I think calling d-wheel crashes voiding the duel is because it’s a motorcycle crash and it’s far more important to get help rather than worry about the results of a card game and ensure whatever interference that the duel mode might bring isn’t brought
Not just this duel, a lot of other duel Yusei keep using Speed Warrior even though that always lead to nothing. Yusei just really like his speed warrior
King of the Netherworld - “Ha! Yusei lost, his soul is mine!” Crimson Dragon - “Nah lol his bike broke so it doesn’t count.” King of the Netherworld - “God damn it Konami.”
The Crimson Dragon watching from the sidelines like "Well you see _technically_ he didn't lose to Kalin, he lost to his bike and the bike isn't part of the Duel so he didn't lose the Duel due to interference beyond his control, therefore it's void." KoTH: "I really hate you."
Yes, I agree that Yusei could have won. That being said, his reliance to his basic combo is what almost ended him. It could also have been addresses more, like the time he refused to use Synchro Monsters against Meklords.
Meklords are still garbage. Cause Yusei doesnt know what negation or Mirror Force is. Also anime Meklords are worse then Tag Force Meklords and Tag Force version sucks too
@@mystery8820 Lol, Meklords in Tag Force are still garbage. Mirror Force Skill Drain Solemn Judgement/Warning System Down Lightning Vortex Torrentrial Tribute Bottomlless Trap Hole freaking Smashing Ground Hammer Shot, and my Personal Favorite Judgement Dragon destroys these pitiful machines. Meklords have never been good. Tag Force giving Yliaster Solidarity and Targeting protection to the Meklord parts, they are still bad
Personally, I think the ending of the duel and it being declared void is pretty fitting in a way. The damage to Yusei’s runner was inflicted by Kalin’s monsters, and their attacks were incredibly aggressive with the added power of the Dark Signers. At this point, Kalin is shown to be pretty violent and lacking in restraint, so him losing out on a legitimate win because of that lack of restraint feels in line with the story surrounding his character.
@@Deathmare235 is it more a fault of his "duel disk" though? If joey couldn't duel because his duel disk got fried by Ra then the duel would probably be void.
Or the writers just wanted a reason to not make Yusei officially lose so they said, "Uhhhh duel runner go brrr" and everyone on the boardroom clapped in agreement lol
It's kind of funny that Kalin admonished Yusei for using the same moves as always, and if Yusei hadn't summoned speed warrior on his first turn like always, he could've won.
This also leads back to what Jack said about Yusei being predictable and using a lot of the same combos over and over. He adapts in his duels instead of building a consistent deck. Yusei is like a person using a 60 card deck.
@@aceclover758😂 listen as a 60 card player....sometimes you just need alot of avenues and ways of getting around in battle...and you reeeeaaally want to make sure you get all of the contingency plans in there too. XD and so what if they are all themed
I know that what I'm about to say is very unlikely, but I like to imagine that sometimes the writers who write these duels, think about alternative ways that the losing character could have won and vice versa. And I like to imagine that this was one such case where they figured they could write you say a way to win, had he not done what he is habitually done in the past.
I'm guessing Yusei started with Speed Warrior because he always liked to revive it via Junk Synchron when he eventually loses it so he can make Junk Warrior. He uses this combo so many times
I feel like everyone (in the show) kinda gets that Yusei did take the L in that duel, but as to why he doesn't die to the shadow game here, I have some headcanon about this. The duel being declared void is a weird signer formality, but it is a loss, just that it's not a loss for the purposes of the shadow duel. The Signers & Dark Signers have "a thing", and the Earthbound Immortals are considered another type of God Card which we know from Ra alone how temperamental they can be. At the end of the day, Shadow Duels are a type of duelling ritual, and rituals have strict rules & procedures. It makes sense in that regard that Yusei can lose the duel here, but because of this technicality in HOW he lost the duel (even if he'd have lost by valdi means 2 seconds later) it's not a valid or proper loss as far as the shadows/ EI's are concerned. It's not entirely unlike how Joey autolost for passing out despite being in the middle of declaring the winning attack. You even mentioned about how in riding duels the duellists can take deliberate evasive manoeuvres to avoid attacks from enemy monster to buy themselves time to think and respond; 5ds doesn't have action cards or the like how Arc-V does, and normal duels aren't supposed to cause real damage, so there'd be no function to being allowed to do this otherwise, it really is just to snag a few extra seconds. Which is relevant because it establishes that moving out of the way of an attack means the attack hasn't completed yet including as far as the rules are concerned; Driving skill literally has an impact on the game's mechanics and can extend individual parts of the damage steps without directly changing what happens in them. Which means EI Apu pushing Yusei away was effectively delaying it's own attack landing even from a rules standpoint, and when that resulted in Yusei being incapable of continuing the duel, he's lost sure but it's by default. He lost because he was rendered unable to continue. lost Kalin won the duel, but EI Apu technically didn't connect it's killing blow because the force of it's attack pushed Yusei and his runner out of the way and rendered them unable to continue the fight. Now would I be arguing this is how it should work if the loss had counted and Yusei actually died here? No probably not. This is mostly just my attempt to rationalise the version of events we did get from an in-lore standpoint. Of course the simplest answer, that they couldn't just kill off a main character and THE MAIN main character at that, so they had to write around it, but wanted to show that Kalin & presumably the true Dark Signers as a whole are a formidable threat. So narratively, Kalin had to get the win or at least as close to a concrete one as they could provide, but being a Dark Signer there's no way he wouldn't be running a Shadow Game going off've what's already established about the Dark Signers by this point; Kalin needs to win the duel for threat establishment to pair with the stakes that people are disappearing as they're sacrificed to the EI's, but because *it will be a shadow duel* Yusei cannot afford to lose here, and this is what we got. It's funny though how Yusei could've made Kalin look pretty weak by leading with Rockstone Warrior. Kinda weird choice when considering we know how good he's supposed to be that he'd lead with a temporary 1800 attacker instead of the full time one, but who knows maybe he thought that'd be "overextending" or "pushing too hard to early, especially with that face-down; I can possibly recover Speed Warrior if I lose them with things like Junk Syncron at least" or something,
As to why yusei went with the temp version probably is the talk-no-jutsu problem. He was too hesitant to go full out because all he remembered about Kalin was being friends with him and thought, he'd be able to convince him to turn to the good side again (which arguably only happened with Jack and Carly and they where the only ones with whom that worked well with). Yusei simply lacked the intent to get "serious", which sadly is a continues problem throughout the entire show.
@@TheGuyCalledNotorious True, I'd gotten caught up in the shadow duel effects I forgot about the duel runner being damaged & failing being a part of this.
Let's assume he thought Kalin was using his old Deck, as he think he is calling a bluff with the amulet. He would know what his decks strenght is and probably tried to play around that. I don't know what exactly Kalins old strategy was, therefore I can't be sure, but if we assume he had a lot of spot removal or stealing opposing creatures it might have been a decsnt thought? Of course that's just a lot of if and so on. He definitely should have played Rockstone Warrior.
@@overfailed3639 His enforcer deck was a archfiend/level 4 beatdown deck that featured Archfiend General and Vorse Raider. Yusei knew immediately that Kalin was playing a new deck due to the fact that Kalin summoned an Infernity monster (that he never owned), and the fact that because he was sent to prison, his enforcer deck was confiscated (which Yusei would've known). The thing that caught Yusei off guard was that Kalin was frequently discarding, as Yusei quotes: "The only thing Kalin hates more than a losing hand is an empty hand". Yusei was most likely saving Rockstone warrior for more defensive plays once his Speed Warrior got rolled.
I don't think Kalin wanted to take Yusei's soul. There was a scene where Roman Goodwin yelled at Kalin for not finishing Yusei off and Kalin said something along the lines of completely crushing Yusei's spirit, a more unpleasant outcome for Yusei.
It is true that Kalin wanted to finish Yusei off but consider which fate is worse: terminating your opponent instantly or forcing them to live with the perpetuated haunting memory of their stinging defeat?
@@hassandahab3050 Especially because it works. For a while, Yusei is completely traumatized by facing a corrupted friend and nearly dying to the Earthbound Immortal, to the point where he's afraid of Dueling for a good long while.
There's a difference between what happened with Yusei vs. Kalin and what Team Catastrophe were doing. The difference is, in Yusei vs. Kalin, it's not only not a duel in a tournament with regulations, it's a ritual, with the loser having their soul sacrificed to the Earthbound Immortals. The duel never finished properly, so the ritual wasn't completed. Yusei effectively "lost," yes, but not in the terms the ritual needed in order to be completed. It saw the start, the middle, but it did not see the end, thus cancelling the shadow duel.
Sorry for the late response, but wouldn't that case also cause a precedent where, everyone fighting against Dark Signers could just crash on purpose in a way that doesn't hurt them much but damages it just enough to make the result void? I mean, having a few scratches and bruises is way better than having your soul eaten
@@roncerjani9063Yusei (or any other character for that matter) never figured this out. They thought Yusei survived because the duel became a void, not that the “ritual” was incomplete.
@@roncerjani9063I mean, technically yes, but there are two factors that prevent this; the first is that quite a few of the duels with the Dark Signers are not Turbo Duels, so they don't have that option. And the second is that strategy requires crashing a moving racing vehicle going 100 mph. Yusei's lucky he only got shrapnel in his gut from that.
I love hearing you talk about Yugioh. It is very fun and personally, I think Yusei lost because not only did he have a shrapnel in his stomach and nearly died but the fact that he lost to an old friend who still blames him for what happened and Yusei is now scared of that, it gave him just a bit more character in my eyes.
To be fair, everyone in the anime counts it as a loss, so it should be a loss. More than likely that in order for the Dark Signers to steal your soul, the final attack has to physically land. Kalin's EI didn't hit Yusei before his duel runner broke down, so while Yusei lost, he couldn't get his soul stolen. I could be wrong, but that's what I've assumed for years at this point.
What makes the crash argument tricky, in my opinion, is that we have 2 different set of rules. Team Catastrophe was dueling under the WRGP, with official declared rules as laid out by tournament organizers. Normally duel runners aren't equipped to take the kind of punishment that shadow-turbo duels inflict since they aren't supposed to be used in that way. In DM we see Joey both win and lose in Battle City finals because the official declared the duelist unable to continue the duel. This duel operated under the rules of The King of the Netherworld (I guess?) which clearly state that the loser gives up their soul. I guess the king declared it a draw since no one's soul is addressed, but apparently Kalin could have taken his soul because Roman scolds him for not doing it? (Unless in the Japanese he's talking about killing Yusei outright, I legitimately don't know). It may be just plot armor, but the duel is officially a draw as declared by the rules laid out by the "tournament organizer".
Also, pre-WRGP, duel runners were on auto-pilot during duels. Since normal (non-shadow) duels just use advanced holograms and not real monsters, the only way the riders would crash is if: a) the duelist crashed on purpose b) the auto-pilot fails, or c) the runner was sabotaged before or during the duel. In a legitimate duel, these are all unlikely, so it's possible they simply hadn't considered it. Also, since WRGP rules forbid use of the auto-pilot, it makes sense they would update the rules to accommodate for human error. It should be noted that even in WRGP, crashing does NOT immediately count as a loss. Jack's runner DID crash at one point, and all that happened was that each time the opponent lapped him, they gained 1 free speed counter, and if they maxed out, his team would start to lose counters. And if those ran out, THEN you lose. Team 5D's was allowed to continue because Jack was able to get up and push his damaged runner into the pit before that happened.
I consider it a DQ. Jack and Crow got knocked off their runners against Godwin and were disqualified, but didn't die. The same thing probably happened to Yusei, but since it was 1v1 and Kiryu had nobody else in the duel to face him, it ended prematurely.
The way I see it the match would be a dq since yusei did crash and was unable to continue. The reason he didn't lose his soul is because technically his life points weren't reduced to zero before the crash as it would be the only logical reason.
To be fair to Yusei, he was playing his way, he likes to open with Speed Warrior, feel out his Opponent and besides, he was playing on the assumption that Kallin was still playing his same game of "the only Hand worse than a bad one was an empty one"! And, as you rightly point out, Hand Advantage has always been a thing in Yu-Gi-Oh!, both Animé/Manga and real life, so you can't really blame him for not expecting Kallin's, as you said, "1% Play"! We all get surprised now and again! Last Tournament I entered I didn't expect to be matched up against Buster Blader, but I was! And after Neos at that, I might add!
A duel I was always curious about was Aster vs Adrian from GX. The thing I remember most about that duel was how Aster was rushing to make sure Adrian couldn’t complete Exodia and I would be interested in seeing your analysis of it. 🤔
Great video as always! Keep it up! As a hardcore 5DS fan I just wanted to point out a few things: Hyper Synchrons Anime effect doesnt banish the synchro monster after the next standby phase. It doesn’t banish it at all. Just gives a 800 atk boost and grants battle destruction immunity (the 800 boost is same as in the tcg/ocg but no battle destruction immunity, thats just an anime thing). Second thing is in 5DS most of the turbo duels, the d-wheels go into stand-by Auto Pilot mode during duels, only later on with the release of speed world 2 auto pilot wasn’t available. One of the reason, Yusei ultimately crashed was because the Dark Signers could make the damage taken in duels real which lead to Yusei getting off track due to the shock from the attacks etc. In tournaments crashing in a turbo duel means that you automatically get disqualified and losing the duel. It was a legit win condition but it got a lot more relevant later on in the series with speed world 2 since auto pilot wasnt applied anymore. So yeah u also needed to have a solid motor cycle and a deck lol. Have a good one!
Honestly I always liked yusei for how dedicated he was to his patterns. He almost always summons speed warrior turn one. It’s a flaw that, as this video has shown, bites him in the ass at times but one I find helps to add to the idea hes “loyal to his cards”. It’s a huge point in his character he learned after jack stole his stardust dragon. And to answer the question: it depends who crashed it. If the driver crashes on his/her own then they should lose. If the opponent caused it they should be DQ’d or the loss should be null.
Good idea for sure, as I patiently wait for a video regarding Alexis VS Jaden in Episode 94 of GX. All she had to do was play a facedown and Flare Neos loses strength, and because Neo Space isn't out, would return to the Extra Deck. Jaden would've been left wide open!
Yusei: * tells Leo he needs to be adaptable when dueling* Also Yusei's 1st 3 plays in 99% of duels: 1) summon Speed Warrior or other lv 2 monster. 2) set Scrap Iron Scarecrow. 3) summon junk synchron next turn, revive lv 2 if necessary, and then synchro summon junk warrior.
Was waiting for you to get to a yusei duel in this series. He is my favorite yugioh character ever and his duels tend to be some of my favorites. Both story wise, and the card game aspect wise.
The victory in this duel is Kalin, no question. Mostly because of that Immortal’s anime ability that stopped Scrap-Iron Scarecrow from blocking that attack, there way no way Yusei would make a comeback from that one attack.
@@EnclosedPoolArea if he needed to win for the plot, he’d draw anime card of sanctity which would screw over Kalin by giving him 6 cards and also give him the perfect 6 to destroy the board. Because plot armour. Thankfully, he lost instead
I was always kinda annoyed how the plot stopped Yusei from losing Duels x3 the one with Kalin was fine because it established the Dark Signers as a threat without losing the main character, but I draw the line at Jean from Team Unicorn throwing a well laid out plan because he wanted to "beat Yusei with his own strength." I also think he should have lost to Vizor the first time they fought and even think Jack should have won the final Duel against Yusei. Not only would it have concluded a major character arc where Jack truly becomes the strongest, as Yusei wasn't interested in being King, but it would have been the first Ceremonial Duel where the main character actually loses. Addendum: just would have made more sense for Jack to defeat Yusei if only to make his title as World King make more sense, as Jack would never accept the title if only because Yusei didn't want it, as even if his loss to Yusei in Season 1 early on wasn't seen by the city, Jack still considered it a loss and wanted to win against Yusei fair and square.
The thing that really annoyed me with Jean throwing the duel, they could have just given Yusei a different hand effect, or a graveyard effect, to deal the finishing blow without Jean throwing.Then again, it wasn't single elimination, so they could have lost the tournament to learn about how to synergize their decks and up the stakes of the next duel I like that Vizor threw, but I think he should have turned the situation around first.
@@andrewwestfall65 Just having Jean be afraid of a hand trap or GY effect would make sense since in that duel Yusei was using a lot of them. Yes you can check opponent's cards legally but characters in the anime don't do that very often. Honestly the whole Team Unicorn thing is also a negative side effect of pumping up Andore and making him easily defeat 2/3rds of Team 5D's complete with the 5D's team members making misplays and other contrivances. Going off the "Jean could have checked the GY" that still applies to Jack's misplays since he'd have been able to read Andore's cards. But we don't talk about how ridiculous the circumstances leading UP to Jean were for... Some reason.
I'm okay with Andore beating Jack because his deck was tailor made to, but I feel like Aki shouldn't have lost to him, given that it was her last turbo duel onscreen. And the whole "Yusei takes on all three of them at once" thing was a pretty cool concept, but Jean could've beaten him, so he didn't really beat all three of them legit anyway.
Actually just watched this duel and was wondering if it would ever get covered here. What timing! Also, I hate to be that guy, but in the hypothetical section, Kallen could have chosen to not discard his dark tuner, when they attacked, as he would probably figure that's a card he does need to get on the field at some point. From there it's a matter of what was used to attack what and so on, so tracking gets complicated. That is just more pathways I could see it going.
Every time I see one of these videos I eternally celebrate just a bit. They’re such a high quality and really entertaining watch. Also this is definitely a loss for yusei because if he didn’t crash he would’ve definitively lost.
Always had been one of my favorite duels I remember watching a few times on Saturday mornings I'm so very happy and satisfied you made this video. The end of the duel always made me sad..
The Infernity Deck was a surprising set of cards that work while having an empty hand. The story between Yusei and Kalin revealed how bad life was in the Satellite. Again, I would suggest an analysis of the duel between Jaden Yuki and Yubel from Yu-Gi-Oh GX Season 3 Finale.
Personally , I see this as a loss because in a Speed Duel, both are on D-Wheels or some vehicle in some shape or form and if that vehicle is disabled , technically the duellist can’t carry on . Of course this was thrown away in Yugo/Rin in Arc-V when Yugo’s D-Wheel broke and the duel was continued with both on their feet
Agree this is a loss even though yusi passed out if we look at the duel with Maric vs Joey then when Joey passed out he lost hence yusi passed out so it's a loss
That’s the irony of the crash argument is in the next season a team literally wins their matches based on making enemy team crash . Personally I’d either set up a rematch if it was a accident or sabotage. But if they just fell off for no reason then no run back and I’m glad they explored this topic in next season with that other team
Well the thing is that in that season they said the broken D-Wheel rule was something from the WRGP, we don't know if that applies to all Riding/Turbo Duels
And then Team Catastrophe crashes by their own bullshit tactics and unable to "pass the baton" as a result, so they got served sweet karma courtesy of Jack Atlas 😎
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu in the Manga which while after GX comes out after the Anime series, it is an established rule that you you STOP your Duel runner in a turbo duel you lose. Crashing is stopping if you lose all your momentum. Considering how the YuGiOh franchise started though, I do consider the series to be like most Anime and the Manga being what determines Canon. Yes the Manga's tell a Vastly Different story GX onwards, but they have a set established rules for duels
I have to laugh at Synchro Destructor's effect, because it literally just written as it is so that Damage Translation can make two tokens to be tributed to summon the Earthbound Immortal after. It is such a clear moment of making cards with effects for the sake of the end result the writers wanted, which is nothing new but is one of the most clear examples of it.
They could've just as well make it so that the user would get 2 tokens for each 1000 damage negated. The damage would have been 2500, so 2 tokens. It blends in like a charm. But no, we need to have the same damage inflicted in the same turn but in 2 rates for some bullshit reason.
These vids are great, keep up the phenomenal work. I personally would love to see Quatro vs Shark / Nasch. Could Quatro have pulled through and beat the Barian Emperor himself, or was he doomed to fail?
That's a hard one, because Nasch came prepped for even C88, though there is one scenario in which Quatro could have flipped the script. Turn 3 (Quatro, 1900 LP): Quatro uses that same spell as in the anime (don't remember the name) to get back No. 15 which had been eaten by No. 101 on the previous turn. He then plays RUM Argent Chaos Force to summon No. C15 (2500 ATK). Now, instead of using its effect right away, Quatro should have attacked normally, dealing 400 damage to Nasch (4000 -> 3600) and forcing No. 101 to ditch its last material to survive as per its anime effect. And THEN Quatro could safely use C15's effect to blow up 101 and deal the latter's 2100 ATK to Nasch as damage (3600 -> 1500) which had the potential to change the outcome. Especially since C88 does a whopping 4000 burn per proc in the anime...
@@cameraredeye3115I thinks this hypothetical is based on hindsight because I’m sure most people would attempt to destroy Number 101 with an effect first then attempt to attack directly.
A line most of us dub fans practically have etched into our minds is “Once your friend yes but now, YOUR ENEMY!” Because they play that exact clip plays in damn near 12 episodes
love this series and how you you have made them to where you really dont know the answer until you watch it by the way youve made others. Id love a supreme king duel lol Evil Heros are a personal favorite
In all honesty, I think that Yusei did lose this duel, since he had no way to stop the direct attack of the earthbound immortal. It is only because of the crashing of his duel runner, that Yusei survived the duel at all. Also, even if Yusei had a play that could have changed the entire outcome of the duel, the fact that Yusei didn't make that move still happened and it cost Yusei the duel. Plus, the writers could have just made it so that Yusei still would have lost.
A fascinating analysis and hypothetical! However, I offer this hypothetical in response: Kalin could have secured victory and possibly Yusei's demise had he just made a different opening play himself! Just play *his* clearly stronger monster! Use Infernity Archfiend instead of Infernity Beast! Seriously, there was no benefit to him in playing Beast over the Archfiends. Kalin starts by setting Depth Amulet as normal, and summons Infernity Archfiend, leaving Yusei needing to get over an 1800 ATK monster instead of a 1600 ATK monster. Which...his opening hand can't do. At best, he can play either Speed Warrior or Rockstone Warrior and ram it into Archfiend to remove them both, but Kalin would simply negate it with Depth Amulet, discarding Infernity Beast. Yusei sets Scrap-Iron Scarecrow and Shard of Hope and ends his turn with one warrior on the field. Let's assume Yusei doesn't have the benefit of foresight to know he'll draw into Junk Synchron next turn, so he makes the more stable play of Rockstone Warrior, planning to tune it with Hyper Synchron next turn and get out Stardust Dragon. Kalin's turn. He draws Damage Translation, and reveals he has a second Infernity Archfiend, which he summons to the field. But to Yusei's surprise, he doesn't attack. Why? Because Kalin *needs* two monsters on the field to summon his tuner. He can afford to let Yusei attack him thanks to his trap, but he can't afford to give up his archfiends. He sets Damage Translation and ends his turn. Yusei draws Junk Synchron, then summons Hyper Synchron to synchro summon Stardust Dragon, complete with Hyper's boost to 3300 ATK. He activates Shard of Hope, then attacks to force Kalin to discard, which Kalin gladly does by getting rid of Infernity Guardian. Kalin's turn again, and he draws Infernity Dwarf. He sacrifices his Archfiends to summon his tuner, which special summons Dwarf so he can dark synchro One Hundred-Eyed Dragon as normal. However, his dragon isn't strong enough to destroy Yusei's...yet. He ends his turn. Yusei draws Synchro Destructor, and attacks with Stardust Dragon. The attack succeeds since Kalin has no cards to fuel Depth Amulet, but Kalin reveals his dragon's ability as Stardust fails to destroy it. However, it still deals 300 damage to Kalin, reducing him to 3700 LP. This triggers Shard of Hope, causing Yusei to draw Level Warrior. As it isn't a trap, Level Warrior is discarded. Yusei sets Synchro Destructor, and ends his turn, causing Depth Amulet to leave the field. Back to Kalin, who draws Speed Spell - Power Baton. And this is where things go south for Yusei. Kalin activates the spell, sending Infernity Guardian to the graveyard to boost his dragon to 5300 ATK and attacks. Yusei tries to save Stardust with his Scarecrow, but One Hundred-Eyed Dragon's effect cancels that. And since it's Stardust being attacked instead of Rockstone Warrior, Yusei takes the full 2000 battle damage plus the 800 effect damage, bringing him down to 1200 LP. That ends his turn, but there's nothing Yusei can do from here. His next draw is Miracle Locus, while the only other cards available to him are Speed Warrior, Junk Synchron, and Shard of Hope. He can play a monster in defense mode, but Kalin will simply pierce it next turn and win the duel. And here's the kicker - Yusei only gets hit near the end of this version of the duel, and only once before the deciding blow (twice if the effect damage is treated as a second hit). Without the early damage to his Duel Runner, it likely wouldn't break down in time to disqualify him and that would end up costing him his life. Now, if he *had* played Speed Warrior instead of Rockstone as his first move, the duel actually would play out like it does in canon, except with Yusei having 200 less LP due to Speed Warrior being destroyed by an Archfiend instead of Infernity Beast. So funnily enough, in this version of the duel playing Speed Warrior first was the right call. But in the end, he'd still lose. All Kalin would have had to do different to ensure his victory...is play his Archfiends instead of his Beast.
While I believe that a D-wheel crash should considered a loss as driving should be considered an extension to life points as a speed duel is also based on the drivers skill but this time should cause the crash was less of Yusei lacking skill and more of an unforeseen situation caused by Kalen's earthbound immortal which if going by a regular turbo duel situation shouldn't be able to actually deal any physical damage to opponent.
So basically Kalen does an illegal move by physically attacking the opponent and should have been disqualified at that point, which is before Yusei's D-Wheel got disabled?
@@ZenoDLC The earthbound immortals cause real damage to you when they attack you. You're actual being attacked by a actual monster which is sort of cheating.
I do have to just ask for the potential plays I have two questions to ask. 1. Did he have to summon the dwarf or could he have kept it in hand? I forgot if amulet had run out at that point 2. Would Stardust be banished? I know The real world hyper synchron does have that effect but Ive never seen it be resolved in any of the duels Yuseis used it in. Both against Jack Atlas and here against Kalin
To answer point 2: The Anime Effect of Hyper Synchron does provide the same ATK Boost and Destruction Immunity as its real-life counterpart, but the Banishment Effect is different. The Synchro Monster Summoned using it not being Banished until the Player's 2nd Standby Phase after it's Summoning. In the instances of this in the Anime, said 2nd Standby Phase never happened.
Huh... I learned something new for a change. I never realized that Yusei's D-Wheel actually broke down. I always thought he was just a sore loser and crashed it on purpose. But watching this, I do see that we got to see how Yusei's D-Wheel did explode before the crash...
Well, that was quite fun. And I am late to the party as always. xD Anyway, I really like watching all of these duel analysis parts of you because I discover everytime something new and keep my joy for Yugioh alive. Keep up the awesome work! :D P.S. This duel while the Dark Signer Arc is for me one of the best remembered just because I loved to see the dynamic between Yusei and Kalin. Especially because he came back later again. I love something like that. Greetings from Germany o/
I have a weird headcanon that the crashing rule, etc aren't exactly part of duelling rules. But are instead part of the Speed World card. So if we take both this duel and the one with Team Catastrophe in mind, Yusei *did* lose according to the Field Spell rules, but got a voided result for the Dark Signer rules due to him not hitting 0 LP, hence him not being killed off from losing.
100% should be a loss, but the show can't do that to the main character, since he'd lose his soul. You'd either have to have it happen to one of the side characters and have Yusei come back and beat them, maybe bringing their soul back, I don't remember if it worked that way in 5D's. Similarly, you could have Yusei lose, have somebody else beat Kalin, and bring Yusei's soul back, having him around for the final duel. It wouldn't even be the first time they'd had the protagonist lose a duel and go sort of catatonic. Yugi sort of lost himself after the loss to Kaiba, because of his conflicted feelings about the pharoh's spirit and the lengths to which it was willing to go to win, and ultimately had to be brought out of it by...Téa of all people, dueling against Mai.
This was a great video you're very good at finding details and little tricks that I didnt even know about. Next video for 5ds I want to see crow vs greiger that duel is one of the closest
@@wolverineisdaman They’re both interchangeable,What makes Kiryu’s sadder is he got betrayed and he committed suicide and lived with his sin,Bakura lived and dedicated his life for revenge.
When you said that yusei could summon Rockstone Warrior instead of Speed Warrior and basically Kalin can't make a comeback: Note that Kalin could potentially not set his Damage Translation on his second turn and than when yusei attack in his second turn with Rockstone Warrior and Speed Warrior - Kalin would have 2 cards to discard: Damage Translation and Infernity Guardian, and on his next turn when he draw Infernity Dwarf he still has 2 monsters and he still could tribute them to summon Dark Tuner Nightmare Hand and bring One Hundred-Eyed Dragon. Basically not all his lost for Kalin.
I want to quickly point out that in both the real game and in the Anime, Depth Amulet is optional. Kalin does not have to discard his Dark Tuner, but he would still be left one monster short to summon it. Edit: Upon rewatching, another inquiry that could give Kalin a chance is choosing not only to refuse summoning his first Infernity Archfiend, but also discarding one for the effect of Depth Amulet, instead of the guardian. This gives him an extra discard for Depth Amulet to at least keep beast in the duel and later set up an invincible Infernity Guardian, letting him, paradoxically, see more draws later in the duel, like perhaps an Infernity Launcher? Now that would make for an interesting turn, watching Kalin pull the patented "Infernity Deck vomiting the entire Extra Deck onto the board" trick on Yusei and winning like that.
Personally, I still see this as a loss for Yusei. Also, if you're looking for more Duels to look at, how about where a player tried to go for a Deck Out in, like Yuma vs Vector at the Sarago Field.
Oh, I just thought of another Duel that could be kind of interesting. Dextra(Droite) vs Vetrix(Tron). Mainly because one, we see their entire hands, except the card Vextrix draws on his last turn, so we can analyze what were the best moves they could make, and two, because Dextra made two major miss plays during her last turn: The first one being she paid 2000 LP to keep Butterfly Swarm in play, but she really didn't need the card and two she summoned Photon Alexandra in Defense mode instead of Attack mode. If she had done both of these things, she'd have 4000 LP and a monster with more attack than Number 8, of course, Number 8's effect could reduce Alexandra's attack to 0 and make its own attak equal to Alexandra's attack so it would still be destroyed and Dextra would drop to 1600 LP, but she'd still be in the Duel and unless Vetrix either played a Monster or drew a card to negate effect damage then the effect of the Field Spell Jungle Field would wipe Vetrix out and even if he did avoid it, Dextra would have bought herself another turn to maybe make a comeback.
Most Yuma/Astral duels in ZEXAL would be pointless to even analyze since they can just go into ZEXAL and Shining Draw a win (What Atem used to subconciously do but shamelessly). Yuma's duel against Vector literally ended up Yuma printing out a card to replace his very last card, so I doubt it'd even matter. As for Dextra yea, that was a very bad and obvious misplay, so I doubt it'd make a good video. ZEXAL is too different from TCG YGO in that ALL Numbers not only have always on Number Ball, but all Numbers in ZEXAL seem to have non once per turn quick effects. Also everyone plays XYZ Treasure there which is like what if Pot of Greed got powercrept. If anything, a good video might be Shark vs Quattro, although Shark can also print out cards with Chaos Draw.
18:30 in the anime, when you synchro summon a dragon with Hyper Synchron said dragon has to be banished during the player's second Standby Phase (I think it means after 2 of your (4 turns in total) turns) after the turn it was summon. HS' effect was used like this in the Jack vs Yusei duel at the Fortune Cup.
If Yusei didn’t crash during this duel then Kalin would’ve won and Yusei would’ve been killed off earlier in the Dark Signers Arc but what would’ve happened then? What would the Signers have done to defeat the Dark Signers? Anyways there are many questions of what would happen if Kalin won
Leo and Luna would have still beaten Devack, Jack would still beat Carly, Crow would still beat Greiger and Akiza would still beat Misty. However instead of misty saying "Lol 2 late loser." There was never a chance in the first place to seal the towers since Kalin wasn't yet beaten. Then Jack (and maybe crow) wouldve had to face Goodwin alone and even if jack pulled out Majestic Red Dragon to defeat Wiracoqa Rasca, Kalin would still be there as would the king of the netherworld so everyone dies, again unless Red Dragon can borrow the crimson dragon's power to drive back the king. Even then Jack wouldve had to beat Kalin himself. TL:DR Dark Signers win unless Jack becomes yusei for 3 straight duels.
@@igorlopes8463 Tetsu Ushio/Trudge would probably have to do it, considering he's the only duelist there that doesn't do any dueling during the Signers vs Dark Signers climax. One could argue that it'd be a bit cheap that a non-Signer beat the Dark Signer that beat Yusei, but Crow wasn't a Signer when he beat Bommer/Greiger - so there's precedent that it can be done. Albeit it'd still feel cheap if Ushio beat Kalin by himself.
Wait a minute, I've got a much better precedent: If Joey had a guaranteed win before he *DIED* and it was counted against him as a loss, then Yusei being in a position where he was guaranteed to lose but crashed his scooter before the animation could play out should one hundred thousand percent count as a loss. That they were in a Turbo Duel changes nothing, because as soon as you get on that bike you are accepting the inherit risk of playing a card game on a moving vehicle, otherwise there is simply no reason to duel in that manner at all.
dude if they count ti then yusie wodo lsot has soul and dakr signers wood win yuo know damn will ruel say the mc cant not lt the main vall win if there no way to come back for rematch
I would imagine in usual official game rules, that if your piece of technology malfunctions, the ruling is that the one whose device failed or if you caused the device to fail or disconnect, that is a DQ loss. In this scenario, I think you should have been ruled a loss, but everyone can still keep their souls.
18:56 “if he crashes his bike in the middle of a turbo duel” 1) he didn’t crash there was no collision it just stopped working (what?). It wasn’t like jalón hit him. Also, why not just spin out to avoid a loss then? 2) the attack already was declared and it was in the middle of its attack animation. There is no way this was legal
I think whether it should count as a loss or a void depends on how the D-Wheeler crashes. If it crashes because of bad driving skill by the user, it should count as a loss, however if the D-Wheeler crashes due to malfunction caused during the duel or the crash ie caused by the opponent, then it should be void.
This popped up in my “recommended” one day and I’m curious and watched this. You had a lot of good points to make out and I appreciate the thinking behind all your points. The void/loss thing is a weird thing. But (personally) I think it is ultimately a voided duel with a loss outcome if it was resolved normally since Yusei had nothing at the tine to counter or save himself from Kiryu’s Immortal. But at least it is good to see that the general overall consensus is that he did lose if it wasn’t for the fact his runner broke. Even in the anime it is acknowledged by everyone else he should have lost.
My issue with calling this is less about the crash, and more that the game-winning attack was declared and Yusei couldn't do anything about it. If we're playing and you attack for game and I don't respond, I don't get to say you forfeit when you grab your cards and walk away
Except that you can scoop when your opponent declares for game. It’s why KONAMI bans match winner cards like Victory Dragon, to prevent technicalities like that coming into play where people scoop before something like Victory Dragon’s effect goes off.
@@nuttybuddy7928 So did he lose because he scooped? If I forfeit I still lose, the Victory Dragon thing is because its effect goes off when your life points hit 0, so you scoop before it hits you. You still lose that game
@@andrewwestfall65 it's a technicality at best, but apparently the Earthbound Immortals need the Life Points to hit 0. I dunno if that means forfeits count or not, but this is the plot armor of technicalities that allows Yusei to stay alive to fight again against the Dark Signers, but everyone in universe treats it as a loss. Yusei for all intents and purposes, except for the part where he'd forfeit his life as a result. That's probably just a part of needing to make the bad guys look like a threat, as well as trying to make Yusei look less invincible. Again, I admit that it's a bit of plot armor, but at the end of the day, everyone in universe (and a majority of people IRL for that matter) consider it a loss, a loss that in the end result was the only way to have a main character lose a Shadow Duel without being banished to the Netherworld or dying, whichever you prefer.
On the "should a duel runner crash count as a loss?" debate, keep in mind a few things: 1. This was part of a larger battle between ancient spirits that wouldn't be satisfied with such an Anti-climatic finish, same with Misty's duel with Akiza. 2. This duel was more to establish the threat of the Dark Signers and their Earthbound Immortals, and they obviously aren't going to kill their main character. 3. Kalin hates Yusei with all his guts, and relishes him being pain, and really isn't going to be bothered by a no result since Yusei, as far as he knew, was going to die anyway.
Technically, unless depth amulet is mandatory, he could still keep the dark tuner in hand and done his combo, so the duel still could have been won by Kalin, but it just might be closer.
Can you do a could Yuma have beaten Kite in their 1st Duel AND discuss if a person should be disqualified from a legit tournament because they were shown live footage of a loved one dying?
An interesting side note, in the dub the debris isn't stuck in Yusei but if you go to the scene where he's dropped off at the lady who used to care for them, you can still see the blood running down his runner. I guess the dub team missed that.
ima just say it: Yusei lost this one. here, let's look at what happens if yusei's runner doesn't malfunction: Yusei takes 3k damage and loses the duel. now look at how it works WITH the runner breaking: DQ cus unable to continue the duel. so either way, KALIN WINS
I think it depends on what caused the crash. If your opponent tried to take you out, like with the hook monster or Kalin pushing him into the wall etc. then they should be DQ'd or the duel thrown out. If they're bad at driving and wreck their bike, then they lose. So an extensions of your own skill vs outside forces I guess. Think of it this way. What if the duelists were riding and the track wasn't built properly, one section of the course randomly collapsed on a duelist. Would it be fair to say they lost?
Earthbound effects in the anime + speed duels is a deadly combo.. Hell it's broken even in duel links too. Sad to say but Yusei stands no chance in this duel. Also Raid shadow legends are the real dark signers here lol.
We see in the crash town arc that he has a new ace monster In infernity doom dragon and I like to think that one hundred eyes dragon evolved into infernitity doom dragon in the same way as power tool dragon evolves into life stream dragon
Normally I’m bias towards Yusei because he’s fits that flawless character trope where he can do no wrong but objectively this duel with Kalin it should be considered a lost. Later in the season both Jack and Crow were down against Goodwin but still had 1 LP and but there weren’t able to ride even though it was turbo duel. And in a Turbo Duel you need to be able to both ride and duel and if you can’t ride then you can’t participate and if you can’t participate then you forfeit in a turbo duel
When Kalin called Yusei a traitor and said how could you in dub my heart sunk and got cold his voice actor is one of the best and it's so sad that he didn't know at the time
I'm not sure about your proposed hypothetical. I don't think Kalin would have discarded Dark Tuner in order to save either monster, as that's a key to his thousand eye dragon, and I think he'd start by discarding one of his archfiends instead of his guardian, since he can stall with the remaining turns on depth amulet and Infernity Guardian's effect after realizing he can't really go on the offensive. This hinges on whether or not speed spells can be set face down, however. But theoretically he can almost stall forever with Guardian's effect and just wait until he has his Earthbound Immortal.
17:12 Actually, I think Kalin would probably take one of those blows in order to hold on to Nightmare Hand, at least until he gets Infernity Dwarf. That way, he could still summon Hundred-Eyes Dragon and have an empty hand to use its effect.
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Was Jaden about to beat Zane in their first duel?
@@rainbowdragon168 There first duel is kinda short, I think its only like 4 or 5 turns total. However never say never, might give it a quick video.
@@TGSAnime Alright
3:00 - I don't think Dark Signers care about fair, only Victory & Sadism.
I think calling d-wheel crashes voiding the duel is because it’s a motorcycle crash and it’s far more important to get help rather than worry about the results of a card game and ensure whatever interference that the duel mode might bring isn’t brought
Not just this duel, a lot of other duel Yusei keep using Speed Warrior even though that always lead to nothing. Yusei just really like his speed warrior
It's kinda suspicious to me how often Yusei managed to start out with Speed Warrior.
@@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets it's the mark of the speed warrior.
It's more so that when he draws Junk Synchron he knows he'll be able to go straight into Junk Warrior
Speed warrior is truly his acw
@@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets he is speed, he ran to the top of the deck after shuffling
King of the Netherworld - “Ha! Yusei lost, his soul is mine!”
Crimson Dragon - “Nah lol his bike broke so it doesn’t count.”
King of the Netherworld - “God damn it Konami.”
Doesn’t count anyway as we see he threw for content
@@robertbartley2409 some duels he just have to get speed warrior out of the field no matter what and that's a bad habit.
@@CDodger24 it’s like me risking literally everything to get Divine Neos out and losing for it.
@@variouspeople6196 I mean if they somehow got divine neos out to begin with, they were likely already winning the duel.
The Crimson Dragon watching from the sidelines like
"Well you see _technically_ he didn't lose to Kalin, he lost to his bike and the bike isn't part of the Duel so he didn't lose the Duel due to interference beyond his control, therefore it's void."
KoTH: "I really hate you."
This duel was an absolutely prime example of how infernities can either pop off super hard or just eat shit lmao
I mean you don't expect the opponent to fill your hand
Yes, I agree that Yusei could have won. That being said, his reliance to his basic combo is what almost ended him. It could also have been addresses more, like the time he refused to use Synchro Monsters against Meklords.
Synchro Monsters are 5D’s core identity.
If they don’t use it, then it’s not 5D’s
Meklords are still garbage.
Cause Yusei doesnt know what negation or Mirror Force is.
Also anime Meklords are worse then Tag Force Meklords and Tag Force version sucks too
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Umm, Solidarity turns Meklords in Tag Force into monstrosities.
@@mystery8820 Lol, Meklords in Tag Force are still garbage. Mirror Force Skill Drain Solemn Judgement/Warning System Down Lightning Vortex Torrentrial Tribute Bottomlless Trap Hole freaking Smashing Ground Hammer Shot, and my Personal Favorite Judgement Dragon destroys these pitiful machines. Meklords have never been good. Tag Force giving Yliaster Solidarity and Targeting protection to the Meklord parts, they are still bad
I'm on that arc now specifically the little boy with the blue meklord battling the twins on their duel boards.
Personally, I think the ending of the duel and it being declared void is pretty fitting in a way. The damage to Yusei’s runner was inflicted by Kalin’s monsters, and their attacks were incredibly aggressive with the added power of the Dark Signers. At this point, Kalin is shown to be pretty violent and lacking in restraint, so him losing out on a legitimate win because of that lack of restraint feels in line with the story surrounding his character.
Joey lost because he couldn’t duel but then with Yusei it’s a draw
@@Deathmare235 is it more a fault of his "duel disk" though? If joey couldn't duel because his duel disk got fried by Ra then the duel would probably be void.
@@MrBusrunner if his duel disk got fried it would still be a loss or he gets a new one though it’s probably the former
Or the writers just wanted a reason to not make Yusei officially lose so they said, "Uhhhh duel runner go brrr" and everyone on the boardroom clapped in agreement lol
@@Deathmare235 not the same thing, regular duels and turbo duels havs different rules
It's kind of funny that Kalin admonished Yusei for using the same moves as always, and if Yusei hadn't summoned speed warrior on his first turn like always, he could've won.
This also leads back to what Jack said about Yusei being predictable and using a lot of the same combos over and over.
He adapts in his duels instead of building a consistent deck.
Yusei is like a person using a 60 card deck.
@@aceclover758😂 listen as a 60 card player....sometimes you just need alot of avenues and ways of getting around in battle...and you reeeeaaally want to make sure you get all of the contingency plans in there too.
XD and so what if they are all themed
@@aceclover758I mean he doesn't have/hasn't had access to many good cards before, so making the best of what you have makes sense.
I know that what I'm about to say is very unlikely, but I like to imagine that sometimes the writers who write these duels, think about alternative ways that the losing character could have won and vice versa. And I like to imagine that this was one such case where they figured they could write you say a way to win, had he not done what he is habitually done in the past.
I'm guessing Yusei started with Speed Warrior because he always liked to revive it via Junk Synchron when he eventually loses it so he can make Junk Warrior. He uses this combo so many times
I love these kinds of videos, i think a Yugi vs Athem one would be fun to see.
The duel of legends. I certainly was so into it. 😅
Jaden vs zane graduation duel
Specter vs Lightning or Soulburner vs Blood Shepard would be another interesting one.
Or Yugi vs Kaiba Battle City.
@@randomprofile5853 revolver vs soulburner aswell
I feel like everyone (in the show) kinda gets that Yusei did take the L in that duel, but as to why he doesn't die to the shadow game here, I have some headcanon about this. The duel being declared void is a weird signer formality, but it is a loss, just that it's not a loss for the purposes of the shadow duel. The Signers & Dark Signers have "a thing", and the Earthbound Immortals are considered another type of God Card which we know from Ra alone how temperamental they can be.
At the end of the day, Shadow Duels are a type of duelling ritual, and rituals have strict rules & procedures. It makes sense in that regard that Yusei can lose the duel here, but because of this technicality in HOW he lost the duel (even if he'd have lost by valdi means 2 seconds later) it's not a valid or proper loss as far as the shadows/ EI's are concerned.
It's not entirely unlike how Joey autolost for passing out despite being in the middle of declaring the winning attack.
You even mentioned about how in riding duels the duellists can take deliberate evasive manoeuvres to avoid attacks from enemy monster to buy themselves time to think and respond; 5ds doesn't have action cards or the like how Arc-V does, and normal duels aren't supposed to cause real damage, so there'd be no function to being allowed to do this otherwise, it really is just to snag a few extra seconds. Which is relevant because it establishes that moving out of the way of an attack means the attack hasn't completed yet including as far as the rules are concerned; Driving skill literally has an impact on the game's mechanics and can extend individual parts of the damage steps without directly changing what happens in them.
Which means EI Apu pushing Yusei away was effectively delaying it's own attack landing even from a rules standpoint, and when that resulted in Yusei being incapable of continuing the duel, he's lost sure but it's by default. He lost because he was rendered unable to continue. lost
Kalin won the duel, but EI Apu technically didn't connect it's killing blow because the force of it's attack pushed Yusei and his runner out of the way and rendered them unable to continue the fight.
Now would I be arguing this is how it should work if the loss had counted and Yusei actually died here? No probably not. This is mostly just my attempt to rationalise the version of events we did get from an in-lore standpoint.
Of course the simplest answer, that they couldn't just kill off a main character and THE MAIN main character at that, so they had to write around it, but wanted to show that Kalin & presumably the true Dark Signers as a whole are a formidable threat. So narratively, Kalin had to get the win or at least as close to a concrete one as they could provide, but being a Dark Signer there's no way he wouldn't be running a Shadow Game going off've what's already established about the Dark Signers by this point; Kalin needs to win the duel for threat establishment to pair with the stakes that people are disappearing as they're sacrificed to the EI's, but because *it will be a shadow duel* Yusei cannot afford to lose here, and this is what we got.
It's funny though how Yusei could've made Kalin look pretty weak by leading with Rockstone Warrior. Kinda weird choice when considering we know how good he's supposed to be that he'd lead with a temporary 1800 attacker instead of the full time one, but who knows maybe he thought that'd be "overextending" or "pushing too hard to early, especially with that face-down; I can possibly recover Speed Warrior if I lose them with things like Junk Syncron at least" or something,
As to why yusei went with the temp version probably is the talk-no-jutsu problem. He was too hesitant to go full out because all he remembered about Kalin was being friends with him and thought, he'd be able to convince him to turn to the good side again (which arguably only happened with Jack and Carly and they where the only ones with whom that worked well with). Yusei simply lacked the intent to get "serious", which sadly is a continues problem throughout the entire show.
The force of Earthbound Immortal Ccapac Apu's attack isn't what destroyed Yusei's runner, it was Yusei's front half giving out
@@TheGuyCalledNotorious True, I'd gotten caught up in the shadow duel effects I forgot about the duel runner being damaged & failing being a part of this.
Let's assume he thought Kalin was using his old Deck, as he think he is calling a bluff with the amulet. He would know what his decks strenght is and probably tried to play around that. I don't know what exactly Kalins old strategy was, therefore I can't be sure, but if we assume he had a lot of spot removal or stealing opposing creatures it might have been a decsnt thought? Of course that's just a lot of if and so on. He definitely should have played Rockstone Warrior.
@@overfailed3639 His enforcer deck was a archfiend/level 4 beatdown deck that featured Archfiend General and Vorse Raider. Yusei knew immediately that Kalin was playing a new deck due to the fact that Kalin summoned an Infernity monster (that he never owned), and the fact that because he was sent to prison, his enforcer deck was confiscated (which Yusei would've known). The thing that caught Yusei off guard was that Kalin was frequently discarding, as Yusei quotes: "The only thing Kalin hates more than a losing hand is an empty hand".
Yusei was most likely saving Rockstone warrior for more defensive plays once his Speed Warrior got rolled.
I don't think Kalin wanted to take Yusei's soul.
There was a scene where Roman Goodwin yelled at Kalin for not finishing Yusei off and Kalin said something along the lines of completely crushing Yusei's spirit, a more unpleasant outcome for Yusei.
He definitely wanted to kill him.
@@mavalagma29 Isnt stealing his soul already killing him?
@@fabienchamberland4791 yes
It is true that Kalin wanted to finish Yusei off but consider which fate is worse: terminating your opponent instantly or forcing them to live with the perpetuated haunting memory of their stinging defeat?
@@hassandahab3050 Especially because it works. For a while, Yusei is completely traumatized by facing a corrupted friend and nearly dying to the Earthbound Immortal, to the point where he's afraid of Dueling for a good long while.
There's a difference between what happened with Yusei vs. Kalin and what Team Catastrophe were doing. The difference is, in Yusei vs. Kalin, it's not only not a duel in a tournament with regulations, it's a ritual, with the loser having their soul sacrificed to the Earthbound Immortals. The duel never finished properly, so the ritual wasn't completed. Yusei effectively "lost," yes, but not in the terms the ritual needed in order to be completed. It saw the start, the middle, but it did not see the end, thus cancelling the shadow duel.
Sorry for the late response, but wouldn't that case also cause a precedent where, everyone fighting against Dark Signers could just crash on purpose in a way that doesn't hurt them much but damages it just enough to make the result void? I mean, having a few scratches and bruises is way better than having your soul eaten
@@roncerjani9063Yusei (or any other character for that matter) never figured this out. They thought Yusei survived because the duel became a void, not that the “ritual” was incomplete.
@@roncerjani9063I mean, technically yes, but there are two factors that prevent this; the first is that quite a few of the duels with the Dark Signers are not Turbo Duels, so they don't have that option. And the second is that strategy requires crashing a moving racing vehicle going 100 mph. Yusei's lucky he only got shrapnel in his gut from that.
Plus every other fight against the Dark signers were an time trial@@FruityGroovy
I love hearing you talk about Yugioh. It is very fun and personally, I think Yusei lost because not only did he have a shrapnel in his stomach and nearly died but the fact that he lost to an old friend who still blames him for what happened and Yusei is now scared of that, it gave him just a bit more character in my eyes.
To be fair, everyone in the anime counts it as a loss, so it should be a loss. More than likely that in order for the Dark Signers to steal your soul, the final attack has to physically land. Kalin's EI didn't hit Yusei before his duel runner broke down, so while Yusei lost, he couldn't get his soul stolen. I could be wrong, but that's what I've assumed for years at this point.
I don't think literally anyone says it's a loss.
I'm pretty sure the phrasing is always some variation of "should have lost" or "would have lost".
The soul taking in the anime is not effective if the game ends with a disqualification. It will count as a loss but you won't loss your soul.
@@urahara64360like with that seal.
So sad to see that Dark Synchros are not a thing IRL, it would be kinda cool to have another Extra Deck Monster Type
We now get something similar with Bearcti
They could still make the Dark Tuners and just make the minus math for the summon a condition for the Synchro Summon.
Hey, at least they're in tag force
The ursarctic archetype uses that gimmick
Hey, OP. The community fought against Pendulum monsters cause they have two different boxes to read, you want them to have to _subtract_?
What makes the crash argument tricky, in my opinion, is that we have 2 different set of rules. Team Catastrophe was dueling under the WRGP, with official declared rules as laid out by tournament organizers. Normally duel runners aren't equipped to take the kind of punishment that shadow-turbo duels inflict since they aren't supposed to be used in that way. In DM we see Joey both win and lose in Battle City finals because the official declared the duelist unable to continue the duel. This duel operated under the rules of The King of the Netherworld (I guess?) which clearly state that the loser gives up their soul. I guess the king declared it a draw since no one's soul is addressed, but apparently Kalin could have taken his soul because Roman scolds him for not doing it? (Unless in the Japanese he's talking about killing Yusei outright, I legitimately don't know). It may be just plot armor, but the duel is officially a draw as declared by the rules laid out by the "tournament organizer".
I find it funny just how many people seem to care about it
Everyone in universe treats that duel as a loss for Yusei
@@pn2294 some of us just happen to care about the plot and want it to make sense.
And yes, maybe we go a little overboard sometimes. 😉
Also, pre-WRGP, duel runners were on auto-pilot during duels. Since normal (non-shadow) duels just use advanced holograms and not real monsters, the only way the riders would crash is if:
a) the duelist crashed on purpose
b) the auto-pilot fails, or
c) the runner was sabotaged before or during the duel.
In a legitimate duel, these are all unlikely, so it's possible they simply hadn't considered it.
Also, since WRGP rules forbid use of the auto-pilot, it makes sense they would update the rules to accommodate for human error.
It should be noted that even in WRGP, crashing does NOT immediately count as a loss. Jack's runner DID crash at one point, and all that happened was that each time the opponent lapped him, they gained 1 free speed counter, and if they maxed out, his team would start to lose counters. And if those ran out, THEN you lose.
Team 5D's was allowed to continue because Jack was able to get up and push his damaged runner into the pit before that happened.
I consider it a DQ. Jack and Crow got knocked off their runners against Godwin and were disqualified, but didn't die. The same thing probably happened to Yusei, but since it was 1v1 and Kiryu had nobody else in the duel to face him, it ended prematurely.
The way I see it the match would be a dq since yusei did crash and was unable to continue. The reason he didn't lose his soul is because technically his life points weren't reduced to zero before the crash as it would be the only logical reason.
To be fair to Yusei, he was playing his way, he likes to open with Speed Warrior, feel out his Opponent and besides, he was playing on the assumption that Kallin was still playing his same game of "the only Hand worse than a bad one was an empty one"! And, as you rightly point out, Hand Advantage has always been a thing in Yu-Gi-Oh!, both Animé/Manga and real life, so you can't really blame him for not expecting Kallin's, as you said, "1% Play"! We all get surprised now and again! Last Tournament I entered I didn't expect to be matched up against Buster Blader, but I was! And after Neos at that, I might add!
A duel I was always curious about was Aster vs Adrian from GX. The thing I remember most about that duel was how Aster was rushing to make sure Adrian couldn’t complete Exodia and I would be interested in seeing your analysis of it. 🤔
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bro same that duel was crazy
Good call sir
I would definitely be down to watch a video like that!
Great video as always! Keep it up!
As a hardcore 5DS fan I just wanted to point out a few things:
Hyper Synchrons Anime effect doesnt banish the synchro monster after the next standby phase. It doesn’t banish it at all. Just gives a 800 atk boost and grants battle destruction immunity (the 800 boost is same as in the tcg/ocg but no battle destruction immunity, thats just an anime thing).
Second thing is in 5DS most of the turbo duels, the d-wheels go into stand-by Auto Pilot mode during duels, only later on with the release of speed world 2 auto pilot wasn’t available. One of the reason, Yusei ultimately crashed was because the Dark Signers could make the damage taken in duels real which lead to Yusei getting off track due to the shock from the attacks etc.
In tournaments crashing in a turbo duel means that you automatically get disqualified and losing the duel. It was a legit win condition but it got a lot more relevant later on in the series with speed world 2 since auto pilot wasnt applied anymore. So yeah u also needed to have a solid motor cycle and a deck lol.
Have a good one!
Kiryu: the character who absolutely refused to stay dead.
So hard to kill that he inadvertently sentenced tons of other people to death by not dying
Kiryu: that one doomer guy
"A Shinigami can't die!"~ Kiryu Kyosuke
Honestly I always liked yusei for how dedicated he was to his patterns. He almost always summons speed warrior turn one. It’s a flaw that, as this video has shown, bites him in the ass at times but one I find helps to add to the idea hes “loyal to his cards”. It’s a huge point in his character he learned after jack stole his stardust dragon. And to answer the question: it depends who crashed it. If the driver crashes on his/her own then they should lose. If the opponent caused it they should be DQ’d or the loss should be null.
I’ve been waiting for this. This is one of my favorite duels as I grew up on Yugioh 5Ds.
Good idea for sure, as I patiently wait for a video regarding Alexis VS Jaden in Episode 94 of GX. All she had to do was play a facedown and Flare Neos loses strength, and because Neo Space isn't out, would return to the Extra Deck. Jaden would've been left wide open!
Yusei: * tells Leo he needs to be adaptable when dueling*
Also Yusei's 1st 3 plays in 99% of duels: 1) summon Speed Warrior or other lv 2 monster. 2) set Scrap Iron Scarecrow. 3) summon junk synchron next turn, revive lv 2 if necessary, and then synchro summon junk warrior.
Yusei reading this comment probably:
"Adaptable doesn't mean unpredictable."
Was waiting for you to get to a yusei duel in this series. He is my favorite yugioh character ever and his duels tend to be some of my favorites. Both story wise, and the card game aspect wise.
Agreed!!
He is my favorite too, and I think 5ds was awesome in general.
The victory in this duel is Kalin, no question. Mostly because of that Immortal’s anime ability that stopped Scrap-Iron Scarecrow from blocking that attack, there way no way Yusei would make a comeback from that one attack.
Deus Ex Machina card
@@moselzag5451 True normally but Yusei has no cards left.
@@EnclosedPoolArea if he needed to win for the plot, he’d draw anime card of sanctity which would screw over Kalin by giving him 6 cards and also give him the perfect 6 to destroy the board. Because plot armour. Thankfully, he lost instead
I kinda disagree because of how hard kalin tryed to make yusei crash
I was always kinda annoyed how the plot stopped Yusei from losing Duels x3 the one with Kalin was fine because it established the Dark Signers as a threat without losing the main character, but I draw the line at Jean from Team Unicorn throwing a well laid out plan because he wanted to "beat Yusei with his own strength."
I also think he should have lost to Vizor the first time they fought and even think Jack should have won the final Duel against Yusei. Not only would it have concluded a major character arc where Jack truly becomes the strongest, as Yusei wasn't interested in being King, but it would have been the first Ceremonial Duel where the main character actually loses.
Addendum: just would have made more sense for Jack to defeat Yusei if only to make his title as World King make more sense, as Jack would never accept the title if only because Yusei didn't want it, as even if his loss to Yusei in Season 1 early on wasn't seen by the city, Jack still considered it a loss and wanted to win against Yusei fair and square.
The thing that really annoyed me with Jean throwing the duel, they could have just given Yusei a different hand effect, or a graveyard effect, to deal the finishing blow without Jean throwing.Then again, it wasn't single elimination, so they could have lost the tournament to learn about how to synergize their decks and up the stakes of the next duel
I like that Vizor threw, but I think he should have turned the situation around first.
What are you talking? EVERYONE treated it as Yusei losing to Kiryu
Okay there's something wrong with everything you just said
@@andrewwestfall65 Just having Jean be afraid of a hand trap or GY effect would make sense since in that duel Yusei was using a lot of them. Yes you can check opponent's cards legally but characters in the anime don't do that very often.
Honestly the whole Team Unicorn thing is also a negative side effect of pumping up Andore and making him easily defeat 2/3rds of Team 5D's complete with the 5D's team members making misplays and other contrivances. Going off the "Jean could have checked the GY" that still applies to Jack's misplays since he'd have been able to read Andore's cards. But we don't talk about how ridiculous the circumstances leading UP to Jean were for... Some reason.
I'm okay with Andore beating Jack because his deck was tailor made to, but I feel like Aki shouldn't have lost to him, given that it was her last turbo duel onscreen. And the whole "Yusei takes on all three of them at once" thing was a pretty cool concept, but Jean could've beaten him, so he didn't really beat all three of them legit anyway.
I love this series you make about if A could have won against B. Please keep it up
Actually just watched this duel and was wondering if it would ever get covered here. What timing!
Also, I hate to be that guy, but in the hypothetical section, Kallen could have chosen to not discard his dark tuner, when they attacked, as he would probably figure that's a card he does need to get on the field at some point. From there it's a matter of what was used to attack what and so on, so tracking gets complicated. That is just more pathways I could see it going.
I was thinking the same. Kalin had enough lp to take that damage. He didn't need to block there.
@@LamunesADVhe still needed to get the Dark Tuner on the field somehow.
Every time I see one of these videos I eternally celebrate just a bit. They’re such a high quality and really entertaining watch. Also this is definitely a loss for yusei because if he didn’t crash he would’ve definitively lost.
Always had been one of my favorite duels I remember watching a few times on Saturday mornings I'm so very happy and satisfied you made this video. The end of the duel always made me sad..
The Infernity Deck was a surprising set of cards that work while having an empty hand. The story between Yusei and Kalin revealed how bad life was in the Satellite.
Again, I would suggest an analysis of the duel between Jaden Yuki and Yubel from Yu-Gi-Oh GX Season 3 Finale.
even though it was a grand prix dual part of me wants to see is "was team Ragnarök about to beat Team 5d's"
@@boltthunder2061 That would be great.
Personally , I see this as a loss because in a Speed Duel, both are on D-Wheels or some vehicle in some shape or form and if that vehicle is disabled , technically the duellist can’t carry on .
Of course this was thrown away in Yugo/Rin in Arc-V when Yugo’s D-Wheel broke and the duel was continued with both on their feet
Agree this is a loss even though yusi passed out if we look at the duel with Maric vs Joey then when Joey passed out he lost hence yusi passed out so it's a loss
The characters in-universe treat the duel as a loss in spite of the d-wheel for obvious reasons
Tbf to Arc-V, the Synchro Dimension's Turbo Duel rules and the 5Ds Turbo Duel rules could be slightly different.
@@jaernihiltheus7817 not could; are
to be fair, that wasn't really a turbo duel,the opponent didn't even had a bike
That’s the irony of the crash argument is in the next season a team literally wins their matches based on making enemy team crash . Personally I’d either set up a rematch if it was a accident or sabotage. But if they just fell off for no reason then no run back and I’m glad they explored this topic in next season with that other team
Well the thing is that in that season they said the broken D-Wheel rule was something from the WRGP, we don't know if that applies to all Riding/Turbo Duels
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu fair enough and still be cool if this was real
And then Team Catastrophe crashes by their own bullshit tactics and unable to "pass the baton" as a result, so they got served sweet karma courtesy of Jack Atlas 😎
@@cameraredeye3115
Team Catastrophe got bad karma in the end. Even I couldn’t help but smile.
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu in the Manga which while after GX comes out after the Anime series, it is an established rule that you you STOP your Duel runner in a turbo duel you lose. Crashing is stopping if you lose all your momentum. Considering how the YuGiOh franchise started though, I do consider the series to be like most Anime and the Manga being what determines Canon. Yes the Manga's tell a Vastly Different story GX onwards, but they have a set established rules for duels
I have to laugh at Synchro Destructor's effect, because it literally just written as it is so that Damage Translation can make two tokens to be tributed to summon the Earthbound Immortal after. It is such a clear moment of making cards with effects for the sake of the end result the writers wanted, which is nothing new but is one of the most clear examples of it.
They could've just as well make it so that the user would get 2 tokens for each 1000 damage negated. The damage would have been 2500, so 2 tokens. It blends in like a charm.
But no, we need to have the same damage inflicted in the same turn but in 2 rates for some bullshit reason.
These vids are great, keep up the phenomenal work. I personally would love to see Quatro vs Shark / Nasch. Could Quatro have pulled through and beat the Barian Emperor himself, or was he doomed to fail?
That's a hard one, because Nasch came prepped for even C88, though there is one scenario in which Quatro could have flipped the script.
Turn 3 (Quatro, 1900 LP): Quatro uses that same spell as in the anime (don't remember the name) to get back No. 15 which had been eaten by No. 101 on the previous turn. He then plays RUM Argent Chaos Force to summon No. C15 (2500 ATK). Now, instead of using its effect right away, Quatro should have attacked normally, dealing 400 damage to Nasch (4000 -> 3600) and forcing No. 101 to ditch its last material to survive as per its anime effect. And THEN Quatro could safely use C15's effect to blow up 101 and deal the latter's 2100 ATK to Nasch as damage (3600 -> 1500) which had the potential to change the outcome. Especially since C88 does a whopping 4000 burn per proc in the anime...
@@cameraredeye3115I thinks this hypothetical is based on hindsight because I’m sure most people would attempt to destroy Number 101 with an effect first then attempt to attack directly.
This was super interesting, hoping to see other 5Ds duel analyzed in future!
A line most of us dub fans practically have etched into our minds is “Once your friend yes but now, YOUR ENEMY!” Because they play that exact clip plays in damn near 12 episodes
YES. IKR.
Although it was pretty cool the first few times so I didn't mind it.
this is one of my favorite duels in all of 5ds tbh
this and the duel against the Warden are 100% in my top 5 5ds duels
I like how this entire duel was Yusei unintentionally making Kalins plays for him.
love this series and how you you have made them to where you really dont know the answer until you watch it by the way youve made others. Id love a supreme king duel lol Evil Heros are a personal favorite
In all honesty, I think that Yusei did lose this duel, since he had no way to stop the direct attack of the earthbound immortal. It is only because of the crashing of his duel runner, that Yusei survived the duel at all. Also, even if Yusei had a play that could have changed the entire outcome of the duel, the fact that Yusei didn't make that move still happened and it cost Yusei the duel. Plus, the writers could have just made it so that Yusei still would have lost.
I love these videos so much. I can’t wait for the next one!
A fascinating analysis and hypothetical! However, I offer this hypothetical in response: Kalin could have secured victory and possibly Yusei's demise had he just made a different opening play himself! Just play *his* clearly stronger monster! Use Infernity Archfiend instead of Infernity Beast! Seriously, there was no benefit to him in playing Beast over the Archfiends.
Kalin starts by setting Depth Amulet as normal, and summons Infernity Archfiend, leaving Yusei needing to get over an 1800 ATK monster instead of a 1600 ATK monster. Which...his opening hand can't do. At best, he can play either Speed Warrior or Rockstone Warrior and ram it into Archfiend to remove them both, but Kalin would simply negate it with Depth Amulet, discarding Infernity Beast. Yusei sets Scrap-Iron Scarecrow and Shard of Hope and ends his turn with one warrior on the field. Let's assume Yusei doesn't have the benefit of foresight to know he'll draw into Junk Synchron next turn, so he makes the more stable play of Rockstone Warrior, planning to tune it with Hyper Synchron next turn and get out Stardust Dragon.
Kalin's turn. He draws Damage Translation, and reveals he has a second Infernity Archfiend, which he summons to the field. But to Yusei's surprise, he doesn't attack. Why? Because Kalin *needs* two monsters on the field to summon his tuner. He can afford to let Yusei attack him thanks to his trap, but he can't afford to give up his archfiends. He sets Damage Translation and ends his turn. Yusei draws Junk Synchron, then summons Hyper Synchron to synchro summon Stardust Dragon, complete with Hyper's boost to 3300 ATK. He activates Shard of Hope, then attacks to force Kalin to discard, which Kalin gladly does by getting rid of Infernity Guardian.
Kalin's turn again, and he draws Infernity Dwarf. He sacrifices his Archfiends to summon his tuner, which special summons Dwarf so he can dark synchro One Hundred-Eyed Dragon as normal. However, his dragon isn't strong enough to destroy Yusei's...yet. He ends his turn. Yusei draws Synchro Destructor, and attacks with Stardust Dragon. The attack succeeds since Kalin has no cards to fuel Depth Amulet, but Kalin reveals his dragon's ability as Stardust fails to destroy it. However, it still deals 300 damage to Kalin, reducing him to 3700 LP. This triggers Shard of Hope, causing Yusei to draw Level Warrior. As it isn't a trap, Level Warrior is discarded. Yusei sets Synchro Destructor, and ends his turn, causing Depth Amulet to leave the field.
Back to Kalin, who draws Speed Spell - Power Baton. And this is where things go south for Yusei. Kalin activates the spell, sending Infernity Guardian to the graveyard to boost his dragon to 5300 ATK and attacks. Yusei tries to save Stardust with his Scarecrow, but One Hundred-Eyed Dragon's effect cancels that. And since it's Stardust being attacked instead of Rockstone Warrior, Yusei takes the full 2000 battle damage plus the 800 effect damage, bringing him down to 1200 LP. That ends his turn, but there's nothing Yusei can do from here. His next draw is Miracle Locus, while the only other cards available to him are Speed Warrior, Junk Synchron, and Shard of Hope. He can play a monster in defense mode, but Kalin will simply pierce it next turn and win the duel. And here's the kicker - Yusei only gets hit near the end of this version of the duel, and only once before the deciding blow (twice if the effect damage is treated as a second hit). Without the early damage to his Duel Runner, it likely wouldn't break down in time to disqualify him and that would end up costing him his life.
Now, if he *had* played Speed Warrior instead of Rockstone as his first move, the duel actually would play out like it does in canon, except with Yusei having 200 less LP due to Speed Warrior being destroyed by an Archfiend instead of Infernity Beast. So funnily enough, in this version of the duel playing Speed Warrior first was the right call. But in the end, he'd still lose. All Kalin would have had to do different to ensure his victory...is play his Archfiends instead of his Beast.
I've been waiting for this for a while! Let's rev it up!
While I believe that a D-wheel crash should considered a loss as driving should be considered an extension to life points as a speed duel is also based on the drivers skill but this time should cause the crash was less of Yusei lacking skill and more of an unforeseen situation caused by Kalen's earthbound immortal which if going by a regular turbo duel situation shouldn't be able to actually deal any physical damage to opponent.
So basically Kalen does an illegal move by physically attacking the opponent and should have been disqualified at that point, which is before Yusei's D-Wheel got disabled?
@@ZenoDLC The earthbound immortals cause real damage to you when they attack you. You're actual being attacked by a actual monster which is sort of cheating.
Always good to watch these thanks for the vid man
I do have to just ask for the potential plays I have two questions to ask.
1. Did he have to summon the dwarf or could he have kept it in hand? I forgot if amulet had run out at that point
2. Would Stardust be banished? I know The real world hyper synchron does have that effect but Ive never seen it be resolved in any of the duels Yuseis used it in. Both against Jack Atlas and here against Kalin
To answer point 2:
The Anime Effect of Hyper Synchron does provide the same ATK Boost and Destruction Immunity as its real-life counterpart, but the Banishment Effect is different. The Synchro Monster Summoned using it not being Banished until the Player's 2nd Standby Phase after it's Summoning.
In the instances of this in the Anime, said 2nd Standby Phase never happened.
11:23 yusei gives him the finger
Huh... I learned something new for a change. I never realized that Yusei's D-Wheel actually broke down. I always thought he was just a sore loser and crashed it on purpose. But watching this, I do see that we got to see how Yusei's D-Wheel did explode before the crash...
Well, that was quite fun. And I am late to the party as always. xD
Anyway, I really like watching all of these duel analysis parts of you because I discover everytime something new and keep my joy for Yugioh alive. Keep up the awesome work! :D
P.S. This duel while the Dark Signer Arc is for me one of the best remembered just because I loved to see the dynamic between Yusei and Kalin. Especially because he came back later again. I love something like that.
Greetings from Germany o/
Excellent video as always, what about: Chazz could actually defeated Jaden in their second duel? (Armed dragons debut)
Y.E.S.
I have a weird headcanon that the crashing rule, etc aren't exactly part of duelling rules. But are instead part of the Speed World card.
So if we take both this duel and the one with Team Catastrophe in mind, Yusei *did* lose according to the Field Spell rules, but got a voided result for the Dark Signer rules due to him not hitting 0 LP, hence him not being killed off from losing.
100% should be a loss, but the show can't do that to the main character, since he'd lose his soul. You'd either have to have it happen to one of the side characters and have Yusei come back and beat them, maybe bringing their soul back, I don't remember if it worked that way in 5D's. Similarly, you could have Yusei lose, have somebody else beat Kalin, and bring Yusei's soul back, having him around for the final duel.
It wouldn't even be the first time they'd had the protagonist lose a duel and go sort of catatonic. Yugi sort of lost himself after the loss to Kaiba, because of his conflicted feelings about the pharoh's spirit and the lengths to which it was willing to go to win, and ultimately had to be brought out of it by...Téa of all people, dueling against Mai.
This was a great video you're very good at finding details and little tricks that I didnt even know about. Next video for 5ds I want to see crow vs greiger that duel is one of the closest
Kiryu’s origin was easily the darkest story in Yu-gi-oh history,mother of god.
It definitely was
Is an interesting backstory and it shows more of how terrible it was in the Satellite.
What about Bakura? He saw his entire village get massacred
@@wolverineisdaman They’re both interchangeable,What makes Kiryu’s sadder is he got betrayed and he committed suicide and lived with his sin,Bakura lived and dedicated his life for revenge.
@@adamquenano8563 fair point.
When you said that yusei could summon Rockstone Warrior instead of Speed Warrior and basically Kalin can't make a comeback:
Note that Kalin could potentially not set his Damage Translation on his second turn and than when yusei attack in his second turn with Rockstone Warrior and Speed Warrior - Kalin would have 2 cards to discard: Damage Translation and Infernity Guardian, and on his next turn when he draw Infernity Dwarf he still has 2 monsters and he still could tribute them to summon Dark Tuner Nightmare Hand and bring One Hundred-Eyed Dragon.
Basically not all his lost for Kalin.
I want to quickly point out that in both the real game and in the Anime, Depth Amulet is optional. Kalin does not have to discard his Dark Tuner, but he would still be left one monster short to summon it.
Edit: Upon rewatching, another inquiry that could give Kalin a chance is choosing not only to refuse summoning his first Infernity Archfiend, but also discarding one for the effect of Depth Amulet, instead of the guardian. This gives him an extra discard for Depth Amulet to at least keep beast in the duel and later set up an invincible Infernity Guardian, letting him, paradoxically, see more draws later in the duel, like perhaps an Infernity Launcher? Now that would make for an interesting turn, watching Kalin pull the patented "Infernity Deck vomiting the entire Extra Deck onto the board" trick on Yusei and winning like that.
Honestly, Kalin not using his EI to beat Yusei would have been cool. Ending the duel with his own deck rather than relying on some god card.
Bruh i was legit wondering when we would see another of these plz keep em up
Personally, I still see this as a loss for Yusei.
Also, if you're looking for more Duels to look at, how about where a player tried to go for a Deck Out in, like Yuma vs Vector at the Sarago Field.
Oh, I just thought of another Duel that could be kind of interesting. Dextra(Droite) vs Vetrix(Tron). Mainly because one, we see their entire hands, except the card Vextrix draws on his last turn, so we can analyze what were the best moves they could make, and two, because Dextra made two major miss plays during her last turn: The first one being she paid 2000 LP to keep Butterfly Swarm in play, but she really didn't need the card and two she summoned Photon Alexandra in Defense mode instead of Attack mode. If she had done both of these things, she'd have 4000 LP and a monster with more attack than Number 8, of course, Number 8's effect could reduce Alexandra's attack to 0 and make its own attak equal to Alexandra's attack so it would still be destroyed and Dextra would drop to 1600 LP, but she'd still be in the Duel and unless Vetrix either played a Monster or drew a card to negate effect damage then the effect of the Field Spell Jungle Field would wipe Vetrix out and even if he did avoid it, Dextra would have bought herself another turn to maybe make a comeback.
Most Yuma/Astral duels in ZEXAL would be pointless to even analyze since they can just go into ZEXAL and Shining Draw a win (What Atem used to subconciously do but shamelessly).
Yuma's duel against Vector literally ended up Yuma printing out a card to replace his very last card, so I doubt it'd even matter. As for Dextra yea, that was a very bad and obvious misplay, so I doubt it'd make a good video.
ZEXAL is too different from TCG YGO in that ALL Numbers not only have always on Number Ball, but all Numbers in ZEXAL seem to have non once per turn quick effects. Also everyone plays XYZ Treasure there which is like what if Pot of Greed got powercrept.
If anything, a good video might be Shark vs Quattro, although Shark can also print out cards with Chaos Draw.
The best Yu-Gi-Oh series!! And on a 5D duel!!!
I would love to see Yuya vs Jack Atlas round 2
18:30 in the anime, when you synchro summon a dragon with Hyper Synchron said dragon has to be banished during the player's second Standby Phase (I think it means after 2 of your (4 turns in total) turns) after the turn it was summon. HS' effect was used like this in the Jack vs Yusei duel at the Fortune Cup.
If Yusei didn’t crash during this duel then Kalin would’ve won and Yusei would’ve been killed off earlier in the Dark Signers Arc but what would’ve happened then? What would the Signers have done to defeat the Dark Signers? Anyways there are many questions of what would happen if Kalin won
Leo and Luna would have still beaten Devack, Jack would still beat Carly, Crow would still beat Greiger and Akiza would still beat Misty. However instead of misty saying "Lol 2 late loser." There was never a chance in the first place to seal the towers since Kalin wasn't yet beaten. Then Jack (and maybe crow) wouldve had to face Goodwin alone and even if jack pulled out Majestic Red Dragon to defeat Wiracoqa Rasca, Kalin would still be there as would the king of the netherworld so everyone dies, again unless Red Dragon can borrow the crimson dragon's power to drive back the king. Even then Jack wouldve had to beat Kalin himself.
TL:DR Dark Signers win unless Jack becomes yusei for 3 straight duels.
@@lilsunny7399 Okay okay
@@lilsunny7399 you are not counting the moral of the group after Yusei's death, that could lead them into making misplays during the duels
@@lilsunny7399 Well, they would have to pick someone to beat Kalin after Yusei lost, like the game YGO! 5DS Reverse of Arcadia does with the player.
@@igorlopes8463 Tetsu Ushio/Trudge would probably have to do it, considering he's the only duelist there that doesn't do any dueling during the Signers vs Dark Signers climax. One could argue that it'd be a bit cheap that a non-Signer beat the Dark Signer that beat Yusei, but Crow wasn't a Signer when he beat Bommer/Greiger - so there's precedent that it can be done. Albeit it'd still feel cheap if Ushio beat Kalin by himself.
Nice! More duel analysis video. ❤
Loss is a loss. If Calin had crashed, we would give the w to Yusei. It's only fair.
It’s a loss because Kiryu had checked Yusei by that point. It has nothing to do with the D-Wheel.
Thanks for the turbo duel exaination. It was really much needed
Wait a minute, I've got a much better precedent:
If Joey had a guaranteed win before he *DIED* and it was counted against him as a loss, then Yusei being in a position where he was guaranteed to lose but crashed his scooter before the animation could play out should one hundred thousand percent count as a loss. That they were in a Turbo Duel changes nothing, because as soon as you get on that bike you are accepting the inherit risk of playing a card game on a moving vehicle, otherwise there is simply no reason to duel in that manner at all.
dude if they count ti then yusie wodo lsot has soul and dakr signers wood win yuo know damn will ruel say the mc cant not lt the main vall win if there no way to come back for rematch
@@ssjgotenks2009Say what?
I would imagine in usual official game rules, that if your piece of technology malfunctions, the ruling is that the one whose device failed or if you caused the device to fail or disconnect, that is a DQ loss. In this scenario, I think you should have been ruled a loss, but everyone can still keep their souls.
I almost thought that this was going to be Yusei’s second loss in the series
Well I actually count it as a loss as Yusei had no way of countering it
Against who was his first and only lose?
@@Hoffanheim In an earlier flashback, it was shown that Yusei lost a duel against Jack once back when they both lived in the Satellite
@@cipherreese8877 damn that far back?
@@Hoffanheim It wasn’t even shown.
18:56 “if he crashes his bike in the middle of a turbo duel”
1) he didn’t crash there was no collision it just stopped working (what?). It wasn’t like jalón hit him. Also, why not just spin out to avoid a loss then?
2) the attack already was declared and it was in the middle of its attack animation. There is no way this was legal
I think whether it should count as a loss or a void depends on how the D-Wheeler crashes. If it crashes because of bad driving skill by the user, it should count as a loss, however if the D-Wheeler crashes due to malfunction caused during the duel or the crash ie caused by the opponent, then it should be void.
This popped up in my “recommended” one day and I’m curious and watched this. You had a lot of good points to make out and I appreciate the thinking behind all your points.
The void/loss thing is a weird thing. But (personally) I think it is ultimately a voided duel with a loss outcome if it was resolved normally since Yusei had nothing at the tine to counter or save himself from Kiryu’s Immortal. But at least it is good to see that the general overall consensus is that he did lose if it wasn’t for the fact his runner broke. Even in the anime it is acknowledged by everyone else he should have lost.
My issue with calling this is less about the crash, and more that the game-winning attack was declared and Yusei couldn't do anything about it. If we're playing and you attack for game and I don't respond, I don't get to say you forfeit when you grab your cards and walk away
Except that you can scoop when your opponent declares for game. It’s why KONAMI bans match winner cards like Victory Dragon, to prevent technicalities like that coming into play where people scoop before something like Victory Dragon’s effect goes off.
@@nuttybuddy7928 So did he lose because he scooped? If I forfeit I still lose, the Victory Dragon thing is because its effect goes off when your life points hit 0, so you scoop before it hits you. You still lose that game
@@andrewwestfall65 it's a technicality at best, but apparently the Earthbound Immortals need the Life Points to hit 0. I dunno if that means forfeits count or not, but this is the plot armor of technicalities that allows Yusei to stay alive to fight again against the Dark Signers, but everyone in universe treats it as a loss. Yusei for all intents and purposes, except for the part where he'd forfeit his life as a result. That's probably just a part of needing to make the bad guys look like a threat, as well as trying to make Yusei look less invincible.
Again, I admit that it's a bit of plot armor, but at the end of the day, everyone in universe (and a majority of people IRL for that matter) consider it a loss, a loss that in the end result was the only way to have a main character lose a Shadow Duel without being banished to the Netherworld or dying, whichever you prefer.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
On the "should a duel runner crash count as a loss?" debate, keep in mind a few things:
1. This was part of a larger battle between ancient spirits that wouldn't be satisfied with such an Anti-climatic finish, same with Misty's duel with Akiza.
2. This duel was more to establish the threat of the Dark Signers and their Earthbound Immortals, and they obviously aren't going to kill their main character.
3. Kalin hates Yusei with all his guts, and relishes him being pain, and really isn't going to be bothered by a no result since Yusei, as far as he knew, was going to die anyway.
Technically, unless depth amulet is mandatory, he could still keep the dark tuner in hand and done his combo, so the duel still could have been won by Kalin, but it just might be closer.
Can you do a could Yuma have beaten Kite in their 1st Duel AND discuss if a person should be disqualified from a legit tournament because they were shown live footage of a loved one dying?
We need the rematch!! And then their rematch in Crash Town!
An interesting side note, in the dub the debris isn't stuck in Yusei but if you go to the scene where he's dropped off at the lady who used to care for them, you can still see the blood running down his runner. I guess the dub team missed that.
His D-wheel is red, so while not sure if the blood was on the red part, it might have blended in with the vehicle.
Yusei using Speed Warrior just calls back to the first season, in that his deck is a "Junk" deck. Not just Junk themed, but junk in general.
ima just say it: Yusei lost this one. here, let's look at what happens if yusei's runner doesn't malfunction: Yusei takes 3k damage and loses the duel. now look at how it works WITH the runner breaking: DQ cus unable to continue the duel. so either way, KALIN WINS
yay more of these.... these are some of the best videos on youtube sooo damn interesting
I legit read that title as
"was yusei about to defeat krilin?"
I need to see that
I think it depends on what caused the crash. If your opponent tried to take you out, like with the hook monster or Kalin pushing him into the wall etc. then they should be DQ'd or the duel thrown out. If they're bad at driving and wreck their bike, then they lose. So an extensions of your own skill vs outside forces I guess.
Think of it this way. What if the duelists were riding and the track wasn't built properly, one section of the course randomly collapsed on a duelist. Would it be fair to say they lost?
Jack: Show them your Junk!
Yusei:What!?
Jack: Warrior!
Another suggestion for this series is could atem have beaten little Yugi at the end of the series
I absolutely love this series of videos. Give me more.
Earthbound effects in the anime + speed duels is a deadly combo.. Hell it's broken even in duel links too.
Sad to say but Yusei stands no chance in this duel.
Also Raid shadow legends are the real dark signers here lol.
I really hoped that your next video would be Kalin Vs Yusei! Thank you so much!
We see in the crash town arc that he has a new ace monster In infernity doom dragon and I like to think that one hundred eyes dragon evolved into infernitity doom dragon in the same way as power tool dragon evolves into life stream dragon
This is like a TH-cam tutorial, the only difference is that this one actually works and isn’t super confusing
Normally I’m bias towards Yusei because he’s fits that flawless character trope where he can do no wrong but objectively this duel with Kalin it should be considered a lost. Later in the season both Jack and Crow were down against Goodwin but still had 1 LP and but there weren’t able to ride even though it was turbo duel. And in a Turbo Duel you need to be able to both ride and duel and if you can’t ride then you can’t participate and if you can’t participate then you forfeit in a turbo duel
When Kalin called Yusei a traitor and said how could you in dub my heart sunk and got cold his voice actor is one of the best and it's so sad that he didn't know at the time
The only times Yusei lost
Along with the flashback of him losing to Jack
@@ibilesfighter3.16 we barely even saw that duel.
@@silverslayer6262 Yep and he still loss.
I'm not sure about your proposed hypothetical. I don't think Kalin would have discarded Dark Tuner in order to save either monster, as that's a key to his thousand eye dragon, and I think he'd start by discarding one of his archfiends instead of his guardian, since he can stall with the remaining turns on depth amulet and Infernity Guardian's effect after realizing he can't really go on the offensive. This hinges on whether or not speed spells can be set face down, however. But theoretically he can almost stall forever with Guardian's effect and just wait until he has his Earthbound Immortal.
If he’s not discarding his dark tuner, then guardian can’t use its effect. When does his dark tuner leave his hand?
Its duels like this that definitively prove that Yusei is the superior duelist compared to Jaden Yuki.
Takes a real duelist to avoid a loss by equipment malfunction
jaden: *learns to accept defeat even in important situations*
Yusei: *Turns off the wifi when he loses in duel links*
@@sasir2013 didn’t know Yusei played DL
@@sasir2013 I don't think Yusei did this on purpose
@@batayou6819 I don't think Yusei did that on purpose
damn and i was almost done making the scrip for this but I am so glade you did thanks keep up the good work
I really like this episode analysis please do more
17:12 Actually, I think Kalin would probably take one of those blows in order to hold on to Nightmare Hand, at least until he gets Infernity Dwarf. That way, he could still summon Hundred-Eyes Dragon and have an empty hand to use its effect.
I was thinking the same thing, but if he took one of the blows, he wouldn't be able to summon his dark Tuner on his turn, as it requires 2 tributes.