2017 BMW X3 vs Toyota RAV4 vs Gold Mine Hill Off-Road Review
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Just bought an X3. Every day commuting over the gauntlet this week at 3am has been a sheet of ice. It has all season tires and the car is performing flawlessly. I normally drive a 6.7 Cummins every day and bought the X3 for a commuter.
Got really excited to see X3 on the review and how well it did. Sucks Roman didn't agree on the part 3 of the test. Would have loved to the the bimmer go up on it. I got an 08 X5 and have BFG KO2s on it and it does some amazing things off road for a crossover. Love it.
Awesome to see how the X3 went up the 2nd obstacle, it had no exageration at all it was very firm keeping a good grip. Cool gold mine Hill mash up
Hi did you folks thested the RAV4 2019 adventure on gold mine hill? This would be great to o see.
I moved from a 2016 golf r to a 2016 x3 35i. I got back into camping and even bought a (heavy) fishing kayak. Golf R was way too low (4.8 inches ground clearance), and I was not comfortable going down dirt roads in it at all. I looked at alternatives (4runner, GLC300, F-Pace), and all-in-all the videos of this being able to get to campsites (no rock crawling), with decent performance and good fuel economy for what it is, I'm quite satisfied. 4runner was simply too truck-like for a truck that will only see gravel roads 5=10 times a year, and horrible fuel economy. I will have to find a fun car with a manual (kind of shooting myself in the foot for selling the mgb). 2 friends have x3's, one a 2012 since new, the other a 2015 since new - no reliability issues which was another deciding factor. Thanks for the review!
Really wanted to see that 3rd obstacle! I own a 2004 X3 2.5i with a 6 speed manual. It has street tires and it only does “minor” off-roading and all of our snow and mud duties. She has never gotten stuck and just keeps on trucking through. Only complain is that BMW maintenance. Not as bad as others have put it out to be, but definitely a couple of repairs a year (not too unexpected for a 180k mile vehicle though)
Very helpful video.
Always enjoy your reviews Nathan. So is the consensus that rear wheel drive bias better? Lol BTW, I have a secret admiration for BMW too. Haha
Guys, I loved the review. I hope you can take the X3 up the course all the way and maybe explain in some detail why this system does so much better than many of the other systems.
not the rav4 hybrid 4WD system here. do you think it would perform all the same?
Please take up a Grand Cherokee....... You guys tested a diesel model but due to the excessive snow it really wasn't a fair test due. Would love to see it conquer stage 3..... Love your stuff, keep it coming.
Are you guys going to review the new Jeep Compass up gold mine hill
as u tested drive a lot of cars can u tell me if limited compass or limited renegade are really better off roader than these two vehicules?
Hey TFLcar guys, i would love to see more capability for the X3... why don't you take that to the third obstacle? I have one X3 and i already done things that i never imagined. Can you gave your opinion?
I had a BMW once. Land Rover-ish reliability. It had what I first thought was a CD slot, but soon learned it was a money slot. I had to slide a $100 bill into the slot every 50 miles or so to keep the thing from breaking down.
Victor Creed sure.....
Bahahahahahah that's great lol
BS
Maybe it was because of the owner?
Lol, what were you doing to it?
PULL UP IN A BEAMER I WAS FLEXING “skirt”😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Finally you guys did a BMW finally after all theses years people said BMW cant even handle but yes if u do it right like u guys
Can you do a cherokee kl but just with active drive1, no low range?
BMW xDrive is rear wheel biased, but distribution is 60/40 during normal driving. It does not completely disengage front axle unless at parking lot. When computer recognize that car is being parked it will disengage front axle. I have 2013 X5 35d and did not do off roading of any kind but did do a lot of deep snow driving since I ski a lot, using snow tires of course, and xDrive is a blast in snow.
Older review but good one. There are lift kits for the Rav4 which make a significant difference and worth looking into.
Can’t wait to see the RAV4 adventure try goldmine Hill. Great videos.
Shoot! I wish they had at least tried the third level. I can't remember seeing anything take the second level on the first try without having lockers. That was really cool!
Yep, makes me think the trail was extra compacted and dry for this comparison test.
Would love to see more comparisons like this. Maybe the Cx5, CRV, Highlander, Q5, GLC or XC60 next? I am less interested in BMW due to their reliability issues but great to see my suspicions confirmed that the RAV4 isn't really going to do well in the snowy conditions I live in due to poor AWD and limited ground clearance. Are there any differences that would have led the Lexus NX to perform any better than the RAV4? Do they use the same AWD system?
For a crossover, I think the Rav4 needs a bit more ground clearance, although it doesn't look too bad. The X3 looked like it could have gone further up the trail. I was looking forward to the next obstacle. What about taking a Juke or CX-3 next or perhaps the Kia Sportage.
Hello , I am in desperate need help in clearing a doubt I had in my rav4, I thought you could probably know the answer to my question...so to begin I don’t live in the states, so the RAV4 I have is not the same as yours, we get the 2.0L version in my country. So I thought that the difference was only in the engine but a few days ago I ordered a replacement rear view mirror from the USA bc it was cheaper to bring and install than to take it to the dealer but when they installed it I realized that it was much smaller than the other one and now it looks asymmetric, one side with a bigger mirror than the other, so I was wondering two things, is it possible that the American version rav4 has smaller mirrors than the 2.0L ones or did I just get scammed and got an unoriginal toyota piece on Amazon?? If they are smaller I think I’ll just order the left side from the states as well so it doesn’t look bad, if you think I got scammed with a smaller unoriginal mirror I guess I’ll have to spend the extra buck on a dealer mirror 😕 thanks hope you could help (mines is the 2018 model btw, the mirror I bought supposedly fit all models from 2013-2018, but I’m guessing only American versions?)
@2:43 BMW states that Xdrive is 40/60 (F/R) in normal conditions, and can distribute differently on slippery surfaces. So it's always engaged in front side. Overall good video.
I have a 2012 Dodge Journey V6 AWD and I would love to know how the Journey would handle Gold Mine Hill.
Would be interesting to see a review of LR4 or Older LR3 rover on gold mine hill. Interested to see if the rovers off road acumen is all they they make it out to be.
For another couple grand you can get a 4Runner limited with full time 4wd + more/better everything.
Except the 4runner is donkey ass on pavement
4Runner is a fat chain smoking 49 year old compared to the sleek and sexy X3
Toyota junk
take the ford explorer sport and use the different terrain settings?
Nice hat Nathan, did you enjoy your time in Iowa?
The RAV 4 from the early 2000's actually looks like its meant for offraod with higher ground clearance and larger tires.
Great video. The BMW X3 F25 Is su hijo a great Luxury car .
This is awkward, the new X3 just came out...😂
lol literally just came
Ahahah! had an X3 30d as a loaner car, God I love the AWD system in that, the rear end loves to play a little, and you're taking the corners at crazy speeds! Love xDrive!
My dad has e53 x5 and he went through 2 feet of snow in all season tires and the x5 had a locking diff back then but now it's just a xdrive system
BMW ///M POWER Nice dude, tough stuff! The e53 & e46 is what made me fall in love with BMW 😍 currently have an F22 👌🏾
That's nice e53 is the reason fell in love too amazing e53 4.8is is loud and fast
You should try the Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk. I got one and I wanna know if it's capable to do the Gold Mine Hill
Have you got a chance to bring the Jaguar F pace up to this hill?
I have a 2017 BMW X3. It's actually a really good vehicle. Tons of room inside. It's comfortable. With winter tires it's very good in snow and ice. Visibility is great all around and it's very easy to drive and park. I've had zero issues with it and it gets great gas mileage. I'm quite happy with it.
You guys should try a Mazda cx-3&5 or those stile of cars and see which one does better
you should take more older cars like the aztek up gold mine. I'm very curious to see how a 2002 ford escape would do. I have one.
My 2013 RAV4 made the third obstacle. Same AWD system but I have better approach and departure angles. There was a little spinning and 2 foot driving but it made it.
Max Porter shows to me.
Its all about the driver. Peoole underestimate the Rav4 so much.
My mother has a 2015 Toyota RAV4 LE AWD, and I currently have a 2017 BMW X3 xdrive35i, both great, I like having more power so I much prefer my Beamer but when I drive my mothers car, it honestly drives quite similar.
$40,000 for a Rav4. I’m showing my age by the sticker shock of this vehicle.
Great review by the way.
The prices on both are shocking. $40k for a Rav4? Uh, no. That's getting into luxury car territory.
Well, that's kind of the dilemma - do you want an economical brand with all the features or base model luxury?
DarthRegis I'd take base luxury with 240hp over top of the line with 170 any day.
DarthRegis exactly. With a fully loaded economy brand you get way more features than an entry level luxury brand. Not to mention lower maintenance costs down the road. That said, everyone has a different sweet spot.
I usually get mid trim levels as they provide the best balance of price and features. The new RAV4 platinum trim is an absolute joke, not worth the price over the limited trim
Joe Black your own finger or someone else's?
exactly! for about 50k$ you can buy Bentley
For the price of a RAV4, you could get a Tacoma. that's what I'd do.
Jake Tow Well if you really wanted a truck, more people want crossovers or SUVs.
Jake Tow yeah my boy got a RAV4 for his fam and now thinking on trading it in for a Taco after we drove my old taco
it's because you are American
Intrepid Milotic No, it's because it's more useful. Me being American has nothing to do with it.
Tacoma is not the same as the 2here, they are mid crossovers, you wanna buy a truck for utility go ahead. people who are looking for X3 or Rav4 do not give a shit about an ugly and uncomfortable vehicle, you cannot compare the 2.
I´d really like to see a Audi A4/A6 Allroad, VW Passat/ Golf Alltrack, Mini Countryman All4, BMW X6/X5, 5-series Xdrive. And the Volvo XC60. Actually, I´d like to see all european cars with awd systems going up the Gold Mine Hill.
Subaru Crosstrek and Levorg would also be interesting. If you ad Skoda in the US a Octavia Scout would be very interesting. Dacia Sandero?
There's no A6 Allroad, Passat Alltrack, any Skoda or Dacia in the US.
Yea they need to import like 80% of that list
Def wanna see a countryman do this, I want them to compare the 2016 and 2017
Tak1 ó
In addition to what others said, All the VW and Volvo use the Same AWD(except the Touareg), Some Audi too.
I own a 17 RAV and my father a 17 X3. They're both pretty capable in snowy conditions on the road. I wouldn't, however take either one off-road.
Love the hat. Used to live there!
The problem with Goldmine hill is that to put a car through a decent test you run the risk of bending it, unless you are prepared to do that its a bit of a weak test, could you do some tree pruning and make it a little less risky to the paintwork?
I can't understand why you guys have to turn off the traction control. Surely the Rav would have done better with a run up with traction control on as you did with the BMW. I'd also like to see the Grand Vitara again, this time with traction control on. It would just cruse up. You tested the Honda with the traction control on. Why not the other SUVs?
You have to just press the traction control button if you hold it down stability control is also off.
hey is it possible can take the Dodge journey on the gold mine Hill please
Lets also be clear that when we talk about BMW's in the Dakar, that we aren't talking about beefed up X3's. They are actually rally raid cars with unique chassis that are completely unrelated to their namesake. A good example would be a NASCAR impala to a for sale impala. They both say impala and Chevy is providing the funding for both but they couldn't be more different. BMW does have good experience in off road adventures though, just not sure if any of that is in the X3.
He's just saying BMW has the capability to make off road vehicles but they choose not to so they have fun driving the car not like the rest of the cars witch are very boring
We need to see the 2017 Mini Countryman with All4 vs 2016 All4 and older. Get the same spec of both.
I had to replay the price part on the RAV4 a couple times. At first I thought he said double dollars and not devil dollars. For a moment I thought he slipped in a Trigun reference.
what about toyota sienna awd vs toyota highlander awd, of course with the same engines
also acura mdx super hybrid. I'm guessing it will do bad, but I still kinda would like to see it. also jag f pace
BMW owned Land Rover and had access to all of the four wheel drive experience, expertise, tech and patents it needed to make SUV's. They kept the patents they needed before selling Land Rover off.
Interesting point. I am curious to read more about the patents topic, please do share if you remember one of those articles (I know that I am 4 years late to reply, so you might have forgot haha)
6-speed "classic" automatic transmission or cvt on rav4?
Алексей Володяев Regular 6 speed automatic for the gas engine RAV4. The Hybrid RAV4 uses a CVT.
first off I wanted to see the BMW on the 3rd obstacle. Then how about comparing the X1 to the X3?
Can y'all try taking the 2017 CRV up goldmine? I think y'all will be suprised haha
I read some of the comments below and, most of the people would love to see x3 on third part.
I recomend you to take the Nissan Rogue Sport. It has a great 4WD system.
Please test the new Audi Q5 up Gold Mine Hill!
How about an old vs new on the cars? The first gen rav4 at least looks a lot more offroad worthy.
My friend! you should compare the X3 with Lexus NX, not with the Rav 4!!
Sorry to say to you but RAV4 is better than NX. NX has useless electrical rear wheel motors. Check reviews
Rav4 is better than lexus nx
I would like to see the Cherokee trailhawk complete all 3 stages
The other thing about the X3 which makes this kinda weird is its balanced totally differently than the rav 4. I feel like that makes a non negligible difference when comparing RWD with FWD biased differentials
Why TFL didn't use the Mitsubishi Outlander to compete with? The S-AWC modes in Outlander are combined the front wheel AWD, full time AWD, and AWD lock. And it has much much better off road capabilities than the RAV4.
GUYS, What's wrong with the audio? Not a clear as normal inside & outside the car.
CRV RULES,love the music.
Wouldn' GMC all terrain pack. make better system comparison to BMW?
take up the mitsubishi outlander gt fullsize. its got ground clearance and is pretty good off road with its sawc
momentum?
The New RAV4 makes me sad. A Recreational Activity Vehicle [4 wheel drive] it no longer is. The original was so unique and versatile, the 2nd gen was okay. 3rd gen had the v6, a high tow rating and could at least hit a trail or two without embarrassing itself. Anything past gen 3 has been an embarrassment to the original idea. FYI - the "center diff lock" doesn't actually lock a diff, it simply applies more clutch pressure on the center PTO up to a given speed before it gradually releases the pressure on the clutch. In fact, it doesn't even have a center diff to lock. The effect is the same though that at speeds up to 25 mph the clutches will lock the front and rear axles together, releasing and reverting to auto above 25 mph. Gen 1 and 2 actually had a center diff and a mechanical lock that gave you true 4wd anytime it was active (for the manual models at least)
Simple logic says that rear-biased vehicle would perform better in up-heal battles. Front wheel-biased one's will loose weight and grip as soon as hill would get steeper. Down hill would be pretty much close for both vehicle of all-wheel vehicles, cause down-shift and vehicle electric control will play role. But BMW's reaction to loosing grip, at front wheel, was instantaneous.
They may not compete in the new market but in the used market price-wise they will compete....
I expected them to do more tests
test an older Ford escape on gold mine hill, one with 4x4
How about a first generation Rav4 vs current generation Rav4?
Andy Zavalla that would be interesting to see.
When it comes out can you take the 2018 Ford Expedition on the trail
Turns out that Roman himself was the insurmountable 3rd obstacle
They should put a v6 in these rav4 , they are so boring to drive
Aleixei Demirov Like they used to but they took them out because of mpg.
Aleixei Demirov only 5-10% of people bought them,so they discontinued it. The Hybrid makes about 194hp so that can give you some extra power
Aleixei Demirov You wouldnt buy it anyway
Brian Lawrance still bro toyota is dumb they only put big engines in big cars , if they could at least give the rav4 like maybe 340-370 horsepower people would buy those , it doesn't sound , the handling is poor
Aleixei Demirov I agree but over 300 hp is a stretch. that's a little too much. The 300 hp Camry engine would be great but I doubt they'll do it.
Did you just make a Trigun reference?
Subaru forester next?
Please take it up the the other part.
nice
Would be nice to see a Tesla Model x all wheel drive system in action. Also the new volvo xc60
At least the crossover has a new meaning now I guess...
To me crossovers/suvs/trucks are meant to be utilitarian which means easy to drive, easy to carry, and reliable not fancy and expensive like that BMW
love the show, but there is one thing missing. can you guys please bring back your ratings. i.e. buy it, lease it, rent it, or forget it. it was very useful to see what you guys would do, buy, lease or rent the car.
Shahab Besharatlou I'd buy it!!! These cars can last forever if you maintain them well
Brian Lawrance I agree, but I think it would be nice if they brought back their ratings.
I really don't like biases and it's pretty evident in this video(check the video for yourselves). You don't have to be a 4wd expert to know momentum plays a huge part in lots of circumstances. Any tester can drive a car to make it not look as effective and it was done in this case quite evidently. The Toyota was driven more slowly than the BMW which induced wheel spin, simple as that. With the same speed as the BMW it would have performed the same.
My mom has a RAV4 and she hates it. No room it's too small and there is no stability at higher speeds. This come from a woman who went from a 2004 GMC YUKON DENALI XL to this crap.
toyota needs an eLSD or a better traction control programming
Yep, it appears the Toyota's tires that are slipping are not getting any braking applied to them like on the BMW, so the Toyota has a cheaper system of tire slip control it appears as it may only be reducing engine power and unable to apply the brakes to a slipping tire.
try the new audi q5 or q7 please
Can you do the Range Rover sport
IF the Toyota was sub $35k then maybe I'd consider it "better value". I know the BMW has a higher premium in terms of badge and cost of ownership, but for where the Toyota's price is in comparison, it's hard to justify especially with how the BMW performed effortlessly. If I absolutely had to choose between the two, BMW. More money but more performance, luxury, power, better AWD system, and looks.
rav4 is a cvt? I thought it was a 6 speed?
ted101975 The RAV4 Hybrid uses a CVT but the regular gasoline 2.5L uses a traditional automatic transmission
I wanna see stage 3
What happened to Nathan!? Lol put him in more videos
compere any offroader with forster or outback.