NOTE: It might be worth seeing the TNG S6 episode SECOND CHANCES before watching DEFIANT (DS9 S3, Ep. 9). Doing so has advantages and drawbacks (either ruined surprises or greater emotional resonance), so it might be best to run a poll on whether you ought to. You may know of this already, just making sure.
Couldn't figure out how to post it here, but just saw a post on Facebook that January 7th is Actor Mark Allen Shepard's birthday. He is the actor who played Morn.
I'd say it has a small bump in excitement at the beginning of season 3 but the really true increase in drama starts with way of the warrior. All connected of course. But something about Way Of The Warrior really re-energized the show.
Imo, season two is peak ds9 (as far as consistent writing). Yes, there's going to be great episodes but as a show bar season 3, the rest is ok but not great.
Alan Oppenheimer, aka Captain Keogh, is an accomplished actor and voice actor most famous as the voice of Skeletor in the 1980s cartoon He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. This was his second appearance in Star Trek, his first being Koroth, the Klingon cleric in TNG's "Rightful Heir." And yes, he is related to Robert Oppenheimer, the physicist; they're distant cousins.
No way. I had no idea he was Skeletor. He's been around for awhile. Iam watching an episode of Night Court where he is playing a judge who has to swear Harry back in as a judge
@@karter95 For added irony, Frank Langella played Minister Jaro in the three-part season opener and he also played Skeletor in the live-action Masters of the Universe film. So the season began with live-action Skeletor and ended with the voice of the animated Skeletor.
The Jem'Hadar came out a few weeks after the TNG series finally. The message of the Odyssey a Galaxy class starship being destroyed was "This is an advasary that could defeat even the Enterprise."
Yeah, so the Jem'Hadar charging Sisko without shooting his gun? He was under orders to let Sisko get away with Eris. He let himself get killed in order to get Eris planted in the Alpha Quadrant as a spy, or disinformation agent, or who knows what else. And the Jem'Hadar were willing to kamikaze the Odyssey just to make a point, too. Those are some fanatical soldiers. There's a clear technological superiority going on, as well, being able to walk through the containment field on DS9 and their weapons passing straight through the Odyssey's shields like they weren't even there. We haven't seen this kind of carnage on DS9 since the pilot episode where we saw the Borg wreck Starfleet at Wolf 359. Everything about this episode screams: the Dominion are a Borg-level threat.
“You judge yourselves against the pitiful adversaries you've encountered so far - the Romulans, the Klingons. They're nothing compared to what's waiting.” -Q (Q Who TNG)
Exactly. Q took Vash to the Gamma Quadrant. He knew who and what was out there. The Dominion wasn't the Borg, to be shut down by a last minute trick. They were a far more difficult threat
That lawyer reminds me of the public defender i was assigned that got me 8 years in prison for a bar fight in which i got stabbed and was simply defending myself
Ds9 is a underappreciated masterpiece. It accomplished A lot for Star Trek and TV in general back in the days. It was a seven season saga. Great writing! I love your enthusiasm keep it up. And yes, you need to practice your backflips cause many more surprises and incredible episodes are coming your way.
32:30 Jambalaya is one of my favorite dishes! It's a very spicy Creole rice dish with peppers that can include chicken, shrimp, and/or Andouille sausage (I prefer the third option). I often have it for my birthday!
They put the odyssey in to show that even the enterprise probably wouldn't survive the encounter. It was the biggest wtf since best of both worlds. You will love season 3
FYI, I'm almost positive that the trip away part of the episode 'The Jem'Hadar' was drawn from the Little House on the Prairie episode 'The Camp-Out'. Or, at least Quark and Nog inviting themselves along Like the Olesons did, lol.
It's actually crazy how much Jake has grown(physically) since season 1! At the start of that season, he was basically a tiny little boy, and now he's practically taller than most of the other cast members!! Reminds me of my own adolescence! Between the ages of 12 and 15, I went from being 5 feet tall to being 6 feet 5 inches tall! And Quark is the WORST person ever to bring on a camping trip!!! XD Also, I love the combo of Sisko and Quark trapped in a weird situation together! Super fun! And yeah, shit's about to get REAL. The Dominion are NOT fucking around, and they're definitely the greatest threat the Alpha Quadrant has faced since the Borg! The scene of a Jem'Hadar kamikaze'ing into the Odyssey shows both that the Jem'Hadar are willing to go to insane, fanatical lengths to accomplish their goals, and that the Federation are NOT prepared to deal with them!!! Oooooooohhhhhh-weeeee I'm so excited for you to see what's coming!!!! XD
For those familiar with Greek mythology, the name "Eris" should be a clue that the character is not to be trusted. Eris (or Discord, as the Romans called her) is the goddess whose nature and mission is to stir up trouble between people. The most famous story about her is that, in order to take vengeance for a past perceived slight, she arranges for Paris of Troy to judge which of three goddesses is the most beautiful; and she does this in full awareness that the outcome of this contest will lead to the Trojan war.
@@JoeCool7835 Yes, I didn't think that was particularly relevant here, and didn't want to go into a case where the name was disguised by being made part of a longer word; but we do know that the Star Trek VI reference was just as intentional as this one.
Okay, as a rule, the federation and other factions use the term starship forever spaceship. However, they do use military destination for ships when needed. For example In the next generation era an Excelsior class starship is a Cruiser, an Ambassador class statship, which was what the Enterprise C was is a heavy cruiser, and a Galaxy class like the Enterprise D or the Odyssey Is more like battleships. A Galaxy class starship has over a 1000 people on board. That's the main crew and civilian. The Odyssey transferred its civilian population and non-essential personnel to DS9 before they went to the gamma quadrant. It was only after the loss of the Enterprise D that they stopped putting civilians on starships. Also, the warmhole isn't in dominion space. They'll prove that in future episodes As for your earlier question about the DMZ. It has both Cardassian and Federation colonies all over the zone, and they're so intermingled that. You could find 2 cardassian colonies neighbors to 2 federation colonies. starfleet vessels and cardashian military vessels are not allowed inside the zone. That treaty that Jim'Hadar mentioned pretty much set up the demilitarized zone..
This is the episode that literally changed everything. It shocked Star Trek fandom to its core when the Odyssey went down so easily. Not since "I am Locutus of Borg," did we feel as stunned. The creators intentionally chose a Galaxy Class Starship to destroy to echo the Enterprise D, which was still in service. So it could just as easily have been Picard and crew that died. This is when DS9 went legit. Also, if it's space battles you crave... oh man. We get some of the greatest space battles ever throughout the next 5 seasons. Hold on to your butt.
So the original trailer for this episode was really sneaky. It showed the Odyssey getting rammed and blown up by the Jem'Hadar and it came out 2 weeks after "all good things" aired so 2 weeks after TNG finished people get a TV spot where a ship that looks like Enterprise gets blown up and everyone is like "whaaaaat? ". Of course in episode the point is clear... The Dominion COULD take out the Enterprise had they been there
I remember back in ninety three when I first watched this episode Galaxy class STARSHIP to be the best and the most powerfull ship of the Federation fleet and pure shock when Jem'Hadar made disposed her like it was fly on the windshield! I/we knew back then that this is something new and the Dominion is going to be tough adversary. Yet as Eris said I was not ready what has began here, in this episode, there is no way to getting properly ready for what is going to come in next episodes, seasons and whole series. Up until DS9 everything was nice and positive then came this little staion and ST universe was never the same. I am hardly only one waiting for you to finally getting into the third season and beyond. I hope B5 forgive me if I borrow one sentence from it "And so it begins"
This episode blew me away to not only the threat of the Dominion, but also to how far the show is willing to go! Now I have no idea what to expect and I am so excited
Yup. The show could’ve had any class ship get destroyed but they chose Galaxy class because people would think of the Enterprise-D and to see a ship like that go down so senselessly and violently would leave a better impact.
The Galaxy class starship was the height of Starfleet engineering and the prime example of not only the strength of the Federation but their philosophy in who they thought they were. Then the Borg came and Wolf 359 happened and shook the Federation to its core. Now it's five years later and The Federation/Starfleet has still not recovered... but at least, for good or for bad, within that time they have begun to accept they need to make changes in how they do things and started to do so. That's one of the things that makes this series so great. I've always loved Star Trek for its "message", there will be a future and it will be good...humanity will not only survive, we will excel! Great! Spend time showing the positivity of this! Be inspirational! But sometimes you _need_ to have your beliefs tested. It's all well and good to have lofty ideals when everything is easy. But what happens to those ideals when you are put through the wringer? Stressed beyond imagination? Taken to extremes? What good are these ideals if you only have them in fair weather? See what it takes to hold on to them when taken to the limit. See what you have then when you come out the other side. Not every Trek series should be DS9 but also not every Trek series should be TNG. It's incredible we get to have both! Having a show like DS9 can validate a show like TNG and even TOS and DS9 sure as anything *needs* the shining beacons of TNG and TOS to light their way through it all. Star Trek can be such an amazing franchise!!!
A lot of Star Trek fans believe this is when the federation woke up and realised how vulnerable they where he fact one of their strongest ships was destroyed so easily was a big splash of cold water to the face , RIP Odyssey 🪦
" . . . I will hold you personally responsible. And if that sounds like a threat, IT IS." This is why Sisko is my favorite captain. No philosophy, no poker gambit, no lens flares. Just a man who will defend those under his command if he has to start an interstellar war to do so. Not even Space-Socialism can stop him. Ah, the Dominion. Well worth the wait . . . you're going to have so much fun next season . . .
That the USS Odyssey belonged to the same class of ship as the Enterprise-D, commanded by a levelheaded and experienced Captain who could very well have been a Classmate of Picard was no coincidence. It was the Showrunners making an important point: If the Enterprise, the Ship we just followed and fallen in love with for seven Season of TNG, had been in this impossible situation, it would not have fared any better.
It’s incredibly effective staging: the the flagship model Galaxy speaks to Stafleet’s naval doctrine “threat nuetralization, not force projection”, and why reliance on crazy powerful shields has built in liabilities and failings… zero agility and more exposure than defensive system coverage (despite what contrivances are written into ‘Picard’ season 3)
If anything i think they even made Keogh a bit of an ass to give the impression hed be a more militaristic leader and shoot sooner than Picard. If picard had been there he would have requested hailing frequencies first and tried to talk them down which ultimately could have made the enterprise d fair even worse or be destroyed even sooner. The Odyssey and Enterprise D were probably mostly on par with one another, but the way Keogh and Picard used them was very different.
Colm Meaney (Miles O'Brien) takes such a beating in this series. Tribunal is just one of many episodes that tests O'Brien's limits. It is also one of many episodes that provides comparison and allows for commentary on social issues such as "alien/foreign" legal systems, "human" rights, torture & confession, and the nature of justice.
It is cool pausing for a moment here at the first mention of the Founders, considering expectations, not knowing who or what they are but knowing they must be building up to an even cooler introduction than the Jem'hadar...
Loved the sinister recap of the Dominion arc throughout this season. As others have no doubt said, this is where everything changes! It’s such a cool, epic point in the entire show (and franchise!). Looking forward to seeing you react to every episode from this point on!😎👏
The message of the Odyssey's destruction is pretty clear. Even if it had been Captain Picard and the crew of the Enterprise, they could not have done anything to stop the Jem'Hadar. This episode aired after TNG had gone off the air, leading some people to worry from the trailers that they might actually be destroying the Enterprise here. According to Star Trek Online, Galaxy Class ships are classified as Exploration Cruisers.
The Enterprise-D is a Galaxy-Class starship, there are other Galaxy-class starships as well, the Enterprise-D was the flagship of the Federation, but there are other ships of that same class.
Speaking of ship classifications, the Galaxy Class, and thus the Enterprise-D, is an "Explorer", that is the biggest and powerful type in the Federation fleet. The Enterprise-E (Sovereign Class) is also an Explorer. The old Enterprise (Kirk's one), Constitution Class, is an Heavy Cruiser.
Tribural is about finding a justification to send in full military force to take out the Maquis and "supporters" in the demiliterized zone that nither the federation or cadassians can send armed forces or even into federation territory.
Its so cool you get to binge this and then make reaction content.. In our day when these first came out, we not only had to wait each week for the next episode (anyone remember those TV days...?), but here in Australia, there was no public network that showed them on a reliable basis, and so we had to wait until they were released on VHS tape, once per fortnight. Each fortnight we would go up to blockbuster and buy the latest release of a DS9 or Voyager tape, and we would watch those two episodes again and again, until the next fortnightly release. Then we bought them all again on DVD...etc. Even when Foxtel came, they didnt have Trek at first. So youre really lucky, and we are lucky we can watch these anytime we want.
@@TheNoiseySpectator so - I will assume this isnt a joke question - but this was what Americans know as Fox. Ya know - Rupert Murdoch - our local boy - sorry about that. Literally here from Adelaide. It was Australias first cable subscription service that arrived in the early late 1990's 2000's. It was expensive and very slow to be subscribed to. They promoted it as being able to have hundreds of channels - but most were rubbish and didnt have what we wanted - ie: high demand syndicated series that cost money. ANd much of what was available to the US and UK market was just not available in AUstralia. Foxtel promised to be the answer to that -but they turned out to be rubbish too. When we first subscribed in 2006, the subs were $70 per month, which was more than telephone and basic internet at the time. SO Aussies got used to buying huge collections of DVD's rather than miss out on what they wanted to watch, and not pay for what they didnt want to watch. Ppl got sick of free to air and foxtel didnt really deliver on the high demand series - so we all resorted to buying huge DVD collections. Even now Australia doesnt have the full range of streaming services and whats available in the UK is not avail here on the same channel - acorn being a prime example. Drives us nuts. The only platform that equalised TV viewing Australia with the rest of the worlld was Netflix. Now in the last couple of years lots of other channels have become available - but no one TV is programmed to take them all. We cant get Disney, but our son can. We also cant get Acorn or BBC channels. It just sucks the whole TV world. SO much of what the US watches all the time has never been shown here and if it is - its on channels not everyone can access. Its just bollocks. sorry. rant over!
23:00 So The De-Militarized Zone The following is all from "in-show" information. I am excluding comics, books, games, "beta canon" and anything not at DS9 season 2 or VGR season 1. In the 2330s, there was a military coup on Cardassia - and a quasi-fascistic military dictatorship took over. It is still in power to this day. In the 2350s the Cardassian Empire / Union and the United Federation of Planets had a conflict. It has been described as "The Skirmishes", "The Border Wars" and "The War". Given the size and strength we see of the Federation and Cardassians in TNG and DS9, it seems that whilst the conflict was *relatively* minor - meaning the UFP were not trying to invade Cardassia Prime and the Cardassians were (presumably) just after a couple of systems here and there for resources - they were never a direct threat to the Federation itself. But to those taking part in the conflict, especially something called "The Setlik III Massacre" - referenced many times in TNG and DS9 - it was hell. Apparently the Cardassians were kind of brutal - using underhanded techniques etc. Very violent. Fake surrenders etc. Anyway by the time TNG itself starts (2363) they've been at peace a few years. The Peace Treaty - the thing the Maquis and Colonists are up in arms about - the whole situation is as follows: The Cardassians and Federation have made an agreement where by they are swapping various systems (territory) with the other. This is for . Geopolitical. Territorial. Whatever. Some of these planets have colonies on them - on both sides. Both sets of colonists were warned not to settle there but they did anyway. Now some have been there 10 years etc - built lives and families. Now, the IMPLICATION is that on the Federation side, "our" guys are just annoying 'freedom' libertarian types - they went out and want to make a home in the wilderness / on the frontier -- but that for the Cardassians, they are purposefully putting Cardassian settlements on disputed planets (even after the treaty) and are then funding them with weapons. The hope is these "redneck cardassians with phasers" will drive out the "hippy doo-gooders" of the federation. The Cardassian government is funding the cardassians using proxies and inter-mediaries -- whereas the Federation isn't supporting the Maquis themselves, but CLEARLY senior members of starfleet ARE defecting or using influence to divert phasers and torpedoes to the federation settlers - see Commander Hudson -- or in Voyager, Commander Chakotay. Or in TNG, Ro Laren etc. remember Cardassia being fascist and all that? Well this is why - they always need an enemy, a THEM. Previously it was the Bajorans but now they beat them back (sorry, the Cardassian "withdrew") they have a new "THEM" - The Maquis. So it's useful for them to keep the whole charade going - with the Federation holding its d--k in its hands in the interests of keeping the peace. The DMZ is a place where neither the Cardassians or the Federation can send in ships, weapons, supplies. It's a blockaded area, basically. There can be incursions by a party but it must be agreed by both sides and usually with an escort. It's to prevent a delicate situation where a Navy ship may have to fire on its own citizens to protect an enemy - or worse, fail or delay to protect an "enemy" civilian ship whilst "protecting" their own side's terrorists ships... etc. The risks are too great someone will get trigger happy or enraged at the wrong moment and ignite a conflict. ------------ The main Cardassian Empire / Union presence in the area is Gul Evek - he's the dude who keeps showing up. He seems to be in charge of "the Border". The Starfleet counterpart is Alynna Nechayev, the badass admiral who is always technically right. DS9 is involved sometimes cos Bajor (the Wormhole) is near Cardassian space. The Enterprise in TNG is involved a number of times because in season 5 it seems the Enterprise was assigned to the area and Picard's line manager was also Alynna Nechayev. Since Picard fell under Nechayev, he was the one who set Sisko up at the start of the series. He's the middle management for the Cardassian border. This is why the Cardassians kidnapped him to torture him for information on starfleet battle plans in TNG's Chain of Command. Sisko's line manager changes from Alynna Nechayev to Admiral Chakotay at some point in season 3 I believe. In this episode, the Cardassians are trying to frame O'Brien to make it look like he (Starfleet) is directly supporting The Maquis - which will give the Cardassians an excuse to enter the zone and "investigate". And by "investigate" I mean start orbital bombardment of ex Federation colonies. Starfleet will respond in one of two ways - completely ceding the territory, or a war. And the Cardassians know the Federation will NOT start a war - hence if they pull this off, they gain all they ever wanted and more. Does that help?
Hey, great summation! Seeing it just written out even helped me who's been neck deep in Trek since I was a kid. One thing though, Necheyev is always technically right, but also a total dick 😂
46:35 Yep, that was my reaction too! Had never seen anything like that in Star Trek before. Dominion came to play hard ball. FYI: Alan Oppenheimer is a voice actor famous for voicing Skeletor and Man At Arms in the original 1980s He Man series. The actor who played his first officer is in prison for murdering his wife. “…and I intend to be ready for them.” Such a great way to tease what’s coming at the opening of Season 3!
After meeting the Jem'Hadar, I think it is safe to say that we have reached one of the best narrative threads in all Star Trek history (in my humble opinion). It's been good so far, get ready for a level-up.
I would say being Canadian might excuse him from not knowing jambalaya, but otoh he doesn't know how to pronounce Maquis either, so that excuse is invalidated, and he must now visit New Orleans to rectify the situation.
Omfg NOW I know where I’ve seen Alan Oppenheimer before. Yes, I know all about his voice work but he sports a mustache in my memory and I just realized it was from his supporting role in Riding with Death, that tv pilot movie that was featured on MST3K! 😂
I hope DS9's first look at the Dominion was everything you hoped it would be. I'm a little late to your channel, but when I saw not only that you're reacting to DS9 (my favorite Trek show), and also that you just met the Jem'Hadar for the first time, I knew I had to subscribe to catch your reactions to the whole show! And a lot of stuff that might seem weird makes more sense in hindsight. The Jem'Hadar tried to beat SIsko with their guns rather than shoot because they had to put on a good show so that it wouldn't look like they let Eris get away. And sending on of their ships on a suicide run... That means that they have the ability to send that kind of message without losing much. Maybe this wasn't one of their tougher ships, or maybe they just have a whole lot of them, or maybe someone else in the Dominion told them to do it? It's an effective message, all the same, doing a kamikaze run on a ship that could very well have been the Enterprise if things had been a bit different. Also, Eris... That's the name of the Greek Goddess of Discord, famously responsible for starting the Trojan War, if I recall correctly. Regardless, I hope you enjoy what is yet to come. All I'll say is what you've already been told: You have no idea what's begun here! ~_^
The Dominion is, to me, the most dangerous of all the enemies of the Federation. Not even the Borg were as scary as the Dominion. I am glad we are here finally!!
Both serve as effective anti-Federations. They're multi-species, highly advanced factions, that operate on very different philosophies. The Borg assimilate through technological means, continually adapting to and conquering everyone around them in order to become better, but making use of everyone and everything they assimilate, and everyone becomes an interchangeable cog in the machine. The Dominion appropriately enough dominates, through force, and has a rigidly hierarchical system of who does what job and who must obey who. The Federation is trying to simply convince their neighbors to join them peacefully, and they follow a philosophy taken from the Vulcans, of infinite diversity in infinite combinations. They're okay with letting all the various species kind of do their own thing and maintain their own separate and unique cultures, as long as they agree to some basic principles of not imposing their will on others. For all the talk of the Federation being space socialism, it's much more like libertarianism: they follow the Non-Aggression Principle and people aren't forced to contribute in any way to the collective good. There's no space taxes. The Borg are a better analogy for socialism in practice; everyone gets a job assigned to them and everyone must provide for the community with the output of their labor. And the Dominion are definitely fascist, with its cult-like worship of its leaders and unyielding focus on doing whatever the state requires.
@@fakecubed Like I said, they are the scariest of all of the enemies "to me". The Borg are definitely a scary damn race, until Voyager watered them down.
I remember having the same shocked reaction the first time i saw this episode. This happened and then a few months later we lost the Enterprise D in Generations. It was a fairly traumatic year to my childhood. LOL
Just think, the suicide run on the USS Odyssey might be the least aggressive thing the Jem Hadar does... How do you deal with a species that makes Klingons look like Ewoks by comparison?
As for "Star Ship" vs "Star Cruiser" There is a bit of ambiguity in the meanings here. The literal words don't have much difference. Ship implies any vessel while Cruiser literally just means a vessel that can "Cruise" or travel about with consistent speed and power. However, Cruiser is typically a term used to denote Warships. Cruisers are typically - though, not specifically - ships of the line with an emphasis on Speed and Firepower over other aspects like Armor. The Galaxy Class has, in some situations, been called a Battleship. At the time it was put into mass service, it is the largest and most heavily armed and armored ship in Starfleet. However, Galaxies also have some notorious weak points. Their massively over-built Engineering sections and Nacelles are very fragile, and if you think about it... almost every time you've seen a Galaxy die (Including the Enterprise) it's because of damage to those big, sensitive Engines. Considering the massive Engine output of the Galaxy, and the fact it's Armor is actually not that much higher than any other Federation ship of the line, it could technically be classed as a Cruiser. In fact, by turn of the next century, the Galaxies still in service are relegated to the role of "Exploration Cruisers". Yes, in 40 years, they'll still be using the good old Galaxy. Is it a Star Ship? Yes! Is it a Star Cruiser? It can be!
Continuity & Production Errors: TRIBUNAL (IMDb rating: 7.6) 7:21 When O'Brien has his molar removed, a camera pan reveals that he's still wearing boxers when he's supposed to be naked. THE JEM'HADAR (IMDb rating: 8.5 Highest of season 2) 37:04 When Sisko begins to take the collar off of Eris, why does it look like he's unbuttoning her blouse? Smooth move, Sisko. 😉
Show kicks ass with Dominion storyline! Oh and also…we should prob hold off on trying jumping jacks on cam until you watch some instructional videos on fitness 😂
Great antagonists make for the best storytelling and DS9 has some of the best in the History of television. Not only do we get the Dominion and their related leaders but we already had Dukat and Win too and they're all different and completely fleshed out characters. Stargate SG1 had some brilliant long runnings villains too.
1) Now both actors who portrayed Skeletor in the '80s have appeared in this series (Minsiter Jaro and Captain Keogh) 2) The Boone actor (John Beck) and Odo actor (René Auberjonois) were both in the disaster spoof "The Big Bus" (1976) 3) this was when TNG ended, so the use of a Galaxy-class partly symbolised that DS9 was coming out from under its shadow 4) Quark is a whiny bitch when latinum isn't being shoveled into his pocket, and the fact he didn't seem to receive any serious punishment after he aided persons who tried to steal the Dax symbiont and endanger Jadzia, I'm surprised he still has his precious lobes.
I feel like the Odyssey was pulling its punches. A Galaxy class starship can unload firepower very fast. I feel like if they had just let loose they would have won that fight.
- You call it O’Brien Suffers, I call it O’Brien Goes Through Hell lol but totally same difference. And yes, no spoilers but there will be plenty more of those episodes 😂 - First time I watched the Jem Hadar episode, the woman spy also fooled me. Looking forward to seeing you learn more about The Dominion and The Founders. - Come on, man! You’ve never heard of Jambalaya??? It’s a famous Louisiana Creole/Cajun dish. Try it, you might like it.
So it begins... oh wait, that's from another series. Still relevant though. Star Cruiser is technically correct Galaxy Class would classify as a heavy cruiser or a battle cruiser, although Trekkies usually just say Starship.
The Galaxy Class ships are mega powerful but their design flaw is too much dependence on their shields. You bring them down or find a way to bypass them, then the ship can be taken out too easy.
39:27 Jake and O'Brien's engineering callback - you'll find DS9 does that a lot. It's why it's such a great show. I hate to be one of those "they don't make them like they used to" but... see with today's serialisation, you have 10-13 episodes to do the entire plot - which is worked out at the start of the season. Episode 1 we'll be covering X, episode 2 will be covering Y etc. It's built like a jenga or lego house - a piece at a time. Syndicated shows like TNG are the exact opposite - such that you can basically tune in at any point in the show (in re-runs) and it won't matter - each episode has a beginning, middle and an end. DS9 (and a couple of contemporaries - Babylon 5, The X-Files and Buffy the Vampire Slayer come to mind) rides this line - pretty much each season has an opening 2 parter, a middle 2 parter and an ending 2 parter. Those are the episodes that carry the "arc" for the season / show, and the middle bits are "filler". However with DS9 you get the extra / add-on that the "filler" episodes also contribute in some small way - usually a throw away line here or there by some character is called back another episode or season, even if it didn't seem consequential at the time. A good example here is The Dominion itself - it's mentioned, I think, twice before - once by a Dosi Merchant (Quark and the female Ferengi were trading with them) and once by the Skreean refugee leader. There may be another mention earlier in the season. There was no massive build up - there was no "whispers from beyond..." there was no big mystery - just BLAM here's The Dominion - and the clues were dotted around enough that it isn't a total surprise. ---- 42:00 Your face lighting up and your "THE ENTERPRISE!" followed by the most heartfelt let down of all time. "Wait.. you're not captain Picard though :(" Honestly had the same emotion to it as a kid finding out its pet kitty has mysteriously changed shape after going missing for 2 days. "IT'S BUTTONS! Wait... button's didn't have a brown ear... ? :(" As an aside, this episode aired shortly after Star Trek Generations had been at the cinemas - that's the one where the Enterprise-D crash lands. The writers specifically opted for a Galaxy class starship, as it was felt viewers would be familiar with how strong / powerful they were thanks to TNG; they took on The Borg and the Romulans! etc To see one getting blown away at the end was meant to assist with the impression of how dangerous The Dominion is - and that basically even if it had been Picard and Worf and Data etc - they wouldn't have won that battle either - technology and clever technobabble doesn't help when they will happily kamikaze your largest space vessels. EDIT: WARNING - long ramble about the production of the show and galaxy class ships... I believe this was the last footage of the TNG Enterprise model filmed for Star Trek. All subsequent footage of Galaxy class ships are CGI or refuse of stock footage. This episode marks the last "live action" use of the TNG model before it was sold off for I think $500,000 at auction several years later. There were six Galaxy class starships originally constructed and many are seen in DS9 and VGR throughout their runs. There were six other Galaxy class hulls built but not assembled at this time in the show. The Original Six: USS Galaxy (Alive as of Star Trek Nemesis - 2379) USS Enterprise-D (Destroyed in Star Trek Generations - 2371) USS Odyssey (Destroyed in this episode - 2372) USS Venture (featured in DS9 season 4 - no spoilers about its status) USS Challenger (featured in a VGR episode Timeless. Alive as of 2380s. Technically an alternate timeline but the ship wasn't the thing that had been changed and was there in the original timeline) USS Yamato (Destroyed in Star Trek TNG season 2 - Contagion - 2365) Then there were the other six hulls. These were later built to replace some of the above first generation which had suffered some losses. We don't all their names but we are aware of: USS Magellan - featured in DS9 season 6. USS Syracuse - featured in Star Trek Picard season 3. The other four are un-named but may include USS Madison and was possibly destroyed in Star Trek: First Contact There is also evidence that a Galaxy Class Ship was destroyed at Wolf 359 - Admiral Hansen was on a Galaxy Class bridge set - however the ship name is not spoken and it was possibly the USS Melbourne, a Nebula class ship which shares some architecture with Galaxy class ships. ---- 45:20 "Breaking through the shields of a Galaxy class starship". You can't "out-tech" them by re-routing the plasma coil through the warp core to fix the situation. For the first time in Star Trek's history, the Federation is facing an equal - and in some worrying ways including certain technologies and science, a superior - adversary. Sure, we've had The Borg as an existential threat but they're far away. The Federation has faced the Klingons and Romulans, each, before - and come out on top each time. By this point in the galaxy's history, the United Federation of Planets is a Major Galactic Power. It's the Dominant Culture of "That Part of the Galaxy". They've never actually met "An Equal" which is Just As Established and Just As Advanced. The Romulans are too paranoid and hide away, the Klingons inevitably burn themselves out each time etc. The Dominion is the first time in the Federations history it's met its match and it's can't talk, fight or tech their way out as they normally can and carry on the next week as if nothing happened. They're an Anti-Federation. I can't really give any spoilers for future stuff - but we learn about their internal society ... a bit. Snippets from characters here and there, and stuff we can piece together as a result. But I can promise you that The Dominion is not a two-dimensional "big bad bully" that's evil for no reason. They have their reasoning, their logic and their own geography and societal history - and their own interactions with their neighbours as they grew up. The Federation got lucky, all things considered. Whilst the Klingons and Romulans and Cardassians were initially hostile, they were able to be "dealt with", mostly amicably. The Dominion creators - the Founders - they were not so lucky, and took a different path. They really are one of scifi's more "nuanced" societies out there. ---- 51:55 "What do you call it - star cruiser, star ship ?" - honestly mate, anyone watching this will know what you mean if you use any phrase along those lines. In-Universe (puts on glasses), pretty much all space vessels are referred to as "Starship". "Starship" (one word) is, or was, a Trek-specific word that Roddenberry liked as it differentiated from the more generic "spaceship". The USS Odyssey (and Enterprise-D from TNG) are both Galaxy Class Starships. Galaxy class starships were meant to be "exploration cruisers", if it helps. The TOS Enterprise was described by Klingons as a "battlecruiser". There's ships later in DS9 and in other shows that are given names "destroyers", "cruisers", "battleships" but I can't really be specific as spoilers / too nerdy. The Jem'Hadar ships you saw in this episodes are called "Fighters" btw. They are approx 10-15 times larger than a Runabout. ---- 53:00 specifically on the shield penetration. As u'll remember in Generations, when the Klingons knew the "frequency" of the shields they could shoot through it. The Borg also use this technique for their weapons to break through shields. There's a couple of other times in Trek where it's mentioned - if you know the frequency (in Hz) of the shield of your target, you can fire through it or transport it as if the shield is not up. In this episode, Dax specifically asks them if they tried "altering [their] harmonics" - Keogh replies that they had run "across the entire spectrum" but that "none of the frequencies were effective". Star Trek has a problem - technobabble. The problem isn't that it exists. It's that sometimes it's meaningless gibberish to get the plot moving, other times it's 100% 'science' that is critical to the underlying story logic - and the problem is that we, the viewer, are not aware of which it is (meaningless throw aways, or mission critical information that the story logic hinges on). In this case, it's mission critical. We're being told that whatever weapons the Jem'Hadar ships are using, they are able to negate shields and the enemy either has the capability to determine their frequency "live" and are adapting their weapons on the fly as the Odyssey is spamming its keyboard trying to randomise its frequencies, or the weapon they are using does not depend on frequencies at all - which rules out nearly any/all energy and particle beam based weapons - because all of those have a frequency. Either option - that the enemy can "see" their own weapons settings, or that their weapons simply bypass shields - is a disaster. Remember these mofos regularly swinging phasers and antimatter around like it's nothing. Without any shields at all, you're at a serious disadvantage in a fire fight. These idiots put WINDOWS on their spaceships. With curtains and shelves in them! You think that can tank a single torpedo without shields lol? And it's all in a small throw away line hidden among the noise - but its consistent with all previous "frequency" and "shield" law. But to answers your question - yeah basically The Dominion are Advanced (TM). ---- 55:05 "Incredible stuff" season 4 has what I think is the largest collection / compositing of physical models put to screen outside of motion pictures - in some frames over 70 elements at once. No spoilers - i said elements not spaceships :p But it was in 1995/6 - around the peak of cinema model work and the transition into CGI - this was the point in history when model and camera work was at its peak.
The battle was amazing because it also showed us how powerful are Galaxy Class starships. 3 Dominion ships were attacking it, penetrating their shields, and still they were resisting with the ship´s armor and managing to get back to the Alpha Quadrant. If not for the suicide attack, they would have reached DS9 without any doubt.
Sure, the security barrier will kill you... Because thats what you want from a barrier designed to hold prisoners who you kept alive in one place because you obviously want alive for information or other reasons (otherwise you'd have killed them already) and give them the opportunity to kill themselves before you extract the information you wanted to hold them for.
I'm not sure we can really trust that the barrier was actually lethal. The whole thing was a set-up to get Eris planted in the Alpha Quadrant, to do who knows what. Everything about it was carefully planned and staged, even the Jem'Hadar not shooting his weapon and letting himself get killed during the escape.
An interesting point about Odo when he was helping Chief Obrien is that he wouldn't be surprised if Obrien actually did it and he doesn't exactly love the federation either. But he'll do the right thing and expect justice if the Chief is innocent.
I never caught this but "our first vacation in 5 years"? Sweeties, you got married less than 5 years ago was your last vacation while you were still dating??
Thanks, Oliver! 🖖 So many clues have been leading to this... and it'll take years to play out. ෴ Avery Brooks and Kim Friedman directed these two. So much great storytelling yet to come!
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Check out the first 6 episodes of S3 on Patreon now!!
NOTE: It might be worth seeing the TNG S6 episode SECOND CHANCES before watching DEFIANT (DS9 S3, Ep. 9). Doing so has advantages and drawbacks (either ruined surprises or greater emotional resonance), so it might be best to run a poll on whether you ought to.
You may know of this already, just making sure.
Couldn't figure out how to post it here, but just saw a post on Facebook that January 7th is Actor Mark Allen Shepard's birthday. He is the actor who played Morn.
Eris: "you have no idea what's begun here."
Truer words were never spoken.
I am so excited to see where this leads!!
@@RolyPolyOllieReactions > I am so excited to see where this leads!!
That's handy because the very next episode is called "The Search" haha
Lots of exploration of their feelings and listening to folk music around a campfire while eating s'mores, followed by a big cleansing cry.
End of the Prolog.
Worth noting that, in mythology, Eris is the goddess of strife.
This is where the show really picks up. You'll love season 3
I love ❤ the little "D" 😂😂 in the next season
@marcel.s7493 "little?"
I'd say it has a small bump in excitement at the beginning of season 3 but the really true increase in drama starts with way of the warrior. All connected of course. But something about Way Of The Warrior really re-energized the show.
Imo, season two is peak ds9 (as far as consistent writing).
Yes, there's going to be great episodes but as a show bar season 3, the rest is ok but not great.
Now the prologue of DS9 is over and the main act has begun!
That cliffhanger season finale was gold back when it first aired.
My favorite episode at the time. And now...DS-9 really begins.
Alan Oppenheimer, aka Captain Keogh, is an accomplished actor and voice actor most famous as the voice of Skeletor in the 1980s cartoon He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. This was his second appearance in Star Trek, his first being Koroth, the Klingon cleric in TNG's "Rightful Heir." And yes, he is related to Robert Oppenheimer, the physicist; they're distant cousins.
No way. I had no idea he was Skeletor. He's been around for awhile. Iam watching an episode of Night Court where he is playing a judge who has to swear Harry back in as a judge
@@karter95 For added irony, Frank Langella played Minister Jaro in the three-part season opener and he also played Skeletor in the live-action Masters of the Universe film. So the season began with live-action Skeletor and ended with the voice of the animated Skeletor.
The Jem'Hadar came out a few weeks after the TNG series finally. The message of the Odyssey a Galaxy class starship being destroyed was "This is an advasary that could defeat even the Enterprise."
Yeah, so the Jem'Hadar charging Sisko without shooting his gun? He was under orders to let Sisko get away with Eris. He let himself get killed in order to get Eris planted in the Alpha Quadrant as a spy, or disinformation agent, or who knows what else. And the Jem'Hadar were willing to kamikaze the Odyssey just to make a point, too. Those are some fanatical soldiers. There's a clear technological superiority going on, as well, being able to walk through the containment field on DS9 and their weapons passing straight through the Odyssey's shields like they weren't even there. We haven't seen this kind of carnage on DS9 since the pilot episode where we saw the Borg wreck Starfleet at Wolf 359. Everything about this episode screams: the Dominion are a Borg-level threat.
I just realized this episode is DIRECTED by Avery Brooks. Never knew that.
Now the greatest series of Star Trek, truly begins.
TOS > DS9
@@monkeyzorr3090let's not start the holy wars. Tng, tos, voy and ds9 are s tier.
“You judge yourselves against the pitiful adversaries you've encountered so far - the Romulans, the Klingons. They're nothing compared to what's waiting.” -Q (Q Who TNG)
Exactly. Q took Vash to the Gamma Quadrant. He knew who and what was out there. The Dominion wasn't the Borg, to be shut down by a last minute trick. They were a far more difficult threat
The intro truly summed up the hype behind the buildup of the dominion... well done on that intro!
That lawyer reminds me of the public defender i was assigned that got me 8 years in prison for a bar fight in which i got stabbed and was simply defending myself
Ds9 is a underappreciated masterpiece. It accomplished A lot for Star Trek and TV in general back in the days. It was a seven season saga. Great writing! I love your enthusiasm keep it up. And yes, you need to practice your backflips cause many more surprises and incredible episodes are coming your way.
32:30 Jambalaya is one of my favorite dishes! It's a very spicy Creole rice dish with peppers that can include chicken, shrimp, and/or Andouille sausage (I prefer the third option). I often have it for my birthday!
They put the odyssey in to show that even the enterprise probably wouldn't survive the encounter. It was the biggest wtf since best of both worlds. You will love season 3
"i hope o'brien is going to suffer" -- you officially passed the DS9 hardcore fan test, congratz
FYI, I'm almost positive that the trip away part of the episode 'The Jem'Hadar' was drawn from the Little House on the Prairie episode 'The Camp-Out'. Or, at least Quark and Nog inviting themselves along Like the Olesons did, lol.
It's actually crazy how much Jake has grown(physically) since season 1! At the start of that season, he was basically a tiny little boy, and now he's practically taller than most of the other cast members!! Reminds me of my own adolescence! Between the ages of 12 and 15, I went from being 5 feet tall to being 6 feet 5 inches tall!
And Quark is the WORST person ever to bring on a camping trip!!! XD Also, I love the combo of Sisko and Quark trapped in a weird situation together! Super fun!
And yeah, shit's about to get REAL. The Dominion are NOT fucking around, and they're definitely the greatest threat the Alpha Quadrant has faced since the Borg! The scene of a Jem'Hadar kamikaze'ing into the Odyssey shows both that the Jem'Hadar are willing to go to insane, fanatical lengths to accomplish their goals, and that the Federation are NOT prepared to deal with them!!!
Oooooooohhhhhh-weeeee I'm so excited for you to see what's coming!!!! XD
This episode of DS9 aired 2 weeks after the series finale of TNG. I have no doubt this was DS9's way of saying "Bye-Bye TNG!"
It made a lot of people think that the Enterprise was going to be in the DS9 finale and get blown up.
I think I should rewatch DS9.
Really Star Trek at its peak.
For those familiar with Greek mythology, the name "Eris" should be a clue that the character is not to be trusted. Eris (or Discord, as the Romans called her) is the goddess whose nature and mission is to stir up trouble between people. The most famous story about her is that, in order to take vengeance for a past perceived slight, she arranges for Paris of Troy to judge which of three goddesses is the most beautiful; and she does this in full awareness that the outcome of this contest will lead to the Trojan war.
The name Eris already came into play in Star Trek. What was the name of Spock's protege who turned traitor in Star Trek 6? Valeris! Seriously!
@@JoeCool7835 Yes, I didn't think that was particularly relevant here, and didn't want to go into a case where the name was disguised by being made part of a longer word; but we do know that the Star Trek VI reference was just as intentional as this one.
@@richardzinns5676 Zinnns, that was a Sharp observation!
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Okay, as a rule, the federation and other factions use the term starship forever spaceship. However, they do use military destination for ships when needed.
For example In the next generation era an Excelsior class starship is a Cruiser, an Ambassador class statship, which was what the Enterprise C was is a heavy cruiser, and a Galaxy class like the Enterprise D or the Odyssey Is more like battleships.
A Galaxy class starship has over a 1000 people on board. That's the main crew and civilian. The Odyssey transferred its civilian population and non-essential personnel to DS9 before they went to the gamma quadrant. It was only after the loss of the Enterprise D that they stopped putting civilians on starships.
Also, the warmhole isn't in dominion space. They'll prove that in future episodes
As for your earlier question about the DMZ. It has both Cardassian and Federation colonies all over the zone, and they're so intermingled that.
You could find 2 cardassian colonies neighbors to 2 federation colonies. starfleet vessels and cardashian military vessels are not allowed inside the zone. That treaty that Jim'Hadar mentioned pretty much set up the demilitarized zone..
Joyful Ollie is the cutest most adorable thing! from here on out DS9 is top tier! Wait till you see the space battles
This is where the show reaches it's stride and becomes a roller coaster of good stuff for the rest of the series.
I love that you love Keiko + Miles, they are great together and the actors are perfect!
They are so cute together!!
"Behind every great man, there's an equally great woman." ...describes the O'Briens perfectly.
Go in Peace and Walk with God. 😎 👍
Keiko is the only woman in the galaxy who can stand up to Miles, Worf, Picard, Bashir and Sisko, and outmatch their collective stubbornness.
@@bcn1gh7h4wk Wait I'm trying to remember when she had to stand up to Picard? The others I got...
This is the episode that literally changed everything. It shocked Star Trek fandom to its core when the Odyssey went down so easily. Not since "I am Locutus of Borg," did we feel as stunned.
The creators intentionally chose a Galaxy Class Starship to destroy to echo the Enterprise D, which was still in service. So it could just as easily have been Picard and crew that died. This is when DS9 went legit.
Also, if it's space battles you crave... oh man. We get some of the greatest space battles ever throughout the next 5 seasons. Hold on to your butt.
Agreed, they even made the Odyssey captain look somewhat similar to Picard in appearance.
Fitting that you uploaded this today. 31 years ago today, "Emissary" premiered and brought Deep Space Nine to the world.
Geez I've gotten old.
So the original trailer for this episode was really sneaky. It showed the Odyssey getting rammed and blown up by the Jem'Hadar and it came out 2 weeks after "all good things" aired so 2 weeks after TNG finished people get a TV spot where a ship that looks like Enterprise gets blown up and everyone is like "whaaaaat? ". Of course in episode the point is clear... The Dominion COULD take out the Enterprise had they been there
I remember back in ninety three when I first watched this episode Galaxy class STARSHIP to be the best and the most powerfull ship of the Federation fleet and pure shock when Jem'Hadar made disposed her like it was fly on the windshield!
I/we knew back then that this is something new and the Dominion is going to be tough adversary. Yet as Eris said I was not ready what has began here, in this episode, there is no way to getting properly ready for what is going to come in next episodes, seasons and whole series. Up until DS9 everything was nice and positive then came this little staion and ST universe was never the same. I am hardly only one waiting for you to finally getting into the third season and beyond. I hope B5 forgive me if I borrow one sentence from it "And so it begins"
This episode blew me away to not only the threat of the Dominion, but also to how far the show is willing to go! Now I have no idea what to expect and I am so excited
Yup. The show could’ve had any class ship get destroyed but they chose Galaxy class because people would think of the Enterprise-D and to see a ship like that go down so senselessly and violently would leave a better impact.
@@baronvg Yeah a lot of people thought it was really the Enterprise when they saw the ads.
The Galaxy class starship was the height of Starfleet engineering and the prime example of not only the strength of the Federation but their philosophy in who they thought they were.
Then the Borg came and Wolf 359 happened and shook the Federation to its core.
Now it's five years later and The Federation/Starfleet has still not recovered... but at least, for good or for bad, within that time they have begun to accept they need to make changes in how they do things and started to do so.
That's one of the things that makes this series so great. I've always loved Star Trek for its "message", there will be a future and it will be good...humanity will not only survive, we will excel! Great! Spend time showing the positivity of this! Be inspirational!
But sometimes you _need_ to have your beliefs tested. It's all well and good to have lofty ideals when everything is easy. But what happens to those ideals when you are put through the wringer? Stressed beyond imagination? Taken to extremes? What good are these ideals if you only have them in fair weather? See what it takes to hold on to them when taken to the limit. See what you have then when you come out the other side.
Not every Trek series should be DS9 but also not every Trek series should be TNG. It's incredible we get to have both!
Having a show like DS9 can validate a show like TNG and even TOS and DS9 sure as anything *needs* the shining beacons of TNG and TOS to light their way through it all.
Star Trek can be such an amazing franchise!!!
And that's why a galaxy class was chosen, it shows that basically the enterprise D wouldn't stand a chance
A lot of Star Trek fans believe this is when the federation woke up and realised how vulnerable they where he fact one of their strongest ships was destroyed so easily was a big splash of cold water to the face , RIP Odyssey 🪦
" . . . I will hold you personally responsible. And if that sounds like a threat, IT IS."
This is why Sisko is my favorite captain. No philosophy, no poker gambit, no lens flares. Just a man who will defend those under his command if he has to start an interstellar war to do so. Not even Space-Socialism can stop him.
Ah, the Dominion. Well worth the wait . . . you're going to have so much fun next season . . .
That the USS Odyssey belonged to the same class of ship as the Enterprise-D, commanded by a levelheaded and experienced Captain who could very well have been a Classmate of Picard was no coincidence.
It was the Showrunners making an important point: If the Enterprise, the Ship we just followed and fallen in love with for seven Season of TNG, had been in this impossible situation, it would not have fared any better.
It’s incredibly effective staging: the the flagship model Galaxy speaks to Stafleet’s naval doctrine “threat nuetralization, not force projection”, and why reliance on crazy powerful shields has built in liabilities and failings… zero agility and more exposure than defensive system coverage (despite what contrivances are written into ‘Picard’ season 3)
If anything i think they even made Keogh a bit of an ass to give the impression hed be a more militaristic leader and shoot sooner than Picard. If picard had been there he would have requested hailing frequencies first and tried to talk them down which ultimately could have made the enterprise d fair even worse or be destroyed even sooner. The Odyssey and Enterprise D were probably mostly on par with one another, but the way Keogh and Picard used them was very different.
Colm Meaney (Miles O'Brien) takes such a beating in this series. Tribunal is just one of many episodes that tests O'Brien's limits. It is also one of many episodes that provides comparison and allows for commentary on social issues such as "alien/foreign" legal systems, "human" rights, torture & confession, and the nature of justice.
Oh boy, the first episode of season 3 jumps off. We also get a present. The Galaxy is an Exploration Cruiser.
It is cool pausing for a moment here at the first mention of the Founders, considering expectations, not knowing who or what they are but knowing they must be building up to an even cooler introduction than the Jem'hadar...
The start of the greatest arc in Star Trek history
I think "The Jem'Hadar" was your best DS9 reaction so far! Keep up the great work, and I can't wait for next week's 2-part season premiere!
Loved the sinister recap of the Dominion arc throughout this season. As others have no doubt said, this is where everything changes! It’s such a cool, epic point in the entire show (and franchise!). Looking forward to seeing you react to every episode from this point on!😎👏
The message of the Odyssey's destruction is pretty clear. Even if it had been Captain Picard and the crew of the Enterprise, they could not have done anything to stop the Jem'Hadar. This episode aired after TNG had gone off the air, leading some people to worry from the trailers that they might actually be destroying the Enterprise here.
According to Star Trek Online, Galaxy Class ships are classified as Exploration Cruisers.
This was DS9's Wolf 359 moment.
The Enterprise-D is a Galaxy-Class starship, there are other Galaxy-class starships as well, the Enterprise-D was the flagship of the Federation, but there are other ships of that same class.
Speaking of ship classifications, the Galaxy Class, and thus the Enterprise-D, is an "Explorer", that is the biggest and powerful type in the Federation fleet. The Enterprise-E (Sovereign Class) is also an Explorer.
The old Enterprise (Kirk's one), Constitution Class, is an Heavy Cruiser.
46:39 Something to keep in mind going forward. Jem'Hadar don't f*** around.
Tribural is about finding a justification to send in full military force to take out the Maquis and "supporters" in the demiliterized zone that nither the federation or cadassians can send armed forces or even into federation territory.
Its so cool you get to binge this and then make reaction content.. In our day when these first came out, we not only had to wait each week for the next episode (anyone remember those TV days...?), but here in Australia, there was no public network that showed them on a reliable basis, and so we had to wait until they were released on VHS tape, once per fortnight. Each fortnight we would go up to blockbuster and buy the latest release of a DS9 or Voyager tape, and we would watch those two episodes again and again, until the next fortnightly release. Then we bought them all again on DVD...etc. Even when Foxtel came, they didnt have Trek at first. So youre really lucky, and we are lucky we can watch these anytime we want.
What is Foxtel?
@@TheNoiseySpectator so - I will assume this isnt a joke question - but this was what Americans know as Fox. Ya know - Rupert Murdoch - our local boy - sorry about that. Literally here from Adelaide. It was Australias first cable subscription service that arrived in the early late 1990's 2000's. It was expensive and very slow to be subscribed to. They promoted it as being able to have hundreds of channels - but most were rubbish and didnt have what we wanted - ie: high demand syndicated series that cost money. ANd much of what was available to the US and UK market was just not available in AUstralia. Foxtel promised to be the answer to that -but they turned out to be rubbish too. When we first subscribed in 2006, the subs were $70 per month, which was more than telephone and basic internet at the time. SO Aussies got used to buying huge collections of DVD's rather than miss out on what they wanted to watch, and not pay for what they didnt want to watch. Ppl got sick of free to air and foxtel didnt really deliver on the high demand series - so we all resorted to buying huge DVD collections. Even now Australia doesnt have the full range of streaming services and whats available in the UK is not avail here on the same channel - acorn being a prime example. Drives us nuts. The only platform that equalised TV viewing Australia with the rest of the worlld was Netflix. Now in the last couple of years lots of other channels have become available - but no one TV is programmed to take them all. We cant get Disney, but our son can. We also cant get Acorn or BBC channels. It just sucks the whole TV world. SO much of what the US watches all the time has never been shown here and if it is - its on channels not everyone can access. Its just bollocks. sorry. rant over!
23:00 So The De-Militarized Zone
The following is all from "in-show" information. I am excluding comics, books, games, "beta canon" and anything not at DS9 season 2 or VGR season 1.
In the 2330s, there was a military coup on Cardassia - and a quasi-fascistic military dictatorship took over. It is still in power to this day.
In the 2350s the Cardassian Empire / Union and the United Federation of Planets had a conflict. It has been described as "The Skirmishes", "The Border Wars" and "The War". Given the size and strength we see of the Federation and Cardassians in TNG and DS9, it seems that whilst the conflict was *relatively* minor - meaning the UFP were not trying to invade Cardassia Prime and the Cardassians were (presumably) just after a couple of systems here and there for resources - they were never a direct threat to the Federation itself. But to those taking part in the conflict, especially something called "The Setlik III Massacre" - referenced many times in TNG and DS9 - it was hell.
Apparently the Cardassians were kind of brutal - using underhanded techniques etc. Very violent. Fake surrenders etc.
Anyway by the time TNG itself starts (2363) they've been at peace a few years.
The Peace Treaty - the thing the Maquis and Colonists are up in arms about - the whole situation is as follows:
The Cardassians and Federation have made an agreement where by they are swapping various systems (territory) with the other. This is for . Geopolitical. Territorial. Whatever.
Some of these planets have colonies on them - on both sides. Both sets of colonists were warned not to settle there but they did anyway. Now some have been there 10 years etc - built lives and families.
Now, the IMPLICATION is that on the Federation side, "our" guys are just annoying 'freedom' libertarian types - they went out and want to make a home in the wilderness / on the frontier -- but that for the Cardassians, they are purposefully putting Cardassian settlements on disputed planets (even after the treaty) and are then funding them with weapons. The hope is these "redneck cardassians with phasers" will drive out the "hippy doo-gooders" of the federation.
The Cardassian government is funding the cardassians using proxies and inter-mediaries -- whereas the Federation isn't supporting the Maquis themselves, but CLEARLY senior members of starfleet ARE defecting or using influence to divert phasers and torpedoes to the federation settlers - see Commander Hudson -- or in Voyager, Commander Chakotay. Or in TNG, Ro Laren etc.
remember Cardassia being fascist and all that? Well this is why - they always need an enemy, a THEM. Previously it was the Bajorans but now they beat them back (sorry, the Cardassian "withdrew") they have a new "THEM" - The Maquis. So it's useful for them to keep the whole charade going - with the Federation holding its d--k in its hands in the interests of keeping the peace.
The DMZ is a place where neither the Cardassians or the Federation can send in ships, weapons, supplies. It's a blockaded area, basically. There can be incursions by a party but it must be agreed by both sides and usually with an escort. It's to prevent a delicate situation where a Navy ship may have to fire on its own citizens to protect an enemy - or worse, fail or delay to protect an "enemy" civilian ship whilst "protecting" their own side's terrorists ships... etc. The risks are too great someone will get trigger happy or enraged at the wrong moment and ignite a conflict.
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The main Cardassian Empire / Union presence in the area is Gul Evek - he's the dude who keeps showing up. He seems to be in charge of "the Border".
The Starfleet counterpart is Alynna Nechayev, the badass admiral who is always technically right.
DS9 is involved sometimes cos Bajor (the Wormhole) is near Cardassian space.
The Enterprise in TNG is involved a number of times because in season 5 it seems the Enterprise was assigned to the area and Picard's line manager was also Alynna Nechayev. Since Picard fell under Nechayev, he was the one who set Sisko up at the start of the series. He's the middle management for the Cardassian border.
This is why the Cardassians kidnapped him to torture him for information on starfleet battle plans in TNG's Chain of Command.
Sisko's line manager changes from Alynna Nechayev to Admiral Chakotay at some point in season 3 I believe.
In this episode, the Cardassians are trying to frame O'Brien to make it look like he (Starfleet) is directly supporting The Maquis - which will give the Cardassians an excuse to enter the zone and "investigate". And by "investigate" I mean start orbital bombardment of ex Federation colonies. Starfleet will respond in one of two ways - completely ceding the territory, or a war. And the Cardassians know the Federation will NOT start a war - hence if they pull this off, they gain all they ever wanted and more.
Does that help?
Admiral Chekote, but otherwise good summary!
@@alexmckee4683 :p
Hey, great summation! Seeing it just written out even helped me who's been neck deep in Trek since I was a kid.
One thing though, Necheyev is always technically right, but also a total dick 😂
Was wondering why the playlist didn't have season 2 finale went from S2 episode 23,24 to season 3
"You have no idea what's begun here!"
Did she recognise Boone? Or recognise and submit to the Sisko stare?
any ship that can travel at warp is considered a "starship"
46:35 Yep, that was my reaction too! Had never seen anything like that in Star Trek before. Dominion came to play hard ball.
FYI: Alan Oppenheimer is a voice actor famous for voicing Skeletor and Man At Arms in the original 1980s He Man series. The actor who played his first officer is in prison for murdering his wife.
“…and I intend to be ready for them.” Such a great way to tease what’s coming at the opening of Season 3!
Yeah this episode really made me so excited for season 3!
Jeez, that Michael Jace trivia was something else lol
let's not forget the voice of Falkor from Never Ending Story also he played quite a few a roles on Hogans Heroes and Nightcourt to name a few.
After meeting the Jem'Hadar, I think it is safe to say that we have reached one of the best narrative threads in all Star Trek history (in my humble opinion). It's been good so far, get ready for a level-up.
This is Peak Star Trek
Okay, more important than anything else in this episode...
You gotta get yourself some jambalaya to eat.
I would say being Canadian might excuse him from not knowing jambalaya, but otoh he doesn't know how to pronounce Maquis either, so that excuse is invalidated, and he must now visit New Orleans to rectify the situation.
44:30
you use it like that when it doesn't have a stun setting and you don't want to kill anyone.
The Odyssey and Enterprise-D are both Galaxy class starships. They reused the TNG bridge set for the Odyssey as well.
Please keep your hands and arms inside the car at all times. The ride has now officially BEGUN
As others have mentioned it really picks up from here.
Omfg NOW I know where I’ve seen Alan Oppenheimer before. Yes, I know all about his voice work but he sports a mustache in my memory and I just realized it was from his supporting role in Riding with Death, that tv pilot movie that was featured on MST3K! 😂
Miles should be happy they didn't ask him how many lights he sees.
LOL the disappointment when you realize that's not the enterprise. Crushed dreams
I hope DS9's first look at the Dominion was everything you hoped it would be. I'm a little late to your channel, but when I saw not only that you're reacting to DS9 (my favorite Trek show), and also that you just met the Jem'Hadar for the first time, I knew I had to subscribe to catch your reactions to the whole show! And a lot of stuff that might seem weird makes more sense in hindsight. The Jem'Hadar tried to beat SIsko with their guns rather than shoot because they had to put on a good show so that it wouldn't look like they let Eris get away. And sending on of their ships on a suicide run... That means that they have the ability to send that kind of message without losing much. Maybe this wasn't one of their tougher ships, or maybe they just have a whole lot of them, or maybe someone else in the Dominion told them to do it? It's an effective message, all the same, doing a kamikaze run on a ship that could very well have been the Enterprise if things had been a bit different. Also, Eris... That's the name of the Greek Goddess of Discord, famously responsible for starting the Trojan War, if I recall correctly. Regardless, I hope you enjoy what is yet to come. All I'll say is what you've already been told: You have no idea what's begun here! ~_^
Ds9 was ahead of it's time. Greatly enjoy watching you watch it for the first time.
Cardassian Judge Judy must be ruling the airwaves
The Dominion is, to me, the most dangerous of all the enemies of the Federation. Not even the Borg were as scary as the Dominion. I am glad we are here finally!!
Both serve as effective anti-Federations. They're multi-species, highly advanced factions, that operate on very different philosophies. The Borg assimilate through technological means, continually adapting to and conquering everyone around them in order to become better, but making use of everyone and everything they assimilate, and everyone becomes an interchangeable cog in the machine. The Dominion appropriately enough dominates, through force, and has a rigidly hierarchical system of who does what job and who must obey who. The Federation is trying to simply convince their neighbors to join them peacefully, and they follow a philosophy taken from the Vulcans, of infinite diversity in infinite combinations. They're okay with letting all the various species kind of do their own thing and maintain their own separate and unique cultures, as long as they agree to some basic principles of not imposing their will on others. For all the talk of the Federation being space socialism, it's much more like libertarianism: they follow the Non-Aggression Principle and people aren't forced to contribute in any way to the collective good. There's no space taxes. The Borg are a better analogy for socialism in practice; everyone gets a job assigned to them and everyone must provide for the community with the output of their labor. And the Dominion are definitely fascist, with its cult-like worship of its leaders and unyielding focus on doing whatever the state requires.
@@fakecubed Like I said, they are the scariest of all of the enemies "to me". The Borg are definitely a scary damn race, until Voyager watered them down.
"No, they're dead. Haha, this is so cool." 😂
I remember having the same shocked reaction the first time i saw this episode. This happened and then a few months later we lost the Enterprise D in Generations. It was a fairly traumatic year to my childhood. LOL
Just think, the suicide run on the USS Odyssey might be the least aggressive thing the Jem Hadar does...
How do you deal with a species that makes Klingons look like Ewoks by comparison?
FYI, you left this one out of your DS9 playlist. I was super confused when it jumped from 2x24 to 3x1. ;)
Thank you for letting me know!!
6:58 There are a lot of "O'Brien Suffer" episodes. This is neither the last nor the worst among them!
From now on this show is going to become one hell of a ride. 👍
As for "Star Ship" vs "Star Cruiser"
There is a bit of ambiguity in the meanings here. The literal words don't have much difference. Ship implies any vessel while Cruiser literally just means a vessel that can "Cruise" or travel about with consistent speed and power. However, Cruiser is typically a term used to denote Warships. Cruisers are typically - though, not specifically - ships of the line with an emphasis on Speed and Firepower over other aspects like Armor. The Galaxy Class has, in some situations, been called a Battleship. At the time it was put into mass service, it is the largest and most heavily armed and armored ship in Starfleet. However, Galaxies also have some notorious weak points. Their massively over-built Engineering sections and Nacelles are very fragile, and if you think about it... almost every time you've seen a Galaxy die (Including the Enterprise) it's because of damage to those big, sensitive Engines. Considering the massive Engine output of the Galaxy, and the fact it's Armor is actually not that much higher than any other Federation ship of the line, it could technically be classed as a Cruiser. In fact, by turn of the next century, the Galaxies still in service are relegated to the role of "Exploration Cruisers". Yes, in 40 years, they'll still be using the good old Galaxy.
Is it a Star Ship? Yes! Is it a Star Cruiser? It can be!
Oh just wait. Just wait. It gets sooo dang good from here on.
Here comes the big story arc. Seasons 3 and 4 are a tour de force. Best trek imo.
Continuity & Production Errors:
TRIBUNAL (IMDb rating: 7.6)
7:21 When O'Brien has his molar removed, a camera pan reveals that he's still wearing boxers when he's supposed to be naked.
THE JEM'HADAR (IMDb rating: 8.5 Highest of season 2)
37:04 When Sisko begins to take the collar off of Eris, why does it look like he's unbuttoning her blouse?
Smooth move, Sisko. 😉
This episode, the Jem hadar, is where the show actually starts. I absolutely love it
No. Don't disrespect what came before, especially this exceptional season two.
@@Hibbs4Prez I don't mean It was bad or shouldn't count, I look at it as preamble
The show really starts to pick itself up from here.
Show kicks ass with Dominion storyline!
Oh and also…we should prob hold off on trying jumping jacks on cam until you watch some instructional videos on fitness 😂
Great antagonists make for the best storytelling and DS9 has some of the best in the History of television. Not only do we get the Dominion and their related leaders but we already had Dukat and Win too and they're all different and completely fleshed out characters.
Stargate SG1 had some brilliant long runnings villains too.
Eris was my favorite Vorta in the entire show.
1) Now both actors who portrayed Skeletor in the '80s have appeared in this series (Minsiter Jaro and Captain Keogh)
2) The Boone actor (John Beck) and Odo actor (René Auberjonois) were both in the disaster spoof "The Big Bus" (1976)
3) this was when TNG ended, so the use of a Galaxy-class partly symbolised that DS9 was coming out from under its shadow
4) Quark is a whiny bitch when latinum isn't being shoveled into his pocket, and the fact he didn't seem to receive any serious punishment after he aided persons who tried to steal the Dax symbiont and endanger Jadzia, I'm surprised he still has his precious lobes.
I feel like the Odyssey was pulling its punches. A Galaxy class starship can unload firepower very fast. I feel like if they had just let loose they would have won that fight.
Got one word for you for season 3... "Defiant". 😎
- You call it O’Brien Suffers, I call it O’Brien Goes Through Hell lol but totally same difference. And yes, no spoilers but there will be plenty more of those episodes 😂
- First time I watched the Jem Hadar episode, the woman spy also fooled me. Looking forward to seeing you learn more about The Dominion and The Founders.
- Come on, man! You’ve never heard of Jambalaya??? It’s a famous Louisiana Creole/Cajun dish. Try it, you might like it.
I’ll have to give jambalaya a try!!
Just because you say "no spoilers" doesn't give you license to reveal spoilers.
You're still revealing information about future episodes.
STOP IT!
I think perhaps one of the reasons O'Brien isn't tortured much in this episode is precisely because Picard proved quite resistant to torture.
Also because they weren't looking for any intell...
*THERE ARE 3 LIGHTS*
@@poolhall9632 4. He wanted him to say 5.
So it begins... oh wait, that's from another series. Still relevant though. Star Cruiser is technically correct Galaxy Class would classify as a heavy cruiser or a battle cruiser, although Trekkies usually just say Starship.
The Galaxy Class ships are mega powerful but their design flaw is too much dependence on their shields. You bring them down or find a way to bypass them, then the ship can be taken out too easy.
39:27 Jake and O'Brien's engineering callback - you'll find DS9 does that a lot. It's why it's such a great show. I hate to be one of those "they don't make them like they used to" but... see with today's serialisation, you have 10-13 episodes to do the entire plot - which is worked out at the start of the season. Episode 1 we'll be covering X, episode 2 will be covering Y etc. It's built like a jenga or lego house - a piece at a time.
Syndicated shows like TNG are the exact opposite - such that you can basically tune in at any point in the show (in re-runs) and it won't matter - each episode has a beginning, middle and an end.
DS9 (and a couple of contemporaries - Babylon 5, The X-Files and Buffy the Vampire Slayer come to mind) rides this line - pretty much each season has an opening 2 parter, a middle 2 parter and an ending 2 parter. Those are the episodes that carry the "arc" for the season / show, and the middle bits are "filler".
However with DS9 you get the extra / add-on that the "filler" episodes also contribute in some small way - usually a throw away line here or there by some character is called back another episode or season, even if it didn't seem consequential at the time.
A good example here is The Dominion itself - it's mentioned, I think, twice before - once by a Dosi Merchant (Quark and the female Ferengi were trading with them) and once by the Skreean refugee leader. There may be another mention earlier in the season. There was no massive build up - there was no "whispers from beyond..." there was no big mystery - just BLAM here's The Dominion - and the clues were dotted around enough that it isn't a total surprise.
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42:00 Your face lighting up and your "THE ENTERPRISE!" followed by the most heartfelt let down of all time. "Wait.. you're not captain Picard though :(" Honestly had the same emotion to it as a kid finding out its pet kitty has mysteriously changed shape after going missing for 2 days. "IT'S BUTTONS! Wait... button's didn't have a brown ear... ? :("
As an aside, this episode aired shortly after Star Trek Generations had been at the cinemas - that's the one where the Enterprise-D crash lands.
The writers specifically opted for a Galaxy class starship, as it was felt viewers would be familiar with how strong / powerful they were thanks to TNG; they took on The Borg and the Romulans! etc To see one getting blown away at the end was meant to assist with the impression of how dangerous The Dominion is - and that basically even if it had been Picard and Worf and Data etc - they wouldn't have won that battle either - technology and clever technobabble doesn't help when they will happily kamikaze your largest space vessels.
EDIT: WARNING - long ramble about the production of the show and galaxy class ships...
I believe this was the last footage of the TNG Enterprise model filmed for Star Trek. All subsequent footage of Galaxy class ships are CGI or refuse of stock footage. This episode marks the last "live action" use of the TNG model before it was sold off for I think $500,000 at auction several years later.
There were six Galaxy class starships originally constructed and many are seen in DS9 and VGR throughout their runs. There were six other Galaxy class hulls built but not assembled at this time in the show.
The Original Six:
USS Galaxy (Alive as of Star Trek Nemesis - 2379)
USS Enterprise-D (Destroyed in Star Trek Generations - 2371)
USS Odyssey (Destroyed in this episode - 2372)
USS Venture (featured in DS9 season 4 - no spoilers about its status)
USS Challenger (featured in a VGR episode Timeless. Alive as of 2380s. Technically an alternate timeline but the ship wasn't the thing that had been changed and was there in the original timeline)
USS Yamato (Destroyed in Star Trek TNG season 2 - Contagion - 2365)
Then there were the other six hulls. These were later built to replace some of the above first generation which had suffered some losses. We don't all their names but we are aware of:
USS Magellan - featured in DS9 season 6.
USS Syracuse - featured in Star Trek Picard season 3.
The other four are un-named but may include USS Madison and was possibly destroyed in Star Trek: First Contact
There is also evidence that a Galaxy Class Ship was destroyed at Wolf 359 - Admiral Hansen was on a Galaxy Class bridge set - however the ship name is not spoken and it was possibly the USS Melbourne, a Nebula class ship which shares some architecture with Galaxy class ships.
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45:20 "Breaking through the shields of a Galaxy class starship". You can't "out-tech" them by re-routing the plasma coil through the warp core to fix the situation. For the first time in Star Trek's history, the Federation is facing an equal - and in some worrying ways including certain technologies and science, a superior - adversary.
Sure, we've had The Borg as an existential threat but they're far away. The Federation has faced the Klingons and Romulans, each, before - and come out on top each time. By this point in the galaxy's history, the United Federation of Planets is a Major Galactic Power. It's the Dominant Culture of "That Part of the Galaxy". They've never actually met "An Equal" which is Just As Established and Just As Advanced. The Romulans are too paranoid and hide away, the Klingons inevitably burn themselves out each time etc. The Dominion is the first time in the Federations history it's met its match and it's can't talk, fight or tech their way out as they normally can and carry on the next week as if nothing happened.
They're an Anti-Federation.
I can't really give any spoilers for future stuff - but we learn about their internal society ... a bit. Snippets from characters here and there, and stuff we can piece together as a result. But I can promise you that The Dominion is not a two-dimensional "big bad bully" that's evil for no reason. They have their reasoning, their logic and their own geography and societal history - and their own interactions with their neighbours as they grew up. The Federation got lucky, all things considered. Whilst the Klingons and Romulans and Cardassians were initially hostile, they were able to be "dealt with", mostly amicably.
The Dominion creators - the Founders - they were not so lucky, and took a different path.
They really are one of scifi's more "nuanced" societies out there.
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51:55 "What do you call it - star cruiser, star ship ?" - honestly mate, anyone watching this will know what you mean if you use any phrase along those lines. In-Universe (puts on glasses), pretty much all space vessels are referred to as "Starship". "Starship" (one word) is, or was, a Trek-specific word that Roddenberry liked as it differentiated from the more generic "spaceship".
The USS Odyssey (and Enterprise-D from TNG) are both Galaxy Class Starships.
Galaxy class starships were meant to be "exploration cruisers", if it helps.
The TOS Enterprise was described by Klingons as a "battlecruiser".
There's ships later in DS9 and in other shows that are given names "destroyers", "cruisers", "battleships" but I can't really be specific as spoilers / too nerdy.
The Jem'Hadar ships you saw in this episodes are called "Fighters" btw. They are approx 10-15 times larger than a Runabout.
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53:00 specifically on the shield penetration. As u'll remember in Generations, when the Klingons knew the "frequency" of the shields they could shoot through it. The Borg also use this technique for their weapons to break through shields. There's a couple of other times in Trek where it's mentioned - if you know the frequency (in Hz) of the shield of your target, you can fire through it or transport it as if the shield is not up.
In this episode, Dax specifically asks them if they tried "altering [their] harmonics" - Keogh replies that they had run "across the entire spectrum" but that "none of the frequencies were effective".
Star Trek has a problem - technobabble. The problem isn't that it exists. It's that sometimes it's meaningless gibberish to get the plot moving, other times it's 100% 'science' that is critical to the underlying story logic - and the problem is that we, the viewer, are not aware of which it is (meaningless throw aways, or mission critical information that the story logic hinges on).
In this case, it's mission critical. We're being told that whatever weapons the Jem'Hadar ships are using, they are able to negate shields and the enemy either has the capability to determine their frequency "live" and are adapting their weapons on the fly as the Odyssey is spamming its keyboard trying to randomise its frequencies, or the weapon they are using does not depend on frequencies at all - which rules out nearly any/all energy and particle beam based weapons - because all of those have a frequency.
Either option - that the enemy can "see" their own weapons settings, or that their weapons simply bypass shields - is a disaster. Remember these mofos regularly swinging phasers and antimatter around like it's nothing. Without any shields at all, you're at a serious disadvantage in a fire fight. These idiots put WINDOWS on their spaceships. With curtains and shelves in them! You think that can tank a single torpedo without shields lol?
And it's all in a small throw away line hidden among the noise - but its consistent with all previous "frequency" and "shield" law.
But to answers your question - yeah basically The Dominion are Advanced (TM).
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55:05 "Incredible stuff" season 4 has what I think is the largest collection / compositing of physical models put to screen outside of motion pictures - in some frames over 70 elements at once. No spoilers - i said elements not spaceships :p But it was in 1995/6 - around the peak of cinema model work and the transition into CGI - this was the point in history when model and camera work was at its peak.
2 seasons in and he already knows Obrain must suffer.
The battle was amazing because it also showed us how powerful are Galaxy Class starships. 3 Dominion ships were attacking it, penetrating their shields, and still they were resisting with the ship´s armor and managing to get back to the Alpha Quadrant. If not for the suicide attack, they would have reached DS9 without any doubt.
Wow what an intro
Thank You!
Oh my… I wish I could watch this series for the first time again! Loving your watch through!
Sure, the security barrier will kill you... Because thats what you want from a barrier designed to hold prisoners who you kept alive in one place because you obviously want alive for information or other reasons (otherwise you'd have killed them already) and give them the opportunity to kill themselves before you extract the information you wanted to hold them for.
I'm not sure we can really trust that the barrier was actually lethal. The whole thing was a set-up to get Eris planted in the Alpha Quadrant, to do who knows what. Everything about it was carefully planned and staged, even the Jem'Hadar not shooting his weapon and letting himself get killed during the escape.
An interesting point about Odo when he was helping Chief Obrien is that he wouldn't be surprised if Obrien actually did it and he doesn't exactly love the federation either. But he'll do the right thing and expect justice if the Chief is innocent.
Quark's speech to Sisko about the Ferengi would've been great if we didn't already know that half of Ferenginar are pretty much slaves...
I never caught this but "our first vacation in 5 years"? Sweeties, you got married less than 5 years ago was your last vacation while you were still dating??
Thanks, Oliver! 🖖 So many clues have been leading to this... and it'll take years to play out. ෴ Avery Brooks and Kim Friedman directed these two. So much great storytelling yet to come!
That's a great finale! With that set-up, there's no way you'll quit watching the show XD
You will be surprised to find out who is a Founder if you have not found out yet
Jake's pronunciation of "jambalaya" is possibly the only thing in this show that's worse than "Move Along Home".