1969 Pontiac Grand Prix vs 1965 Buick Skylark Gran Sport | STOCK DRAG RACE
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- 1969 Pontiac Grand Prix drag racing 1965 Buick Skylark Gran Sport. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race. Factory Stock Drag Race.
First car is a 1965 Buick Gran Sport, and the other a 1969 Pontiac Grand Prix. The Grand Prix has a 428 H.O. V8, while the Gran Sport has a 401 V8. The 401 in the Buick was rated 325 horsepower. The V8 in the Grand Prix was rated 390 horsepower. Both cars have 4-speed manual transmissions. Rear gearing in the 1969 Grand Prix is 3.55, and the Buick has a slightly more aggressive 3.90. The Gran Sport is somewhat heavy, weighing-in at 3898 pounds including the driver. The Grand Prix is quite a bit heavier than that, weighing 4304 pounds with the driver included. There were only 598 Gran Sports produced in 1965 with the 4-speed manual transmission, and only 116 428 H.O. 4-speed Grand Prix produced in 1969. Car Life tested a 1969 Grand Prix with a 428 H.O. and a TH400 and it ran 14.1 seconds @ 95.3 mph. Motor Trend tested a '65 Gran Sport with a 2-speed auto and 3.36 rear gears and it ran 16.6 seconds @ 86 mph.
Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race (PSMCDR). FAST Factory Appearing Stock Tire factory stock. Super Car Drag Race.
Remember, both cars participate in the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race series, so please check out their website: www.psmcdr.com
Also make sure you find them out on Facebook.
The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - CR 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
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Who won this one?
Nailhead Buick! 400 special (401) or either a 425.
Going with the Buick, now to watch……
Got the Buick in this one..
If you went back to the more humorous format, we all win.
You left out the wet fart noises with the weight. WTF dude?
A cousin of mine just sent me a link to this - I am the owner/driver of the 69 GP.
As one can see - the car needs a cosmetic restoration - but the educated among you know just how much bodywork costs!
The car is mechanically restored and reliable.
The 99.5 MPH is the fastest ET the car has ever reached in the standing-start quarter mile.
NOTE - many pure-stocker run 3.90s (as my friendly Wisconsin opponent did here) or deeper.
I do street drive the car, so the car as the stock 3.55:1 axle.
My goal - and I am nearly there - with those 3.55 gears is to turn 100 MPH and 13.99. Now I just have to figure out how to get out of the hole better and shift just a tad quicker. My baseline is from a 1969 Car and Driver Magazine test, where in much better air (Eastcoast - probably at Englishtown, NJ) a Royal Bobcat (Royal Pontiac of Royal Oak, MI) "super-tuned" 69 GP with the same 428 HO engine, M-21 4spd (close ratio) and 3.90 gears ran 13.98 at 102.1 MPH.
Thank SO MUCH to Cars and Zebras for posting this!
Top work so far! Just a matter of time. You'll get there!
You definitely got the horses and the torque in that GP. Shes sweet. 428 is no joke.
Sweet car. Try putting on a set of sticky tires on the rear when u go to the track. You'll get there.
Tone - the rules do not allow "sticky tires". The Purestock Drags require period correct bias-ply tires. They can still hook though!
Mann my grandpa had one just like yours same color and all he use to race it in this 1970s out whole family talks about how that would outrun Chevelles firebirds and mustangs back in the day the car is legendary in his hometown you a blessed man to own one of these do not get rid of it it’s my dream to have one one day
Props to whoever ordered these cars with manuals!! Great vid!!!
My GP (that is me in the video) was ordered by Monte Winkler in the Washington DC area. He was a lobbyist for the Avocado industry and his hobby in the 60s was road-racing Alfas. He had a tri-power GTO that he dropped off for service. When he called to ask about the status of his car, the dealer stated, "What car?!?" The GTO was stolen - never seen again. He then ordered the GP you see.
My old man has a 69 G.P. SJ with the 370 horse 428 and that car is the best driving vehicle I've ever driven.
I used to own the same car and I absolutely agree is the best driving car I ever owned!!
@@DSRE535 I had a 69 J with the 400 and I agree, best driving car I ever owned too!!
I can believe that.
I had 2 different 1971 grand prix. Great cars!
Back about 1971, a triple black 428 4 speed Grand Prix pulled into the Chevron where I worked, and a minute later, a second identical Grand Prix followed it in. They were owned by two guys who worked together on the waterfront. Maybe if you buy one, you get the second one half off! I don’t think I ever saw another 4 speed GP.
Damn I wish you should have had a camera with you and took pictures
These are 2 badass cars,I would be overjoyed to own either one of them.
I'm lucky enough to have had a 1965 Buick Gran Sport convertible for my first car. Grew up in the Detroit area. $600.
Awesome! I have 1972 grand prix with a 400 all stock with automatic and I love it! Poncho is the winner!
My dad had one. It was the SSJ. It was actually pretty damn quick too.
@@anthonypesqueira7540 very nice
I had a 70 with the 400 automatic in it. Fastest car I've ever owned.
That right lane is slick..
Well, the Tin Indian nailed the Nail Head. Great racing - especially the last round. I write it every time and mean it - thanks for these! 🌮 🌮
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Pontiac!
Two pretty rare cars. That 428 was also rare. Thumb up.
I learned to drive in a 70 Grand Prix 400/400 posi rearend my dad had. It would lay rubber as long as you kept your foot in it.
I know that’s true as I had a 70 GP with a 455. Talk about a torque monster! Poor tires! Poor wallet…
Kinda surprised to see the outcome on this one considering the weight of the Pontiac. That 428 is definitely getting it done cause the Nailhead is no joke.
With my fat butt in the car, fuel, spare, factory jack - the car weighed 4304 lbs. It is NOT light; it does ride nice, even with the bias-plys.
Not really .both should be way faster. I had a stock 1967 Buick GS 340 automatic..Super Turbine 300 that was faster than both of these, with 150,000 miles. That Grand Prix is a 13.xx car all day. I don't know if the motor needs a refresh but yeah..
@@joez996 curb weight was around 3800 lb.
My first car was a 70 grand prix. 10 years later i bought a 69 grand prix. Love them they were amazing cars. 😎
Awesome , Thanks C&Z
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I have a 1969 GP 4 speed too. :)
400, 428 or 428 HO?
Thanks for sharing these. It is so fun to watch the cars I dreamed about as a kid duking it out. I had some cool cars back in the day. A 1970 Camaro, a 72 Chevelle that I built a motor for, a 70 Cutlass and such. They were so much fun.
Waiting to see a Riviera with the 425 nailhead and dual quads.
Rivieras are not impressive quarter milers, but awesome cruisers 😉
The Buick held its own but there's a reason the engines are called nailheads
I had 69 with an automatic, one of my favorite cars I ever had. Fast !!!😉👍
Love it! Thank you so much for covering this race!
Nice to see some oddball muscle cars on your channel keep up the good work thank you!!!
Nothing oddball about a Pontiac GP 428
@@nealstampley1546 i should have said rare
Wow what a rare Pontiac. Hopefully the original engine is on a stand.
Say what? How is that not the original engine??
Original block, coded WL - now has .040" overbore. 135K miles on the car and engine, but engine was first rebuilt in 1982 with 100K on it, then by me just over 1000 miles ago. I do have aftermarket connecting rods and the engine "noses over" at around 5500 so I don't really spin it too high. I would LOVE to find another 1969 WL coded block, but they only cast 142 of them!
@@joez996 That is one beautiful piece of machinery! Not to mention rare. Hope to see it again.
@@joez996I have a 1969 428 just block and crank code XF what heads and pistons do you suggest I use when I get ready to build it…. It’s going in a 69 Grand Prix…not going to race the car on the track
4300lbs w/driver running 99mph was an unexpected result . Seems pretty respectable for what it is. My grandfather worked at Pontiac from 1926 (first year) till his retirement in 1970 the last stamping die he worked on was the 69 Gran Prix hood, guess he saved the biggest for last. Hoods are absolutely huge on those cars. RIP grandpa. Pontiac motor division Plants #14 and #15. 44years. I was curious what a 428 HO 4-speed would run. Now I know. Great video.
That GS ran pretty quick for a 401 nailhead V8. The 66's and up with the 400's were much more suited for strip work. And of course the 70 and up 455 cars including the famous 455 Stage 1's and there outstanding performance! Beautiful 1965 model though and ran quite well with that nailhead...
Your videos are just awesome, keep up the great work!
Sir, Your videos are just great!!! Reminds me of me at 19!! I’ve already subscribed to your channel some years back. Again, thank you for your videos. They’re very fine!🇺🇸
Both cars are so desirable. Love this vid
thanks for watching 👍
As usual, great video and commentary!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year C and Z!
Great video C&Z.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
Goodday C & Z,
Watched it live, love those big size muscle cars. I love my muscle cars over 4,000 Ibs otherwise it isn't beefy enough for me, & this Poncho fits the bill.
The Poncho had it in the bag all the way.
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Man that Pontiac was sand bagging 1st race,100 mph in a quarter is great for that boat.
Love that Pontiac, looks and all
C&Z, awesome job doing all the finish line clips in slow motion.
That was cool great video
I had a 69 Grand Prix, 428 370HP, Turbo 400. it was burgundy with a black interior. I wish l still had that car today!
Both cool car's and a fun race to watch. The '65 and '66 Buick GS's are my favorite GM car's from that period, and the '69 Grand Prix is much cooler than a Goat, or Chevelle in my opinion.
That wraparound dash cluster 👌
Good races!
I had a 2005 Grand Prix GXP with the LS4. I ran 13.9@99.5 1.8s 60ft (4 spd auto and gear ratios sucked 3.23). This was roughly putting down 350 at the motor and around 280 at the wheels. I put a 3200 stall converter in it but never got to test it at the track.
While some Pontiac "purists" do not classify the 1981 and newer Pontiacs as "true Pontiacs" (I do still consider them as Pontiacs), I rank your GP (and other LS4 powered Grand Prix) as among the fastest STOCK (emphasis on STOCK) Grand Prix in the 1/4 mile. I would like to get to the 13s and it should be possible. The MPH is the same as what you ran so I am close.
@Joe Z I was surprised they didn't put a better transmission in that car. I believe it was the same as in the Supercharged V6. I had to rebuild it twice. If it had a 6 spd trans it would have been faster. 3.23 effective with a 2.92 final. I couldn't get out of 2nd gear before the 1/4 mile mark. I was averaging 14.0 to 14.2.
Great content.👍
In the old days, the Buick 401 was referred to as a "nail valve". The valves bearing resemblance to nails due to their small diameter. The "nail head" moniker seems to have taken over in the last decade or so. Either way, that old 401 was no joke. My dad's 65 Electra had that motor and one time I buried the 120 mph speedo by about 1/2 inch. If the 65 GS cars would have gotten the "switch-pitch" Super Turbine trans (early TH 400) as an option instead of the Powerslide 2 speed, Jan and Dean would have been singing about the Buick.
In my neighborhood they were called "Nailheads" for as long as I can remember. I saw one in a junkyard with my cousin when I was 12, so that was about 1979, and he said, "Look, this is a Buick Nailhead. You can tell by the valve covers." Maybe it was the people you hung out with specifically but I used to see them in hot rod magazines around that time being called Nailheads too and I finally knew what they were talking about thanks to my cousin.
@@1967davethewave I'm 71 years old. I learned how to drive on dad's new 65 Electra. I have a room full of 60s/70s car magazines with plenty of references to the "nail valve" 401/425s. Maybe the "nail head" folks think the heads are held on with nails.
By "Powerslide", I assume you are jokingly referring to the Powerglide transmission. Buick did not use the Powerglide; they used their own Super Turbine 300 transmission with variable pitch torque converter. Other than having only two forward gears, it had nothing in common with the Powerglide. But I agree, it would have been nice if they'd offered the Super Turbine 400 three-speed as an option.
My friendly opponent's car there is an original 4spd car - but it has gone through "several" Muncies. He's owned it since 1978!
@@cdglasser Yes ST300 was all Buick :) It was also a Nail Head :)
Awesome job
Curb weight of a '69 Grand Prix with the 400/Auto is 3715 lbs. 85 pounds heavier than a GTO. I owned one and raced it.
I was thinking this is more in the weight of the 73 to 74 Grand Prix range. I have a 74 Buick Century GS 455 and is 4100, the bumpers are massive.
Great video. Nobody asked but I vote for the PG rated narration (but I’ll still watch either way lol).
Very cool pair of cars!
Great 🏁 race even better content.I like my Buicks but will be very difficult to beat that H O 421 pontiac,my uncle had one back in the day and it kicked some az
I drove a '69 GP model J over 180k miles before I parked it the last time. It was a solid, well-engineered car that was fun to drive. The 400 cu in 10.2:1 compression ratio engine was not a particularly easy thing to start in Minnesota winters.
Huge fan of any of the Skylark GS' from the 60s/early 70s. Thanks for posting!
Wildcat's too! Love my Buicks!
Dang, all these years I thought the Buick had a 445 CI engine? I just learned something. Thanks and thumb up.
Both the Skylark and the Grand Prix are beautiful looking cars.
Wow my dad had a 1969 Grand Prix black 428 automatic it's what I came home from the hospital in it was brandnew.
That big girl can really move. Mom had a 71 GP with a 455. Consistently beat my Dad in a Chicago police squad with a 440. Rode smooth but man that car could get it done.
Love that Grand Prix really awesome cars
Both are beautiful cars
Gotta have more GP's !!!
i bought a 62 grand prix in 1967, it had the 348 hp 389, with the borg warner wide ratio 4 speed and 3.42 rear gears.also had the royal bobcat package which bumped iy up to 376 hp they said. one time i ran it at san fernando raceway in san fernando ca. 13.97 at 99 mph. back then all you needed was a seat belt and a helmet to run. what a great car, wish i still had it.
Where was this raceway located, never heard of it. Grew up sfv
@@gordocarbo it was in the industrial area of san fernando between glenoaks blvd. and foothill blvd, dont know the cross st. look up sfv raceway and alot of info will pop up. it was great.
@@davidmckibbin4440 Used to run off Glenoaks and Peoria in the 80s. Industrial area but not an actual racetrack. Old San Fernando road Under the Balboa overpass
@@gordocarbo i lived in burbank in the 60s and 70s, went to burbank high in the late 60s and friends and i loved sfv raceway. along time ago. i live in arizona now.
@@davidmckibbin4440 Sounds like st racing lingo. That would be old san fernando..we would go up Balboa to the top, hang a left before the bridge, R at the light and park it. Late 80s gangs started showin gup (crack epidemic), saw 2 people on a bike get killed that was it for me.
I used to drive a 65 Buick Skylark with the aluminum V6 and a 2 speed Powerslip with a switch pitch converter. LOL. It would probably be pretty rare today, though.
225 V6 and Buick had the Super Turbine 300. My 67 ran a 18.5 in CA. I had a 70 mile drive up and back to the track.
Like this dude, very intelligent guy
Owned a 69 grand prix with 428..turbo 400..posi trac...loved that car..it was fast.slicks under it..still spun hard.i would do a burnout.for the boys .didn't power brake it..still beet everybody. 50 or 60 feet in first shift out .to secound about 8 to 10 feet more.thats in drive let it shift itself..
I used to have a '68 Bonneville with the 428 H.O. and a Turbo 400. It was a screamer. [Wink.] JMO.
The grand prix is more of stretch gto
Exactly. Just like the Monte Carlo is a stretch Chevelle.
I own a 69 Grand Prix myself, mine is built, xh code 400 punched out .30 over to 406 with a eagle forged roasting assembly, 62 heads that been ported and polished, with a msd ignition, 488 lift cam, hooker headers, Edelbrock performer intake with a holly double pumper, shift kit with 373 gears and I’m telling ya it’s a screamer, it’s hard to keep her between the ditches.
Both did good.
Oh school here, Back in the late eighties, My buddy found a sixty five grand sport, factory hurst package,401, factory 2×4 barrels.
bought it from an original owner 28k miles,1500 bucks.
Hard top same color is the one in this video, Garage kept and clean paint.... Why does this never happen to me??
I love yall old folks
That rite lane is allways slick
PMD FTW!!
There's that guy on bicycle again
My pops had a 72 with a 400. It was very quick.
Looked like the Buick couldn't catch her breath on the big end.
I wish I had another one
Love my 69 Grand Prix SJ
Omigod. The Buick is a ragtop and is still 400lbs lighter than the Poncho. Holy Luxobarge, Batman!
Everybody gangsta till gramps pulls up in the 32’ Ford V8 coupe
Buick no slouch. Should be a race!
Top on Buick fits about like mine. Top well contour on 64 and 65 A body is always a problem. GM fixed it in 66 and 67.
I like either one good cars
Any videos of a 70 monte carlo preferably with the 454?
SS ALSO...
There is one that the Simpson family out of Ontario Canada that has run - but I wish to stress - they have a 71 but it has 4.10:1 gearing. They have not brought that car out for a few years now. If you look for it - it is silver with a black vinyl top and black interior.
Makes me sad owned a 69 428 not the HO but still a beast. One of those cars you wish you kept.
These may have your father's or grandfather's cars but when he wants to, these cars can & have put away many sports cars.
You got it pontiac !
Buick for sure.
Grand Prix for the win baby!!!!!!
Buick is a very nice ride and good looking thou not too powerful. That GP has got to one of only a few equipped the way it is.
1 of 94 with 428 HO and M-20 wide-ratio 4spd.
Grand Prix!!!!!
Not saying that the Gran Prix has a long front end but the fan shroud looked like a rain barrel.
Yes they are basically that! Lol
I had a 70 GP and still have a 71 with the ‘barrel’ fan shroud. Grand Prix’s have one of the longest hoods of any GM car produced.
Go Pancho go!
How did the track elevation go from 700 something in your last video, to 900 something in this one? Did they raise the roadway 200 feet?
It's called, adjusted altitude!
I had to double check the channel name... I swear I heard "It's the Pontiac that takes home the win." An historic moment on C&Z.... camera footage of a Pontiac winning a drag race.
wait for the new video coming in a day or so. You’ll see another Pontiac win.
Winning Pontiacs always cause so much whining and excuses from the pro Chevy crowd.
@@timsharpe3498 Pontiac power, especially the SD's is pretty impressive. Too bad Pontiac stopped SD production in 63 or 64? I can't remember. Imagine a 400 SD with a RAM AIR IV. It would have been a terror. I have several 60's Pontiac blocks in my garage, including a 4-bolt main block out of a B-Body from 69. Really odd find, but really cool.
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I used to have lots of fun gapping the local Big Block Chevy boys with my GTO. After a few good spankings it got to where I couldn’t get them to race me without their nitrous and they kept accusing me of having a hidden nitrous system.
Remember these type cars thumbing through Autotrader back in the 80s.
Yeah when you could buy them for $1500-2500.
Two thicc rides and still no farts?
After seeing this race I am wondering if the 1969 Grand Prix Test car was one of Jim Wanger's special Royal Bobcat prepared cars to have hit a 14.1 with automatic? This 4 speed car I was expecting Quarter of mid- high 13's!
It's all about the driver and traction
I've talked to Jim and his car was a 428 HO with 3.90s but with an AUTOMATIC. He had to return it to Pontiac after his year of using it. I would love to reach 13s (and 100 MPH - very nearly there) but I really like having 3.55s for street and highway driving. The driver (me) can and will do better!
I wish Pontiac made the 428 H.O. for more than just a few years and put them in the Firebird and the GTO! Killer engine but just not used as much as it should've been! Oh well. Thanks again guys!
Yeah a lot of guys in the past used to pull the 428s out of bonnevilles and Catalina’s in junkyards and put them in Gtos and firebirds… a lot of racers used to do it too that’s why they so hard to find now
@@ogphil5600 funny you should say that, I remember back in the 90s, some neighborhood guys put one in their 78 Trans Am ,beefed it up insanely and went drag racing with it. From what they told me they did really well too,she was kick ass fast! Ahh,the good old days.
@@mynameis9057 man you so right
It would have been nice in a 1st gen Firebird with RA IV heads and cam.
@@1972Ventura455ho Friend in HS mid 80s had a 68 bird with a nasty built 428 T400 3k stall and 4.10s. Car was nuts!
Beautiful day in tater land
Should be Buick, but with optimom tuning and some light modification, these cars can be really surprising.
Those 428ci Pontiacs shouldn't be racing a 401 Buick! 428 is a champion in nascar!
I think you’re confusing the 430/455 BBB with the Nailhead slug this Buick had under the hood.
An engine I know no history on. 428 H.O Pontiac if it moved that big iron that well just think if a firebird or gto would of done with that or the 421 monsters available. I'm sure some dealers had this thought too
I owned a blue 70 455 SJ 4 speed 390 gear it was a total sleeper !!! Second owner ?
Nailhead performed pretty good. That 428ho gp was pretty tired ( so was the driver lol ) sell it to someone who knows how to drive, launch, shift and tune properly.
WRong on all counts. Owner posts here a number of times. Sure he knows this car better than anyone on YT
That is a 1970 Grand Prix unless somebody switched out the headlight clip. I have a gold one just like it. The 1969 game with one headlight on both sides. The 1970s came with two headlights on each side. The 1971 came out with one headlight on each side and a trunk that mimiced the hood
Nope 2 headlights for 69 and 70 one headlight for 71 and up. Personally I like the nose piece of the 71 better than 69.
Nailhead baby! 425 is king!