@@RexandKathie Thanks . The one hull has copper wire , saw some guys using cable ties ?? Then was given the reasoning :-) Now I know why I bought all those cable ties 10 years ago for $2 . Not counting , many 100 s . Just been using them to repair the outlet basket of my pool , why pay $20 / year ? :-) Having a better look at the plans , more of an idea of what is involved . If I could trailer complete from home , I would . Not possible . A beach build is unlikely , we do have an harbour here . If I can get past beaurocracy ? It is a working harbour 'as such ' :-) Car containers come for the Mercs , and the odd cruise liner . Fortunately the harbour is only 5 miles away . Theory is , trailer the hulls cockpit , mount hulls on dollies . Next weekend , fasten , next weekend get rigging up .............all so easy :-) Will be fitting a small outboard so can motor over to a river mooring , $60 / month , club fees $90 / year , then have to get to it :-) Can borrow a small tender , not ideal , will look around or make :-) Have a great weekend .
@@scottgordon1781 We will be modifying our trailer to carry the boat disassembled and then slide the bunks out to assemble and launch from. Check out this video: th-cam.com/video/xD4xjS6nRoc/w-d-xo.html friendshipsloop channel Tiki 21 expanding trailer.
Just a thought , drill and sow each time . Am also happy with my Bosch cordless . Am wondering about rudder protection , apparently some tilt mechanism for the rudders , can steer with one :-) Still waiting on budget prices for sails and how to launch it :-) ?
Excellent. What weight of fiberglass tape are you using of the bulkhead/hull joints? I'm working on a TIki30 and I don't see any instruction to put tape on the bulkhead/hull fillets? But I see in the materials list two rolls of 50m of 150mm-175g/m2 Glass Tape but it's not shown or talk about being used except for the keel/hull joints. Thank you , love your channel!
Precoating all your components before assembly saves your back and is usually more thorough. Also, putting peel ply over your fibreglass leaves a much neater finish saving a lot of messy sanding and filling later. Otherwise, nice job 👍
We precoat a few pieces but still give them 2 more coats of epoxy. I am sure that peel ply would give us a finer finish but there is increased cost for the peel ply and additional epoxy. We are looking at 15 gallons of epoxy now. Since we receive no salary for our labor there would be considerably more cost for the peel ply and epoxy.
@@redreuben5260 We made an attempt at peel ply but the results did not come out well. We need to view a few more peel ply videos and then try our hand again. Found out that if you do not put enough epoxy on the peel ply you have a sanding and scraping nightmare.
@@RexandKathie sounds like an inferior product. Try some from a reputable supplier who supplies big users like vacuum infusers. Should be a piece of cake.
@@RexandKathie peel ply would of benefit if you were vaccum bagging or infusion or for fome of the internal work but not for exterior cloth hand lamination which comes out much neater than peel ply. And which simply needs a simple filler coat for sanfing/fairing. I use the addition of micro balloons which makes the sanding/fairing much easier.
I have to say your vids are quite complete with great detail. I've come to understand more in one of yours than 10 of some others. A tri is something I have always wanted so I bought a sleek planing mono and am intending build the amas ... To get some idea of proportion , how wide and deep are you at the width ??? Keep your spirits up... It's infectious (oops sshhh) lol
Thanks, would compare hulls for different trimarans, These hulls are a pretty deep vee and weight differences and length may impact the design. check the drawing tomorrow to give you the rough dimensions for hull beam and depth.
You probably could, just haven't ever done that. Started using ties on Kayaks that were bright finished and didn't want any additional marks on the hulls.
The keel is a piece of fir 3/4 inch by 1 inch with 6 mm ply on either side. There is a large fillet of epoxy over the fir covered by a couple of pieces of 4 inch biaxial. The outer hull is glassed with 6 ounce fiberglass fabric that overlaps the keel by about 4 inches. Glass, fillet, fir and plywood make for a stiff keel. It is a unique boat, both 21 foot hulls and deck, rig will weigh around 700 pounds.
Several variables, brand of epoxy is a major one.West System is more expensive than MAS, Raka or some others. We use Raka, it is here in Florida so can get quickly and how much you buy at one time. Cheaper in bulk. Check out Ep26, the timesheet shows how much we have spent so far. We probably use more epoxy than is necessary. Each persons selection of materials is different and will affect overall cost.
Guys you really need to make a playlist of your videos because every time a vid come to an end-you get redirected to another channel for some reason...
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Hands are epic :-)
She could get a job on one of the game shows.
Lonnie must move pretty quick. 😂
Vanna did a fine job.
Lonnie is quick, and Vanna always points out the important details.
Nice to see how you stitch , need to find copper wire , the first hull was stitched .
Amazon dot com, Lowes, or Home Depot has the wire. Some use small cable ties, personal choice, whichever you like.
@@RexandKathie Thanks . The one hull has copper wire , saw some guys using cable ties ?? Then was given the reasoning :-) Now I know why I bought all those cable ties 10 years ago for $2 . Not counting , many 100 s . Just been using them to repair the outlet basket of my pool , why pay $20 / year ? :-)
Having a better look at the plans , more of an idea of what is involved .
If I could trailer complete from home , I would . Not possible . A beach build is unlikely , we do have an harbour here . If I can get past beaurocracy ? It is a working harbour 'as such ' :-) Car containers come for the Mercs , and the odd cruise liner . Fortunately the harbour is only 5 miles away .
Theory is , trailer the hulls cockpit , mount hulls on dollies . Next weekend , fasten , next weekend get rigging up .............all so easy :-) Will be fitting a small outboard so can motor over to a river mooring , $60 / month , club fees $90 / year , then have to get to it :-) Can borrow a small tender , not ideal , will look around or make :-)
Have a great weekend .
@@scottgordon1781 We will be modifying our trailer to carry the boat disassembled and then slide the bunks out to assemble and launch from. Check out this video: th-cam.com/video/xD4xjS6nRoc/w-d-xo.html
friendshipsloop channel Tiki 21 expanding trailer.
Awesome job! I know its a lot of work, but it's great that you’re doing it together. You'll be sailing before you know it.
Thanks, we are enjoying watch it come together and yes we are anxious to sail.
Looks great! I love the design and am excited to see your build.
Thanks!
Just a thought , drill and sow each time . Am also happy with my Bosch cordless . Am wondering about rudder protection , apparently some tilt mechanism for the rudders , can steer with one :-) Still waiting on budget prices for sails and how to launch it :-) ?
Rudders are protected by the skeg, no need to tilt. They are laced on.
Excellent. What weight of fiberglass tape are you using of the bulkhead/hull joints? I'm working on a TIki30 and I don't see any instruction to put tape on the bulkhead/hull fillets? But I see in the materials list two rolls of 50m of 150mm-175g/m2 Glass Tape but it's not shown or talk about being used except for the keel/hull joints. Thank you , love your channel!
We use 6 ounce tape, 3 or 4 inch wide. Thanks for watching, Hope you are posting pics and videos of your progress.
Found you here , repetitive , is an issue , what needs to be done . Have that in my current job , get in the zone and get it done . :-)
There are many steps that are repetitive, especially when building 2 hulls. Think sanding, sanding and sanding. Thanks for watching.
Precoating all your components before assembly saves your back and is usually more thorough.
Also, putting peel ply over your fibreglass leaves a much neater finish saving a lot of messy sanding and filling later.
Otherwise, nice job 👍
We precoat a few pieces but still give them 2 more coats of epoxy. I am sure that peel ply would give us a finer finish but there is increased cost for the peel ply and additional epoxy. We are looking at 15 gallons of epoxy now. Since we receive no salary for our labor there would be considerably more cost for the peel ply and epoxy.
@@RexandKathie peel ply pays for itself, less sandpaper, less filler.
If your hand laminating, extra resin would be minuscule.
@@redreuben5260 We made an attempt at peel ply but the results did not come out well. We need to view a few more peel ply videos and then try our hand again. Found out that if you do not put enough epoxy on the peel ply you have a sanding and scraping nightmare.
@@RexandKathie sounds like an inferior product. Try some from a reputable supplier who supplies big users like vacuum infusers. Should be a piece of cake.
@@RexandKathie peel ply would of benefit if you were vaccum bagging or infusion or for fome of the internal work but not for exterior cloth hand lamination which comes out much neater than peel ply. And which simply needs a simple filler coat for sanfing/fairing. I use the addition of micro balloons which makes the sanding/fairing much easier.
Nice, tidy job. Can i ask what thickness of ply? 6mm (1/4") or 9mm (3/8")
Thanks, 20 sheets of 6mm, 1 sheet of 15 mm for stems, rudders, butt blocks, etc.
@@RexandKathie thanks for your time and knowledge.
@@robertcain3426 Our pleasure, thanks.
I have to say your vids are quite complete with great detail. I've come to understand more in one of yours than 10 of some others. A tri is something I have always wanted so I bought a sleek planing mono and am intending build the amas ... To get some idea of proportion , how wide and deep are you at the width ???
Keep your spirits up... It's infectious (oops sshhh) lol
Thanks, would compare hulls for different trimarans, These hulls are a pretty deep vee and weight differences and length may impact the design. check the drawing tomorrow to give you the rough dimensions for hull beam and depth.
Beam is 36.75 inches on one hull and depth from shear to top of keel (.75 inch) is 35.25 inches.
Oh , ok once set you took out the wire ties ? Why ? Could grind down and less work . Just asking ?
You probably could, just haven't ever done that. Started using ties on Kayaks that were bright finished and didn't want any additional marks on the hulls.
Question: Do you use hardwood for the keel?
The keel is a piece of fir 3/4 inch by 1 inch with 6 mm ply on either side. There is a large fillet of epoxy over the fir covered by a couple of pieces of 4 inch biaxial. The outer hull is glassed with 6 ounce fiberglass fabric that overlaps the keel by about 4 inches. Glass, fillet, fir and plywood make for a stiff keel. It is a unique boat, both 21 foot hulls and deck, rig will weigh around 700 pounds.
Epoxy cost is my next question ?
Several variables, brand of epoxy is a major one.West System is more expensive than MAS, Raka or some others. We use Raka, it is here in Florida so can get quickly and how much you buy at one time. Cheaper in bulk. Check out Ep26, the timesheet shows how much we have spent so far. We probably use more epoxy than is necessary. Each persons selection of materials is different and will affect overall cost.
If you speed this video up times two you could build 20 boats.
I may try that, thanks.
Guys you really need to make a playlist of your videos because every time a vid come to an end-you get redirected to another channel for some reason...
Thank you for that suggestion. We set up 2 playlists, hope it makes your viewing easier. Appreciate you watching.