Played a turbo game as Treant and thought I would try that talent out as a po3. Just stacked atk speed. Definitely viable but haven't quite figured out the build
@@xPureAndTheTaintedx not worth it, unless there's nothing else to do. Treant hero design which has had healing as a feature since the beginning, originally had living armor as the healing skill. That responsibility got moved to leech seed skill. Living armor only heals 150 hp over 30 secs. Not worth it. The main feature of living armor is that it gives 10 armor for 30 secs, not the heals. It's main use is to assist in harass and diving during laning, teamfighting and helping carry on other side of map farm jungle before proper sustain items or skills. Current meta is very active with constant rotations thanks to free tp on death and the twin gates. Living armor on tower before heroes is last priority. Or like the guy above me said, when it's under siege.
@@puppy2350 well this is what im basically saying. if you're not using the ability, absolutely use it on towers. So yes, it is worth it, just when the time is right.
I am a Treant player. I have been going Ags on this hero since 2017 and I can honestly say that I believe it's the best Ags upgrade in the game. Let me tell you why. Vision wins games. This spell gives you vision almost wherever you need or want it. You can hit every single creep on the map if you wanted, for spell life steal to survive a fight. You can cover both Roshan pits. You can cover every single spot where a rune spawns. You can be a better watcher(?) than any of the four that are. You can get vision OVER THEIR FOUNTAIN. You can get vision over ANY ward spire. You can get vision that covers fog of war. The spell let's your team take good fights. It lets you push out creep waves. It lets you get some farm when you spend most of your mana healing allies and casting your spells. It can be used with cooldown reduction to be below 60 seconds which means you can theoretically farm almost every neutral camp every minute one second after they spawn. I don't think I need to keep going. I will though, because somebody reading this wants to start talking about gem of true sight and I want you to know I've been having this conversation for seven years now and you're not ready. Oh, JUST buy a gem, huh? You mean, have your pos 5 spend 900 gold and take up an item slot to go on some perilous and ultimately frivolous side quest? Ok let's assume you get the first 3 or 4 trees that I enchanted. Congratulations. You still have NO WAY of knowing exactly how many I planted unless you know exactly when I bought it, you won't. Also you are risking your life to go and deward and that also gives me and my team a chance to catch you. Also your quelling blade range IS NOT further than my Ultimates AOE so you are going to get Ultd and then we are going to kill you and take the gem. That's how it's going to work. Also, I stress this again because I don't think anyone really thinks about this enough, you will never know if you got all of them, ever. You will never know. The last thing I'm gonna say and I say this with love, but you're all casting living armor wrong. And I'm about to tell you something that's going to make you a better Dota player. You can cast items and abilities by clicking on your Ally or Enemy hero icon at the top of the screen. It still takes into consideration the cast range, but for Living Armor being global cast range, the only stipulation is that he does need to turn to face the ally to heal them. So far the only real situation I've had that matter is when a Medusa is ulting and ive already stared at her for some time and can't turn back around to get the cast animation of living armor off (lol to .01% of games). You can use the hero icon casting to never heal your Phantom Lancer Illusion again. You can now never have to worry about healing a Broodmothers Spiderling, or a Nature's Prophets Treant. Never again will you heal the wrong CK. I just gave you at least 500 MMR. You know that enemy Qop is about to blink at you, why are you trying to Orchid or Euls her with ur mouse you're not that guy. Hover her hero icon n wait til she blinks in = get fkd QoP players. Source: 650 games and 65% winrate.
A lot of this makes sense, I'll just comment that I like buying my own gem as centaur or WK when I see treant aghs, where getting jumped only saves me the bother of blinking myself.
Aghs is great on Treant, but it's also bait sometimes. His Aghs is good, but given that Treant is often played as a support, it's often a monumental waste of gold. Two aspects to this: the vision and the increased ult range. 1) Vision. This is the most important part. Vision is good, great even. Information alone wins games. HOWEVER, you need to actually utilize that vision. So many people don't. Even Immortal players fail to consistently utilize or play around vision. Nevermind the other 99% of the playerbase that exists below that who DEFINITELY don't use it properly. So now you've spend 4.2k on an item that isn't nearly as effective as something that helps tank your team up (Greaves or Pipe) or saves for your team (Glimmer, Force). 2) Ult range. This is definitely nice and a bit easier to play around, but you still have to... play around it. And that's a bit hard/unpredictable. But there's also no guarantee that your team will be in a position to play around your eyes for better ults, or will be willing to. I've fought a few treants when I'm playing with friends that go Aghs and I find it to be fairly easy to actively counteract if someone buys a gem and gives it to the offlaner if they are an offlaner that is doing well or is particularly survivable. Being able to invalidate an expensive purchase like that is incredibly good. It's quite hard to invalidate other typical purchases, but tree Aghs? Not so much.
@@Rasea611 it's very hard to quantify and put a cost analysis on ALL of the better decisions made when the Ags is in play vs how the game star would have been if it's never purchased. Vision wins games.
@@TremoloSoul It does, but team items and save items also win games. It's also much easier and more consistent to play around those items than to play around vision.
Idk, going for Harpoon Dagger maybe? Though Treant isn't tanky so maybe Vanguard, A.C. would be a best move since Treant have 1 lockdown(+1 if aghs shard is present)
with that sort of innate damage a shard echo saber + Daedalus / butterfly build sounds scary. like a sven ulti that you cant detect. why isnt tree played as a 3 with such high damage?
@matthewfornear4076 and how does he get all that item after 7 mins when lane breaks down, plus getting even just echo will take at least 15 mins for him and that's if he is freely farming, movement is slow, attack speed is shite and his only farming skill is slow. It might work for herald, though !
annoys me when he Gets Tree aghs, but never uses it. He got better lategame but there was a good 5-10 mins after he got it it was just sitting on 3 charges.
Scepter acquired at 23:27 First D cast at 23:29 Second D cast at 23:44 Third D cast at 25:36 (right after he respawned) Fourth D cast at 28:03 (ten seconds after he respawned) I get what you're complaining about, and Purge even aknowledged it during the death prior to 4th D, but "never uses it" is too harsh imo
99 starting damage is CRAZY
17:30 "Why am I invis?" its because your roots count as trees now
It's so frustrating to watch laning and then see how easy the kill is at 5 minutes, knowing it was there for so long. Insane recovery though.
Bro, SO frustrating, but then that triple kill!
was more impressed with CK support then the tree lol
Played a turbo game as Treant and thought I would try that talent out as a po3. Just stacked atk speed. Definitely viable but haven't quite figured out the build
Orb of corrosion, phase, orchid, shard, AC.
What do you reckon?
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Should you not use living armor on towers whenever its off cd and youre not actively in a fight?
not worth it. super tiny amounts of heal
@@knkaitlog of course its worth it. you can single handidly keep towers from dropping by pressing 1 button every now and then.
@@xPureAndTheTaintedx only if its under siege/under attack the armor could be huge
@@xPureAndTheTaintedx not worth it, unless there's nothing else to do.
Treant hero design which has had healing as a feature since the beginning, originally had living armor as the healing skill.
That responsibility got moved to leech seed skill.
Living armor only heals 150 hp over 30 secs. Not worth it.
The main feature of living armor is that it gives 10 armor for 30 secs, not the heals.
It's main use is to assist in harass and diving during laning, teamfighting and helping carry on other side of map farm jungle before proper sustain items or skills.
Current meta is very active with constant rotations thanks to free tp on death and the twin gates. Living armor on tower before heroes is last priority. Or like the guy above me said, when it's under siege.
@@puppy2350 well this is what im basically saying. if you're not using the ability, absolutely use it on towers. So yes, it is worth it, just when the time is right.
I am a Treant player. I have been going Ags on this hero since 2017 and I can honestly say that I believe it's the best Ags upgrade in the game. Let me tell you why.
Vision wins games. This spell gives you vision almost wherever you need or want it. You can hit every single creep on the map if you wanted, for spell life steal to survive a fight. You can cover both Roshan pits. You can cover every single spot where a rune spawns. You can be a better watcher(?) than any of the four that are. You can get vision OVER THEIR FOUNTAIN. You can get vision over ANY ward spire. You can get vision that covers fog of war.
The spell let's your team take good fights. It lets you push out creep waves. It lets you get some farm when you spend most of your mana healing allies and casting your spells. It can be used with cooldown reduction to be below 60 seconds which means you can theoretically farm almost every neutral camp every minute one second after they spawn.
I don't think I need to keep going.
I will though, because somebody reading this wants to start talking about gem of true sight and I want you to know I've been having this conversation for seven years now and you're not ready.
Oh, JUST buy a gem, huh? You mean, have your pos 5 spend 900 gold and take up an item slot to go on some perilous and ultimately frivolous side quest? Ok let's assume you get the first 3 or 4 trees that I enchanted. Congratulations. You still have NO WAY of knowing exactly how many I planted unless you know exactly when I bought it, you won't. Also you are risking your life to go and deward and that also gives me and my team a chance to catch you. Also your quelling blade range IS NOT further than my Ultimates AOE so you are going to get Ultd and then we are going to kill you and take the gem. That's how it's going to work. Also, I stress this again because I don't think anyone really thinks about this enough, you will never know if you got all of them, ever. You will never know.
The last thing I'm gonna say and I say this with love, but you're all casting living armor wrong. And I'm about to tell you something that's going to make you a better Dota player. You can cast items and abilities by clicking on your Ally or Enemy hero icon at the top of the screen. It still takes into consideration the cast range, but for Living Armor being global cast range, the only stipulation is that he does need to turn to face the ally to heal them. So far the only real situation I've had that matter is when a Medusa is ulting and ive already stared at her for some time and can't turn back around to get the cast animation of living armor off (lol to .01% of games).
You can use the hero icon casting to never heal your Phantom Lancer Illusion again. You can now never have to worry about healing a Broodmothers Spiderling, or a Nature's Prophets Treant. Never again will you heal the wrong CK. I just gave you at least 500 MMR. You know that enemy Qop is about to blink at you, why are you trying to Orchid or Euls her with ur mouse you're not that guy. Hover her hero icon n wait til she blinks in = get fkd QoP players.
Source: 650 games and 65% winrate.
It's good, one of the best. Buildup comboed with playstyle of treant nerfs it slightly. I think sniper or storm aghs, utility stun aghs, beat it out.
A lot of this makes sense, I'll just comment that I like buying my own gem as centaur or WK when I see treant aghs, where getting jumped only saves me the bother of blinking myself.
Aghs is great on Treant, but it's also bait sometimes. His Aghs is good, but given that Treant is often played as a support, it's often a monumental waste of gold.
Two aspects to this: the vision and the increased ult range.
1) Vision. This is the most important part. Vision is good, great even. Information alone wins games. HOWEVER, you need to actually utilize that vision. So many people don't. Even Immortal players fail to consistently utilize or play around vision. Nevermind the other 99% of the playerbase that exists below that who DEFINITELY don't use it properly. So now you've spend 4.2k on an item that isn't nearly as effective as something that helps tank your team up (Greaves or Pipe) or saves for your team (Glimmer, Force).
2) Ult range. This is definitely nice and a bit easier to play around, but you still have to... play around it. And that's a bit hard/unpredictable. But there's also no guarantee that your team will be in a position to play around your eyes for better ults, or will be willing to.
I've fought a few treants when I'm playing with friends that go Aghs and I find it to be fairly easy to actively counteract if someone buys a gem and gives it to the offlaner if they are an offlaner that is doing well or is particularly survivable. Being able to invalidate an expensive purchase like that is incredibly good. It's quite hard to invalidate other typical purchases, but tree Aghs? Not so much.
@@Rasea611 it's very hard to quantify and put a cost analysis on ALL of the better decisions made when the Ags is in play vs how the game star would have been if it's never purchased.
Vision wins games.
@@TremoloSoul It does, but team items and save items also win games. It's also much easier and more consistent to play around those items than to play around vision.
300 base damage at the end yeesh
Treebeard game! Lets go!
laughed so hard when his tree armor got purged.
24:30 Best play would probably be aghanim an owl on a tree and then move around them. You didnt know where they were to dodge them.
Idk, going for Harpoon Dagger maybe? Though Treant isn't tanky so maybe Vanguard, A.C. would be a best move since Treant have 1 lockdown(+1 if aghs shard is present)
Treeman gaming, now with extra BONK!
So this is why Tree Grab does so much damage.
Would it be worth getting a battlefury given tree's high base damage?
26:56 oh no - he died. If only he’d had vision *looks at 3 charges of eyes of the forest he just spent 4200 gold on* 😅😂
with that sort of innate damage a shard echo saber + Daedalus / butterfly build sounds scary. like a sven ulti that you cant detect. why isnt tree played as a 3 with such high damage?
Farming capability is none on this hero
@@ezravldina3467 battlefury echo saber? 300 damage crunches twice in an aoe. he does well in lane
@matthewfornear4076 and how does he get all that item after 7 mins when lane breaks down, plus getting even just echo will take at least 15 mins for him and that's if he is freely farming, movement is slow, attack speed is shite and his only farming skill is slow. It might work for herald, though !
Kinda feels like the team did all the heavy lifting.
Was here before the title change button
annoys me when he Gets Tree aghs, but never uses it. He got better lategame but there was a good 5-10 mins after he got it it was just sitting on 3 charges.
Scepter acquired at 23:27
First D cast at 23:29
Second D cast at 23:44
Third D cast at 25:36 (right after he respawned)
Fourth D cast at 28:03 (ten seconds after he respawned)
I get what you're complaining about, and Purge even aknowledged it during the death prior to 4th D, but "never uses it" is too harsh imo
gg