Jerry Goldsmith's MASADA - You Gotta Hear This! - Ep. 1 feat. Troy Baker
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- A new podcast series with Troy Baker called "You Gotta Hear this!" I have listened to thousands of works in my life that it seems criminal for not everyone to have heard, so I'm mending that one piece at a time and getting Troy's reaction. Tangents, as per norm, to be expected!
Check out Troy's new @troybaker channel as well!
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I'm so glad "Play, Watch, Listen" is having its on DLC!
The « Watch, Listen, Tap your foot » Season Pass.
Its a Standalone spin off ...lovin it
The PWLEU
They were going to name it "HEY!, Listen" but then all the gaming listeners got collective PTSD
Masada is actually my second-favorite explicitly Jewish Jerry Goldsmith miniseries score - I was surprised that QBVII never came up in this delightful conversation.
We need Austin Wintory to make a Spotify playlist of his favorite scores 😉
THIS
Genuinely would be amazing.
This is such a good idea!!!
When Jerry Goldsmith conducted his concerts in England, he would tell the following story before performing Masada:
"Masada, a film for television was truly of epic proportions. But it's grandeur and scope were never fully realized when viewed on a small screen. A story about a handful of Jews holding the Roman legions at bay was one that I had hoped for many years will be made into a motion picture with me writing the music for it. I remember one time I was in a plane from London to Los Angeles and the director Sydney Pollack was on the same flight. He told me that he was on his way back from Israel where he had been scouting locations for a motion picture based on the story of the defenders of Masada. I jumped out of my skin when I heard that and immediately expressed my enthusiasm for the project. He seemed interested in me, but the film was never made. Needless to say, when the project was re-activated and another director as a miniseries for television, and I was asked to do it; I was quite thrilled and excited."
"In the summer of 1979, I was sent to Israel by Universal Studios for research on music of the period. Only to find out the Roman soldiers did not have drums, but would beat their metal armors as means of creating a marching rhythm. From here I got the idea of using metal as a rhythmic device throughout the score. And since most orchestras don't have Roman shields as standard instrumentation, I've used a conventional blacksmith anvil instead. Here is the suite from Masada."
Nice bumping into you here
I discovered Jerry Goldsmith 5 years ago and he has quickly become my favourite film composer, when I can't think of something to listen to I just listen to Goldsmith
I remember the first time id bought my first Jerry soundtrack. It was in 1993 and that score was Medicine Man. Jerry composed great soundtracks in 1992, like Medicine Man, Basic Instinct, Forever Young...
From half the team that brought you "Play, Watch, Listen" Comes the new hit "Listen, Listen, Listen"
Amazing concept for a podcast. I love the format and wealth of knowledge coming from Austin, and Troy knows much more about classical music and film scores than I ever would have thought.
This would be awesome, Austin and Troy do film scores, I’ve been into them since I was a kid when I used to tape the themes off the tv on my boom box, I don’t collect as much as used to but have some pretty rare stuff in my loft, these days very much into Thomas Bergersen and Two Steps From Hell. Just never had anyone i could talk to about this stuff.
@@ColinRylanderWilkes Two Steps From Hell are awesome
That was a fantastic peace. The first seconds i was thinking of Ennio Morricone style western, but then i was transported into the bombastique of a Maurice Jarre epic.
When i was a youngling, my father told me classic music is for adults. I couldn't wait to become an adult.
As someone who grins like a hyena when "Play, Watch, Listen" lets Austin off the score-gushing leash...this is awesome.
Jerry was the man, his many themes have been recorded instantly into my brain.
He stayed on top of his game right until the end (2004) and he lives on through his enormous body of work.
Just something I noticed, the main theme for Masada first appeared briefly in his score for The Going Up of David Lev, an obscure 1973 tv movie taking place in Israel!
I know that score and I can hear similarities (mostly rooted in the Jewish sensibility) but I wouldn't call it an 'appearance,' as in a literal reuse. Can you point to the exact track title / timecode you're referring to?
@@awintory maybe not completely, but the last half of "Accepting Reality" is a pretty close cousin to the Masada theme, and the last 5 notes of that are exactly the same as the first phrase of Masada's theme
Going to start listening to Jerry Goldsmith!
Then my work here is done
Been listening to Jerry since 1982. There is so much out there to enjoy. He really has done some incredible scores. He certainly had a writing style, but sonically they are all very different. Enjoy your new journey.
You have no idea just how many great scores you're going to be hearing soon. Goldsmith was prolific and he scored more than his share of bad movies, but he was also remarkably consistent and there are at least 30 of his scores that are genuine accomplishments by any one's standards.
Thanks for this Austin, Jerry was a master at his craft, that piece was beautiful.
Gotta say, the #1 piece of music from Jerry that evokes happy family memories is “Soarin (Over California)” from the ride at Disneyland and Walt Disney World. So awesome!
Having grown up watching a bunch of movies with my Dad, such as "Planet of the Apes" and "First Blood" (among many others, of course), I'd never realized until recently how much Jerry Goldsmith's scores were a big part of my childhood.
My old man passed away two years ago-the 21st of this month, actually, and hearing these cool stories you know about Goldsmith oddly reminds me of the pieces of film/music history we would've bonded over.
Thank you for sharing them, Austin.
I saw Masada when it aired in the 80s. I was really young but I have never forgotten this series. So powerful. If you can find it, watch it!
Did you get so off track this time it morphed into a whole new podcast?
Yes. You see, Alanah and Mike are also in this call, just listening respectfully
Mike went to bed and Alanah had work, and the remaining two just kept talking.
Jerry Goldsmith, one of the main inspirations for me to become a composer & conductor as well.
I love that you bring THE Troy Baker into this wonderful musical world!
I always wished there was a separate podcast where Austin Wintory analyses music. This is awesome!
Welp. Time to go down Goldsmith rabbit hole. Absolutely blown away!
I remember searching frantically for this score years ago, and how overjoyed I was when I finally found it. It is amazing. I was privileged to be present at the Hollywood Bowl on the night when Jerry Goldsmith celebrated his 70th birthday conducting his own music. It was unbelievably exciting. He had composed an original piece especially for that night, to be performed with fireworks. Also, in quite a touching moment he introduced his father, who was in his 90s, sitting in the audience and sharing this celebration of his son's music. How proud his father had to be! (Jerry also said that conducting at the Hollywood Bowl with his dad there was extra special because his dad had helped BUILD THE HOLLYWOOD BOWL! What an incredible connection between them on that night!) An unforgettable experience for all of us fortunate enough to be in the audience that magical night.
Amazing. I envy you being able to be there!
I attended Jerry Goldsmiths 70th Birthday concert with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra in Edinburgh, in February 1999. Jerry conducted and I was awe struck. It was fabulous to see him conduct some of my favourite scores. Magical 😃
3:45 Troy is channeling Professor X
We were having a parallel chat telepathically
@@awintory lol! Great video as always Austin! Learned a lot, keep it up!
Jerry Goldsmiths soundtrack for Rudy is something that is forever enshrined into my soul. The movie just simply would not have worked without his score.
Definitely going to listen to this podcast more often.
Now that you own the conductors score you need to do an episode on Star Trek
Hang on, you're telling me the best segment of Play, Watch, Listen (Austin rambling about music) is now a standalone podcast?? Sign me uuuuuuuuuup!
Thank you, Austin for introducing to me Jerry Goldsmith's MASADA music. Now I want this to sip in my earholes on repeat.
I'm that guy when someone asks "what music do you like?" I list of scores from different movies and TV shows.
This was so great. I was a soundtrack geek starting back in the 1970s, and Jerry Goldsmith was one of my favorites, along with Bernard Hermann and Ennio Morricone. One of my favorite scores at the time was Leonard Rosenman's score for Bakshi's animated Lord of the Rings: The choice not to state the main theme in full until the end of the movie just took me away.
I still geek out over some film and TV composers--and, yes, I think writing to accompany image and help tell the story is a unique and interesting skill.
I came to video games late in life--really only in the last year or so, so I'm now appreciating the power of music score in a new visual medium, and I'm just getting introduced to Austin''s music, but I get such joy listening to the man talk about music that I look forward to getting to hear more.
I just quoted Masada today out of nowhere randomly, having not seen it for at least 5 years! "The victory? We have won a rock, in the middle of a wasteland, on the shore of a poisoned sea...." It's good you should watch it if you like Roman epics.
So cool hearing what you did at 16. As someone who's trying to get into this field at 16, it's really inspiring!
I’ve been up Masada multiple times. Trippy atmosphere.
The students in my composition class are going to love this! I showed them your How to Write A Minute of Music video yesterday and they were really into it!
Glad to see students getting exposed to this!
10 minutes in "reaches for leather bound pocket book and pencil" yes this will be another amazing learning session.
I could listen to Austin and Troy talk about music for hours, so glad you’re doing this
Getting hints of Holst...maybe a flavour of Beni Mora occasionally. Goldsmith was a genius and the sounds he put together for Planet Of The Apes ah sublime!
Film score nerd out time and I'm just a little upset that I wasn't able to be nerding out live with the both of you! Jerry's Hour of the Gun main theme is one of my most listened to Goldsmith cues. Once I hit play, I have to leave it on repeat! Keep nerding out Austin and Troy :D
I spent 5-10 minutes trying to think of a good comment, but everybody else pretty much has it covered.
Looking forward to the next one.
Jerry is MY favourite and MY great composer of all times. Love his style, that famous Goldsmith-Style that we miss so much from his dead in 2004. Missed Jerry, but i have all his soundtracks (collecting from 1993).
Jerry Goldsmith is my favorite composer of all time. I own his music on vynle and cd. Planet of the Apes, the Prize, Seconds, Adrian Messenger, the Satan Bug, i purchased when i was in high school in 1959, im now 82. and when im out walking or whatever, im listening to his music with earbuds. .my history with film music goes all the way back to Alfred Newman, Herrmann, North, Roszsa, Koerngold, so i count myself for being able to experiance all these great composers first hand so to speak. I love Goldsmith's inventiveness. There were actually times id go to a movie, just to hear his music!
Really excited that you're working on the new Aliens game, especially since you seem to be such a big fan of Goldsmith's work. The soundtrack for Alien really makes that movie so much more special for me so I'm excited to see what you do with that kind of style.
Aliens was James Horner, Alien was Goldsmith, not the only time Goldsmith and Horner did brilliant scores to the same film series.
@@ColinRylanderWilkes
The soundtrack for Alien Isolation was a perfect recreation/extension to Goldsmith’s work in my opinion.
Wonderful video! Thank you for remembering Jerry Goldsmith in such a warm, wonderful way! I've loved the Masada music since I first heard it, back in the 80s on TV. At that time I recorded music from the TV on a cheap children's cassette recorder from the TV speaker and made my own "TV Scores" mixtape. :-)
Love that!
Kinda wish this was just Austin talking and a picture of Troy seeming way too interested
That intro and motion graphics style is awesome 😎
Credit to Dallas on the graphics!
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Oooh! I'd scream for an episode about Halo's music looking at Marty's work and the later stuff.
As long as we're suggesting goldsmith scores, you gotta hear his score on THE EDGE.
Great score, fantastic performances and a very interesting script by david mamet
Re: THE EDGE, check this out: th-cam.com/video/fSywBc_D_o8/w-d-xo.html
@@awintory dude, what an incredible fucking career, what a life. One can only aspire to be as.
This is my favorite Goldsmith theme and as Austin said, the very first time I heard this when I was 14, it got PRINTED on my brain. The flowing of the leading lines and the orchestration are just PERFECT.
So happy you’re out here doing the lord’s work, Austin.
"Oh my gosh they have the high ground"
Jerry Goldsmith was a genius and it’s great to see folks talking about his music.
Jerry used Jewish liturgical music as well as folk music, particularly dance, as the template for Masada; I don’t believe he actually quotes anything, though.
Oh, and oboes are higher than clarinets.
Greatest film composer ever. And John Williams of course. I have 90% of their soundtracks. Jerry should of won so many Oscar's throughout his career. Masada one of best. He only did part 1 and 2. Morton Stevens did 3 and 4. Great miniseries too.
Listening to Goldsmith now just so I can enjoy Austin ranting about it for hours at end.
Love anybody geeking out and being passionate about Jerry Goldsmith. I’ve been a fan of his, really since hearing his score for Masada. Over the last 40 years or so I have collected about 170 CDs of his wonderful music. I mentioned, in reply to someone else’s comment, that I saw Jerry Goldsmith conduct the Royal Scottish National Orchestra in Edinburgh in February 1999, on the occasion of his 70th Birthday. That was a dream come true for me. Loved the podcast by the way, and happily subscribed 😉
Getting to hear Austin and Troy talk even more about music? Oh hell yes
That was hugely informative, thanks ! As a score enthusiast, I confess I'm really not as familiar as I'd like to be with Goldsmith's body of work, but that might change thanks to Austin's expertise !
Anyway, I've just ordered the 1990 Varese recording of Masada...
I tried to get out of going to Sunday school so I could hear this music! (Where I lived it was shown on Sunday afternoons.) I bought the MCA album re-recording and I didn't know it was a rerecording - But I just KNEW it wasn't what I heard. That's how imprinted on me it was. Oh you can bet I got Intrada's album!
Also, does alanah know you have a side hustle? :p
I could listen Austin talk about scores and music and little knowns facts for days! He is that cool kind of person you wish you are friends with! Pints with Austin would be a proper win at life!
Saw this on my feed and I guess I'm not doing anything for the next hour now.
As a music technology college student, who is just about to start dwelling on music composition and a pretty overwhelming (for me at least) interactive music project, this kind of conversations are the fuel I need to fight back all the insecurities and inspire me to give it a go.
0:50 What Troy means is that he wants the full Austin Wintory experience. And who can blame him for that
Bro, how did I miss this! As a musician and composer I'm sticking on forever now! 💜
I don’t have clue about music, But I love this! And have fallen in love with Jerry’s work thanks to you Austin!
In Freud and in Planet of the Apes he actually wrote serial 12 tone scores in part.
I'm maybe a minute into the first listen and I really hear Austin in this score haha. Awesome
When you talk about "certain phrases/colors/whatever" he would use in a string of scores I immediately thought of this rhythmic figure that's basically the main theme from GREMLINS 2 (not the famous rag, but his new theme just for the sequel) that also shows up prominently in LINK and TOTAL RECALL (at least as a background figure int he title track, don't know the full score well enough)
Their discussions are magnifying 💙
Switched to headphones as soon as you started playing the piece, and Wow! what an incredible composition... im always a sucker for expansive, adventurous ensembles like that. thank you!
I got so damn excited from listening that first piece, god DAMN that's good
OMG I'm so glad I found PWL and now THIS! As a classical musician I think there are so many pieces that people would love but have no chance to hear... Love it!
Austin was 16 when he listened to this. I was 16 when I watched this live on TV! What a moving mini-series this was.
What an amazing parallel!
"three or four french horns" and I suppose one or two partridges in pear trees. Oh that was french hens.
Have you considered making a score of just birds? Cat piano rocks, bird score gotta be good.
Excellent stuff Austin, keen for more
It is fucking fascinating to hear Austin talk about music.
This was absolutely a joy to watch.
Thanks for this. Subbed, and will be watching every single one.
PLANET OF THE APES WAS PURE JERRY GOLDSMITH GENIUS🎷
I've never appreciated music more than when I hear Austin talk about it. Having Troy as the 'layman' is such a great combo too. Looking forward to hearing more!
As a soundtrack buff and a bassoon player, thanks for sharing this with us :)
I always enjoy Austin's tangents on PWL. That Masada score sounds really cool, makes me want to seek out the show on TH-cam(or wherever it might be streamable).
Jerry Goldsmith surprise more than John Williams by bis fantastic scores and that‘s the reason i adore more Goldsmith. He is truly a tripple AAA-composer
Inject this straight into my ears
More Austin and Troy.
Need more of this.
Austin, let this series never end! At some point, you should have votes for what you might play for Troy to hear.
Hey man! That could be fun :)
Another transferee from ‘Play, Watch, Listen’ - fantastic guys, really enjoyable! When that ‘intro’ got a bit ‘Western’, I thought ‘How The West Was Won’, but that was by somebody else. My favourite themes that have those quiet starts leading to a swelling middle are both by Vaughan Williams: ‘Lark Ascending’ and ‘Fantasia On A Theme By Thomas Tallis’. Both get me teary-eyed every time.
Pleease please please make 6000 episodes of this
I am new to this, just popped up in my feed after i had listened to the latest Play, Watch and listen ep. I have no musical knowledge. Listening to that piece of music reminds me the game Guild wars 2 and then i felt like i was in the cinema watching different movies
I love all these new series!!! This reminds me of playing tracks for my sister to see how she reacts. Btw, would love to keep hearing some more "Love Thy Comrades."
Definitely doing more "Love thy comrades"
@@awintory Yay!
Fantastic discussion! My own impression of Masada, as someone who was actively following Goldsmith's work starting in the early '70s, was that it was his comeback after he burned out hard on the pressures of getting Star Trek: The Motion Picture completed...that film was still in the editing room days before its release, and the two-year wait for a new Goldsmith score was painful.
Good use of an Oxford comma in the title. Very classy.
The more Austin and Troy the better is ALWAYS say!
6:00 and thats how The Goldsmith sect started.
Just when I thought the podcast world couldn't get better...
Man this makes me want to pick up piano again. And by pick up again I mean start from scratch after my half-semester of lessons 😂.
Update, I bought a keyboard. We'll see how this goes. 👍🏻
Very cool - I've been to Masada! [in 1990] - (many yrs back, but awesome to relate your story with my recollection of it).
When I was 16 (and you were probably 15, if my math is correct), I popped in a VHS tape for a film called The Mummy. The music underlying the movie so intrigued me that I wanted to listen to it on its own (even if the one piece I couldn't wait to take with me, End Credits, wasn't even on the original fucking Decca album but has at least surfaced on the excellent, expanded Intrada release). So, I found the soundtrack in a Barnes and Noble whilst on vacation, popped that disc into my Sony Walkman CD player and hit play. Much like your experience at that very age with Masada, my musical life was henceforward never the same. Hearing Tuareg Attack, Night Boarders, Camel Race, Crowd Control, Rebirth, etc. was quite literally a watershed experience for me in terms of my musical tastes and I knew I would need to hear a whole lot more film music from that point going forward.
Your enthusiasm for Goldsmith warms my heart and I love hearing stories of ravenously needing to consume it all. But Decca folks weren't assholes. Goldsmith himself often had a hand in choosing how these albums were put together and there were multiple contract-holders making final decisions. On top of that, end credits were very often editorially created by his long-time partner in crime Kenny Hall, my dear departed friend, and not specially composed.
@@awintory Lest my attempt at wry sarcasm not come across well through the slough of TH-cam commentary, your assessment is certainly fair. It doesn't make sense to slight a record label that played such a pivotal role introducing me to any number of great scores during the late 90s/early 00s simply due to the album programming predilections of the composer in question, of which I am well aware. That was certainly a source of frustration for me (and others, certainly, in the film music fan community) as a teenage/early 20s film score fanatic who simply could not comprehend why Goldsmith so vocally derided the entirety of his scores being released on album (I can only think of a couple instances where expanding his music's album presentation has actually hurt, rather than aided, the entire listening experience)-- notwithstanding the extant nature of stateside union musician fees at the time and the general state of film music albums arguably being an even more niche market than they are now.
But, yes, even with that Mummy End Credits suite being edited together, I simply adored how well put together it was and how perfectly those eight-minutes captured the score as a whole. It just makes for the best way to finish listening to that score-- to have all of this musical ideas summed up in your ears one last time. And that Decca album, good as it was, formative for me as it was, just never felt complete without it.
This is the greatest thing ever. Please do more.
I love this and can't wait for more, it also would be interesting for Troy to delve into acting in the same way and do episodes like that and just alternate. This almost like a review but about specific works that don't get enough credit and everything will be really good and I'll be disappointed when the piece isn't on Spotify.
Jerry Goldsmith was the best. That's why his middle name was King.
Damn, I want Austin Wintory to score my wedding
That'll be some expensive wedding. ;)
Me too! I misunderstood and thought the Masada sample was his wedding score. Jjj. I appreciated the score, but only wish I was sophisticated enough to critique. Not in a negative way.
The Batman himself!
This is incredible, I feel so blessed to be part of this deep dive of beautifully made music guided by Austin and Troy.
There's nothing like being properly introduced to something mindblowingly beautiful by someone who's life's passion is the same creation process. What a great idea for a podcast - looking forward like crazy to what comes next!
Whoa! When did this become a thing. So glad for youtube recommendations.
Play watch listen is the only podcast i listen to, now i will have a second to watch
Every time Troy said this feels Egyptian or Russian etc, I was thinking the exact same thing! Great minds hey..
Bring a bit on the younger side Mr Goldsmiths music was a bit before me, so this is an awesome way to be introduced to it. I look forward to future episodes!