In the books Katniss mostly stayed at the tying knot station, and was worried there wouldn’t be enough dye left since the morphlings were obsessed with painting.
@@sea3363 it never says they were tying nooses lol it just says they would sing it while making rope necklaces. she very much does however specify that finnick taught her how to tie a noose
Suzanne Collins has admitted that Finnick's death is the one thing she would go back and change. She said her publishers were pressuring her to finish the book and she did it for shock value. Sad to think we could still have Finnick if the publishers weren't greedy :(
@@meems4378 Hard disagree. Shocking and good aren't synonyms. Remembering something for how unexpected and sad it was, doesn't make it good. The death did nothing for the plot, changed nothing for the characters, and seemed like a waste of an in-depthly built character. As Suzanne Collins said; it was for shock value and nothing more.
Here’s an explanation along with a horrifying detail: 2:03 each of those chests contain a Quarter Quell theme. In that shot, we see 80 chests (16 rows of 5), and since each Quell is 25 years apart, they planned to do at least 2000 years of Hunger Games. Damn, that’s longer than most empires last. Also, the 1st Quarter Quell had the tributes voted by the districts (as a reminder that the districts started the rebellion) and the 2nd had twice as many tributes (as a reminder that two rebels died for each Capitol citizen in the rebellion), which is actually the one that Haymitch A. won
Thanks for the details of the Quarter Quells, didn't that how they were set up. That scene with Plutarch going into the that room with the chests should have been left in, what was in the envelope he burned I wonder?...we'll never know.
@@jessesmith-garcia5313the envelope he burned was the original theme of the 3rd quarter quell, which he replaced with the new theme of the existing Victors being the ones reaped (as a reminder that even the strongest cannot defy the Capitol). Remember that he did that in response to Snow saying that “her entire species must be eliminated”
@ascii5616 I think it would have been very similar. The Victors wouldn't have been touched, but I guess it could have been something like "As a reminder, that everyone is and will always be at the mercy of the capitol, the upper age limit during this years reaping will be removed. Everyone from the age of 12 on can be chosen, regardless of mental or physical condition. This is to remind the rebels, that the capitol always has the absolute power, even over those who think that they are safe
When finnick says “I’m sorry” in a calm way right before he repeats: “I’m really sorry.” In a way more serious tone as though he genuinely felt horrible shows how much the prostitution affected him. It changed him to be more way more… sexual, before he actually realised it himself but honestly, annie legit saved him, in my opinion. They loved each other for each other
Fart Nobody is suggesting to use AI to superimpose Lawrence's and Finnick's actor's face onto p*rn or some sh*t. THAT would be fn' weird. Not horny teenagers writing about fictional (!!!) characters. That's pretty normal actually.
LOOOOOOOL! The part where Finnick comes up behind Katniss is the most replayed part of the video bahahahaha. Everyone watching that part is probably like "I WISH THAT WAS ME!!!!"
I do wish that they had kept the scene about the Mockingjay, but I’m glad that they caught the part with Plutarch. It really did undermined what his character was like and how he didn’t actually want Katniss to be her or dad because he wanted her to be the Mockingjay. As for Finnic, I wish they would’ve left it in because it would have shown how depressed he was, what he was expected to act like in the capital due to his years of forcibly being in sexual servitude to the capital, and I would’ve given us more moments between Katniss and Finnick. 2/3 scene were pretty darn good
I think Plutarch wanted her to be the Mockingjay for the rebellion, but not to the extreme Coin wanted her to. Also by doing this they would be able to rescue the victors they needed without having to travel the entire country to get them
Idk I got the flirtatious vibes from Finnick a little to strongly in that scene. I think they eliminated it because it was inappropiate considering that Katniss is still a minor and that he already has a girlfriend.
I wish they had kept these in. It further explains Snow's hatred of the mockingjays and how it became a symbol of rebellion, and how Katniss becoming that symbol was a huge slap in the face for him. Finnick's scene shouldve been kept because it shows how screwed up he was after his Games and being prostituted by Snow. In Mockingjay pt 1 we also see Finnick tying knots a lot, abd it would've just given the movies some continuity. It wouldve shown that tying knots was something that comforted him, like a nervous tick formed out of a dark place
@@mathildewesendonck7225 it's to imply that they rigged the third Quarter Quell to have all tributes be former Victors...Katniss was the only living female Victor from District 12, so she would automatically have to compete again.
@@SF-wz5tz Snow just really wanted her dead. Yet, she survived two hunger games, became the girl on fire, lead the second rebellion against the capitol, and killed Coin and Snow.
@@despacito-vt5jwthat’s so interesting, would have made for very interesting games, especially if the final 2 were brother and sister and had to turn on each other. Also it’s funny because we actually got a brother sister pair of tributes in the 75th games because of the card change with cashmere and gloss from district 1.
Finnick coming up behind Katniss and practically whispering in her ear has me feeling all sorts of ways 😢😢😰😥😥😰😢. How does he EXUDE sex appeal/seduction so easily?!?! Id melt if he got that close to me, got behind me like that, and started talking to me all seductive like he did in the deleted scene. He was perfectly cast as Finnick and you can't convince me otherwise.
Have you seen the scene where he rushes to drink the water from that tap during the games? I had to google if the actor is gay or not because...uhm...sir, that's a bit too much 🤣
Dr. Gaul planned for the Hunger Games to go on a Loooong time based on how many mailboxes there are in that quarter quell room Not surprising if she was the one that brainstormed most of those quarter quells
Always wondered if Plutarch suggested the quarter quell idea to save Katniss and other victors from from straight up execution by Snow or as the only way to really get the revolution off the ground
@@fifaisscripted yea after watching this I’ve learned they deleted this in the movie because it’s not why Plutarch did in the book and they were following Suzanna Collins script as close as possible
No,I don't think so it was plutarch,because during the victory tour party at the capital,where he first meets ketnis,he shows her hus watch and there she sees a symbol of a mockingjay,and plutarch says that it starts at midnight (as a hint to the hourly challenges of the 75th hg)later in the book he reveals that while giving that hint to katniss,he never expected her to be in that arena again,which clears the fact that it was snow who came up with the change
I'm re-reading the books right now and the jabberjay/mockingjay explanation and symbolism is so important to the plot and context of why it becomes the representation of the rebellion, i dont understand why they would cut that part, even if to have someone else explain it/ in a different scene. It is the same theme of katniss being an accidental backfire on the capitol.
I am so curious what the original quarter quell idea would have been in this case. I wish Plutarch would've secretly opened it to show the camera and then burn it so the audience would know what could have been
In the book, he didin't change the rules at all. That's why they removed the scene. He didin't even knew she was about to return into the arena. They were all planning on her being a mentor, not a tribute...
@@EvilMockingJayhold up, you’re telling me in the book, the victors being rereaped was the original idea for the quarter quell? Seems crazy, I always thought Plutarch came up with it to either save Katniss and the other victors from being executed by Snow and/or to get the revolution off the ground.
@@jsaxton128 We don't know. Maybe that was the original idea, but (and I think the second one is the truth) maybe it's Snow or someone else in the Capitol who change the letters. But Plutarch and the rebels didin't knew that. They planned indeed on saving a lot of victors and the quarter quell, well... Change their plans on just saving Katniss and if possible the ones who survived the arena...
imagine if the games kept going after this one and they get to whatever quarter quell that bro just took that envelope from lmaoo "Welcome to the 225th Hunger Games! And may the odds, be ever in your favour. This years quarter quell: 'As a reminder to all of the patience and mercy shown by the capital, we uhm. . . urge you to repay us those virtues and uh. . . give us like 15 minutes to sort this out uhm-"
1: I have no idea why they cut that part about the Jabberjays. That would have made the final scene much better. 2: That scene would have ultimately undermined Plutarch's entire character. I'm *so* very glad they cut that. 3: Okay, like, this scene was a little superfluous because Katniss already knowing how to tie a noose was totally believable, but *how could you cut it when it would have foreshadowed Finnick's depression and suicidal tendencies while managing to be funny as hell at the same time?* That scene was gold, man! Come on. (Btw I'm willing to bet Sam Claflin improvised that bit at the end and *gah* why would you cut THAT?)
I don't think it would have undermined Plutarch's character at all. Plutarch might have had the right priorities in his heart-liberating the districts, creating a more egalitarian Panem, but he is at his core a Gamemaker. His job is to create a spectacle. Make something that will speak to people, that makes people watch and feel something about what they're seeing. That's was the Quell was. He knew exactly how it would backfire in Snow's face-further enflaming the districts, making Capitol citizens uneasy with the idea of the Games as they know and love the victors, creating an empathetic link between them and the people of the districts. Plutarch and Coin could have stealthily kidnapped Katniss, Peeta, and Haymitch, and spirited them away to 13 before the Quell began and used them for propaganda from there. It would have been a lot easier. They didn't because they knew the Quell, the televised breakout and the live destruction of the arena would violently ignite rebellion. Plutarch did a lot of terrible things for good reasons.
@@chihiroisabelle8680 Plutarch didn't change the rules. He say in the book he didin't even knew at first she will have to go back in the arena. They planned her to be a mentor for the 75' HG not a tribute.
the jabberjay thing is really clunky, snow wouldn't just start spewing exposition-symbolism in that moment to essentially an employee of his. in the quarter quell scene, we don't see anything we didn't know before. it was very obvious they chose the rules specifically to get katniss back to the arena, this is also present in the final film. when snow talks about the winners, that is what he is suggesting - they cut the scene because it explains something that doesn't need an explanation, and makes the movie weaker. we knew plutarch was working with snow until the last possible second, and we knew he was planning the games. his plan wasn't just to get katniss out, but to make her enough of a hero and a symbol that it's worth risking his life for her. this scene doesn't change that, we don't learn anything new.
@@cashmerenerd the exposition mini-speech is actually pretty on brand for snow’s character. and plutarch isn’t just any “employee”, he comes from a very prominent family (and i believe his family had been involved in the hunger games in some way for a while) that snow was familiar with growing up in the capitol. also, symbolism is very important in these books and movies, there are several symbolic moments throughout the series, and just in catching fire alone. it would’ve fit in just fine. and it would’ve been especially important to people who didn’t read the books. the existence of the mockingjay had always represented something much bigger, which is why it was such a great symbol for the rebels. i feel like they actually downplayed the importance of the mockingjay and that scene alone would’ve helped make up for it. snow’s dialogue actually has quite a lot of significance which is why i’m surprised (and bummed) that they cut it. although, i think they could’ve worded it a little better.
@@chihiroisabelle8680 I think the implication that he had always planned to corrupt the Games and destroy the arena is far better. Plutarch was always ten steps ahead of Snow and Coin. The ability to manipulate them both to achieve his own ends was his defining characteristic. To show him *not* planning the Quarter Quell attack well ahead of time would have been a major plothole imo.
I'm sad to admit that I've not been able to read the books due to some head issues, and audio books are still hard for me to accept. But omg! This first clip when Snow is telling the story of jabberjays! It makes so much sense now after watching Ballad!
The fact that those letters in 2:05 were what they were planing for each hunger game and heavensbee changed the 3rd quarter quell for they one that actually happened in order to show the victors they are powerless
Dont get me wrong I absolutely love Evelark, but can't help lowkey shipping Finnick and Katniss as well. I recently read The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes and that deleted moment of President Snow made that moment more impactful especially since very early on he had a disdain for Mockingjays. They should've kept these in
I think the scene was eliminated because it looks like Finnick is flirting with Katniss (Katniss is supposed to end up with Peeta, plus she's 17 while he's like 24) the audience is supposed to root for Finnick, not think that he's a creep that's trying to steal her from Peeta
It is crazy how the original movies and books foreshadowed “Ballad of Songbird and Snakes” I read Ballad and than reread the rest of the books everything has a much deeper meaning.
Plutarch is such an interesting character. How he deceived Snow the whole time, coldly and always with a smile on his face, just like Snow. Also, he grew up in the Capitol, its his home and still he choose to work in favor of their enemies (or what they sold all his life were their enemies).
They need to re-release the first four Hunger Games movies on DVD, in extended versions. Similar to what Lord of the Rings did. Add an hour of cut footage to each movie. I'd buy them all in a minute!
the comments here are either “I wish I was katniss right then!” “You probably wish you were katniss right then and that’s weird!” “Jabberjay goes hard”
Man I love these scenes! They so should have added this to the movie!! This would added so much more depth to the movie! Plus I always kinda seen Finnick and Katniss together! But only if Katniss didn’t have Peeta and Finnick didn’t have his wife. And I mean I wish there were more scenes with Finnick
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I haven't read the books or seen the movies in a minute: do the gamemakers/the capitol know what the quarter quell's are? Like what the difference will be? Because how else would plutarch know to pick a certain envelope?
I'm kind of relieved they left out the scene with Finnick. It makes him seem needlessly antagonistic when he knows he'll need her on his side in the games.
So the room he entered was the room that contained all the letters for the Quarter Quells, dictating what the "twist" would be. What Plutarch did was replace whatever the original twist for the Quarter Quell was and replace it with the twist we see actually used - that the tributes would be drawn from the existing pool of victors. He then burned the original envelope so no one would ever know it existed and thus that the cards had been switched.
the paper that said what the quarter quell theme would be. he replaced it with the paper saying that the previous victors would be tributes (snow's attempt to kill katniss once and for all)
@@faithwagner I think this scene wasn't included in the final movie because it's not necessary. Snow could just say whatever he wanted the third Quarter Quell to be and nobody would challenge him anyway.
@@rickole7404 i agree. The scene doesn’t fit in with the flow of the movie and almost all of the victors know that it was rigged and they express that already throughout the movie
@@faithwagner It gave away wayyy too much about Plutarch being on coins side if we saw that tbh. The movie flowed much better without it and having him subtly hint at his alligence to Katniss in the scenes we got in the final cut.
@@rickole7404 I think it's because in the book, Plutarch say that he didin't knew Katniss will go back into the arena. She was suppose to be a mentor for the 75 HG's, not a tribute...
This also explains how Katniss would know how to tie up the mannequin of Seneca Crane during her assessment - Finnick shows her how
Actually in the books when katniss was little her mom got mad at her for singing the hanging tree while tying a noose
In the books Katniss mostly stayed at the tying knot station, and was worried there wouldn’t be enough dye left since the morphlings were obsessed with painting.
@@m.__m. but the books also say finnick tied it
That’s totally not something that needs explaining tho which I’m sure is why they cut it
@@sea3363 it never says they were tying nooses lol it just says they would sing it while making rope necklaces. she very much does however specify that finnick taught her how to tie a noose
“Don’t look at me, look at the knot” I’ll be weak in the knees for this man.
would you have taken him for a walk?
@@Xian109 any day he wants lol 24/7
real
We were robbed of Finnick. He should have made it.
Suzanne Collins has admitted that Finnick's death is the one thing she would go back and change. She said her publishers were pressuring her to finish the book and she did it for shock value. Sad to think we could still have Finnick if the publishers weren't greedy :(
He was my joint favourite character in the books, with cinna 😢
😢so true😢
@@lexiarie6545 honestly, the fact that it sticks with all of us even this long after makes it an amazing choice. Her instincts were solid.
@@meems4378 Hard disagree. Shocking and good aren't synonyms. Remembering something for how unexpected and sad it was, doesn't make it good. The death did nothing for the plot, changed nothing for the characters, and seemed like a waste of an in-depthly built character. As Suzanne Collins said; it was for shock value and nothing more.
her reaction to Finnick saying “do you wanna take me for a walk?” 💀💀 I cantt
you can see her considering it for a second lol
@@Xian109when she walked away I was like "I volunteer! I VOLUNTEER! i volunteer as tribute."
@@hungariangiraffe6361 LMFAOO FRR
This scene with Snow and Plutarch perfectly captures the ballad of songbirds and snakes, and Snow’s absolute hatred for them
Here’s an explanation along with a horrifying detail:
2:03 each of those chests contain a Quarter Quell theme. In that shot, we see 80 chests (16 rows of 5), and since each Quell is 25 years apart, they planned to do at least 2000 years of Hunger Games. Damn, that’s longer than most empires last.
Also, the 1st Quarter Quell had the tributes voted by the districts (as a reminder that the districts started the rebellion) and the 2nd had twice as many tributes (as a reminder that two rebels died for each Capitol citizen in the rebellion), which is actually the one that Haymitch A. won
Thanks for the details of the Quarter Quells, didn't that how they were set up. That scene with Plutarch going into the that room with the chests should have been left in, what was in the envelope he burned I wonder?...we'll never know.
@@jessesmith-garcia5313the envelope he burned was the original theme of the 3rd quarter quell, which he replaced with the new theme of the existing Victors being the ones reaped (as a reminder that even the strongest cannot defy the Capitol). Remember that he did that in response to Snow saying that “her entire species must be eliminated”
@@daniel_sannguyen I think jessesmith-garcia5313 wondered what the original planned quarter quell would have looked like.
@ascii5616 I think it would have been very similar. The Victors wouldn't have been touched, but I guess it could have been something like "As a reminder, that everyone is and will always be at the mercy of the capitol, the upper age limit during this years reaping will be removed. Everyone from the age of 12 on can be chosen, regardless of mental or physical condition. This is to remind the rebels, that the capitol always has the absolute power, even over those who think that they are safe
what would’ve been insanely interesting is if the readers got to know what the initial plan for the 3rd quarter quell would have been
When finnick says “I’m sorry” in a calm way right before he repeats: “I’m really sorry.” In a way more serious tone as though he genuinely felt horrible shows how much the prostitution affected him. It changed him to be more way more… sexual, before he actually realised it himself but honestly, annie legit saved him, in my opinion. They loved each other for each other
I've heard that some victims of sexual abuse turn hypersexual, so it's pretty realistic.
This is exactly what I thought when I saw this scene
Wo wurde erwähnt das Finnick ein prostitutionssklave ist?
I love finnick he’s so funny
OH MY GOSH FINNICK! I especially love how perfectly the cut is when katniss leaves Finnick!
There are countless Katniss x Finnick fanfictions that were never written due to that scene getting cut 😂
Good that’s fucking weird
Yeah the shippers were really hung out to dry
Fart Nobody is suggesting to use AI to superimpose Lawrence's and Finnick's actor's face onto p*rn or some sh*t. THAT would be fn' weird. Not horny teenagers writing about fictional (!!!) characters. That's pretty normal actually.
@@redclover8387pun intended or not intended
@@fart63 fr she was 17 and he's like 25
LOOOOOOOL! The part where Finnick comes up behind Katniss is the most replayed part of the video bahahahaha. Everyone watching that part is probably like "I WISH THAT WAS ME!!!!"
I love how towards the end Katniss was so done with him and walked away 😂😂😂
Why you gotta call me out like that fam
I do wish that they had kept the scene about the Mockingjay, but I’m glad that they caught the part with Plutarch. It really did undermined what his character was like and how he didn’t actually want Katniss to be her or dad because he wanted her to be the Mockingjay.
As for Finnic, I wish they would’ve left it in because it would have shown how depressed he was, what he was expected to act like in the capital due to his years of forcibly being in sexual servitude to the capital, and I would’ve given us more moments between Katniss and Finnick. 2/3 scene were pretty darn good
I think Plutarch wanted her to be the Mockingjay for the rebellion, but not to the extreme Coin wanted her to. Also by doing this they would be able to rescue the victors they needed without having to travel the entire country to get them
Idk I got the flirtatious vibes from Finnick a little to strongly in that scene. I think they eliminated it because it was inappropiate considering that Katniss is still a minor and that he already has a girlfriend.
your opinion is dumb af@@thearcanamodernau8130
Wo wurde das mit Finnick gesagt? Habe auch was von Glimmer deswegen gehört
Not me at 3:32 yelling "I volunteer! I VOLUNTEER! I volunteer as tribute!"😅
You can take me for a walk, Finnick...
Shut up, you were thinking it too.
I wish they had kept these in. It further explains Snow's hatred of the mockingjays and how it became a symbol of rebellion, and how Katniss becoming that symbol was a huge slap in the face for him. Finnick's scene shouldve been kept because it shows how screwed up he was after his Games and being prostituted by Snow. In Mockingjay pt 1 we also see Finnick tying knots a lot, abd it would've just given the movies some continuity. It wouldve shown that tying knots was something that comforted him, like a nervous tick formed out of a dark place
I sorta wish that they had left these scenes in the movies.
Me too! Especially the explanation about the mocking jay
Why is he exchanging this document?? 🤔
@@mathildewesendonck7225 it's to imply that they rigged the third Quarter Quell to have all tributes be former Victors...Katniss was the only living female Victor from District 12, so she would automatically have to compete again.
@@SF-wz5tz Snow just really wanted her dead. Yet, she survived two hunger games, became the girl on fire, lead the second rebellion against the capitol, and killed Coin and Snow.
@@nate09392 Well she didn't kill Snow...the people mobbed him.
"you wanna take me for a walk" WHY DID THEY LEAVE THIS OUT 😭
I wonder what the 75th Quarter Quell was supposed to be, before it was changed.
Suzanne Collins said in an interview it was supposed to be brother and sister
@@despacito-vt5jw Imagine if that was Gale and one of his brothers.
@@despacito-vt5jwthat’s so interesting, would have made for very interesting games, especially if the final 2 were brother and sister and had to turn on each other. Also it’s funny because we actually got a brother sister pair of tributes in the 75th games because of the card change with cashmere and gloss from district 1.
That really doesn’t change all that much for some tributes in cr lmao
its only the 3rd quarter quell btw
im crying the way finnick like jump scared her and TOUCHED her waist😭😭✋
Finnick coming up behind Katniss and practically whispering in her ear has me feeling all sorts of ways 😢😢😰😥😥😰😢.
How does he EXUDE sex appeal/seduction so easily?!?! Id melt if he got that close to me, got behind me like that, and started talking to me all seductive like he did in the deleted scene. He was perfectly cast as Finnick and you can't convince me otherwise.
Right? I would fold immediately he’s so fine
Bruhhh
@@madzy890 Lol I hope not!!! That's creepy af
girl wat
Have you seen the scene where he rushes to drink the water from that tap during the games? I had to google if the actor is gay or not because...uhm...sir, that's a bit too much 🤣
Dr. Gaul planned for the Hunger Games to go on a Loooong time based on how many mailboxes there are in that quarter quell room
Not surprising if she was the one that brainstormed most of those quarter quells
Who is Dr. Gaul?
@@ItsJorge_Perez The first game maker and creator of the hunger games
@@edra2005 not the creator but the implementor. A duo of students (I think snows father was one of them) created the idea
@@joshred1571 CREATOR
She is the one that made them come to life
Casa Highbottom might have conceived the idea but he was not the creator
@@ItsJorge_Perez it’s in the prequel
This scene not only give Finnick more characters but Katniss as well!
Always wondered if Plutarch suggested the quarter quell idea to save Katniss and other victors from from straight up execution by Snow or as the only way to really get the revolution off the ground
Well at least in the books it was stated, that even Plutarch was surprised by the twist, which makes me believe that Snow himself changed the card
@@fifaisscripted yea after watching this I’ve learned they deleted this in the movie because it’s not why Plutarch did in the book and they were following Suzanna Collins script as close as possible
No,I don't think so it was plutarch,because during the victory tour party at the capital,where he first meets ketnis,he shows her hus watch and there she sees a symbol of a mockingjay,and plutarch says that it starts at midnight (as a hint to the hourly challenges of the 75th hg)later in the book he reveals that while giving that hint to katniss,he never expected her to be in that arena again,which clears the fact that it was snow who came up with the change
this kinda makes me wonder what the original third Quarter Quell format was supposed to be hahaha
@pr1za857 oh yikes
Brothers and sisters
Finnick is exactly how I imagine him from the book.
I'm re-reading the books right now and the jabberjay/mockingjay explanation and symbolism is so important to the plot and context of why it becomes the representation of the rebellion, i dont understand why they would cut that part, even if to have someone else explain it/ in a different scene. It is the same theme of katniss being an accidental backfire on the capitol.
The absence of the scene is made up for in the ballad of songbirds and snakes
That room containing all the Quarter Quell boxes reminds me a lottttt of the place the Winchesters have in later seasons of SPN
3:25 lmao the way she turned 😭😂
"Do you wanna take me for a walk?" That was so funny.
Finnik is the best but you can see hardly him in the movies
Finnicks character is so tragic his fate was truly devastating
Snow explaining mockingjays should have been left it
R.I.P Mr. Hoffman, aka Hevensbee
I am so curious what the original quarter quell idea would have been in this case. I wish Plutarch would've secretly opened it to show the camera and then burn it so the audience would know what could have been
In the book, he didin't change the rules at all. That's why they removed the scene. He didin't even knew she was about to return into the arena. They were all planning on her being a mentor, not a tribute...
@@EvilMockingJayhold up, you’re telling me in the book, the victors being rereaped was the original idea for the quarter quell? Seems crazy, I always thought Plutarch came up with it to either save Katniss and the other victors from being executed by Snow and/or to get the revolution off the ground.
@@jsaxton128 We don't know. Maybe that was the original idea, but (and I think the second one is the truth) maybe it's Snow or someone else in the Capitol who change the letters. But Plutarch and the rebels didin't knew that. They planned indeed on saving a lot of victors and the quarter quell, well... Change their plans on just saving Katniss and if possible the ones who survived the arena...
imagine if the games kept going after this one and they get to whatever quarter quell that bro just took that envelope from lmaoo
"Welcome to the 225th Hunger Games! And may the odds, be ever in your favour. This years quarter quell: 'As a reminder to all of the patience and mercy shown by the capital, we uhm. . . urge you to repay us those virtues and uh. . . give us like 15 minutes to sort this out uhm-"
"do you wanna take me for a walk?" YES
I think they need to do an extended version of the movies. So many of these clips add so much to the story.
1: I have no idea why they cut that part about the Jabberjays. That would have made the final scene much better.
2: That scene would have ultimately undermined Plutarch's entire character. I'm *so* very glad they cut that.
3: Okay, like, this scene was a little superfluous because Katniss already knowing how to tie a noose was totally believable, but *how could you cut it when it would have foreshadowed Finnick's depression and suicidal tendencies while managing to be funny as hell at the same time?* That scene was gold, man! Come on.
(Btw I'm willing to bet Sam Claflin improvised that bit at the end and *gah* why would you cut THAT?)
I don't think it would have undermined Plutarch's character at all. Plutarch might have had the right priorities in his heart-liberating the districts, creating a more egalitarian Panem, but he is at his core a Gamemaker. His job is to create a spectacle. Make something that will speak to people, that makes people watch and feel something about what they're seeing. That's was the Quell was. He knew exactly how it would backfire in Snow's face-further enflaming the districts, making Capitol citizens uneasy with the idea of the Games as they know and love the victors, creating an empathetic link between them and the people of the districts.
Plutarch and Coin could have stealthily kidnapped Katniss, Peeta, and Haymitch, and spirited them away to 13 before the Quell began and used them for propaganda from there. It would have been a lot easier. They didn't because they knew the Quell, the televised breakout and the live destruction of the arena would violently ignite rebellion. Plutarch did a lot of terrible things for good reasons.
@@chihiroisabelle8680 Plutarch didn't change the rules. He say in the book he didin't even knew at first she will have to go back in the arena. They planned her to be a mentor for the 75' HG not a tribute.
the jabberjay thing is really clunky, snow wouldn't just start spewing exposition-symbolism in that moment to essentially an employee of his.
in the quarter quell scene, we don't see anything we didn't know before. it was very obvious they chose the rules specifically to get katniss back to the arena, this is also present in the final film. when snow talks about the winners, that is what he is suggesting - they cut the scene because it explains something that doesn't need an explanation, and makes the movie weaker.
we knew plutarch was working with snow until the last possible second, and we knew he was planning the games. his plan wasn't just to get katniss out, but to make her enough of a hero and a symbol that it's worth risking his life for her. this scene doesn't change that, we don't learn anything new.
@@cashmerenerd the exposition mini-speech is actually pretty on brand for snow’s character. and plutarch isn’t just any “employee”, he comes from a very prominent family (and i believe his family had been involved in the hunger games in some way for a while) that snow was familiar with growing up in the capitol. also, symbolism is very important in these books and movies, there are several symbolic moments throughout the series, and just in catching fire alone. it would’ve fit in just fine. and it would’ve been especially important to people who didn’t read the books. the existence of the mockingjay had always represented something much bigger, which is why it was such a great symbol for the rebels. i feel like they actually downplayed the importance of the mockingjay and that scene alone would’ve helped make up for it. snow’s dialogue actually has quite a lot of significance which is why i’m surprised (and bummed) that they cut it. although, i think they could’ve worded it a little better.
@@chihiroisabelle8680 I think the implication that he had always planned to corrupt the Games and destroy the arena is far better. Plutarch was always ten steps ahead of Snow and Coin. The ability to manipulate them both to achieve his own ends was his defining characteristic. To show him *not* planning the Quarter Quell attack well ahead of time would have been a major plothole imo.
Finnick is the best
The first scene makes me wonder if Suzanne always had an idea for a president snow prequel years ago
I hope they re-release these movies in theaters around the same time as the new Hunger Games movie. Similar to Avatar
I hope so! I didn’t ever get to see these in theaters bc i was younger when they came out, so I would love to experience it
He switched the theme of that years game Brilliant
I love how the first scene reflects Snow’s same thoughts about the Mockingjay during his time in 12 in TBSAS book
ill take you for a walk finnick 😏😏
I'm sad to admit that I've not been able to read the books due to some head issues, and audio books are still hard for me to accept. But omg! This first clip when Snow is telling the story of jabberjays! It makes so much sense now after watching Ballad!
The music when Plutarch was walking down the stairs/burning the paper was amazing
The Katniss Finnik scene was great
The jabberjay scene should have stayed
I haven’t these scenes in a while. I love this movie. 🔥
Can we get the extended edition of these movies like the LOTR. I’m begging 🙏
R.I.P Donald Suttherland..😢😢Goodbye, President Snow.
The fact that those letters in 2:05 were what they were planing for each hunger game and heavensbee changed the 3rd quarter quell for they one that actually happened in order to show the victors they are powerless
Dont get me wrong I absolutely love Evelark, but can't help lowkey shipping Finnick and Katniss as well. I recently read The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes and that deleted moment of President Snow made that moment more impactful especially since very early on he had a disdain for Mockingjays. They should've kept these in
Eh, I think pairing a 24 year old with someone still in their teens is icky regardless
Uh they’re like 7 years apart
do you wanna take me for a walk - finnick odair 😭
the changing of the card!!
I think the scene was eliminated because it looks like Finnick is flirting with Katniss (Katniss is supposed to end up with Peeta, plus she's 17 while he's like 24) the audience is supposed to root for Finnick, not think that he's a creep that's trying to steal her from Peeta
I think they didn't want to see kids watching a noose being prepared
I thought they remove the scene because of him being REALLY good at tying knot because he's in the Prostitute Industry
We will forever stan Finnick 😭❤️👏
The way these scenes extend give it Songbirds and Snakes vibes. Except even better because it’s Donald and Seymour
It is crazy how the original movies and books foreshadowed “Ballad of Songbird and Snakes” I read Ballad and than reread the rest of the books everything has a much deeper meaning.
Plutarch is such an interesting character. How he deceived Snow the whole time, coldly and always with a smile on his face, just like Snow. Also, he grew up in the Capitol, its his home and still he choose to work in favor of their enemies (or what they sold all his life were their enemies).
"Do you want to take me for a walk"? Hehehe he's so cute 😍 ❤
noo this just reminded me of finnicks death😭
I want to take him for a walk
Don't we all
Do you want to take me for a walk?
OMG Finnick you are hillarious 😂
They need to re-release the first four Hunger Games movies on DVD, in extended versions. Similar to what Lord of the Rings did. Add an hour of cut footage to each movie. I'd buy them all in a minute!
If I’m not mistaken the book quarter announcement came out if the blue and it was impression Snow came up with it
When he asked her to take him for a walk on the leash 😂🙈
the comments here are either
“I wish I was katniss right then!”
“You probably wish you were katniss right then and that’s weird!”
“Jabberjay goes hard”
I’ll take you for a walk finnick
1:40 the way plutarch is walking sent me omfg
Man I love these scenes! They so should have added this to the movie!!
This would added so much more depth to the movie! Plus I always kinda seen Finnick and Katniss together! But only if Katniss didn’t have Peeta and Finnick didn’t have his wife.
And I mean I wish there were more scenes with Finnick
okay, so nooow it makes sense why would he call the victors "their entire species"
Sam does a really good American scent
“What we game makers like to call” bruh snow was a gamemaker too
They should've left this in.
Sutherland and Seymour were brilliant. Why were these deleted from the theatrical cut? 🙄
Easy answer is a 2 hours and 26 minute movie already. While a good scene it is not a necessary one which is why it did not make the cut.
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Ok but now I NEED to know what the old quell was
Now Imma go crazy wondering what the real Quarter Quell was supposed to be😭😭
I haven't read the books or seen the movies in a minute: do the gamemakers/the capitol know what the quarter quell's are? Like what the difference will be? Because how else would plutarch know to pick a certain envelope?
I would have enjoyed taking Finnick for a walk.
we were robbed of the finnick scene 💔💔
Why did they not include this in the movie?
Do u want to take me for a walk looooool
Why is everything orange
I'm kind of relieved they left out the scene with Finnick. It makes him seem needlessly antagonistic when he knows he'll need her on his side in the games.
That was my thinking as well, painted him to more of the villain Katniss had imagined
I don't understand what Plutarch took out and changed that letter, and then burned it.
So the room he entered was the room that contained all the letters for the Quarter Quells, dictating what the "twist" would be.
What Plutarch did was replace whatever the original twist for the Quarter Quell was and replace it with the twist we see actually used - that the tributes would be drawn from the existing pool of victors. He then burned the original envelope so no one would ever know it existed and thus that the cards had been switched.
Finnick asking to be a dog lmfao
Darn I want to know what the real quarter quell was.
Absolutely
As a reminder for the Capitols people that lose their family,The Tributes are supposed to be reaped from peoples who have Brother/Sister
Finnick should have lived not gale
What did he burn?
The old quell idea
What Was In The envelope ✉
The original 3rd quater quell game idea
what was he burning?
the paper that said what the quarter quell theme would be. he replaced it with the paper saying that the previous victors would be tributes (snow's attempt to kill katniss once and for all)
@@faithwagner I think this scene wasn't included in the final movie because it's not necessary. Snow could just say whatever he wanted the third Quarter Quell to be and nobody would challenge him anyway.
@@rickole7404 i agree. The scene doesn’t fit in with the flow of the movie and almost all of the victors know that it was rigged and they express that already throughout the movie
@@faithwagner It gave away wayyy too much about Plutarch being on coins side if we saw that tbh. The movie flowed much better without it and having him subtly hint at his alligence to Katniss in the scenes we got in the final cut.
@@rickole7404 I think it's because in the book, Plutarch say that he didin't knew Katniss will go back into the arena. She was suppose to be a mentor for the 75 HG's, not a tribute...
Wish Finnick would have been Peeta
1:40 the way plutarch is walking sent me omfg