Why didn't you show Thermostat connection? The unit I purchased has wires at top also, just like your unit? And by the way i had bacon with my eggs this morning for breakfast 😂
I had Bacon, Egg and Honey Butter Pillsbury Biscuits this morning. I don't recall the wiring but it was very simple from what i do remember, since it's only heat.
Blows my mind that this is sitting on a combustible surface. The floor in front of mine gets stupid hot, melted my plastic tote at 18” away. IMO, there should be 6” non-combustible spacer from the bottom of the unit to the floor. I am going to look into this… doesn’t seem right. (My furnace was installed by a pro)
Just read the installation guide, says clearly that the furnace may be installed directly on wood or concrete. Anything other than wood or concrete requires a wood or metal spacer.
you should do a video on combustion analysis. I had an old old old propane natural gas or propane unit like this one. It had live wires arching in the attic up above the unit. I never knew till I rewired my old aluminum wiring and put in a split unit heat pump. You made me better understand what I had thank you and going forward this will help if i ever run across one like this.
We have tons of them here. When I worked for the shop I used to work at we would get 4 hours for install. With flu. Lol great video. They do there job are good for burning kids hands.
Thanks for this. I have a Williams wall furnace that has the heat exchanger metal making a loud banging noise when the metal expands. Is that fixable? It sounds crazy but one person recommended hitting the metal with a hammer to dent it to stop the noise. Is that worth trying before I replace the whole thing? It's only about ten years old.
Steve, are you not allowed to use gas flexes in your area? Was wondering why you fabricated a gas connector rather than just using a store bought one? I put in quite a few of these during my career. Williams had trouble with heat exchangers cracking for a while, as they wanted to run a factory set and sealed gas pressure of 4” on natural. We used to turn them down to 3.5”. The fan driven wall furnaces were very noisy. Also, from what I recalled you cannot put a filter in them, so they just fill up with dirt and become a fire hazard if they are not kept clean. This draft safeguard safety switches gave lots of trouble when they came out. Williams had alot of defective ones. They were very sensitive to wind and down drafts at the flue cap. Lots of times when we had to extend the flue higher. They are very necessary though, to prevent products of combustion from spilling into the living space due to adverse conditions.
@@StephenRardon hey bub if I have a millivolt wall heater going bad and I replace it with a Williams will the blower work on the new heater with just my gas line, or do I need hard wired electricity.
A modification like that could be potentially life threatening and extremely dangerous if not fatal. As a home owner I would never do it and as a contractor I would be extremely concerned about the liability I would be taking on by modifying the equipment. IF I were considering it I wouldn’t proceed without reaching out to the manufacturer (who will probably tell you not to do it) to see if they had a kit or method of derating their appliance.
@@StephenRardon you are right. It is because I have heard of horror stories about fires. Thank you for taking me out of it because I wasn't sure. some times that unsure feeling just could be God's way of a warning. I was thinking about going with a smaller unit anyway I will just get another one from home depot. Thanks again and Happy new year to you and your family.
I'm replacing my wall heater with the same brand. I already ordered it. The one I'm replacing we had to have it repaired three times and is not reliable needless to say. My house is a 1962 house so I'm sure the heater is probably 1950s technology. Thank you so much for the video it's very helpful.
David how did your install go? Mine is supposed to be delivered today. It’s replacing the original unit in out 1964 home at 5,800ft elevation. From what I understand I need to buy different orifices for our high altitude but I’m wondering if there is anything else I need to know. Ours is a direct vent
i want to install one of these in a basement of a brick house with poured concrete foundation. i need to know exactly what height the vent needs to be, to determine if the project is feasible or not. anyone know where i can get a drawing, or know any measurements...?
Most manufacturers have information like that available on their website or you can call and request a cut sheet or installation manual if you can’t find one online.
I just had one installed. Seems like the fan never kicks on fully. Is this a setting they out in? Puts out a lot of heat but no noise from the fan like in the clip of it running
It’s been a long time since I played with this unit so I don’t recall details exactly but what I do recall is that there is a stacked sequencer in the blower wiring circuit that gave the fan two speeds. I adjusted the setup to only ever run the highest fan speed. The temperature rise and combustion test on it was pretty extreme from what I recall. I’m not a huge fan of the design personally.
Never installed one either. There around here but top popular. Only worked on a handfull of ancient ones. Guess its nice to know they are still available if one needed replacing. Nice job that gas line was a piece of art for sure
I was curious as to how to REMOVE this furnace that is direct vented outside? I may have to do some patch work to the sheet rock wall afterwards......smh :/
Some of the VERY old stuff could have been made of an asbestos fiber material but anything more recent would have only possibly been wrapped with something that might have asbestos in it.
Thanks for the video, I have looked at the smaller Williams wall furnace for a cabin with no power. Just saw a bunch of these at homedepot on the end of and isle with a bunch of yellow price tags because there all marked down, they have a 25,000 btu for $416 for that kind of money would you buy one?
Empire and Cozy also still make them. They are only about 65-70% efficient. There are high efficiency direct vent models, Rinnai makes them but they are very expensive. I had a wall heater like this in an apt I grew up in and it didn't heat all that well, most of the heat was at the ceiling while the floor was cold. Now, another apt I lived in had a '60s era Siegler gas stove with the radiant glass front. It was enameled steel and that thing was a beast, heated the whole 1200 sq. ft. apt nicely with radiant heat! My last year there the owner decided to replace it with a forced air furnace and ductwork at the ceiling. I told him leave the heater it's great, the heat again was as bad as the wall furnace.
Up here in NY, I've only seen these in cabins up in the Adirondacks. Definitely finger melters though. I remember brushing up against one when I was a kid at my family's cabin, never did that again!
I ran across one of this furnaces a month ago. I've never seen one before. I guess they are popular in what they call mill hill houses here in South Carolina. But they just had a bad t stat. But I didn't know they still made them. So thats good to know if I ever have to condemn one. I enjoyed the video. Later brother.
Installed 2 similar style williams wall furnaces, and within the first day they both overheated and the limit by the stack went out. adjusted the gas pressure down from 4.3 to 3.20 (due to altitude here in delta colorado) and the one has operated fine for a week but the other still blows the limit. The stack is oval for 2 feet then 4 "round b vent in the attic out the roof. This is the first time I have ever installed a wall furnace. Next time I have to replace a wall furnace I am going to go ahead and try a different brand, because I didnt care for this style furnace either.
Very nice. I’m pulling one out of my house and really was just looking for how you pulled it off the wall without destroying the Sheetrock. Music was cool, and being a homeowner I appreciated the non-complicated walkthrough of the system. It’s the second one in my house. It’s just as dirty as the one you pulled out.
If your boss schedules you to replace a heat exchanger in one of these wall furnaces. My advice is to cough and call in sick. I have never seen one yet that was clean. Dust magnets.... I do like the copper gas line, looks nicer than the flex. Good job.
Great and fun Video Stephen! I can't get over two things about Williams..... They know they are one of the only companies that still make wall furnaces. Most of them are installed in Mobile homes and places like you installed. You would think they had a per-order Propane version! And you would think by now they would have designed a filter system for these units! I just don't get it. I actually have a very old Williams built wall furnace in my garage. Of course I keep it clean. It was filthy when I bought the home. Don't know how it did not catch on fire because it was used every winter. It is built like a tank and I think it will last quite a few more years. Anyway....great video! I hate Propane by the way! I think it is a nasty fuel! Brent
You are very good. Will you come to Johnstown, PA to help me with a house that is 106 years old, has natural gas supplying it, but recent owners have not thought seriously about heating the house. There are two ventless stoves (about 40,000 btu/hr total) distributed over three floors! I want to replace one with a vented gas heater, and add a natural gas water heater (currently electric). You seem to understand the physics of it. I'm looking at a unit like you installed, or a "consol" Williams vented system, but they are not as efficient as the what you did.
Great video Stephen Rardon , absolutely love David Feherty "one". Could listen to that all day, extremely talented with that guitar... Huge thanks for the mention in your credits too BTW!!!
That is purdy
I have a similar design williams..Williams... thought our house was on fire... the wires where the snap disc's are were all melted.
That’s not good, I believe they could definitely manage to do some work with better performance and safety measures.
Fire insulation sleeve sounds good to shield from heat over time ....
Why didn't you show Thermostat connection?
The unit I purchased has wires at top also, just like your unit?
And by the way i had bacon with my eggs this morning for breakfast 😂
I had Bacon, Egg and Honey Butter Pillsbury Biscuits this morning. I don't recall the wiring but it was very simple from what i do remember, since it's only heat.
This video is every informative.
Blows my mind that this is sitting on a combustible surface. The floor in front of mine gets stupid hot, melted my plastic tote at 18” away. IMO, there should be 6” non-combustible spacer from the bottom of the unit to the floor.
I am going to look into this… doesn’t seem right. (My furnace was installed by a pro)
Just read the installation guide, says clearly that the furnace may be installed directly on wood or concrete. Anything other than wood or concrete requires a wood or metal spacer.
Thank you for sharing this Hvac show.
Glad you enjoyed it
You know what you’re doing, you got any body on west coast?
What size filter does this williams wall furnace take & where do i install it
I don't recall any sort of filter option but this was a long time ago
you should do a video on combustion analysis. I had an old old old propane natural gas or propane unit like this one. It had live wires arching in the attic up above the unit. I never knew till I rewired my old aluminum wiring and put in a split unit heat pump. You made me better understand what I had thank you and going forward this will help if i ever run across one like this.
We have tons of them here. When I worked for the shop I used to work at we would get 4 hours for install. With flu. Lol great video. They do there job are good for burning kids hands.
Yeah, the supply air actually came close to melting my Testo 510 manometer.
Oh crap!
Show time babe
There is no need for a sediment trap on the line?
Thanks for this. I have a Williams wall furnace that has the heat exchanger metal making a loud banging noise when the metal expands. Is that fixable? It sounds crazy but one person recommended hitting the metal with a hammer to dent it to stop the noise. Is that worth trying before I replace the whole thing? It's only about ten years old.
Great job.
Thanks for watching man
Cost for furnace and installation?
Excellent video. Where i could get the conversion kit?.
Thanks
Steve, are you not allowed to use gas flexes in your area? Was wondering why you fabricated a gas connector rather than just using a store bought one? I put in quite a few of these during my career. Williams had trouble with heat exchangers cracking for a while, as they wanted to run a factory set and sealed gas pressure of 4” on natural. We used to turn them down to 3.5”. The fan driven wall furnaces were very noisy. Also, from what I recalled you cannot put a filter in them, so they just fill up with dirt and become a fire hazard if they are not kept clean. This draft safeguard safety switches gave lots of trouble when they came out. Williams had alot of defective ones. They were very sensitive to wind and down drafts at the flue cap. Lots of times when we had to extend the flue higher. They are very necessary though, to prevent products of combustion from spilling into the living space due to adverse conditions.
Just didn’t have a short flex line and it was already copper not to mention that I wanted to play with the bender
Thanks for sharing Stephen, I learned a lot about wall furnaces. It's truly appreciated.
Thanks for watching Fidel Villarreal
@@StephenRardon hey bub if I have a millivolt wall heater going bad and I replace it with a Williams will the blower work on the new heater with just my gas line, or do I need hard wired electricity.
@@matt7iron you will need 120 volts to run the blower
Could you tell me if I could remove one of the burners on a double sided heater..? Would it harm anything I did.?
A modification like that could be potentially life threatening and extremely dangerous if not fatal. As a home owner I would never do it and as a contractor I would be extremely concerned about the liability I would be taking on by modifying the equipment. IF I were considering it I wouldn’t proceed without reaching out to the manufacturer (who will probably tell you not to do it) to see if they had a kit or method of derating their appliance.
@@StephenRardon you are right. It is because I have heard of horror stories about fires. Thank you for taking me out of it because I wasn't sure. some times that unsure feeling just could be God's way of a warning. I was thinking about going with a smaller unit anyway I will just get another one from home depot. Thanks again and Happy new year to you and your family.
Good install that was a first for me also. Is that a phone app that you were using to run the combustion test?
It's "TestoDroid" on the Google Play store.
So not on Iphone?
Not yet anyway
Stephen Rardon That sucks! good thing I have a droid tablet also.
I'm replacing my wall heater with the same brand. I already ordered it. The one I'm replacing we had to have it repaired three times and is not reliable needless to say. My house is a 1962 house so I'm sure the heater is probably 1950s technology. Thank you so much for the video it's very helpful.
thanks for watching and good luck with your project
David how did your install go? Mine is supposed to be delivered today. It’s replacing the original unit in out 1964 home at 5,800ft elevation. From what I understand I need to buy different orifices for our high altitude but I’m wondering if there is anything else I need to know. Ours is a direct vent
what was wrong with the old one?
I think the heat exchanger was failed Willie Peck don't recall for Certain though
Stephen Rardon oh.
i want to install one of these in a basement of a brick house with poured concrete foundation. i need to know exactly what height the vent needs to be, to determine if the project is feasible or not. anyone know where i can get a drawing, or know any measurements...?
Most manufacturers have information like that available on their website or you can call and request a cut sheet or installation manual if you can’t find one online.
Good video bud. Never got a call for a wall mount but now when I do I'll know the inside of them better!
They're pretty simple, obviously. Not
My favorite system to work on though since you might need a ladder just to work on that blower.
I just had one installed. Seems like the fan never kicks on fully. Is this a setting they out in? Puts out a lot of heat but no noise from the fan like in the clip of it running
It’s been a long time since I played with this unit so I don’t recall details exactly but what I do recall is that there is a stacked sequencer in the blower wiring circuit that gave the fan two speeds. I adjusted the setup to only ever run the highest fan speed. The temperature rise and combustion test on it was pretty extreme from what I recall. I’m not a huge fan of the design personally.
Never installed one either. There around here but top popular. Only worked on a handfull of ancient ones. Guess its nice to know they are still available if one needed replacing. Nice job that gas line was a piece of art for sure
Thanks for watching Awsom70
I was curious as to how to REMOVE this furnace that is direct vented outside? I may have to do some patch work to the sheet rock wall afterwards......smh :/
.......and to the cedar siding.
empire (1986?) type A vent
+A Wilkins I believe that to vent out horizontally it will have an elbow at the top
Would you tell us how much for this installation you typically charge? TIA.
I did not price or recall pricing on this install. I’d speculate somewhere upwards of $3000 or so
Thats a different unit. Never seen one. Thanks for showing it to us..
Thanks for watching Tecnico!
Nice Work Stephen
do you know if the exhaust pipes on old furnaces like the small floor or wall furnaces is made of asbestos?
Some of the VERY old stuff could have been made of an asbestos fiber material but anything more recent would have only possibly been wrapped with something that might have asbestos in it.
can someone please tell me where I can purchase this heater and it's model number.
jessicaannsoares home depot and Menards have them.
Thanks for the video, I have looked at the smaller Williams wall furnace for a cabin with no power. Just saw a bunch of these at homedepot on the end of and isle with a bunch of yellow price tags because there all marked down, they have a 25,000 btu for $416 for that kind of money would you buy one?
Are they the only company that actually makes these and why aren't these advertised more???
they're ridiculously inefficient +Leandrew Rowsey i was surprised you could still buy them!
Empire and Cozy also still make them. They are only about 65-70% efficient. There are high efficiency direct vent models, Rinnai makes them but they are very expensive. I had a wall heater like this in an apt I grew up in and it didn't heat all that well, most of the heat was at the ceiling while the floor was cold. Now, another apt I lived in had a '60s era Siegler gas stove with the radiant glass front. It was enameled steel and that thing was a beast, heated the whole 1200 sq. ft. apt nicely with radiant heat! My last year there the owner decided to replace it with a forced air furnace and ductwork at the ceiling. I told him leave the heater it's great, the heat again was as bad as the wall furnace.
Nicely done!
Que inteligente
Up here in NY, I've only seen these in cabins up in the Adirondacks. Definitely finger melters though. I remember brushing up against one when I was a kid at my family's cabin, never did that again!
I ran across one of this furnaces a month ago. I've never seen one before. I guess they are popular in what they call mill hill houses here in South Carolina. But they just had a bad t stat. But I didn't know they still made them. So thats good to know if I ever have to condemn one. I enjoyed the video. Later brother.
Thanks for watching and commenting Joey!
can someone please let me know where I can get this propane heater.
Good job bro.. I'm installing my first wall furnace tomorrow. Hopefully I don't run into issues. Lol
So, how did the install go for
You?
Installed 2 similar style williams wall furnaces, and within the first day they both overheated and the limit by the stack went out. adjusted the gas pressure down from 4.3 to 3.20 (due to altitude here in delta colorado) and the one has operated fine for a week but the other still blows the limit. The stack is oval for 2 feet then 4 "round b vent in the attic out the roof. This is the first time I have ever installed a wall furnace. Next time I have to replace a wall furnace I am going to go ahead and try a different brand, because I didnt care for this style furnace either.
good job and great job on gas line
Very nice. I’m pulling one out of my house and really was just looking for how you pulled it off the wall without destroying the Sheetrock. Music was cool, and being a homeowner I appreciated the non-complicated walkthrough of the system. It’s the second one in my house. It’s just as dirty as the one you pulled out.
Good Job Stephen! Haven't seen one of those around here.
Good job, and good narration. Not everyone can do both.
You are fine on the combustion those run high on stack temp because of their efficiency.
If your boss schedules you to replace a heat exchanger in one of these wall furnaces. My advice is to cough and call in sick. I have never seen one yet that was clean. Dust magnets.... I do like the copper gas line, looks nicer than the flex. Good job.
Great and fun Video Stephen!
I can't get over two things about Williams.....
They know they are one of the only companies that still make wall furnaces. Most of them are installed in Mobile homes and places like you installed. You would think they had a per-order Propane version! And you would think by now they would have designed a filter system for these units! I just don't get it.
I actually have a very old Williams built wall furnace in my garage. Of course I keep it clean. It was filthy when I bought the home. Don't know how it did not catch on fire because it was used every winter. It is built like a tank and I think it will last quite a few more years.
Anyway....great video!
I hate Propane by the way! I think it is a nasty fuel!
Brent
You are very good. Will you come to Johnstown, PA to help me with a house that is 106 years old, has natural gas supplying it, but recent owners have not thought seriously about heating the house. There are two ventless stoves (about 40,000 btu/hr total) distributed over three floors! I want to replace one with a vented gas heater, and add a natural gas water heater (currently electric). You seem to understand the physics of it. I'm looking at a unit like you installed, or a "consol" Williams vented system, but they are not as efficient as the what you did.
Nice install even tho Hunter was probably sitting down the street watching till you got
the hard part done ...lol ...great vid ...
@stephen Radon thanks for warning me i was just curious since less than a handfull of companies make them ... i was looking into a hybrid system
GREAT INSTALLATION SEEM THAT ALL THE HEAT GOES UP THE CHIMNEY
great install! lp gas some nasty stuff to run in gas furnaces.
from my unthstanding you were right with the williams wall system install
if the house burns down thay will call you, trust me.
Great video Stephen Rardon , absolutely love David Feherty "one". Could listen to that all day, extremely talented with that guitar... Huge thanks for the mention in your credits too BTW!!!
nice work! beats working in a damn crawl!
Wow Stephen it's nice to work out in the open right? lol no more GI Joe style crawling.
Love the music.
+Donna Clayton glad you like it Donna, thanks for watching
man i love your videos but the the music....aarghhh....must begettin old ;(
Sorry man, it's what I've got to work with...
Nice work, you managed not to knock off any of them mirrors off the wall!
Thanks for watching Mike
annoy music, helpless, no explaination for what are you doing and why.
Would you like to watch an 8 hour video instead?
We could do without the music! LOL