Ansbach's Bow is Broken, Literally - Elden Ring
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ก.ค. 2024
- tl;dr: The Ash of War fires 8 projectiles, but instead of each projectile doing 1/8th of the total damage, they ALL do the total damage EACH, meaning you just have to hit one of them.
/ scottjund - เกม
Who's watching this in 2014?
I come back here every few years for nostalgia. Still can't believe Scott died in that hot air balloon collision.
@@biodudezerothree9236 Yeah, insane to think Otzdarva would set that hitman on him just because Scott used the point down emote that one time.
Watching from 2011 in blighttown 😵💫
Me
I just got out of a music video and saw someone saying this lmao
I knew my boy Ansbach was cookin' but damn, he kept quiet on this one.
Miyazaki saw the people complaints about bows being bad. So he said fuck it, here, have your damage.
Im here for it, already have a bow only character 😂
Seeing this bow makes me happy I wanted to go bow at the beginning of the game and found out they were ass. Now I can finally become Robin hood
yes but thanks to this bro its going to get nerfed to the ground. now it will do 180 damage when all arrows hit lol. Like just leave it to let people play. from cant balance bows, so they will now just break the bow entirely
@@judgezee9371it will be too easy to dodge in PvP snd since it uses 8 arrows you can only get 24 shots before hitting a site of Grace. With that in mind to me it’s pretty balanced.
@@Jev55 I hope they leave it. Don't really worry about the pvp side as much as I like pvp
I appreciate that when you label something broken it actually is.
Except for it isn't. The status effect only counts as if one or two arrows hit and bows are ass. This is the ONLY good bow and it takes 50 hours to get it. Can't we have one good bow??
@@Jev55 Brother I get your point, but that doesn't change the fact that 1 arrow counting as if all of them hit is legitimately broken😂. Like it's not working properly.
@@xxrapidfirexx08I get your point but it’s also a game where your horse is a ghost that comes out of thin air lol. “The Ash of War fires magic arrows where each arrow has the power of 8” There I fixed it by changing the description 😂
I believe the sharpshot talisman is not actually about headshots, it's just if you aim down 1st person with the bow
oh wtf really? either way it doesnt seem to boost more than any talisman i currently have but thats interesting, ty!
@@ScottJund "precision aimed shots" indeed doesn't mean head shots, just shots fired with "precision".
@@ScottJundyou can also use two handed sword talisman. Its boost everything that you two hand, jar cannons, great bows and regular bows
@@13lackNexus Two Handed Sword talisman does *not* work with bows, greatbows, or crossbows. It's pretty easily testable.
@@ThyBlackenedHeart you're right its testable and that is what I got. It buffs them.
"I see no issue" - The guy who just started his Bow-Only run
I did bow only. I hated my life afterwards, it was way worse than RL1.
Nah I’m glad we actually have a bow that is kind of a game changer vs all the other weapons in ER
I have and am continuing it in the DLC. Its nice to have a bow that actually hits like a truck + it consumes 8 arrows at once. I don't even think its that broken. Those 8 shots individually would deal way more damage total and stack way more individually. Its nice to have an ash of war that turns it into a shotgun if you want all of the damage at once at the cost of ammo.
The Enraged Divine Beast talisman and the two lion head helmets seem to affect shots made with Stormwing Arrows and that can make this weapon have even nastier raw damage.
Oh, really? Then maybe optimal physical damage for bows is divine beast head, divine beast talisman, blue dancer charm, shard of alexander, etc. that's a lot of 15% modifiers, it could get pretty crazy. I think rakshasa would take away from blue dancer too much
@frazfrazfrazfraz rakshasa is 2% per piece for 6% without the helmet (because lion head) Blue dancer is, while under 8 equip load, about 13% more _scaling_ (not damage directly) so I'm not sure it depends on the scaling of the weapon. Rakshasa's also frees up a talisman slot which can be used for the spear talisman or the talisman that increases the damage when aiming by like 12%
Oh. It's even sillier Dark Bead.
Guess we've been around long enough for that to make a comeback.
Wonderful...
Heh.
You suck at roleplaying lautrec
didnt know how much i missed your souls content lol. glad to see you back for a while. keep it up man.
I think what's happening is that only two arrows will register on one target despite how many arrows went through the hitbox; because at 0:37 there're only two arrows visible on the troll's back, and at 1:33 you can sort of see that still only two lands and the rest just phase through your target like it doesn't exist. So in a sense you're not being rewarded by landing all 8, you're already getting max damage from this ash when you land 2/8 arrows.
Not sure how it will work in PvP but I don't think it'll count the status as if all 8 arrows, most likely 2. With all that being said the damage per arrow is still pretty insane
It does cost 8 arrows each shot.
you can just craft arrows on the go so doesnt really matter
its basically like Heavy's Machine Gun. costs a shit ton to fire it but boy does it hurt
that’s 24 shots with two stacks of 99 arrows, assuming you don’t craft more between volleys
@@InvaderTroy there's nothing limiting you to just 2 stacks. You can have 99 of every type at once
even without crafting on the fly you can carry about 3.4k arrows on you anyway
As someone who's made mods for Souls games, with the way the bullet param values would have to be set to achieve this behavior, there's no way this is unintentional. The damage value of each individual arrow would have to be set to the full damage that the ash of war does, and then they would've had to add a hit delay to the arrows, so only one of the bullets actually does damage. This is set up in a complex way that had to be deliberate.
Yay
Fromsuck suck major serious no down payment money back guaranteed ASS at balancing their games, who is surprised
as someone with no relevant expertise whatsoever, I am so looking forward to seeing this comment thread when the patch notes are released and it turns out you were talking out your ass
@@ToxicallyMasculinelolthe way they described isnt the only way it could be done, but its a simple way
Its either intentional or very closely fucked up to a related idea, either way it wasnt tested properly
whenever I retire (hopefully within ~50yrs) and can play games again I hope that this won’t have been nerfed by then coz I loved using Mundane Avelyns in DS2 and look forward to reliving those good memories again in ER
idk I just really really loved the Avelyn and invading in Iron Keep in DS2
I really really love DS2
good times man what I would give to roll back the clock and experience DS2 for the first time again
There's lots of stuff in the DLC that's like its from Monster Hunter, but I didn't think I'd see the Kelbie Bow in Elden Ring.
At this point a nergigante will bust into an arena and I won't be shocked
3U slime Kelbi bow was so broken you woul immediately be kicked from multiplayer lobbies if you had one lmao
I remember reading years ago that monhun took inspiration for its combat from Demon souls, Inspiration is cyclical i guess
@@chippler5822 That would be incorrect.
First monster hunter game came out on PS2 much before DeS so that article you got that from does not know what they are talking about haha.
@@radagonsoreseal3457 oh ok
Y’know what, good for Ansbach. Another common Ansbach W.
You didn't elaborate on status arrows, they must be crazy good with this bow.
It takes a while to proc, atleast 3 volleys. Bleed & frost
I feel like the bow treats the entire volley as 1 large projectile so it probably only treats the 8 status arrows as 1 status arrow which is why the buildup is so slow.
Not that great. Above average.
I did some testing recently against the omen in leyndell. Fan shot was doing about 161 bleed buildup, compared to a single arrow doing 55. So it's about the same as doing three individual shots
They are not that great the Serpent Bow can also bleed the giant in 3 hits with mighty shot, Reduvia can do so in just 2 hits.
Okay, yes. That does seem unintentionally powerful. With that said...
*Cmon man, I've been having to barrage with status arrows just to be passably viable since release. Us bow boys have been picking at scraps for years. Please, bro, I need this.*
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bro exactly, its crazy to me how ppl think this is problem when 1 its easy to dodge, 2 it uses the proper amount of ammo and 3 bows have been low tier for so so so so SO long. let us have ONE thing.
You're not allowed to have fun in elden ring bro. We nerfing this 😤@@AskariStudios
@@AskariStudiosin 1v1 this really isn’t a problem, but in ganks I imagine this thing is insane. Basically a gankers wet dream
@@bullymcdouble6048 This isn't strong is pvp. Dodging a relatively slow arrow shotgun is kinda ehh when there's so much stronger stuff.
it's getting patched and nerfed to bring it below great bows
The alien head messes up with the arrows. Haha
We're slaying Bayle with this one 🗣🗣🗣🗣
Sorclets can't even let bowchads win for one second smh
got no confidence in from fixing anything properly tbh, their go to way to nerf broken op stuff is to just make it unusable trash and forget it
once they get around to actually patching
like 3 months in or so
This comment aged like vinegar.
Maybe it’s cause I’m a PvP archer, but it’s really nice to have something that can reliably do more than tickling and using a gimmick.
If it does get fixed, I hope it’s not too nerfed.
I fully expect an Oroboros video with this weapon very soon.
2:26 - the bow clipping through your hand, while turning. As you're talking about how broken it is. Just really tickled me
Oooh cool hope it gets fixed and still does similar total damage seems fun
I was not expecting a bow to be broken but ER once again surprised me
does fan shot count as piercing damage? if so, spear talisman might boost the damage even more. not sure which talisman i'd take off for it though.
And here I was thinking 'Well, I'm sure I'm not missing much' when I missed it
Im doing ansbach build and enjoying myself transferring between the bow and the reaper and i noticed this as well
they gave this bow payday 2 shotgun physics lmfao
Devs: ooooh oops, we should look into that!
Community: Fuck you Scott, for letting the devs know about the broken bow ive been using.
Me: ..... i'm more impressed with peoples tenacity towards using bows, and not just throwing them into the chest to declutter the moment they found a new one.
It's probably not broken, the video is wrong, what's actually happening is that fromsoft limits the amount of arrows that can hit a target to 2.
You can criticize this decision but it's almost definitely intentional
Dark Souls Dark Bead is that you?
Other attacks that have multiple projectiles at once also work in the same way, where you get the max damage out of a couple of them as all of them. Its not typically just one though.
Now add storm arrows and put the divine beast head on for another multiplier and use the storm talisman over soaring sting for a bit more if you dont need the range
There's something fishy going on like with "Flame, fall upon them" incantation. So I'm going to explain it because most people might not realise how certain skills and spells calculate damage.
To explain. Ansbach bow shoot 8 arrows but in 0:37, only two are stuck into the troll. That means: you need only two arrows to reach maximum damage with this thing. The same thing applies to incantation i brought up earlier. It only counts up to 3 fireballs hitting the target and damage is calculated for every of three fireballs hitting the target Yes, collision check still is done as it must be done. But only three of the 15 fireballs actually counts towards the damage of every separate enemy hit by it.
So why multihit spells like crystal torrent hit like wet noddle in the early game and after certain point blast enemies for thousands of damage? Game calculates damage through both enemy flat defenses and all of the projectiles have low base damage. For Anshbach bow's ash and "Flame, fall upon them" there's a limit for how many projectiles can hit the target and base damage is waaaay higher. Without this limiter, this incant would hit for like 15K damage in single cast.
I hope I explained some things ^^`
Yeah, damage is pretty brutal to be completely honest and requirement of only two bullets is weird. I would understand if the limit was 6. This ash still consume 8 arrows per shot so it's a bit of a gamble if you can afford killing bosses with limited supply in higher ng. But... Bleed arrows exist to be honest.
Edit: wrong number of fireballs
Does it count as 8 different hits for statuses? Or maybe its just a cone attack and the arrows are visual
lord of frenzied flame enjoyer i see
They have a lot to address in the future patch
i noticed the Claws of Night also have the same funny Broken mechanic with its heavy attack. was nice watching chunks of my hp dissipating with 1 of the knives hitting me.
Not sorry, bows are overdue and need a little love
If the bow worked as intended(that damage if they all hit) does it still need a nerf?
Does the stance talisman buff the bow's AOW?
I mean I kind of appreciate it the way it’s working since I love being an archer and it’s always a struggle and feels more like a challenge run so it’s kind of nice to have a bow actually do some damage that’s at least as viable as a straight sword.
What arrows are best to use
Small thing i noticed is when using lightning arrows on water, the arrow's aoe doesnt apply vs regular/single shots. Definetely a bug cause the spread xbow doesnt have that problem w lightning bolts
This is an interesting one. I have been running a dedicated dex build with Ansbach LB as a backup option and now that I saw your vid, I decided to test it out a bit more.
Can confirm what you present here with the AoW BUT *I cannot replicate it 100% of the time*. Taking the example of the Fire Knights. Sometimes the really big buffed up damage of 5k+ happens, usually the damage hovers in the 1,5k to 2k mark but occasionally it just does a single arrow worth of damage. So there is something really whacky going on, aka. the weapon is "broken" for real.
Even more interestingly, this inconsistency of brokeness is more apparent against bosses, at least for me.
The status build up is capped at 2 arrows though regardless of whether all 8 hit which is crap
I really wish they make it scale based on actual arrows hitting only but allow status to scale too
Same such a disappointment
Ive been doing a bow only run using this bow and yeah its so powerful. Probably not working the way they intended but god i hope they dont change it
After he 1 shotted me a few times @ blessing lv 15 i figured something was up.
Does rellana's cameo work with the bow weapon arts? I mean you literally take a stance before firing the shot off
Doubtful
Well, you're consuming 8 arrows at a time. And with a stack limit of 99, doesn't that use up all your arrows (of that kind) pretty quickly? If so, and from that regard, I think it makes sense for it to count all of them as hits.
so how do I repair it scott
for each arrow you add it adds damage because the arrows themselves have there own separate attack rateing
To be fair, it spends 8 arrows at once. You've kind of overlooked the massive ammo cost. It deals decent damage, but when you can only shoot it ~12-13 times but can fire Igon's until you're out of FP, I'd go with Igon's any day.
Anyway the real crazy shit is the fact it deals insane stance damage but :)
ammo cost is not a meaningful point of balance in pvp, which is the only thing worth balancing, where using a ridiculously overpowered weapon could mean griefing another player and possibly causing them to quit playing elden ring or even all future from software games. they obviously care about pvp balance, hence the balance patch that landed before the DLC. and ammo cost just doesn't matter for pvp balance. it could cost 99 arrows to fire one shot of this bow, and it would still be a dominant weapon because it one shots players out of nowhere. you only need to kill one player, and this does that. and if you miss, then you can just swap to a different weapon, you haven't lost anything. you just have to start playing fair again. well, for the moment, you don't even have to do that, since you can switch to one of the 10+ other broken weapons from the DLC. fire knight's greatsword or backhand blade with swift slash seem like strong options with narrow opportunities for counterplay. even better, have both on your build, switch to the greatsword if your opponent is using a slow weapon, switch to the backhand blade otherwise. it'll be very easy to set up a build that practically can't lose, except to the mirror. this will be the new pvp meta until it's fixed. what's more, you might regain arrows after duels now (maybe just consumables, haven't tried it), meaning there's literally _no_ cost at all. and since it costs 8 arrows rather than 99, it's just as good in invasions, so you can grief noobs with it too! yay!
@@ToxicallyMasculinelol you may be surprised to note this generally takes two shots and also whenever i used it it did not apply the entire damage from every shot in a PVP setting
this may be an inconsistent or otherwise non-PVP observation
anyway, storm wall lol
setting aside clowning with storm wall: as ever, if this enters meta as a serious concern, it probably won't stick. even though you can shoot it pretty quick, there's still a relatively predictable windup, and it only works well as a rollcatch if you're spamming it. as mentioned, it can only be used ~11 times with one arrow type in one encounter. all things considered, with some real PVP experience, this bow will probably wind up "good" but not "breaking the fuck out of the game" any more than any of the other ridiculously bullshit PVP weapons
this bow isn't going to see use simply because it gets locked out by the fact the far more well-known and utterly fucking broken Swift Slash ash of war exists and requires making a different quest choice for it
you either get to teleport through people at unreactable speeds cutting them to pieces OR use the silly spread bow that is objectively far less broken in every meaningful metric
to get both you need to NG+.
i dunno! can't see people making the effort without Swift Slash nerfs and even if they do i don't see a major problem
Time to beat the final boss
It's calculates each arrow
Anyone know if the spread crossbow also works like that?
The fact that it's 2 arrows not 1 is NOT just semantics, the information you can surmise from this is COMPLETELY different from if it was one arrow, the fact that it works this way specifically almost definitely confirms that it's not a bug, that it's NOT broken like you assume in this video, someone PROBABLY specifically designed it to work like this
I am now even more pissed for missing one step of the quest and losing the bow in my current walktrough. :(
I’m going to take a week break for PvP until a patch lol
nooo come back =(
time to speedrun the dlc
Please don't take this away from us Miyazaki
The crowd sweeper?
faced against this with a guy who shot sleep arrows, i dont wanna play invasions anymore :(
Just be like every other Soulstuber. Use the broken stuff, cr@p out like 2-4 videos of you abusing broken stuff, claim its to raise awareness but monetize the content, profit.
Invading really is that easy fellas
@@nlm7033 So? why does it matter if the youtuber makes money, it still raises awareness about the broken thing.
If you get hit by this bow's ash of war...you deserve it lol. It is the easiest thing to dodge. It's not like typical bow attacks, you can't hold it. So dodging it is 100% reliable and predictable.
@@nlm7033 i mean yeah it does raise awareness. the bigger the discussion gets the faster it gets fixed
@truedps8 bro...did u not read? Sleep will still hit even if I roll if u play pvp u know effects will still hit u even if u roll
In SOTE you have scadu fragments, so its not 300ish AR anymore.
4:27 😯
I bet we can down some bosses with that… 🤔
I assume the shotgun crossbow doesn't have the same insane ability?
I don’t know if that’s entirely true about the full damage in PvP. At least from my experience if one hits it’s doing about 500-700 dmg. But if 3-4 hit then it looks like the full damage. So to me it looks as though they gave it some leeway on how may you need to hit to about half of the arrows used. Because if we’re being honest you’re not hitting anyone with all of them unless it’s point blank. Still, it’s a lot more damage than you’d expect. With how Fromsoft is when it comes to coding bullets I’d like to believe this is intentional… but it’s Fromsoft we’re talking about
Someone used the bone bow on me with sleep arrows and after I fell asleep he did massive damage with a barrage of arrows and killed me so damn fast.
Seems like you got your wish already. I just tried it and I’m only getting like 200 more damage than the pulley bow with mighty shot. And that’s with 70 dex and Alexander’s Jar Shard/Arrows sting…we had a decent bow for 5 days lol. Pisses me off.
How do I fire 8 arrows with this bow?
it's just like the ash of war that throws multiple knives at the same time
Scattershot Throw?
I don't think it does too much status buildup, you had to use it 3 times to get the first bleed proc, the damage doesn't seem anything unheard of.
45arc Serpent Bow with mighty shot also bleeds that same giant in 3 hits.
Reduvia does it in 2 hits while also doing 900 damage per hit at the cost of 6fp.
Ice Spear: almost 2000 damage and also frost proc in 3 hits.
Yes it seems op when you compare it to other bows, but bows are a buttom tier weapon class, you can't use them for anything except for a light roll sleep bow build in the colosseum to give both you and your opponent cancer.
Thanks Scott 👍👍👍
You may have noticed some of the arrows fly through the target. This ash of war, along with the spread crossbow, have a limit on the maximum number of arrows that can hit a single enemy. Though for some reason Ansbach's gets max damage on every enemy hit and the spread crossbow, since it seems to be working as intended, is pretty garbage.
for each arrow you add it adds damage
I knew there was something fishy bout that 43 dex requirement lol
How do you get unlimited bloodbone arrows? Or you all just craft them
the vendor inside the cave at mohgwyn palace sells bloodroses, and the craftbook for bloodbone arrows, can also buy bones
The fact that the smithscript weapons, weapons with very poor scaling on anything that is not the multi-stat infusions, got nerfed before this is nuts to me. Like yeah, I get it wasn't intended, and the damage should likely be somewhere in the middle of the multi-stat infusions and base keen, but this seems a bit more dire if you ask me.
You say its literally broken but it looks intact to me
seems to be working as intended to me 😊
Let's hope they don't fix it, this is a NG+ exclusive weapon (post-DLC final boss), and isn't all that egregious in PVP since good players can avoid it easily.
Please, Miyazaki, it's so cool, I love bow builds, I need this
Nah you can get it mid playthrough once you reach shadow keep. Once ansbach is in the specimen storehouse he's killable. (This is also where you can do a leda invasion involving him and get his bow that way too. Both helping him and invading him gives the bow)
@@pringlescanister I actually didn't know you could kill him for the bow, that's good to know, thanks
Ansbach is truly the goat. the dueling shields are kinda busted to
It's funny that it's also just the best bow, without needing the ash of war. Highest AR longbow with the shortbow moveset. As someone currently doing bow only through the DLC, I can't complain.
I literally killed Romina with this yesterday and not even the proper talisman for a bow just this bow only the damage is crazy especially holy arrows it’s crazy and even normal arrows is crazy I almost beat Galius but his charges always get before killing him
Great showing, better ending. 10/10 laughed
But if you add up the damage of 8 normal arrow shots... doesn't the art actually end up being less damage overall.. only way I see the art is being broken is if it only used 1 arrow to fire it
Looks like cheese is back on the menu, boys!
And here i thought we were being given a viable bow build option...
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
I mean i dont think its bugged. your using 8 arrows, you get the power of 8 arrows, its not like arrow rain.
@@AskariStudiosI've tested it, it's probably not bugged, it's that they limit the number of arrows that can damage an enemy to 2
1600 dps PER SECOND? my god
happy the souls content is back for now
i have gone through around 10 invasions with this weapon and i can confirm this does not actually work vs human players
In coop it's not great, I played with a decent build for a few days but there's not enough arrows to finish a boss.
You know there is damage drop off right? So the further you stand from the target the less damage you do, so you can’t compare standing right behind the enemy and shooting and standing several meters away.
Sounds good to me.
It's already my second favorite weapon and honestly I don't wanna see it get nerfed. On pvp it's beyond bonkers so nerfin it there makes sense but man playing bows on pve is extremely underwhelming but this bow at least makes it fun.
i love bows in pve, you get to just jump around shooting like legolas with the black bow and nothing can touch you
The end 😂😂
DS1 Dark Bead but a bow
Did scott delete his discord
In defense of Igon's bow, I don't think the comparison was fair since you really want to be using the ash of war (Igon's Drake Hunt) with Igon's harpoons. With 62 str and 16 dex, I get 1778 on inital hit and 1482 on follow up hits (tested on Stormveil giant). That being said, Ansbach's bow is still better for obvious reasons
CURSE YOU BAYLE!
"Please don't use this against players, it's mean"
Me: 😈
Me: *I’m four parallel universes ahead of you*
How does it perform?
@@Kidslurpitall pretty well, so long as the hosts/phantoms don’t realize what’s happening. But if they know how to roll and easily dodged attack you’ll have some trouble. Play it like a stealth archer straight from Skyrim and you’ll be golden. I have a video of it on my channel if you’re interested on how it goes.
the crazy thing is is that its still easy to dodge, before bows could barely hit anything at range, all you had to do is strafe, but now people have to dodge an AoW? the horror /s
It does less bleed than Reduvia.