BLOOD AND CHEESE - The Chilling Real Story of What HBO Left Out
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video we explain and take a look at all the most horrifying details, differences, and changes HBO made with the infamous Blood and Cheese segment from Fire & Blood.
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Definitely wasn't as intense I can see why that would be digestible for tv audience though it's a rough scene.
They changed too much
I think that hbo didn’t allow it this is a difficult scene tbh
they could have just used the book and avoided the uncessary scenes... it was already written for them just to follow and kinda messed the first episode's ending... just my opinion. overall, sill love hotd.
I think they did a good job, (as a book reader) I stopped breathing, and my 3 y.o being next to me didn't help, yikes. Tragic stuff
Kind of a bummer they cut Maelor from the show, it’s more gutwrenching that she picks him because Jaeharys is the heir and then Cheese fucks with Maelor about mommy wanting him dead before Blood lops off Jaehaerys’ head.
The idea that the surviving child knows their parent chose them to die over their sibling would really mess with their head. It was much darker and intense in the book.
Maybe Maelor isn’t born yet.
Why do you want it to be even darker yeesh 😅
@@picantepatriciobecause that's why Helaena kills herself, because of guilt
Thanks for spoiler jackass
@lgth.jne2 you should go do the same thing
I get toning down the gore but not leaving in the emotional turmoil was a stupid choice
I was thinking it would be in the next episode, they didn't finish the chapter in the episode.
exactly
Exactly! And did they actually tone it down? Those sounds were brutal and unnecessary. It was supposed to be a quick death
I'm fine the way they did it. This is the decapitation of a child. They weren't gonna show it that explicitly.
@@akaraniqthe head was saw 🪚 off. With a blunt rat catcher's knife. They had no sword or anything super sharp. Nothing is quick about sawing cervical vertebrae and trachea.
Nobody expected the brutality to be shown, obviously. But what was expected, and what is fair to expect, is maintaining the elements of the scene that made it so gut wrenching.
A mother forced to choose one son over the other. A mother begging and pleading with everything she has for them to be spared, putting her own life on the line over theirs, only after every possible alternative is explored does she relent and choose which one has to go…only for them to disregard her choice completely and choose the other one…forcing her to go on living while the son she chose…continues living looking her in the eyes knowing she chose him to die instead.
All of that could have still been included without showing the brutality..instead we got a fast finger point and awkward shuffling out of the room.
EXACTLY!
It lead to this because they decided to cut Maelor from the show.
Agree! Any emotional attachment is taken away
it's only gonna get worse from here folks
Couldn’t have said it better
The shock of Blood and Cheese wasn't from the boy's death, but rather from Helaena's agonising choice. In ACOK we see many children die horribly, so it's not unusual in the story, but what shocked me while reading F,&B was how could a mother choose between her 2 young children? I imagined more pleading, more fear, more everything.
And then they show us Alicent getting it on, seriously?
Yeah, they already gave us one scene of him eating it. That was enough. A second scene was uncalled for, but I guess they were trying to prove Alicent wanted Rhaenyra's first pleasure tool too.
It's supposed to show her hypocrisy and later on her guilt. When Helena was walking, she kept looking around because there were no guards anywhere. We can assume they were sent away so that sir crispy wouldn't be caught entertaining the queen and soiling his precious cloak.
I didn't expect a child to die on screen but I fully expected the princess to be more distraught by picking which child to die which we didn't get in the episode
I agree; I found this scene to be very anticlimactic, as you would expect much more of a “tortured choice”. She just said that one. 😅
@@phillylady She didn't "just say that one". She clearly went through a range of emotions before deciding to point out her son, look up from your phone.
@@drejerm7856 I did not get the sense that it was really a tortured choice for her to make. I’m not saying it was easy, but I would expect for her to put up much more of a resistance. I remember listening to the audiobook, and felt a lot more intensity with this scene than I did watching it.
Says who ? You dont know how you would react
@@phillylady different doesn't equate to worse or inferior, you brought expectations into the scene instead of enjoying the scene for what it was.
Whoever decided to have Helaena walk in on Alicent riding Christon immediately after this scene deserves to be banned from ever working on film or television ever again. It immediately takes you out of the moment and is absolutely unnecessary.
It's to show how incompetent they are. Such a biased decision and black propaganda
They just want every member of TG to be portrayed as bad as they could be so they're inventing fucked up scenes on their own
It’s a GoT equivalent of Marvel films whenever characters making inappropriate jokes during intense scenes
Facts. Like this scene was supposed to be powerful and emotional. When they showed Allicent riding o busted out laughing. It just did not do what it was supposed to do
Not to mention that it's the Queen having an affair with a Kingsguard without locking the door! They literally wrote it that way just to have Helaena find them doing it 🤦
How to fix this scene: Have Helena beg a lot more, but ultimately point at Jaeherya. But the element of Blood and Cheese choosing the opposite child remains, and they kill Jaeherys instead. And instead of her running out, Helena stands frozen as the camera focuses on Helena's face and her look of pure horror as we hear the sounds of Jaeherys being killed and his head hacked off. Then cut to Alicent and Criston in bed, and suddenly they're interrupted by the sound of Helena's horrifying scream. Then cut to them bursting into the room with several guards, only to find Helena still screaming while rocking back and forth with Jaeherya in her arms and drenched in blood. Then cut to Alicent's horrified face, followed the cut to black and credits.
Damn. They should hire you to do the writing. 👍
This is how i imagined the episode to be. An episode that will question us black supporters if we are supporting the right team. I ROLF seeing alicent bouncing huhu
That's intense
Not bad
Guess you all didn't pay attention to hotd at all. Helena was not a normal mother. She saw this vision multiple times and was desensitized to it. She did the best damage control she could and bolted
Helaena was too sane for someone who just lost her son.
I wish her reaction was as visceral like Catelyn in the red wedding episode.
Halaena sees the future. she knew this was coming. she is in pure shock and trying to run away and save her daughter while listening to her son have his head sawn off
@@katnikkerkaylawe don’t know how she sees the future so we can’t even say that.
@@katnikkerkayla that's true she somehow has premonitions about these things that's why she didn't lie when they asked who is the boy. Also people who are in the spectrum sometimes don't react that much to things like this some get shocked and turn mute in high stress situations.
I actually loved her reaction and find more fitting than a scream. She's not "normal" like others. So her pointing out the boy when asked, moving like she's in a nightmare when she took her daughter and being in a trance shock while fleeing is more fitting. Even how she's completely oblivious to what Alicent and Cole are doing and quietly sat down while digesting what happened is gut wrenching than a scream.
Not everyone responds to the death of a child in the same way. It is totally realistic for someone to go into shock and not immediately be able to process what happened.
In the book, Blood kills the child with one single blow from a sword, in the show...they are decapitating him by cutting....which I'm sure took time and the boy felt it. Brutal.
I’m pretty sure he thankfully was dead or nearly by the time they started that. I heard a slice and then dripping which was probably the throat being cut. Otherwise why wasn’t the child screaming?
Yeah the sound was intense !
@@starkgamescharmbracelet Cuz they covered the boy's mouth. That should be pretty obvious, since they have to cut his head off quietly so they don't alert the guards. So no, he was most likely not dead when they started to cut. He felt the first painful half of it for sure.
@@TheProtege00… when they first grab him out of his bed they cover his mouth and you can hear his muffled screams.
Covering a mouth muffles sound. It doesn’t stop it. Obviously.
@@starkgamescharmbracelet Yea and at that point you are not going to continue to hear him scream when they are cutting his throat.
She didn't beg or look terrified..it was more like surprised... where is that EMOTIONAL AGONY????😔
She did look terrified
She has some mental incapability.
They don't want rheaneryn to look like a bad person.
This was such a gruesome act, killing a little kid, and it will reflect poorly on the blacks but the show always wants to potray the blacks as good
@@singstreetcar5881 the cast did say there are no good guys here
The way I see it Helaena act this way is understandable in the setting of the show, as a dreamer she probably dreamed of this a decade ago already, and by this point she probably already accepted this as her fate that she couldn’t escape. Hence I think the way she react when it actually happened was not that of agony, but that of a last bit struggle(yeah I know this would happen but what if, maybe just maybe, it may not come to that if I try a bit?), but immediately her struggle failed and she likely just give up entirely and decide to accept this cruel fate
This scene was supposed to have ended in a more serious and silent manner than Helena crashing into Alicent's room while she was 😂😂. In the books, cheese knows which room is whose. He goes into Alicent's room and waits for helena. All that tension buildup wasted just for helena to choose one boy while in books blood kills the other. Helena just walks out like nothing happens. If this is the level of writing they have, they're gonna butcher all amazing battles ahead.
Nothing "eenduhbukhs" is what actually happened. It's 3rd person accounts. In fact because Alicent and Crispy wouldn't have a reason why they were absent she may make up the story that she was held hostage as an excuse for why she was otherwise occupied. Exactly what was recorded "eenduhbukhs"
the beauty of this scene is that there really isn't much she can do and you realize that walking out silently seeking help is the only choice she has. She was in shock and only thing in her mind is to keep her only child safe.
@@AncientEsper Its not that she cannot do anything, that we know she can't do anything to outmuscle two men. Its just that how things worked out. Symbolically it would've made more impact if she chose one child and they killed other and all we would see the one who survived gazing at her. Thats what made her commit suicide. Because choosing maelor already killed herself in front of her children.
@@pyroslasherroom temperature IQ take
@@Anmol.singh.10 I think she will still kill herself out of guilt. She didn't try to stop them, she pointed to her son and watched as they killed him. As a mother, that would kill me. Given that the children are twins, she will likely still get guilty feelings every time she looks at her daughter now.
Dude, Condal completely butchered this scene. What was supposed to be Red Wedding level shock turned out to be a dud.
I haven't read the book, and can tell you that this was a complete shock. If not literally seeing the decapitation is an issue for you, I would say you should seek counseling.
@@snerdterguson Dude, read the book first.
Watch the video they tell you how it was in the books very cruel@@snerdterguson
@@snerdterguson Obnoxious and needlessly hostile contrarian.
We need D and D back
They wouldn't have held back
They would have gone all out. Blood everywhere, screaming, crying, etc the whole 9 yards
Getting this recommended after GRR's clip in which he talks about how he is annoyed by modern movie producers and writers always trying to make a "better version" themselves than what the original author intended, thinking they could do better, yet always failing, couldn't be more ironic and better timed.
you gonna ignore that george helped write this episode?
@@stevenhedge2850 proof ?
@@shantanutoraskar428 George’s name on the credits?
@@stevenhedge2850 I honestly think George is showing us what really happened.
@@stevenhedge2850 It was the case multiple times during GoT. He helped and was credited for it, because it is a great PR for them. But at the same time he has no saying in what happens there. He can help, but the deciding vote isn't his.
If you think that he had any power to change the scene, you are badly mistaken.
Blood and cheese flopped, we didnt feel anything, she is a calm person we know but she is a mother also
I was waiting for her to tell them to kill her instead of her babies like catelyn did, I’m disappointed very weak scene, i personally felt nothing
@@TM-qf6vl this should be the scene that Healena goes mad. And we were comparing this scene to the red wedding how lame. They didnt want to show kid getting killed but they could do it without showing it. Even Cheese kicking the dog was more sad
@@MegaMerich without mentioning aemond saying to Criston that they « usurped the throne » not claim the throne . And Alicent and Criston Cole sex scene which butchered theirs characters. So they made it like green hypocrites vs good blacks
That actress is too young and inexperienced to give a powerful performance like Michelle failey gave at the red wedding
i mean you're mad because you teased B&C for 2 years and it wasn't even that good in the book
They played it safe, which is really disappointing. Worse still, they turned Blood & Cheese into bumbling idiots. Kinda makes me lose faith for what they’ll do/not do later in the series.
Did you expect HBO to display child murder? This was bound to happen, toning down the gore was necessary as child murder on television is taboo. I just wish the emotional turmoil Halaena went through in the books was included.
@@daligang1359 “Did you expect HBO to display child murder?”
Yes, just like how they did to Talisa’s unborn child, Lommy, Jojen, Shireen, Joffrey, Myrcella and Olly.
I think I'm giving up on the show. They already burned the fans with the last few dog shit seasons and this is heading that way fast.
I share in your sentiment.
Unfortunately, the show-writers don't seem to understand that creative deviations are best for reserved for less significant moments.The major events should strictly follow one of the narrations told in the book, if not, only adding details where the third-party account would render the narrator unable to capture the whole truth.
@@nont18411 is it the same as a 5 year old beheading
All I wanted was her to choose one and for them to choose the other child to blank her over.
Them relying on intuition of the mother’s honesty was so corny too.
Yesss! They made the question 'which one is the boy', instead of 'which child should be killed'. It undermines the pain of her decision. Also that stupid sex scene, wtf!
@@rachell452 And they rubbed the salt to the wound by telling the surviving boy how his mother wanted him dead. But according Sara Hess and the black stans, F&B were pro-green propaganda which made up the info that Aegon had two sons instead of one just to make B&C more evil.
Now I understand why GRRM was talking about when he said the showrunners trying to make the show their own and better , and always end up worse. What a shamble of writing , I had such a high expectation.
You know he was talking about Disney right?
He’s an executive producer on this show.
😂
@mattcollins3591 He was an executive producer on the other show, and they still made changes he didn't agree with.
@@akaraniq he made the decision.
This was some DnD debacle
@mattcollins3591 he is not the only one making decisions, he doesn't have the final say with the show, what don't you understand about that?
Just had me asking myself why wasn’t there like any guards ?
Like at all, it made no sense. They could have just walked up the steps, they didn't need the secret tunnels
Lol. I also thought. Not a single guard to guard the princess and Prince and queen herself. 😂. Despite a war is going on (almost).
Sir Criston Cole should have guarded them I think, didn’t they say that ?
Because the commander was in bed with Alicent and wasn't giving out orders to the guards
So the writers can imply that Incel Cole and Alicent were to blame for blood and cheese. Cole wasn’t guarding the queen and decided that all the guards should take a night off and Alicent was too busy being horny
I don't care how submissive they made Helaena's personality in the show, a mother would show more emotion when trying to spare her children. This felt emotionless and rushed.
It’s not emotionless. It’s shock. It’s a freeze response, followed by flight. Not every person reacts to trauma the same, certainly not a neurodivergent character.
@desihoffman298 For me, it was poorly done, and the 2 paragraphs that Martin gave us in the book were better. The showrunners wanted another red wedding, then they should have stuck to the book and made Heleana's emotional turmoil more palpable. She gave up her son within seconds, I don't think that's a realistic representation of what a mother would do
@@akaraniq don’t get me wrong. I wanted it to be better too. The pleading and outward panic would have been much more impactful but my point was that it wasn’t emotionless. Shock and freeze responses can be more painful, looking back, than loud panic for the person who relives it.
@desihoffman298 I disagree 🤷♀️ It's ridiculous that they have great source material, and we have writers on a show that think they can do better. The tv should should live up to the source material.
Y'all are missing the point that she's prescient. She told the king, "I fear the rats," either not knowing why she feared them, or finding the details of her vision unspeakable. Then, when confronting her vision playing out before her eyes, she's overwhelmed with fatalism and knowing she's about to lose her son no matter what she does. It's all terribly in character and spooky af. Sorry y'all missed that.
The whole s*x scenes btw alicent and criston are garbage and who the hell chose to have that scene directly after the baby's beheading
I was shocked by that seen too , totally butchered Alicent and Criston Cole characters, they made them look like complete hypocrites, now it’s a good blacks vs bad greens war
@@TM-qf6vlyou know that daemon ordered the murder? in which world are the blacks the “ good”?
@@DavyJones_ Well they made aegon a raper, Alicent and Criston Cole hypocrites. Rhaenyra a very peaceful ruler (she did not seek war at first)..... how cannot be a villain vs hero story . Oh I forgot plus they made aemond say « usurped the throne » not « claimed the throne »
that karma is eating Rhaenyra , i aint forget she got Laenor killed . who was a cool dude. and smiled right in his moms face
@@zuuboi7521 producers are team black, they made it obvious, the show is already biased by now
I was expecting this scene since it's freaking notorious like the Red Wedding... When Halaena mentioned rats at the beginning of the episode (plus the episode title) I knew this was it... that being said, it was very anti-climactic. We didn't need another scene of Alicent grinding, she already had been eaten out early in the episode, that shit establishes nothing. They should have focused more on the impact of Halaena being forced to choose.
They messed up the blood and cheese soo bad. It was supposed be very traumatizing.
And yeah the majority of the show's fans are going to be crybabies and say that the show would suck !
@@simeonnikolov9261the ending did suck 😊
@@simeonnikolov9261 I'm not a crybaby about that, i'm a crybaby for the fact we had to wait 2 fckn years and this is what the first episode brings us? 95% dialog and then 5% a little bit of action
@@bobbybos2170 Here I agree 👍
It was
Prefer they kept to the source material... Hate when they make changes 😔
Who cares, there’s lots of changes in everything. It’s not that big of a deal to bitch about it.
They are trying to hard to paint alicent as bad.
What was the point of her sleeping with criston cole?
I think, it’s to remind people she’s a hypocritical and selfish woman. For a second, you see her “mourn” Lucerys, egging on a slight empathetic tone to viewers, and then it’s immediately snatched away when you see her do what she’s doing with Cole, to remind you that all this is happening because she’s selfish. And I think they don’t want viewers to forget that
@@mayahyisrael2473 if she were selfish, she wouldn't have lit up a candle 🕯️ for lucerys
Because showrunners are sex obecessive, the whole drama about Rhaenyra vs Alicent is because Rhaenyra had sex with whoever she wanted and Alicent was upset about that, this show is pathetic.
@@indiankid8601 feeling a flicker of guilt for the crimes and murder you're complicit in and not being selfish are entirely different things.
The writers are taking notes from Netflix.
Alicent and Cole straight up feels like something from D grade period erotic dramas
As someone who did not read the books and is unfamiliar with the storyline, I genuinely didn't realize this was such a big event in the book. The show really did not do a great job of portraying the brutality of the situation or the emotional depth. I remember watching the red wedding episode with a friend...after it ended we just stared at the screen in silence. Her sister started bawling lol. When I watched that episode last night, I didn't get that feeling at all. Hell, I didn't even realize this was supposed to be a big event. But if Alicent were tied up, an innocent servant and guards killed, and Helaena were forced to choose between her awake and aware sons, I guarantee my jaw would've been on the floor. Especially as someone who isn't as into HOD as I was GOT. That would've really showed everyone that this show isn't f*cking around. And they don't even have to include any of the really bad stuff/gore toward the children. But yeah, I think they missed with this moment considering I needed a TH-cam video to explain to me why it was actually agonizing. Without watching this, I never would've known because that wasn't my takeaway after watching.
alicent being tied up would have looked silly honestly.
Right? We didn’t need the gore sounds. We needed that emotional built up. Once more, they opted to prioritise physical violence against psychological depth and BASIC LOGIC. Never in the middle of a war the whole floor where the royal family lives would be absent in guards. This was so dumb.
@@Blakenew127 actually you do see guards, you see the kings guard with aegon in the throne room. Clearly Cole told the guards on the upper levels to leave so he can have his trust
Anything to suagrcoat Rhaenyra And the blacks. And no It not because fire and blood is told from conflicting sources. There is stuff we “do know”. They written out characters which changes the entire narrative. Why is everything an accident? B&C wait for queen Healena , they didn’t stumble on her by accident. Even taking writing out melor changes “son for a son”. Me personally you don’t have to show graphic things directly but at least keep the dialogue and senerio to the spirit of the source material. You can have characters to evil things without being Evil.
Blood and Cheese has absolutly nothing to do with Rhaenyra. She has nothing to do with it in the book, but having Daemon and Misara not full on porpose send Blood and Cheese after Aegons kids was a dumb choice. Having Aemond accidentally kill Luke doesn't contridic the source because the only thing in Fire and Blood that happens during that scene is from the people at Storms End, no one knows what actually happend in the sky, so they can get away with this. But Blood and Cheese should have never been a mistake. One time accidentally killing a kid ok, but twice in a row is so dumb.
@@TemariNaraannaschatz I disagree. making Daemon make the kids a secondary target and Aemond, you know, the more actual target makes Daemon look smarter. Dameon also still makes the kid the secondary target, which is still bad.
the spirit is still there, Daemon still made the kid one of the targets. the book actually just makes Blood and cheese just sociopaths who killed Jaheryes because it was funny, not because out of professoinalsim.
As someone who watched the show first and then read the book, I can definitively say that I'm already tired of the show-writers hiding behind the veil of 'unreliable narration' to make egregious changes to the story that: 1) don't enhance the story in a meaningful way and/or 2) doesn't have any connection to what's mentioned in the book.
Creative deviations are fine if they are impactful and are best done at times where the change is inconsequential and doesn't dull the moment; Laena's death is such an example. But the escape of Rhaenys and removal/diminished roles of other key characters are changes that I find immersion-breaking, and it's made me regret reading the book.
Exactly. This "spectacle over logic" pattern is one that's been festering since HotD season 1 from minor stuff such as the knights killing each other at the tourney culminating into Rhaenys busting through the floor at Aegon's coronation.
100% agree. I regret reading the book because it’s shown me that the show is butchering things left and right. Reading this chapter in particular was such an emotional roller coaster and watching it…
Same man
@@chasingfelix3609I advise you to stop watching the show, brother. I also watched Season 1 until Episode 8, then went straight to the books. I HATED THE SHOW FROM SEASON 1! Criston's speech and him convincing Aegon to be king, thus making him the kingmaker. BUT NO! The show decided to make him the Queen raider instead. Rhaenys' stupid boss girl moment thus ruining Aegon's coronation and his moment with Sunfyre. Aemond regretting killing his nephew like, "WTF? Was he just playing tag with him with the biggest dragon in Westeros?" They whitewashed the Blacks so much. Greens bad, blacks good? And don't even get me started on Laenor's fake death. They want to whitewash the Blacks and Rhaenyra so much that they had to go this far to make them seem like the good guys? I've officially given up on the show.
And I have another theory, Dearon might be criston's bastard .
@@VictorIV0310 "spectacle over logic" is what killed GoT too. Clearly, HBO doesn't learn the lesson how its flagship show crashed, burned, and blown to bits so messy nobody wanted to talk about it ever again.
They left out or changed almost everything that made the scene so heartbreaking and cruel in the book. This was an enormous mistake on the part of the writers.
I'm so disappointed in what they did in the show. They stumbled around like the home alone burglars and when she just ran away when her son was killed and ran into a room where her mother was HAVING SEX.. WTF.
The show runners dont understand the source material.
Surprise Surprise let's hope it dosnt turn into wicther woke mess..
They do because the literal man who wrote it is assisting the show. Please keep up
@@grose2272 The show is already woke but HBO makes it inclusive in a way realistic to the world the story takes place in. Grow the hell up and stop blaming bad decisions on some woke boogeyman conspiracy bullshit. That is really petty and incel behavior.
As for the writers they've been doing a decent job so far but this scene was toned down too much for no reason. The only reason I can understand is them being biased to team black and don't want any monstrous actions commited in Rhaenyras name. I agree that this is a mistake however this has nothing to do with wokeness.
Also since the witcher show was mentioned , being woke is not the reason it failed either. The way inclusivity was handled there was atrocious but the actual reason it failed was the showrunners and writing teams inflated ego and their childish behavior.
@JL_Lux He was helping on the other show, so that doesn't mean shit. Martin has always said the show is it's own adaptation and he doesn't have full control of decision-making. Have you people forgotten GOT already?
@@akaraniq at this point Martin is a sellout and he is making crazy money he doesn't care what liberties they take as long as he makes money out of it. This is his payday and that's all he cares about. HBO is going to milk his stories for what they are worth. Look at the quality of dialogue most times it doesn't feel like they are reading a monologue,there is no nuance to any of the characters. Look at some of the other shows like the tudors, Spartacus, the last Kingdom,Vikings and look at this shit and every mistake is being hidden under the excuse of the book being written by unreliable narrator. Did the book also mees up their age? Alicent is 10 years older than rhaenyra in the books.
I had saw some early reviews talking about this was supposed to be HOTD Red wedding moment. They definitely dropped the ball! Absolutely no pleading from Helaena, offering a damn necklace? No kind of emotional pull on pointing out which kid to die? I get they are going for maybe she is a little autistic or “special” but there is no denying a mother’s love for her children which was clearly lacking in that scene. Also where are all the guards?? Huge disappointment and NO I didn’t want to see a kid beheaded but GOT handled gore in a way in many scenes (IE stabbing a pregnant woman, burning a little girl alive)…
Let’s look at HBO’s track record of child murders on screen.
Stabbing a pregnant lady to death
HBO: ✅
Burning an innocent child with greyscale as a blood sacrifice
HBO: ✅
Having a spoiled brat choking and crying in his own blood after being poisoned
HBO: ✅
Hanging a boy because he helped stabbing Jon in the end of season 5
HBO: ✅
Poisoning a girl which caused her to die in her father’s arm
HBO: ✅
Meanwhile, killing a boy in HOTD
HBO: “Oh no! Child murder is wrong. This is too far. We have to self-censor this scene and end the episode with the tonal whiplash Alicent sex scene.”
@@nont18411all of those could be debated 😂 mostly all of those are implied and or off-screen.
And no, hbo was never going to show a 5 year old being decapitated outright.
@@nont18411 that too even censored in my country
Not to mention Bran being pushed from a tower and a baby was murdered by janos slynt
@@Jordan-mq4wj again, you don’t see those.
If they fumbled this scene which was suppost to be horrific, I am now worried about the fight Aemond and Daemon will have.
Their battle above the Isle of Faces was suppost to be legendary. HBO please do not screw this one up!!
pls post spoiler alerts bro
I never wanted to see gore i just wanted them to portray the sadistic scene truthfully because while i was reading the book this moment is what convinced me that both sides are fucked.
Their making every major event an accident/misunderstanding is getting tedious. It erases so much character out of everyone: both sides are morally gray. Alicent making Aegon heir because she misunderstood Viserys, Aemond accidentally killing Luke, now B&C misinterpreting a baby for Aemond the rider of Vhagar? What next, is Caraxes going to go hug Vhagar and then Daemon’s sword accidentally stabs Aemond? Sunfyre mistakes Rhaenyra for dragon chow? Its cheap and pathetic
If only they could decipher what Helena said about `` I'm afraid about rats".
she's a dreamer . It's an ancient valyrian blood traits.
The scene was really sad. Nit directly because they killed an innocent child but because the mother has mental incapability to show the terror she was going through.
The helpless ness of her reactions while her son was getting killed was just sad.
Lol
I see what you mean. Especially at the end when she said "they killed the boy" rather than they killed my Son. It's as if she has some sort of emotional detachment.
I feel like making Helaena a dreamer has thus far added nothing to the story. If she saw what was going to happen with B&C, why didn’t she post guards outside of the nursery? Speaking of which, where the hell were all of the guards? The Red Keep was safe but that didn’t mean no guards. Didn’t Helaena, as queen, have her own sworn shield? Lastly, why wasn’t B&C done in the Tower of the Hand? It would have made more sense, logically, as the Tower had less security. Ugh, f**k this show.
@@khfan4life365 I agree. B&C was too easy.
The only thing I wish they didn’t change was choosing between the two sons, specifically because that makes the “All Must Choose” promo poster with just Helaena on it extra twisted
The show runners making a fanfiction of GRRMs work. A badly made one with Rhaenyra as protagonist.
🤝 well said
Also, I'm starting to think that when it comes to the final showdown between Dameon vs Aemon the writers will take huge liberties. The writers in their wisdom will put some twist, which will lead to a disappointing climax.
It will be like this daemon meets aemond and they decided the fighting isn’t always a solution so they have peace for each other but their dragons don’t and so the dragons fight and they ACCIDENTALLY loose control to their dragon and they die
@@hassanbadrek2726lol
@@hassanbadrek2726 So, a Shogun maneuver. The nonexistent Sekigahara battle.
@@hassanbadrek2726 it's looking like that.
@@hassanbadrek2726 Daemon accidentally slipped and fell from Caraxes. Aemond however also had a change of heart and tried to catch his uncle. Only for Daemon to accidently impaled him.
GOT has gone soft. This scene could have been red wedding level memorable. Cowardly.
I have a feeling that house of the dragon season 4 will have a bad ending like Game of thrones. They changed too much and I think they gonna change more a lot of stuff in season 3. I'm not gonna hype anymore but I will still watch the show
yeah im not holding my breath anymore. I'll just assume the rest of this will be trash
I agree. They are sugar coating everything. Alicent was supposed to be evil upsurper. But now its played off as misunderstanding. Aemond ACCIDENTALLY killing luceryrs in the show and now blood and cheese being ruined
@@winxclubflora8446 They are sugarcoating all the evil deed done by Team green.
Everything is either a miss understating or by accident.
At least D&D had the excuse that they ran out of source material to adapt and had no clue what to do next.
@@winxclubflora8446 Aemond accidentally killing Lucerys is justifiable since the show did establish Aemond as someone far smarter and calmer than his book version. However, there was ZERO indication Alicent and Cole fucked until S2.
B..b...but they were close. So they must've fucked.
Please we are smart enough to know a man and a woman can have a platonic relationship. Just because someone gets along or talks to each other a lot, doesn't mean they're fucking.
This episode was great, but Blood and Cheese was disappointing. No pleading from Helaena or offering her own life or anything. Also the question 'which one is the boy' was so dumb! In the books the question was 'which child should be killed'. They could have easily changed the dialogue and added a third child.
The line did make sense because the twins are fraternal. One boy and one girl. And they are both long haired and blonde. Cheese said check to see which one had a "cock". But I do agree that they should have had Maelor in that scene. He was a Son that could have been potentially been killed.
@@naturistfredthe dumb part was that they couldn’t check themselves and needed to trust the mom’s word. They’re about do brutally murder a child prince, yet they couldn’t do the extra step of double checking to make sure.
I liked and shared cuz you got this out when I was sleeping :)
I just can't fckn understand how the hell was the whole castle so d*mn empty. The only guards we saw were in the throne room, I mean they never heard of night shifts? Haelena had to run through the whole castle to find a single soul, her mother and Criston.
They said the second season will be about the fans choosing which side they are on. But this whole episode was only about how much of a wh*re Alicent is, Aegon being an incompetent self-centered prick, Criston is Alicent's manwh*re now... great, now it should be obvious who the good guys are, the show-runners made it clear, there is no question what so ever. I was so eager to see what will happen at the start of the episode, now I couldn't care less anymore.
in the books , they even gave explanation about guards being summoned by aemond for a meeting , thats why they dont go after aemond and kill the baby instead , but in the show they just fcked it up and it looks like a plothole
@@marcosurvivalist7266 And don't forget book Cheese knew the castle from inside out, including the secret passages which allowed them to escape (Blood was caught while he was about to leave the city). He also knew Haelena and her kids visit Alicent every evening. That was how B&C was able to sneak up on them.
I prefer the book version of blood ,and cheese but , what we got is still pretty good and effective. Something being better in the source material doesnt mean that the adaptation version is bad.
The mom just was like…yeah just like kill him…cool I’m out now. In what world does a mom not exhaust every option, emotionally broken, before relenting to it, that’s absurd. The actual brutality is one thing but eliminating emotion and the Sophie’s Choice was bizarre.
The show didn’t do the scene justice at all. The Queen’s reaction was nothing like her reaction in the books. I was really disappointed.
@@chasingfelix3609Helaena 100% felt emotion. Do remember that she’s a dragon dreamer and probably saw this coming earlier. That’s why she said to Aegon that she was scared of the rats. But it still looked like she felt shock at the moment. And Cheese did say that if she didn’t choose, he’d murder both kids and herself. So she had no choice. The only thing she could do was simply take her surviving child while the two were distracted and get out of the room as fast as she could.
@@chasingfelix3609she has a neurological disorder, likely low functioning autism so her senses are over stimulated and breaking her mind. As someone’s who possesses high functioning autism I can understand her reaction.
@@garlantyrell6368 I watched the same scene you watched, the woman had minimal emotion and gave up immediately. The portrayal in the show versus what could have been done was disappointing.
I really wish they would have gone full brutal and showed it all. I'm tired of shows scared to do things to upset audiences. People are just too sensitive nowadays and creators are scared to push the envelope. It could have been so much better. Imagine the talk the next day.
I expected the scene to be something similar to the red wedding:
There’s tension building, something bad is about to happen, something foreboding and ominous, and when it happens, it just hits us and we’re left frozen, trying to comprehend what just happened…
Good Episode but i kinda felt Helaena's reaction was a little to calm? in the lore she lets out a scream as she clings to her murdered child rather then just walking away. While i get they were going for more of a she's in shock vibe. Kinda wished that we got a larger reaction.
Yeah. I didn't like the actress's rendition of a terrified mother who has to choose which child dies.
I don't know if it's her or the writers or both, but the scene made me laugh. When she steadfastly pointed to the boy it was almost like she was saying "here, take this one, he still wets his bed"
I mean, there was no Sophie's Choice feel to it, it felt like "take this one and be done with it, I want to grab some sleep before sunrise".
In the books she doesn't run with the other children, she embraces her dead one.
The scene was poorly done. Didn't feel for the mother, she didn't scream (which in that situation is uncontrollable), she didn't plead for the child's life or try to bribe them.
IMO, as a show viewer, never having read the book. I still found the scene horrifying and disturbing.
Though I get why the book readers would find it less shocking and criticize the changes. I think Haelena's reaction in the show was very well executed, to the actress credit, I could feel the shock, terror and extreme anxiety bottling up inside her without the need for screaming or immediate breakdown. In real life, people react this way to traumatic events and It's clear she will end up forever traumatized.
On the other hand, I guess the writers should have kept Alicent gagged and tied up in the room watching to make it more brutal, and the assassins switching to killing the other kid, would have make the scene more twisted and the trauma more justified.
Having Alicent in the room would also serve 'it was all misunderstood' angle the show loves so much. She would've think Rhaenyra ordered her grandson death as a revenge while Rhaenyra would think Alicent was slandering her by saying she deliberately ordered a hit on an innocent 6 years old boy.
But what can I say, I'm a random dude on TH-cam. not a writer of HBO flagship show
My only complaint is that the scene was way too clean. HotD was willing to show a fairly graphic C-Section in S1’s first episode, but killing a little boy in front of his mother and cutting off his head is too much?
2 vids in one night... Think Story in rare form #noDiddy 💯
The show version sucks.
Facts!!!
Yep
they blew the scene
it was only alright, should’ve been way worse & up close & personal
idk why hbo isn’t going all out on these scenes tbh.. they’re throwing all the money in this so why not
@@miekggAll they needed to do was have Helena really react like she did in the books. It all went by too quickly so there was no suspense or anything on who she would chose, if they’d believe her, and how it’d all go.
You don't have to show the graphics. But just show the drama like build the drama what is wrong with you
@@miekggit's because they have a woman in the writing
Almost wish I didnt know how much better this scene could have been. Watching this scene play out was disappointing
Brilliant video. I agree completely 👏🏾
I think HBO did not want child actors to go through such a psychologically challenging scene. It’s not about not showing gore. We saw the Black Queen’s stillborn with lots of detail… but they didn’t have to traumatize a child to get that scene made.
Something that has to be mentioned is that doing it like it was described in the books could be very scaring for a child actor. I mean those kids were very young and if they included Maelor, that kid would be even younger. So being this age and having a grown man who already looks and talks threatining enough, hold a sharp object at your throat and then hear the screams of the woman infront of you who literally beggs them not to kill you can be beyond traumatic. And then imagine they would have included the severed head. The Red Wedding was brutal but all of these actors were grown up and could distinguish between scene and reality but a child that young...
I think the mental health of child actors is more important than fan service
Yes it is understandable , however the didnt need the child actors t be present when H was pleading. The scene felt rushed and the fact that blood and cheese killed both a guard and a handmaid. And Also tied up Alicent which made it more brutal and impactful. I wished the given more time on this
@@ingeborggu2not saying the scene was perfect. I just think some forget that children in movies are also just children in real life
Thank you!
Agreed. And there was a reason why they made the child actors asleep in that scene. They were just far too young to handle a catastrophic event from the book.
Thing is: they could have still done most of the book moment with the children asleep. They could still have Helaena choose if they kept Maelor or told her they'd kill both if she didn't choose. They could have done the rape threats, Alicent in the room being held hostage, Helaenas handmaid killed -you don't need the kids on screen for that at all.
The only thing they could have not included is them telling Maegor: you're mom wants you dead, but even then they could have just creativly shot it so that the kid isn't actually in the scene to hear it.
I think was bad executed, of course the r@pe part was better cut off, but Haelena choosing the son to die was important. I was hoping at least this
And she did it was just so sad and horrific all in one
They really don't want us to have sympathy for the Greens.
Compare those changes to the powerful scene of Rhaenyra finding what remains of Luke's dragon.
When she was asked which kid was the boy, I was expecting an agonizing "Sophie's Choice" moment for her as a mother, but I guess the actress playing Helaena is no Meryl Streep ;-). We actually don't know what her acting range is since she's been an underused cast member so far. Other than the devastatingly well crafted scene of Aemma's death by Caesarean-birth in last season's very first episode -- a scene that's still as memorable as it is difficult for me to rewatch -- the showrunners just aren't great with the more gut wrenching moments. It reminds me of last season when Rhaenys and her dragon burst through the floor and killed a bunch of common folks -- it was intended to be a shocking moment, but just felt like an insult to the viewers' intelligence, which is always a pet peeve of mine.
And don't get me started on Allicent and Ser Cristen hooking up. It was implied last season that he carries a torch for Allicent, but I wish it was left ambiguous.The entire reason for Cole's hatred of Rhaenyra was that she failed to realize how seriously he took his oaths as a King's Guard and in his eyes, treated him as just her "_hore". Yet he's perfectly okay with being a side piece for the dowager queen and mother of the king he's sworn to protect? Make it make sense.
I like the idea of Allicent's new found freedom to put her own desires first, while also being hypocritical given how pious she's supposed to be. But there wasn't anyone else scandalous enough for her to hook up with ... like one, or perhaps both, of the Lannister twins? 😉
I think the actress did well with the given instruction. Haelena is depicted as someone who had a hard time process her emotion and and even harder time display it accordingly.
I’m so disappointed….I didn’t need or want blood & gore. As crazy as it may sound that’s not the point of the scene. Yes it’s bloody & brutal but it’s the emotions of what is about to happen. The TENSION & FEAR…SOMETHING ANYTHING!! Helena’s actress is incredible & this would’ve been an amazing scene to just see her lose her shit. I was really looking forward to seeing her really give her all but she never got that chance. What a complete waste of a life altering traumatic event….instead we get Alicent riding Cole…..thanks for nothing HBO 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Edit: oh yeah & dont think showing us 2 seconds of Aegon “playing in a great dad ! Look at me bringing my kid to work bc I really care about my kids!”
2 years and no payoff
After watching ep 2 preview , I was surprised that Aegon had more heartbreaking and realistic reaction than the boy's mother who witnessed the murder of his own son ! The writers or directors were not cookinh durinh this scene !
I might be the only person in the world who couldn't care less about watching this brutal event from the book being portrayed on the screen in all its gruesome details.
I think the choice of letting us hear what was happening instead of showing it was brilliant from a mere directorial perspective.
That being said, I'm just glad it's over and done with and we can now move on
Disappointing
I am disappointed ......
Same
0:23 where did you find that colorized image. Ive only ever seen these official Fire and blood images in black and white for some reason
What’s the song at the end of your vids?!
Why did he have to kick the dog?
The same way when a man embarrasses another man and instead of duking it out with his aggressor, he goes home and takes it out on his wife.
It’s cowardice.
The phenomenon is called displacement in psychology.
Boss abuses employee. Employee abuses wife. Wife abuses children, children buse the pet dog, pet dog bites the neighbours kid out of frustration 😂 @@mayahyisrael2473
Because the dog would have never left them they was in attack mode now and there was no use for the dog
Truly disappointed, I don’t read the books but I learn about the events of dance of dragons.
I was so looking forward to this scene only to be totally gutted.
I wanted to feel ‘ Red wedding’ again
The scene in the show was absolutely horrifying, wouldve been unneccesary to pile on even more
When a fan of the Blacks rewrites a scene, you get Alycent having sex with Cristen Cole. That was what the scene became about. Alucent having sex while her grand son was getting murdered by men sent by Daemon not Rhynera the Black Queen.
Daemon was always the mastermind no doubt. However, we don't know if Rhaenyra sanctioned B&C or she left it for Daemon entirely. Alicent banging Cole, however, is totally something you'd expect from a hate-fuelled/horny fanfiction.
I think they should followed the stakes more closely. Like you don’t have to threaten to do that to the daughter, don’t have to show the head being cut off but still gag Alicent & have Helena walk in on that. Still have her choose. Still have blood tell the other child. Still have the guards. Showing Alicent gave sex & Helena not react bc she’s traumatized is fine but we didn’t have to see Alicent have sex lol
The SCENE was a shitty one... Audience felt nothing of it
I needed the book version!! I was so hyped for this and it went flat and I'm yelling Where's the other kid?? They're all awake! The choice needed to be shown!!
it’s ridiculous, her tucking the guy again just seems like such a bad joke. would’ve had much more impact if she also had to endure the scene
Condal butchered this scene because God forbid Team Black being shown in a bad light.
They made Lucerys' death an accident. I would argue they try to whitewash Alicent and Aemond as well.
@@KevinLee-tp9sb they whitewash the woman characters, and all the bad decisions are being made by the men😂 what a bunch of clowns but it is to be expected. The standards have fallen, once we use to have shows like the Tudors and spartacus and now we have this bullshit. They want to show team black in a positive light so everything is an accident
Two vids in one night? Lets gooooo
I was so disappointed at how they handled this scene, they could've made it so much more intense and dramatic, but instead they rushed through it
I understand that something had to be removed, but I wish it was more closer to the end of the book.
It was a pretty disappointing scene, and creates plot holes for people who haven't read books
Imho, I understand that the book version is much too disturbing for mainstream TV but what the show gave us is too numbed out.
They should have put Alicent there like in the books, this would further foster her arc from sympathy for Rhaenyra to hate as the game progresses. Props to Phia for still being able to pull off what is given to her by the writers.
100% agree, why not go all out on the violence…
@@miekgg It depends on what Standards and Practices would let them do. Keep in mind that your basically seeing two men murder a child by beheading it after his mother chose his other sibling to die. You put that type of scene in a theatrically released movie, it would probably get an NC-17 rating.
@@KibaDragonRanger So a man shanking a pregnant lady to death, a serial killer raping a woman, a man slashing an old lady’s throat, a man getting his hand chopped off, a dragon burning innocent civilians are fine but when it’s about a boy being killed, then HBO started to draw a line here.
Double standards.
@@nont18411 Child murder has always been a taboo topic in film and television. You VERY rarely see it graphically depicted. It's not just HBO.
why would it be too much for TV, it's HBO.
I’m kinda surprised he even cared that his son was killed, he generally doesn’t seem like he would care like at all, but I guess the actor plays a good role clearly lol
i think some of you forget that the book is basically a retelling of the story from secondary sources/ word of mouth. The show provides the exact happenings of the war. Blood and cheese was probably exaggerated by the maesters who give their accounts in the book
How is GrrM allowing all this nonsense ffs
He is a sellout at this point he is making good money so he doesn't give a shit.
@@ratikantrout1865 Sarah Hess made me respect D&D more, atleast they wouldn't care about liberals and wokies
@@AnkitSingh-cd7tw Na they would just change teh entire scene entirely where blood and chese killed everyone and than forget they did that, making Helena be alive the next episode. "Helena forgot she died."
You're a way better explainer than screen crush and emergency awesome. Those two channels just talk way too many tangents and not straight to the point. Great video!
I don’t claim to be an expert, but I think it was way too easy to get into her chambers. No guards, no nothing.
And also I didn’t feel her getting desperate when she realizes that they want her son.
She should have begged them loudly to kill her instead.
Actually if you’ve watched The Walking Dead.
Negan forces Rick to almost cut off his son’s arm.
I definitely felt that.
Yes. That was weird. How easy they got inside Haelena's bedroom. The castle was practically deserted.
@@naturistfred cause Cole was doing a shit job.
For all those who said HBO didn’t want to show a child get his head cut off in House of the Dragon and say all the other children on the GOT sufferings were off screen but we still knew or heard what happened to them … let’s back up to the season that Joffrey had all Robert Baratheon’s bastard children killed… especially the little baby ripped from a mother’s arms crying and the king’s guard slit his throat and then have to watch king guard carry the dead baby by the foot. Maybe HBO wised up on HOTD but people forget they approved all sorts of children’s death and suffering. Don’t believe me look it up on TH-cam and find the horrible video… 😢
I avoided spoilers for many years for this?? Many people said what happened was extreme but instead, it was very dissapointing
If they dont want the book’s version of what blood threatens jaehaerys’ twin with, then they could just substitute it with threatening to kill both sons if haelaena does not decide. Then to spare maelor’s life. Because telling maelor about haelaenas preference is 50% of the significance of the event. But i guess the child actor’s parents dont give the permission for their son to experience trauma even though it is acting
Small children have laws regarding that, especially because they are too young to understand the difference between acting and the real world. BUT you can just creativly cut things so the kid doesn't hear it. That's always an option. Small children in general are only in few shots because they have only very short work hours and that's why they tend to get cut out of as many shots as possible, why not make use of that.
people keep saying that the importance of the scene is that maelor is chosen to die as if it was a important thing to the characters when it really isn't. Helena commits sucide after the red keep is caught, and the next time we see Maelor, we see him trying to get away with a kingsguard and get killed anywya. There is NO discussion about the kid's mental state or whether he no longer liked his mother, it was just GRMM being edgy by having the evil assassins be evil assassins.
@@stevenhedge2850 i forget why he tries to leave? Is it he is restless due to trauma and runs into trouble instead of staying withing the safety of red keep? And why did helaena gave up living? Is it because of guilt? Because if yes, then it does matter what BC did to maelor, to wit, it destroyed both candidates to aegon ii’s thrones and the progenitor, greatly diminishing the chance of aegon ii’s line continuing
@@SomeUserk nope no trauma at least not from blood and cheese. he left because the blacks took over king's landing and Larys sent the kids away with the kingsguard to try to reach to saftey. The kinguard with Maelor gets found out by commoners, and they kill him and Maelor. Helenea commits suicide after the red keep is taken, but we are never told why she did it, though there are whispers that the blacks had her killed, whispers probably caused by Larys strong to cause trouble. For all we know, Larys strong had her killed to cause trouble. meaning both were just victims of circumstance than actaul characters
@@stevenhedge2850 well either way sowing discord in a family is a good strat to undermine it. And the show’s halaena just pointing at firstborn son without much struggle is susceptible to criticism that it makes no sense, is too easy, or that daemon’s vengeance has plot armor. The book’s version of how halaena tries to preserve the firstborn for the future of her house makes more sense
y’all quick with it lol
I think with the ommission of the third child this was well done...the absolute terror is felt and the echos of it can be felt...choosing to delete characters has been a big got problem from the beginning so knowing that and seeing it come to life still hit home in a terrifying way showing that gore may not be necessary to truly shock and hold our memory hostage
HBO Should have grown a pair and allowed them to do the scene as it warls in the book.
Blame sara hess for diluting this show.
How exactly is the second book called?
I tried to find it and buy it but not sure if I will order the right one. Can someone help me ,please?
You don't see it, but you here it
"The Boy". So was he a decoy or her actual son? I get it.. Dance of the Dragons is told by a third person source, but the liberties that the writers take haven't made anything better as of yet. I'm able to overlook their take on events only due to how interesting the story is.
Which may mean one, or both, of the twins are still alive. And if it was the male twin that was 'sacrificed', then the female is still alive...
Book and show are compeltly different canons, they have completly different timelines. In the book Jaehaerys is very dead.
@@TemariNaraannaschatz obviously
I've been hearing about "Cheese and blood" since season 1, not having read the book I had no idea what it was but I knew it should have been a shocking scene.
After watching the episode I didn't even realize this was supposed to be that scene, that's how bad they portrayed it
No maelor means no bitter bridge and conveniently, no sending a kids severed head to Rhaenyra?
No nettles, conveniently means no Rhaenyra asking for Nettles to be killed and her head sent to her?
Seems like they've cutt everything that makes yaas qween look bad
I am reading a lot of the comments and I'm shocked that everyone is forgetting one fact about the show. The show is the true telling of the story and the book is based on hear-say which in fact George stated as such before season 1 aired. Everything in the show is supposed to be different on how events went down in the books. Plus, if you think about it more deeply the tragedy of Blood & Cheese was more impactful in the show than it was in the book. It also makes more sense in the show than in the books.