The LAST SUN Workstation Made: Sun Ultra 45 Overview (UltraSparc IIIi)
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- Anyone who's ever been to a college campus has likely seen at least one Sun UNIX workstation with Solaris at some point. These were everywhere, a relic of the times when nerds were interested in UNIX and tech and not hoarding plastic crap they bought on Amazon.
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This video shows why Sun died. Once X86/64 hardware became good enough, you could purchase 3 or 4 Dell servers running RedHat for the price of one Sun Sparc Server, and it was faster than the Sun machine.
Exactly its an inefficient POS with a rip off G5/Mac Pro design....
@@mycomputergl0wsblu don’t bash on Sun like that, it was good *for the time*
1) Get the Sun Blade 2500 Silver. Same CPU, better machine all the way around. 2) you needed to be able to buy 4 x86 boxes because 4 will die long before the Sun will even begin to show it's age. 3) Solaris is a real Unix, though admittedly not as elegant as Sun OS 4 was. 4) The internet _was_ Sun until Oracle forced people to make do with x86 crap by killing Sun. That was almost as big a loss as when DEC, SGI, Symbolics and LMI went away.
It's your father's Workstation. This is the weapon of a real hacker. Not as clumsy or as random as a PC, but an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.
if you run your business on it you want reliable iron.
@@mycomputergl0wsbluit's actually Mac ripping off sun not sun ripping off apple..
I used to be a huge Solaris fan, until Oracle came along and mucked everything up. That's when I turned to linux and never looked back.
How about illumos?
@@calvinkulit What about it?
@@cnoyes72 It's basically a fork of OpenSolaris
R.I.P Sun microsystems. Sun is in our heart
Suns...SGI...the good old days. Like good old high school memories.
Love Sun workstations, always have. They're so elegantly designed and you can work on them virtually without tools. They also ran a seriously good Unix O/S, absolutely bulletproof.
Back in the late 90's early 2k I worked at one of Sun's Data Centers in Colorado.
When I was at the university a researcher had a sun workstation and we could only watch him messing around with a "real UNIX". For the rest of us we only had a few PCs running Windows and a Linux server which we could login using Telnet and it ran like molasses. At home I had a Compaq Presario 486 running DOS. I wish I still had this computer.
Didn't you even consider installing Linux on your 486 back then?
what can you do with this workstation. Other than learning Unix, java etc. ? I assume they must be slow compared to Intel CPUs.
When I worked at Sun, I had an Ultra 60 as my daily. I somehow kept it when they moved everyone over to the dumb terminals powered by the E10ks.
Loved my U60. Also had a U10. They moved them all into the Data Center and gave us SunBlade 100’s. Then management got pissy and they pulled our blades and made us use puTTY and X emulators.
Love the way they designed cooling system ,simple and finesse just blowing straight trough .
Hi mate, as a bit of a Unix nerd. I've always wanted one of these. The case is so slick, I think they also did an X86 in the same case until 2010ish?? I'd love to have my main rig in this case, would be fun trying to get my normal X86 gear in there. Anyway rambling, Unix forever - it is great that Sun open sourced Solaris before they died, Was their last hurrah - now we have open source proper Unix.
This machine is indeed beautifully made. I have an Ultra 10 and just received a new NVRAM chip for it. It is the Creator 3d model running Solaris 9. I wonder if I can get a higher version of Solaris to run on my Ultra 10? You are so right about the iPhone invasion ruining computing. EVERYTHING goes for "crazy prices" on eBay.
Probably long since irrelevant, but all the Sun4u machines except for the Ultra 1 can run Solaris 10. That said, you want a ton of RAM for it ,which the U10 doesn't have. I'd stick with 9.
the harder you hit the return key the more pro you are.
and now lets open the terminal and get some work done. :D great machine.
❤Sun Netra, where I started learning Unix. Back in 2000, found out there is a speaker hidden inside that unsimiling server! out of curiosity I converted some MP3 to AU format and somehow managed to copy that into the server and if remember correctly, played it loud using 'sox'... such a satisfying moment.
It was my childhood dream to get an Sun Ultra with CDE. Unfortunately those were rather .. expensive and the only thing I managed to buy was a Sparcstation 5.
I loved the CDE GUI. there is a port of that for BSD and BSD runs on SPARC64
@@donaldwilliams6821
CDE drools, Open Look rules.
Just finished putting one of these workstations back in service to support a project that doesn't have the money to update their code! Solaris 10. I've been working with Sun hardware since the IPX days.
Nice, I got a Blade 2500 up and running recently. Not sure if I should make a video on it though.
I've never had one of these but we did have an nmr instrument in chemistry lab that ran on a Sun 5. I have an Indigo 2 that I built up with all the bells and whistles and its been packed up in my garage for over 15 years. With COVID stay at home I am tempted to fire it up for fun again. When I had it running I was using a static IP address and did not shut off sendmail. I noticed that my disk space was running lower each month and then figured out that someone had hacked it and there were thousands of emails on it advertising viagra sales. Actually my internet company said I had too much traffic and that alerted me to the problem. That was before they required DHCP for internet. Although I have the 50lb monitor that came with it I just bought a 13W3 cable with dip switches on it so I can run a flatscreen monitor instead. Looking forward to the SGI bootup chime!
These machines were soooo well built. I have 4 of them that are no longer in use and I am coming to grips that I need to take them to the recycling center. Time moves on! :-)
They are real things of beauty! I know its been a while since you commented but do you still have your machines? I would love to buy one off you (even if its non functional!) if your planning on scrapping them.
@@bibostin1182 Hi there. Sorry I did not see your reply until now. Are you still looking for these?
Emery Rudolph so you still have them?
Envy... Gorgeous machine indeed.
I used a Sun workstation at one stage of my career. I don't miss it.
I remember going through the same sort of slowness with my IntelliStation POWER 285 redrawing the browser screen. Basically, the older versions of Firefox had some sort of acceleration for redrawing the screen, whereas the newest I could run there (the venerable Firefox 3.6) painfully paint the screen against the framebuffer every second.
But after debugging it a bit, I saw that the act of processing HTML and loading pages actually runs quite fast.
And yes, I unboxed a new IntelliStation POWER 285 years ago and it is SUPER LOUD. Perfect with noise-cancelling headphones though.
Oh hello there Mr Shiunbird :) You make great videos dude, super underrated.
@@hangvo9515 I'm very glad you like them. =)
Holy shit..wow this looks so modern and beautiful
Man, those guys who designed this case could easily created a company and made so much money.
I wish sun was still around. I really want one of these machines, but alas theyre incredibly expensive for the performance. I wish they never died at the hands of oracle, so much needs to be undone.
Nice, I might have more fun with this workstation than my SGI Indigo 2 , but in reality not sure what I can do with any of these old workstations other than live in the past.
Pretty awesome.
what a beautiful machine and OS...
Wonderful development systems.
Not entirely sure, but those connectors look more like SAS, with that bulge in the middle, where SATA would have a gap. That of course means that you could run SATA drives in it.
Yes, unlike the Ultra40 and like the Ultra 40M2 which used the same case, the ultra 45 had an LSI MPT adapter onboard. The 40 still used the same SAS drive backplane despite having only SATA built-in. There was a kit with additional drive backplane board and two cables to add an additional four SAS bays in the '40 w/ pci-e adapter, '40M2 and '45.
I never had one of these. The newest Sun that I had was a Blade 2500, which was a generation earlier. It was a nice machine, but obsolete when I sold it.
Very cool!
Today is the first day of my sun ultra 40 as a desktop 🙂two dual opterons do the job .will max out the ram as soon as I get my hands on the right ram sticks.
That is a thing of beauty
@20:10 "the iphone would change computing for the worse... in my opinion"
He's not wrong
Not only computing, but society to some extend.
I think wireless internet everywhere and small devices like the iPhone as a combination (destroyed) "changed" the internet because everybody was online all the time. Before that, people were online at home or at work. And even then not all the time but only when they were working on/with the computer. But the new internet made this superficial stuff like social media and massive online shops that sell everything possible and approachable for everybody. It had to happen that way. But it destroyed the romantic internet of the 80s and 90s. And people became basically addicted to a lot of the stuff.
Solaris 10 will swap itself sick on 2GB of RAM. I found this with a pair of Blade 2000s I used to have - one had dual US-III/900s and 2GB, the other dual US-III/1200 and 16GB. The second one was *much* faster in interactive performance than the 30% increased clock speed would imply. The dual 900 lugged and lagged running Firefox - hell, X in general was slow, except for basic stuff in CDE. The dual 1200 was quite usable. Both were running Solaris 10 update 11 with XVR-1000 graphics cards.
Dual CPUs also make a difference, my Blade 2500 is snappier when it's loaded because of the dual CPUs. I might get more CPUs for my SS20 as well but I'm not too attached to that.
Do you by chance have a copy of the latest (1.6?) BIOS for the Ultra 40 m2? Oracle is no help :P
Looks like a return to form after the more cheaply built Sun Blade 2500.
Argueably, the last 'real' Sun boxes are the final ones built on the SBUS architecture. Is there anything after an Ultra-2? Sadly, it has been 18 years since I've run any of my boxes.
Proprietary Unix's died because of Linux. Why spend twice as much for a Sparc Machine when you can get a Dell Running RedHat for a third of the cost? The Mac also probably played a part in that too, you could at the time get a Mac for half the price of a Sparc based machine, and the Mac can run MS Office and other commercial software.
FYI, the XVR-2500 isn't even a Sun design. It's a 3DLabs Wildcat Realizm 500 with OpenFirmware. Sun's last bespoke design was the XVR-1000 I think, though the XVR-600/1200 might have been commissioned by Sun even though they used off-the-shelf 3DLabs GPUs.
I would love to see this machine using modern hardware on this machine, maybe using a GPU like an Intel Arc A380 or an AMD Radeon RX 6400 (because both graphic cards don´t need external power supply connections), and also an SSD Sata. It could be interesting see the performance that can be reached using new hardware like that 😎
From what I remember Solaris till the very end was co-shipped with JDS and CDE. JDS is no fun. Doesn't the CDE session appear as on option on the login screen?
agree with your opinion on bloatware. they don't seem to consider end user experience.
That Oracle logo is painful
nice i'd love to have one of thoes :)
It certainly is a beauty! And I was raised on IPX's )))
I remember finding a Sun USB keyboard in a Cash Converters store that had the Solaris keys on the left, but also had "PC Keyboard" indicators, and I believe it was the original keyboard that would've went with one of those.
I have a Sun keyboard and it has the worst rubber domes known to man.
What sunk the Unix vendors was Linux obviously, and nVidia graphics and Windows 64 bit. The Windows boxes were cheap and plentiful and very performant and really good at gaming. The Linux variants over time, took over the engineering workstation market. It was sad to see Sun go under and of course SGI. Interestingly, the only Unix variant still around is AIX running as USS on IBM z/OS mainframes. Mac OS is a course still in use also.
In the 90's, John Carmack was a huge NextStep fan and he probably would have stuck with it if he could have had OpenGL on it.
Illumos (the core of Open Solaris) and several distros based on it are still being actively developed.
Oh, and the various flavors of BSD.
I used to use these at work doing chip design.
hey man, are these old sun boxes worth any money? We got a bunch of them laying around at work.
No idea if you even still work at the same place but if you still have them bashing around I would certainly be interested in getting one!
To answer your question it really depends on the model, without going into alot of detail about models there are two main Ultra SPARC IIIi models that people put up, the 24 (A more cost effective model) and the 45 (top of the line for its era) the 24s sell for like £50-120 depending on condition wheras 45s can range from £50-350 Ish in my expirience, there are a couple of listings online in the 1000s for the 45 but thats mostly due there being a real small supply of em (gourgers.) A bit late but hope that helps bud :)
Where do you live? I’ll come with my pickup truck and load all your sun boxes
@@abdullahal-shimri3091 Kuwait
The iPhone ruined computing. Thank you for that, I needed a good laugh today.
A few weeks ago I was at a grocery store/Wal-Mart and I saw some mom bragging about how great the phone because she could just let her kid use it and he/she would just shut up instead of begging her to buy stuff, and her kid was playing Roblox.
There are also a lot of Roblox scandals.
I guess these are the most collectible - dvi monitors, usb keyboard, no proprietary stuff to track down and spend top dollar for.
yeah you are right it's a beauty... but because intel and amd made huge amount of crappy x86 they had more money and more chance to use newer lithography
I am starting to Sunderstand something now.
beautifull beast SPARC machine , Beutifull like the mac G5
What is the relevance of the machine? What is the selling feature?
I remember when the Sun Ultra Sparc CPU's at 500mhz were destroying 1.5MHZ Intel X86 CPU's.... shame Sun and their platform didn't continue to grow and lead.
Fujitsu still sells SPARC computers, they even made top ranked super computers through the mid teens.
It's suprisingly more quiet than SGI Tezro.
If you want to know how and why the Solaris and hardware engineers left, look up Bryan Cantrill, he's done several talks about it.
Does this run Solaris 11?
does this machine require some commands and stuff knoweldge? because ive got none lol but im interested in getting one myself
Shell language is a must, then maybe some Perl, C, C++, java.
@@brotherfiretribe9566 ah then not for me I know nothing about coding
Anyone who's ever been to a college campus has likely seen at least one Sun UNIX workstation with Solaris at some point. These were everywhere, a relic of the times when nerds were interested in UNIX and tech and not hoarding plastic crap they bought on Amazon.
What is the diference between a server, a workstation and a desktop?
A server is usually used for hosting services. A workstation can come in a Rackmount or a Desktop form factor. Rackmount is what a server uses and Desktop is what you would call a more traditional PC. A Workstation is a machine typically used for any range of heavy work i.e. graphics, 3d, video editing etc... A desktop is a machine more likely used for traditional tasks such as office work, web browsing or gaming.
salam from an island near australia and new zealand
This was the last Sun SPARC workstation. What was the last Intel-based Sun workstation?
The hell is that watch you have
its both disgusting and beautiful at the same time
Is that a 2017 copyright date I am seeing at 6:30 ?
yes
@@pawsinmyface4560 So the firmware and / or operating system has been at least partially kept up to date
I’m still using my old SS5, although only as a terminal to control my actual workstations/servers. Powerful as my new Xeon HP stuff is, the keyboard is sssooooooooo much nicer on the Sun. I despise how people write code today, I’m always bollocking people for writing sloppy terse shit code, I don’t give a fuck if there is mountains of cpu cycles and storage. That’s why stuff crashes all the time these days, personally I won’t stand for it 😡😂
Looks great for installing Debian.
14:24 as a Windows XP x64 Edition user, I'm offended.
Can you do the entire video again, with a version of Solaris that does not show the ugly "Oracle" logo ?
Seriously..
why they died?
Easy, inm the top days of workstations (1987-95) PCs were 10x slower, and we had a non-multitasking Windows 3 and later 95. And maximum pixel size was what...640x480? On the mac side there was a large address space, but an obsolete os.
Workstations had the address space and os-robustness needed to run large CAD software, develop RDMBS applications, etc.
When this particular Sparcstation came out PCs had a real multitasking and robust OS, address space was not limited, they were as fast and costed maybe 10x less. And they could connect to large screen with a huge amount of pixels.
No IT manager would buy a workstation anymore.
PS: do you run any other channels ? Your voice sound familiar.
I installed the last version of Solaris that'll run on here, 10 with a patch pack. I put this away in storage for now since I had no reason to use it.
consumer market developed so much, $2k-$3k was all you needed for the best possible desktop machine. no more high-end market.
Messiest Desktop of the Year Award! (j/k)
It's really heavy to pick up!
I miss java desktop system.
there is solaris 11.2 available since 2-3 years, you can update the machine to recent os.
11.4 is the latest, but you might only be able to go to 11.3 if that architecture was removed from 11.4
@@adriansrealm Nope, Solaris 11 removed support for Ultra iii and Ultra IV
Can you watch a youtube video on this computer?
Yes. One can download a TH-cam video with youtube-dl and play it offline.
So playing it directly from the website would not work.
Firefox 52 is a thing on Solaris SPARC but it reaches EOL in September, Firefox Quantum cannot be compiled on the SPARC architecture.
How to enter in bios??
Double press the power button when it flashes.
I need that case for building my gaming pc
no
Damn people must have this pc case that they gave Jake 2 likes no worries Thermaltake Core W100 is my perfect pc case for my new pc this year
They managed to kill this beauty of a hardware.... why and who is the suspect? we need warrants for their arrest.
larry ellison
@@pawsinmyface4560 Oracle CEO Ellison owns a private island, and last week he was stopped by the police.
Still can see SUN Workstation in Semiconductor fabrication plant
VAXes are used there too IIRC
This is when u have reached ultra nerd status.
Any legacy computer is an electronic laboratory for experimental work, dumb friend
I liked it very much how you stated the sofware is becoming more and more bloated and resource hungry. What people don't understand that many of those old workstations were and actually still are more than capable of doing modern stuff but there are no progranmers that know how to optimize code and use smart algorithms, pity and sad, we're running into Idiocrasy movie...
Sometimes it's good, sometimes bad, python is good while bloated while electron is just bad
"...and I get my ass kicked by this UltraSPARC III CPU."
Have my Sun45 here, works fine and i got a PC Emulöator Card. Firefox is evil bloatware. From modern software i expect to not be so ressource hungry like the modern scriptkidz shitty things nowadays. ;)
Not thrilled by the looks, looks a bit like a cross between a PC and a Mac Pro of the era. Best looking Suns were the beautifully minimalist pizza box sparcstations 1,2,10 and the rare as hell SLC which was Sun's $5000 iMac from 1990
Hi folks. I´ve got one Ultra 45 in beautiful shape and no usage for it. Anybody interested?
I would be interested if you are still trying to get rid of it! been a while now though so I imagine probably not.
Just was looking at the T2000 sunfire server it had a 1.2ghz cpu with 8 cores and 32 threads totally overkill for 2005 bet it wasnt very good in real world use though?
There is something seriously wrong there. When you consider that machine was intended to run programs like CATIA and run calculations for oil exploration and economic simulations it should not be having any problem at all with a poxy browser.
Modern web browsers are bloated garbage, they try to implement an OS in the browser almost.
You should read this post on the why they're this way and why there will never be a new browser: drewdevault.com/2020/03/18/Reckless-limitless-scope.html
@@pawsinmyface4560 have you cecked out mypal? its a clean old browser maintained and updated, does it run on that os?
French Developer Dusselt CATIA also run on an IBM AIX. No sure if Catia is OS dependent or independent. Those were the days.
can your camera shake more? -_-
Wow.The desktop environment looks like Win XP.
These are interesting but for a little bit more money nowadays you can get a dual Xeon HP840 running Win or any LInux distro, a better choice unless you want Solaris to play around with. In the 90s I was even able to install Solaris on a Mac Centris. 610.
so jealous .. lol
rip Sun Microsystems.
SunOS , Solaris, OpenSolaris
"It's a UNIX System , I know this.."
Actually, that particular scene from Jurassic Park refers to SGI's IRIX and its FSN - file system navigator;)
Give it liquid cooling
Beautiful PCs are nothing but a beautiful door stop. It was a slow system for its time. If they were that great sun microsystems would have bought oracle
Geeks run Oracle's Solaris in an Oracle Virtual Box on a Raspberry pi :-)
Thank God for double speed playback on TH-cam.
Uncool running without nvram
hahahaha, dont spend too many time on hipster browsers.... "what can we expect from a cpu...."
Radeon
What is it with consoles? Remember the 80s, when a 1mhz cpu had no problems scrolling at 30fps? Why is openboot so comically slow? Same thing with linux and freebsd frame buffer console. Unusable garbage.
Kinda a disappointment of a machine considering- that desktop env is trash. But I'd be interested to know what kind of heavy work was being done on these in their time.
I know of at least one SCADA system that was based around Solaris. I worked at a coal fired power station and their Level 2 was Solaris based. also used for things like the back end to ERPs like SAP.
Is anyone else cringing when they look at the mess in front of the keyboard?