GB12 / SF10 DOT Team Building Guide : Summoners War
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- In this video we'll look at how to build the DOT (continuous damage) team that works for GB12 / SF10. With a 1-shot Lushen you can average 45seconds, it's very stable, and doesn't need much rune quality! Uses Sath, 2x Mellia, Tatu and Lushen :)
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It's crazy that this video popped up in recommended, I just finished sath and started working on tatu today
Wow, this team is super clean, super easy to build, great guide. Im definitely gonna sub
Amazing video, I understood everything perfectly.
Thank you!
I have been playing for 5 years and still can't have a late game Lushen xD
Then we are the same hah i got him like couple off months ago and i play from hmm maybe 2015😅
I've been playing since Launch and got 3 of them, non of which are late game.
The u haven't actually been trying
i played 1 year and now i runed him, but still no skillups, everything went skill 1 and skill 2 lol
thanks for creating this, great job!
Amazing video even a year later still helping us noobs!
Thanks for this Xennial
Great video! Thank you!
was able to copy this team almost exactly, but with more fight runes instead of focus. works like a charm ty tytytyty
Gzzz! :)
Great video, I needed that, thanks a lot!
Glad it helped!
Average time of 59 secs on a 10 repeat! Best time of around 52 secs with this team. Cheers for the extensive explanation.
Woot gz!! :)
Needed this. Thanks man
Glad I could help :)
Op theory ...5 dots theory .... U got the word "Professor X" exactly rite... Totally worthy content 👍😉 thanx👍
😀
Can confirm that dots work, even with a janky turn order. As long as Tatu goes last, it works
This was just what I needed great video!
i am getting back into SW so this will be a nice goal
I already have a decent 1 min team, but i love this team so much, plus i can rerune the previous team for gw when i finish building this team
Im ready for this team, just one more thing left, I only need 1500-2000 extra total damage on my lushen, some cd on the runes, or + damage to water or more cd on skill 3 from artifacts, im going ham in SF, PC, and nb12 now
I appreciate your informative video. Keep it up
Thanks man :)
great team Idea just need to summon a mellia so i tryed to make the core another way but seeing the stats and the idea for a will hp is giving me ideas for a new test for next ruine removal day as i dont need as much speed as i have below. Also seeing you reapp and learning about grindstones is making me build the team for a more HP base as that is the problem i am having thanks for the other idea or switching sperta for a bot mon is working on it and rn thinking of using pang still over all thanks for the video UwU
Dragon Team: Issue is A will on boss = Dead Run
Spectra [Moves 1st to apply attack bar drop] Speed/200 Acc/98 Violent+Blade
Sath[Moves 2 to apply posion + Defbuff] Speed/187 Acc/100 Violent +Guard
Verdehile Leader [Moves 3rd to cut the right tower [in testing it best he goes 3rd] and let Tatu kill using Incinerate] Speed/183 Acc/100 Violent+Will
Water Humunkilis [Move 4th Poison and Slow] Speed/ 182 Acc/100 Violent+ Focus
Tatu [Move last to kill] Speed/174 Acc/100 Violent+ Focus
Giant Team: Issue Tatu = Dead run I attack the right tower then left then boss to avoid a counter-attack best
Spectra [Moves 1st to apply debuff] Speed/200 Acc/98 Violent+Blade
Sath[Moves 2 to apply more Defbuff] Speed/187 Acc/100 Violent +Guard
Water Humunkilis [Move 3th Posion and Slow] Speed/ 182 Acc/100 Violent+ Focus
Tyron Leader [Moves 4 to slow waves] Speed / 176 Acc/96 Violent + Focus
Tatu [Move last to kill] Speed/174 Acc/100 Violent+ Focus
Great news fellow Summoner! She is now a Fusion unit. Easier to obtain and skill her up! GL out there!
I really enjoy your videos. Keep the good work and the streams. Regards from Argentina
Thanks Claudio, really appreciate that, and shout out to Argentina!
Thank you! You're the best!
You're welcome!
I made a mini calculator for Lushen damage and based on the reddit comment of the reddit post with the dungeon stats you need 10.5k dmg per card (I think that with the EHP and dmg reduction from golems you need 10.2k but you need a bit more for the dmg variation). Based on that I needed exactly 2050 additional Atk, 210% CD, 10% CD on S3 on artifact, 9% Dmg to water, 2 fight sets and both Atk and Wind Atk towers maxed to reach the damage (I didn't account for the Additional dmg artifacts which makes it easier because it's true dmg).
2050 Atk (counting the Slot 1 Atk, Slot 2 and 6 Atk% and 2 Atk artifacts) means you need 61% Atk through substats in the slot 1, 4 and 5 ( 20% in each slot).
210 CD (with Rage set) is 40% CD in substats in slots 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 (8% in each slot).
Given a Blade set you would need 13% CritR in each rune on average.
If you can manage to get tiny gaps on the Spd tuning on average you need 160-165 Spd on Lushen (maybe a bit less like you if you use optimizer), and that is basically +60 Spd that spreaded in each rune would be 10 Spd.
TL;DR: on avg have 20% Atk on slots (1,3,4), 8% CD on slots (1,2,3,5,6), 13% CR and 10 Spd in all runes and have 10% CD S3 and 9% water on +atk artifacts.
Great breakdown bro :) Pinned comment, very helpful
@@XennialGamer I think this Lushen is achievable with some good grinded Blue runes for slot 1, 4 and 5 and some Purple runes for the other slots
Nice video as always.
Min stat (atk, cd) for one shot lushen?
Not positive - but mine is pretty close to the minimum I think (except mine can get there on no fight sets, so you could do like 32% less attack with 4 fight sets)
Thank you 😜
Hey Xennial, thanks for another great guide! I just dont seem to get mine 100%... I’m always losing randomly. As far as I can tell I’m following your guide to the letter and hitting every stat requirment. Any suggestions?
If the Lushen doesn't 1-shot waves, try moving him to act 4th, between the 2nd mellia and tatu (higher AI trigger chance). Also if he doesn't 1-shot, try to boost his e.hp. Other than that, try to watch some runs and see where and why you fail - if one specific monster is dieing too early, then boost it's e.hp :)
To put this into context: My absolute best Rage fat Lushen is -100 attack and -20 speed compared to the one in the video. That's about 14.5K per card Lushen with guild towers and artifacts. That's not end-game runes, but that's late game runes - probaly low G2 siege level.
26K is the magic number needed to kill the golems in the #1 and #3 waves. My second Will Lushen only does 10-11K per card with all the buffs. This does about 8K per hit on the golems without attack buff but with Lushen attack lead and does not one-shot (needs 2K more damage). The Rage Lushen does about 10K per hit and overkills the golem by about 3.5K.
The failing Lushen is +2112 atk, 183% CD and only +23 speed. The working Lushen is +2236 atk, 234% CD and +35 speed. My failing Lushen artifacts were +12 Atk. When I +15 the artifacts for +2196 atk, the failing Lushen almost killed the golems. The artifacts substats also adds about 17% more Attack damage on the failing Lushen. I'm guessing I'm lacking about 20-40 more attack.
TL;DR - The Lushen requirements are very, very high for a faster team and still very high for a slower team.
Honestly this team should not fail even if your lushen cannot 1-shot waves. Look at it like this: my team has so far not failed once in hundreds of GB12 runs, and only has 1 fail in ~1000 SF10 runs at this point. Lushen derps ALL THE TIME :) So when he derps, that means he's not clearing the wave.
The 1-shot lushen speeds the team up, but doesn't impact its success rates. If you've got fails, it's more likely an issue related to speed tuning, accuracy, or your tatu or sath being too squishy.
It took me several rebuilds to get the team stable. 85% accuracy is a dealbreaker, even at 75% accuracy I had fails, but once I put everyone to 85% accuracy it became fully stable.
@@XennialGamer To clarify, I just meant failed to one-shot the waves. I'm not running this team (yet?), so I just tested two of my Lushens to see what rune quality it would take to make it optimal. After I posted, I found out I had a fast enough fatal set that should also be able to one-shot the waves and go first. It used runes from my old Julie, from when she was a thing for b10.
@@joejoesoft That makes more sense :)
Nice video bro 👍 i will build that team
Nice 👍
Thank you I've been looking for this video for a minute now
You're welcome!!
I love dual-functioning teams. :-)
hey i dont have luchen yet, but i do have a wind hell lady in my event shop (the guaranteed nat5) is it worth to pick her up as a replacement for Lushen? thx for the team!
No unfortunately she won't really do the same thing. She's a great monster :) But not a lushen replacement specifically. You might try something like Yen instead (but that's a guess I haven't tested her).
Damn you pulled two dryads. I have hemos and dark reaper with tatu.
Thanks for the video! I have Asima. Do you think she would be able to fit in this team somehow?
Perhaps in place of Lushen? If you don't have a 1-shot lushen that could work well. Just guessing
@@XennialGamer Thanks! I’ll give it a try. Still working on some of the other units to hopefully make this team work here soon.
thanks you run
You can also use vero, wind dryad,water homo,fire grim n pixie if you dont have good lushen or a sec wind dyrad vero lead thou dyrad fastest pixie slowest n u good
considering am pretty new and still dont run gb 10 can i try to go str8 to this? and does lushen can be replace by something like veromos? cause i dont got lushen and already fused vero
This team wouldn't work without Lushen, I don't think, not exactly as comprised. You can go straight to it if you have enough will runes, and there are some replacements for one of the Mellias, but not for the Tatu, Sath or Lushen
Any recommended effective hp for tatu and sath?
I know that the tankier the better. Just to have an idea.
Probably190-200k e.hp plus. Just a guess, I haven't tested the floor.
Does velfinodon can replace melia temporarily? He has dots in his first and an aoe dots in second. and passive in s3 thats why he will only use skill 1 and 2
Very unstable, his 1st rate to low while melia have 100% activation rate
What does C.SP mean? Cumulative speed? Like, towers and all that on top of spd?
Combat speed, but yeah towers and lead after base speed.
Does this work safely with Fran or Woosa instead of Lushen? It is obviously slower but I don't know if I can build the Lushen for oneshotting the waves.
Lushen doesn't have to 1-shot for it to work. If the Lushen doesn't do as much damage, another tip is to build him on swift at around 200spd and 85cr, with whatever damage you can. Then build the other 4 mons ALL on double will at around 200 speed. Should work perfectly and average under 1min that way also
This team wouldn't be nearly as hard to build if Tatu wasn't dumb af when it comes to using her skill 3. She's giving me an absolute headache everytime she ignites prematurely.
Yo man! Can your lushen 1 shot the waves with only tatu having x3 fight? My sath mellia and mellia all have x3 will so i won't ever get stalled by the mid boss and def breaks from the towers.
My Lushen 1-shots with no fight sets. I've never tested to the bottom to know if he's on the edge or overkilling. I believe he's around +2300atk and 231CD, with 21CD and some additional damage on water and additional damage by atk on artifacts.
Hi xennial, are you still using this team? I just build it and it works thanks to you, any suggestion for improving the team? Because somtimes is 1 min run
Indeed I do still use it, and I haven't made any tweaks for optimizations - the 1 min runs occur when Lushen derps, not much that we can do about that unfortunately without theorycrafting a whole new team I think.
@@XennialGamer ok ty man ure awesome
Hello, can i replace the second Melia with Isileen(dark elven archer) since he dots every single turns and even off turns? And what about yake the water imp?
I haven't tested isillen, I'm not sure how he'd do, but it seems possible. Yaku didn't work for me when I teste dhim tho
@@XennialGamer and what about pang?
I was thinking of making this, I can probably get Lushen to 1-shot with enough fight runes since right now I only fail on low damage rolls. Should I use the nat4 event for the second Melia (I don't have a Skogul, so that would be my alternative) or can I use Pang and still be consistent?
edit: is there a version for PC10 as well?
Seiishizo made another video that covers an alternative version of this team for gb12, you should check that. Oops, 2 videos.
This team would not work for PC10. There may be some viable team out there for PC10, but I don't think it would be stable because Sath AOE's and when you hit the side towers, you trigger a cleanse on the boss.
As Gabriel mentioned, there are some alternatives such as Pang; however, I think they have a lower success rate. I didn't test Pang much because I ran out of mana :p So I'm not positive - but what I've heard from others who built it is that it fails a lot.
Also I'm very torn on the Skogul question. I would take the 2nd Mellia over almost any nat4 that was missing. But Skogul is awfully close! It comes down to SF10 - there's lots of good GB12 teams. A bit slower, but just as stable and easy to build. But there's no other SF10 team that comes anywhere near this high level of stability and low level of rune quality required. It's really up to you - depends on if you care about farming SF10 or not, and also stage of game, available resources for farming, how badly you need a skogul, etc. I wouldn't blame you for going in either direction.
@@XennialGamer So you get me! I even have Bolverk and Felleria and I would really like to make those 3 work in siege/gw.
Honestly, I was really confused about your comments on SF10 being unsafe and now this post... What team are you using? I tried various combinations of units and never managed to fail a single run as long as I had the fire crocodile in. He used to be 5* for the longest time and just tanky enough to not die on waves, I literally filled up my arti inventory with SF10 stuff (just recently made a PC10 team and I'm still not happy with it) and don't recall failing a run. Keep in ming my account is early game and even for my standard, everything except Fran/Loren was on leftover runes. Now that the croc is 6*, I put him on a rage set and dropped the safe Fran/Loren/Verd team for more damage, though I'm still switching monsters around depending who has decent runes at the time. Pang makes things very consistent.
@@gabrielfurtado1954 I know, I saw them, my question was more on the line of is it worth investing an event pick on a second Mellia if I don't have Skogul yet, not how to build the team.
We have a different definition of crazy easy to build lol. I am lacking in the Will rune department.
i am lacking in the lushen dmg department
Excellent guide as usual. Do you think the team would still be consistent if the Mellias were 5 star?
Someone on stream last night said he was using a 5* level 17 Mellia and it was mostly succeeding LOL. I do think the Mellias needs to be tanky enough to survive, but since they are supports that's not terribly hard to do even with so-so runes. Probably 5* but with 85acc and (this is a TOTAL guess) 120k+ effective hp is sufficieny. The e.hp (which is the measure of def+hp) might be way lower or higher tho, I didn't test that at all - so if you find they're dieing, just add more e.hp basically.
ty ty =)
I have found that spectra 2a in gb12 for lushen is more consistently better for success, if you don’t have crazy runes and just started to make this team. It will decrease every run by at least 10-15 seconds, but it is more successful. (1:00-1:30 runs)
Honestly, you don't need a 1-shot Lushen for 99%+ runs. Look at it like this - the only monster on my team with good runes is Lushen, and I'm not using any fight sets, but it never fails even when Lushen derps. The key is the double will runes on the fire monsters to keep them from getting frozen and having 85% acc. The vio on mellias and 1-shot Lushen help but aren't essential :)
100 scrolls aniversary gave me No nat 5, but 2 mellias, Tyrone and 2 water boom. I'll take it.
Not bad at all, gz bro! :)
YoYo first takes all 👍🎉
you think a hyanes could work instead of the 2nd mellia? i just got hyanes and i cant seem to summon a 2nd mellia
Sadly I don't think so, since she only extends on 1 skill. Something like Yen or Pang is more likely to work, tho I don't know exactly how stable or how that team would be built without having tested it
i have some dryad dupes and i wonder if skillup will help at all in this team
or should i use them to skill up my light dryad
i can also see, that your second Mellia is 168 combat speed
she doesn't get cut? or you rely on slow debuff?
+ WHERE IN THE HELL IS RUNE OPTIMIZER?! :D
153 with max tower and a base speed of 101+ = 169 combat speed ;) If the base speed is 100 then you need 154 hehe.
This is all theory - but I think you're actually better WITHOUT skillups if you can do a 1-shot lushen, because skillups mostly give activation rate on attack bar pushback, and often I get to the boss and he can't take a turn to eat the damage until Tatu incinerates. However, without the 1-shot lushen the skillups might be helpful on waves when Lushen derps.
So in the raw video I actually said "You guys won't even need the rune optimizer for this, it's that easy" - but that was in a section that wound up getting edited out lol.
@@XennialGamer i see. thanks for fast reply :)
i was finally able to put this team together
it's great when it works, but everywhere, where a team relay on Lushen AI, there is a 90% chances of derping
and Sath's AI is not far away from being as crappy as Lushen's but they sill gave me fastest runs in GB and SF that i couldn't achieve before :D
oh and it's not 100% reliable team. at least for me when Lushen derp so fckn much
If you want to be 100% safe, Mellias need to be on 2xWill especially in SF because if, and believe me it will happen too often, Lushen derps, your other mobs will waste their skills which supposed to be used on mid boss and won't have them ready for the boss fight and might cause the fail because Mellias will get stunned on 3rd wave/Boss
So, im trying to run this team, but with two differences, I don't have a lushen so I'm running Vero, and I don't have 2 mellias because I'm using as Asima (light hell lady) to replace one and I can't seem to run it successfully on repeat
Yeah the Mellias are important because they dot on all 3 skills. Veromos is more of a sustain unit, so you're trying to blend 2 team concepts together and not quite completing either of them :(
Would Tomoe fit in this style team? Im running Vio
ev 100 acc
I don't think so, the extended dots are nice but only helps when everything goes perfect. On AI "fails" the run is likely to fail with so many fire units and no DDs. But during FRR, you can always test and prove me wrong :)
good
Random question. When using acc artifacts on the Mellia's, does the s3 acc count, or is it the skill she uses?
if you use acc stat related to the skill, yes
but you have to use artifact with acc skill3 in substats
Actually you need an artifact with acc skill 1, 2, and 3. This was another part I edited out because I rambled too long on it :p Short version - ALL 3 skills must be at 85 accuracy or you'll get fails. So if your artifact has 5/15/5 accuracy on s1/s2/s3, then you can use the lowest number (5) and build her with 80 acc.
@@XennialGamer ok I think I understand, was just a little confused since the dot is on her passive
I’m trying to this team does mellia have to be 6* to work ? I’m not trying to do a full speed team just a team that is faster than my 2min laika team
I haven't built it this way - but I've seen it work for others with 5* mellias if you speed tune everything at around 200 speed, and put the Mellias on double will. I think it has to do with them lapping the mid boss.
@@XennialGamer kk thanks I’ll keep this in mind
Im just starting and only got one melia I honestly love the dot she produces and its clearing me through B8.. But I cant quite auto b10 honestly.would love some tips
I'm honestly not sure what can replace the 2nd mellia that you would have at early game :(
Dang Understandable none the less great vid
Hemos not even 2a could work extremely well
i wish seara still detonated dots (well technically wish it worked how it was supposed to)
Glad to see you back bro :) That would be an interesting mechanic, but would have RTA implications...
@@XennialGamer oh i mean... she would be nutty busted but *shrug*
I feel like this is a total noob question, but please could you confirm what 169 "combat" speed is, compared to the green + speed on the monster's stats pages are? eg. your Lushen is 91 base speed, plus 65 bonus (green+ speed) which is 156.
I'm assuming the "combat speed" includes the 15% from the maxed speed tower (ie: 156 x 1.15 = 179.4 total speed?
As I'm typing this out, that makes more sense - but if Lushen needs to be faster, I'm not sure why all the others need to be 169 total speed - is that more to do with the speed of the giants boss - so they get a turn before the boss?
My speed tower is maxed and my Lushen has total 174 stats speed (so that'll be 200.1 with the speed tower's 15%) so do the two mellias and sath need to be 170 total, and tatu 169 (so she goes last)?
Thanks...
And if that's right - can you confirm that the "+ green stats" needed are:
Lushen: +46 (minimum or +10 (or more) above Tatu)
Sath: +57 (or +21 above Tatu)
Mellia: +44 (or +8 above Tatu)
Tatu: +36
You have the right concept, but the wrong formula. Speed tower (and lead) only amplify base stats. So Lushen's base is 103. With a 15% speed tower, he gains 16 speed (Com2Us always round up for speed). So 103+16 = 119. Giants midboss is 169 combat speed, so Lushen needs +50 to act before the midboss. However, if you make Lushen 169 combat speed, then you have to make the four others also 169 combat speed exactly, which really makes it complicated to build the team, so if you make the Lushen mid-170s, you have a little more breathing room to tune the team.
is there a team without double melia? I dont have them...
I've h eard of a few alternatives, but haven't tested any (water homie, pang) so I can't promise if they're safe. But 1 mellia at a minimum I think would be necessary :/
If you have one, go for taharus.
The one that worked the best for me was Yen
@@XennialGamer hi, i don’t have two Mellias pero the teams works for me using one Mellia and Yen or Orochi.... the rest of the teams is the same of the video. Hope this tip could be useful
Imp champions works week also
At the moment while my team can clear this way faster than my old non cheese team but it is far from perfect (more like 90%- 95% sucess rates).
My Lushen has Ken (SF collab event) runes meaning he can't one shot the waves so I used W Homu instead. Granted my W Homu has toa runes so he has 70& acc. Also my Mellias are using 2 shields and will runes and Tatu ai just derps at times too!
Might try switching the Mellias to double will runes. Also even if Lushen cannot 1-shot, he winds up being better for this team I believe
@@XennialGamer Yeah I change Mellia rune to be 2 shields now. Lol I dunno why I changed it to 2 wills days after free rune removal day! Must of read the guide wrong! Adding Lushen seen to be ok (only tested 1 run so far) but not perfect on Steel Fortress.
Right now, I gonna try to reprasial (when i craft 2 stones after reset) one of W Homu runes to have at least 13% acc to it's 85% altogether and get more violent runes for Mellia A (currently lacking vio with acc and spd sub stats)
Dumb question can I replace Lucien for Beth?
Not sure honestly - best way to find out is to test :)
Hello I just built this team, do you think it would help if I max the s2 of Mellia?
I'm torn if it matters tbh. Turn cycling the S2 might help on derp runs, but maxxing the S1 makes the boss take longer too. I think it probably works both ways - but that's guess. I have one with max skills and one with no skills :p
@@XennialGamer thank you! I did max the skill of one of my mellia and it works just fine
how do you build such lushen ._.
What about this team for db 12 (rica sath tatu homunculus (s1 single target anothers bottom) verde)
Do you think this team works or do you have any suggestion about db12
Ps: I know I know tricaru is best but i am a returned player and no def towers max and good runes for icarus
I tried something similar to that when DB12 FIRST came out, before 2A Sath existed, and it was a disaster. Never came close to working. Obviously Sath makes a huge difference. That was also before I had much in the way of artifacts, and my runes have improved a lot since then due to B12s.
Even so, I suspect you'd have a lot of fails, simply because of AI. In the team you mentioned, the homie only does dots on S3, Rica only on S3, so any time you have derps on the boss it'll get up immunity and you'll fail
@@XennialGamer thx for reply btw
So tricaru is must?
@@basariyaaciz Nothing is a must, but it's the easiest stable speed team to build at the moment, and it works in 3 dungeons
Can i replace lushen with control monster like verad?
I'm not sure - best suggestion is to test on FRR :)
The way to speed up the SF10 is to remove a melia and add a vio Pang. HOH mon for people who have been around.
if lushen doesnt 1 shot the waves, does the chance of failing the run dramatically increase? can it still be done reliable if he doesnt?
Shouldn't change the fail rate at all. Look at it like this - Lushen's AI sucks, and every time he derps it's the same as if he didn't 1-shot the waves. So far I've done ~300+ GB12 and ~1000+ SF10 with this team, with exactly 1 fail (on SF10).
@@XennialGamer Thank you, I've been you using your and Aces vids to help improve my line ups alot latley and they havent let me down yet ! just beat Toa normal for 1st time. Thank you for all you help man ! keep up the Content!
any replacements for melia?
I have thrain idk who else to use
I tested Thrain, and it resulted in fails. SOme have said that you can use Pang in place of the second Mellia (one Mellia is a must). Others have said the Pang version of the team fails a lot. I did test Pang a little, but the speed tuning was wrong and I had run out of mana so couldn't test a proper build, and I'm not sure where the truth lies :/
There may be some other wind dotters that meet the criteria, but I don't know of any. You need a monster that applies 4 total "dot-turns" (2x2, 1x4, etc.) in each of the Mellia spots, and they must do it on all active skills.
I use water homie until I can get another mellia, and I also use Vero in place of lushen because I'm f2p and not up to rune quality to win mor than 80%
What I found worked for a really early game account, that only started B10 3 weeks ago was to use Fran instead of Lushen (since mine coulnd't output the needed dmg) and have her on 100+ spd swift set (by now I swapped her to Vio, works on +70 spd). I have the team on full despair, except for Fran. My Mellias are also not 6 starred. The most important stuff you need to keep in mind is only that this team needs to survive 3rd wave double crystal and that Mellia needs at least 70% acc (minimum) and that Tatu needs to move last. Tatu should also preferebly use a Vio set, but don't have one at hand. It farms B12 on a 90% success rate. Also artifacts help alot
Can i put a healer unstead the luschen or is luschen must
I've never tested it that way - you can always try :) Might be pretty slow though
@@XennialGamer i want to put a Velajuel for the immunity becaus i dont have any will runes.
Could I use nyx in place of one of the dryad's?
I don't have Nyx of course - but there's a badass Nyx team out there. If you check the fastest teams by rank he's in most of them, you can copy that :)
@@XennialGamer I think I saw it Im missing the dark imp
I have seen a variation of this where one Mellia is on swift, twice as fast as everything else (threshold is around 280 combat speed I believe?) meaning it always gets 2 turns. The boss will still cut though because 1 Mellia is always getting 2 turns, but it might lower rune requirements for Lushen, because you can fit another 3 fight sets on the second Mellia.
I saw that variation also. I'd say that if you can make a 280 fight set, you can probably make a 1-shot Lushen tho :p Also it has some drawbacks, in that the Mellia will act before the Lushen which can slow down the non-derp runs. Seiishizo did a video where he tested the two builds and said the average times were identical after several hundred runs.
Think I can substitute a Mellia with Issilen?
Not sure - it would be pretty slow tho, since he dots on counterattack. The waves would have to hit you a lot :/ You can always test on an FRR, but my guess is it won't be stable
Does saths skill 3 stack is what i am asking myself
It does not :/
I don't own a melia at all, can I do this with a Thrain and someone else?
Unfortunately not, you'd have to go with an alternative team like one of the Sigmarus teams :/ Savannah + Light Chun Li can also make a stable team if you randomly have those 2 also.
Great video! Not early game though 😉
The Lushen doesn't 1 shot. If you saw the NONEXISTANT rune quality on my alt, and I've got Tricaru and BJR5 going on it already haha. Just give Lushen the best set you can, and switch the Mellias to double will and closer to 200 speed (speed slot 2 and acc slot 6 OK) and you can get this team going pretty early.
Nice man! I will definitely check your alt. These “early/mid” game definitions are just a point of view anyway, nowadays you can make a gb12 team casually in a month
Hi i have only 1 Mellia can i swith with other homunculus or Thrain? Thanks.
Unfortunately I don't think those work because they don't have DOT on all their skills, so they can derp
@@XennialGamer Hey bud would Dark Imp Champion work? if he moved before your 1 melia. He has continuous dmg on all 3 skills
@@XennialGamer And damage proportionate to enemy's Hp
@@willlevell_ I've tested with him, but it's rng based, especially with his skill 3. More failure than success.
I was wondering, is it possible to sub out one of the Mellias for Rica for the slow and extra dots?
There is something I am currently testing for a lower rune quality team which is Sath, Rica, Water Homunuculus, Mellia, Tatu. Water Homunuculus is there to protect the team from the boss S2 if you cannot kill him before the boss attacks. He is meant to die to the boss S2 so the others can stack dots.
Unfortunately not as a direct replacement in this team; Rica only dots on S3 and doesn't have perfect AI, so the team would fail a lot, and this team is based on the expectation that there will be at least 5 dots for Tatu to implode, so the turn orders get out of whack.
@@XennialGamer I just finished second awakening Thrain and after witnessing his turn cycling I wonder if he could be a potential replacement for Mellia.
I am only wondering because I really only have 1 Mellia that has decent enough runes to pull off a team comp like this.
@@Linkforlife199 When I tested him, I got fails. Too inconsistent to use any monster that doesn't DOT on all skills :/ But during FRR you can always test and prove me wrong!
@@XennialGamer Fair enough.
Maybe you should have said what combination we can have if we dont have two melia or strong lushen. only that.
If no strong lushen, just use a weak lushen :)
I've heard you can use Pang in place of the 2nd Mellia - I've also heard that the team fails a lot if you do. I think SeanB proposed one of the 3* wind units as a possible replacement also. But I don't think either Pang or the 3* wind unit provide the same consistency, and I'm not sure there's any other monster that provides the required 4 total "dot turns" on every single skill to make the team consistent.
@@XennialGamer Thx for replay, maybe hemos can provide that help with his s1 and s2 dots plus slow on s3. thx for everything. one last questions sabrina or second melia. i dont have sabrina yet.
my team seems to fail at round 3 when my team doesnt use any skills so the crystals ends up killing my entire team.
how can i fix this?
Try moving the Mellias to double will also, and make sure you have 85 acc on the mellias and sath, and 150k+ effective hp (200k is better)
@@XennialGamer you actually need about 55 acc because of the recent nerf to the boss' resistance
What would a weaker move last lushen look like?
85cr and 169+ combat speed, and then just whatever stats you can put on him will truly suffice :)
How can you implement a Nyx in this build? Instead of a mellia?
U cant , nyx only amplify 1 turn bonus debuff , if not resisted 2 melia +sath give 5 dot with 2 turn duration while 1 melia sath and nyx 3 dot with 3 turn duration means lack dots , and theres also resist posibility. Not safe at mid boss
Check the top few times by rank for DB12, they all use Nyx. I'm not sure if the team is stable tho, don't have him :p
Does it affect anything if I skill up saths skill 3?
Not for dungeon teams :)
@@XennialGamer Hello, do you mean that a 50% skill is the same as a 75% one in dungeon? I won't proc more dots i i skillup my sath?
Im gonna build 1 Melia on Swift to get 2 turn before tatu to make is safer ;)
Nice, i didn't think of that, great idea
That's actually more consistent, you don't have to hope for a vio proc
@Snuggle how fast would the swift set need to be?
@@pattyrick3892 if u put tatu on +50 spd it should be around +185-190 spd on melia? im not sure, i have to try ^^
What the stat of lushen to get one shot lushen?
I never tested for the bottom on that.. it's a sliding scale between towers, atk, CD, fight sets and artifacts, would be too hard to give set numbers :/. But 1-shot lushen isn't required, and doesn't even make the team faster on average, just gives better top speeds
What does the "169 C.SP" mean?
169 combat speed :)
why is everyone trying to build lushen strong and moves first? even if he has perfect ia the other members of the team wil rarely oneshot the mini boss and the boss. and if they dont apply 5 dots the tatu will incenrate at the first turn and that way you will spend at least 3 turns for each monster before the mini boss and the boss is cleared. my suggestion make the lushen much weaker and moves last just to clean up. plus that way he will have perfect ia. that way every wave will take 2 turns per monster exactly each time (except the first wave) and tatu will only have skill 3 available at the second turn to detinate. avg is consitant 40 to 40s per run and so safe as well. more than 99% at least
Yeah I did try to emphasize that it can be built either way in the video :) Definitely agreed both ways work - I prefer the fat Lushen way because it also means I can use the Lushen in other places, such as PVP. It's probably a few seconds faster per run as well, but not much more
What amount of fight would be equal to an atk buff
Atk buff is 50% of net damage, fight sets are 8% of base atk. It's technically a dynamically sliding scale (atk buff matters more the more damage you do) but realistically no amount of fight can equal an attack buff on well built monsters.
@@XennialGamer hm ok thanks. i Was asking because my lushen can clear the waves only with atk buff. Doesnt matter now because i put most of the runes on my bale
does Tatu need to be 2nd awakened?
Yes she does
I can 1 shot the waves of sf10 alrd with lushen but idk why I’m still failing tbh
Speed tuning and effective hp matter more than lushen's power tbh
Mhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... worth takin a second mellia from nat4 event to build this team...?
I was going to, and then I randomly drew one from an MS before it came from the event lol.
As long as you're not missing any 'key' nat4s I definitely think it's worthwhile. It's more about the SF10 than the GB12 honestly. This is one of the best GB12 teams out there, but it's not a must-build for GB12. However, it's the best SF10 team out there by miles.
great video i just wanted to correct ya a bit here just to avoid any confusion . it's not 5 dots it's 5 dots times 2 rounds each which for incinerate counts as 10 times 1 round dot . Tatu needs to burn 10 rounds worth of dots to do 100% damage with sath. Keep up the good work nevertheless :)
Interesting, I thought I addressed that near the start when I explained team mechanics. When I mentioned 5 dots, ofc i meant you need to land 5 dots from THIS team. If you were to change out the monsters then yeah you need 10 total dot-rounds.
@@XennialGamer yeah i know that you already addressed that i just wanted to make sure everyone understood it especially players that try this for the first time. didnt mean to make you look bad or something im a huge fan :)
@@epiccombotime Nah I wasn't worried it'd make me look bad hehe. Actually was just wondering if I hadn't been clear on that part - it helps me as a creator to know in what areas I can improve :)
Anyway, thanks bro!
So…just wondering…what the heck is c.sp?
combat speed - speed after tower and speed leads
Can Melia’s be replaced?
I've seen some people suggest alternative comps. There's none I've tested that worked, so I can't really make a recommendation :(Sorry bro
What is 169 c.sp?
Combat speed (speed after towers and speed leads)
Is the 169 spd after tower buff?
It is :)
Do you Think julie lushen sophia luna lyn still works in gb12?
Sadly no, it never had enough damage to run GB12, only GB10.
@@XennialGamer ok rip... even not with double luna and dmg sophia? xD
@@bensom9372 Yeah doubt it, because you can't clear waves in 1 shot to keep perfect ai
@@XennialGamer thats shit...
lmaooo i thought Tatu had to be 169 pre spd tower. im so bad