Modern PC Gaming on a CRT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- CRT's are fabulous, mighty creatures that remind us of a simpler time.
But can they offer the modern PC gamer benefits today?
Their fast refresh rates, and instant response times make twitchy FPS titles more enjoyable- and their blacks are to die for.
-- THE FLICKERING, is only generated by my silly camera and in real life, is not present at all.
To test, we are using a Sony Multiscan GDM-500PS Trinitron Monitor and a few of my favourite PC titles such as Chivalry Medieval Warfare, Left 4 Dead 2, Minecraft, GTA V and CS:GO
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GHG ep28
I feel like I'm watching a wildlife documentary
damn wasnt expecting to find you here
you are watching a wild life documentary the wild life documentary of the CRT lol can you imagine how games would look on it with Ray tracing?
Lol wtf are you doing here
How the fuck did you make me want a CRT??
IKR XD
I want a CRT and still, they last ages
I know right!!!? I love this channel with a passion
yet they fked the eyes so hard after long hrs and not shrpness specially on letters...
If you really want a big, high-refresh CRT, look for the HP p1230. It has pretty much the same guts as the Sony presented above, but it can do much higher resolutions and refresh rates.(h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c00355202)
I have one of these beasts and it can do 2048x1536 at 85Hz. Or if you find that resolution is too high, it can do 1600x1200 at 120 Hz!
The only downside (not mentioned in the video, BTW) is that it uses about as much power as a gaming PC. And after about an hour of staring into it you'll want to gouge your eyes out. But the insane refresh rate is totally worth it.
Playing Runescape on a 15'' Sony Triniton and Pentium 4.......................
*good old times*
+Marco Martins Computer spontaneously combusts...
***** don't make me go get my rune scimitar
that's a warning :p
Marco Martins imao ;)
+Marco Martins i really doubt it's only 15 inches
Paulo Kunze it's true lol it looked like this www.i.baraholka.com.ru/files/1/1/1165633.jpg
it's 15'' but only about 14" of viewable area they were measured different from today, nowadays the size it's the real size of the screen (viewable area)
I didn't realize how much I missed the sound of a CRT turning on
Those were the days. I thought the same thing
"twoing...!"
haha those were indeed the days! Don't forget that lovely noise you'd hear signing into dial-up!
HaHa, the dial tone and right after, you got mail :)
I forgot that sound... now I miss it.
I have an old neighbor that has a CRT screen and a 200$ itx pc. he plays hunting games at like 15 fps and think it is "Smooth as butter".... he also thinks that paying over 200$ for a PC is dumb and that His pc is strong as hell..... I facepalm so hard sometimes i hurt myself...
If he's happy with the experience, who gives a shit?
tobsmonster2
yea he damn makes me laugh a lot..
Lol, so he's filling in the missing frames with his imagination?
Dude xD :^)
Lmao xD
This channel might be small, and it doesn't have the linustechtips overkill. But it makes up for it by giving the most entertaining nostalgic videos.
From Philippines with love.
Kumusta ka?
filam LOL
Kirito?
+|Celsius| yeah?
+Nasanieru Karaki I'm certainly not american.
+Neetoryu Kun
Linustechtips is nVidiapro and hates Linux, my big question is what the fuck is techy about him?
The fact that he has expensive computers that serve no other purposes than compensating for something in your pants?
I love ghgtv , I fucking love it, Im glad that I found this channel
Where the hell is ur profile picture from? A fanmade thing or something?
+Okmo Baht what a beautiful combination. Match made in heaven.
+SegaDaniel I know the feeling. I stumbled upon this channel recently and have been digging through the archives. Very good work.
+SegaDaniel quote. can't live without it
+SegaDaniel This is literally all of us, I skipped school when I found his channel and watched all his videos throughout the whole day. This guy produces amazing content
**melee players cross their arms and nod**
amen, amen
I see we have some melee players ayyy
maylay bois
GlowBox Don't forget speedrunners.
But keep in mind that melee players typically play on consumer TVs that use 480i, not progressive scan like PC monitors use. If Melee players wanted to evolve further they could use component-to-VGA output from a Wii and hook it up to a CRT PC moinitor.
CRTs are great until you have to move.
They were great to throw at zombies.
hah lol i know your pain i had 4 of the damn things!!!!
XD god i love what people are saying about these things in this comments page!!!! lol you could literally kill a pro wrestler with one!!!!
Melee players understand
Best comment!
watching this on my CRT
TheBcoolGuy yeah I love that effect.
TheBcoolGuy why?
MrBluePoochyena well, I love retro technology. I don't even have nostalgia for it. I for some reason love things from the 90s and under.
The Jiro Network how do you connect the crt with the gpu? my gpu has dvi dual link, hdmi and 2mini display ports....i dont know ho to connect it with the crt...pls give me an advice
Michael Jhonny Well the CRT probably has a VGA cable on it so you can just buy a VGA to mini display, hdmi, or whatever. Just look up on amazon or eBay, HDMI to VGA adapter. or Mini display to VGA adapter. I am actually using a mini display to VGA adapter right now for my CRT.
CRT technology is still superior to LCD and Plasma in a number of ways. The fact it can handle a multitude of resolutions without any form of upscaling needed, the complete lack of input latency and on top of that it has perfect motion resolution. Talk about perfect gaming tech.
The drawback is the size, weight, life span and price to manufacture which is why it was ditched for the cheaper LCD tech. Only now since around 2014 companies like Sony are catching up to CRT technology with super low latency panels coupled to BFI strobing technology offering some of the benefits of the mighty CRT.
+cloudskipa I agree with everything you said but life span? CRT's I've found have had far better life spans than any flatscreen, the ability to be repaired if a CRT fails is better than any flatscreen I've seen
Sony Trinitron Well from my own experience I've found CRT to have a poor lifespan overall, there's a lot of things that can degrade due to the magnetism (if you don't have a degause function) so picture quality and geometry also suffers over time. They can also be quite volatile and I've known a few poeple who have had their tube implode and catch fire to the house. I've really only owned mid to higher end LCD and I would say flourescent backlight is on par with a tube for lifespan but LED edge or backlit is far superior.
+cloudskipa don't forget colour uniformity/viewing angles! :D
sinephase Very true! and still a problem for many non-IPS LCD used today. One of the biggest issues is still backlight bleeding especially from LED edge lit LCD and a certain amount of clouding and imperfect light uniformity is considered "normal" even on high end sets. It's sad what's happened really, first CRT then Plasma.
*****
even IPS doesn't have the same uniformity and viewing angles like a CRT does
I know quite a few graphic artists who still insist on using CRT monitors as the colours are more accurate than LCD/LED screens.
(Though I think they're about 98% accurate as of 2016 - enough that the human eye cant distinguish)
Nice channel mate! Everyone keeps telling me to come check it out, I certainly wasn't disappointed. Subbed.
+Tech YES City YO, i didn't expect to see you here!
Its a delight knowing another awesome youtuber watches another epic youtuber
+MUSiCK what the fuck is up with all these seductive pokemon on TH-cam nowadays?
Cpt. Swag Cat as in that guy on youtube named John Pablo?..
Yeah..i'm not trying to be that guy..
my profile image isn't remotely seductive, its just really an angry Gardevoir
+MUSiCK i'm tired, and due to a recent past experience any Gardevoir I witness will be atleast 'remotely seductive'
that incident makes me shiver... And how they tried to justify there points.... ergh...
Cpt. Swag Cat oh boy..i can really understand where your coming from, honestly it annoys me for the type of images they end up using and as you said..they try to 'justify there points'
You just made me go dig through my closet to hook up a CRT monitor to a GTX 1070 lol
lmao
Bubu Well the screen bulges out a little so the image looks a bit distorted compared to a flat screen. I also have to admit my eyes hurt after staring at it for a long time, it feels like it flickers light into my eyes. The good thing though is i was able to run my games at 85 hertz instead of 60, which looked kinda smoother but just isnt worth it imo. If hertz and response time is what's important to you then just get a 144 Hz G-Sync monitor.
TheBcoolGuy There are adapters for DVI-D and DVI-I which converts them to VGA
TheBcoolGuy You can get one on Amazon for less than $15 lol
TheBcoolGuy Well they worked with me, doofus.
It's an update from a mac
true
what do you have against macs?
maccollectorZ I know u are a very unbiased source considering ur name
My roommates and I have a CRT for the living room of, it's the only monitor we have and it is beautiful, 19 inches and what feels like 50lbs of pure beauty
Whoops pc*
+Willis “Armitage” Corto yes lol, but since this comment we've acquired two more crts for the purpose of console gaming. Found them on the side of the road for free and since none of us care much about HD or watch tv, they work completely fine for us. The only downside was I had to carry both of them
+Willis “Armitage” Corto haha, no worries dude. That sounds rad as hell
+cofi 41 you just made my day sir
I wish my old CRT didn't die. Loved that thing.
+EMPiiRE™ There are plenty more you can get second hand for free!
+Sony Trinitron For example, I loved my own one very much and now I don't really think there still are such to find. Spent my whole childhood in front of my 17'' NEC Multisync... Good old times
+Sony Trinitron Haha hey i see you all over on CRT related videos!
Shark Record Films Yep, CRT's are my passion, so much of my passion that I've got several CRT's in a collection and getting more (older CRT's only or anything interesting)
Sony Trinitron I have a passion for them too, as well as a small collection that I try to make videos about but never get the time.
We can sit here and laugh at CRTs and VGA but we must remember that the image that we see on our modern equipment is all analog. CRTs are analog and their VGA interface is the highest quality RGB analog video source in existence. We must respect the purity of this old technology and where it has brought us to this day. Right now I'm typing this on a PC with only a 1080P G-Sync display that can't touch the resolution or black-levels of this decades old Sony Trinitron. Sad...
but hdmi is digital
I got a CRT to play some games on it and even CSGO works finr in 160hz at 1024*768
@@ManOfAttitudeLP1998 i might be a liiittle bit late but do you mind telling me which monitor you were speaking about?
@@scruffex3736 It was a HP P1130
I actually still have one of these tucked away in a cuoboard, like trying to pick up Thor's hammer
LOL, I have a 36inch CRT TV in my bedroom that is so heavy I cant even move it. I think it will sit there for eternity.
I have a Sony Wega about 27 inches and its also sitting in the same spot those feel like 400 pounds for some reason
you clearly not worthy of wielding such power .
+mark rossi Yeah I've got one of those beasts, it's ridiculous. Awesome for old consoles though!
But if you put it on an elevator
Damn... Even the CRT is better than Mac Monitors
EDIT: Holy crap 303 likes....
What are you talking about, the display and the os are the only good thing of a mac
you don't even get a full apple you get a bit one
You can get 32" 4k monitor for PC that should be better than any of the mac displays.
Macs use lg panels which you can find for PC, not only that, Eizo for instance has professional monitors that are a lot better for color depth and calibrated accuracy.
Thad A. lol it was a joke, but thanks.. didn't know that....
When you turn it on its like a saab advert!
+WhyWePlayTruckSims what sound was he talking about?
+William “Billden55” Burgoon Also the CRT clicks when you turn it on
+WhyWePlayTruckSims remember that like it was yesterday
+Wyatt James Yeah, those lcd/led are just too clean and boring, no character
WhyWePlayTruckSims ok so i set up my old laptop and crt because i have a vga port on my old laptop. But the laptop is slow AF and won'd boot quickly to save its life.
People think the old farts are just being negative about the technology of today, but CRT's were truely superior, in nearly every way, except how easy it is on the eyes. For office workers, LCD's were a blessing, no more 60hz flicker headaches. Of course, CRT's addressed that issue with a higher refresh rate, and THIS is the exact reasoning behind the refresh rate craze, and why more was always better. Most good CRT's were 85-120hz, since a lot of people had problems with 60hz flicker. Response time on CRT's is decided by the length of the monitor cable, and is basically 0. The colors depend heavily on the monitor, but CRT's have a natural problem with their brightness fading over time. So most CRT's you find today suffer from tube age, and are not very bright, causing dark scenes to be a problem. Dimming brightness is solely an issue with the ceasing of manufacturing of CRT monitors tho, since when they begin dimming, it was normally time to replace them.
+Richard Smith Exactly the issue with mine. I need to amplify the RGB signals one way or another to get a proper gamma (and brightness) off of my LG T710PU. I'm very sad about it and there's unfortunately nothing much I can do about it... Maybe replace the flyback but that wouldn't help against aging of the tube itself, and most of CRT production has ceased around 2011. I know Sony still makes some CRTs, but those are for hospitals and they're more like PVMs rather than computer monitors.
xan1242 CRTs fade because of the phosphors on the screen burning out. Knowing the reason doesn't really instill much hope in fixing it.
Richard Smith Yea I know. I'm not sure about oscilloscopes, are they still being made with CRTs as well or are they now made with LCDs? (not counting ones you plug in your computer etc.)
xan1242 Modern oscilloscopes are LCD as well.
***** The issue with phosphers was not an issue in the absorption to emission time, but the decay time of the emission. This could cause ghosting and color bleeding.
It was the off time which had a potential for delay, not the on time.
I pointed out the cable length was the bottleneck in jest, to point out that response time was not even a consideration. That was meant as a joke. It was a non-issue.
The issue comes in due to digital decoding, which although does allow for precise pixel perfect pictures, it introduces inherit latency since those signals must be processed.
My dad bought that same monitor back in 1999. At the time, it was the biggest computer monitor I had ever seen. :P
Some game out there actually utilize the CRT monitor as a identity. Like Silent Hill 2 that looks much more better in CRT, and cannot be replicated on LCD monitor
True dat
These days when people make indie games with retro aesthetics they are really so far from truth. what might look like pixel art on modern monitors looks fabulous on old crt s as they were made to utilize the blurring between pixels to create shades.
Not if you run an emulator.
Postal 2 with the correct resolution looks astonishing on the CRT it was built on compared to modern LED or LCD screens.
Older PC games look better on CRT. Games like Icewind Dale, Planscape Torment, Quake...
How dare you make me feel old lol
How dare you grow old!
will dares ever grow old?
Just let the VTEC kick in already!
+MaxiviczGames my thoughts exactly
+MaxiviczGames his civic is one without a vtec motor
+Okmo Baht VTEC and rice are mutually exclusive, just some idiots add rice to vtec and it all goes downhill
Reid Evers I like my rice in a bowl, not in my car.
+Michael Galbraith exactly
I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic during the pros. Even so, I still want one. I use a CRT TV to play my Xbox360 and it's simply fabulous when playing shooters.
CRT have almost instant response time so I don't think he's joking and the colors are actually more accurate in a CRT since they are analog
CRTs actually have a ridiculously low response time compared to LCDs. LCDs typically have a few milliseconds of delay, whereas CRTs have around one nanosecond. CRTs also typically have a higher refresh rate than LCDs.
After watching his content for years, he is not being sarcastic. He enjoys the older tech and that's his tone.
that's the problem with modern gaming, there's too much input lag
Sounds like a classic case of
1-800-git-good
my floppy disk can run 4k better than ps4 pro
Krish Lius floppy disk is a storage device...
***** exactly
PS4 pro doesn't even support 4K
Of course it does
Thats actually its main purpose.
I met artists who still use CRT because of the color reproduction is more faithful to what they'll get when printing something.
ips..
While this is true it takes the right calibration and a little upkeep to keep it that way.
TN displays are often targeted towards gamers because of their faster response time compared to IPS. It's easier to produce a 120hz TN panel than a 120hz IPS panel.
Nokia is Finnish i'm proud to be a Finnish person :3
i know fucking microsoft ruined it :(
I have never owned an LCD, I'm still using a 19" CRT and it's great. Just make sure the colors are calibrated and the geometry is all worked out for each resolution. I'll upgrade when I can get reasonable priced ($300) 27-30" 1440p high refresh OLED.
1400x1050@85hz is a good resolution for 19". Sometimes I run 1600x1200@75hz or lower resolutions at 100 or 140hz.
I'm actually currently using a Sony Trinitron 520GS as my main (out of four) monitor! I watched this video on it! Heh, it can do 1600 x 1200 at 75Hz, so it's very nice for games. And since my other three monitors are old dell flatpanels with ghosting and bad response time, this Trinitron is perfect for gaming on the cheap. (Did I mention it was free?)
Real men use monochrome CRT monitors!
loooooooooooool u just made everyone 20 years or older want a CRT
As someone who grew up at the time CRT's and VCR's turned into fat screens and DVDs, I still want one.
no.
*heavy melee breathing*
I'm 18 and wanted one before I watched this video. The response time...
I have one but I don't have the drive to set it up lol. I do want to see if I am better on CS:GO though lol.
This is probably the most concise and accurate review of playing on a C.R.T., vs a modern display, that I have seen. Great job!
Why do I hear your voice so low?
+GameCheetah it's not low, it's smoooooooth
+GameCheetah VTEC destroyed the mic
+Ivan x97 Hello my fellow petrolhead
+GameCheetah He's gone into ASMR mode.
+GameCheetah I much prefer this style as it reminds me of how TV and video used to be pre-2000, before the current modern videos where people shout and bawl in a constant stream of words, fired into your ears like a machine gun while cheap vulgar moronic music is pounded at your senses? The mute button is the most used button on any remote control I use, and that can become tiresome. So I now use a good compressor / limiter to tame the overly aggressive audio on most broadcasts.
WTF i am still using a CRT and am banging it every minute so it would stop flickereing :D
dont do that, let it get fixed or the next things to be fixed will be your eyes, dont become like me^^
Get new monitor and throw the old one away. It hurts your eyes and you dont even know how much.
maybe you are right. my eyes have been a little sore lately.
Just put a neodyme magnet on it. It will fix everything
Yeah rite 😂😂. Recently i bought a vr headset and it came with a magnet. So i was playing with it and when it came near the crt it made wierd patterns. So being an idiot i waved it all aroung and i had blue green patches ALL OVER the screen.
I want a crt for the old stuff, I can live with using an LCD for Fallout 4 and GTA 5 but I want a CRT for old games, games from back in the day before LCD's, CRT's can do lower resolutions without the huge blur that LCD's do
Then just get one. I youd send out my 19" from my basement, buut is so heavy I'm not even interested in moving it up here.
So the 17" has to do it :D
HappyBeezerStudios Problem is that where I live in Canada its pretty hard to find a tube screen at all, all I see on local classifieds like Kijiji are expensive as f*** monitors, and while I would love to have a 24 inch professional grade CRT for gaming, 2000 dollars is kinda bit too much for me even if I had a job.
Good old Sony GDM-FW900.
Sadly I never had one.
But there is one for a grand on ebay currently.
HappyBeezerStudios Yeah, I don't have that kinda money laying around. I guess I'll have to stick with my 21 inch ASUS for a little while longer.
I havent found a single 144 Hz 1440p IPS panels with 0.05 ns response time.
this bring back alot of my first days of gaming on PC way back in the early 90's all the way up to the mid 2'000's
Him saying is "2016" made me realize it's been a while since I've remembered what's it like to be a kid. Damn I was starting my senior year of high school at the time. This video brought me back to a time of no worries for sure.
the bank in holland uses almost the same tune in their commercials 😂
wait it is the same
+Milan Daci link?
Rabobank MegaDJSlickRick
+Milan Daci I knew I recognized it from somewhere! Haha!
yep hahaha
Alright, someone needs to make sure I recover from the seizure watching this vid.
Which seizure?
Epilepsia
Ikr!? Quick tip for uploader: to counter this effect, you should slightly alter the frame rate of your recording device so it doesn't match the hZ of the monitor.
LucasAndAGuitar You know incest is illegal right? Nvm, you people love that shit. Yeee Hawww!!!
I like the narration style which is serene and rich in emotion.
Ask your wife, she knows better.
Don't think he has a wife.
I cannot ever think of the Hans Zimmee song without thinking of beautiful CRTs anymore
also they consume lot power.
Compared to what exactly?
an LED or LCD monitor obviously, the fuck?
right ;)
R. Frost True.
Not really. Under 40 watts for a 17" CRT Sony monitor I have. Under 80 watts for a 30" 16:9 HD CRT Toshiba. Both measured with a kill-a-watt power meter. Your PC likely uses more than both.
TRUE ROMANCE!!! love your use of music, also the kingdom hearts music you use. It's like we're the same person
My CRT lit on fire one day after about 10 years of use.
talk about overusing it , damn son
i still have a CRT from the 90's
LMAO i had the same thing happen to mine. Smoke just came out from top.
i had a little sony tv which did that when i was a kid no idea how old it was but screen flickered then when off and start hissing moments later it burst into flames! was very scary for me.
Can you speak a little quiter? My eardrums are exploding.
are you high ?
troy-grant Bèzuidenhout I was being sarcastic.
+gabrocki ok then ...
Yeah, the music was loud but his voice was super quiet.
dont use headphones then ? how hard could it be :)
Only issue is that the CRT will kill your eyes in short order...it keeps vibrating...annyoing...
You're wrong. What you're seeing in the video you don't actually see in person. It would certainly be annoying if it was noticeable, but it's only noticeable if recorded with certain cameras at certain frequencies such that they're out of sync.
reminds me of the times when the monitor was the heaviest and chunkiest part of the whole desktop setup... those were the days... the really really shitty days
old is gold
No way DOS was amazing and id still use it today if i could. C64 and Tape loading was Shitty agreed lol.
shitty days = monitors that last pretty much for ever...
yeah those where the good days...
haha
Did I see BNC RGB connectors on the back? I still have my first 17" CRT. ViewSonic with the BNC connectors. Though I never could find a cable for it when I wanted it, I understand it is supposed to make the picture that much better.
It is component YPbPr
You sure? I didn't check, but I think that might be RGBHV.
Just checked mine. It is RGB-HV for BNC.
I have an old high-end 17" IDEK Iiyama MF-5317 from 1992 (with max res of 1280x1024 in 1992? :D) and it has BNC RGB connectors and BNC-VGA cable. I haven't tested that monitor so I don't know if it works or not.
Now if only they made 16:9 CRTs... That’d be so cool as a lot of games are built for 16:9 these days...
Just Another TH-cam Channel there is the holy grail sony gdm fw900. If you can find it, of course :) not 16:9 but 16:10
Yeah but...
How many hdmi ports does it have?
LOL
Mine has 2 DVI ports, 1 BNC and 1 VGA... so 2.
i got mine hooked up to a converter, i love my old crt for its unique picture
Jakthehero33 Yeah but crt's always give me headaches when I watch something on them. I think it is because of the flickering.
No Name That's actually why they're so good at motion though. An image pulses brightly for brief period of time and then the phosphors dim until the next refresh.
This produces wonderfully natural motion, because the older an image is, the dimmer it is. Objects moving across the screen don't appear to be moving in stop-motion like they do on LCDs at refresh rates < 240 Hz ;)
I just wanted to say how much I love the production value of these videos. Amazing!
The average run-of-the-mill CRT had a color gamut and black level matched only by specialist LCD screens that cost thousands of dollars, and even those still don't have the same response time or smoothness.
U should try Xbox one on this monitor, there probably Will be no deference.
There's already one...
why?
Faster response time, no motion blur, and better contrast on a CRT monitor.
because I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda
Wooden PC will that be all?
im using a crt right now. it has 85hz refresh rate and thats sooooo smooth! i dont like using 60hz monitors now. just played a few hours of simcity (2013) on it at 1024x768 and another bonus is at that resolution it extends the life of the graphics card. but its only a 17" and its not widescreen so its good and bad. maybe crt's will make a comeback in the pc gaming market, i hope so. they might, lots of money to be made on the nostalgic gamers out there
Seeing this video in 2022. Now CRT are not cheap anymore...
this feels like a vid from the 90s so its still retro. love how it looks.
that sound of crt turning on made me cry a little bit , its amazing what nostalgia dose to you .
Although I am still a kid, I remember these monitors like yesterday
Me too. I used to go to lollypops play land (that place was the shit for 5 year olds in Australia) just to play ps2 on these screens
Livcus -
There was a internet cafe in Romania where I used to live and I used to play CS 1.6, which was good shit with friends, and it still is :D
I am in Romania too.
+Livcus - Oh man, I remember that place! The first time I ever played a game was there.
My dad owned an Internet Cafe! Just not in Romania, but he owned it back in the early 2000s, He had 12 computers there and each one had a CRT screen.
Is your favourite movie True Romance by any chance?
that's were the song is from! It sounded so familiar
yeah, you're so cool by Hans Zimmer, one of my favourites
One of my favorites too
Is it me or nobody else noted that his mouse pad is a paper towel
Prolly more like a piece of paper.
When the video started, I thought it was a car ad and I began freaking out because I couldn't skip it or even be notified to wait for it to finish.
Had a 21" sony until 2012. It was heavy as hell and nearly broke the top of my desk but had great image quality. However gaming on a 4:3 display would feel awkward now.
@@jjwarner9419 genius
Issues I have with CRT. Darker and hard to see, The annoying transistor noise or tube noise that some of us with sensitive hearing can hear. The weight of them. Lack of modern DVI-HDMI ports that most Graphics cards only come with. Price per month $20-40 hike in power bill.
darker and hard to see? CALIBRATE, first step of any monitor regardless of panel type should always be to properly calibrate... the other concerns are (mostly) valid, my last CRT was the quietest i owned but at times i could hear the noise especially if you pushed the resolution closer to it's 2048x1536 max, it was a boat anchor, only had VGA, and $20-40/mo is a stretch... but it did use considerably more juice and put out some warmth
The noise is actually from the HV Transformer, not the transistors LOL.
I think you might have had some bad experiences with CRTs ): I dug one out of my neighbor's trash pile and it's surprising bright and crisp for it's age. I don't use it for either of my main PCs, but when I get a windows 98 setup going I'll use it for that. You're right, not a lot of modern applications for CRTs, but if you want to go retro it's a lot easier to use a CRT for older systems.
Mark Wolf
Unless you're running a completely fanless system _and_ have the PC in a room that is isolated from other noise in the home (venting system, outside noise) there's no way that you'd notice any sort of hum. In fact, I've been to many quiet computer labs filled with CRTs and never noticed any monitor hum, nor any of the CRTs I've used at home.
Price per month is not such a large difference. It's like 60 watts more, and when factoring in that it's turned off when not in use, adds less total wattage. at 8 hours a day, and 10 cents per kilowatthour that's only $1.40 per month.
Video cards frequently come (or came, and hence can easily get adapters for cheap or free) with adapters to VGA, so that's not a problem either.
One of the only significant problems with CRT is their weight, but considering that they're almost never moved, I don't see how it's at all relevant unless going to a LAN party (and even in that case, they aren't too heavy to transport, as people used to do it all the time. There's also the option of just bringing a different monitor instead.).
you would need some serious fucking hearing to hear a crt monitor make that noise considerings its 31khz. You must be talking about crt tvs making that noise since its 15khz so pretty much everyone young adult can hear it.
CRT is not dead! ✌
never realized how much I underestimated these.
Reid Woodman Exactly. Being a good quality CRT especially in dynamic contrast, worth a lot and get superior performance to many LCD screens on the market today.
I have an Emachines CRT lying around, Max res is 1280x1024 and its response and color feels more lifelike then my current monitor....I should hook it up sometime and use it...
update: lost my DVI to VGA adapter....
+imapie4688 RYP
The Diamond Games yup ;-;
Aren't DVi/VGA Adapters cheap on their own?
SuperLemonadeGamer Well i dont really have the money to afford one lol even if its like 10$
I found mine btw so im good anyways
Damn, what a great choice of music for this video! I love True Romance and it's score!
I almost forgot how black look in a game; After hooking up and old CRT because of a LCD monitor failure I was completely blown away by the picture quality.
Geez, your channal has come a long way....can't wait to see the day where your in the big lead like LinusTechTips or JayzTwoCent, it would be the start of a new era of a hipsters saying 'I knew GHG before it was cool' ahaha
yes LOL that would be perfect, I'd be telling my little brother that
Watching this on a DELL 1024x768 CRT Monitor that I picked up for free...
Haha I got a CRT for only $5 at my local computer repair store!
Zcooger Second Channel Nice!
I think you mean 1920 by 1440? 1200 px would be strange on a 4:3 monitor.
Mshojat They were commonly in 1200px...
1920x1200 is a 16:10 monitor, Apple's monitors almost always have this aspect ratio
144hz 1ms response? hah, 85hz and
I remember coming home from school and playing Starcraft on my dads PC he had a big CRT monitor like this it was so awesome. I didn't realize how important response time and refresh rate's were in gaming until I recently got a new lcd with 144hz refresh rate and low response time. It's really a night and day difference.
Did it not bother you when you switched from CRT to LCD and seeing 60hz s&h?
i will never miss the fact that a CRT screen would take most of my desktop with barely enough space left for my keyboard and mouse, and i will also never miss how heavy they were, hell one has even split my desk in half after years of supporting their ridiculous weight.
SAAB background on a CRT monitor. You sick nihilist.
Love your channel! Keep up the good work!! I'm inspired
Many memories
I'm 30 yo and gaming was better on CRT ...when I switched to LCD I stopped gaming so much ...LCD have terrible viewing angles and color schifts
this video is a troll you dumb goose
why don't you try a proper lcd instead of the 80$ piece of crap from a thrift shop, dumbass
this made my day
Long story short - an expensive CRT is better than a cheap LCD. Which is pretty much immediately apparent.
Wait you are serious about the response times?
***** I did not know that. Wow interesting!
Still better tan a TN pannel
what lol
TN panels have the lowest response time and input lag of LCDs. Plus they look WAY better than CRTs
So my ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278Q is bad in your opinion?
Im pretty sure the ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278Q has 8bit color though and is actually better than cheaper ips panel monitors. And on top of that it destroys in terms of responstime! So saying that anything is better than a tn panel is pretty ignorant imo
Some gaming monitors have VA panels. Anyways I do not disagree with you man, I just found your inital comment ignorant. And nowhere did I see you point out that viewing angle, color rendition, color distortion was what you were basing it on. Because for gaming tn is absolutely not the worst option. In competitive gaming it is in fact the best and most used option.
As much of a joke this video might seen , on fast paced multiplayers crt is indeed better , today monitors response time sucks
btw 1600x1200 on a crt wtf?
My monitors response time is 1ms, i doubt that a monitor CRT can be much better.
I also have a 1ms response time monitor, and its 144 hz, and was under 400$ (there is nothing wrong with monitors today, just don't buy shitty ones, and wait for sales :P)
Douglas Alex
Good modern monitors have great response times. 1-4 ms is really good. Sure it's still thousands of times slower than a CRT, but that's irrelevant because the gap between one us and one ms isn't detectable to a human.
Modern LCDs also have better refresh rates, which makes for smoother gameplay.
I like my CRT, but LCDs have finally caught up to them as long as you have the cash to pay for good ones. (I got my CRT for free)
What do you mean by "1600x1200 WTF?". My CRT does 2048x1536 for the record.
+Mshojat Response time is a completely useless spec, used as a marketing.
What is important is for example pixel transition for all colors and signal delay; the real input lag(CRT has 0 signal delay, your typical IPS has about 30-40 ms), you can read more on the internet.
this channel is pretty spectacular tbh
it's really soothing to watch
For me this is nothing special ,i am from Serbia shity places in earth we are still behind like 15 years
here like 8 out of 10 ppl still have those monitors
and like dual core pc 2 gb ram etc ...
my pc is also 6 years old and for some reason i am still happy i can play new games LOL , i play on low 720p but i can play them ahaah
Whitt shity life and even more shity jobs and the worst paychecks , no wonder :P
I still cant afford PS 2 mannnnn
i never head ps 3 and i want to try it, ps 4 is out of question ,but happy that i have pc at list
MikiGameplays move..
PneumaticFrog i no
That is what my all friends did :/
But they all have a family member elsewhere somewhere ,but i don't ,so going alone in like new place and state don't no,scary and new language :P
lmao this comment
Try to find a xbox 360 and get pirate games on dvd.
You will enjoy it,trust me.
Greetings from Greece orthodox brother
MikiGameplays Wow you really need to move out of that place go to any English speaking countries (cause it seems you have decent English)
most decent modern LCD monitors have extremely low response time. like under 10ms.
My acer gaming monitor is only 1 ms (1/1000 of a second)
I doubt you would REALLY be able to tell the difference.
+dacasman It is impossible to tell from that low of a difference. And anyone that tells you they can tell.........are full of it. Just saying.
+dacasman You can 100% tell the difference between an LCD with a theoretical instant response time and a CRT simply because the LCD's pixel brightness doesn't falloff over time and this creates terrible motion artifacts unique to LCD. Sample-and-hold is the worst thing ever to happen to gaming. LCD was supposed to be a stop-gap technology before OLED or SED, but it has long outlived its welcome.
+dacasman I knew someone was gonna come along with some bullshit. :P
I knew some fool would come along with the old, 'theres a huge difference' speech. I don't recall the mass gaming population ever stopping mid game on their brand new lcd monitor and say, 'down with this sort of thing! There's a huge difference. Look when I move left, it very noticeably takes 1/1000 of a second longer for the response! We have been had! or sumfin like that. :O
Unfortunately just like the flat Earthers, these people exist.
Mikee Remastered Very funny. If you actually read what I wrote instead of being an ignorant jackass, you would understand why pixel response time is meaningless.
An OLED, which has pixel response time measured in nanoseconds is inherently no better than an LCD with a pixel response time of say 1 ms if they both sample-and-hold. You can reduce this number to 0 if you want and it doesn't change the real problem.
www.blurbusters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sampleandhold1.gif
On the left, is how motion behaves in the real-world. In the middle is how a low-persistence display (e.g. CRT, plasma, DLP) works and on the right is how LCD and most OLEDs currently on the market work.
And below, you can see the problem created by this stair-step motion:
www.blurbusters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sampleandhold2.gif
The only way to fix that problem is to jack refresh rate up much higher than it needs to be. Changing pixel response time does jack squat assuming it's less than 1/refresh rate.
MrGencyExit64 This response was amazing. Just what I expected. :O
Even got links and everythinks haha. Dude, i'm not going to your links. And it is mostly cos, I don't care. My lcd monitors are fine. I'm not some nutjob who shits himself over the smallest unnoticeable difference.
144>85
0ms < 1ms
True Romance
Serious Question: I hear that CRTs (depending on brand and quality control) usually last upwards of 15-20 years before the tube goes bad. Now it's next to impossible to find anyone who is willing to work on one. I want to know if there's some way to test a CRT to estimate how much longer it has to live? There's some really good CRTs I grabbed for free off Craigslist (Sony Trinitron Multiscan 200sx, the some-what decent Viewsonic Optiquest Q95 and a Gateway VX900) all of which I've restored via Retr0bright for days on end. My IBM G70 is starting to become more and more violent when turning on/off and I fear the worst has yet to come. How can I safely test and calculate how much longer these new monitors have before their demise? Otherwise, is there any safe haven left that still works and repairs CRTs? For the love of all things analog, who here can save them!?
Never again, I threw away the last one the day I bought an Eizo LCD, 10+ years of eye strain were more than enough!
"Minecraft feels smoother and more direct." God, I love this channel.
LOL, I remember paying hundreds for a SONY Trinitron monitor. Just a few years ago I tossed it into a dumpster. I hated to do it, but it wasn't worth selling and it took up way too much space. However, I always felt CRT had certain quality that was never quite matched on LCDs.
lol XD i used a CRT until 2013.
haha skrub, I used to play on an LG LED monitor, then our TV broke and it was replaced by that monitor. Now I use a Samsung Syncmaster CRT :D
Get a tripod and a fluid head. PLEASE!
+Vlad Pandele ikr
+Vlad Pandele I think the style of his videos are supposed to be goofy and have an unprofessional, home made feel :)
+Vlad Pandele "relaxed and goofy tech videos."
that's what this channel is all about.
***** It used to be quite shaky!
***** But sometimes he wants dat cinematic look. Aaaand it wasn't succesful...
Actually, i prefer Plasma VS Crt, it essentially has the same response time, it consumes about the same amount of power, and its weight is about the same, however, its typically sharper (a lot depending on the brand) and its FLAT, so.... it won't eat your desk.
I do have a CRT monitor from 2001, it still works well, the lights don't flicker or anything, there aren't any problems with it.
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.
A CRT may be better because they have better response times than LCD and can produce better blacks since they do not have a back-light. But to me, it is not worth the extra space and lower non-HD resolution.
Also, any monitor over 120 Hz is a waste of money because your eyes cannot detect the difference. 144 and 240 Hz monitors sell because the specs sound better on paper and manufacturers just use it as a way to justify the extra cost.
Reaction times have been repeatedly tested on different monitors of various refresh rates have been tested and greater refresh rates have been shown to decrease reaction time.
I do believe it starts to become extremely difficult at 200hz and above however.
non hd resolution? a midrange CRT around year 2000 (older too, but more into hirange) could do 1280x1024 with ease. Consider its 4:3 aspect ratio, is just shorter at sides than FHD because its shape.
I own a 2003 CRT on my main PC. its "non-hd" resolution is 2304x1440 80hz by stock and can be pushed up to 2560x1660 60hz! (it's a 16:10 monitor, Sony FW900 )
also, lowering resolution to 1600*1200, allows 120hz, so you can use active 3D with better performance than LCDs ""designed"" for such task.
My 19" does 2048x1536 that's just 52% more than 1920x1080 and stays just 17% behind 1440p
How is that "non-HD"
Actually switching for a 1080p LCD back in 2011 was a step back in terms of response time and resolution.
And the FW900 are some of the best monitors ever made ;)
It´s pretty hard, to SEE the difference between 120Hz and 144Hz (and above), when the image is displayed continuously. (A single image pop at eg 1/200 of a second is easily noticeable by many people.)
Nevertheless you can FEEL the difference between 120 and 144 - it feels much smoother and more responsiv. It´s even more obvious when you´re going back from 144Hz to 120Hz. The important thing here is that you have to be used for a short time, playing on high frequencies, and you´re fps keeps the pace.
The benefit of playing on high frequencies and fps might not be instantaneously obvious for most, especially people who have no experiences or even never played above 120Hz, but i´ts no marketing gag at all. It even was demanded from high grade gamers (not only "pro" gamers).
Modern LCDs are still better. Tired of seeing hipsters talking about CRTs.
You think only hipsters care about CRT? Go to literally any serious gaming tournament, and tell me what kind of screens they're playing on. As an analogue piece of tech, CRT still rules the roost when it comes to latency and response times.
Sam Sales Now a days all the gaming tournaments I've seen have been using LCD screens for many years now. When I go to LANs I'm like the only person there with a CRT.
Eck
It depends how modern you're talking. If you're buying an 8 Megapixel LCD screen that goes to 144 Hz, sure, but you're also going to be paying like $600-2000 for one.
I got my flat screen 3 Mpx CRT 8 years ago for free and it's worked great. It's only been in the past couple of years where the resolution and refresh rate have finally started to surpass CRT, but one has to dish out a ton of cash to get one still.
Mshojat ive never seen serious smash players not use a crt.
i'll pick 165hz monitor above your ugly CRT with better colors (ips) and 4ms which is more than enough
I keep rewatching this video just to relive the sensation
Congratz on 50K , love you channel, looking forward for your future content.