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$17,000 PC from 1990: IBM PS/2 Model 90 XP 486

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  • The beast of a retro computer system was a powerhouse 486 machine in its day and cost an absurd amount of money when it was new. And I'm using it to play SkiFree. This is LGR.
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  • @DickTrickleqt
    @DickTrickleqt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +865

    i loved turning on my jet engine of a computer late at night then shifting into 6th gear and flying through the wall by pressing the turbo button

    • @johnwheels89
      @johnwheels89 6 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      didnt the turbo button actually slow the system down to have better compatibility with games and programs? or am i completely wrong lol

    • @exlibrisas
      @exlibrisas 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      PC masterrace!

    • @stephanberger3476
      @stephanberger3476 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Armyboy89 So maybe it was already pushed in, and he pushed it to go off, bringing the speed back :)

    • @freedustin
      @freedustin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Dick Trickle I added like 5 unnecessary fans to my computer for nostalgia...

    • @Juissimies84
      @Juissimies84 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I remember friend having computer with LCD-display for CPU clockspeed. I recall pressing turbon button gave maximum CPU clock to that machine. Can´t recall for sure :).

  • @MarkyShaw
    @MarkyShaw 6 ปีที่แล้ว +647

    Omg! That beautiful, beautiful sound. For that kinda money, it better be loud.

    • @drg5352
      @drg5352 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I'll have to admit, it made me grin like an idiot to hear that sound again. My modern PCs are whisper quiet.

    • @BollingHolt
      @BollingHolt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      A FREAKIN' MEN! If your neighbors' lights didn't dim for a moment when you powered your computer then you weren't doing it right LOL!

    • @TheRealMentat001
      @TheRealMentat001 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The damn thing sounds like a flipping vacuum cleaner! I love it!

    • @christesterman
      @christesterman 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Indeed....that was an orgasmic intro to this sweet video....ahh the good old days.

    • @natgrant1364
      @natgrant1364 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, I love the sound of the voice coils in those old hard drives.

  • @fubarsnafu4994
    @fubarsnafu4994 5 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Had many many of the PS/2 Microchannel systems. Damn good machines. Accidentally tossed a Model 95 down a flight of iron fire escape steps. Thought for sure it was toast. No lie. Plugged it in and it booted.

    • @raspberry144mb3
      @raspberry144mb3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I want to hear the story of how that accident scenario came to be.

    • @GreySectoid
      @GreySectoid ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What did you like about them? Seems quite a hassle of proprietary everything ownership-wise, but one cannot deny the appeal of early IBMs :)

  • @ThisDoesNotCompute
    @ThisDoesNotCompute 6 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Clint, you should sell shirts with that "How're you going to do it? PS/2 it!" slogan (from 1:30).
    Also, the mention of Northgate brought back some memories. They were based here in the Minneapolis area, and I took a tour of their factory when I was 8 or so. The place was huge, with a lot of the floorspace dedicated to assembly/test stations.

  • @ChrisHirner
    @ChrisHirner 4 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    dang someone gave me one of those in 2001, i remember i was so proud to get xp working on it.

    • @startedtech
      @startedtech 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Dang, that must've been slow! Isn't the windows XP minimum recommended CPU a 233mhz Pentium?

    • @ChrisHirner
      @ChrisHirner 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@startedtech something like that. It wasnt too functional. It was more of a proof of concept

    • @Mirroxaphene
      @Mirroxaphene 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Windows XP doesn’t support the microchanel architecture. There’s no way XP or Windows 2000 can run on any MCA architecture machine.

    • @Mirroxaphene
      @Mirroxaphene 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I’ve got a Pentium-66 installed in mine.

    • @startedtech
      @startedtech 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mirroxaphene that makes sense, i didn't think it'd be possible to install XP on a system that old.

  • @jhonwask
    @jhonwask 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I love that you mentioned Commander Keen. My 5 year-old nephew loved playing it on my Tandy 1000.

  • @ethangekoski
    @ethangekoski 6 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    To quote one of my co-workers back in the 90's: "IBM: You can get better, but you can't pay more!"

    • @cros13
      @cros13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" was the phrase I always heard. I was an AIX admin at the time and it was repeated like gospel.

    • @daniel.santos
      @daniel.santos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Sounds like Apple.

    • @chrisfratz
      @chrisfratz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@nitroraptor5316 but those are dedicated workstations with even more cutting edge tech, so the price made sense

  • @PrzeszczepiX
    @PrzeszczepiX 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    IBM: $17.000 PC
    Apple: *hold my monitor stand...*

    • @bastahoobi
      @bastahoobi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I had to look up this Apple monitor stand people are mentioning because I couldn't believe it... nope, it's really a grand. Amazing.

  • @treiz01
    @treiz01 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Did anyone else crank the sound during the start up? All that wonderful whirring and warming up, it's something I didn't realize I was nostalgic for...

  •  6 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    Man, that bring back memories, the dream computer, back when I was finishing technical (programming) high school. (89-92). (Mexico)

    • @BreakingBrick
      @BreakingBrick 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Oscar Puertas aquí lo mismo, hemos tenido dos de los PS/2 en la clase en 1997, ya fueron antiguos en aquélla época, pero eran fascinantes. (Alemania)

    • @deviceatt2605
      @deviceatt2605 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oscar Puertas I live in New Mexico in the states which is the same place Bill Gates come from so I called dibs.

  • @farmerfb
    @farmerfb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    During this period of time, I was a field service manager for IBM . We loved people who spent this kind of money because it's what kept us in business.

  • @MlninPricl
    @MlninPricl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    The whole time I'm watching this I'm pounding my chair chanting "Doom! Doom! Doom!" until he explained the DX2 chip to which my chant changed to "Quake Quake Quake!".

    • @mrbrad4637
      @mrbrad4637 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Quake only ran payable on a 486 DX4/100 with a decent VLB video card... On the original retail box when quake was first released the minimum requirements were actually a 486 DX4/100 although later i believe they changed it to a pentium on later retail boxes.. In the mid to late 90s I had a DX2 66 and a DX4/75 overclocked to 100mhz and quake ran like rubbish on the dx2/66 but surprisingly it ran great on and was very playable on my dx4/100 although some levels the frame rate dropped but it was playable enough that I finished the entire game on it.. my 486 DX4/100 was one of my favourite and most memorable computers I owned - very fond memories of playing Doom, quake and the original GTA on it.. along with Windows 98SE and 32mb RAM

    • @wesleythomas7125
      @wesleythomas7125 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But can it do Duke 3D?

  • @radixcl
    @radixcl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    Can't wait for the MCA vs ISA video

    • @jamesunknown6016
      @jamesunknown6016 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      radixcl the YMCA?

    • @clannero7656
      @clannero7656 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      New tech tale on the road! Yay!!!!!

    • @yakovhadash
      @yakovhadash 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is a tale of corporate intrigue and sabotage... it’s a sabotage.

    • @Hellwyck
      @Hellwyck 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@yakovhadash Sabotage? different MCA.

    • @jaubuchon28
      @jaubuchon28 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Hellwyck you got me there lol, masterful

  • @staticfanatic
    @staticfanatic 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    that full start-up at the top was amazing. please do that for all computers you review.

    • @eknaap8800
      @eknaap8800 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The use of capitals is deemed supervacaneous now, is it? Sad.

    • @hothi92
      @hothi92 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eknaap8800 As is using commonly used language, rather than unnecessarily convoluted words like supervacaneous? Especially, when taking into consideration that we are in a predominantly informal setting, where meaning and context are much more important than grammar and semantics. In conclusion, go fuck your self. Sad.

  • @Peteman81
    @Peteman81 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    When that first booted up I was expecting the THX logo music to start!

  • @dave_dynasty
    @dave_dynasty 5 ปีที่แล้ว +123

    $17000? Damn. This thing better run all games in 4K ultra settings.

    • @pleasuretokill
      @pleasuretokill 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      It actually ran games in the 4:3 aspect ratio version of 720p. 720p in 1990s was absolutely insane. Insane to the point that I didn't see that resolution until like 1998-1999 and you had to spend mega bucks to get it then, 10 years later. I can't even imagine what people in 1990 thought of that resolution at 8bit color when most people were starting at 320p screens that were spinach green. 720p at 8bit color must have looked like heaven actually shining down on a computer, lol.

    • @Phenom98
      @Phenom98 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@pleasuretokill
      ... What do you mean 720p? Do you know the exact resolution? Because i don't think there ever was a 4:3 resolution with 720 horizontal lines

    • @chickenfizz
      @chickenfizz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@Phenom98 I think he meant 1024x768 'xga' whick could be considered to be a 4:3 '768p'. Though as pointed out in the video it could only do this at 16 colours without a ridiculous upgrade and even then I highly doubt any games would be playable at that resolution.

    • @raspberry144mb3
      @raspberry144mb3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@chickenfizz Games wouldn't, but business applications would.

    • @sentimentalmariner590
      @sentimentalmariner590 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pleasuretokill Heck most people I knew did not even get out of 480p until like 2004. The advancement of resolutions really is staggering.

  • @theburningone354
    @theburningone354 6 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I love learning about these old PCs

    • @AlTheEngineer
      @AlTheEngineer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha :) maaan I was a user of these old PC's ... I still love them so much.

  • @megafonebrad
    @megafonebrad 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    GOD! THAT SOUND! Just gives me goosebumps. It really was an event to turn on your computer back in the day.

  • @sebwan
    @sebwan 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Speaking of the IBM Model M keyboard: The IBM Model M keyboards, with their unique buckling spring switches, are the dream of every typing enthusiast. They've got an awesome, unique feel when typing on it, not even remotely comparable to today's keyboards. Even today they're being sold for insanely amounts of money (up to 150 bugs and more). I can really recommend everyone to try them out, it's definitely worth it!

    • @mr.y.mysterious.video1
      @mr.y.mysterious.video1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      sebwan had a few over the years, still use one at work much to the annoyance of colleagues

    • @Houshalter
      @Houshalter 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A company called unicomp bought the factory and still makes them new for about $80.

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had one when I was like 4. I wish I kept it.

  • @RayO72
    @RayO72 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    LGR, please, I've been waiting patiently for a video about the Model 95. You tease us showing us this behemoth, and then we wait for ages. For the new year, please remember this insanity.

  • @Prometheus203
    @Prometheus203 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    When I was in 5th grade in 1997 a friend gave me 6 of these among 13 other computers, monitors, printers and other gear he had extra from his computer shop, it was the beginning of my learning electronics and engineering.

  • @TheGhostMall
    @TheGhostMall 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    It sounded like it was about to blast off upon booting up. Awesome! Now that's what I call $17,000 well-spent. :-)

    • @yuyuko_s75
      @yuyuko_s75 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It sounds like a turbofan engine such as the one on the Boeing 737.

    • @klafbang
      @klafbang 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also the thing was built like a tank. Want to stand a grown machine on it? No problem.

    • @Yukatoshi
      @Yukatoshi 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Ghost Mall Lol, not really. You could get an uber powerful 486 for half the price!

    • @Dawwwg
      @Dawwwg 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any decent PC from that era sounded like that, not only the 17K ones :)

    • @RJARRRPCGP
      @RJARRRPCGP 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The HDDs did sound like that, but not the fans, unlike OC'ed monster PCs of this century! (The HDDs of the 1990s, and possibly the late-1980s, were loud!)

  • @DarkCybrid
    @DarkCybrid 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    LGR, thank you so so much for always letting us hear the sounds of these classic masterpieces!

  • @marsupialpianist1450
    @marsupialpianist1450 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This has to be one of the nicest looking 486 machines. There's just something indescribable about it.

  • @DVINTHEHOUSEMAN
    @DVINTHEHOUSEMAN 6 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    The startup tho... whiRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR click whirr RRRRRR BEEP

    • @AngryDavid808
      @AngryDavid808 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      That beep is as if the PC said: Fuck! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @andreasbuchinger3294
      @andreasbuchinger3294 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly LOL

    • @drk9111
      @drk9111 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      AngryDavid808 😂😂😂😂😂 😑😑😑😑😴😴😴

  • @osiris1802
    @osiris1802 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    OMFG, I just remember I had one of those at the office working as a OS/2 system software engineer. But I „only“ had 16 MB of RAM. Such a great machine! Very very well built and the Keyboard was a dream come true. For me this was the best of the best.

  • @belovedconsole
    @belovedconsole 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was so fascinating and balanced. People have noted the glorious sound of the bootup. I also love the precision of the plastic manufacture shown here. The design is really beautiful and you just know the switches click with a weight and the keyboard feels good.

  • @Ertain1
    @Ertain1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    _When it starts up_
    Damn, listen to that monster roar! :-O

  • @sirp0p0
    @sirp0p0 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    0:20 The whir, the beeps, and the clicks. Such a comfy sound.

  • @Animated__Freak
    @Animated__Freak 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Man I love when you do Hardware videos.

  • @da71000
    @da71000 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We had about a dozen of these when I was an IBM mainframe operator (about 1993-95).The reason we had them was that they were essential to keeping the mainframes up and running, they were covered by the same IBM 24x7 support contract we had for the mainframes, and management weren't going to jeopardise the reslience of the several hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars they were spending on the mainframes by skimping out on white box consoles. Yes, they were essential extremely expensive terminal emulators, but they were critical to our operational stability.

  • @AgentJayZ
    @AgentJayZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I still have a PS/2 Model 90 486 in my closet. I paid 400.00 for it in 1995. Spent that much for a micro channel sound card. Never knew it was so expensive when it was current. Wow!

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That is some depreciation! haha

    • @thegeforce6625
      @thegeforce6625 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you make a video about it?

    • @linuxuberuser
      @linuxuberuser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pretty Soon it will be worth more then 400 Dollars!

  • @TheRetu81
    @TheRetu81 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Oh yes, the infamous microchannel. We had an IBM 386/25MHz at home. Never could find a compatible soundcard for it.

  • @cybercat1531
    @cybercat1531 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    These videos of your's. I don't know how to describe their style or format that I like so much.
    Right from the introduction it feels very calm, very welcoming with a relaxed atmosphere. You also speak in a very neutral (almost soothing) voice that conveys a certain aura of trust. You could probably make for one hell of a conman/sales person :P
    I like your videos. They feel like 'you'. Keep doing that, they're awesome! You're awesome!

    • @XeRocks81
      @XeRocks81 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just watch LGR at nigt to relax before going to bed, it works great.

  • @WessyD123
    @WessyD123 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dam i love watching your videos LGR. Takes me back to my childhood.. I remember when most of the things you review first hit the market...

  • @kingtv3940
    @kingtv3940 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Road to 1 Million Subscribers, by the end of this year i would be shocked if LGR wasn't at 1 million, this is quality stuff

  • @nicklager1666
    @nicklager1666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    just listening to the startup sound of the computer and later all the technical jargong is enough to give this video a like from me.

    • @eknaap8800
      @eknaap8800 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The use of capitals and proper punctuation is deemed supervacaneous now, is it? Sad.

  • @badkluster
    @badkluster 6 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    32 MB of RAM? That's perfect for making a ramdisk!

    • @Heliocentric
      @Heliocentric 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL

    • @pauldavis5665
      @pauldavis5665 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could get some serious word processing done with 32 MB of RAM.

  • @Max_Marz
    @Max_Marz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It is freakin insane to think that this was the most cutting edge computer in the year I was born and all technological advancements since then have happened in my lifetime.

  • @flappy7373
    @flappy7373 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2:54 when i saw that CD I was stunned.
    Descent is my all-time favorite computer game!!! It's the first computer game i ever played..
    Well, aside from Starcraft: Brood War, that is. Nothing comes close to the amazingness of BW

  • @peterlewis4199
    @peterlewis4199 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    OMG, that was a blast from the past. I used to be the Systems Admin for a Model 95 and a small (but growing) network of PC (PS/2's). The server ran OS/2 and IBM Lan Server. Sure it came with about 200MB SCSI drive out of the box. Later installed an additional 1GB SCSI drive. Networked with Token Ring, naturally.
    It was a great bit of kit, very easy to work on. Only ever remember having problems when dealing with third party stuff like tape drives.
    The combination of MCA and SCSI made for a great server system.

  • @linkfuture4561
    @linkfuture4561 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love seeing your videos on old PCs!!
    @LGR dude! You should totally come to Super MAGfest next year! They have a PC museum. The scope in terms of time periods covers pretty much anything Windows 98 and older. This year, they even had a Manavox Odyssey

  • @SedatedByLife
    @SedatedByLife ปีที่แล้ว

    Hearing that unit fire up is like music to my ears. I'm still convinced it's why I need a fan running in the background to sleep. Many years as a kid falling asleep in front of my old pc and on the sofa in the rec room while brothers were on it...

  • @mozzjones6943
    @mozzjones6943 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These machines were never built for home use as you say, And yes they were ridiculously expensive, BUT multi-million dollar companies relied on these things along with IBM's after service to keep their crucial businesses ticking over! They were reliable work horses (from a reliable company) for mainframes and in server environments.

  • @Drinkabeerandplayagameofficial
    @Drinkabeerandplayagameofficial 6 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    oh that beautiful hum in the beginning, oh this make me a happy boy

    • @tenow
      @tenow 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Liked video immediately as I heard it

    • @eknaap8800
      @eknaap8800 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The use of capitals and proper punctuation is deemed supervacaneous now, is it? Sad.

  • @radracer2033
    @radracer2033 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It's amazing how much things cost when they first come out with new tech. I just bought a lawnmower from 1935 that cost $600 new. That's like $11,000 in today's money for a freaking lawn mower.

    • @Patchuchan
      @Patchuchan 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      That was more than some cars back then.

    • @radracer2033
      @radracer2033 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Patchuchan Yeah, not many people bought them, unsurprisingly

    • @SgtJoeSmith
      @SgtJoeSmith 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got a lawnmower that costs $15,000

  • @ChrisCromwellHP
    @ChrisCromwellHP 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back in 1989 through 1991, my community college had many Hundreds or more of these very same IBM computers; even a few were the tower variety! I used them pretty frequently in many different classrooms, such as Typing, Computer Science 101, News Writing, News Gathering, Music Selection for the campus radio station, etc. Almost every classroom or office had these IBM Model 90 Computers, and I always brought along my floppy disks that contained software and data I needed for these classes. I was rather impressed with what the IBM PS/2 Model 90 could do back then, although I had no idea how much they cost. But knowing now, it's quite incredible the massive profits IBM made from my community college alone!

  • @Scrotux
    @Scrotux 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m so glad you collect equipment and do these videos.

  • @MartinKronstrom
    @MartinKronstrom 6 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I would pair this video with a nice aged port.

    • @DesertRainReads
      @DesertRainReads 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Martin Kronström love the pun, the port was aged for at least 27 years I'm sure.

    • @TheZooman22
      @TheZooman22 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We are clearly in a class all by ourselves, content to spend out idle hours watching old IBM PCs boot up.

    • @retrodreams2428
      @retrodreams2428 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheZooman22 Finally, someone who understand me

    • @hxhdfjifzirstc894
      @hxhdfjifzirstc894 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Something like an RS 232, perhaps. 1988 is a good vintage.

  • @muffenme
    @muffenme 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I used one of these computer, or a computer that looks like this, at the Neil Squire in Fredericton, New Brunswick. My first PC was a Packard Bell PB220. A PC with a Intel SX-33 CPU.

  • @MichaelAStanhope
    @MichaelAStanhope 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had a 9595-0PT (95A) server for years with a P60 in it and the full 64mb RAM running NT Server 3.5 then 4.0, that sucker did great. Dual 2.88mb floppies, mine had a 2x Caddy CD ROM drive, and a quartet of 2.3gb hard drives in it. Never had issues with it. Nobody would try to steal it either, weighed in at over 100 pounds! It had the "Spock" Fast SCSI card in it so it was quite quick for the day. I hope you have the external SCSI cable because its quite specialized.
    I love the PS/2 computers. IBM did some real innovations there, but also screwed us and them selves with the MCA bus. It was a totally superior bus design (at the time), faster than ISA, ALMOST fully Plug n play, and if you knew what you were doing, very easy to work with in technicians terms. Loading the option ADF disk onto the Refrence disk, and configuring everything in the computer setup program was great. If they wouldn't have been jerks about it, likely we would have been using that until the mid to late 90s, and the PCI bus would probabally have been replaced by it.
    Keep up the good work Clint. If you ever need PS/2 help, let me know. I used to repair them back in the day. I always loved going into an IBM based office building because I knew exactly what I was dealing with unlike with all of the clones at the time.
    PS: You can tell the difference between MCA and ISA machines. Any model less than 50 is an ISA machine (Except the L40sx), above 50, its MCA.
    PPS: The Thinkpad 710 is an MCA computer. The dock for it contained 2 16bit MCA expansion slots.

  • @carinapowered995
    @carinapowered995 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    From 1990-1994, I was using this computer for CAD drafting, the software which our company had was Micro CADAM, and yes the price of this computer was $16K, me and my coworkers would take turns using it at the beginning.

  • @BrunoMoreiraTorres
    @BrunoMoreiraTorres 6 ปีที่แล้ว +457

    That awkward moment when you realize: In the year 2044, someone will make a similar video about Threadripper and Core i9...

    • @soylentgreenb
      @soylentgreenb 6 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      That won't happen. The i9 never cost as much as a car. The next big leap in performance is at least 20 years out and will replace silicon CMOS with an entirely new paradigm and the i9 will become regarded as a vacuum tube or mechanical switch computer in comparison. Silicon CMOS is pretty much dead. For the next 20 years or so we're stuck with it and you'll get perhaps a factor 2 more CPU performance and a factor 10 or so GPU performance.
      (as a comparison, in the 90's CPU performance increased by 60% per year on average, and if that had continued until 2044 processors in 2044 would be 14 million times faster than what we have today; if it had continued from today and for the next 26 years, processors in 2044 would be 200 000 times faster than today).

    • @markamber1480
      @markamber1480 6 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      No... it will be like someone in 2045 talking about how quantum computers took up a whole closet and costed millions in 2020

    • @andreasbuchinger3294
      @andreasbuchinger3294 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      (0_0) Wow how do you know that?

    • @sinephase
      @sinephase 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      IDK, it doesn't seem like too much has changed in terms of standards like it did in the 90s. we can capably use computers from 7 years ago for general computing tasks but in '97 a machine from 1990 would've been ass.

    • @BlownMacTruck
      @BlownMacTruck 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also why is this awkward? You make it sound like people never talk about hardware from the past.

  • @AwlrightProductions
    @AwlrightProductions 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The boot up sound sounds like the THX sound

  • @JeffDeWitt
    @JeffDeWitt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When I started working for IBM in about 1997 I think one of these was my first PC... it was old and I was the new guy!

  • @bickira
    @bickira 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We use to have one of these back when i was little in my dad's office. i use to play games on it all the time, and of course at the time i did not think much of cost or value of it. I wish i still had it, but not sure what happened to it. Just remember one day there was another one in there, and it was stuck in a corner. We had it for many years though since he was the old fashion type, and would milk stuff for all it's worth. This video brought back memories so thank you!

  • @gorfulator
    @gorfulator 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Wow CDrom in 1990!

    • @svgeier
      @svgeier 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      This computer is not from 1990, its a later model, like 92-93. I dont think CD-rom was an option in 1990.

  • @axa993
    @axa993 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I just started watching and I simply expect to see you playing either Duke Nukem 3D or Doom on this thing.

    • @axa993
      @axa993 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ...I wasn't disappointed. Jokes aside, great video.

  • @JF32304
    @JF32304 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for not having obnoxious music in your videos. So many people do and it ruins their channel.

  • @cbeagle
    @cbeagle 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    PS/2 and OS/2 was awesome, wish I hadn't sold all of my kit off in the early 00's, didn't get much! Kept one complete PS/2, one day would love to get it out of the loft and put OS/2 on it. Thanks for a trip back down memory lane. Keep up the good work.

  • @gusbaker4u
    @gusbaker4u 6 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Those blue plastic pieces are just handles to help remove and replace boards? That's a neat idea, I suppose only IBM did it? I guess that's the kind of luxury you get for 17 grand, lol.

    • @thegardenofeatin5965
      @thegardenofeatin5965 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Might also be cooling baffles.

    • @davidsmall6322
      @davidsmall6322 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      those definitely look like quick release handles and pulls. The blue plastic length you can see in one of the shots might just be there for extra lateral support.

    • @MichaelAStanhope
      @MichaelAStanhope 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They made the card "full length". It was to help get the card in and out of the system without touching the bare card. Many cards just had the clip on the end and didn't bother with the full length thing. IBM just wanted to be special :)

    • @youmukonpaku3168
      @youmukonpaku3168 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ct92404, a commercial ice cream machine alone costs about 15,000$ in 2015 money; you couldn't afford it on 17,000$ of 1990 money.

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The modernish Mac Pro cheesegrater version has nice quick release bays. :)

  • @therossionfan
    @therossionfan 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "The Empire Strikes Back" That made me laugh.

  • @QuantumBraced
    @QuantumBraced 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My first computer as a kid was a 486 DX 33MHz. Just seeing the numbers or hearing the words "486" ushers in a wave of warm and fuzzy feelings. It's my safe space, the essence of my happy childhood memories... Seeing that "33" on the MHz display would bring a tear to my eye today.

  • @MUMSUniverse
    @MUMSUniverse 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awwww, got to love the bootup sounds of old PCs. Sound like they are about to take off (or go supernova) but then it makes a reassuring beep, & you know everything is going to be alright.

  • @mvShooting
    @mvShooting 6 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    Years later: "$ 20,000 PC from 2018, I'm using it to play Minecraft".

    • @andreasbuchinger3294
      @andreasbuchinger3294 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can be true in 2045 or earlier

    • @raydeen2k
      @raydeen2k 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Bought an iMac Pro did we? ;)

    • @deviceatt2605
      @deviceatt2605 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      M. V. Shooting build with AMD PC for fractional cost 😎 hashtag phenom hashtag socket hack

    • @RuruFIN
      @RuruFIN 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      But why play that crap?

    • @thomasraahauge5231
      @thomasraahauge5231 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      #LOL

  • @omnimoeish
    @omnimoeish 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    My 1995 Windows 95 PC had 8MB of RAM, so 64MB in 1990 was indeed a lot.

  • @zachhoy
    @zachhoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great that you include old ads - I always pause and read them in full. At 01:25 or so the IBM marketing team went with "up to .96 gigabytes" instead of "960 megabytes", an unusually short format to use in a long-format ad on a point that you want to emphasize! Not to mention the ".96" is at the start of a line, making it even more obscured. Also, why not just say 1 gigabyte, definitely within fair margin (not even getting into KB/kB/KiB etc).

  • @DanMacWilliams
    @DanMacWilliams 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a different PS/2 as my first computer in 1993, and the startup noises on this video totally brought me back to 1993 for a moment.

  • @tjls
    @tjls 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Outrageously pricey, even for the era!
    Thank you for sharing this non-sense piece of technology history with us!🇧🇷👍😉

  • @nachosNipples
    @nachosNipples 6 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    the cars you could buy with that instead xD

    • @Nesseight
      @Nesseight 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "BORING!" Let's play Doom instead.

    • @eknaap8800
      @eknaap8800 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The capitals and proper punctuation one could use...

  • @bret9741
    @bret9741 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I finished up my enlightenment in the Navy in January of 1990. I started college at CSUSB and became an IBM and an Apple “Student Rep”. The only computers we sold on campus from 90-92 were IBM and Apple. When I tell my kids the prices people paid for computers they were shocked!! Even with the student discount, or even bigger alumni discount, the IBM 486 loaded was about $11000 dollars. We sold less than 20-30 a year. Apple, on the other hand sold 100+ Mac SE-30’ etc a month and we sold a lot of Mac II, IIFX, and other high end systems. I would say the average student spent about $5000 dollars on a computer, monitor, software and printer. But power users like myself often spent $8000-$10,000. I would buy the latest Mac with my student discount and sell it on AOL just before the new models were introduced. I often made $1200-$2000 dollar profit because back then I got a huge discount because I was a student rep. In 93 our school brought Dell into the campus discount program and IBM pulled out of this market completely. Dells sold very well and truthfully were better machines for students and teachers who loved to mod and or add different video and sound cards. I wish I had kept a few of the early Macs. It would gladly go back to the less powerful machines. The systems were easier to use and did everything I. Needed them to do well.

  • @jonnda
    @jonnda 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Daaaamn, I miss computers starting up so dramatically. As a kid we had a Mac classic that had such a musical disk drive, but this takes the cake. That thing is like a jet starting up.

  • @SonataFanatica
    @SonataFanatica 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    PLEEEAAASE, could you make a video about the PS/1 someday? That was my first computer ever (a 386 SX with 20 MHz and 2 MB of RAM) and I still love it so much!!

    • @LGR
      @LGR  6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      If I ever get one I'd love to!

    • @cros13
      @cros13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My first computer was a PS/1 as well (Model 2133, 486SX25, 4MB RAM, 170MB HDD). Still used it (upgraded with a 1GB HDD, 16MB RAM, a math co-processor and a 3com NIC!) as a home server running linux into the early 2000s. Still nostalgic for the spacesaver model M2 keyboard.

    • @justz00t48
      @justz00t48 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That was my first one too! Loved that machine.

  • @mrkattm
    @mrkattm 6 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Like they say, "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM".

    • @clutchkman
      @clutchkman 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      It looks like that should've been.

    • @PATTHECATMCD
      @PATTHECATMCD 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Unless they worked for Apple of course. Then they got fired.

    • @edbouhl3100
      @edbouhl3100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, that was definitely the mindset in the 90s. I remember when my agency updated from ibm 386 to 486 based desktops around then.

    • @jamesslick4790
      @jamesslick4790 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@edbouhl3100 The 90's? Hell, That's a line that held true from the 1940s thru the 1990s!

  • @rwl0323
    @rwl0323 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it! Glad to see you are still kicking! Thanks for sharing!

  • @MattSaettler
    @MattSaettler 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You talked about the MCA and IBMs plan to take back control of the PC architecture.
    But many people don't talk (or maybe know) about the ABIOS in the PS/2. ABIOS is for ADVANCED bios and was IBM's attempt to do a complete rewrite of the BIOS and keep the copyright on it.
    They did not give out the specs for ABIOS, but it had a lot of specialized interfaces. Their intent was to make OS/2 use those interfaces and run way better on a PS/2 machine with ABIOS than on a "regular" PC.

  • @pdroa6666
    @pdroa6666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    can we get old pc sounds asmr?

    • @thegraymarketsafari2485
      @thegraymarketsafari2485 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      meme account You know they wouldn't be able to resist adding some heavy breathing over it

    • @pdroa6666
      @pdroa6666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Gray Market Safari *intense breathing*

    • @technopoptart
      @technopoptart 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      this isn't already????

    • @SunshineArt
      @SunshineArt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was able to conduct the the floppy drive and beep timing from memory like an orchestra. Would love one with quiet modem sounds, fan sounds, harddrives seeking and floppy drive reading. Sounds like a nice youtube channel idea... Mmm

  • @comradeurod9805
    @comradeurod9805 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    That thing looks Dope auto focus. Thx 4 vid fam

  • @novaevolv3d
    @novaevolv3d 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *3 1991 Honda Civics.*
    -- I love how he put that into perspective lol

  • @Republic3D
    @Republic3D 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So many memories. We had a OS/2 computer at home around this time period. Also remember playing Skifree.

  • @Zizzily
    @Zizzily 6 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I had an IBM PS/2 Model 50 Z that was in the family storage unit that was thrown out. Along with my VT420 terminal. I used to do fun things like this with it: www.blueeyes.jp/vt420/advent.jpg
    I got both for free, too! Now I can't afford to get either because of the resurgence of nostalgia, and I really want another.

    • @landshark3509
      @landshark3509 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a VT420. They're actually relatively cheap to pick up refurbished - a lot of companies still want them for talking to some of their older stuff. Try looking on Vecmar

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow! I also like how the terminal shows "Session 1" in the bottom left, and you're playing one of those classic text-based adventure games! I don't know why those kinds of things crack me up! Yeah, I could understand if you didn't get any input into what your family would have thrown out and what they would have kept.

    • @LunaTulpa
      @LunaTulpa 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Zzyzx Wolfe yiff me

    • @zfoxfire
      @zfoxfire 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you ever visited Zzyx road?

  • @willow_1
    @willow_1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    LGR 30 years from now:
    "This is Apple's Mac Pro from 2019. 30 years ago this machine costed someone $30k, and that's before you include the $1k monitor stand."

    • @kingartheus6736
      @kingartheus6736 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      By then people will be amazed that apple included the motherboard for that price. Probably in the future apple will go RED and sell everyhting separately at stupid prices with poor customer services and warranties.... Wait a minute....

    • @crylune
      @crylune 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can buy several Threadripper 3990X's and create SEVERAL powerful liquid cooled workstations for the price of a Mac Pro 2019. Christ.

    • @straightpipediesel
      @straightpipediesel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope. Go configure an HP Z8 fully loaded. $130,000.

    • @willow_1
      @willow_1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@straightpipediesel well if we're going for that then why not just go for the nVidia DGX2 - $400k.

    • @straightpipediesel
      @straightpipediesel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@willow_1 Because a HP Z8 is a deskside tower workstation, like the Mac Pro. A DGX2 is a rack mount system designed for datacenters, which is clearly not the same class as a workstation. The comparable Nvidia system would be the DGX Station, which is cheaper at $50k.

  • @ReminiscenceGarage
    @ReminiscenceGarage 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The HUGE model 95 at the end reminded me I've got one of those! Saved it from the scrapyard at my dad's workplace 15 years ago. There where about 50 or so other PS/2 models (and model M keyboards!) that I did not take home with me. Oh if I would have known... My model 95 has 3 SCSI drives, a ton of memory, a 486DX2 and was running Windows NT 4.0 Server if I recall correctly. And O My God, the sound when it was switched on. Sounded like an airconditioning unit. I should go look for it in the attic and give it some love.

  • @duneharv
    @duneharv 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nostalgia indeed. I´d love to see you reviewing the setup of the system. I used to tinker with with the PS/2 series back in the day and those systems required a floppy disk. It didn´t come with a BIOS confguration program on an EPROM IC. Also, it was requrired to reconfigure EVERY device attached to the MCA bus EVERY time ANY changes was made to the hardware including the hard drive attached to the SCSI adapter. I almost got insane with frustration when changing any hardware in those machines.

  • @pumpuppthevolume
    @pumpuppthevolume 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I want a 17k pc from 2019

    • @pumpuppthevolume
      @pumpuppthevolume 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Logical Phallusy...... done

    • @oniinu
      @oniinu 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Just buy an Alienware laptop, it'll be the same price and have all of the best mid-range specs from 2014!

    • @Nesseight
      @Nesseight 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@oniinu Man, I was so triggered when someone who had bought Alienware five years ago thought his PC stood up to modern standards and bragged about it on the MSN Gaming Zone...
      (this was a long time ago...)... ... (... way more than five years have passed...)... ...

  • @ianhoward8944
    @ianhoward8944 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    AH the glorious sounds of fans and hard disks spinning to life.

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LGR makes me time traveling, greetings to you my friend.

  • @enilenis
    @enilenis 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally finished my 486 DX2 build 2 weeks ago. This weekend going to do another video on getting it to network under DOS. I'm surprised that virtually none of retro youtubers, aside from Nostalgia Nerd covered that topic.

  • @SylvesterAshcroft88
    @SylvesterAshcroft88 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    1gb in 1990 would have lasted forever, unless if you were developing software, games, or rendering graphics that was insane for the time, no wonder this beast was so expensive.

    • @nadirjofas3140
      @nadirjofas3140 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      1gb?

    • @Roboprogs
      @Roboprogs 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gotta get that DB2 server up and running! :-)
      I'm pretty sure IBM made an OS/2 port of DB2, anyway...

  • @GregGrimReaper86
    @GregGrimReaper86 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When you turned it on, I thought I was listening to the THX logo at the start of a movie.

  • @grayfox1471
    @grayfox1471 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for recording the boot sounds. It's like an old song to my ears.

  • @pauljamieson4210
    @pauljamieson4210 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ive watched a bunch of your videos, and thankfully i have a bunch more to go. I love em 👍👍

  • @Gojiro7
    @Gojiro7 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OOOOH!!! i see a copy of BOB in the background :D please Clint, tell me you'll do a review of that sometime

  • @danielcraig243
    @danielcraig243 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's 2019 and still no MCA episode :(

  • @Jesusisyhwh
    @Jesusisyhwh 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:13 now that is a proper keyboard. You have to love the sounds of mechanical keyboards! Clicky keyboards as CGP Grey calls them.

  • @idlejim
    @idlejim 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey man, you should come to Cambridge, UK sometime - we have a museum of computing history here (being the birthplace of companies like Sinclair Radionics and still the home of ARM) which is full of relics, oddities and computing miscellanea of yesteryear that I'm sure you would love. Okay, it's a bit of a journey from where you are, but still! If you're ever in the UK, be sure to pay it a visit :) I wouldn't be at all surprised if the staff watch your channel either!

  • @mbr41
    @mbr41 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I miss those days when you turn on any type of pc and they would roar so loud

  • @MichaelAStanhope
    @MichaelAStanhope 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For the PS/2 geeks out there, Peter Wendt in Germany still has his MCA & PS/2 page up, although it hasnt been updated in a decade. The best place to go if you need information, ADF files for those pesky MCA cards, or any other info!
    www.mcamafia.de/mcapage0/mcaindex.htm

    • @dennissmith9577
      @dennissmith9577 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Whoooaa! Michael Stanhope! Haven't heard that name in more than 15 years. I think I sold you a PS/2 Model 95 back around 1998 or 99 as well as conversing on the comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware Usenet newsgroup.

    • @dennissmith9577
      @dennissmith9577 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      BTW, Peter Wendt is alive and well. He still uses one of his PS/2s Model 95s running OS/2 Warp for making circuit board outline graphics.

  • @iscander_s
    @iscander_s 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, and thanks for that booting sound!

  • @ultrametric9317
    @ultrametric9317 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Price or not, these were wonderful machines. The Microchannel architecture was light years advanced over ISA and EISA and not until PCI years later was it approached. Licensing it for a trivial fee is not why it failed. True story - I had to fix a database machine - a PS/2 Model 55 386/16 that had been running continuously - NEVER TURNED OFF - for 11 years! The DOS conventional memory available for dBase III indices was at long last exhausted after all that time. Its function was to print invoices for a moving company. 11 years!!! I upgraded DOS and bought them some more time with MEMMAKER which added another 15k or so of conventional memory for indices. It was an astounding example of the absolute bulletproof reliability of these machines.