Vehicle Inspectorate (UK) - MOT Matters - Rotten Cars - VIV03 (1997)

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  • Vehicle Inspectorate (UK) - MOT Matters - Rotten Cars (1997)
    For older vehicles, corrosion is a common cause of MOT failure. It is also a part of the test which often gives concern to Nominated Testers. Unless a correct assessment is made a corroded vehicle which is still safe may be unnnecessarily failed and perhaps consigned to the scrapheap. Even worse an unsafe vehicle could be used on the road without the owner realising.
    This Video has been produced by the Vehicle Inspecorate Training Services to assist MOT nominated testers in detecting and assessing corrosion on vehuicles presented for test. it shows:
    - Methods of detecting corrosion
    - Assesssment of location and extent of corrosion
    - Prescribed abnd non-prescribed areas on the vehicle
    - Pass and fail criteria
    - Assessment of methods of repair to corroded areas
    VIV3
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  • @johnenochpowellmbe1294
    @johnenochpowellmbe1294 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    In 2019, it's no longer corrosion that decides the fate of the vehicle, it's the electonics that decide the economic fate of a viable repair, Progress? I don't think so!

    • @peterduxbury927
      @peterduxbury927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yes, failing electronics will send a Mercedes to an early grave. If not the grave - a very poor resale value. Stick with simplicity - like an early Beetle.

    • @Deano14397
      @Deano14397 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's rocksalt if you have a car in the UK

    • @pug2052
      @pug2052 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      2019 when times were better 🫣

    • @Alex462047
      @Alex462047 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The level of complexity legislated into cars these days, especially throught the emissions standards, really seems to suggest that there is a movement in government interested in substantially reducing or entirely removing mass private vehicle ownership.

  • @zoidberg444
    @zoidberg444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Press F to pay respects to all those classics. It brings a tear to my eyes!

  • @GPOTOM
    @GPOTOM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Video from 1997, loads of D and E reg Fords and Vauxhalls piled up in the scrappy at just 10 years old, probably all rotten. Meanwhile that G reg Volvo 760 on the garage ramp in the background was still on the road in 2007.

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      GPOTOM I believe the Defender at about 3:20 is still on the road now

    • @analystab1
      @analystab1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those were actually built to last.

    • @H71BCD
      @H71BCD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A colleague was part of this film production and it was filmed in late 1996, not that this makes it that much worse for those 10 year old cars. It seems that from around the mid 1990s there was a move away from getting major repair work carried out on the family car, such as engine reconditioning or welding jobs so that you could give the car three or four more years on the road. Car models started to change more frequently but many of them weren't that much better. We had one of the last Golf Mk 3 models from early 1997 and it started to go rotten in the early 2000s and a relatives Mercedes E Class from around the same period literally fell to bits with rot that you would have seen on some cars from the 70s.

  • @anthonydale2218
    @anthonydale2218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    would kill to see some of these cars still on the roads, but instead the roads are cluttered with bloody Nisaan Qashqai's

  • @marksterriker4724
    @marksterriker4724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I worked in a scrap yard in the late 80s early 90s . Nearly Every car that came in, drove in . It was always the rust that brought them in . Now its the engine because of all bull#$it electronics.

  • @riverhuntingdon6659
    @riverhuntingdon6659 5 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    Some classic Autoshite there ! Pity we live in such a throwaway society. I'm still driving my 1994 Rover SEI and yes, it's had the head gasket done LOL.

    • @rovr
      @rovr  5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      a man of CLASS

    • @rarevhsuploads4995
      @rarevhsuploads4995 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I'm keeping my Rover 75 on the road. The head gasket hasn't gone on its K series engine. If it ever does I'd get it done then sell it & buy one with BMW engine or transplant an engine. Old cars are viable if they are maintained properly but they need money spending on them. New cars cost more in monthly HP payments & devaluation so it still makes economic sense. Often repairs & maintenance cost more than the old vehicles value but if you plan to keep it then it's still value for money.

    • @briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206
      @briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @River Huntington... MASSIVE RESPECT to what you are saying.. I am trying my VERY VERY VERY best to keep my 20 Year old Toyota Celica on the roads... I have spent a total of £500++ on repairs in the last 2 Months and YES the car has developed YET ANOTHER problem this weekend which means more repair bills and more time without a car AGAIN!
      The car has done 169,000 Miles and is 20 Years old... Maybe the car is trying to say she is ready for "Car heaven" and she has simply had enough..

    • @KarlHamilton
      @KarlHamilton 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Hubnut? Is that you? lol

    • @Wreck-Gar
      @Wreck-Gar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206 You'd love Scotty Kilmer's channel 👍

  • @soundseeker63
    @soundseeker63 6 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    So many old motors that would now be classics in that scrappy! I bet a Cortina estate in decent nick would be worth a few bob now!

    • @procta2343
      @procta2343 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Those I have seen go for nearly 2k!

    • @ianclinthorne9968
      @ianclinthorne9968 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I saw a couple Quattros in there

    • @monstersince
      @monstersince 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      a Cortina estate yes please soundseeker63 . i sold a crusader when a new job gave me sierras

    • @FatherJack-b1u
      @FatherJack-b1u 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Any old piece of shit we have now could be worth keeping hold of and may earn us a few bob in 20 years

    • @MrSupercar55
      @MrSupercar55 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Since corrosion to the framework is referenced herein, there could be a few issues. Of course if you wanted to, you could weld it up, since the Cortina was notorious for corrosion, and many have rusted away completely now. Hope this helps.
      th-cam.com/video/tKyzkFglx2k/w-d-xo.html

  • @DoubleDeckerAnton
    @DoubleDeckerAnton 5 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    That's why we need to preserve all our 'classic cars' now before it's too late...!!!

    • @fergalgallagher6987
      @fergalgallagher6987 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      12 Volts it’s just a petty they were lovely cars lx and l type

    • @TheRazvy1990
      @TheRazvy1990 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Two E38 here.....and a W210.....must a W140 !!!! Or 10 !!!

    • @djyems1021
      @djyems1021 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheRazvy1990 what the hell do you mean???

    • @TheRazvy1990
      @TheRazvy1990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@djyems1021 hmmm...read again....and think !!!! 😅😅😛😛

    • @shahd501
      @shahd501 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amd buses, RIP the original RM

  • @RayEttler
    @RayEttler 6 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    0:55 audi coupe .... funny how someone thought back then "let's just scrap it!"

    • @bencrosbie
      @bencrosbie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      RayEttler yeah spotted that felt uncomfortable seeing that

    • @markf4720
      @markf4720 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've recently bought one just like that, it's not been on the road for 25 years so needs a fair bit of work, possibly more than the one in the video!

  • @retr0naut823
    @retr0naut823 6 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    The Mot assessor called Colin sounds uncannily like Bob Mortimer.

    • @hydorah
      @hydorah 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And he looks like John Thompson from the Fast Show!

    • @BREN70S
      @BREN70S 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You wouldn't let it lie .

    • @edgarbeat275
      @edgarbeat275 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He does hahahaha

    • @Denis-tg6jw
      @Denis-tg6jw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "It's a Reeves and Mortimer video; no better guarantee of quality"

    • @bigcrispyhied
      @bigcrispyhied 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jesus..he really does.

  • @Merseysiderful
    @Merseysiderful 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    “Corrosion Assessment Tool” - a hammer !

  • @orag-konigsbergerrundfunk5220
    @orag-konigsbergerrundfunk5220 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I´m german and I´m driving my little east german car since 1968, as a daily driver until 2005 (when i bought a Volkswagen because of the children) and since 2005 nearly every weekend and on vacation. My Dad drove the Wanderer 4-Door-Limousine of his parents from 1932 on when it was new. It was his car through the third reich, the war and the socialist era until 1990 when he bought a new west german car.
    And the old Wanderer is still intact and used by us for weddings, etc.
    People whose cars end up at the junkyard after only 10 years, and whose vehicles look like the ones in the video, are definitely doing something fundamentally wrong.

    • @saxongreen78
      @saxongreen78 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes! A car doesn't owe you unwavering service and brilliant appearance, with no love nor care from its owner. (My own fleet was built between 1960 and 1990...not even _close_ to being scrapped!)

    • @santiirigoyen3334
      @santiirigoyen3334 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Trabant?

    • @joaoc_PT
      @joaoc_PT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      it should be illegal to scrap road worthy vehicles. Sometimes used as scam to buy new ones

  • @retrorelicsandrepairs8572
    @retrorelicsandrepairs8572 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    What gets me is this. People are saying poor Sierra. Ok fair point. But surely that car should have been stripped before being crushed? At least had the wheels removed? The body will have been rusty, but there looked to have been a lot of useful parts. All gone to waste.

    • @Cascroft-lp6ir
      @Cascroft-lp6ir 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      It was 1997 😂 These things were ten a penny and thousands of them in the scrapyards

    • @kaceyanders6599
      @kaceyanders6599 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The one thing that I always find 'wrong' (IMHO, maybe not everyone else'!) is that they don't break the windows before crushing; look at the spread of that rear windscreen as they crush, the glass flies quite a distance away.

    • @MrSuperheterodyne
      @MrSuperheterodyne 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Cascroft-lp6ir I remember them well... and XR2i's you don't see them anymore. I remember when every boy racer had one. Then there was the Vauxhall Nova... another ultra common car you just don't see anymore. I feel old now.

    • @JNFGAMBLER
      @JNFGAMBLER 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kaceyanders6599 That's why we have those helpful souls from the HSE, to stop us from hurting ourselves and others.

    • @-sargntclashroyaleandmore-491
      @-sargntclashroyaleandmore-491 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrSuperheterodyne Now its just Corsas and fiesta STs

  • @robbaker9103
    @robbaker9103 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    My 20 year old daily bmw e36 saloon is still going strong, with next to no rust & no welding ever been done! I won't scrap it... ever!

    • @hamstirrer6882
      @hamstirrer6882 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      David Lulham just another reason to avoid big cities and city centres as much as possible haha

    • @bencrosbie
      @bencrosbie 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Looks mint. Keeping old cars will be more of a challenge.

    • @c7uk
      @c7uk 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      In London, from April 2019, anything pre 2006 will be ‘too old’ and will have to pay a daily £12 charge...

    • @SuperFIFTHGEAR
      @SuperFIFTHGEAR 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@c7uk Yet another charge on top of the congestion charge, and T-charge (or is that the t-charge, but I thought that was already in force)?

    • @c7uk
      @c7uk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SuperFIFTHGEAR - it’s the ULEZ. Sadiq wanted to bring it forward to 2018 but wasn’t permitted so he introduced the T-charge in the meantime. It’s similar but not so complete. Basically, it’s money making - as long as you pay you can drive whatever you like 🙄

  • @simonworman7898
    @simonworman7898 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This man is a true credit to his profession and a greatexample to existing and would be examiners first class video

  • @suetownsend5373
    @suetownsend5373 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I've just moved to Bulgaria and it's great seeing all these old classics still on the road .....in the uk they would have been scrapped years ago 😂 but must admit a scrapyard would be the best place for some of them 😀

  • @colingibson954
    @colingibson954 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Well, this is interesting - just found out this vid has made it to TH-cam. Thank you to those who said they found it useful. Yes, I do sound like Bob Mortimer, no surprise there - we come from the same part of the country. As for the people who took issue with my.... er...sartorial elegance, please bear in mind that this was shot 20+ years ago. Perhaps you can post something from 20 years ago to allow some kind of comparison. By the way, the beard is still there, just greyer, lol!
    Interestingly, at the time the vid was made I did indeed have a Doberman - very perceptive, whoever you are. However, I didn't (and don't) sell drugs to kids, so that was a bit wide of the mark.
    Anyway, all that is behind me now. I spend my time doing lots of things, mainly with to do with motorbikes and restoring old cars. Putting theory into practice, so to speak.
    I see that some people have put some quite negative comments as well. Never mind, its not as if I give a flying fuck. But if you have and you bump into me somewhere, perhaps you can say it to my face instead of hiding behind your keyboard. Things would get very interesting very quickly, ha ha!

    • @rovr
      @rovr  5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thanks for commenting Colin. Ignore the naysayers, you should be proud of appearing in the video. not many people are asked to represent their profession in materials such as this 👍

    • @colingibson954
      @colingibson954 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@rovr Hello, thank you for your kind words. In fact, I am proud of it - more so because it was the first ever MoT training video we produced.

    • @Me-zo8yc
      @Me-zo8yc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@colingibson954 Keyboard warriors mug everyone off mate! I bet you never expected to see this vid again

    • @razzaib2817
      @razzaib2817 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Colin you hard bastard 🤣🤣🤣

    • @GTMarmot
      @GTMarmot ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That was my look too, up until 2003/2004!

  • @General.Longstreet
    @General.Longstreet 5 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Poor old Sierra RIP

    • @alexascs2679
      @alexascs2679 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      💩car before my time.

    • @seb959
      @seb959 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There was a mk2 astra gte as well at the start. Only an 8 valve so I guess it's not too bad

    • @MrSupercar55
      @MrSupercar55 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If I remember rightly, the Sierra was available as both a saloon and an estate. I tell you something, right. They are very spacious things.

  • @davarosmith1334
    @davarosmith1334 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That SIERRA at the beginning looked to good to scrap. I wish I could go back in time and buy it before it got picked up and took to the scrappy!

    • @ivecodaddy4817
      @ivecodaddy4817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well my friend you are in look!?!!! I am designing/ engineering a time machine to do just that. So all i am asking is for you to invest all your hard earned cash in to my offshore bank account so i can get the ball rolling. I look forward to hearing from you.

  • @sjguk267
    @sjguk267 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Remember taking my '79 Capri in for an MOT and nearly getting done for assault on the testers wrist cause he had to write so much on the fail sheet lol!

    • @kevinbaird7277
      @kevinbaird7277 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol

    • @video99couk
      @video99couk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I took a Triumph 2000 for an MOT and the testers came out laughing. They said it had some legal re-mould tyres but otherwise everything had failed or couldn't be tested. Amazingly though, that car got fixed and ran for many years afterwards.

  • @josephshaw5225
    @josephshaw5225 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Corrosion assessment tool is on my Christmas list.

    • @kenh3344
      @kenh3344 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is it the missing one from 2 0r 3 comment a above yours?? Garage had one missing???

  • @video99couk
    @video99couk 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    All those scrapped bangers are way newer than my daily drive! But yes, my 1972 Hillman Avenger has had the odd spot of welding done to keep the MOT tester happy. Interesting that they mention you can't weld a trailing arm link, which will explain why I had to replace those rather than get them repaired for the most recent MOT.

    • @bonkeydollocks1879
      @bonkeydollocks1879 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yea anything that is classed as a part you cannot weld but chassis and body you can

    • @TheGalacticEmperorOfLabels
      @TheGalacticEmperorOfLabels ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My dad had one of those when I was a kid. Yours must be one of the very last on the roads.

  • @HK.Builds
    @HK.Builds 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    That MR2 at 5:52 was MOTd last year. Its a GTS MR2.

    • @HK.Builds
      @HK.Builds 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @gerard burton i know right. I'm not surprised. Special car.

    • @JPtRkM
      @JPtRkM 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mine was a J registered mr2 which finally ended its life in 2015 😑

    • @markmooch
      @markmooch 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should contact the owner! Put the reg in to Facebook.

  • @iliaslamari7315
    @iliaslamari7315 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    *I'm from the Netherlands and the MOT rules from the UK are very similar to those we have.* But we have also the rule that not more than 10% of the body most have rust, otherwise, it's a fail. Also here it's not allowed to welded around suspension mounting components or subframes. Only if it is considered as solid and then that the welds aren't visible. Also over here they just use a screwdriver so even if your car is solid they can leave damage behind because of poking in the sills and so on. So this tool would be amazing! It doesn't damage the paint!

    • @valicourt
      @valicourt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ilias Lamari you mean the C.A.T.?
      ( Corrosion Assessment Tool, or hammer )

  • @TheGalacticEmperorOfLabels
    @TheGalacticEmperorOfLabels 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That northern bloke's voice is extremely relaxing. He'd be great in sales.

  • @ferrettable
    @ferrettable 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    what a fantastic informative video thanks

  • @01322521959
    @01322521959 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Very interesting. I am in Thailand and see loads of pick ups with collapsed suspension stopped in the middle of traffic. MOT test is interesting to say the least here.

    • @DavidB-rx3km
      @DavidB-rx3km 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My girlfriend is American and she can’t believe I can’t technically drive my car anymore if a bulb has blown.

    • @MrSupercar55
      @MrSupercar55 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DavidB-rx3kmyeah, that sounds about right. Typical American consumerism. Splashing the cash while the British economy is up the shitter as per usual.

  • @MauriceSaraber
    @MauriceSaraber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is why you should clean your car every 2 weeks, just to prevent any corrosion.. I've got a 1997 Citroen and it has no corrosion at all!

  • @funnypranker34
    @funnypranker34 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Here in the United States even in New York and California, they check the car’s undercarriage for mechanical issues mostly, not really rust unless it’s a major part. But quarter panel rust shouldn’t cause failure. I live in Illinois and these cars are good to go

    • @Me-zo8yc
      @Me-zo8yc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't your cars have separate chassis/body though? Ours are monocoque,

  • @matt697n
    @matt697n 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is amazing, thank you

  • @edwilko8819
    @edwilko8819 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    amazing how cars have cahnged into Mobile entertainment systems and we wonder why cars crashes are on the up

    • @Cupat1
      @Cupat1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Ed....You're bang on, some folk are to busy buggering about stuff they smash or loose concentration

  • @hydorah
    @hydorah 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What an excellent video!

  • @justsumguy2u
    @justsumguy2u 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The MOT is brutal. I can understand if a car's structure has been compromised, making it unsafe, but corrosion on non-structural body panels should not be a cause for failure. If you've got holes in the wings, that might be unsightly, but it's certainly not unsafe.

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      justsomeguytoyou that’s why those things are not a cause for failure! Ha.

    • @justsumguy2u
      @justsumguy2u 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Landie_Man That's not what he said in the video. If there is rust that can potentially cut someone if they brush against it, the inspector can fail it.

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      justsomeguytoyou ah yes. He can! But not for surface rust. Only if it becomes sharp.

    • @cardude5323
      @cardude5323 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My wife was lasserated by an astra MK3 10 or so years ago in a car park by walking past it, rusty old heap. Cars are no different than white goods really. And if they are dangerous they need fixing or scrapping.

    • @mikesully110
      @mikesully110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had to scrap a perfectly decent punto because the drivers door didn't close smoothly. You had to lift it up to close it. It latched securely and was perfectly fine, but it failed the MOT. = MOT causes global warming. the Americans just have an emissions test but this crap cuntry is Tax Tax Tax

  • @stuartleckie
    @stuartleckie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was an MOT tester back in the early 90s
    Many cars were not so far gone that a little bit of welding wouldn’t fix.
    Mind you, quite a few cars I tested were indeed rot boxes and not at all safe to drive in.
    UK had weather and road salt that really added to how badly some cars rusted.

    • @scotty87able
      @scotty87able 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I bet most cars u failed for rust were mk4/5 cortinas cavalier mk 2s escort mk 3s etc

  • @Josh24s
    @Josh24s 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Old classic cars should never get scrapped end of. It makes me sad seeing these beautiful cars getting destroyed :(

    • @k0rndog93
      @k0rndog93 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I agree! Not sure where you're from, but in the USA, Obama's lousy dumb "Cash for clunkers" Really did a number on older classics that still had a ton of life left in them =(
      Edit- And a lot of those classics were in amazing shape, too. Pisses me off

    • @garethifan1034
      @garethifan1034 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They were rot boxes to start with, especially Fords. The only cars I never did any welding on were the Volvo 7/900 series.

    • @MiniFR12
      @MiniFR12 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      These cars were only 10-20 years old at the time of making this. They weren’t valuable and many didn’t have the time/money/space to save them. It’s exactly how we’d treat a Mondeo or a 206.

    • @TheMentalblockrock
      @TheMentalblockrock 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I didn't see any classic cars in that video - mostly 1980's hatchbacks.

    • @krashd
      @krashd 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@k0rndog93 Cash for Clunkers might have been a failure but it was far from dumb, the hope was to get pollution pumpers off the roads and get people to buy new efficient cars at a time that the US auto industry was struggling. That's two birds with one stone, but Americans would rather cling on to a 25 year old car but still complain when the government has to bail out the auto industry to save tens of thousands of jobs.

  • @EppingForest304
    @EppingForest304 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Still very relevant for today's MOT test

    • @lucasbarton1773
      @lucasbarton1773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are too strict, it bullies old cars

  • @dandy1dandy198
    @dandy1dandy198 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The guy was a dead ringer for a reeves and mortimer sketch.

  • @indigo_enigma
    @indigo_enigma 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Shirt & tie, leather jacket and goatie beard. Just missing an earring.

    • @blueridgestickshift
      @blueridgestickshift 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Look closely at his left ear...it's there!

    • @tonyhancock3912
      @tonyhancock3912 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It'll be all the rage again one day

    • @ricbonnici4878
      @ricbonnici4878 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @milesahudson3720
      @milesahudson3720 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hes got an ear rung mate look closely.

    • @gpo746
      @gpo746 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Looks like a backstreet "mr big" with his doberman and on an evening deals crack to teenagers

  • @MrTruth111
    @MrTruth111 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    3 am, this is good stuff.

  • @davidcoudriet8439
    @davidcoudriet8439 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting details.

  • @filthbomb
    @filthbomb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love watching this U.K. stuff regarding M.O.T. matters, I can't imagine the government telling me my car has to be thrown away. There is NO "government inspection" of vehicles in most of the U.S. , I regularly drive 50 year old cars. To say a rusty car is dangerous is silly and wasteful I own 8 cars, non of which are newer than 1960....a real shame how an arbitrary judgement can force you to junk your car

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nobody told anyone ever they had to throw their car away. The owners decided to as it wasn’t financially viable.

    • @filthbomb
      @filthbomb 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Landie_Man really ? ...than why the " MOT " ?????

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      filthbomb I’m honestly shocked that anyone could think that in the Modern World a government could just take - law abiding citizens car away and destroy it (they can in other circumstances of course!), not sure how you could have come to that conclusion?
      The MOT tests various safety and emissions related aspects of a car, and some of the failures cause the car to fail its MOT. The owner then decides if they wish to have the car repaired. If they don’t, the above happens. Unless they decide to sell it to somebody who does want to repair the car and keep for themselves or sell for a profit. The test just dictates whether it’s a pass or fail. Most people’s cars fail, but it gets rectified. An air freshener hanging and swinging in front of the driver is a fail, but the tester would remove this before the test. It’s quite simple really.

    • @filthbomb
      @filthbomb 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Landie_Man ok, I get it ... people can't determine if their own car is a safty hazard on their own, So the MOT isn't there to determine that a car won't be allowed onto the streets, it's more like a free inspection that is voluntary and if it doesn't pass you can still drive the car around ?

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      filthbomb no not quite. The test costs about £40. If it fails you can’t drive it until the failures are rectified. It will also give advisories which should be rectified whenever. But not mandatory. Most people leave the car at the garage and have the repairs done, or take it home, Carry out the repairs and get a free partial re test. It’s annual and on cars between 3 and 40 years old.
      The MOT is mandatory for all cars built more than 3 years ago or less than 40.

  • @drivewaydiyer6504
    @drivewaydiyer6504 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Let’s be honest, most of the build quality back then was horrendous, I think we kid ourselves what great cars they were. I’m pretty sure you could watch the rust spread. Nothing wrong with nostalgia, though.

  • @Landie_Man
    @Landie_Man 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What are the clips under the radiator grill? Spotlight clamps?

  • @keithdouglas4581
    @keithdouglas4581 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    it's not only the cars that should be tested,it's the MOT testers themselves, some are complete psychopaths who fail cars just for the hell of it or else they don't have enough mechanical knowledge.The worst thing they ever did with MOT test was to stop them being taken for a test drive,you can a lot more about a car by taking it for a road test than you ever will looking at it under a ramp.

    • @VeyronBD
      @VeyronBD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Theres also the money side of it, alot of them know if they fail you for something that is "almost bad" you are likely to not complain and just pay them to fix it.
      Thats why I like the way its done in Northern Ireland, the test centers are government run and has no incentive to fail you at all.

    • @keithdouglas4581
      @keithdouglas4581 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@VeyronBD Yes i totally agree with you but you will always get some Testers where the power goes to their head and it could be your car they're testing..I speak as someone who became an apprentice mechanic in 1962 and an MOT tester in 1978 now retired I've seen them all the good the bad and the ugly. The best advice I can give anyone is NEVER take your car to a main dealer for your particular model

    • @jrgboy
      @jrgboy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I remember years ago, I took my car to one dealer who failed it so I tried another who passed it straight away , the fault it failed on mysteriously vanished..

    • @keithdouglas4581
      @keithdouglas4581 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jrgboy as i said earlier i've been in the motor for 50 years and I must have heard your story a thousand times,it's all a matter of opinion some testers are really officious some are a bit more sensible and give you a bit of leeway.

    • @Brad-lt6mr
      @Brad-lt6mr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's what the VT17 form is for. Fill one out if you're not happy with the result of the test. The overwhelming majority of VT17 complaints arrise when the complainant feels the vehicle should not have been passed, usually after buying a car and feeling ripped off. I guess this is because people wrongly believe the DVSA will apply higher test standards than the original tester. The MOT test is the minimum standard for roadworthiness.

  • @jeffecko1
    @jeffecko1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Corrosion assessment tool has been removed in my local testing station

    • @kenh3344
      @kenh3344 ปีที่แล้ว

      By whom???

  • @Megalocade
    @Megalocade 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That little hammer lol yea right! my garage runs along rust with a flipping pickax

  • @thomasdonald3291
    @thomasdonald3291 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    why is everyone going on about saving the "classics". This was filmed in 1997 so most cars would have been from the 80's, about 10-15 years old and not particularly sought after. Today's equivalent of scrapping a 2007 car today, no one cares, yet.

  • @kishanjadeja6894
    @kishanjadeja6894 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I still own a mk1 1.6i Mondeo. Bloody money pit lol great solid car's.

  • @TheJoesmoe1987
    @TheJoesmoe1987 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some right gems here and only 2mins in

  • @donkmeister
    @donkmeister 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Fashions always look a bit off when they are no longer fashions, back in 1997 I would have loved to be the owner of that goatee beard!
    However, it's still better than 90% of the bumfluff I see on hipsters.

  • @SameSh1tDifferentDrain
    @SameSh1tDifferentDrain หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's 2024 and we are all now using hovercars...what a time to be alive earthmen

  • @dav01kar
    @dav01kar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cars back then in the 70's 80's, rotted out with only about 70k on them. Todays cars are much better regarding the dreaded rot.!

  • @briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206
    @briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I am trying my VERY VERY VERY best to keep my 20 Year old Toyota Celica MK 6 on the road.. I have spent a total of £500++ on repairs in the last 2 Months and YES the car has developed YET ANOTHER problem this weekend which means more repair bills and more time without a car AGAIN!
    The car has done 169,000 Miles and is 20 Years old... Maybe the car is trying to say she is ready for "Car heaven" and she has simply had enough..
    20 Years old... She has done very well but maybe it is time I sent her to car heaven where all the Austin Maxi's and Morris Marina's have gone.
    I am all for using stuff until it drops.. But cars simply were not designed to last forever.

    • @krashd
      @krashd 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      She had a good innings.

    • @briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206
      @briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @blacknester ..SO TRUE.
      You know your stuff... Just have a look at images of a MK 6 Toyota Celica 1994-1999 ... Is it just my imagination or is this a very good looking car..
      I have a silver one .. Google search ..........." 1999 toyota celica sr le" and have a look ... I simply can NOT sell this car .. I love her too much

    • @geoffdundee
      @geoffdundee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Arsene Wenger ..... i done the google search.....personally id crush it and go buy a volvo or mercedes instead :D

    • @briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206
      @briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@geoffdundee ..Volvo yes I agree GREAT cars... Mercedes are just so-so these days... The old 190 Mercedes cars used to be superb ... I still love my MK 6 Toyota Celica MK 6
      She is back up and running again... She is a it weary these days..But I am going to try to get another couple of Years out of her.. Kind regards

    • @ndavies5968
      @ndavies5968 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have my m.o.t due for my yaris sr ( quite rare ish, but nothing that special) its 19 years old and has done 146,000 miles. I think i only need a new offside healight and should be good

  • @sirmugman
    @sirmugman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    most of the cars there are pritty much too far gone, plus it depends on were the rust is, if is the bulk head or the chassis or a frame or wheel arches then yes it would fail,. but most of these at least those last two were easy to fix bit of filler and bosh its back on the road, or you'd go to the scrap yard and buy the part from another car in far worse state or been in a crash and diy it yourself, it was mostly cars that had the old weld onto weld onto weld onto weld that failed as you pritty much had to do a mini resto on it to get it though, mind you it made banger drivers happy

  • @nw8000
    @nw8000 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is gold

  • @RPKGameVids
    @RPKGameVids 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    12:30 Bloody vandal!

    • @MrSupercar55
      @MrSupercar55 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bah, that was scrap metal anyway.

  • @WidowUK
    @WidowUK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My ford rotted out pretty good with living next to the sea. The door tops started first then the tailgate then the underside rotted out.

  • @esssexboy
    @esssexboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Broke my heart watching that Sierra being crushed.
    They are highly collectable now catching up with Cortinas :-(

  • @robkneen7546
    @robkneen7546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And this guy is one reason why we don't see more classic cars on the road when some bits like a tiny he surely u can't just simply weld up.

  • @cnevill2
    @cnevill2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We had a 1987 Cavalier that started to show signs of rust at 8 years.

  • @angusdrum
    @angusdrum 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m still driving a 1991 VW T4 30 years old still drives great 👍

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Must be one of the very first!

  • @fergalgallagher6987
    @fergalgallagher6987 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Poor old cavaliers too RIP

    • @andyhill5483
      @andyhill5483 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sri or lx

    • @fergalgallagher6987
      @fergalgallagher6987 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andy Hill I like the lx

    • @analystab1
      @analystab1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are now less than 1000 Vauxhall Cavalier Mk2s left...

    • @stuartleckie
      @stuartleckie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alan Borgars that can’t be right. Hopefully. I was a Vauxhall mechanic. Really liked those cars, owned a lovely SR saloon BITD (yes SR, pre SRi)

  • @bigsohc
    @bigsohc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very nice green holden calibra around the minute mark

    • @gpo746
      @gpo746 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Holden?..can tell your from down under mate !

    • @bigsohc
      @bigsohc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not wrong there mate,

    • @neildempster2827
      @neildempster2827 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Piece of crap.

    • @JohnCitizenDU
      @JohnCitizenDU 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Scrapped since too...no trace of it anymore...

    • @MrSupercar55
      @MrSupercar55 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s not a Holden Calibra. It’s a Vauxhall Calibra. You must be an Aussie or something because you don’t get Holden vehicles over here in the United Kingdom. You only get them down under in Australia.

  • @mladenenglang
    @mladenenglang 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:54 - There is red Audi 80 B2 Sport. Exactly like the one I bought this year for £4000.00. Extremely rare here in the UK now.

  • @paulbroderick8438
    @paulbroderick8438 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Perhaps an 'appropriate donation' may be in order!!

  • @rickydoolous5356
    @rickydoolous5356 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It would be interesting to know how many Sierras are on the road nowadays, after all the newest would be 25 years old by now.

    • @krashd
      @krashd 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Can't remember the last time I saw a Ford that I knew the name of. Grew up with Sierras, Cortinas, Capris, Granadas and the thief's car of choice, the Escort. Last Ford I knew the name of was Mondeo. I honestly can't think of the name of a current Ford but then I often forget the name of my own Nissan yet I remember all the classics, Cherry, Sunny, Bluebird.

    • @-DC-
      @-DC- 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Not many left now my 84 Sierra was absolutely rotten at ten years old drivetrain was still great.

    • @MrStabby19812
      @MrStabby19812 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Only see a few xR4 & cosies going around can't remember when I last saw a regular model.

    • @retr0naut823
      @retr0naut823 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How many left will tell you... www.howmanyleft.co.uk/

    • @roberthorseman7432
      @roberthorseman7432 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had a siera a few years back was goin strong till some bastard torched it out side my house

  • @isaacsrandomvideos667
    @isaacsrandomvideos667 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:49 is that a ur Quattro lol now I've seen it's a estate looks like a Quattro though.

  • @edwilko8819
    @edwilko8819 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing how we were vosa and now dvsa. Corrosion simple cut it out weld in new and re-test

  • @nzwotb2525
    @nzwotb2525 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In new zealand our vehicle inspection is called a WOF warrant of fitness its just as bad with rules taking perfectly working cars off the road. A wof is 1 year for a car made after 2000 and 6 months for a car made before 2000.

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just get the car repaired if it fails. It’s simple.

  • @boberson33
    @boberson33 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That car still had good tires on it. Why scrap the whole thing? I don't understand, here in America we have Pick-n-Pull, where you can just go grab a part off the car or even buy whole cars. A corolla starter is $20 waranteed for 3 yrs. I'm not sure how it is in the UK, but there seems like a lot of perfectly good resellable parts on those cars

    • @andyhill5483
      @andyhill5483 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes same here in uk tho some makes and models ie the red ford Sierra not worth doing as the car at that time was to popular and already over flow of parts and the age of the car model at time was a old old car not popular in favour anymore.

    • @jrgboy
      @jrgboy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The weather in the UK means that cars rust a lot quicker than the US, there is a strict MOT test which cars in the UK must pass every year after they are 3 years old, even a broken light fails the test.

    • @boberson33
      @boberson33 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jrgboy so basically, if the car fails, every component on the car is considered dangerous or worthless? Even the tires or starter?

    • @jrgboy
      @jrgboy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@boberson33 - No, but it may not be economical to buy replacement parts specially if you can't fit them yourself. a garage would charge a lot to do it, even if you scrap the car you don't get the value of the parts that are good...

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      boberson33 a starter is not a fail.

  • @paddykelly3200
    @paddykelly3200 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you'd pay a right few Bob for a Sierra now, regardless of the rust,rust only being a price negotiation..

  • @AwesomeFPV
    @AwesomeFPV 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The good old days of fibreglass filler and underseal lol

    • @ryhu5642
      @ryhu5642 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      People still doing this today hahaha

  • @915madness
    @915madness ปีที่แล้ว

    As someone who both works in the trade and does banger racing it doesn't matter were the rust is it is a weak spot fullstop if its become brittle and holed and if your in a collision that point whether its within mot parameters or not its going to crumple like a tin can so corrosion should be failed no matter were it is on the vehicle

  • @jamesbew6906
    @jamesbew6906 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ha ha remember this video from my mot training

  • @christopherhulse8385
    @christopherhulse8385 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Cars used to rust away so badly back then.

    • @retr0naut823
      @retr0naut823 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Vauxhalls still do!

    • @jrgboy
      @jrgboy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had 2 cars one Austin & one Ford that were only a year old in the 70's that were rusting around the headlights & door sills, had to give them the full Waxoil treatment..i

  • @fatwalletboy2
    @fatwalletboy2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonder now with far stronger bodyshells have the car crushers today had to be made stronger too cus that sierra got cubed easily....

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought that. There was a guy on TH-cam who used to live stream and had the exact same model as this crusher and it was doing fine. It’s so powerful I don’t think it matters tbh.

    • @MrSupercar55
      @MrSupercar55 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They ain’t so strong when they rust. If it weren’t for the rust, who knows? It might have still been on the road to this day.

  • @Bscott1
    @Bscott1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So do they just take it if it's corroded? That's not fair it's your property not theirs

    • @martinparker6536
      @martinparker6536 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      no it fails the MOT test, then you have either have it welded up or sell it for parts or scrap metal.
      at one point about 10-15 years ago YOU would have to pay the scrapyard to take your car away, but at the moment scrap metal is around £100 a ton when weighed in/scrapped.

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      No. You have it repaired if it’s corroded.

  • @fargogemini694
    @fargogemini694 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A few quit to the inspector keeps them on the road

  • @Early2000sPs2games
    @Early2000sPs2games 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If my car failed the mot and needs to be scrapped i would keep it on my drive if it was a classic

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It wouldn’t need to be scrapped. Just have it repaired and put back into an MOT

  • @gabrielgomez2483
    @gabrielgomez2483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the mr2 at @6:00 was on the road until 2017!

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The defender is still on the road

  • @cambs0181
    @cambs0181 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could of at least stripped that Sierra for parts before crushing it!

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man ปีที่แล้ว

      All the other cars were. So this was probably for cinematic effect

  • @AIRPORT-mc2ys
    @AIRPORT-mc2ys ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SALT ON ROADS is a HUGE PROFIT to motor manufacturers

  • @deanstanley5799
    @deanstanley5799 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    U won't find no rust on the Volvo ! My 98 c70 t5 coupe is absolutely rot free !!!!!

  • @JFrizey
    @JFrizey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Imagine this today, oh my god did you just assume all testers are men 😂, ah the good old days

    • @bencrosbie
      @bencrosbie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      James Frize 😂😂😂😂

  • @ashtonworth6288
    @ashtonworth6288 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want the white gte that's a proper classic if it's the 16v

  • @drewreynolds1649
    @drewreynolds1649 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Classic 🚘

  • @malcolmcowan9554
    @malcolmcowan9554 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jesus that mk3 cavalier was only 7 or 8 years old

  • @gpo746
    @gpo746 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:30 a pin hole in the "prescribed area" should NOT write a car off . Common sense should prevail here over a blanket 30CM radius rule .
    A simple blob of weld or indeed filler with paint over it would mean a pass then?
    So glad the testers cant rive , scrape and bang the underside with the torture tools anymore .
    I used to use old engine oil and grease mix to coat the underside of my cars, never had rust issues but 1 MOT tester complained it was too oily for him . His boss told him to move over and he would do it. I was praised for preserving my classic car this way . The only snag was the light greasing of the brake pipes as he said he could not see if it was leaking or not . However, He could tell by high standard of maintainence that it was ok.

  • @brianfearn4246
    @brianfearn4246 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ford Sierras and cortinas all came with standard equipment including speedometer and scrapometer lol .

  • @tomwilliams7391
    @tomwilliams7391 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If this is 1997 the amount of 80s cars in the scrap yard is ridiculous...most are only about 10-15 years old! These days (2023) you see loads of cars from 2003 still, occasionally even late 90s!!!

    • @Redchannelconditions
      @Redchannelconditions 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nah I’d say scrapyards are loaded with 08 and 09 plate cars now.

  • @Jaaaaaaaaaaack-kc7hr
    @Jaaaaaaaaaaack-kc7hr 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Prescribed area

  • @jasondavis8886
    @jasondavis8886 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bob mortimer voice double? 🤔

  • @simondrake8909
    @simondrake8909 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I was a tester back in the day when these videos arrived. How we all laughed at their content....total BS. The rules were/are so vague, but enforced very strictly..... So glad I'm out of it now!!!!

  • @JohnHonda101
    @JohnHonda101 ปีที่แล้ว

    That Sierra was registered on my 17th Birthday

  • @BREN70S
    @BREN70S 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bloody Sierra's gone ! We've had it .

  • @ahassen1236
    @ahassen1236 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not sure how every mot tester would actually go around looking for every bit of corrosion in this video. Thank God cars are better nowadays and don't rust as much.

    • @Landie_Man
      @Landie_Man ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Boring, bland and not much to like though now.

  • @fredflintstoner596
    @fredflintstoner596 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
    Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ."
    Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
    Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
    Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
    Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
    Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
    Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"

  • @MrWeekendoff
    @MrWeekendoff 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Don’t scrap an A reg Sierra!!!!

  • @dougiejohnstone4490
    @dougiejohnstone4490 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is how banger racers get their next vehicle

  • @owensteele1645
    @owensteele1645 ปีที่แล้ว

    @0:29 He doesn't look too happy about destroying that classic Ford Sierra.

    • @Redchannelconditions
      @Redchannelconditions 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      In 1997 it would have just been a secondhand car.

    • @owensteele1645
      @owensteele1645 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RedchannelconditionsThat's actually true. I suppose today's equivalent model would be an '09 mark 4 Mondeo.

    • @Redchannelconditions
      @Redchannelconditions 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@owensteele1645 indeed. Would you bat an eyelid feeding a mark 4 Mondeo through a baler today? It’s a shame about the Sierra though for sure