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3 WAYS to Know Which HVAC DUCTLESS Minisplits SUCK!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ส.ค. 2024
- There are hundreds and maybe thousands of HVAC brands making ductless minisplits now. A lot of them are the same manufacturers making several brands or licensing the name.
This video is meant to help you compare the units and figure out who is good without having to dissect the specifications, parts, and performance of each of the HVAC units. That's right! Some HVAC brands suck!
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@@ranakeen9884 thx
7 minutes of fluff and 31 seconds of useful information...
Ask people who have them
Look at the warranty
Look at the specifications
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Misleading I wanted to hear which systems by brand that suck :(
I pretty much say there’s too many. If they aren’t the common ones sold by contractors, they suck.
They all reek, including Daikin. We have rented two different properties with these and had big time trouble with all of them.
The problem is Daikin doesn't stand behind their warranty. I am a HVAC tech. I have over 225 Daikin water source heat pumps. We had a problem with the evap coils flaking off with corrosion with in 8 months after being installed. Daikin handed us a " white paper " stating that they know about the issue but , it's the customers problem now. DAIKINS WARRANTY IS A JOKE. I will never buy a Daikin product again......
Wow. I’ve never had an issue. Daikin doesn’t even question us when I send in warranty requests. Some manufacturers will question us to high heaven and make us do tests just to get certain parts. Daikin has never asked one single question. If I tell them the part is bad, they give me the part. Your problem may be the supplier?
@@NewHVACGuide we even sent out a evap coil I personally pulled myself to a 3rd party company that specializes in condenser and evaporator coils. Wrapped it in plastic and crated it up.
They inspect and lab test everything. They found that the coils were contaminated with POE oil and this broke down the factory clear protective coating and accelerated the corrosion. We literally had white flakes like snow coming out of these units... it was horrible. Daikin walked away and now there are lawyers involved....
@@NewHVACGuide the " white paper" they handed us was dated from 2013 and knew about this issue for 6 years since our issue happened in 2019.
@@NewHVACGuide I'm wondering if they don't question YOU cuz ur the "HVAC Guide FHO" guy on You Tube? know what I mean? Great info and you get good service cuz they know u talk about it here. But perhaps for the rest of the us it won't be that way. Food for thot. Maybe try it under another name or for someone else and see what happens?
I had a buddy of mine in the AC business as well has his own company had a EEV go bad right there on the phone Daikin told us to take it off the wall take it back to the supply house they gave us a claim number went to Johnstone they gave us a new one the next day install that had the customer up and running
Down here in South Florida, I own multiple properties. I’ve tested many of these off brands, as I own 10 mini splits. The premium brand is pretty good, I have two that are going on 7 years! Midea also sells parts now. But the most important thing to consider, I get these 12k units installed for $600-$750 materials and labor. If I were to go with an LG, Mitsubishi etc, the cost would be $2,000-$3,000 installed. I can burn through 3-5 of the less expensive units before ever coming to those numbers. Being in South Florida, I’ve had one unit with a Goodman top of the line mini split, next door to a Premium and they both cooled the same. I’ve installed them myself a couple of times as well, but it’s not worth saving $250-$300 to do all that work, in my opinion. Anyhow, just sharing my experience over the past 10 years running 10 units all day everyday. Cheers
Chris, thanks for information as I'm in the Tamap area looking for a DIY mini split. I had a guy quote me $4800 for a Mishibishu/LG 12000kw. So, I'm back looking at MR Cool, but their warranty is only 5/7, what do think is best way to go for a DIY or if you know a good "fair" installer in SW Florida? Dave
@@dcc2444 At $750 you could install 6 if the cheap ones lol. These AC guys that want to sell you the most expensive ones, they don’t care about your money, they just want to sell you the best most expensive unit. Makes zero sense.
@@christopherjamesrussell Which one of the less expensive units would you recommend?
Very helpful thank you.
What company are in they Tampa?
Here in NC I installed the cheapest ebay mini split for a friend because that was all he could afford. Fast forward 4 years and it's still working. Not all affordable units are junk. The company I work for installs a lot of Gree units. 99% are great but every once in a while you get one that slipped by QC. Even the occasional Daikin is a lemon.
What brand and where did you get it? I'm in Wake forest looking to get one for our garage.
100% agree with you.
You're full of cow chips. Mini splits are all junk.
I got a mirage mini split I bought for 300$ in Mexico and brought it back here and it’s been working like a champ in this Texas heat .3 years old .don’t let these places fool into spending money on those expensive brands .
@@htowner1327Mirage is Mitsubishi ❤
Im an HVAC technician with over 20 years experience, the best advice i could possibly give on the topic of mini splits is two points, lineset length must be a least the minimum length the installation instructions specify for a particular system, and a good quality surge protector should always be used, these things are all inverter based power(it takes the 240 volts from you house and turns it into 300 volts+ DC to run the fan and compressor like a 3 phase). So any power fluctuations can wreak havoc on the CPU.
I Have a HVAC tech degree. Most heating is so basic and really any one with a little knowledge can install. Diagnosis is the skill . Most of those warranty are crap in the end. I own rentals and every time its a bs answer when you actually want the warranty.
which mini split brand do you use for your rentals ?
@@constancekang9914 daikin mini split have been good. so far. very high reviews also.
Purchased: August 2023 - still works GREAT!I th-cam.com/users/postUgkxxsUnXhGsSJLim_XnMHyQK0u3XVaW-CGn live in a studio and during the summer it gets scorching hot - really old building with no ac units. I can’t express how EASY it was to install. This unit has been a life savior during the summer and some days during other seasons where it can still be a bit warm at night. In this small place is my friend, a husky, poodle mix and myself. We need AC - lolI don’t use the dehumidifier option - I’m not sure if it will leak in my house, since I did not install the small draining hose that came with it. May look into it late but I don’t worry about much humidity in the apartment. I don’t understand why the negative reviews since all things mentioned, I personally did not find issues with. Definitely worth it!
The lowdown is this. If you're technically competent and knowledgeable, you can self-install a mini-split you purchase online and it will perform fine (I've installed 3), AND you'll save about half of the costs. Otherwise, you need a licenced HVAC installer, who will probably require you to purchase the unit from his company, making the entire purchase/installation much more expensive. DON'T purchase online to save money and have an unqualified person do the installation.
I definitely see your side of this argument. However, there are many things to consider including refrigerant on the market that are flammable, issues that could arise from someone's experience, and low quality products being bought online. I've met just as many people saying that they installed it themselves wishing they had not
@@NewHVACGuide I can appreciate a commercial HVAC tech not wanting to repair a unit someone fudged the install of. I was only speaking for myself, as I knew my capabilities and understanding, which is why I advised NOT to go the route I took unless a qualified person was involved to install.
Not just half.
I only need to Temperature Control a 630 square foot space with a single zone and all the contractors in my area are quoting *6000 dollars* when the equipment retails for around 1800.
Rounding that up to 2,000 for a few odds and ends and it's 2/3rds off to do it without them.
It's really sad, it's literally 2 hours of labor (in my specific case, obviously larger systems with more zones will be much more labor intensive) but they're charging an arm and a leg for it.
Is it a supply chain thing? They can't get enough units to pay the bills on volume so they're stick it to the customers they can service instead?
@@priestesslucy3299 630 square foot? You could remove and replace a DIY 115v 10k BTU minisplit every time it fails for a few years for the price you've been quoted!
@@NewHVACGuide
I can appreciate that. There's a lot of people who don't understand the underlying concepts of what they do, in all technical service sectors. I decided I wanted to be able to buy R22 which they made a licencing requirement for so I called around and found a school that was about to administer a test and they agreed to let me come take it with them for a small fee. There were guys there having been through a two year curriculum nervous as hell that they wouldn't pass. The test was three sections for three levels of license. I ripped through all three, finished first, and got the top level "universal" certificate. I've never worked in HVAC nor been to HVAC school. But I can legally work on industrial chillers. Installing pioneer mini splits for family is just another thing to do.
Good video.
I've found the parts warranty doesn't mean crap ! The labor warranty is whats critical. Any of these companies will send you a replacement part,but when you see the cost for an hvac company to come out and replace that part,you may as well buy a whole new unit.
I agree. I've covered that a couple times in videos
so true .
What brand would you recommend for a DIY?
@@extremerecluse6548 I don’t 🙂
@@extremerecluse6548 From what I understand the cheaper ones are all made in China by one or 2 companies. So customer service is more important. I have had good luck with MR.Cool, Senville and Pioneer customer service. I only buy from places that I can physically return the item if I have intial problems.Mr.Cool is really good if you are running long lines,because the typical type (somewhat diy units) that need to be vacummed before releasing the charge,have limits on how long of linesets you can run per port. For instance I almost bought a Senville which the listing claimed a 100' of line could be run,yet that only ment 25' per port. I would have had to hire an hvac company to come out and vacuum the lines and add more refrigerant. The $1000 I would have saved with buying the Senville was now the same price (or more) than just buying a MR Cool with the lines already pre charged and ready to go.
I recommend buying the cheaper mini split brands with Toshiba compressors. These units are easy to install yourself. It'll save you a lot of money. I've installed 3 units in my house and haven't had any issues for 3 years now.
I have a 12 -14 year old Samsung Vivace in the living room. At the time it was the only gloss black unit that matched the tv that my wife would allow on the wall lol. It still runs great. I think besides proper installation, installing a surge suppressor is key.
Agreed. I have been putting in $500 off brand heat pumps free for my friends and neighbors for 10 years. The State has rebate programs of $2,000 if you use their expensive installers...but we buy and install comparable units for just $500. No failures yet, and we have all saved a ton of money.
@@robertmencl9169 yep they all come from the same factory 😂
How cold does it get by you?
Can you please share the brands? Thank you!
I bought a senville unit back in 2015 and it's worked perfect and still does. This includes 100°+ days.
Good to know lol I just bought 1
Looking at rough estimate of costs to run them. I’m entertaining buying the 4 way split
@@jesseperkins4754 I have senville 30000btu 3 head units run all last month prob cost 150 vs our baseboard heaters that use to cost us 900 ...these are AWESOME
Good to hear also. I got the Senville Aura 12,000 btu w/ 2 wall units. Been great so far and feel reassured that they last.
There are several good DIY units out there like Pioneer, Coper & Hunter, Senville, and others that have decent warranty's but sadly, one of the biggest issue's with failures has more to do with poor installations than poor equipment. There are too many You Tube videos that are giving poor advice on mini-split installations and the end results are, compressor, evaporator, and system failures blamed on poor quality, when in fact the issue was a very poor installation. A good example of that would be a system with; poor flares; using improper flare nuts; not using a good sealing oil like Nylog; not properly pressure testing (with nitrogen); and then not evacuating it properly using a micron gauge (pulled down to a minimum of 200 to 300 microns, and held for a few minutes to ensure that there are no leaks. Instead they just use analog gauges and cross their fingers hoping it pulled down correctly leaving no contaminents. Few DIY'er are aware that moisture left in a system because of a poorly done evacuation will mix with the refrigerants and become a highly corrosive acid that will destroy a system from within. Sure, it will run fine for a while, but for how long! And then when it fails they'll blame the manufacturer for producing a poor product. When a system is installed, tested and evacuated properly, you can pretty much be sure there is no moisture remaining in the system, and that means a system that will most likely run fine for many years. Do your research, install it correctly, and you'll have a system that will have few if any issues. If in doubt about the problems moisture can cause in your system, check it out here; www.sanden.com/moisture.html
Do a TH-cam indepth tutorial. You might make a lot of money of it. I want to install a mini split in my restaurant. You sound like you have great knowledge on them. Let me know if you ever decide to do a TH-cam video
@@mibz1117 Thanks for your vote of confidence but my only concern is to make sure that folks have the right information, to help them make a proper installation, that will ensure the longest life possible. It doesn't cost very much more in time or money to do it right, and in the end considering the life of the system, it's by far the least expensive installation of all.
Thanks for taking the time to do this, whole lotta trash on the internet I appreciate when people put useful info on here
Thank you for your kinds words!
The reason there are so many brands is that anyone who wants to buy about two container loads from China or Korea can brand label their own units. It's a good idea to avoid these because the companies come and go and you won't get a warrantee and can't get parts when they do unless you're able to cross reference to the OEM but you'll have to pay for the parts because they won't honor the warrantee on a branded unit. The efficiency is the thing that really distinguishes the quality of a mini split because the lower eff. units run much higher pressure and compression ratios and don't seem to be made as well. I won't install anything less than a 20 SEER. Another good reference is where it's made. The Japanese invented the things and pretty much make the best units. I think Daikin is Japanese but they have a factory in Texas so it's fair to say they are one of the top of the line units but you pay a premium and in my opinion they are not THAT much better. The Chinese make some pretty good knock offs. I stay away from the Korean units and they are one of the most popular to get brand labeled they aren't really that bad. Both Trane and Carrier brand label Gree from China, or at least they use too, and you won't go wrong with them because you have a big American company behind them but you also pay extra for that. You can get the same thing with the Gree name on it and they're pretty good units for the money, but again, go for the higher efficiency models from a reputable supplier that you're confident will be there in the future.
yes i thought i would save some money and instaledl it my self
@@mtsaz100 interesting info, they are all switching it up every few years so it's hard to keep track. Pretty sure Carrier isn't branding Gree anymore either, if they ever really were. Just saw one at the wholesaler years ago and it looked like a Gree to me at the time. They are all very similar. I've been selling Pioneer lately and trying to figure out who actually makes them.
This video is the quintessential definition of bloviating!
Yeah. What a turd.
Learned a new word today thank you!
Like, trump is a lying bloviator.
Listened at 2x, still a waste of time.
This word is gonna catch on. I'm gonna use it everyday from now on. I just hope I don't bloviate all over the place when I share my excitement for this new word.
Can you just give us a list of good/bad brands?
IKR read a recently removed comment said quality data started 7:31 clicked on it and it was the end of the video, point taken
One of the biggest problems are the installers are led to believe that many of these units produce undiminished BTUs at sub zero temperatures. This misconception comes from manufacturers advertisements saying the unit works down to 22 below 0 or something similar. What they are not saying is that it has a diminishing BTU output the colder it gets. In order for these units to put out undiminished BTUs they must have a dual stage compressor. These are known as Hyper Heat, Hi Heat, or ULTRA, etc. A single stage compressor will lose close to 50% of its heat output at 0 degrees. When doing a heat load calc for a design day of 0 degrees and your heat load comes out at 24000 BTUs you need a unit that will produce 24000 on a 0 degree day not one that puts out 24000 on a 47 degree day. You would need a 3-1/2 ton unit to supply 24000 on a 0 degree day. Many installers are going to be very disappointed about their heat output when it gets close to design temps in colder regions.
That's a very good point. Just because it can produce heat at a lower temperature, doesn't mean it has the same capacity.
I see this all the time. Companies selling standard heat pumps or non-cold-weather heat pumps to people who are going to be using these units in extreme cold temperature. If I know the heat pump is going to be used in cold weather I sell cold weather heat pumps only or nothing at all.
@@williamlongo4819 They don't read the performance charts, just the box lol
I bought LG minisplits on clearance maybe 15 years ago. 4 dual zone systems. All but 1 has survived, although I've replaced a lot of sensors and control boards. The 1 thing these videos don't tell you is if the PARTS are available down the road for the manufacturer you choose. I "hate" the LGs BUT the parts were always available for at least 12 years, so they were salvageable for maybe $250 a year in maintenance (24K btus). Yes it's hard to find a pro to fix things. Even harder to find one that will repair rather than fix an older unit. My units are now end of life so I'm looking for new options or just going back to old faithful window units...
My favorite AC tech told me something that is true, the simpler the unit is, the easier and less expensive it is to fix. The old constant spin compressors are cheap and easy to troubleshoot. The newer inverter units are much harder to keep functioning when things go south. You can still find these low budget units from Mexico and South America. Although from experience if you need quite a few units from a no name brand, you should order a few full backup units to pull parts from in the future. Just think of it as insurance.
A few years ago I got an estimate to put a single head Mitsubishi mini split in a second floor attic bedroom. I got two quotes at $5000-5500 for single head! No way I could justify the cost of that. I wound up going with a sleeve in the wall and a better quality wall mounted A/C which worked fine.
Please answer !! If you had to buy a 5-6 zone mini split TODAY what brand ?
*Love this unit! Using upstairs in my sons bedroom **Fastly.Cool** and he’s finally able to be comfortable upstairs without me freezing downstairs. Works for more sqft than expected!*
Great to hear!
Mitsubishi rocks. Did a four invertor unit in my home. Very quite and efficient.
With you there Jordon!. Shut down my gas furnace and replaced my central aircon. My HVAC company offered Carrier, but said they did not recommend their heat pump system. They said Mitsu was expensive but they felt more confident due to the Mitsu 50 years in the business, reputation etc.
I didn't have to think long about it. I had them install the Mitsu MSZ handlers (3) last August for my 2500 sq. home. I stayed warm during the winter, cheaper then nat gas. In being honest, I had one morning that I woke up cold. It was -2 degrees and the system shut down. YES, it was 7 degrees lower then their rating, but the system made warm air again once it got to 3 above!
At the time of this writing, it is my first real use of the AC system, and they are amazing! Best use of $15k I have put into my home ((O: Enjoy !
Just had a Mitsubishi installed yesterday. Forgot to ask about the owner's manual...we called the sales rep and the installers tossed them. Need to find out how to turn the unit off. Room got to 74 yesterday and depressed the too warm button. The AC kicked on...no thanks not in winter. Other than that hopefully easy to remedy problem we love it.
I had Daikin units. The bedroom unit coil leaked. Then after $1500.00 in labor charges from a 40 year air company, it didn't fix that. I got the head covered and replaced. The following year The Livingroom interior unit leaked. I think Daikin is the worst of the worst. The units were only 4 years old. They are now out of my house. Only used for AC by the way. So thats like one year of operation in NY. It gets hot 3 months of the year.
I put in lots of Daikin units never had those issues might want to check the people that installed it sounds like they hacked it in all reality all mini splits are the same they pull the heat from one area and move it to another it's just more of a preference thing with name brands they all work the same I go with the cheap ones online sometimes and I don't have any issues with him either it's all in how you install them and I stay away from Quick Connect couplings I'm perfect what can I say
Don’t listen about warranty unless you’re buying from a certified HVAC technician and COMPANY, otherwise install yourself and make it the cheapest
Sometimes I wonder if the reason some installers have a preferred brand they push is less because its any better and more because they more profit off a certain brand.
It's because we have had less call backs on it, seen how they're built, and know their part's lifetime. A preferred brand is less about making money, and more about getting rid of future headaches. Unfortunately, the more it costs, the better the product.
You have to define "better". Really isnt too much to these units. Two coils, 3 or 4 off the shelf sensors, An inverter that consist of a bridge rectifier, 3 phase inverter and a rotary compressor. higher seer units use an EEV and all multis use EEVs. Fan motors are off the shelf. Really havent noticed any gauge thickness in the sheet metal, Plastics are all the same, reversing valves are off the shelf items. They all have good, better ,best but that is just options not quality. They are all powder coated. We have a lot of Fujitsu fan boys in our area, they say Fujitsu is the best and I get a blank stare when I ask why. Triple vac and break with dry nitrogen and use good surge protection and they will give you the same amount of hours. Ultra heat units are where you will actually see competing compressor designs and frost sensing capabilities but these are a little different animal and relatively new.
@@anthonyspadafora1384 wow, you know your stuff......I plan to do my due diligence to choose the best for me. I plan to install it as well. I'll get the electrician to deal with the wiring but much of it I plan to do with the help of my brother. As a woman, I get super excited when I use power tools and finish my diy renovations!!
Can a ductless system handle New England winters? I'm in the Rhode Island area and our house has no heat at all, just space heaters. Been that way for 13 years now. The house has no gas service so it has to be an electric option. I'm laying in bed right now with about six blankets on top of me, and I'm still freezing my feet off.
thanks for the info,im considering going with a couple of these to replace my 50+ yrs old AC as someone said the old type freon may be phased out and ive been fortunate that ive had a nice hvac guy help me out in his spare time with just checking coolant levels. ive done a bunch of work to the system replacing main blower motor and sensors for the thermo. and my dad replaced the main outer fan motor and i maintain it yearly to keep it in best condition i can but if the compressorr goes bad i'll probably need a complete refit from what ive read in repair forums as it'll have to go to the new type of freon.
i own an HVAC company. I had a commercial customer have a GLOBAL unit installed. It immediately broke down within 2 days. They called me out. i diagnosed it then called GLOBAL. Global asked me who makes the unit to which i replied " you do your name is on it". They told me they do not make the unit they just buy whatever and repackage it with their model and serial number. they said the parts are not available and the customer would just have to purchase a new unit. I informed my customer what they said then sold them a Mitsubishi. Not too sure about daikin warranty. I had a daikin rep come look at a job. While he was there he was on the phone with another company and i heard him say " we will not cover any labor we will just give the customer a new head unit " The unit is fairly new so i am not impressed with their warranty.
Crazy. Sorry to hear that
My 3 ton Bryant package AC unit went out after a long 15 years in Tampa, Florida heat.
I bought a 5,000 BTU window unit, while waiting for two eBay mini-splits.
I installed them both in one day.
One was an 18,000 BTU @ $660, the other a 9,000 BTU @ $590
Because I no longer loose cooling through duct work and associated :heat soak" loss, I not only get more cooler air, the units can not be heard, better efficiency, and my electric bill went down just over $100.
That was four years ago, and they still work as well as when new.
The window unit never gets used, I bought it new at Home Depot to tide me over until the mini-splits got here. ($99.99 on sale.)
You don’t have to waste time taking out the fan from the ac unit. All you need is an old toothbrush to clean the fan blade while still in there. Dust will fall off. Spin the blade with fingers till you reach everything.
An old mascara spoolie works too!
The online mini splits are what a lot of people buy including myself, because they don't want to spend insane amounts of money for a HVAC contractor to install them.
Let's keep it real. Most do t install customer supplied equipment because you don't get the markup on equipment.
Do you bring your own food to the restaurant, so they can cook it for you? I work in the automotive field and rarely install customers' parts. We won't warranty anything if it's customers stuff and we have that in writing.
@@Discretesignals that's a good analogy but the difference is the cost difference. $4000 means a lot to most families. I know many mechanics who will let you bring parts and they will install for labor. They don't warranty the product though
What is ur opinion on the Panasonic mini split
That's my question too. Landlord is in process of having Panasonic ones installed now.
Wow Josh you give a 12-year parts and labor warranty on your Daiken
That's amazing
When I had my central AC put in he gave me a year and extended it to two years for labor I think the unit has a 10-year parts only through Bryant.
You have a good company cuz I had nobody down in the Northeast give me that kind of a warranty and I tried!!!
Have you noticed a quality control issues with all daiken across the board? Before covid almost all daiken equipment was pretty spot on and worked great but since covid it seems that it’s a 50/50 shot that the equipment faulty on start up? And what do you think about the daiken fit systems?
We haven’t had many issues. I hope this isn’t a sign of things to come🙂
Daiken is a lower mid-range brand. They have a 12yr parts warranty, but labor is high-end. When I buy high-end I expect to get 10-15ýrs out of it with little maintaineñce. I can for advice, not for a sales pitch.
What mechanical devices do you feel make one unit better than another? Im a 40 year RSES tech so no need for fan boy subjectives. Just explain to me what parts are better and why, TXVs, motor windings, jacket gauge,inverter?
Do you think a Midea Mini Split Indoor head is different from a Carrier Performance indoor head even thought they are both made by TEC?
Hi what about the Durastar 18k btu one way ceiling mount cassette. Is this a decent unit going in an enclosed magnatrack screened in Patio?
The fact that there are so many different brands is the biggest problem with mini splits .They go in and out of business like the ocean tides. This is why I've often said that mini splits are a disposable appliance once it breaks. Lots of time the company that made your mini split is no longer around and you are SOL.
Also many times it's cheaper to put an new one in that do any repairs on the existing unit.
The bottom line is they are all junk that is over engineered. I never recommend them to customers.
Im in San Diego, bought my mini in Mexico, 400, bracket & pvc cover 90 vacuum pump 120, installed it myself for total 610.00 here they wanted 1300.00
I have a 6 month old daikin 3 zone and it's currently not working properly, but used to run perfect (is short cycling but not low on refrigerant) and company who installed cant seem to figure it out. Any ideas?! Warranty means nothing if the installers dont know how to diagnose! 👌👏🤔🧐
Thought by the title this may be informative, instead got a infomercial for a specific brand and plugging his business
This video is a perfect example of why TH-cam ruined the platform by removing the dislike button.
There is a Dislike button
First rule in recognizing someone is either biased or trying to sell you something, they use term "cutting edge".
Haha! I’m definitely biased against bad brands
My mini split Daikin was a POS endless failures replaced with a Mitsubishi
Thanks for all the great videos. We live in a 212 year old house with a old oil fired boiler that's going to need to be replaced soon, and is in a space which will make replacement difficult. There's also no AC in the house, with the previous owners using multiple window units. I'm researching options, and leaning towards minisplits, so these videos are really helpful.
Awesome. Keep in mind the heat rise won’t be the same as the oil furnace. So you may need to insulate the home better
@@NewHVACGuide - Thanks! Most windows have now been replaced, and we're looking at having the remaining ones replaced. We're also looking into insulating the attic, and I've been working on insulating other areas.
What do you think about ducted mini splits? We have the attic space available for the Air handler, and I was thinking ceiling ducts might be nicer than dealing with holes through the brick and plaster and lathe for four bedrooms and a bath.
@@blue33fp You will be happy if you insulate the House well. Whenever someone goes from oil furnaces to anything else, they found out how cold winters can be
You get more British thermal unit out of oil then you do Is natural GAS
@@jcaleca60 your sentence makes no sense
It’s all about the install I have installed a lot of off brands for the last 8 years I have not had one fail the only problem I have had was one remote went bad
What brand you recommend for diy?
Your claim of Dakin being the largest at Air Conditioners manufacture is
Just not true.
I have Been doing A/C and heat for
45 years.
There are many mini splits out there.
One main reason is people in
the A/C install business are over charging people to run
2 freon lines and a control cable through a wall.
So people who no longer have good paying jobs in this country are trying to stay comfortable in there homes.
In the early 1970’s Air Conditioners were not every where like they are today.
Mini Splits are better then the common Window unit by and huge margin.
Fredric and Carrier and Trane
and at least 10 other brands are made in one factory that is not in the USA.
How cold should a Mitsubishi 15k blow? I have on in my 500 sq ft garage FS series and it seems to take a long time to bring temp down. It is blowing 50 degrees
How much is tacked onto the purchase price to cover the lengthy warranty? I thought you would cover mechanical issues, not warrenties.
We do Daikin but when they aren’t available we use Fujitsu. I like Daikin better because it’s a lot simpler. But Daikin seems to spring refrigerant leaks way more in comparison.
why would anyone prefer a brand that "seems to spring refrigerant leaks more " that makes no sense
@@timmo6113 because it’s a lot simpler
@@timmo6113 also makes us more money 💰😜
Goodman should have a class action agst them if only the customers knew how bad they are. 2yrs on inducer motor assembly, maybe 3 at best. Trane by far the least problematic in my experience. Great video!
We are currently in a rental property in Florida that has four Daikin units. To put it bluntly, they suck the big wazoo. We tried to leave them in auto mode, set to one temperature. They blew nothing but cold air even though they were in auto. Any time we try to adjust the temperature, they stop working and the on lights just blink. A tech came out and told us if it happens again to trip the circuit breaker and reset it. The only way for us to regulate temperature is to reset them and have heat, then again turn off the breaker and set them to cool. I would never ever have these installed in my home. This is the second rental property we have had with these and both times they were pieces of poo.
Thumbnail “Ductless Brands that Suck”….lists no brands that suck. Thanks bro
Too many to list. It was easier to say "anyone thats not these, suck"
It was clickbait.....plane and simple. Very misleading title....
I didn't think about a warranty. The Mr. Cool warranty seems to be much less than a pro install. But getting a pro install costs much more and takes months to schedule. I wonder if it's a wash in the end?
I was quoted $3600 for a 9k btu mini split pro install. I was able to do it myself with a Tosot including electricity, a 12k unit for about $1300. If it breaks and its no longer in warranty I still can replace the unit 2 twice. The markup on these professional installs is INSANE.
@@LDBaha the markup os nor insane. Intact, the quote you received was cheap! Business's need to male money. They need licensing, and insurance to even be allowed to work for you. They need to warranty their work. How do you find them? They PAY for advertising. There's more involved, but I think you get my point. You were able to save money et be ause you have the knowledge to do it. But, you're not held to the same standards as a contractor.
HVAC prices are insane. The mini splits are basically designed for diy. Charging 4 or 5 times over the actual cost is nuts. I will diy one, bank the change, and can redo it later if it fails. Plenty of good info on the steps required, and some specialty tools. Still only a few hundred, and ready for any service work, or to help a buddy doing one.
Online units are way cheaper than company installed, company wanted 8 grand for 1 unit, i got 2 units fir less than half, 3300 bucks 2 12000 energy star units pre charged 25 ft lines. The companies that install are over charging on the install big time so that 10 year warranty is paid for in the install cost.
Thank you> I do have a question and I have directions for how to restore connectivity (after a power outage) to Mitsubishi mini split with the MAECH1 remote controller. The problem is I don't know which button on the remote is the "connect" button. My instructions: remove remote from wall and change batteries. Take it to the unit which in my case is in a room area on the roof. Because I have more than one, I check in the small covers and find the one with the red light. That is the one that has lost connectivity.
I hold the remote up to it, push "cancel" on the remote."Cancel appears to be the far left button as it faces me. There are 4 of these buttons.Then, at the same time I push "connect" on my thermostat and the white button inside the little door at the same time, and then let go. (may take several tries) MY PROBLEM is that I do not know which of the 4 buttons on the remote is "connect".
To be clear about the buttons, the one on the far left says underneath it "set clock/day schedule" It also says "cancel" but that happens when changing temperature so you are going back to the set temperature. The other 3 buttons, from left to right, say "Fan", System, and More.
So if I'm correct that the fr left button is the cancel button, which one is the "connect?"
Golly, hope you see this and can help. Thanks
Are you completely against buying pre-charged units from Amazon or are there actually good choices?
As long as it's DYI at places like Lowes and Home Depot a Mr. Cool is warrantied for a few years and costs about 1/4 what a premium unit costs. You can buy 3 or more for one of the premium brands.
I have 3 mr Cools and i love them ,my home traditional split system is on its 4th year its the best 3500 bucks ive ever spent
I want one in the garage in Phoenix. Do you recommend I just hire a pro to install it? How much is an install?
Thanks for your time and expertise. It helps a lot. Thank you
You’re welcome sir!
Why is this dude yelling at me!!
So which hvac brands suck?
Im sure its not
mitsubishi
Carrier
Lg
Pioneer
Which are some i can order online
Hello Sir, I have a question for you. I bought one of those off brands mini split with heatpump. TuttoKool 12K BTU 20 Seer 115v system. I installed it and it worked great. then after a thunderstorm, it quit working. After the vendor and manufacture (China) refused to answer any calls or emails, I had a local air company check it out and the confirmed it was the PCB not sending power back outside. I sent the board to Precision Electric for repair. They sent it back saying the power was good, the logic was missing. Is there a way to reprogram this? Will a universal PCB for mini splits work? the system is just now working due to no control. Hate to throw it out. Any suggestions?
Homeowners insurance should cover it.
@@anthonyspadafora1384 homeowners insurance doesn't cover air conditioning units that break you have to have a home warranty for that that's what you're probably thinking
@@colbraddock9913 Report it after a lightning storm then it is covered. lol
They sell universal boards and remotes that can replace the oem, wont be exact but will work
What use is a 12 year warranty when the gas used is no longer available. You can be sure the current gas available won’t be compatible with your old unit.
I work for a huge company we install Lennox and I have been installing there mini splits for a while and the other day I went to a install and it was a 5 head system that was installed by some guy installed that the home owner found somewhere and they had the system work for a couple hours and never heard from the installer again cost the home owner over 20 grand every head had condensation drains back pitched and kinks in the line sets we needed up ripping everything out and installing all new cause we can’t guarantee that after all the heads and lineset get reinstalled and recharge the whole system cause when I got there the system was empty that it would even work so he paid for a complete new system. That’s why I tell everyone don’t do it your self or hire someone that works out of the back of there car with no insurance or license cause the money you save will cost you a lot more in the long run. I have so many people that want me to install there equipment they bought cheap somewhere and I did for a while payment up front with papers signed saying I am not responsible for the equipment if it does not work and no matter what happens someone will always try and blame the installer to help themselves out. Meanwhile I have been to so many classes to learn to repair mini splits from many of the top companies and I have installed close to 600 mini split systems I know how to do my job and I take pride in it I don’t rush or skip on anything cause I would not want that done at my house I recommend that customer look at what the warranty is. The company installing the equipment and reviews for the company before agreeing on a job
Hi there, I have enough money to eyeball on a minisplit brand between Panasonic Climapure system or a Mitsubishi H2i system. I can't find much info out there comparing these 2 but one article states panasonic offer a 7 year warranty where as mitsubishi offer a 1 year warranty. I do like the panasonic air quality stuff but then again mitsubishi can operate in colder climate. well i'm leaning towards the panasonic as i'm buying it mainly cuz there is a freaking heat wave in california right now and also we just got sick and so air quality is quite a bonus to me here so i'm wondering if panasonics air quality might be a gimmick or not.. but colder days i'd like to have that mitsubishi h2i system functioning also the mitsubishi does have air quality protection layer as well but idk if it's as good or just as good as panasonics air quality stuff where it can override that and reap the benefit of the h2i system. what do you think? or is there a better brand? I'm trying to find Daikin atmosphera but can't find anything selling online at all, so that's out of the picture. any help appreciated. btw we live in an apartment and the ac system in here is all kinds of fked up, so i'm planning to do a custom setup on a mini split outside of a window as we live in 2nd floor. the owner is fine with nails and attachments onto the apartment as well, no hoa's.
edit: on 2nd read, mitsubishi actually provide 10 year warranty not 1.
My Mitsubishi heat pump and air handlers have a three year warranty. The Panasonic and Mitsubishi units are extremely similar to one another and well built.
I see a lot of praise for the FUJITSU brand, people have had units for more than 10 years
Ok I am in the area you bring up, and I need to cool and heat a minibus
- 15ft passenger area,
- 8ft wide,
- 7+ft tall,
- and the short cabin 3ft.
Purring on low:
- what size will do that?
-What brand?(the brand you mentioned? can't remember, never heard of it.)
-What SEER?
-What HSPS?
-Voltage, 120V. (solar system restriction) can go 240V if it is really worth the efficiency trade
They say SEER 19 to 25 is all that is needed, as over that(38+) it takes 20 to 40 years to recup the higher cost) + given the humidity the SEER goes out of the window.
Gotta have the remote control or IOS app - wifi / bluetooth
Well, I appreciate your input, it certainly doesn’t help me down in Florida, I thought you were going to offer up some products names that were no good that you discovered in your day in and day out installation of units. Are there any that should be steered away from?
Part of the reason I didn’t do that is because that video would be 48 hours long. It would be easier to stick to talking about brands that are more common. The easiest way to know if a brand is half decent is finding a good contractor and going with the brand they recommend.
Down to what temperature will Daikin ductless produce heat?
VRV life is -13F
@@NewHVACGuide is that at a reduced efficiency, a percentage less, or is it at 100% efficiency?
Hey Joshua - on the Daikin systems, do you recommend running the fan in the auto position for maximum efficiency whether the unit is in cool or heat mode? I just had one of these systems installed in an in-law site above my garage that isn't used daily. Thanks!
Typically yes. Congrats on the new unit!
Maximum efficiency yes, for auto.
But in extreme cold weather, max fan speed is better to push the air further, so the air is more uniform across the house.
It will be louder yes.
I just got a premium levella mini split I’m going to put it in my single car garage so my dogs have cold air. Haven’t installed it yet, what do you think of that system?
I cleaned my filter and now it’s leaking water down the wall.Any idea of potential reasons? Thanks from Texas.
Clear that drain!
@@NewHVACGuide lol. I’m assuming blow something into the outside pipe or get a vacuum. It’s a midea and damn thing doesn’t open. Filters just came out of the top
@@danwesson1934 shop vac!
I don't want a duckless system. I like ducks.
Can you do a video about the Mini Splits that run on solar and wall power as hybrids?
I'll add it to the list 🙂
Appreciate this content and relevant to our situation here in PA trying decide between one contractor offering Mitsubishi and another LG both with relatively the same 12 yr warranty. Without saying no comment (please), do you have a preference?
Which contractor do you like better?
I badly wanted to say “no comment” 😉
LG has been known for good customer service.
good stuff! i sell air temp and just recently noticed they only offer 7 year warrenty on their mini splits but daikin has a 10 year parts and compressor. im going to daikin now for mini splits for sure. also dickin you don't have to remove the evap coil to replace the fan motor double win
Nice. Where are you located? Air temp used to be in my market but the supplier switched brands.
@@NewHVACGuide norfolk va not too far from you but i rather be where your at lol
Oh cool. RE Michel stopped pushing the Airtemps up here. Lots of issues. You’re happy with em?
@@NewHVACGuide stopped carrying just the mini splits or everything? been installing nothing but airtemp for 10 years strong never had a defective new system happy to say or even replaced anything on new systems to date.. i have seen some guys at the counter complaining about a leaky coil but assuming they must be doing something wrong. you know what they say "its all about the install"
@@zandizarandi awesome
so do you guys recommend the Amazon pioneer mini split system? I have a 3 car garage insulated, garage doors insulated as well, about 650sq ft with 8ft ceilings. I live in Clovis California. I was told an 180000 BTU mini split will work fine in my insulated area, or will I need more btus??. by the way do they required a license guy to install it so they can make their warranty valid just in case something happens to mini split?
I bought a 9k Mitsubishi heat pump online and installed it myself. I thought I'd do all the hard stuff and have someone come out to pressure test and evacuate the system. Turns out that no-one was interested in helping. So I bought about 1500 bucks worth of tools and made it go, at half the cost that I was quoted by a contractor.
It lasted 3 years before it developed a leak in the indoor coil. Since I had no warranty, I priced a coil. It was $400, so instead I ordered a replacement indoor unit for $600. Along with another $1500 for different tools. And a certificate that said I could play. That was 2 years ago. Though I could have bought a unit with a warranty and had it installed for less, now I have the proper equipment to work on it if I have to.
So. You say it’s not the same stuff. My brother, who has been in HVAC for 45 years told me it is the same. Do I believe a random guy on the internet or my brother?
specially when you're trying to sell something lol
I want a minisplit in my garage and was really wanting a Mitsubishis The installer that is redoing our entire house with Trane hurnaces/ACs units (two each) said they install Daikin. So that's good to know. I wasn't aware of that brand and just figured it was a generic one. Side question for a garage of 24x24 what size Daikin would you recommend? I'd like AC in the summer and heat in the winter.
Hi
Can you tell what the gauge is supposed to read on my Bosh 5000 mini split....when it's off and does it go higher when it runs....Thanks Rick.........
Thanks, very informative stuff. I'm looking at installing a mini split on my mobile kitchen. I keep circling back to Cooper and Hunter with a 7year compressor and 5 year parts warranty. Have you seen these in your field/area or worked with them. Thoughts on the product if you have any? I'm looking at a 12k unit regardless of brand-the unit is only 150 sqft. but has a full kitchen with a large woodfired oven as well-it was reaching temps of 109F last October. I'm in Northern NH so its pretty chilly that time of year here so cant imagine what it will be like in July etc.. So thinking I need to over size the unit to meet the needs of a very hot location?! Looking forward to some knowledgeable input if you can weigh in on the brand I'm considering as well as the sizing for a hot mobile kitchen with a 150sqft area. Thanks so much, Shaun
Cooper and Hunter is a Gree product. Not many here. The big 3 across the nation are Daikin, Mitsubishi, and Fujitsu.
As far as for sizing, I’d defer to your local pro 🙂
Yeah same. Looking to see if mini split on our food truck in vegas would be better. Want to save some watts for generator instead of out loud rooftop.
gree owns daikin.
What do you think of Cooper and Hunter brand?
What is your opinion on the best mini split for a large two car garage?
Best Ductless Mini Split Brand! - How to narrow down.
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Thanks for the info on these units
Sony guts...lol
Hey, what's a good price for an installed ductless system? 3 unit, 1 2 ton, and 2 1 ton units.
Getting some quotes.
I understand there can be some differences, but a range would be helpful?
Thanks for the tips and info. My only suggestion is to be quicker and concise.
i got a?????? i got a premium mini split i stalled about a year a go and i think the reversing valve is bad should i save my money and fix this if i can find some to service it of buy a new unit
Do you know anything about a Norton mini split unit?
You should have called this video an ad for your company. No details on what to even look for when buying one.
Sorry pal
What do u think of pioneer mini splits?
We don't have a lot of them here. There's no good supplier. They're made by Parker Davis and has an okay reputation. Daikin, Fujitsu, and Mitsubishi have the best reputations.
I installed a pioneer minisplit on the back of my van (makeshift rv) only used 6 months so far but it runs great. Very very quiet, cools nice in fl. I run it off batteries through inverter with solar. I take my van down dirt roads, bumpy roads and 9000 miles of highway miles bouncing around. Still runs great. How long will it last? Beats me. It was there inverter ++ 21.5 seer one. Just under 1k. I paid to have the lines torqued, vacuumed and pressure tested. I installed the rest.
I added a pioneer ms to my 12x14 office space off the back room of my house and I'm pleased with it.
My Pioneer 18k WYS mini split had a failed compressor at just over a year old, they refused to do anything under warranty even though its supposed to have a 5 year warranty.
Well it seems it is you who offers the labor warranty for 12 years. Assuming you include that in your price somewhere ;)
I don't think that's much of a secret. However, our price is still competitive including things like this in the price🙂
What do you know about Blueridge and/or Senville?
@HVAC Guide For Homeowners Considering a Daikin 19 Series for a 3-sided glass elevated sunroom. 4th side is the brick exterior wall and was suggested to be the install site for the head unit. Another party warned about hanging the head unit on a home's brick exterior commenting about the level and the irregular surface potentially creating water drainage issues. Is this a valid concern being brought up or simply a scare tactic? And if valid, would a floor console-style unit be an alternative?
I’m not sure what they’re talking about. It may be a valid concern? However, we’ve installed multiple units on brick and all kinds of materials. If installed correctly, you should be happy
Interesting I have now seen a MrCool video that shows you how to replace the control board. Are they saying their units fail? Read their warranty and they have so many restrictions they will never have to honor.
Awesome video in my case it's my bedroom management installed an air ductless AC PTAC unit.I want to know if an Booster Fan be used in an 10"x6" opening? I just want air flow into my bedroom.Its def not connected to an HVAC anymore since they pulled out the air duct system.Any help will be appreciated thank you in advance.
You should be able to make some type of fan work even if the opening is a different size and you have to do some fabrication. Good luck!!!
@@NewHVACGuide thank you I’ll try the “vent booster” since it plugs directly into a wall outlet for power…Home Depot rep said it wouldn’t work but not sure if i believe him or not
I know LESS about ductless minisplits now Thanks
Hi!
Great video!, I'm thinking about buying the PAC 4600 and I wonder if you have any thoughts about that unit?
I've asked the costumer support about warranty for it and I hope that they will respond later today or tomorrow.
Have a great day from Sweden!