IODIS conspiracy theory: Our man here intentionally threw this game and submitted the complaint form all to get the Captain to say that Riley Reid sucks
So... it finally happened. I was wondering if at any point we would get to watch a mirror match in IODIS. Mostly cause it would be hilarious just to think about it. I still remember one game where someone complained "Protoss op" and the other player replied "You're protoss too". I can't wait to see what happens...
If you think some build is OP in a mirror matchup, then steal their build and use it against another player of the race. You can either win a lot with their build or your opponent will find it for you. I remember this advice is given by Harstem at some point.
@@MrMcMuggel Really? I'm pretty sure he said something along those lines in a random game where he lost to a build that he did not know how to counter. So next game he played that against MaxPax.
But muh pride! Seriously there's some problem with elitism in the game where people cripple themselves by not using "boring" or "unfair" units and tactics and complain about them. Heck, even Harstem HATES carriers, just because lategame with them is "boring".
For a bit of context to the opener, HesiJimbo is a well known cannon rusher on the NA ladder. He is also known to then go into proxy gateways, either once the cannon rush has killed the production or simply if his opponent blind countered him like in this game.
Phoenixs cost 100 extra gas and stargates also cost 150 extra gas and produce slower than warpgates. The way you stop this is to just never let them take a 3rd while you mass expand everywhere because you have 20 extra stalkers. This guy.... cut probes and got absurdly slow 3rd and turtled himself until his opponents got carriers out. WTF was he thinking
@@Figgy20000I don't think you can stop them from getting 3rd because you have to defend your mineral lines. You can expand faster than them though. Then just wait for a couple of archons maybe
Funny thing, I somehow remember that during the pre-patch balance debate Harstem said something along the line of ' Carriers are the one unit that should be nerved out of existence because carriers are boring and making them unplayable would improve the game experience for everybody,'
The heck, that was a free win. Just pull some probes and a zealot will take down the pylon before the 2nd zealot is out for him. Then just 4 gates all in. He even scouted the only production was a Stargate that hasn't even finish warping in.
In his defence, he might've thought that when he initially scouted and saw no Gateway, only the Stargate, there might be another proxied gateway, thus the need for a battery. Think about it, once that Gateway dies, it will take the tech tree down quite a bit, so either he hasn't rebuilt the gateway which is weird or he's rebuilt it elsewhere
Toss has an issue with specifically capital ships. Their best anti air unit most of the time is the phoenix. With proper micro and the range upgrade, it has a fine to good matchup with vikings, libs, mutas, corruptors, voids, banshees, medivacs, and even ground units that happen to be in the air for some reason. But because their attack is fast, low damage with a bonus vs. light, they do *terribly* against capital ships.
Protoss needs a straight buff to all units. P is easily 3-5% weaker than T & Z. how much better a protoss player has to be to earn the same rank is insane.
PvZ is far lesd problematic than terran rn, they literally dominate everything. They have the easiest upsets vs better players, the best maps, just overall the intern at blizzard hates non human races.
Whenever I see enemy Protoss going skytoss putting cannons up as a defense at his natural, I take my third immediately. If he puts up more than 5, I take my fourth, too.
"this is not a silver or a diamond or a gold or a platinum" "we're watching a high masters game, 4400MMR on the NA server, this is some of America's finest" This sounds like a contradiction. They're the same picture.
I love when Terran/Zerg players try to play Protoss in an attempt to show that it's overpowered, and just end up getting smashed by a meme build. Hilarious.
nice that the first stalker spent an eternity destryoing the warpgate instead of saving the zealots live, destroying the oponents zealot and take out as many probes as possible. game could've been over right there for real
I remember playing against a player who tried countering my proxy phoenix with stalker imortals. So when I came with an army of phoenix and stalkers against his army I simply lifted half the stalkers and killed them while blink microing the stalkers to survive the imortals. Then he wondered how I can win all the engagements. Bro, I just counter your imortals with phoenix and have had a bigger army since the first engagement. I'm just grinding at this point waiting for the big engagement.
Maybe he just wanted to show everyone his new and very creative nickname? PS: i did wonder about his picture of the terran teq tree, while complaining about pvp, even more! PS2: i think my next nick for this game should be gabbiecarter or lenapaul 🤔
I love the "turtle and make carriers" comment. I think he is complaining that his opponent is turteling while his opponent has been way more aggressive than he had been the past 5 minutes.
I think Harstem needs to try these IMBA strategies on "Cheesiest man alive" to actually prove his point. Proxy pylon and 2 gates into enemy natural, and if Harstem loses in the end, that's the definitive proof this guy sucks.
Honestly, if we're going to start revolutionizing IODIS, I think I could think of a few examples where I think I'M playing the IMBA race/strategy/unit. I have replays where I do everything wrong, negative micro so hard I go into imaginary micro, and still win. My opponent's out here microing their hearts out, ideal unit compositions, taking over the map, and lose.
The thing in iiodis is someone gets flamed for being bad and they know it when they submit, it's all in good fun and everyone knows what they're in for. When it's a stranger, that's off the table, & it's just being an asshole. So altho the concept could be funny it just wouldn't be nice. (If you know who you're playing against just ask them to submit to iiodis.)
@@wolfclaw3812In fairness, that's pretty easy to do. Putting those abilities on 'T' and 'Y' is a great example of why the standard hotkey layout sucks.
The guy producing teh stalkers should of been way ahead, he sees phoenixes adn the nsees a lot, I think its 12-14 stalkers... so a larger army push and attack, and I would go tech tree to archon... maybe some photon cannons, you always have recall, so there is never nto a reason to not be out on the map... and I have never seen anyone recall, phoenixes... in mass, lol... so... meh... The faster adn sooner you harass the protoss building phoenixes you punish their time gain by energy gain, PHoenix gains power over time and is capped out a bit after about a minute to viability, but if your opponenet is producing, baiting and get out gravity beams is great, and for exchanges, one ot one ratio of stalkers to phoenixes... the nexus, if going third definately should of gone before the gateways if that was the ultimate choice, but I htought he was going to push out, the best thing about pushing out is sure you might lose a few probes, but you ahve an army and can easily kill the same ammount or more probes of your enemy, so you will force him to defend at home, and he is limited ot how many probes he can ultamately kill, so you never worker trade with phoenixes with a army that has the potential to wipe you out. Its nto about aggression or defense, the bestl ogical choice, when the fleet came over would of been non stop towards the opponents line, and the two gateways and then warping in stalkers stalkers stalkers, etc. lol I think he could of won the game, he ad so much gas, so archons are great, but also feed back is great on phoenixes also. I agree with Harstems complaints... seems like a throw, over defensive when you have a unit scouting,, in the beginingm makes little sense... If you didn't have vision/scouting then I would forgive your nexus warpgate blunder as a means of oh shit I need ot cathcup and get ahead in eco... but meh...
Plat league players float thousands of resources and don't macro while controlling units or have sensible unit compositions. This is so obviously way higher level than plat.
@@mothrahlurker788 well having no eco and just building gates is no macro either. Having less stalkers than phoenixes with 8 gates is an accomplishment in and of itself.
can't you just base trade? they have no choice but to defend with phoenixes and stalker is more trade efficient then phoenixes. he should warp-in more stalker instead of warp-in third nexus and just attack. also, phoenix need energy to lift if he uses them to harass, he will have nothing to defend his base.
Why do I feel like some of these complaints are sent by the one who won just so they could see their opponent get roasted by Captain Harstem. seems sus
My guess rileyreid got his MMR from cannon rush cheese, because like Harstem said he plays low eco low unit production. He obviously has no experience past minutes 4-6 if his cannon rush doesn't work. Kudos to him for trying a new strat...
@@mothrahlurker788 that's how facetious humor works.... It was meant as an insult to his poor play and to all cannon rushers. Jokes aren't as funny when you have to explain them :*(
We both know it's easy to get to high master this is not the best NA has to offer. That's like saying high master is the best EU has to offer... we know it's no where near grandmaster level or pro level lol
IODIS conspiracy theory: Our man here intentionally threw this game and submitted the complaint form all to get the Captain to say that Riley Reid sucks
i did some research, and her sucking a lot was allready wellknown knowledge
For... Editing reasons?
Jimbo screws Riley Reid in a mirror after some NA nonsense. Phoenix enters and lifts probes. Then Jimbo carrier to finish on the mirror
wrr
Not onlAlso the comment about flipping over and getting the lube was pretty sus.
Decided to research that Rileyreid character, so I went to google and pressed I feel lucky. Thats the luckiest I've ever been.
i don’t get it. please explain joke to my dumb monkey brain
edit: oh
@@ZerglingLover oohhh
@@ZerglingLoverpronstaar
Does he suck too? :)
@@nef36 yeah, hamster’s “dont google it” got me to google it.
I know that the complaint was "turtle and make carriers" but Jimbo actually did devastating offense, twice.
Yeah... the opponent wasn't just sitting around.
@@gyppygirl2021 still the blue toss, kept suiciding his army.
@@ahuzel Hey, I'm not saying either player was good here. I'm just saying that one was better than the other. :p
So... it finally happened. I was wondering if at any point we would get to watch a mirror match in IODIS. Mostly cause it would be hilarious just to think about it.
I still remember one game where someone complained "Protoss op" and the other player replied "You're protoss too". I can't wait to see what happens...
If you think some build is OP in a mirror matchup, then steal their build and use it against another player of the race. You can either win a lot with their build or your opponent will find it for you. I remember this advice is given by Harstem at some point.
this makes a lot of sense, so its not very likely, that this advice is from harstem...
@@MrMcMuggel Really? I'm pretty sure he said something along those lines in a random game where he lost to a build that he did not know how to counter. So next game he played that against MaxPax.
But muh pride!
Seriously there's some problem with elitism in the game where people cripple themselves by not using "boring" or "unfair" units and tactics and complain about them. Heck, even Harstem HATES carriers, just because lategame with them is "boring".
@@jingxuanwang8674.... it was a joke dude chill
@@mickmccasker6401 Oh. My bad then.
Uses rileyreid as nickname and talks about rolling over and getting the lube. Love it!
I guess we're only two in this room dude. 😂
@@Gitalien1 She sucks for sure 😂
@@maffin1012 that would have been the perfect comment.
I'd like having seen it in the game...
Riley Reid sucks.
Hello fellow men of culture.
And now I gave you the 69th like. Poetic.
For a bit of context to the opener, HesiJimbo is a well known cannon rusher on the NA ladder. He is also known to then go into proxy gateways, either once the cannon rush has killed the production or simply if his opponent blind countered him like in this game.
Didn't expect Riley Reid to be a protoss, disgusting.
yo this IODIS slaps, the editing is top tier, its incredible how the editing NEVER falters *Crying happy emoji*
An IODIS tournament would be absolutely insane😂😂
"Do I suck?" Well, it's well established hat Riley Reid does suck.
Attacking with stalkers into a larger number of phoenixes is so painful
Phoenixs cost 100 extra gas and stargates also cost 150 extra gas and produce slower than warpgates. The way you stop this is to just never let them take a 3rd while you mass expand everywhere because you have 20 extra stalkers.
This guy.... cut probes and got absurdly slow 3rd and turtled himself until his opponents got carriers out. WTF was he thinking
@@Figgy20000I don't think you can stop them from getting 3rd because you have to defend your mineral lines. You can expand faster than them though. Then just wait for a couple of archons maybe
Toss has a 100% winrate against Toss.
time to nerf them I guess
What about the draws?
Using that logic Toss also has a 100% lossrate vs Toss
Draw. Huh
that is so imbalanced.
Funny thing, I somehow remember that during the pre-patch balance debate Harstem said something along the line of ' Carriers are the one unit that should be nerved out of existence because carriers are boring and making them unplayable would improve the game experience for everybody,'
Well to be fair, they got nerfed nearly emidiatly afterwards.
I'm convinced that the accountname is intentionally made to be funny when harstem says "you suck" xD
Saw the username and got scared I was on the wrong browser, nevertheless I am a simple man, I see Riley Reid on the video, I have to watch the video
19:57 - That's also a perfectly valid statement, considering the nickname 😂
I Googled "roll over and get the lube + Riley Reid" to understand the joke and now my mom won't let me use the computer?? Captain, please help!
And here I was sure the first mirror matchup complaint would be bio vs. mech terran.
@16:00 I agree. That would be a great idea!
YES FINALLY A MIRROR MATCHUP
dude saw no warp gate and decided that he was just really slow rather than realizing he is going into air right away.
0:49 are you slow lol. she saw the stargate which is why she went blink.
I would watch the judges judge carrier responses. Sounds like a fantastic time.
The heck, that was a free win. Just pull some probes and a zealot will take down the pylon before the 2nd zealot is out for him. Then just 4 gates all in. He even scouted the only production was a Stargate that hasn't even finish warping in.
Yeah I don't know why he didn't just push out instead of going forge and battery
Didn't know that IODIS was doing a crossover with Mandingo but OK
In his defence, he might've thought that when he initially scouted and saw no Gateway, only the Stargate, there might be another proxied gateway, thus the need for a battery. Think about it, once that Gateway dies, it will take the tech tree down quite a bit, so either he hasn't rebuilt the gateway which is weird or he's rebuilt it elsewhere
I think we will not find better sucker in these iiiodis episodes than riley reid 😂
I do notice that Protoss have won 100% of my PvP matches, demonstrating that Protoss are in fact beyond question OP.
Why does a PVP mirror match have the Terran tech tree shown on the form? 😂
Maybe mains Terran?
@@MichaelLewis-fx8eq hamster does the illustrations
Hamster forgot to update the sketch
So Toss's best "anti air" unit is the archon and the tempest, imagine that ... I think toss sucks when it comes to anti-air.
Toss has an issue with specifically capital ships. Their best anti air unit most of the time is the phoenix. With proper micro and the range upgrade, it has a fine to good matchup with vikings, libs, mutas, corruptors, voids, banshees, medivacs, and even ground units that happen to be in the air for some reason. But because their attack is fast, low damage with a bonus vs. light, they do *terribly* against capital ships.
@@TriangleChloros Toss hardcounters capital ships with sufficient blink stalker counts. Tempest also hardcounter capital ships.
He may have lost the game, but he won the gateway count battle, so who truely lost in the end?
It was a moral victory
Yes! I have been waiting for this!!
I was chuckling as this one came on screen. Popcorn, please!!
I thought this had to be about Terran mech. Wow.
My name actually is Riley and it was weird to hear my name said so much.😂
19:56 Now this is something I haven't heard in a while :D
Protoss needs a straight buff to all units. P is easily 3-5% weaker than T & Z. how much better a protoss player has to be to earn the same rank is insane.
PvZ is far lesd problematic than terran rn, they literally dominate everything. They have the easiest upsets vs better players, the best maps, just overall the intern at blizzard hates non human races.
They are especially weak in PvP. They always lose.
Came to the comments to see how many of them knew the name without googling it...i feel satisfied my friends, thank you lol
Whenever I see enemy Protoss going skytoss putting cannons up as a defense at his natural, I take my third immediately. If he puts up more than 5, I take my fourth, too.
I do appreciate the 8 gates and a 13 stalker army ^^'
We should have a tournament with all IODIS candidates.
Riley Reid is probably used to rolling over and lubing up.
19:55
Can confirm. Riley Reid does in fact... suck
Ok stuck on the ads before the video and going
Bwuh? 😂
This is going to be good 😮
I started laughing as soon as I saw the name
Can you explain your games after you play them the way you described that game at the end of the video? Like 1 minute, broad strokes download
"this is not a silver or a diamond or a gold or a platinum"
"we're watching a high masters game, 4400MMR on the NA server, this is some of America's finest"
This sounds like a contradiction.
They're the same picture.
"When your opponent attacks - defend! If he defends - expand. If he expands - attack!" - Artosis.
I love when Terran/Zerg players try to play Protoss in an attempt to show that it's overpowered, and just end up getting smashed by a meme build. Hilarious.
nice that the first stalker spent an eternity destryoing the warpgate instead of saving the zealots live, destroying the oponents zealot and take out as many probes as possible.
game could've been over right there for real
Yes, let's see a worst of the worst suck contest!!
I would love it if protoss could steal enemy toss structures if they repower it using their own pylon like how terran can steal add ons
Hard Stem analyzes Riley Reid
The Captain has officially made it, having finally had a famous actress submit an IIODIS complaint! 🤣🤣🤣
As a Hamster fan, MORE HAMSTER CONTENT!!
DOHHHHH !! I wanted to be the first one to submit a mirror match complaint!
4400 is high diamond low masters, not high masters.
16:00 I would totally watch that!!!!! :)
I remember playing against a player who tried countering my proxy phoenix with stalker imortals. So when I came with an army of phoenix and stalkers against his army I simply lifted half the stalkers and killed them while blink microing the stalkers to survive the imortals. Then he wondered how I can win all the engagements. Bro, I just counter your imortals with phoenix and have had a bigger army since the first engagement. I'm just grinding at this point waiting for the big engagement.
I’ve been waiting for this
I said Void rays were better than carriers. I think in this game one void ray did as much as all the carriers.
Maybe he just wanted to show everyone his new and very creative nickname?
PS: i did wonder about his picture of the terran teq tree, while complaining about pvp, even more!
PS2: i think my next nick for this game should be gabbiecarter or lenapaul 🤔
I would have to research this, but I am fairly certain that in the early days of IODIS, there already was a mirror match.
I love the "turtle and make carriers" comment. I think he is complaining that his opponent is turteling while his opponent has been way more aggressive than he had been the past 5 minutes.
I think Harstem needs to try these IMBA strategies on "Cheesiest man alive" to actually prove his point.
Proxy pylon and 2 gates into enemy natural, and if Harstem loses in the end, that's the definitive proof this guy sucks.
Finally time for a mirror map
hesiJimbo is a special guy
Ok so terran imba if i understand correctly ?
A little help to Hamster - do not google Riley Reid also...Although it is fun hearing Captain analyzing Riley Reid...
I wonder if Harstem actually has the Race Balance Regulation paragraphs 1-41
Yup... only a Protoss could submit the first IMBA mirror match 🤪😂
How bad did he really get it, if there’s lube? Just Saiyan…
phenix and templar can beat mass carrier idk
Everything about this is hilarious the name the game the complain eveythang
nice to see riley reid enjoying her retirement
Worst response wars.
Toss IMBA confirmed!
The hub has infiltrated SC2, was it always there though?
As a Terran, my worst matchup is Terran. TvT sucks and Terran is imba
Sounds like this was an I.D. 10-T error.
Honestly, if we're going to start revolutionizing IODIS, I think I could think of a few examples where I think I'M playing the IMBA race/strategy/unit. I have replays where I do everything wrong, negative micro so hard I go into imaginary micro, and still win. My opponent's out here microing their hearts out, ideal unit compositions, taking over the map, and lose.
You trying to humble brag is not something others want to watch.
@@mothrahlurker788 brother i hit the tactical jump button when i was trying to yamato
The thing in iiodis is someone gets flamed for being bad and they know it when they submit, it's all in good fun and everyone knows what they're in for. When it's a stranger, that's off the table, & it's just being an asshole.
So altho the concept could be funny it just wouldn't be nice.
(If you know who you're playing against just ask them to submit to iiodis.)
@@wolfclaw3812In fairness, that's pretty easy to do. Putting those abilities on 'T' and 'Y' is a great example of why the standard hotkey layout sucks.
During a few episodes you state that it is imba that the person survived as long as they did. Just declare that the complainer is imba
You can't complain about a balancing issue in a mirror match. It's a mirror match! It doesn't get more balanced.
The guy producing teh stalkers should of been way ahead, he sees phoenixes adn the nsees a lot, I think its 12-14 stalkers... so a larger army push and attack, and I would go tech tree to archon... maybe some photon cannons, you always have recall, so there is never nto a reason to not be out on the map... and I have never seen anyone recall, phoenixes... in mass, lol... so... meh... The faster adn sooner you harass the protoss building phoenixes you punish their time gain by energy gain, PHoenix gains power over time and is capped out a bit after about a minute to viability, but if your opponenet is producing, baiting and get out gravity beams is great, and for exchanges, one ot one ratio of stalkers to phoenixes... the nexus, if going third definately should of gone before the gateways if that was the ultimate choice, but I htought he was going to push out, the best thing about pushing out is sure you might lose a few probes, but you ahve an army and can easily kill the same ammount or more probes of your enemy, so you will force him to defend at home, and he is limited ot how many probes he can ultamately kill, so you never worker trade with phoenixes with a army that has the potential to wipe you out. Its nto about aggression or defense, the bestl ogical choice, when the fleet came over would of been non stop towards the opponents line, and the two gateways and then warping in stalkers stalkers stalkers, etc. lol I think he could of won the game, he ad so much gas, so archons are great, but also feed back is great on phoenixes also. I agree with Harstems complaints... seems like a throw, over defensive when you have a unit scouting,, in the beginingm makes little sense... If you didn't have vision/scouting then I would forgive your nexus warpgate blunder as a means of oh shit I need ot cathcup and get ahead in eco... but meh...
I'm very disappointed this wasn't framed as a Nerazim vs Khalai complaint to keep it lore accurate.
engagement
bro i thought this was a plat league game lmao
Master in NA soooooo...
Plat league players float thousands of resources and don't macro while controlling units or have sensible unit compositions. This is so obviously way higher level than plat.
@@mothrahlurker788 well having no eco and just building gates is no macro either. Having less stalkers than phoenixes with 8 gates is an accomplishment in and of itself.
you apparently are actually in NA plat league; do you think your games are like this?
can't you just base trade? they have no choice but to defend with phoenixes and stalker is more trade efficient then phoenixes.
he should warp-in more stalker instead of warp-in third nexus and just attack. also, phoenix need energy to lift if he uses them to harass, he will have nothing to defend his base.
Yeah, starcraft might not be her specialty. There was something else she was good at eh...
Why do I feel like some of these complaints are sent by the one who won just so they could see their opponent get roasted by Captain Harstem. seems sus
complains about turtling and does nothing for half the game XD
Harstem, Lube, and Reily Reid 🤔
didn't archon can't get lifted and can kill a lot of interceptors? 😂
just mass archon seems like a very simple way to go.
Unfortunate if the guy's name is actually Riley Reid
So, in this video Riley Reid sucks and gets destroyed hmmmm lol
My guess rileyreid got his MMR from cannon rush cheese, because like Harstem said he plays low eco low unit production. He obviously has no experience past minutes 4-6 if his cannon rush doesn't work. Kudos to him for trying a new strat...
There is no indication of him being a cannon rusher.
@@mothrahlurker788 that's how facetious humor works.... It was meant as an insult to his poor play and to all cannon rushers. Jokes aren't as funny when you have to explain them :*(
the complainer was rileyreid and talking about getting the lube. I don't think that's just a coincidence.
We both know it's easy to get to high master this is not the best NA has to offer. That's like saying high master is the best EU has to offer... we know it's no where near grandmaster level or pro level lol
You are the best SC2 content creator.
LMAO toss is op