and made her straight, when it is headcanon in majority of MH fan’s mind that she’s a lesbian
@@ShadowQ-de2mn while that could be a possibility I think they tried to “appeal” to the kids and went with a trans, non-binary persons expectations. They didn’t want to force a lgbtq+ member to “Act” as a female character when they, themselves, once identified as female. I’ve been in love with MH since before I turned 12 and I’m now 22. It’s so strange for all the characters to be changed. Lagoona is no longer blue and has violent side, Draculaura lost her accent and now does witchcraft, ghoulia speaks English and acts annoyingly dumb, clawdeen stole Cleo’s bf and doesn’t seem to care about fashion anymore, Frankie is non-binary, too dumb to know what a high five is but smart enough to know other worldly things, Cleo… idek what to say about Cleo. She was already a huge Bit$h but now she just seems like one of those annoying bullies who Jealous of the main character for no reason. And I won’t lie to you I hate Nickelodeon. I get it’s for kids but the directing for the acting and presentation is soooo bad it’s just cringe. It all sounds the same. Just copy and paste with a different theme. And they completely erased the fact that monster high represents acceptance in differences and flaws no matter who you are or where you came from. We’re all unique and have different dreams and hopes. Even in a world of monsters vs humans. No matter what you look like you are welcomed in our school of monster high! Nuff said
facts mann it just doesn’t feel right because canonically she wasn’t, they should’ve designed a whole nother character, i will always like the old MH bc this new one does not exist in my head bc uh uh 💀
10:30 when it comes to branding, the bow is a must. Even more than 10 years later every time I see a skull with a hair bow I think of monster high! As far as aesthetically speaking idk about the bow as much but I prefer the split colors and patterns for sure
Yea! Plus the skull had small lashes on it too! The different colors made it so much easier to recognize, without these easy features it just looks like a regular Halloween skull decor and not monster high-
Personally, Frankie introducing their pronouns wasn't something out of the ordinary for me. I've had plenty of classes/introductions where we share our pronouns right off the bat. Maybe the way they've done it in the movie could have been scripted a bit better (for example, someone refers to Frankie as "she" in passing and they quickly correct them and they all move on) but for a movie primarily aimed at kids, I'd say this is a pretty decent step forward.
I love to hear that you've had those types of progressive environments! I'm wondering if also because there's no context, maybe the teacher asks what Frankies pronouns/identity is before they introduce themselves?
@@Clawdeena9 Teachers asking students to introduce themselves with their names and pronouns (and of course a fun fact about yourself) is defo something I've experienced. Although I should also note that I live in the UK and I'm at uni, which allows for a more welcoming environment which wasn't really seen during my high school years. Hopefully, things have changed since then.
I feel like we should normalize introducing ourselves with our pronouns so people can't brush misgendering someone off as "I didn't know" and just show they're transphobic so we can stay away from those people
Considering Frankie was probably made with both male and female flesh, it actually makes sense. One of the first things Frankie could have asked their parents was “Where did I come from?” And they could explain their creation.
@@Sanya-de1kt how you see yourself and what you learn are different things. I remember the first time someone tried to high-five me. as an anti-social misfit who was constantly fighting someone, I thought they were trying to hit me. Yeah it was an awkward day but that didn't effect how I identified myself.
they're literally a bunch of mismatched body parts sewn together and reanimated, what part of the screams "girl" so much that people get mad at the change?
I feel like the biggest issue with the Frankie thing is not that they are nonbinary bc I actually think it fits their character well, I think its the fact that pretty much the rest of the diversity was taken out. Reasons I've seen of that is making clawdeen lightskin, having a cleo an arab/egyptian character be portrayed by a non arab/egyptian actress, and getting rid of accents like Abby's and Lagoona's. It just feels like they added this piece of diversity to coverup what they got rid of. I definitely like Frankie being nonbinary I just think it would've had a greater impact if they didn't change so much.
I love that Frankie is non binary but I hate the way they went about it. I would have loved the movie to kinda have a storyline for Frankie where they find out gradually throughout the movie that they are non binary and use they/them pronouns. This would be more natural and would help the clueless children understand being non binary more instead of dropping it in the intro in such a forced and unnatural way. The old monster high always handled the situations like this differently and better, the old monster high would probably show someone misgendering Frankie at first and then they would show Frankie talking about their feelings which would explain their story and why they go by they/them pronouns and then the lesson is taught much better and the younger kids will have a better understanding. That’s what monster high did with characters that were minorities in the past and it had a much bigger impact on me.
If they wanted to pair Cleo with someone other than Deuce, I would have preferred Clawd. They actually dated before and that's why Clawdeen was so against Draculaura dating her brother.
@@callmesummon that wasn't a mattel decision, that was made by the creator (garrett Sander) who no longer works on the team so he can't really do something if they pair clawdeen with a boy, I believe?? as he has no control over their actions as he's not on the team anymore
@@callmesummon I don't think Clawdeen was a lesbian. I think Garrett Sanders actually discussed this. He said he didn't want to make Clawdeen boy crazy because Frankie and Draculaura already were. But even though he didn't intend for Clawdeen to be a lesbian, he's not mad at that idea.
@@serenatsukino5252 I believe, in an recent post or smthin, something said something about clawdeen couldn't be a lesbian and he responded 'yes she can :)' or something similar and people took that as a yes to her being one
The new live action film isn’t for me, but that’s ok. I hope everyone who helped make it is proud of their work and see success, no need to send them hate just because it’s something I don’t like, don’t know why people are doing this!
Exactly!! This this this this. I might watch the movie and absolutely hate it but I definitely don't think it means we should be inconsiderate that this is still a giant group project that took a lot of time and effort
i don’t really care for the designs of most of them, the changes of the chacters/story, but it’s okay. it’s for younger chacters and while i wish it was more true to the og series it’s whatever (although if clawdeen has super vision and wolf ears, why does she have glasses and what are they connected to?)
@@imjustasconfusedasyou you got me. I haven't tough on how was she wearing glasses with those ears lol such a simple detail, but it's all I'm going to be able to think about when I look at her now On the why, I guess maybe she needs them for seeing what's near, like reading, and the super vision makes her see stuff that is far better. Makes sense, because wolfs need to see far well to hunt, but they don't need to read, so maybe werewolf power only improve distance vision. Or maybe they didn't tough of it lol
I don’t think Frankie would be non-bianary. She refers to herself as a female the whole time throughout the series. It feels like they’re doing it for marketing. They’re changing her character and from previous live actions we know that doesn’t end well. it’s the same thing with the head master. They’re changing it just to try and look good which I find rude.
Honestly In my opinion her being a she/they or just staying as a she/her would’ve been fine instead of totally changing their whole identity no one is used to except for new fans. If an old fan never watched this movie and used she/her on Frankie new fans would be upset so them using she/her & they/them would’ve been fine for old and new fans.
Personally, I don't think the problem is that monster high has a non-binary character. I believe that a lot of people are disappointed because a popular character who was already established to be female and have she/her pronouns from the beginning of the series was ultimately changed just for representation and how the team introduced them really seemed a little forced, like, I don't think a living, breathing, non-binary human being would introduce themselves like that. And I'm not saying that representation is a bad thing, it's actually a great thing and it helps children and teens to realise that hetero-normativity isn't the only way and it's perfectly fine if they end up being lgbtq+ when they grow up, or helps them realise they aren't straight and or cis. In my opinion, I believe it would have been better to keep Frankie's original gender identity but introduce in the main cast a different non-binary character, because if nick could afford to make so many drastic changes to the main cast (heavily looking at lagoona), they could have afforded to create a non-binary character of their own. I've also seen people saying that Frankie being non-binary makes sense because they could've been made from parts of people of different genders and I agree with that statement. But there's also the possibility of Frankie being made of only female body parts since it's never stated. Or, at least, I've never seen or heard that it's cannon that Frankie is made of body parts of different genders or of only female ones. It matters from which point of view you look at this specific argument with the body parts and I don't there's a right opinion on this one. I just wanted to bring a different perspective. Again, having a non-binary character IS NOT the problem, the problem is changing the gender identity of an already established character who's been canonically female to only offer representation is. I feel like nickelodeon did this ONLY to get brownie points and get some people to watch the live action movie and the animated series for the sole reason that a character is non-binary and I don't know if they'll humanize Frankie and give them aspirations, emotions and flaws just like any other good written character or just have them be non-binary and nick's job is done. No personality, no character development, just sit there and look pretty. I honestly don't like how people say that this reboot offers representation all while the og Clawdeen was gay-coded and her creator is very supportive of the head-canon of her being a lesbian but this reboot threw it all away just for Deuce to romance her and they don't even have any chemistry together. Some people say the team made her bi or bi coded, and as a bisexual myself, I don't want to be represented like that. Stealing representation from another overlooked group is not the way and it would've made more sense for Heath to be bisexual or even pansexual than for Clawdeen. I have no hate towards any of the actors and I wish the best for them. They worked with what they were given and the choices for everything, from the costumes to the script, was out of their control. If you've read my whole rant, thank you, and I hope I made any sense. If you want to have a debate or just talk about this in the reply section, please just be respectful and remember there's a human being behind that account.
Yeah, making a new character would be the best option, if they wanted to represent. And I keep seeing Frankie being made of "multiple parts from different genders" but that doesn't make sense because gender identity is different from sex, so it wouldn't matter anyway. Frankie has always been exclusively female and suddenly changing it for no reason aside from brownie points is a really bad move, I hope the movie isn't cannon to anything but itself
with the Deuce and Clawdeen thing- What I'm hoping is that they'll execute in a way where it's the two using a friendship (that they confuse for romantic feelings) to learn more about themselves.
@@sxrawbxrryz tbh, it's really weird that they're seemingly not making her les. I mean, they made Frankie nb which is just as popular as the les Clawdeen headcanon.
@@irachan3978 honestly before i never heard of the headcanon of frankie being non binary before but I've seen so many people say clawdeen is les and in lots of fan art you can find the lesbian flag. you're right and honestly clawdeen being les is even more popular
I find it kinda interesting that in Gen 1 Frankie was introduced as the main character, Gen 2 it was Draculaura and now it’s Clawdeen. It’s interesting seeing the different takes on Monster High but nothing will ever come close to the first generation
I feel like Clawdeen and Deuce being a thing is just like a mainstream thing where the supposedly main character who isn't popular dates someone who is popular. It's like forcing a mainstream stereotype of a teen movie into Monster High, it doesn't seem right. I mean I don't get why they are forcing it when Cleo and Deuce had their own movie about their problem (Boo york) which showed how perfect Deuce and Cleo can be as a couple. Also as far as I remember, Clawdeen never had a love interest or even if she had, it'd be just a few scenes.
It seems uncreative imo. Oh wow, never seen that before. Unpopular girl gets with the popular guy wooohhh so original... Why did there even have to be a love plot in there for Clawdeen anyway? Not every teen-themed movie needs a romance plot with the main character!
My ship 😀😤 this is my favorite ship for im debating on watching the movie if Cleo x deuce ain't gonna be in it...im also a fan of clawd x draculaura.. 😤🙄😤
had to collect my thoughts. Clawdeen being human-to monster isn't my favorite. However, if the reboots follow a intresting trend of each reboot revolving diffrent characters are the main focus. I think that is a good choice for at least how to identify what storyline people can refure too. As for the movie, i see the movies as a separate universe to the original work. specially for how much work and money that would cost. For any level of money, it is allways difficult for a movie to capture an original image and essence of something it is going to capture. So movies are usually something i can shrug off now-a-days. I am more curious for the series, because that is where most of the playline dolls are going to be designed based.
The clawdeena half-human thing makes me a little bitter because, duh, they already had that with Jackson and holt! But I’m willing to try the movie out. It’s definitely gonna be a separate universe situation for me too lol
It would be interesting if they kept a similar story but from another characters perspective. Kind of like how they started focusing on Draculara instead of Frankie later on. They just gave Clawdeen Frankie's role and inserted a plot we've kinda... Seen before. Which isn't bad, Monster high was always cliche and made it work, but it's clear they're trying to do something different right?
I don't really know how the fact that Frankie is nonbinary will work in other languages (for example: in my native language - Polish - everything has assigned gender, there's no gender-neutral words like in english) Also I really hate that they made Clawdeen str8, like... why did they change Frankie to be nonbinary but decided to make our lesbien queen Clawdeen str8? Do they want LGBTQ+ representation or not? Oh, and the MH school doesn't feel like it used to - like a place where everyone is accepted, but not half-blood monsters? And witches? After all, is this a safespace for ALL monsters or just the chosen ones? And they shouldn't change characters races/skin tones, that just doesn't feel right. At this point I feel like characters from this reboot are completely different ones that the ones from the og version, just named the same way & at most inspired by the og ones.
I agree 100000% Clawdeen was meant to be lesbian, they could've stuck to it, including how clawdeen has a love interest in this new movie, could've kept cleo and deuce the same pair and get clawdeen a new girl or hint at with another ghoul??? I like the original plot line the best, im all for the representation, but they still could've approached it differently AND stuck to the original plot line. I'm half asian and half european, so if i were clawdeen, i would not be accepted in MH??? Like seriously what happened to being accepted for your 'freaky flaws'? they even removed that quote :/ They could've kept same/similar plot to the original but nope :/// And all their new hobbies and interests are weird? Frankie is the more sociable and friendly one, but now her main attribute is her IQ? when that was kinda ghoulias role? and clawdeen who was a fashionista/designer and now she skateboards apparently LMFAO WHAT??? and draculaura doing witchcraft? what happened to our cute short little vegetarian vampire. They don't even have their accents too, gonna miss abbys, dracs and lagoonas ones the most. L movie
@@prncsx6857 THANK YOU THATS WHAT IVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY!!!! Like if they wanted LGBTQ representation they could've made Clawdeen lesbian with someone like Venus and kept Frankie the way she was. I feel like that could have gave a better representation to LGBTQ than basically forcing the they/them pronouns on a character that has been using she/her pronouns since the beginning and if they really wanted to make Frankie non binary they should have it her like that from the start of the franchise instead of trying to be on brand with modern day society. ( Btw I'm not trying to be transphobic about anyone's gender identity, this is just how I feel as a monster high fan)
My BIGGEST issue with the live action movie, specifically about Frankie being non binary, is why couldn’t they ALSO make Clawdeen a canon lesbian?! Like how HUGE would it be for kids and LGBTQ+ community if the MAIN character was gay. Mattel made this big show about how they were gonna give us more representation before the movie teasers even came out! I’m here for non binary Frankie, but I also would’ve loved lesbian Clawdeen 😞💔
uhh we aren’t that progressed in society yet. having an openly gay MAIN character in a KIDS show is still really frowned upon and a lot of parents would bitch about it. How about you wait a couple years, then maybe society would accept gay main characters jn kids shows 😭
@@jdinsomniac7504 Steven Universe literally exists my guy. Take your BS argument somewhere else. It’s literally 2022, if they don’t start including more LGBTQ+ characters now then they never will. The time is now and Mattel & Nickelodeon are still living in the dark ages.
@@Zhanya_Hotd okay so, I’m not sure how far her liking that boy went. I know it was a subplot thing in Ghouls Rule but other than that 🤷🏽♀️ For years a huge chunk of the fandom has requested/hoped that Clawdeen could be revealed as a lesbian since they headcanoned it and Garret Sander, the creator of Monster High, gave the idea support. (The MH Instagram Q&A he did a few years ago). Now even though there’s a lot about this reboot that has been revealed/talked about I seriously doubt they’re gonna bring back and other potential LGBTQ+ characters like Valentine or Neighthan (Val was confirmed by Garrett that he was supposed to be gay but Mattel said it was never the right time and Neighthan was another fan headcanon character) which is really upsetting. There are already shows out there like The Owl House that has POC & LBGTQ+ leads and is labeled as “a kids show” and has received numerous praise for that. (Mainly towards the creator Dana Terrence because Disney decided to cancel the show but 🤷🏽♀️) so it can be done.
I'm cool with NB Frankie. And honestly? Their "forced" introduction seems pretty in character. Frankie's always been the kind of friendly ghoul who dives in with 1000% enthusiasm. I can definitely see them sharing /everything/ about themselves on the first day.
@@cerocares1196 literally bro, i would’ve totally been okay if they just designed a cool new androgynous nb character in the reboot instead of doing that to frankie bro
I've always loved Monster High, so seeing this live action movie being made makes me kinda sad and annoyed. The biggest thing to me is why does Draculara seem so mean? Like the way she said " Never. Knock on a closed coffin" seemed super snappy towards Frankie & Clawdeen.
as a nonbinary person, i love that frankie goes by they/them tbh, i just hope the diversify their fashion beyond just dresses because i'd love to see nonbinary fashion trends represented too in a fashion doll line ( the fashion trends for nonbinary people tend to be trying to aim for the most androgynous look as possible ) and i really think frankie would rock high waisted pants, that's something that's always been in their character's vibe tbh
I'm fine with Frankie being non - binary. What makes me think they only did this for more views is that they have only, so far it seems, put Frankie as part of the LGBTQ+ instead of more of the characters that have been either confirmed or suspected/accepted as being LGBTQ+. For example, if they can have Frankie as non - binary, which has never been discussed really, why can't they have Clawdeen being lesbian?
Frankie has always been she/her. I feel like making her non binary was just a desperate attempt to make the cast more 'diverse' when they could've, as you said, just made Clawdeen lesbian. Clawdeen being lesbian would make more sense since one of the creators of the show said they would've liked to make her a lesbian if not for censorship, so it's more or less confirmed even if we've never seen it in canon material. But of course- they can't have the reboot Clawdeen be a lesbian because then she wouldn't be able to have a hetero romance arc in the movie which is oh so important to the film writers because they simply *can't* have an explicit lesbian romance in a kids movie without parents going nuts. Even though we all know plenty of parents are going to be enraged with Frankie's pronouns.
@@kohakuhime7887 This- like the OG of the three that was LGBT+ made full hetero and the most straight made non-Binary(edit) is like a 360 spin for me Claw always seemed gay, and Draci gave Bi-curious vibes especially to Claw and her brother, but Frankie also been head over heels for guys she had no chemistry with
@@tristancarter4324 exactly. As a bi person I like seeing lgbt rep in children's media but... I grew up with all of the main characters in MH being cisgendered girls so it just doesn't feel right to suddenly make one of them trans just for brownie points.
@@kohakuhime7887 Well she Non-Binary its different from Trans. Anyway, from what we have seen yeah still this Frankie only works if you have no idea of original cause this don't seem official, ironically it is we will see if they do anything with it or just leave it as a weird fact like is their fashion going to reflect this will they be shipped with only males etc. and I don't feel it will this same bs as blind American girl dolls like idu. I know characters of sexualities for just sexuality is bad but it's a reason in some instances Frankie Non-Binary yet wears female clothes, presents female, and goes into world with a female attitude so this is only a steppingstone that goes nowhere, honestly smack in a face to LGBT+
EXACTLY Tired of people praising Mattel for being so innovative with Frankie, when they completely refused the actual LGBt characters when Garret was working.
I showed the hieroglyphics in Cleo's locker to my friend who's an archaeologist and fluent in hieroglyphics and she said they don't say anything unfortunately
"Why does Frankie know about pronouns but not what a high five is" It's almost as if we learn the most basic aspects of our identities before we are socialized in school and learn about larger culture. Which did your parents teach you first, your gender and pronouns, or a high five?
THANK YOU that argument was so frustrating to see. As an enby person "forced representation" is still representation in my eyes. People criticising decisions like this is just going to lead to less and less companies even giving it a shot in the first place. And honestly frankie would share stuff like that especially because she doesn't know basic social norms like what a high five is and would assume its normal for people to share their pronouns in an introduction of all things🧍♂️
That's a genuine question actually, I just know my parents definitely taught me how to give a high five first and fave not too manz fucks about the concept of gender
generally loving the character design changes except for lagoonas redesign cuz why? mh never had to appeal to the barbie rainbow and sparkles demographic before? so why now? it was the cool fashion and edgier look that drew in so many fans back in 2010/2012. also i wish they would keep the similar face scans for the dolls. i just want high quality and fierce details :)
I like a lot of the new changes from G3 so far, but oh god… Lagoona just hurts, her design looks so off and she doesn’t feel like a sea monster at all; just a rainbow mermaid. i mean it probably would’ve been cooler if they played into the piranha thing a bit more??? that would’ve been WAY more interesting and creative than the freaking rainbow fish
Yeah like Laguna has had pink in her hair before and that’s fine but her design doesn’t look like Laguna or a mermaid or a sea monster like… the OG designs you could tell or at least have an idea of what kind of monster everyone was based off their design. But you don’t have that with Laguna and that’s why I’m upset about it-it’s a poor choice on the design.
I think them changing Frankie to they/them makes a lot of sense especially how you pointed out that they are made up of different people's parts. With that being said, I think the pronoun introduction thing was weirdly presented in the context we're given thus far. If they wanted to have Frankie state they use those pronouns they could've maybe had them say something like between classes? Like one of the others could've said see you later girl and Frankie could've kindly corrected them. Just seems more natural to me. Just my 🪙🪙
@@Aisha_Luv yeah maybe but it's just hard to get used to, even if you have nothing against it 🤷 and it kinda feels like they could've just made a new character that was enby? (frankie might still be a girl that uses they/them but idk) or just have clawdeen who's supposed to be a lesbian actually date a ghoul to have some representation yk? edit: spelling
I didnt realize it seemed a bit weird since in my highschool when you do introductions you say your pronouns and something about you. I do see how it is a bit odd.
what I find weird about all the movies is that Frankies scareatage is not entirely represented, she doesn't have an accent even tho she has a foreign scaretage. The story of Frankenstein originated from Germany, so she would have a German accent, but she obviously doesn't have one. That could have different reasons tho. 1 nobody knows where Frankenstein comes from and never looked it up so they assumed it's American, or 2 Frankie never learned German from her parents (or was never in Germany) so she just doesn't have one.
6:31 the bed actually makes me think of her room in the monster high pilot from years ago. Her bed was just a long flat operating table that could seesaw back and forth and her alarm clock was hooked up to it and would electrocute her awake when it went off.
I think the way Frankie introduced themself was kinda cringe, but at the same time very fitting for their character. Because Frankie is very socially awkward and naive, as well as oblivious to social constructs. Hence why they didn’t know what a high five was and the way they introduced themself.
It's not cringe at all, you're just being judgmental and hating on trans ppl for existing and trying to ensure more people gender themselves correctly. I introduce myself like that sometimes, and people are chill with it. We need to normalize introductions like that so that trans people and people who use different pronouns than societally expected can feel safe and actually have a peace of mind. Get off your transphobic bullshit and get a grip of yourself. The world has bigger problems than how a person chooses to introduce themselves, especially if it's with pronouns and their gender. I've seen a lot of people who introduce themselves with their pronouns, it's not a special or unique circumstance. As a trans man, the amount of transphobia in this comment section is disappointing but unsurprising. Transphobes are losers.
It’s not cringe. As a non binary person it’s disrespectful you think introducing yourself with your pronouns is cringe. This is how it works ?: Hi! I’m ???, My Pronouns are They/Them! ?: Hello! Im ???, Im a She/her! That’s how it was said.
@@essie4147 it’s not necessarily because they introduced themself with their pronouns, it was more of the presentation. The way they did it felt kinda forced, which is what made me cringe a little. I never said introducing yourself with pronouns was cringe. I’m sorry if I disrespected you in any way.
@@wildmoonchild9404 it literally just felt like they were doing an introduction in the class... Those are always gonna be awkward and forced feeling because they ARE
@@essie4147 you realize not everyone wants to use pronouns to begin with. Like y'all base your whole life and personality on a pronoun and then there's the majority of us that don't care what we're referred to. So yes it was cringe and it will always be cringe.
18:20 no, you shouldn’t go with it with a bisexual mind. clawdeen was a canonical lesbian before this live action was even a thing, and making her have a male love interest instead of having her being a lesbian is erasing the little lesbian representation that we, lesbians, barely have. while you talk about frankie being non-binary and that it’s nice to introduce a trans character to a younger audience so they can relate, you should talk about how clawdeen is a lesbian and many young lesbians would feel represented by her if they saw the movie, that of course, if she wasn’t forced to have a love interest that’s a male. i’m still a big anti of any MH reboot (including the “welcome to monster high” movie) because i think it’s genuinely fucked to try to make money off peoples childhoods and not expect them to be mad about it. specially, if it’s done in a bad and cheap way.
Where are you getting the Clawdeen is a cannon lesbian? It’s just a popular head-canon which was never confirmed to be official. In the og webisodes you see Clawdeen liking boys but I wouldn’t mind if she liked girls too. Personally I see her as ace (which hardly there is any representation) for her lack of dating. I miss my ghoul being independent tbh!!! 😩 she inspired me to follow my dreams and put dating aside since a little girl. Cliche to see the main girl get a crush from a guy so quickly, I thought that was Frankie’s thing.
@@roxanne_ it's because of an Instagram post by the designer of the OG Monster High dolls. On national coming out day (Oct. 11 2021, meaning he no longer worked for Mattel or MH at the time) he used the tag #/ClawdeenIsALesbian as a nod to when he stated that while it was *never* the intention for her to be, he liked the fancannon that she was a lesbian. Everyone just took that to be confirmation, despite most canonical instances of her romantic situations were either directed at boys (Like when Draculaura set her up with her cousin Thad and she finds him attractive) or just no interest at all.
Sexuality The original creator confirmed on Instagram that they tried to give hints to Clawdeen being gay, but was always told that it wasn't the time. The initial idea was that she just wasn't boy crazy, but as time went on they decided to embrace it. This is in the wi-ki and I think clawdeeen as lesbian aromantic would be a good representation of lgbtqa+! And the fact that they made clawdeen bisexual make my heart broken, I hope they changed it like sonic
Honestly, I'm not bothered by some of the changes they've made to Lagoona, like the Piranha teeth or the new Latin origins, since Both Piranhas and the Gil-Man, the monster Lagoona is based on, come from South America (The Amazon to be specific) what I'm not a big fan of is that they made Lagoona Cleo's lackey. OG Lagoona was a sporty girl with a heart of gold, and new Lagoona appears to be the Gretchen to Cleo's Regina.
@@flaviolau4610 damn, I didnt know that but like why did they replace her with Lagoona? Ghoulia and Cleo is such a Duo but Lagoona?? I would never seen that coming
Personally, this movie won’t be for me. Lagoona and Clawdeen have been changed just a tad bit too much for me and the relationships that they’re hinting at are terrible matchups. Now abt Frankie because I have a pretty realistic idea for them. I agree with most of the comments about Frankie not knowing what a high-five is but knowing about their pronouns at 15 days old. So, I think that they should have another character in the show who’s non-binary, even if they’re a new character or a teacher. Frankie meets them, they explain a little about their pronouns and then Frankie adopts the pronouns when they realize that’s what they feel like! This is coming from a non-binary person btw. That’s how I came to find mine. For a long time I was going by he/him instead of she/her but they didn’t feel right, then I learned about non-binary from someone I went to school with. I now go by they/them. I’m sure plenty of other people have had a similar experience with pronouns or even sexuality. Frankie finding their pronouns like this would lead to a more natural way of them finding things out and a more detailed explanation to people who don’t know what non-binary means prior to the movie, -cough-kids-cough-
I’m like, 70-30. I love the music, I love Draculaura’s split hair, and I can accept this version of Frankie being nonbinary (as they’re made of different parts, so it makes sense), and I appreciate the actors (who were obviously cast to be the best portrayals of THESE versions of the characters) being fans of the OG series. However, from a Monster High “brand” standpoint, they built a empire on the fact these dolls/characters WERE so different. They were always about not conforming to cater to others, with fierce current trendy high fashion outfits. I know it’s for a new generation and not really for older fans, but even kids these days know of OLD Monster High, and loved it. The first reboot made them far too childish, and while this reboot feels like a slight step in the right direction, it still looks/feels too childish for what Monster High is supposed to be, in my personal opinion. Honestly Shadow High’s giving more Monster High than Monster High lately 😂 If the leaked dolls are true, then the new line looks VERY Barbara. Which isn’t a good thing. If they had stuck with the Haunt Couture style/quality but for playline, you KNOW they’d make back all their lost money for the past 6 years. I love Mattel and their brands but these past years have been rough. 😓
I missed this whole thing happening up until now, lol. Been seriously out of the Monster High loop. I’m totally here for NB Frankie. The presentation is a little clunky, but the fact it’s being presented at all is awesome, and I’m really looking forward to that. I’m not so much here for Non-Blue Lagoona though. I think the new design is cute, but it just doesn’t read sea-monster. It’s tie-dye mermaid at best which is cute but it’s not Lagoona Blue. This new Lagoona design feels like a completely different character who just happens to share her name. I’ll give her a chance though because the design doesn’t always make-or-break a character in movies, but if they change her chill vibe I won’t be very happy… it DEFINITELY isn’t a doll I’d buy, though. Also… as much as the hints at Clawdeen and Draculara make me excited… Clawdeen and Deuce… is a hard no from me. Same for Cleo and Heath. Appreciating possibly Bi Clawdeen, though. But I will give new Lagoona and the live action movie the benefit of the doubt with a hesitant watch. The plot sounds interesting, so… hopefully it turns out to be better than we think.
I definitely think there’s a thin line on good representation in media, one good example of Trans representation is Raine from The Owl House (excellent show, great characters, definitely a treat for the lgbtq+ community, and highly recommend) Raine was confirmed as Non-binary and goes by they/them pronouns, and the show does what it did best within not making the representation seeming forced. With Frankie, I love the concept of them being canonically transgender, I’m already STARVING for more representation like that in media, especially in this franchise considering that it’s something I grew up with. But the movies execution of it just didn’t click with me.
The monster high live action might not be the best mh movie but I’ll give it a chance I’m not gonna hold my hopes out tho there’s a lot of things in the movie that I wish they didn’t do like the costuming skin colors the accents among other thing but hey imma give it a chance
very much liking Draculaura's hair, but i think for her style they could have actually taken it to the top with the gothic instead of this "new trendy" style. They all look really similar now in outfits... I mean, more than before. There has to be something more UNIQUE in patterning the clothes or SOMETHING. Does anyone else feel this way and cant quite put a finger on what it is?
Im literally crying. I've been obsessed with Monster High my whole life and watch all your monster high videos. WHY did they change EVERYTHING I LOVED about monster high
I always loved the idea of nonbinary Frankie, to me it just made more sense (especially since they’re made of different limbs and body parts put together…i mean they definitely could be a mix of male/female and not feel completely in the binary)….but the straight forward way they introduced them is kinda strange…no hate to anyone who is open enough to give out their pronouns when introducing themselves but considering Frankie is brand new to the world…it is weird that they’d have the vocabulary to voice their identity. I just wish it was either 1. Everyone just automatically refers to them as “they” or 2. Maybe Frankie makes an offhand comment about not feeling binary/ wanting to be referred to “they”. Either way i see it as a win for queer monster high fans. It’s something new while also being realistic to their character imo
It's not weird at all. I've introduced myself with my pronouns multiple times. And tons of trans ppl and gnc ppl do that too. Even cis people have done it before.
@@akirakhan4790 I'm trans too but I've just never been one to introduce myself with my pronouns. Again, no disrespect to you or anyone else who does it but for me personally growing up where i did, it just seems like an odd thing. But that's kinda the point ig, having Frankie introduce themselves like that would probably speak to younger queer people who do those types of things. Again everyone's different, so although them introducing themselves like that would be enough for other people, i would've just like to have seen something more in character rather than so straight forward!
@@akirakhan4790 I've been asked my pronouns and I've introduced myself with them at times. Honestly, I just think "How does Frankie know at 15 days old" 🤣
I just wish lagoona was still Australian there was no need to change that . If they wanted more representation they could’ve hired an aboriginal actress and explored their culture considering she’s from the great scarrier reef
im glad frankie is going to be nonbinary representation but also its a little sus that they decided to not have frankie be the main character. almost like its "safer" for them to have a nb side character instead of a main character
I just want to say as someone who has been asked to introduce myself with my preferred pronouns, it does happen. Just because someone hasn’t had to doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. As for the Clawdeen/Deuce relationship, just cause Clawdeen is in a straight-passing relationship doesn’t mean that she’s straight. She could be bi or pan or maybe she just hasn’t figured out that she’s a lesbian yet. Also Lagoona looks like Danse from 80s Jem and the Holograms and I love that for her.
the problem to me is that they are changing so much about the story in a cheap attempt to get brownie points. To me, Frankie being NB is so performative to me. They could've added a new NB character instead of just sloppily slap a LGBT label on an existing character for the sake of it. Clawdeen was already confirmed as a lesbian by the creator so why did they make her straight? Why was Draculaura asian? As an asian person this does not feel genuinely inclusive it feels forced. A better way would've been to bring back CANON asian characters like Kiyomi and Jinafire. There's just so much I hate about the choices the producers made on this movie, no hate to the actors just doing their job though. Edit; Clawdeen wasn't confirmed lesbian but she was queer-coded and the creator just said he approved of clawdeen being lesbian. Regardless, it's still a better choice imo to make clawdeen queer if the producer's goals were for representation.
I think Frankie being nb is ok as some others have pointed out- they were made with male and female parts. It was done for brownie points and feels a bit forced but nonetheless isnt that bad. Clawdeen was never confirmed to be a lesbian, the creator just said he liked the fan’s headcanon. Putting her in a relationship with Deuce was weird tho. They shouldve just let her do her own thing and be independent like in the original and let fans have their headcanons. And yeah Draculaura becoming asian was weird. Also weird how they went out of their way to make sure cleo’s actress was middle eastern but cast an asian for drac.
My whole thought is I really love the set and the music, but they changed the characters so drastically that I don't recognize the characters as who they once were anymore because their whole lore/backstory changed. And so did their personality. I'm going to really miss the old monster high from my opinion because they expressed a lof of fear we had to be ourselves. They still aim for that "Be yourself" motto. I'm going to miss Clawdeen being her own firece and independent self. She had ups and downs, but she's always been the head strong one. This series feels like they might take out Claud and Howleen from what I"m feeling
Going in with a positive mindset tbh! I’m going on 20 this year and I’ve grown up on monster high and hearing Frankie be nonbinary made me smile so happily and feel extremely validated. Its something little me would’ve absolutely loved to hear as I’ve always fought with myself about my identity. Also, I’m truly hoping the writers use this as an opportunity to make Deuce and Clawdeen’s interests with each other more of an experimental one. From what I’ve always gathered from the OG monster high, Cleo and Deuce??? Can’t be separated. So why would they change that now? Every time they break up, they get back together; I truly don’t think that’s going to change. Clawdeen still has the possibility of being lesbian or bisexual. Finding your interests isn’t linear and these characters are high schoolers still learning what floats their boats lol I’m really excited as to what the possibilities can come from this reboot Also? Im gonna be that person praying that Jackson and Holt come back! I think I’d explode
i feel like i can like and appreciate monster high and monster high nick movie as two different things. different characters and story. just like we know a hundred cinderella stories, or even eah vs. descendants. if i separate things, i think the movie can be very enjoyable. just watching it with an open mind 💜 btw do you think draculaura is too out of character? i mean she seems kinda sassy on the trailer but when i rewatch the websodes it doesn't feel that off lolll
I feel exactly the same way!!! As long as others enjoy the movie and brings in new fans to enjoy Monster High, and pursue it more like the older generation- then it’s a win
I definitely agree as there’s moments where I can see myself enjoying the movie by itself, but then I remember it’s Monster High. So, I’m trying to look at this whole thing from a different point of view 😅
Honestly I’m kind of mad that her character kind of seems a bit sassy or rude because Draculaura in the original movies is the definition of a bubbly, silly, and caring character. Although I can’t judge a book by its cover since I am only going if a 1:32 second long trailer.
As someone who's been to an admittedly VERY liberal high school and college, yeah sometimes for 1st days of class we all go around and do names and pronouns. Hell I've done it for clubs, and honestly its made me feel a lot less awkward introducing myself as using they/them. Frankie has been one of my fav characters as a kid and seeing them now also be nb is amazing to see. I also think this was a well thought out decision to make Frankie specifically nb with a lot of trans people relating to the og Frankenstein story. Someone also pointed it out but it makes sense that Frankie would introduce a very important part of themselves in a very direct way, like you're 2 weeks old how else are you gonna tell people this. My love goes out to the actor and all the other lovely people working on the film.
Thank you for such a detailed and full review on the movie. It's pretty apparent that Mattel has totally dropped OG fans, though, and this film is so different that it should not bear the name monster high in my opinion (there's got to be some intellectual property infringement somewhere across the board). Mad props to the hacker who probably was an original fan and did the right thing.
I feel like every time they try to reboot the series it flops. The only people that are going to buy the dolls are older doll collectors and all enthusiast and people that like dolls because with inflation no parent is going to try and buy their child a $35-$40 doll that isn’t even as detailed as the old dolls used to be. They just need to do a revival for the original fans.
I’m planning on skipping the live action movie, let the new kids have it.. I prefer our ghouls they way they were introduced to the world .. I saw leaked photos of the movie dolls/ merchandise , and it’s a no on that as well…I hope Nickelodeon has success with it, but as an adult collector it’s not for me.
Personally I’m open to some of the new ideas that their bringing more representation, but like people are saying the way Frankie introduced themselves was kinda random but I’m okay with it. Anyway I will miss the original monster high but I do like how it looks and the animated series is still to come and we don’t really know the plot so I still have hope. But I’m still off about pink lagoona. Overall I think we all need to chill and just see what’s to come. Tbh I’m okay with it
Eh Frankie being enby sorta annoyed me. It's like saying that just because frankie is artifically created being, they aren't really capable of assigning themselves as a specific gender. I'm non binary myself with they/them pronouns. I just think they chose the wrong character to make non binary. Especially since cartoon frankie was supposed to be a strong female who was feminine yet still strong therefore breaking gender stereotypes and the mary sue sorta thing where they make the strong girl masculine/overly cool. It's just annoying to see one of the only feminine woman characters who is strong, being completely changed from their identity and original idea.
As someone who grew up with G1's dolls and movies I'm ALWAYS going to have a preferred bias for them. However I wish the next generation good luck! I don't hate Lagoona's design or reboot. I love Bloodgood's new concept! And really love the representation they're throwing in, not a lot but some still. I'll probably never get to see the movie but I hope things go well from here!
lagoona looks like a crazy fanatic for rainbow high. It's unfortunate that they don't respect the essence of the characters, I know it's a reboot but it would be nice if they made them more realistic in their roles
I want more dolls from the original series!! Like have this rebrand as there main source of income but the og MH as ah alternative lineup. They could also do a live action EAH too & revival for this. I don't want a EAH reboot, I want revivals
1. Non binary Frankie makes sense but it still feels performative hearing how Mattel treated the gay creator who wasn’t allowed to have openly lgbtq+ characters because it wasn’t the “right time”. 2. I think it would’ve been better to have clawdeen be lesbian and have romance with Frankie or Draculaura. 3. I don’t like how they portray ghoulia in the trailers I’ve seen. In G1 she was smart and a little timid to me, nonverbal in a way, but now it looks like she’s been made into the “weird girl” which is sad. 4. It’s weird for lagoona to have human skin color when she’s supposed to be from the water. Her pink redesign is cute, but unrecognizable and I think it would’ve been more fun if her pink design was her sister and we got a new character. 4. I really wonder what Hyde holt would’ve looked like in this reboot and I hope they bring him back. Maybe I should be careful what I wish for though because Heath’s design in the animation looks horrid. 5. So far abbey’s outfits look the cutest and I’m glad she’s in the movie. I kinda wish a black girl played her though because I always thought abbey was black when I was younger. Mostly because her nose was kinda like mine and her sense of style.
I genuinely want to cry for what they did every aspect is a nightmare! they took the worst fanfic idea and be like "This is it! We gonna do a live action with these ideas" The reboot was stil salvagable, stil had a chance to be good… and they do this… just last night I was remembering the MH fanfic I never got to finish, thinking the franchise was sinking into obscurity… and I discover this today. And a sign of what a TERRIBLE idea it is, is that the comments on the trailer video are off, because they know we wll point out ow much of spineless sell outs they are and every stupid decision made a small part of my heart is DYING… worst, this looks like those Disney Channel movies. I don't even know if i can find the strength to rant about all I hate about because it is that painful. Is ludicrous this hurts me so bad, yet it does, because I really liked these characters, the series as a whole, and now they're just another mascot for the unholy woke agenda, and I want to scream til my troat bleed online, knowing nothing will change, but to lessen my poin… but I can't just yet…
I'm actually pretty excited for the live action movie. I will admit that it isn't perfect (like the costumes, the accents not being there, and everything else) but I'm willing to give it a chance. Plus the fact that people are mad about Frankie being non-binary is pathetic.
i don’t really care for the designs of most of them, the changes of the chacters/story, but it’s okay. it’s for younger chacters and while i wish it was more true to the og series it’s whatever (although if clawdeen has super vision and wolf ears, why does she have glasses and what are they connected to?) but i do really love they idea of frankie using they/them i really don’t like clawdeen and duces designs though. they are ones i really cannot stand. cleos lack of wrappings and lagoona’s total change of design, even heaths is one i don’t care for.
@@PGOuma Transphobic? Transphobia is a prejudice towards people who has transitioned to the other gender. According to "nonbinary" people, being "nonbinary" is rejecting gender as a construct. By definition it isn't a gender, but an absence of gender. Therefore, it's impossible to be transphobic towards a "nonbinary" person because they supposedly don't have a gender in the first place.
I feel like a great example of how big of a factor nostalgia plays in is strawberry shortcake. I don’t know if any of you have seen strawberry shortcake. But the original show is from the 80s. I had no idea it was from the 80s I apparently had been watching a remake from the early 2000s as a kid. Then later watching the ones from the 2010s I’m both equally nostalgic for the 2000s and 2010s versions. But I couldn’t imagine watching the one from the 80s or the new remake that’s happening right now. And I have to admit they both look bad. Sometimes it’s your nostalgia people! Sometimes it’s not don’t get me wrong. But it does play into a lot of what you like. If I had grown up with the 80s version I probably would’ve liked that way more than the 2000s one
I definitely agree with you. I love strawberry shortcake, I also grew up with the 2000's and 2010's one and I like both of them. I also like the 80's one bcuz I like old stuff, but the newer versions just seem a little off to me
I'm curious what you'd think if you started investing into the 80's version if you'd prefer that version of the story over the one you grew up with which is early 2000's
I personally will not be watching this movie. As a day 1 monster high fan I can't stand to see how they've ruined such an amazing franchise. The only thing I can applaud them for is making frankie non-binary since that makes the most sense considering her being made of many random parts. Other than that they took something many fans once loved and trampled it till there was nothing left of the freaky fabulous ghouls we grew up with. Also the "segregation aspect" between ghouls and humans in this story seems unnecessary and the plot basically being them hunting down the "Not pure monster" seems almost like a racial thing? Idk that part doesn't sit right with me
i have sooo many thoughts but my biggest one atm is that Lagoona seems to be based on piranhas and The Creature from the Black Lagoon which are both from the Amazonian Rainforest and so her actress being Colombian is an even more awesome detail! Some South American representation for fans is super cool. And this is coming from an Australian btw. Im a little sad she wont have her Aussie accent anymore but i think this is a way better angle to take her character for this generation and pay homage to her classic horror origin. Plus if we were to get an Australian character i would rather they were an Indigenous Australian rather than a blonde white person because they are the traditional owners of this land and are NOT represented enough in media, especially in fashion dolls.
i don’t really care for the designs of most of them, the changes of the chacters/story, but it’s okay. it’s for younger chacters and while i wish it was more true to the og series it’s whatever (although if clawdeen has super vision and wolf ears, why does she have glasses and what are they connected to?)
Don't forget not all Aboriginal Australians are dark and have dark hair, these a big problem in Australia schools with young Aboriginal kids with light skin being told their not black enough. Alot of people do see Lagoona as an Aboriginal Australian so I think they have an right to be upset But in all It's great that lagoona has a new target audience and I hope it lives up to that new expectation
I’ve been trying really hard to give the new movie a chance. I feel like they killed Lagoona though because they changed her so much! They should’ve done it with new characters/ new names instead of destroying the originals. And Clawdeen dating boys? No! I’m still going to try to watch it when it comes out to see it as the artists who created it intended. And I’m glad they added a non-binary character. But I don’t think I’ll ever see this as Monster High. I’ll think of it as a musical released in MH world by someone who met them all once and knows little about them. The og characters walk out of the theatre laughing or rolling their eyes after watching- still as they always were.
I think overall, we all need to remember that this is for kids! The more they shout Frankie's pronouns from the rooftops, the more real life kids will feel like it's a normal and comfortable thing to do. Why be subtle and in the shadows when trans people have had to do that for decades? Children don't need subtlety, they need to feel like they belong. I think it's fantastic
Exactly! That's going to be amazing to the kids that don't really feel like either boys or girls. They will see that's OK to be themselves and all, and the other kids will learn that being like this is just fine and normal and won't exclude them as much It's not that I don't think this is partially being done for the publicity, but I can't ignore how awesome this is going to be for non binary kids anyway
@@akane2002 a 7 year old? if they that young’s then kids shouldn’t even be worried abt things like that i get that people have pronouns and respect it but if ur like seven that sounds so dumb
I personally don't understand why the would choose to do this with specifically Clawdeen since there's already a character that is half human half monster. It would've been fun to that character to bring back or introduced as a new student that the main case can help fit it or try to keep the secret for.
When I was younger and the original monster high was out i used to go to target and buy a doll with my birthday and Christmas money and when boo York boo York the musical came out my parents got it for Christmas they let us open it early we stayed up all night watching it over and over again I used to love spending time with my sisters watching monster high movies playing with the dolls. It always made me smile that’s why even tho the new movie looks a bit different from what I’m used to I’m willing to try it so that I can make new memories that make me smile even brighter :)
I think one thing people have to remember is that a reboot doesn't retroactively take away from the original. The 2010s dolls, books, movies, lore, etc. still exist! If you prefer 2010 Frankie, cool! She's still right there for you to love. Personally my enby self is excited to love both / all versions the same (except maybe G2. Cuz like... Yeah.)
Im nonbinary too and personally for me they just try too much. With all the gender neutral stuff and new logos like its not that they are bad it’s just that they lack the original. Because when i was a kid i didn’t even care about it being girly or sth it was just cool the way it was. But that’s personal i don’t really hate it. The biggest issue for me is that they made actors look cheap again just like in all mvs and promotion videos like they always did. Why not whow kids how to actually look good or actually show alternative subculture and fashion instead of doing cheap chaotic looks
Yeah, we know that... but in my opinion honestly not everything needs a reboot especially Monster High if you're not gonna do it right😂... this show was unique compared to other shows and they made it into your average new Disney live action descendants kind of movie.. even though descendants might even be better than this.
@@user-js3ig5zo8v Who’s to say what’s “right” though? Just because it doesn’t appeal to your preferences? Because it’s not the same as the last go-round? I’m a Power Rangers fan; that show has seen more reboots and network switches than anything I can think of. If a season doesn’t appeal to me, I don’t say “oh, why weren’t the creators thinking of me and my tastes specifically!” Or “why isn’t this exactly like the seasons I enjoy!” You can choose to ignore this whole movie! If nothing else, it’ll bring new people into the fandom, and they’ll be able to check out the old material for themselves. I apologize if all of this sounds mean; I’m not trying to be! I just want people to understand that not everything is going to be made for your tastes, and it’s up to you whether or not to engage.
@@cameronroleplays876 I'm sadly NOT going to read all of that. I clearly stated "IN MY OPINION" No, it isn't in my preference and it looks cheap, forced & shitty. 😁
I'm definitely open-minded to the movie despite some grievances, like losing out on Cleo and Deuce. I don't mind Frankie being trans either, just the way that specific line was written sounded very awkward. A lot of people were also scared of this being a musical, but the last time MH had a musical (Boo York), it was a major bop so quite excited for the soundtrack at least.
This movie is an insult. Whoever developed this obviously has no idea who these characters are or what Monster High is all about. Me and my daughter loved these movies and dolls. I bought every movie and had well over 100 dolls. We were devoted fans. Everything changed when they started making the dolls different. They looked cheap with less of the beautiful details that made them so unique and beautiful. What I’m seeing in this trailer is the biggest slap in the face to fans of the franchise. The characters look ridiculous. I really didn’t think it could be this bad but it’s worse than anything I could’ve imagined. The actual trailer, the official trailer has its comments turned off! That says a lot. No one who is a true fan of Monster High can look at this and be anything but disgusted.
I think it's really weird how transphobic people are being about Frankie and their actor. Like fans 'support trans people' until one of their favorite characters or the actor playing them turns out to be trans... The whole movie might be kind of a flop but the fans who are being weird and toxic need to shut up honestly
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This was A LOT to explore…What are your thoughts on the movie so far based on trailers? Are you LIVING or are you DYING? What characters do you hope they bring back and what do you expect of the upcoming dolls?
Loving the cosplay 😀 I actually can't wait!! Idk where I'm gonna watch it but I guess I'm living 😊
I'm also just wondering if they sing themselves and maybe they add some more characters from og franchise? 😅 your cosplay of dracualura is amazing 👏 😍 ❤️
Loving the cosplay!! If the movie doesn’t satisfy me at least your videos will! 🥰😍❤️💕
Hi bae it’s the leaker x
definitely dying, it gave Nickelodeon’s attempt at disney descendants. i feel like this had so much potential to be iconic but it’s just cringey and sad. the songs have the most basic lyrics that you could think of if you were free styling at karaoke night, not to mention they sing in cursive. this movie looks like another nickelodeon flop.
I honestly love it so far, I'm more worried about the dolls but I really hope they bring back spectra and venus!
Not only is Deuce x Clawdeen a thing now, but they also teased Cleo x Heath??? Who the hell is in charge of the romance in this movie?
I always thought Cleo and Deuce were the couple that was going to last forever in the series. They loved each other a lot, (as seen in Boo York and countless episodes of the webseries) so why change a couple that is clearly in love?
Also, I thought Abby and Heath were a couple or at least interested in each other.
@@sweethistortea Me too, the og series kept on showing time and time again how much Cleo and Deuce were meant for each other, only for this movie to give us the tomfoolery that is Deuce x Clawdeen...
Also, Abbey x Heath had really nice chemistry going on, so why did they decide to pair Heath up with Cleo of all people?? Maybe I'm wrong and the Cleo x Heath thing is just like... A rumor, or a crush that one of the characters has, or even another past relationship of Cleo, but it's still not a good look.
@@Ros7698 Cleo would never have dated Heath in the original. Heath was a goofball and very childish, whereas Cleo was always elegant and (somewhat) reserved.
Abby and Heath were friends and had a nice relationship, and that may have turned into something more had the original not gotten rebooted in 2016.
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If deuce and cleo were to break up, Deuce pairing up with Frankie, Heath, or Clawd makes a lot more sense to me than clawdeen
I couldn’t care less that Frankie’s non-binary. It actually makes sense since their composed of parts from different bodies. What I do hate is that Lagoona is no longer blue and Australian 😭
a lot of people said the accents in monster high were really bad and sometimes even offensive so i think it’s better that way.
@@jdinsomniac7504 what's wrong with the australian accent?
It was boo boo nasty come on now. Not offensive just very bad lol
@@jdinsomniac7504 simple solution: cast an actual australian 👍🏼
@@jdinsomniac7504 I never saw Lagoonas accent as offensive.
The two big things that annoy me is the creators ignore the lore of werewolves. A werewolf is a human who turns into a wolf during the full moon. Toralei is a werecat so it doesn’t make sense that Clawdeen is hiding being “half human” when she’s a werewolf. Second why is magic forbidden now when they’ve always had witches in the original and witches are closer to monster world including Casta. I also wish accents were included, it makes the world much more bigger.
Yeah ikr? I also thought that they were accepting humans like they even had human friends??? I thought they got over the whole we hate humans
@@321hackertime5 Well they did grow out of their disdain for humans, but that was a prior "reality" in a sense. As a reboot, none of that happened in this reality. It's like starting over from the first original Monster High films story.
There was also an animated reboot in 2016, but the creation of that school was WAAAAAAY way different than the original reality and this live action reality.
Tbh I’m sad about Lagoona; as an Australian little girl always seeing American sounding voices everywhere, having an Australian character (although sometimes a lil cliché) was refreshing. Really hoping lagoona wont become some boring semi-background character
haha, ‘refreshing’
(fresh water lagoona reference)
As an Australian myself I always thought it would be awesome if there was a Bunyip or the Rainbow Serpent. There are so many mythical creatures from around the world Monster High has never shown.
@@sweetsea3607 100% yea! that would've been so so cool to a little me lol
@@sweetsea3607 yessss
Exactly! I love OG lagoona
I know a lot of people seem to be comparing this to Descendants, but can we talk about the similarities to Equestria Girls? From what I can tell, a new student enters another world through a portal, she runs afoul of the school bully/popular girl who just broke up with her boyfriend, the boyfriend then starts liking the new girl for literally no reason except plot. It seriously feels like they're trying to make Cleo into another Sunset Shimmer.
I do like dis theory nd equestria girls nd MH are actually kinda da same
I've never seen Equestria Girls but now I have to watch this movie so I can better understand! Thank you so much for sharing this
Omg yes!!
Now that you said that i can really see it lol
@@Clawdeena9 do yourself a favor, watch a summary (or a "bronies react" video) of the first one, and skip to the second one, this is ment to be non ironic advice by the way 😅😅😅
There is a lot about this new live action movie that I really don’t like, but can we all agree that theses actors are definitely not to blame for the decisions made by Nickelodeon and Mattel. Each one of them gave it their all. Even if the movie is terrible I have nothing but love for its cast and crew. I understand wanting to make changes for a new generation of fans. Though when you piggy back off of brand recognition if you change to much you‘ll lose old fans with the possibility of not gaining enough new ones. It’s a very delicate balance few properties have done successfully.
I agree, I generally feel like they butchered it. especially with the casting and representation, ofc it's not the actor's fault tho but like, but how hard is it to find a brown skin black girl to play clawdeen? you can watch any of the monster high movies and see where the characters are from and figure out what they might look like. as a kid clawdeen use to be one of my favorite characters because I almost never saw any characters with darker skin at my age, characters that looked like me!, for example, the character Jinafire Long is Chinese or Skelita Calaveras who is Mexican. and putting clawdeen and deuce together is just wrong. also like how they took away Draculaura's nice, happy personality. or how they made ghoulia talk even though she's mute. everything is just so wrong..
@@lovenoelani I agree with you. They even changed the storyline which it's what it seems through the trailer! And changed characters like lagoona!
I just know that the actors in this movies careers will be ruined. No I’m not talking about getting casted but sorta like the what the kissing booth did to joey aka people will think these actors are odd or cringy or bad just because creators of movies don’t know what there doing
THIS, THIS! HOLY HECK THIS!!
I totally agree, and I like that cast is full of smaller names and I know that they put their all into the movie. It’s not the cast that I don’t like, the cast is great, it’s the changes and directions that I don’t like. But I do think that the actors did do a great job with the music and acting.
i’m gonna say something that might be quite controversial, but just bear with me.
nb representation is important, i’m all for it, but why make a character who was cis for decades, whom people referred to as the DAUGHTER of frankenstein, only used she/her suddenly non-binary?
again, i mean no harm, i just simply think introducing a whole new non-binary character would be the better option here. i’m also considering the fact people who won’t watch the movie/ haven’t watched yet, might still refer to frankie as a “she”, which might cause a few arguments later..
the fact clawdeen is straight and hetero? wtf????
her siblings being gone = wtf?
ghoulia now speaks???
draculaura, originally a vegetarian, sweet vampire is now a rude ass witch who ain’t even vegetarian?
hell nawwwww
no hate to the actors or the crew, they most likely had little to no say in it and did their best.
While i do agree that making a new character to be nonbinary would have been good, as a trans person i can see how making an old one nonbinary still makes sense. When i was younger, i didnt know i was trans. I was still going by she/her pronouns, i was a daughter, etc. But then i found out that i was trans and now i can recognize myself as a man. Just because Frankie was cis before doesnt mean they cant be trans now! Its a discovery process. Changes are inevitable.
@@hellboy3024 i don’t think that was her point really but i get it
Also the fact that lagoona literally looks like an Oc and is a completely different ghoul
There were so many lgbt+ canon original characters they could’ve included but they decided to change something that had been canon for years and turned it into something else. It feels like a throw away inclusion to me. I’m Trans, and I feel uncomfortable by the whole introduction interaction between Frankie and Claudeen
@@azazazz099 in the beginning they said that Frankie was a girl for decades and that suddenly they got changed to nonbinary. I was simply saying that not every character has to start off trans, and that they can find themself over time. There was no main point in what they said, as they commented about multiple things in the live action, lmao.
This really trumps all retcons. They said “We’ll do whatever the hell we want and you’re gonna like it.” I like a gender neutral Frankie, but if they really wanted that half-human half monster subplot, Jekyll and Hyde was literally right there. 🫣 They could’ve kept Clawdeen a lesbian. And Cleo and Deuce are damn near just as synonymous as Barbie and Ken were. If you needed a witch, they LITERALLY created Casta and could’ve just pushed Casta to be a part of the main crew if they needed a witch to fill the quota. I’m not even about to get started on Lagoona. I actually do not like this at all…
To add to this comment, aren’t “witches” considered monsters? Like what happened to accepting everyone, “freaky flaws and all?” Saying that witchcraft is banned from monster studies is kinda…adverse to that message?
YES!!! I would have loved casta to make a appearance as the witch
I've never understood the need for reboots to change so many arbitrary things and expect people to like it. You know people liked monster high for a reason right?
True totally, i get some fresh changes but this belongs in a circus. The reason people are angry is not bc we are mad at changes but after so long and so many poorly made costumes for MVs and promotion… we just wanted to see actual good costumes and good representation of the characters and alternative fashion vibe. Like its not that we want it just to be us, we want kids to experience what we did! And how was it not controversial when MH came out and everyone loved the monster alternative vibe and now its like eh we have to make it for kids bc its too much… no it never was!
True totally, i get some fresh changes but this belongs in a circus. The reason people are angry is not bc we are mad at changes but after so long and so many poorly made costumes for MVs and promotion… we just wanted to see actual good costumes and good representation of the characters and alternative fashion vibe. Like its not that we want it just to be us, we want kids to experience what we did! And how was it not controversial when MH came out and everyone loved the monster alternative vibe and now its like eh we have to make it for kids bc its too much… no it never was!
I think the thing that irks me about Frankie's pronouns is that MH has had queer characters before: Kiyomi being sapphic, Clawdeen being a lesbian, Neighthan being pan, Valentine being gay, Toralei probably being a lesbian (because she follows Nefera a lot and honestly, it was suspicious that she wasn't affected by Kieran's charms). These characters were amazing for being queer though closeted--Clawdeen reacting to Draculaura preferring her brother over her, Kiyomi being soft and blushing around Draculaura, even Valentine battling his internalized homophobia... Those were deep and we explored their characters beyond their orientations, rather how they react to people around them (also, why is Draculaura always involved in those stories).
But for the reboot live-action, they introduced a non-binary character in the weirdest most strange and unnatural way possible... there was so much potential to introduce a queer character in a great way, but this was not it. A missed opportunity, really. As someone who is also non-binary, I don't know if I should be happy about it. In universe, it would make total sense for Frankie to be genderqueer, I mean, she does consist of the body parts of people who's genders can be mixed. I just wished she wasn't introduced like that. And no, it's not that I just want her to "stay quiet" about her identity, I just think there are much better ways to show it.
I would rather Clawdeen was finally revealed to be gay but one thing, the original MH did lack trans characters except for Gilda, but she was basically an unexplored NPC in the background.
Yeah I really hope they have more queer characters in this movie! I'm also nonbinary but I'm having a hard time understanding what's wrong with Frankie's introduction. I thought introductions like "Hi I'm [name] and [pronouns]" is fine?
@@Hyacinth8418 Then I guess it's my own personal disdain for pronouns then. I'm also genderqueer, but I really hate English and neopronouns nowadays. Not for others, but for me. They always always come out gendered for some weird reason. They/them in queer spaces doesn't even sound neutral, it just sounds like people pertaining to a "third gender", which irks me so much. I doubt English, even with its neopronouns, would ever have a truly singular gender neutral pronoun 😕
Also because no one really introduces themselves with pronouns irl, it's moreso an online thing. Or if done irl, it usually done in s more "Hi I'm __. I'm (insert achievement here), and I'm (insert what you want to be identified as). I'd prefer if you address me as (nickname) and with (pronouns) here." So "(Name+pronouns)" sound so unnatural to me because starting off with that gives me the impression that the personality and achievement are limited to pronouns. That being said, my age is probably showing
Kiyomi is a lesbian too
@@Hyacinth8418 cause Frankie has always been a girl why change it they could’ve just made a different character instead of messing with her
I think rather than introducing it out of the gate; it would be interesting to see Frankie, as they understand more about the umbrella that is gender identity and realize nb and they/them fit their identity better. Of course as it is it can also work, but the dialogue was awkward. Another easy way would be the teacher being like "please introduce yourself" and they can be like "my names Frankie, I'm Frankenstein child, I'm this age, I use they/them, I love fashion" and it would have been so much more natural, that's just how I feel tho.
May I just say the whole pronouns bit in the ad made me genuinely cringe with how forced it was. like it hurt.
It SCREAMED “LOOK. LOOK AT US!!! WE ARE TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE!!! 100%!! NOW GIVE US YOUR MONEY-“
There was literally no other reason to add this bit into the literal advertisement other then for money.
I love that they are adding a bit more of the community. But there’s no excuse to add that section into an advertisement. It perfectly encapsulates the fact that they simply want money from those in the community.
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(Just noting this. I’m in the lgbtq+ community before someone takes this wrong somehow lol)
Exactly how I feel about it like they added it into the add to say "HEY WE'RE WOKE BUY THIS" like the scene itself made me cringe because literally every one of my trans friends have literally just corrected me once. I get the kind of progression of just announcing it but I think it's even more awkward because we don't go "hi I'm Kayla she/they" it sounds like a social media bio 😭
@@kaylalezine2295 ikr 🤧
It’s the fact of if ANY other cis person said like “Heath Burns, Male, Pronouns He/Him” it would be weird to say that.
The only way it won’t be weird for Frankie saying that is if EVERYONE else in the class also introduces themselves like Frankie did.
EXACTLY THANK YOU
EXACTLY
I know it's a reboot but we deserve well-written characters that don't fall into clichés and an original plot (this plot looks like it came from Scooby-do)
No lol scooby-do doesnt deserve this hate
They made different versions of scooby and most of them were great even if weird like the mystery series
@@karolinedemon I don't hate Scooby-doo, I mean it's a typical school movie "that keeps a dark mystery within its walls", Sorry if I didn't make myself understood hahaha
@@GabbyFher no no im just kidding that ,,you dared to compare this to scooby’’ lol
@@karolinedemon Fair enough, Mystery Inc was great, but the live action films were mid at best imo
Honestly shocked how they say they're doing this for representation yet they put a biracial woman to play a darkskin black woman. And they put a Mexican actress to play an Egyptian character. No hate to the actresses, all criticisms to the developers.
And the accents too there's no accent their all just the same
I thought for Cleo she had a Pakistani actor played not a Mexican actor 😓
@@legendhero5666 it should have been neither… they should have stuck with an Egyptian actor.
@@Officially_Xavier Exactly!!!
@@legendhero5666 Egyptian actor dont get enough representation like Pakistani actors. Most egeyptisn in movie are portrayed by Europeans. European really put in their head that they are the one who build Egypt.
Ever since I found out about the movie and Frankie using they/them, in my head i knew there was logic in it but it just didn't seem right for Frankie until I realized why it didn't click for me. I personally think Frankie should still be non binary but with no preference to pronounces because they are a collection of many parts. I think it makes more sense for Frankie to not care because they are everything. But obviously that's just my opinion
OMG you get all my feeling!
Personally, Yes I understand why they pick Frankie being a non binary but I can't see them picking a pronounce, Frankie is a collection of many parts that I'm pretty sure she would be like "Why to pick? Let's do all of them!"
(Sorry my English)
I just don’t understand why make a female character non-binary all of a sudden? Like she’s my favorite and still is tbf this is just crappy representation
@@Tayy_Tayy ikrr, ugh i hate when shows do this it just ruins the whole thing
Mehh, Frankie is she/ her
If they wanted a non binary character then introduce a new one.
@@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967 fr
The rep that they are giving us feels forced and random, especially when they take away rep we already have.
Frankie being nonbinary makes sense, they were likely composed of both male and female parts and since they've only existed for a few weeks they wouldn't have the same concept of gender as everyone else. Probably wouldn't use the word nonbinary but they or even it pronouns works well.
Clawdeen and Deuce should not be a pairing. Clawdeen has always been a lesbian icon and it's been made clear she doesn't find men attractive often. Cleo and deuce should not break up but if they did I'd imagine Deuce would be more likely to hit on Clawd, or one of his guy friends. Cleo would never be into Holt either.
Ghoulia gave nonverbal/semiverbal rep to kids and for them to take that away is ridiculous. She's such an iconic, smart, loveable character with tons of personality even though she doesn't speak and that's important.
Monster High doesn't hate humans, humans hate monsters and all they want is to be able to live freely and peacefully. Monster High is about loving yourself and everything that makes you different, they wouldn't hate humans. Be afraid of them, a bit yeah, but for the most part it's humans that are stirring up trouble. I don't understand why this is becoming a thing.
There's so many ways they could've gone in terms of representation. I think having queer characters checks out but casual representation is more important than anything. Natural, normal, not a big deal. Disabled characters should be there too (again, Ghoulia, but also side characters like Gill count and Frankie having some issues walking or moving or whatever. Things like that.) I'm glad we have something but I'm disappointed too.
Clawdeen has never been a lesbian. Yes, the creator of Clawdeen said they liked the IDEA of Clawdeen being a lesbian, but canonically speaking, Clawdeen has shown romantic interest in several guys on several occasions in every generation.
The fact that you finished that thought saying Deuce should get w Clawd means you probs just want characters to be gay tho and are willing to ignore canon
Kids movies are often exaggerated and quite simple so I think Frankie introducing themselves the way they did as well.. making sense.
Plus, I feel like that one of the first things Frankie would hear, or be introduced to, would be their identity, because identity is important, while a high five isn't.
real!!
Nah it seems forced
@@k-mashup1144 okay
Heavily disagree
When the series was first created it already included LGBT characters and characters who were supposed to be LGBT, so it's not like it's a new thing for them and despite that Frankie is a completely female girl and that's how her parents built her and that's how they made her in the series
Aside from the fact that this whole thing feels very forced it also feels unrelated and just because talking about gender is trendy for the big companies (because sorry but kids aged 8 to 11 do not talk about these issues) and with all due respect to the actor why should he be preferred over any other girl that wanted to be Frankie? Part of Monster High part is to show girls power and to cast a man for the role of this main female character is To ridicule all this meaning, because here also in this place, a men enter and even now those who should be quiet and generalize and accept and agree to that these stuff are women whose rights and possibilities are violated and diminished again. It's definitely not fair.
If they were so eager to put in something like this they could invent a new character, not mess with a main character that Literally was born a week ago at the beginning of the series and its really but really does not make sense that she would know anything about gender and ways of addressing people.
Plus the parts that make up Frankie are from a different time period as far as I know and while self discovery is universal regardless of time period certain gestures aren't.. so it makes sense not to know what a high five is.. pronouns aren't some new discovery and the only reason it isn't documented is because alot of people were stigmatised and had to live in secrecy.. can you imagine finally being able to be yourself? You'd be excited too
I have no problem with Frankie being a non-binary person, I think it's great that there is LGBT representation in children's films, but I hate how it's implemented. It is not natural to say your pronoun AND gender identification in the classroom. In my opinion, the best representation of non-binary people is Rain from The Owl House. Their pronouns are implemented into the dialogue naturally and we are able to notice ourselves. Show don't tell. This showed me that the filmmakers don't think about the original fans who are older and know the term non-binary, but about kids. Overall, I see this movie as a cheap, nostalgic cash grab with no heart put into it
Why do they always have to think about the original fans? They’re already re-selling their original toys. I get what you’re saying about it seeming awkward, but this movie is a kids movie at the end of the day.
@@Lilly-to9hs the children are unlikely to be interested. they mostly sit in front of the computer, not the TV (I sound like a boomer). Besides, it is mostly the original fans who buy the dolls and support the franchise. And it looks cheap, even for a children's movie
@@Lilly-to9hs kids won't be interested
Fans will
Not really fucking true at all. I have introduced myself with my pronouns and gender in the classroom multiple times and it's actually pretty natural. Society just hates trans ppl and won't let us introduce ourselves in a healthy and safe space. Quite contributing to the stigma that it's "unnatural" and "weird" to openly discuss one's pronouns and gender in social settings. It's not weird at all and is something that should be more normalized. Get over yourself.
I would say that as a foreigner this seem to be a very American thing so I wonder how they’ll translate it 🤔 (in my language we only have he and she ) but I suppose their targets are probably Americans 😆
I’m all for gay and trans characters, and Frankie going by they/them would make sense due to being made out of multiple body parts but it feels wrong because they changed her. Frankie is one of my many favorite characters. I think they should’ve just created a new character all together and made them trans or non binary. I just wish they didn’t change the characters as much as they did
Honestly I think that they made Frankie non-binary to distract fans from the fact that they whitewashed Clawdeen and made her straight, when it is headcanon in majority of MH fan’s mind that she’s a lesbian
@@ShadowQ-de2mn while that could be a possibility I think they tried to “appeal” to the kids and went with a trans, non-binary persons expectations. They didn’t want to force a lgbtq+ member to “Act” as a female character when they, themselves, once identified as female. I’ve been in love with MH since before I turned 12 and I’m now 22. It’s so strange for all the characters to be changed. Lagoona is no longer blue and has violent side, Draculaura lost her accent and now does witchcraft, ghoulia speaks English and acts annoyingly dumb, clawdeen stole Cleo’s bf and doesn’t seem to care about fashion anymore, Frankie is non-binary, too dumb to know what a high five is but smart enough to know other worldly things, Cleo… idek what to say about Cleo. She was already a huge Bit$h but now she just seems like one of those annoying bullies who Jealous of the main character for no reason. And I won’t lie to you I hate Nickelodeon. I get it’s for kids but the directing for the acting and presentation is soooo bad it’s just cringe. It all sounds the same. Just copy and paste with a different theme. And they completely erased the fact that monster high represents acceptance in differences and flaws no matter who you are or where you came from. We’re all unique and have different dreams and hopes. Even in a world of monsters vs humans. No matter what you look like you are welcomed in our school of monster high! Nuff said
facts mann it just doesn’t feel right because canonically she wasn’t, they should’ve designed a whole nother character, i will always like the old MH bc this new one does not exist in my head bc uh uh 💀
@@2manyscars They Only Made Her Non-binary Because The Actor Is Non-binary-💀
@@PwkKelly bruh they should’ve just made a character for the non binary person wtf 💀💀
10:30 when it comes to branding, the bow is a must. Even more than 10 years later every time I see a skull with a hair bow I think of monster high! As far as aesthetically speaking idk about the bow as much but I prefer the split colors and patterns for sure
Same, it makes it seem that much more stylized as well.
Yea! Plus the skull had small lashes on it too! The different colors made it so much easier to recognize, without these easy features it just looks like a regular Halloween skull decor and not monster high-
Personally, Frankie introducing their pronouns wasn't something out of the ordinary for me. I've had plenty of classes/introductions where we share our pronouns right off the bat. Maybe the way they've done it in the movie could have been scripted a bit better (for example, someone refers to Frankie as "she" in passing and they quickly correct them and they all move on) but for a movie primarily aimed at kids, I'd say this is a pretty decent step forward.
I love to hear that you've had those types of progressive environments! I'm wondering if also because there's no context, maybe the teacher asks what Frankies pronouns/identity is before they introduce themselves?
@@Clawdeena9 Teachers asking students to introduce themselves with their names and pronouns (and of course a fun fact about yourself) is defo something I've experienced. Although I should also note that I live in the UK and I'm at uni, which allows for a more welcoming environment which wasn't really seen during my high school years. Hopefully, things have changed since then.
@@Badriyaishere Im in highschool in the USA and we do that as well
I feel like we should normalize introducing ourselves with our pronouns so people can't brush misgendering someone off as "I didn't know" and just show they're transphobic so we can stay away from those people
She doesn't even know how to high five yet
Considering Frankie was probably made with both male and female flesh, it actually makes sense.
One of the first things Frankie could have asked their parents was “Where did I come from?” And they could explain their creation.
She’s a girl. lol
But how does she know about pronounce but doesn’t know how to high five 😭😭
@@Sanya-de1kt how you see yourself and what you learn are different things. I remember the first time someone tried to high-five me. as an anti-social misfit who was constantly fighting someone, I thought they were trying to hit me. Yeah it was an awkward day but that didn't effect how I identified myself.
they're literally a bunch of mismatched body parts sewn together and reanimated, what part of the screams "girl" so much that people get mad at the change?
@@Sanya-de1kt Kids develop a sense of self as early as three.
I feel like the biggest issue with the Frankie thing is not that they are nonbinary bc I actually think it fits their character well, I think its the fact that pretty much the rest of the diversity was taken out. Reasons I've seen of that is making clawdeen lightskin, having a cleo an arab/egyptian character be portrayed by a non arab/egyptian actress, and getting rid of accents like Abby's and Lagoona's. It just feels like they added this piece of diversity to coverup what they got rid of. I definitely like Frankie being nonbinary I just think it would've had a greater impact if they didn't change so much.
I love that Frankie is non binary but I hate the way they went about it. I would have loved the movie to kinda have a storyline for Frankie where they find out gradually throughout the movie that they are non binary and use they/them pronouns. This would be more natural and would help the clueless children understand being non binary more instead of dropping it in the intro in such a forced and unnatural way. The old monster high always handled the situations like this differently and better, the old monster high would probably show someone misgendering Frankie at first and then they would show Frankie talking about their feelings which would explain their story and why they go by they/them pronouns and then the lesson is taught much better and the younger kids will have a better understanding. That’s what monster high did with characters that were minorities in the past and it had a much bigger impact on me.
I agree with you! They definitely could've done a better job
If they wanted to pair Cleo with someone other than Deuce, I would have preferred Clawd. They actually dated before and that's why Clawdeen was so against Draculaura dating her brother.
Yeah, and wasn’t Clawdeen a lesbian before?? Why are they pairing her with Deuce??
@@callmesummon that wasn't a mattel decision, that was made by the creator (garrett Sander) who no longer works on the team so he can't really do something if they pair clawdeen with a boy, I believe?? as he has no control over their actions as he's not on the team anymore
@@callmesummon I don't think Clawdeen was a lesbian. I think Garrett Sanders actually discussed this. He said he didn't want to make Clawdeen boy crazy because Frankie and Draculaura already were. But even though he didn't intend for Clawdeen to be a lesbian, he's not mad at that idea.
@@serenatsukino5252 I believe, in an recent post or smthin, something said something about clawdeen couldn't be a lesbian and he responded 'yes she can :)' or something similar and people took that as a yes to her being one
The new live action film isn’t for me, but that’s ok. I hope everyone who helped make it is proud of their work and see success, no need to send them hate just because it’s something I don’t like, don’t know why people are doing this!
Exactly!! This this this this. I might watch the movie and absolutely hate it but I definitely don't think it means we should be inconsiderate that this is still a giant group project that took a lot of time and effort
i don’t really care for the designs of most of them, the changes of the chacters/story, but it’s okay. it’s for younger chacters and while i wish it was more true to the og series it’s whatever (although if clawdeen has super vision and wolf ears, why does she have glasses and what are they connected to?)
@@imjustasconfusedasyou maybe the actor has glasses who knew
@@imjustasconfusedasyou you got me. I haven't tough on how was she wearing glasses with those ears lol such a simple detail, but it's all I'm going to be able to think about when I look at her now
On the why, I guess maybe she needs them for seeing what's near, like reading, and the super vision makes her see stuff that is far better. Makes sense, because wolfs need to see far well to hunt, but they don't need to read, so maybe werewolf power only improve distance vision. Or maybe they didn't tough of it lol
im going to clone you just so that there can be more good internet strangers
I don’t think Frankie would be non-bianary. She refers to herself as a female the whole time throughout the series. It feels like they’re doing it for marketing. They’re changing her character and from previous live actions we know that doesn’t end well. it’s the same thing with the head master. They’re changing it just to try and look good which I find rude.
Honestly In my opinion her being a she/they or just staying as a she/her would’ve been fine instead of totally changing their whole identity no one is used to except for new fans. If an old fan never watched this movie and used she/her on Frankie new fans would be upset so them using she/her & they/them would’ve been fine for old and new fans.
@@marisolbecerra06LMAO💀
@@magixall LITERALLY
@@McLyney exactly like i can’t fathom it 💀
i think her character is played by ya non bianary person even has in his tiktok nickname he/them i think
Personally, I don't think the problem is that monster high has a non-binary character. I believe that a lot of people are disappointed because a popular character who was already established to be female and have she/her pronouns from the beginning of the series was ultimately changed just for representation and how the team introduced them really seemed a little forced, like, I don't think a living, breathing, non-binary human being would introduce themselves like that.
And I'm not saying that representation is a bad thing, it's actually a great thing and it helps children and teens to realise that hetero-normativity isn't the only way and it's perfectly fine if they end up being lgbtq+ when they grow up, or helps them realise they aren't straight and or cis.
In my opinion, I believe it would have been better to keep Frankie's original gender identity but introduce in the main cast a different non-binary character, because if nick could afford to make so many drastic changes to the main cast (heavily looking at lagoona), they could have afforded to create a non-binary character of their own.
I've also seen people saying that Frankie being non-binary makes sense because they could've been made from parts of people of different genders and I agree with that statement. But there's also the possibility of Frankie being made of only female body parts since it's never stated. Or, at least, I've never seen or heard that it's cannon that Frankie is made of body parts of different genders or of only female ones. It matters from which point of view you look at this specific argument with the body parts and I don't there's a right opinion on this one. I just wanted to bring a different perspective.
Again, having a non-binary character IS NOT the problem, the problem is changing the gender identity of an already established character who's been canonically female to only offer representation is. I feel like nickelodeon did this ONLY to get brownie points and get some people to watch the live action movie and the animated series for the sole reason that a character is non-binary and I don't know if they'll humanize Frankie and give them aspirations, emotions and flaws just like any other good written character or just have them be non-binary and nick's job is done. No personality, no character development, just sit there and look pretty.
I honestly don't like how people say that this reboot offers representation all while the og Clawdeen was gay-coded and her creator is very supportive of the head-canon of her being a lesbian but this reboot threw it all away just for Deuce to romance her and they don't even have any chemistry together. Some people say the team made her bi or bi coded, and as a bisexual myself, I don't want to be represented like that. Stealing representation from another overlooked group is not the way and it would've made more sense for Heath to be bisexual or even pansexual than for Clawdeen.
I have no hate towards any of the actors and I wish the best for them. They worked with what they were given and the choices for everything, from the costumes to the script, was out of their control. If you've read my whole rant, thank you, and I hope I made any sense. If you want to have a debate or just talk about this in the reply section, please just be respectful and remember there's a human being behind that account.
Yeah, making a new character would be the best option, if they wanted to represent. And I keep seeing Frankie being made of "multiple parts from different genders" but that doesn't make sense because gender identity is different from sex, so it wouldn't matter anyway. Frankie has always been exclusively female and suddenly changing it for no reason aside from brownie points is a really bad move, I hope the movie isn't cannon to anything but itself
No no no… this ain’t Lagoona. This is her far far cousin Fishoona
or mermaidia
lmaooo that name slaps
Dojoona is more like it
with the Deuce and Clawdeen thing- What I'm hoping is that they'll execute in a way where it's the two using a friendship (that they confuse for romantic feelings) to learn more about themselves.
Lets just hope about that it
better be clawdeen is a lesbian
@@sxrawbxrryz tbh, it's really weird that they're seemingly not making her les. I mean, they made Frankie nb which is just as popular as the les Clawdeen headcanon.
@@irachan3978 honestly before i never heard of the headcanon of frankie being non binary before but I've seen so many people say clawdeen is les and in lots of fan art you can find the lesbian flag. you're right and honestly clawdeen being les is even more popular
The writers aren’t smart enough for a plot like that I’m sorry 😭😭
I find it kinda interesting that in Gen 1 Frankie was introduced as the main character, Gen 2 it was Draculaura and now it’s Clawdeen. It’s interesting seeing the different takes on Monster High but nothing will ever come close to the first generation
I feel like Clawdeen and Deuce being a thing is just like a mainstream thing where the supposedly main character who isn't popular dates someone who is popular. It's like forcing a mainstream stereotype of a teen movie into Monster High, it doesn't seem right. I mean I don't get why they are forcing it when Cleo and Deuce had their own movie about their problem (Boo york) which showed how perfect Deuce and Cleo can be as a couple. Also as far as I remember, Clawdeen never had a love interest or even if she had, it'd be just a few scenes.
It seems uncreative imo. Oh wow, never seen that before. Unpopular girl gets with the popular guy wooohhh so original...
Why did there even have to be a love plot in there for Clawdeen anyway? Not every teen-themed movie needs a romance plot with the main character!
My ship 😀😤 this is my favorite ship for im debating on watching the movie if Cleo x deuce ain't gonna be in it...im also a fan of clawd x draculaura.. 😤🙄😤
had to collect my thoughts. Clawdeen being human-to monster isn't my favorite. However, if the reboots follow a intresting trend of each reboot revolving diffrent characters are the main focus. I think that is a good choice for at least how to identify what storyline people can refure too. As for the movie, i see the movies as a separate universe to the original work. specially for how much work and money that would cost. For any level of money, it is allways difficult for a movie to capture an original image and essence of something it is going to capture. So movies are usually something i can shrug off now-a-days. I am more curious for the series, because that is where most of the playline dolls are going to be designed based.
Agree 🙏
The clawdeena half-human thing makes me a little bitter because, duh, they already had that with Jackson and holt! But I’m willing to try the movie out. It’s definitely gonna be a separate universe situation for me too lol
It would be interesting if they kept a similar story but from another characters perspective. Kind of like how they started focusing on Draculara instead of Frankie later on. They just gave Clawdeen Frankie's role and inserted a plot we've kinda... Seen before. Which isn't bad, Monster high was always cliche and made it work, but it's clear they're trying to do something different right?
I don't really know how the fact that Frankie is nonbinary will work in other languages (for example: in my native language - Polish - everything has assigned gender, there's no gender-neutral words like in english)
Also I really hate that they made Clawdeen str8, like... why did they change Frankie to be nonbinary but decided to make our lesbien queen Clawdeen str8? Do they want LGBTQ+ representation or not?
Oh, and the MH school doesn't feel like it used to - like a place where everyone is accepted, but not half-blood monsters? And witches? After all, is this a safespace for ALL monsters or just the chosen ones?
And they shouldn't change characters races/skin tones, that just doesn't feel right.
At this point I feel like characters from this reboot are completely different ones that the ones from the og version, just named the same way & at most inspired by the og ones.
I agree 100000% Clawdeen was meant to be lesbian, they could've stuck to it, including how clawdeen has a love interest in this new movie, could've kept cleo and deuce the same pair and get clawdeen a new girl or hint at with another ghoul??? I like the original plot line the best, im all for the representation, but they still could've approached it differently AND stuck to the original plot line. I'm half asian and half european, so if i were clawdeen, i would not be accepted in MH??? Like seriously what happened to being accepted for your 'freaky flaws'? they even removed that quote :/ They could've kept same/similar plot to the original but nope :/// And all their new hobbies and interests are weird? Frankie is the more sociable and friendly one, but now her main attribute is her IQ? when that was kinda ghoulias role? and clawdeen who was a fashionista/designer and now she skateboards apparently LMFAO WHAT??? and draculaura doing witchcraft? what happened to our cute short little vegetarian vampire. They don't even have their accents too, gonna miss abbys, dracs and lagoonas ones the most. L movie
Descendants and party city came in with a slight taste of monster high and ran with it
Exactly like this doesn't even feel like monster high anymore
@@prncsx6857 THANK YOU THATS WHAT IVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY!!!! Like if they wanted LGBTQ representation they could've made Clawdeen lesbian with someone like Venus and kept Frankie the way she was. I feel like that could have gave a better representation to LGBTQ than basically forcing the they/them pronouns on a character that has been using she/her pronouns since the beginning and if they really wanted to make Frankie non binary they should have it her like that from the start of the franchise instead of trying to be on brand with modern day society. ( Btw I'm not trying to be transphobic about anyone's gender identity, this is just how I feel as a monster high fan)
@@nosananolife9035 yeah apparently its because the actor of Franke is he/they FTM and wasn't conforble playing as a female character I heard
My BIGGEST issue with the live action movie, specifically about Frankie being non binary, is why couldn’t they ALSO make Clawdeen a canon lesbian?!
Like how HUGE would it be for kids and LGBTQ+ community if the MAIN character was gay.
Mattel made this big show about how they were gonna give us more representation before the movie teasers even came out!
I’m here for non binary Frankie, but I also would’ve loved lesbian Clawdeen 😞💔
uhh we aren’t that progressed in society yet. having an openly gay MAIN character in a KIDS show is still really frowned upon and a lot of parents would bitch about it. How about you wait a couple years, then maybe society would accept gay main characters jn kids shows 😭
@@jdinsomniac7504 Steven Universe literally exists my guy. Take your BS argument somewhere else. It’s literally 2022, if they don’t start including more LGBTQ+ characters now then they never will.
The time is now and Mattel & Nickelodeon are still living in the dark ages.
Wait question didn’t Clawdeen like a boy so how is she a canon lesbian just asking
@@Zhanya_Hotd okay so, I’m not sure how far her liking that boy went. I know it was a subplot thing in Ghouls Rule but other than that 🤷🏽♀️
For years a huge chunk of the fandom has requested/hoped that Clawdeen could be revealed as a lesbian since they headcanoned it and Garret Sander, the creator of Monster High, gave the idea support. (The MH Instagram Q&A he did a few years ago).
Now even though there’s a lot about this reboot that has been revealed/talked about I seriously doubt they’re gonna bring back and other potential LGBTQ+ characters like Valentine or Neighthan (Val was confirmed by Garrett that he was supposed to be gay but Mattel said it was never the right time and Neighthan was another fan headcanon character) which is really upsetting.
There are already shows out there like The Owl House that has POC & LBGTQ+ leads and is labeled as “a kids show” and has received numerous praise for that. (Mainly towards the creator Dana Terrence because Disney decided to cancel the show but 🤷🏽♀️) so it can be done.
@@soarinknightstudios oh ok thank you
I'm cool with NB Frankie. And honestly? Their "forced" introduction seems pretty in character. Frankie's always been the kind of friendly ghoul who dives in with 1000% enthusiasm. I can definitely see them sharing /everything/ about themselves on the first day.
She was known as the daughter of Frankinstine
Frankie is a female in the original though and it should’ve stayed like that
@@cerocares1196 literally bro, i would’ve totally been okay if they just designed a cool new androgynous nb character in the reboot instead of doing that to frankie bro
@@2manyscars exactly and why did they have to make witches bad there were already witches in the old monster high
@@cerocares1196 exactly broo :/
I've always loved Monster High, so seeing this live action movie being made makes me kinda sad and annoyed. The biggest thing to me is why does Draculara seem so mean? Like the way she said " Never. Knock on a closed coffin" seemed super snappy towards Frankie & Clawdeen.
The old monster high logo never occurred to me as gender-based. I always thought of Draculaura and Frankie Stein’s colors.
as a nonbinary person, i love that frankie goes by they/them tbh, i just hope the diversify their fashion beyond just dresses because i'd love to see nonbinary fashion trends represented too in a fashion doll line ( the fashion trends for nonbinary people tend to be trying to aim for the most androgynous look as possible ) and i really think frankie would rock high waisted pants, that's something that's always been in their character's vibe tbh
I'm fine with Frankie being non - binary. What makes me think they only did this for more views is that they have only, so far it seems, put Frankie as part of the LGBTQ+ instead of more of the characters that have been either confirmed or suspected/accepted as being LGBTQ+. For example, if they can have Frankie as non - binary, which has never been discussed really, why can't they have Clawdeen being lesbian?
Frankie has always been she/her. I feel like making her non binary was just a desperate attempt to make the cast more 'diverse' when they could've, as you said, just made Clawdeen lesbian. Clawdeen being lesbian would make more sense since one of the creators of the show said they would've liked to make her a lesbian if not for censorship, so it's more or less confirmed even if we've never seen it in canon material. But of course- they can't have the reboot Clawdeen be a lesbian because then she wouldn't be able to have a hetero romance arc in the movie which is oh so important to the film writers because they simply *can't* have an explicit lesbian romance in a kids movie without parents going nuts. Even though we all know plenty of parents are going to be enraged with Frankie's pronouns.
@@kohakuhime7887 This- like the OG of the three that was LGBT+ made full hetero and the most straight made non-Binary(edit) is like a 360 spin for me
Claw always seemed gay, and Draci gave Bi-curious vibes especially to Claw and her brother, but Frankie also been head over heels for guys she had no chemistry with
@@tristancarter4324 exactly. As a bi person I like seeing lgbt rep in children's media but... I grew up with all of the main characters in MH being cisgendered girls so it just doesn't feel right to suddenly make one of them trans just for brownie points.
@@kohakuhime7887 Well she Non-Binary its different from Trans. Anyway, from what we have seen yeah still this Frankie only works if you have no idea of original cause this don't seem official, ironically it is we will see if they do anything with it or just leave it as a weird fact like is their fashion going to reflect this will they be shipped with only males etc. and I don't feel it will this same bs as blind American girl dolls like idu.
I know characters of sexualities for just sexuality is bad but it's a reason in some instances Frankie Non-Binary yet wears female clothes, presents female, and goes into world with a female attitude so this is only a steppingstone that goes nowhere, honestly smack in a face to LGBT+
EXACTLY
Tired of people praising Mattel for being so innovative with Frankie, when they completely refused the actual LGBt characters when Garret was working.
I showed the hieroglyphics in Cleo's locker to my friend who's an archaeologist and fluent in hieroglyphics and she said they don't say anything unfortunately
"Why does Frankie know about pronouns but not what a high five is"
It's almost as if we learn the most basic aspects of our identities before we are socialized in school and learn about larger culture.
Which did your parents teach you first, your gender and pronouns, or a high five?
You're seriously telling me, your parents ever sat y'all down and went "you have this thing between your legs, so your are xyz"?
THANK YOU that argument was so frustrating to see. As an enby person "forced representation" is still representation in my eyes. People criticising decisions like this is just going to lead to less and less companies even giving it a shot in the first place.
And honestly frankie would share stuff like that especially because she doesn't know basic social norms like what a high five is and would assume its normal for people to share their pronouns in an introduction of all things🧍♂️
That's a genuine question actually, I just know my parents definitely taught me how to give a high five first and fave not too manz fucks about the concept of gender
Since Frankie's so new to the world and socially awkward, you could say that them introducing themself in an unnatural and awkward way makes sense
generally loving the character design changes except for lagoonas redesign cuz why? mh never had to appeal to the barbie rainbow and sparkles demographic before? so why now? it was the cool fashion and edgier look that drew in so many fans back in 2010/2012.
also i wish they would keep the similar face scans for the dolls. i just want high quality and fierce details :)
I like a lot of the new changes from G3 so far, but oh god… Lagoona just hurts, her design looks so off and she doesn’t feel like a sea monster at all; just a rainbow mermaid. i mean it probably would’ve been cooler if they played into the piranha thing a bit more??? that would’ve been WAY more interesting and creative than the freaking rainbow fish
Yeah like Laguna has had pink in her hair before and that’s fine but her design doesn’t look like Laguna or a mermaid or a sea monster like… the OG designs you could tell or at least have an idea of what kind of monster everyone was based off their design. But you don’t have that with Laguna and that’s why I’m upset about it-it’s a poor choice on the design.
I think them changing Frankie to they/them makes a lot of sense especially how you pointed out that they are made up of different people's parts. With that being said, I think the pronoun introduction thing was weirdly presented in the context we're given thus far. If they wanted to have Frankie state they use those pronouns they could've maybe had them say something like between classes? Like one of the others could've said see you later girl and Frankie could've kindly corrected them. Just seems more natural to me. Just my 🪙🪙
Agree 💯
i agree the way they introduced the pronouns was really awkward for some reason there was just something so off about it
@@buggy-boy honestly, I think it's because we arent used to such an accepting environment, when imo, it should be the norm.
@@Aisha_Luv yeah maybe but it's just hard to get used to, even if you have nothing against it 🤷 and it kinda feels like they could've just made a new character that was enby? (frankie might still be a girl that uses they/them but idk) or just have clawdeen who's supposed to be a lesbian actually date a ghoul to have some representation yk?
edit: spelling
I didnt realize it seemed a bit weird since in my highschool when you do introductions you say your pronouns and something about you. I do see how it is a bit odd.
what I find weird about all the movies is that Frankies scareatage is not entirely represented, she doesn't have an accent even tho she has a foreign scaretage. The story of Frankenstein originated from Germany, so she would have a German accent, but she obviously doesn't have one. That could have different reasons tho. 1 nobody knows where Frankenstein comes from and never looked it up so they assumed it's American, or 2 Frankie never learned German from her parents (or was never in Germany) so she just doesn't have one.
6:31 the bed actually makes me think of her room in the monster high pilot from years ago. Her bed was just a long flat operating table that could seesaw back and forth and her alarm clock was hooked up to it and would electrocute her awake when it went off.
I think the way Frankie introduced themself was kinda cringe, but at the same time very fitting for their character. Because Frankie is very socially awkward and naive, as well as oblivious to social constructs. Hence why they didn’t know what a high five was and the way they introduced themself.
It's not cringe at all, you're just being judgmental and hating on trans ppl for existing and trying to ensure more people gender themselves correctly. I introduce myself like that sometimes, and people are chill with it. We need to normalize introductions like that so that trans people and people who use different pronouns than societally expected can feel safe and actually have a peace of mind. Get off your transphobic bullshit and get a grip of yourself. The world has bigger problems than how a person chooses to introduce themselves, especially if it's with pronouns and their gender. I've seen a lot of people who introduce themselves with their pronouns, it's not a special or unique circumstance. As a trans man, the amount of transphobia in this comment section is disappointing but unsurprising. Transphobes are losers.
It’s not cringe. As a non binary person it’s disrespectful you think introducing yourself with your pronouns is cringe. This is how it works
?: Hi! I’m ???, My Pronouns are They/Them!
?: Hello! Im ???, Im a She/her!
That’s how it was said.
@@essie4147 it’s not necessarily because they introduced themself with their pronouns, it was more of the presentation. The way they did it felt kinda forced, which is what made me cringe a little. I never said introducing yourself with pronouns was cringe. I’m sorry if I disrespected you in any way.
@@wildmoonchild9404 it literally just felt like they were doing an introduction in the class... Those are always gonna be awkward and forced feeling because they ARE
@@essie4147 you realize not everyone wants to use pronouns to begin with. Like y'all base your whole life and personality on a pronoun and then there's the majority of us that don't care what we're referred to. So yes it was cringe and it will always be cringe.
18:20 no, you shouldn’t go with it with a bisexual mind. clawdeen was a canonical lesbian before this live action was even a thing, and making her have a male love interest instead of having her being a lesbian is erasing the little lesbian representation that we, lesbians, barely have.
while you talk about frankie being non-binary and that it’s nice to introduce a trans character to a younger audience so they can relate, you should talk about how clawdeen is a lesbian and many young lesbians would feel represented by her if they saw the movie, that of course, if she wasn’t forced to have a love interest that’s a male.
i’m still a big anti of any MH reboot (including the “welcome to monster high” movie) because i think it’s genuinely fucked to try to make money off peoples childhoods and not expect them to be mad about it. specially, if it’s done in a bad and cheap way.
Where are you getting the Clawdeen is a cannon lesbian? It’s just a popular head-canon which was never confirmed to be official. In the og webisodes you see Clawdeen liking boys but I wouldn’t mind if she liked girls too.
Personally I see her as ace (which hardly there is any representation) for her lack of dating. I miss my ghoul being independent tbh!!! 😩 she inspired me to follow my dreams and put dating aside since a little girl. Cliche to see the main girl get a crush from a guy so quickly, I thought that was Frankie’s thing.
Fair enough answer
@@roxanne_ it's because of an Instagram post by the designer of the OG Monster High dolls. On national coming out day (Oct. 11 2021, meaning he no longer worked for Mattel or MH at the time) he used the tag #/ClawdeenIsALesbian as a nod to when he stated that while it was *never* the intention for her to be, he liked the fancannon that she was a lesbian. Everyone just took that to be confirmation, despite most canonical instances of her romantic situations were either directed at boys (Like when Draculaura set her up with her cousin Thad and she finds him attractive) or just no interest at all.
@@roxanne_ omg Clawdeen the aroace lesbian would be awesome!!!
Sexuality
The original creator confirmed on Instagram that they tried to give hints to Clawdeen being gay, but was always told that it wasn't the time. The initial idea was that she just wasn't boy crazy, but as time went on they decided to embrace it.
This is in the wi-ki and I think clawdeeen as lesbian aromantic would be a good representation of lgbtqa+!
And the fact that they made clawdeen bisexual make my heart broken, I hope they changed it like sonic
i’m just mad that lagoona isn’t australian anymore, she was my fav for that reason 😩
Lagoona is often seen with Cleo in this, in my opinion it’s worse enough that she was rainbow! Now she’s on Cleo’s mean girl side.
Honestly, I'm not bothered by some of the changes they've made to Lagoona, like the Piranha teeth or the new Latin origins, since Both Piranhas and the Gil-Man, the monster Lagoona is based on, come from South America (The Amazon to be specific) what I'm not a big fan of is that they made Lagoona Cleo's lackey. OG Lagoona was a sporty girl with a heart of gold, and new Lagoona appears to be the Gretchen to Cleo's Regina.
Yea i agree but the real problem is… where is our girl Ghoulia???
@@decay4387 she's in the movie tho
@@flaviolau4610 damn, I didnt know that but like why did they replace her with Lagoona? Ghoulia and Cleo is such a Duo but Lagoona?? I would never seen that coming
@@decay4387 they're a group along with Abbey
Exactly.
Personally, this movie won’t be for me. Lagoona and Clawdeen have been changed just a tad bit too much for me and the relationships that they’re hinting at are terrible matchups.
Now abt Frankie because I have a pretty realistic idea for them.
I agree with most of the comments about Frankie not knowing what a high-five is but knowing about their pronouns at 15 days old.
So, I think that they should have another character in the show who’s non-binary, even if they’re a new character or a teacher. Frankie meets them, they explain a little about their pronouns and then Frankie adopts the pronouns when they realize that’s what they feel like!
This is coming from a non-binary person btw. That’s how I came to find mine. For a long time I was going by he/him instead of she/her but they didn’t feel right, then I learned about non-binary from someone I went to school with. I now go by they/them.
I’m sure plenty of other people have had a similar experience with pronouns or even sexuality.
Frankie finding their pronouns like this would lead to a more natural way of them finding things out and a more detailed explanation to people who don’t know what non-binary means prior to the movie, -cough-kids-cough-
Also honestly it would make much more sense since she's like what, 20 days old lmao (transmasc here using he/they learning it from someone else)
Aaaah 11:04 you got a classic photo of me as Clawdeen! 😭 Thanks!
Why would they make Lagoona pink in the animated series?? Why can’t she just be blue? She was such a pretty shade of blue😭
I’m like, 70-30. I love the music, I love Draculaura’s split hair, and I can accept this version of Frankie being nonbinary (as they’re made of different parts, so it makes sense), and I appreciate the actors (who were obviously cast to be the best portrayals of THESE versions of the characters) being fans of the OG series. However, from a Monster High “brand” standpoint, they built a empire on the fact these dolls/characters WERE so different. They were always about not conforming to cater to others, with fierce current trendy high fashion outfits. I know it’s for a new generation and not really for older fans, but even kids these days know of OLD Monster High, and loved it. The first reboot made them far too childish, and while this reboot feels like a slight step in the right direction, it still looks/feels too childish for what Monster High is supposed to be, in my personal opinion. Honestly Shadow High’s giving more Monster High than Monster High lately 😂 If the leaked dolls are true, then the new line looks VERY Barbara. Which isn’t a good thing. If they had stuck with the Haunt Couture style/quality but for playline, you KNOW they’d make back all their lost money for the past 6 years. I love Mattel and their brands but these past years have been rough. 😓
I missed this whole thing happening up until now, lol. Been seriously out of the Monster High loop.
I’m totally here for NB Frankie. The presentation is a little clunky, but the fact it’s being presented at all is awesome, and I’m really looking forward to that.
I’m not so much here for Non-Blue Lagoona though. I think the new design is cute, but it just doesn’t read sea-monster. It’s tie-dye mermaid at best which is cute but it’s not Lagoona Blue. This new Lagoona design feels like a completely different character who just happens to share her name. I’ll give her a chance though because the design doesn’t always make-or-break a character in movies, but if they change her chill vibe I won’t be very happy… it DEFINITELY isn’t a doll I’d buy, though.
Also… as much as the hints at Clawdeen and Draculara make me excited… Clawdeen and Deuce… is a hard no from me. Same for Cleo and Heath. Appreciating possibly Bi Clawdeen, though.
But I will give new Lagoona and the live action movie the benefit of the doubt with a hesitant watch. The plot sounds interesting, so… hopefully it turns out to be better than we think.
I definitely think there’s a thin line on good representation in media, one good example of Trans representation is Raine from The Owl House (excellent show, great characters, definitely a treat for the lgbtq+ community, and highly recommend) Raine was confirmed as Non-binary and goes by they/them pronouns, and the show does what it did best within not making the representation seeming forced. With Frankie, I love the concept of them being canonically transgender, I’m already STARVING for more representation like that in media, especially in this franchise considering that it’s something I grew up with. But the movies execution of it just didn’t click with me.
Out of all the TikTok’s of people looking EXACTLY like draculaura they choose the person who looks COMPLETELY different
I'll give it a chance but if deuce and clawdeen start dating I will simply not watch it at all or support the reboot 💔
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I have a feeling that they would and I ain't supporting this!
The monster high live action might not be the best mh movie but I’ll give it a chance I’m not gonna hold my hopes out tho there’s a lot of things in the movie that I wish they didn’t do like the costuming skin colors the accents among other thing but hey imma give it a chance
Agreed! I really hope the animated version keeps the accents because I think that's something that made Monster high really special
@@Clawdeena9 I think the new monster high animated series is going to make new generation of monster high collection wow
very much liking Draculaura's hair, but i think for her style they could have actually taken it to the top with the gothic instead of this "new trendy" style. They all look really similar now in outfits... I mean, more than before. There has to be something more UNIQUE in patterning the clothes or SOMETHING. Does anyone else feel this way and cant quite put a finger on what it is?
Im literally crying. I've been obsessed with Monster High my whole life and watch all your monster high videos. WHY did they change EVERYTHING I LOVED about monster high
I always loved the idea of nonbinary Frankie, to me it just made more sense (especially since they’re made of different limbs and body parts put together…i mean they definitely could be a mix of male/female and not feel completely in the binary)….but the straight forward way they introduced them is kinda strange…no hate to anyone who is open enough to give out their pronouns when introducing themselves but considering Frankie is brand new to the world…it is weird that they’d have the vocabulary to voice their identity. I just wish it was either 1. Everyone just automatically refers to them as “they” or 2. Maybe Frankie makes an offhand comment about not feeling binary/ wanting to be referred to “they”. Either way i see it as a win for queer monster high fans. It’s something new while also being realistic to their character imo
It's not weird at all. I've introduced myself with my pronouns multiple times. And tons of trans ppl and gnc ppl do that too. Even cis people have done it before.
@@akirakhan4790 I'm trans too but I've just never been one to introduce myself with my pronouns. Again, no disrespect to you or anyone else who does it but for me personally growing up where i did, it just seems like an odd thing. But that's kinda the point ig, having Frankie introduce themselves like that would probably speak to younger queer people who do those types of things. Again everyone's different, so although them introducing themselves like that would be enough for other people, i would've just like to have seen something more in character rather than so straight forward!
@@akirakhan4790 I've been asked my pronouns and I've introduced myself with them at times. Honestly, I just think "How does Frankie know at 15 days old" 🤣
@@kaigrant88 children have a grasp on their gender at like 2... They are 15 days old but have the brain of a teenager.
I just wish lagoona was still Australian there was no need to change that . If they wanted more representation they could’ve hired an aboriginal actress and explored their culture considering she’s from the great scarrier reef
im glad frankie is going to be nonbinary representation but also its a little sus that they decided to not have frankie be the main character. almost like its "safer" for them to have a nb side character instead of a main character
Oooooo snap you got them lol
I just want to say as someone who has been asked to introduce myself with my preferred pronouns, it does happen. Just because someone hasn’t had to doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
As for the Clawdeen/Deuce relationship, just cause Clawdeen is in a straight-passing relationship doesn’t mean that she’s straight. She could be bi or pan or maybe she just hasn’t figured out that she’s a lesbian yet.
Also Lagoona looks like Danse from 80s Jem and the Holograms and I love that for her.
the problem to me is that they are changing so much about the story in a cheap attempt to get brownie points. To me, Frankie being NB is so performative to me. They could've added a new NB character instead of just sloppily slap a LGBT label on an existing character for the sake of it. Clawdeen was already confirmed as a lesbian by the creator so why did they make her straight? Why was Draculaura asian? As an asian person this does not feel genuinely inclusive it feels forced. A better way would've been to bring back CANON asian characters like Kiyomi and Jinafire. There's just so much I hate about the choices the producers made on this movie, no hate to the actors just doing their job though.
Edit; Clawdeen wasn't confirmed lesbian but she was queer-coded and the creator just said he approved of clawdeen being lesbian. Regardless, it's still a better choice imo to make clawdeen queer if the producer's goals were for representation.
I agree, draculaura is romanian why change that? why not add one of the canon asian characters (or the one I made up in my head Boo-young Kim? hehe)
also Jinafire is a queen
Ugh, I don't like this cast :/
I think Frankie being nb is ok as some others have pointed out- they were made with male and female parts. It was done for brownie points and feels a bit forced but nonetheless isnt that bad. Clawdeen was never confirmed to be a lesbian, the creator just said he liked the fan’s headcanon. Putting her in a relationship with Deuce was weird tho. They shouldve just let her do her own thing and be independent like in the original and let fans have their headcanons. And yeah Draculaura becoming asian was weird. Also weird how they went out of their way to make sure cleo’s actress was middle eastern but cast an asian for drac.
@@C1RCUSC0LLECT1VE nope draculaura was romanian always u can tell by her accent in series
My whole thought is I really love the set and the music, but they changed the characters so drastically that I don't recognize the characters as who they once were anymore because their whole lore/backstory changed. And so did their personality. I'm going to really miss the old monster high from my opinion because they expressed a lof of fear we had to be ourselves. They still aim for that "Be yourself" motto. I'm going to miss Clawdeen being her own firece and independent self. She had ups and downs, but she's always been the head strong one. This series feels like they might take out Claud and Howleen from what I"m feeling
Here I thought Ghoulia wasn’t going to be in it, but I am relieved now because they took her out in the last reboot movie.
Going in with a positive mindset tbh! I’m going on 20 this year and I’ve grown up on monster high and hearing Frankie be nonbinary made me smile so happily and feel extremely validated. Its something little me would’ve absolutely loved to hear as I’ve always fought with myself about my identity.
Also, I’m truly hoping the writers use this as an opportunity to make Deuce and Clawdeen’s interests with each other more of an experimental one. From what I’ve always gathered from the OG monster high, Cleo and Deuce??? Can’t be separated. So why would they change that now? Every time they break up, they get back together; I truly don’t think that’s going to change. Clawdeen still has the possibility of being lesbian or bisexual. Finding your interests isn’t linear and these characters are high schoolers still learning what floats their boats lol I’m really excited as to what the possibilities can come from this reboot
Also? Im gonna be that person praying that Jackson and Holt come back! I think I’d explode
i feel like i can like and appreciate monster high and monster high nick movie as two different things. different characters and story. just like we know a hundred cinderella stories, or even eah vs. descendants. if i separate things, i think the movie can be very enjoyable. just watching it with an open mind 💜 btw do you think draculaura is too out of character? i mean she seems kinda sassy on the trailer but when i rewatch the websodes it doesn't feel that off lolll
Like a monster high multiverse
I feel exactly the same way!!! As long as others enjoy the movie and brings in new fans to enjoy Monster High, and pursue it more like the older generation- then it’s a win
I definitely agree as there’s moments where I can see myself enjoying the movie by itself, but then I remember it’s Monster High. So, I’m trying to look at this whole thing from a different point of view 😅
Honestly I’m kind of mad that her character kind of seems a bit sassy or rude because Draculaura in the original movies is the definition of a bubbly, silly, and caring character. Although I can’t judge a book by its cover since I am only going if a 1:32 second long trailer.
As someone who's been to an admittedly VERY liberal high school and college, yeah sometimes for 1st days of class we all go around and do names and pronouns. Hell I've done it for clubs, and honestly its made me feel a lot less awkward introducing myself as using they/them. Frankie has been one of my fav characters as a kid and seeing them now also be nb is amazing to see. I also think this was a well thought out decision to make Frankie specifically nb with a lot of trans people relating to the og Frankenstein story. Someone also pointed it out but it makes sense that Frankie would introduce a very important part of themselves in a very direct way, like you're 2 weeks old how else are you gonna tell people this. My love goes out to the actor and all the other lovely people working on the film.
Thank you for such a detailed and full review on the movie. It's pretty apparent that Mattel has totally dropped OG fans, though, and this film is so different that it should not bear the name monster high in my opinion (there's got to be some intellectual property infringement somewhere across the board). Mad props to the hacker who probably was an original fan and did the right thing.
I feel like every time they try to reboot the series it flops. The only people that are going to buy the dolls are older doll collectors and all enthusiast and people that like dolls because with inflation no parent is going to try and buy their child a $35-$40 doll that isn’t even as detailed as the old dolls used to be. They just need to do a revival for the original fans.
I’m planning on skipping the live action movie, let the new kids have it.. I prefer our ghouls they way they were introduced to the world .. I saw leaked photos of the movie dolls/ merchandise , and it’s a no on that as well…I hope Nickelodeon has success with it, but as an adult collector it’s not for me.
Same. Sticking to the original monster high
couldn't agree more
I agree, all these changes are upsetting me 😩 I miss the old MH
I'll pass it along who wants this can take it. 💁🏻♀️
Personally I’m open to some of the new ideas that their bringing more representation, but like people are saying the way Frankie introduced themselves was kinda random but I’m okay with it. Anyway I will miss the original monster high but I do like how it looks and the animated series is still to come and we don’t really know the plot so I still have hope. But I’m still off about pink lagoona. Overall I think we all need to chill and just see what’s to come. Tbh I’m okay with it
Eh Frankie being enby sorta annoyed me. It's like saying that just because frankie is artifically created being, they aren't really capable of assigning themselves as a specific gender. I'm non binary myself with they/them pronouns. I just think they chose the wrong character to make non binary. Especially since cartoon frankie was supposed to be a strong female who was feminine yet still strong therefore breaking gender stereotypes and the mary sue sorta thing where they make the strong girl masculine/overly cool. It's just annoying to see one of the only feminine woman characters who is strong, being completely changed from their identity and original idea.
@@akane2002 I agree it will take some getting used too
It was UGH-mazing getting to meet you at Vidcon! And Clawdeen student badge 😉
As someone who grew up with G1's dolls and movies I'm ALWAYS going to have a preferred bias for them. However I wish the next generation good luck! I don't hate Lagoona's design or reboot. I love Bloodgood's new concept! And really love the representation they're throwing in, not a lot but some still. I'll probably never get to see the movie but I hope things go well from here!
lagoona looks like a crazy fanatic for rainbow high. It's unfortunate that they don't respect the essence of the characters, I know it's a reboot but it would be nice if they made them more realistic in their roles
I want more dolls from the original series!! Like have this rebrand as there main source of income but the og MH as ah alternative lineup. They could also do a live action EAH too & revival for this. I don't want a EAH reboot, I want revivals
1. Non binary Frankie makes sense but it still feels performative hearing how Mattel treated the gay creator who wasn’t allowed to have openly lgbtq+ characters because it wasn’t the “right time”.
2. I think it would’ve been better to have clawdeen be lesbian and have romance with Frankie or Draculaura.
3. I don’t like how they portray ghoulia in the trailers I’ve seen. In G1 she was smart and a little timid to me, nonverbal in a way, but now it looks like she’s been made into the “weird girl” which is sad.
4. It’s weird for lagoona to have human skin color when she’s supposed to be from the water. Her pink redesign is cute, but unrecognizable and I think it would’ve been more fun if her pink design was her sister and we got a new character.
4. I really wonder what Hyde holt would’ve looked like in this reboot and I hope they bring him back. Maybe I should be careful what I wish for though because Heath’s design in the animation looks horrid.
5. So far abbey’s outfits look the cutest and I’m glad she’s in the movie. I kinda wish a black girl played her though because I always thought abbey was black when I was younger. Mostly because her nose was kinda like mine and her sense of style.
I genuinely want to cry for what they did
every aspect is a nightmare! they took the worst fanfic idea and be like "This is it! We gonna do a live action with these ideas"
The reboot was stil salvagable, stil had a chance to be good… and they do this…
just last night I was remembering the MH fanfic I never got to finish, thinking the franchise was sinking into obscurity… and I discover this today. And a sign of what a TERRIBLE idea it is, is that the comments on the trailer video are off, because they know we wll point out ow much of spineless sell outs they are and every stupid decision made
a small part of my heart is DYING… worst, this looks like those Disney Channel movies. I don't even know if i can find the strength to rant about all I hate about because it is that painful. Is ludicrous this hurts me so bad, yet it does, because I really liked these characters, the series as a whole, and now they're just another mascot for the unholy woke agenda, and I want to scream til my troat bleed online, knowing nothing will change, but to lessen my poin… but I can't just yet…
I'm actually pretty excited for the live action movie. I will admit that it isn't perfect (like the costumes, the accents not being there, and everything else) but I'm willing to give it a chance. Plus the fact that people are mad about Frankie being non-binary is pathetic.
i don’t really care for the designs of most of them, the changes of the chacters/story, but it’s okay. it’s for younger chacters and while i wish it was more true to the og series it’s whatever (although if clawdeen has super vision and wolf ears, why does she have glasses and what are they connected to?) but i do really love they idea of frankie using they/them
i really don’t like clawdeen and duces designs though. they are ones i really cannot stand. cleos lack of wrappings and lagoona’s total change of design, even heaths is one i don’t care for.
Ppl who get mad abt Frankie being nonbinary are just trying to hide their transphobia or are straight up being transphobic.
It's literally tr@n$ph0bic low-key but you ain't hear that from me 😳🙊🤐😶 (their anger over Frankie being nb)
@@PGOuma Transphobic? Transphobia is a prejudice towards people who has transitioned to the other gender. According to "nonbinary" people, being "nonbinary" is rejecting gender as a construct. By definition it isn't a gender, but an absence of gender. Therefore, it's impossible to be transphobic towards a "nonbinary" person because they supposedly don't have a gender in the first place.
@CoNsUmE nAgEeToS for real
I feel like a great example of how big of a factor nostalgia plays in is strawberry shortcake. I don’t know if any of you have seen strawberry shortcake. But the original show is from the 80s. I had no idea it was from the 80s I apparently had been watching a remake from the early 2000s as a kid. Then later watching the ones from the 2010s I’m both equally nostalgic for the 2000s and 2010s versions. But I couldn’t imagine watching the one from the 80s or the new remake that’s happening right now. And I have to admit they both look bad. Sometimes it’s your nostalgia people! Sometimes it’s not don’t get me wrong. But it does play into a lot of what you like. If I had grown up with the 80s version I probably would’ve liked that way more than the 2000s one
I definitely agree with you. I love strawberry shortcake, I also grew up with the 2000's and 2010's one and I like both of them. I also like the 80's one bcuz I like old stuff, but the newer versions just seem a little off to me
I'm curious what you'd think if you started investing into the 80's version if you'd prefer that version of the story over the one you grew up with which is early 2000's
No, i never liked their videos involving people bc dolls were always pretty but somehow they always manage to make humans look cheap
20:49 Had headphones on, scared the shit outta me.
I personally will not be watching this movie. As a day 1 monster high fan I can't stand to see how they've ruined such an amazing franchise. The only thing I can applaud them for is making frankie non-binary since that makes the most sense considering her being made of many random parts. Other than that they took something many fans once loved and trampled it till there was nothing left of the freaky fabulous ghouls we grew up with. Also the "segregation aspect" between ghouls and humans in this story seems unnecessary and the plot basically being them hunting down the "Not pure monster" seems almost like a racial thing? Idk that part doesn't sit right with me
i have sooo many thoughts but my biggest one atm is that Lagoona seems to be based on piranhas and The Creature from the Black Lagoon which are both from the Amazonian Rainforest and so her actress being Colombian is an even more awesome detail! Some South American representation for fans is super cool.
And this is coming from an Australian btw. Im a little sad she wont have her Aussie accent anymore but i think this is a way better angle to take her character for this generation and pay homage to her classic horror origin. Plus if we were to get an Australian character i would rather they were an Indigenous Australian rather than a blonde white person because they are the traditional owners of this land and are NOT represented enough in media, especially in fashion dolls.
i don’t really care for the designs of most of them, the changes of the chacters/story, but it’s okay. it’s for younger chacters and while i wish it was more true to the og series it’s whatever (although if clawdeen has super vision and wolf ears, why does she have glasses and what are they connected to?)
THANK YOU!! 🙏🏽
@@imjustasconfusedasyou my assumption was that her glasses were for helping protect her eyes bc they're so sensitive in normal light?
Don't forget not all Aboriginal Australians are dark and have dark hair, these a big problem in Australia schools with young Aboriginal kids with light skin being told their not black enough.
Alot of people do see Lagoona as an Aboriginal Australian so I think they have an right to be upset
But in all It's great that lagoona has a new target audience and I hope it lives up to that new expectation
Just a correction, there's no Columbia in Latinoamerica, it's Colombia
I’ve been trying really hard to give the new movie a chance. I feel like they killed Lagoona though because they changed her so much! They should’ve done it with new characters/ new names instead of destroying the originals. And Clawdeen dating boys? No! I’m still going to try to watch it when it comes out to see it as the artists who created it intended. And I’m glad they added a non-binary character. But I don’t think I’ll ever see this as Monster High. I’ll think of it as a musical released in MH world by someone who met them all once and knows little about them. The og characters walk out of the theatre laughing or rolling their eyes after watching- still as they always were.
frankie's bio: "high IQ"
also frankie: "whats a *high five*
I think overall, we all need to remember that this is for kids! The more they shout Frankie's pronouns from the rooftops, the more real life kids will feel like it's a normal and comfortable thing to do. Why be subtle and in the shadows when trans people have had to do that for decades? Children don't need subtlety, they need to feel like they belong. I think it's fantastic
Exactly! That's going to be amazing to the kids that don't really feel like either boys or girls. They will see that's OK to be themselves and all, and the other kids will learn that being like this is just fine and normal and won't exclude them as much
It's not that I don't think this is partially being done for the publicity, but I can't ignore how awesome this is going to be for non binary kids anyway
how? i alr met a 7 year old who said she uses they then pronouns bc she saw it in the monster high movie trailer
@@hellokittyyy8 to be fair though, most people actually use they pronouns so it's not that shocking
@@akane2002 a 7 year old? if they that young’s then kids shouldn’t even be worried abt things like that i get that people have pronouns and respect it but if ur like seven that sounds so dumb
@@hellokittyyy8 well it should be the 7years olds choice if they want to explore that. There is no age limit on life!
I personally don't understand why the would choose to do this with specifically Clawdeen since there's already a character that is half human half monster. It would've been fun to that character to bring back or introduced as a new student that the main case can help fit it or try to keep the secret for.
Really well rounded review! I love that you addressed all opinions and details
When I was younger and the original monster high was out i used to go to target and buy a doll with my birthday and Christmas money and when boo York boo York the musical came out my parents got it for Christmas they let us open it early we stayed up all night watching it over and over again I used to love spending time with my sisters watching monster high movies playing with the dolls. It always made me smile that’s why even tho the new movie looks a bit different from what I’m used to I’m willing to try it so that I can make new memories that make me smile even brighter :)
I think one thing people have to remember is that a reboot doesn't retroactively take away from the original. The 2010s dolls, books, movies, lore, etc. still exist! If you prefer 2010 Frankie, cool! She's still right there for you to love. Personally my enby self is excited to love both / all versions the same (except maybe G2. Cuz like... Yeah.)
Im nonbinary too and personally for me they just try too much. With all the gender neutral stuff and new logos like its not that they are bad it’s just that they lack the original. Because when i was a kid i didn’t even care about it being girly or sth it was just cool the way it was. But that’s personal i don’t really hate it. The biggest issue for me is that they made actors look cheap again just like in all mvs and promotion videos like they always did. Why not whow kids how to actually look good or actually show alternative subculture and fashion instead of doing cheap chaotic looks
Yeah, we know that... but in my opinion honestly not everything needs a reboot especially Monster High if you're not gonna do it right😂... this show was unique compared to other shows and they made it into your average new Disney live action descendants kind of movie.. even though descendants might even be better than this.
@@karolinedemon Yep! and not to mention they changed the iconic couples and characters!!! how the heck is this Monster High, it gives disaster high.
@@user-js3ig5zo8v Who’s to say what’s “right” though? Just because it doesn’t appeal to your preferences? Because it’s not the same as the last go-round? I’m a Power Rangers fan; that show has seen more reboots and network switches than anything I can think of. If a season doesn’t appeal to me, I don’t say “oh, why weren’t the creators thinking of me and my tastes specifically!” Or “why isn’t this exactly like the seasons I enjoy!” You can choose to ignore this whole movie! If nothing else, it’ll bring new people into the fandom, and they’ll be able to check out the old material for themselves. I apologize if all of this sounds mean; I’m not trying to be! I just want people to understand that not everything is going to be made for your tastes, and it’s up to you whether or not to engage.
@@cameronroleplays876 I'm sadly NOT going to read all of that. I clearly stated "IN MY OPINION" No, it isn't in my preference and it looks cheap, forced & shitty. 😁
I'm definitely open-minded to the movie despite some grievances, like losing out on Cleo and Deuce. I don't mind Frankie being trans either, just the way that specific line was written sounded very awkward. A lot of people were also scared of this being a musical, but the last time MH had a musical (Boo York), it was a major bop so quite excited for the soundtrack at least.
Frankie is non binary not trans
@@fearnot_jeans trans is an umbrella term !! :)
The Actor is Trans non binary. Frankie is just non binary
@@ShatoraDragondore trans is an umbrella term, being non-binary can therefore also mean being trans !! :)
@@flwerhao no it doesn’t lmao.
This movie is an insult. Whoever developed this obviously has no idea who these characters are or what Monster High is all about. Me and my daughter loved these movies and dolls. I bought every movie and had well over 100 dolls. We were devoted fans. Everything changed when they started making the dolls different. They looked cheap with less of the beautiful details that made them so unique and beautiful.
What I’m seeing in this trailer is the biggest slap in the face to fans of the franchise. The characters look ridiculous. I really didn’t think it could be this bad but it’s worse than anything I could’ve imagined. The actual trailer, the official trailer has its comments turned off! That says a lot. No one who is a true fan of Monster High can look at this and be anything but disgusted.
I’m excited! The actors seem so nice and passionate
I think it's really weird how transphobic people are being about Frankie and their actor. Like fans 'support trans people' until one of their favorite characters or the actor playing them turns out to be trans... The whole movie might be kind of a flop but the fans who are being weird and toxic need to shut up honestly
Ikr I feel awful for frankie’s actor :(
Exactly this feels transphobic like people are put off by the fact that Frankie is non-binary now.
It’s funny because I actually thinks in Frankie’s case, it works out more because of her origin