Games Workshop News - Darktide Miniatures Game & Card Game & Cursed City White Dwarf Mission Errata
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
- Always Board Never Boring wanted to round up some of the more interesting bits of news relating to Games Workshop. We have a new miniatures game and card game based on the Darktide video game, and we have corrections for all of the errors relating to the Cursed City side quest published in White Dwarf magazine.
PLEASE NOTE: Since this video was published, GW have announced the game will be available direct from GW or from "selected retailers."
Here are some time stamps:
00:00 Intro
00:24 Darktide Mini Game
05:27 Darktide Card Game
06:30 Cursed City Corrections
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They've managed to fumble their attempt to fix their previous mistake. Cursed City really is just GW endlessly stepping on rakes.
It's odd that they would make a file and then not share it anywhere. Maybe they will eventually.
It's not even funny, so infuriating.
The only reason Cursed City is even playable is because within 2 weeks of its release, people were pushing out homebrew fixes that made the game exponentially better.
😵💫" Somebody ( at *-GW-* ) is gettin' _LAZY."*_ ~ Mike Stoklasa🤤
@@elijahherstal776that's utterly ridiculous and false. The game is fun and playable out of the box, people churned out plenty of homebrews after playing only a few games, before having enough traits, equipment and higher levels (meaning more and tougher monsters).
crying that theres no Vermintide board game
That could have been fun.
It was called Warhammer Fantasy Battles... now I'm sad
That would be awesome!!!
I originally thought weird that they are re-using these random miniatures for heroes in Darktide. They are all part of a larger set, so they need to make a separate new sprue mold for them. And if they are going with the expense of a new mold, they might as well do new miniatures. Model design costs pittance in comparison with HIPS mold tooling.
But today they announced the release of this and apparently it's gonna be available to order from GW direct, and will ship worldwide, which is a first for these 'bookshelf games'. So part of me is now wondering: maybe they are deliberately sabotaging the models in this so that they can gauge interest in releasing these games in wider distribution. This might be a test run to see if it's profitsble to have these available outside the US and Germany, and having unique miniature sculpts would mess with the data and number crunching - they wouldn't know how many units they sold because of unique sculpts for 40k collector, and how many sold on the merits of the actual game.
They announced this game a week ago. At that time they hadn't established how they intended to distribute it. They have since established it will be available direct and from selected retailers. "Selected retailers" suggests they are going down the Barnes and Noble route as normal, but this time they are also going to make them available for sale direct from GW, which is probably a response to the many complaints that the bookshelf games are usually region locked. It's still uncertain if the game is going to be available from other stores and online retailers like a normal release, so it's possible any sales figures are still going to be very skewed. So, I'm not sure.
Maybe you are right, but I still think it may just be the case they wanted to reuse miniatures, didn't have any individual figures they could use, and decided grabbing four and retooling them for a new sprue was still cheaper than also designing four new miniatures before doing that tooling.
Definitely! it s a bummer they didn t include the heroes in the cover. As a darktide fan and boardgame geek (but not fan of warhammer miniature game), it s a pity. But maybe if they make it world wide available something worth to try.
Games Workshop have announced you will be able to buy the game direct from them. Unfortunately that will mean paying the full retail price. Preorders are this weekend.
I like the look of it. Great vid.
Thanks for watching. I'm hoping we get some more concrete information about these games soon.
Yes, this did catch my eye, definitely interested. Hope it's a good one and other warbands/armies can be included for variety in gameplay.
The idea has potential. I haven't seen anything that has got me really excited just yet, but we know very little about gameplay so hopefully it ends up being a good one.
😵💫" Hmm...Somebody ( at *-GW-* ) is gettin' _LAZY."*_ ~ Mike Stoklasa🤤
I contacted White Dwarf and did not receive a PDF of corrections.
I guess you and I aren't special enough for some reason! I think it's a poor show from Games Workshop. The document is ready, there's no reason not to post it online for everyone.
Dark tide is a great video game. This seems like it’s targeting the same audience as Space Marine Adventures. Hopefully it’s easier to get in the U.K. this time.
Yes, it certainly looks like it's going to be part of that bookshelf range of games.
It is now, on release it was a *_Dumpster Fire._*
@@margaretwood152 and?
I'm not particularly excited about their bookshelf games. Though I guess the fact that I can't reasonably buy them has helped in forming that opinion. And I do like my big boxes.
Shame about the Cursed City stuff. Tragically comical.
As always I appreciate the news you provide regarding these games.
I hope they start making the bookshelf games more widely available. Some of them are really good. Thank you for watching!
I understand why these are done as a team vs a simple AI, but just for once I wish GW would pit into their boardgames a way for a player tontake full control of the enemy forces. That I think would add a lot to any game play.
Either way, I can see myself picking this up if the price isn’t too ludicrous.
GW really still specialise in the two-player head-to-head games that make up their core lines, so when they do these little side games I think they try to capture a different market. A few of their other games still have enemies controlled by a human player though. They did it with Shadows Over Hammerhal, and Blackstone Fortress had an option for the enemies to be controlled by a player. Games like Space Hulk, Lost Patrol and Crypt Hunters have enemies controlled a player, but once again those slide back into the two-player format.
I think the imp guard dude was a free model of the month release a bit back.
It looks like the game might use a card initiative and action/activation system. Maybe.
You may be right. I think they have managed to show the same board layout, painted and unpainted in multiple shots now, and I find it hard to determine anything much about the gameplay from it. I am expecting some kind of Kill Team (Fire Team) and Blackstone Fortress mashup. Depending on the rules it may be a fun little game, but there is the risk it ends up being like that Space Marine board game they chucked out a few months back.
When it comes to the solo/coop side of things GW just doesn't want to know, even when it's a minimum of effort to put things right. Dark Tide looks like Quest meets Kill Team, using two underworlds boards? Apparently it will be direct from GW, so hopefully it will be reasonably priced and available.
Unfortunately, it does sound like buying direct will be the only option for people outside of the usual areas where these games are available, and being available direct means you are going to be lumbered paying full RRP from GW. Still, that is a marked improvement from not being able to get it at all!
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Very true.
Even as a seasoned board and tabletop game player, I love these smaller, bookshelf, gateway games. I am looking forward to this one as Kill Team interests me but primarily for a more rpg solo narrative perspective that doesn’t officially exist (although the fan made Acolyte is very nice). I plan to use these miniatures in the aforementioned game as well as any potential to expand this game like I have for Space Marine Adventures Doomsday Countdown which I am nearly finished with the 2nd expansion (BBG) but my solo, army-of-one, exploration variant of Space Hulk keeps jumping to the top of my list as it is a much larger project. I do agree most of these small games lack scope for expansions, I have found that some are ripe for expansions that GW will never provide and if they do it will not be as good as some of the fan expansions that are available.
Heck if this turns out to be as good as blitz bowl or fireteam , I am all in.
@@tiredguy2753
Oh, I missed Fireteam and even looked for it without miniatures as I have plenty. I have the digital rulebook but none of the datacards or any of the other components. It looks like it would be my type of game and certainly one I would create an AI for one of the team so I could play more often.
Heck, I've been playing board games since the 80s and some of the bookshelf games are in my top 50 games of all time - Blitz Bowl, Labyrinth of the Necrons, and Gorechosen all made the cut. I am hoping Darktide has some interesting rules, because it's a cool theme. I am concerned about the size and open nature of the arenas, though.
@@kevinstricklen7579 Yeah I regret not getting Fireteam the few times I saw it barnes and noble years ago... That being said this game is supposed be based off the Killteam ruleset but for PVE I guess... All I am hoping is that this game plays much better than the most recently released Space marine board game (ugh). GW has released good small box games in the past before so they certainly have the ability I just hope Darktide can be put in the same category as blitzbowl, fireteam, bladeborn etc...
@@tiredguy2753 I love Doomsday Countdown. Rise of the Orks was too simple and the tower defense wasn’t that immersive. Labyrinth of the Necrons was only ok for me as I enjoy a more active AI than the growing swarm style.
It's probably a reskin of the BARNES AND NOBLE distributed FireTeam which is a cut down and much more.playable version of KillTeam.
I am sure it will share a lot of Fire Team’s DNA as they are both derived from Kill Tram but I don’t think it’s a simple reskin as it’s for a team of players against what appears to be AI.
Would it be a solo game as well ?
If it’s full co-op, which it seems to be, it would work for solo. You might need to control multiple characters though. Depending on how they handle scaling for players.
I would be more interested if the heroes had unique sculpts. All the minis for them you can already get and it also feels odd that Darktide gets all of the spin offs into other medias when as I know Vermintide never did. Would kill for minis for the heroes from that game
Yes, it seems like a wasted opportunity. I bet a lot of people would have wanted sculpts for those characters, even if they aren't necessarily the characters you play in the video game.
There is an article written by a journalist that this game isn’t for “us.” It’s for the video game players who aren’t familiar with the tabletop hobby at all. That is why all the minis are just retread plastic and nothing new. It’s getting tiresome hearing we are no longer welcome into the hobby that is for everyone, per their own words.
That doesn't make any sense to me. I haven't seen that article so don't want to comment on the position they are taking too much, but that sounds like a weak defence of the game's format. While these games are aimed more at onboarding new gamers, rather than appealing to established players, the videogame is popular with both demos and should offer something for everyone. And I would think all videogame players would have been more interested in miniatures that reflect the poster characters.
Correct, but alas, here we are.
I'm downfor for all of this.
I'm looking forward to seeing more about gameplay, especially the card game. At the moment I'm really not sold on the miniatures game beyond the idea of it, and I'm not expecting great things, but I would be happy to be pleasantly surprised.
The only downside to these little book shelf games is there distribution. There great after a dungeons and dragons game at the pub. And I'm very excited about darktide
Absolutely. You don't need to sell me on the merits of the bookshelf games, Blitz Bowl and Labyrinth of the Necrons sit high on my list of favourite games, and I would love to see Blitz Bowl getting into the hands of more players. But there are some clunkers in the mix, and I'm not sold on what I've seen of this one so far, but it's too early to tell for sure.
Errata's still need Errata's of their own, huh?
I hope Darktide would be fun and not Eagleland-only.
I should probably have been clearer on that front. I only spotted one typo, but it just amused me. I think on the whole the document does correct everything and makes the side quest playable for the first time, which is a win.
Disappointed with the minis but I'll still get it! I wonder if the rules will be like the Fire Team Board Game they did? [Kill Team lite]
I would imagine they are lifting from Fire Team to a degree (Kill Team foundations, hex board, small arenas, etc.) but there should be changes to reflect the move from squads to "heroes" and AI enemies.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring yes good point, didn’t think about the ai! I like how the ai is handled in Doomsday Countdown [I think they call it solitaire style] so maybe it’ll be a combination of those two games that came out at the same time! In the meantime I’m going to start printing/painting my own Darktide Traitors for when this comes out, watch it be another US exclusive! 😅
That would suck if it ends up being region locked.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Community have just hinted that it may be released this week and also they mentioned ‘This product will be available direct, and from selected retailers.’ Which is great news!
Yes, they posted that at the weekend and I have added a note in the video description already. It does sound like it's going to be a Barns and Noble situation again, which is what they normally mean with "selected retailers" but looks like they have heard the complaints from people outside those regions so will also make it a direct order product. That's great because it does mean anyone can get it. The downside is it still doesn't sound like it will be a proper retail release which means you are stuck paying full GW RRP. Still, an improvement!
If the Dark Tide game was more of the scope of Assassinorum, I would be stoked. I'll pass on this tiny game.
One of my big concerns at the moment is I'm not sure such small, wide-open arenas are going to lead to particularly compelling gameplay. Assassinorum was an under-appreciated gem and one I am very pleased to have in my collection.
Having never played the Dark Tide video game but have seen some play through videos I could certainly see using these miniatures with the Assassinorum boards with new datacards for each of the Rejects and the corrupted. The Chaos Sorcerer would need to be replaced with a new boss level miniature to defeat. This could certainly have been an option for GW that would have allowed multiple levels to defeat as well as some character progression through the use of more powerful equipment that could be found during the search for each teleportarium.
I’ve wanted to reskin Assassinorum into an Old World game for quite awhile, replacing the Imperial Agents with Dwarves and the Chaos faction with Skaven that over ran a Dwarven mine to secure the warp stone unearthed by the dwarves. Some day, maybe.
@@kevinstricklen7579 Hey, it's just nice to meet another fan!
If you enjoy AEF, you may want to look at Dark Souls the board game. Well, the original set at least, I dont have the newer stuff.
@@kevinstricklen7579 Happy to meet a fan! Would recommend Dark Souls as well.
@@kevinstricklen7579 YT keeps erasing my responses to you, f@ck this platform.
If Darktide is going to be oversimplified... then I am most likely not gonna purchase. Looks like I already have those miniatures, and I've been running a Darktide-themed Necromunda campaign for some players.
It certainly looks like it might be over-simplified - the compact, open arenas don't fill me with confidence. I am looking forward to more reveals to get a better sense of what it involves.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Yeah, and I just pored over the images you had- and I have actually every single miniature that it comes with, so there's not much to sell me on it.
If it came with at least a couple of oddities or something unique, I'd be all over it.
Seems like, IMHO, they didn't strike while the iron was hot with Darktide a year ago- and now they just kinda chucked out a thing.
Hmmm Darktide, huh? Four heroes... Lotsa monsters... Claustrophobic dungeons..? Why does this all sound so familiar? 😉😉
I know, right? It's exactly like Unmatched.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring hehe... Oh, on a side note; I suppose I could email that HQ map to you as a PDF
You can message me at the email address under the "about" section of the channel if you want to.
Looks like crap to me. Thanks for sharing though 👍🏻
Ha. I think I put it more diplomatically in the video, but yes, at the moment I'm not seeing much to be excited about beyond the concept.
I play a lot of darktide around xmas, and recently started collecting Zombicide Fantasy... this board game review was underwhelming : (
Do you mean the video or the game was underwhelming? At the moment I have concerns about the game, but there's always hope that when we find out more about gameplay it will seem more interesting. At the moment I haven't seen enough to make a decision, and I am interested to see more reveals.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring omg the autocorrect, I meant "the board game reveal was underwhelming" :p
Anyway, the video game is solid in it's gameplay loop, and the combat feels amazing, and that's pretty much it.
There's hardly any plot in the game, and nothing meaningful to do after you level up your characters, which I think will take you 50-80 hours.
Darktide only peaks around Christmas when it's the anniversary event and something different happens, last year it was a great new map, a new gun, and a double boss event.
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Eh,just get the model of your character from the game,set it up for 3D printing,bam,you got your own custom mini. Honestly,I've come to realize just how lazy and worthless most companies are these days. They don't make anything properly,they always take short cuts,and they always do it bass ackwards. Just get a 3D printer and make what you want. Toy companies are pretty much done.
I don't disagree that GW look like they cut a corner here with the miniatures. However, 3D printing is really its own hobby. It's not something everyone can do or wants to do. If you live in an apartment with children and pets its not particularly feasible or safe to run a 3D printer, and it isn't something you just plug in and instantly get good results from. It takes some practice and experience. I live in a decent-sized house and work from home mainly making content about board games, and even I don't have the time and space to run a printer. So, while it will be the solution for some people, I don't think it's as simple as saying "print it yourself."
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Nah,they don't take up much space. You just need somewhere with good ventilation. After that,it's just trial and error til you get the hang of it. I'd recommend getting one of the filament printers as it's easier to recycle the mistakes. You can just melt those down into goo and remold it. Even use old plastic bottles to make filament.
It’s not just about space. It really is a hobby in its own right with a lot of factors to consider. I actually talked about this in some length on the channel previously.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring However you want to talk yourself out of it. But it's great when you need new pieces missing from your games.
I think it’s important people realise there’s more to it than plugging it in and magically getting better miniatures than toy companies make. As for me, even if I had a dedicated space that was ventilated and safely away from my children and pets it’s not something I’m interested in so I don’t need to talk myself out of anything. People who follow my restoration stuff, which is where I would see printing being the most useful for me, know that as much as possible I like to use official components. Preservation in those instances is generally more important to me, although it’s not always possible. Still, as I have said on the channel before, it’s great we live in a world that has all these different options.