The Voice: Four Myths | John Anderson
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- John outlines why Australians should consider voting NO to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice to Parliament.
John and many others are unconvinced that the Voice will achieve lasting, serious change. In fact, John suggests the Voice will actively harm Indigenous outcomes, fostering division and cynicism rather than unity. Its politics will distract from the very practical challenges of closing the gaps in health, education, domestic violence, substance abuse, employment, and income.
You can find one of John's opinion pieces in The Australian here: www.theaustral...
#voice #australia #politics #thevoice #voicetoparliament
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On the basis of principle alone, Australia and Australians must never be separated by race.
Why is it the least indigenous of the indigenous population… are the ones that are pushing for this the most?! #boxtickers
@@lukeclifton4392 $$$$$'s.
@@janeblogs324They don’t need to bow down. They can play by the rules, and achieve what ever they require, just like any other community group.
This truth is very inconvenient.
Nazis look for the slightest clue of Jewishness in the features of others around them and appropriately label them, altering their behaviour after identifying them.
Your observation is based on the same principle.
Your conclusions are essentially racist.
The Voice is a poorly researched proposal promoted by a poorly informed government . Labor's plainly deceptive 'explanations' of the Voice is an insult to the Australian people and deserves to be roundly rejected.
What about the proposal has been poorly researched? How is the government poorly informed? More to, if they are misinformed, how can they be deceptive at the same time? They'd just be regular old wrong.
It disrespects all Aboriginal tribes. In my perspective, if they don't maintain a tribal, nomadic way of life with deep-rooted cultural connections, then they cannot be considered as Aboriginal. This is solely about giving power to indoctrinated individuals.
Albo's much vaunted 1 page Gettysburg address that he stares at daily turns out to be effectively CLASSIFIED. Peta Credlin had to pay money and use FOI to obtain a copy ! WHY ? And then it turns out to be 26 pages. Why the massive deception ? End of a government coming. Vote NO
@@waynemartin5247I agree
@@waynemartin5247did I just teleport back to the 1890s? Let me guess dna tests are the answer. What’s the test for Australian purity then?
I'm with you John, 100%. It's an enormous shame and a pity that you are not representative in our Federal Parliament. Our entire nation would be better off with people of honesty and integrity like yourself. More strength to your cause.
I am concerned for racist based policy, so will vote NO.
Vote no is a vote for anti racism.
@jackrussell3084 vote yes to new Zealand co government
John has forgotten that Labor committed to the Uluru statement of the heart years ago. It was & now is Labor policy. Labor took the Uluru statement from the heart to the Australian people at last years election. Proof of Labor’s commitment is on TH-cam, even Linda Burney is on TH-cam saying it. Want the videos of proof just ask me, happy to post.
Thank you for reminding me of Labors commitment to truth and reconciliation midnight.
Well done that boy there!
Indigenous have cared gor country for 60,000 yrs. They know more than dumb politicians.
Thanks for articulating this so eloquently. I am from a migrant family and I pay my taxes and volunteer for my country, and I feel I should be just as Australian as anyone else. This voice divides us and creates different classes of citizens.
You are as Australian as anyone else. John just likes to push propaganda that fearmongers instead of actually talking about the facts. He claims changing the constitution will cause the race disparity to be eternal, as if it will never change. Guess what? You can change constitution! That’s exactly what we are bloody talking about with the voice: changing the constitution. Get a grip. Stop listening to racebaiters and start living in the real world
Mate I’m an Aborignal-Australian and I work full time and pay taxes too. I love this country but have seen lots of discrimination towards my people. We were here first and deserve recognition in the constitution as such. It’s people like you that are scared and full of hate that hold my people back from being the next we can be. Shame on you for making this about race and hate. Aboriginal-Australians love this country I love this country and I’m just sick of seeing most of my people be vilified by nine heads like you who don’t understand how badly your racism effects us. Shame on you.
Well said. You shouldn't have to feel this way. According to our constitution in it's current form, you are just as Australian as the next person and have exactly the same rights and privileges! To be Australian in my opinion isn't just about rights, it's also a feeling of belonging and acceptance. If immigrants come here and decide to call Australia home, then that's exactly what it should be, a home where you feel safe and accepted. Unfortunately there is no perfect system. Some immigrants refuse to accept our culture, get jobs or assimilate into the community. Some Australians refuse to accept immigrants into the community too. Fortunately for the vast majority these two issues are relatively small. The voice will, however forever introduce a racial division within our country. I acknowledge that atrocities were committed in the past, but these should be taken up with the British monarchy that allowed them! Convicts and settlers didn't start this mess and to some degree were just as oppressed by the system. Why should we be forced to feel guilty for something we never took part in?
Australia should be proud of it's multicultural heritage. We have many groups of migrants and refugees who brought additional skills and culture that enhanced our country. These should be celebrated, not swept under the carpet! South Africa is a good example of where this could lead. Racism goes both ways. The voice is totally racist. It will permanently divide Australia's by their skin colour, cause the divide to get worse and cause resentment and financial hardship. As a democratic nation we should only accept solutions that enhance equality, rather than division. As this video clearly states, more money is spent on aboriginal people than any other multicultural class in this country. That in itself is racist. The problem is due to too many layers of bureaucracy absorbing the funding, with no checks and balances! If they aren't performing the function they were created for, then they either fix the issues or remove these departments. Accountability will solve many of the problems. Sir Thomas Playford was South Australia's longest serving premier. He had a tiny staff compared to now, caught public transport to save taxpayers money and ran the state like a clock! Current politicians should take a good look back at this, then look into the mirror!
We are not all Australian, there as been a class devide in this country since settlement, do your really think you are equal to the top end of town, come on think about it.
Communist spotted @@williamgilbert3686
The best statement that I have heard about the voice. It should be broadcast as the main statement for the No Vote.
As a self identifying aboriginal, I'll vote No!
Albo is a Fabian - socialist free Mayson. Not a secret society but a discreet one. Not to be trusted
Well done brother
How do you know he's not transgender?
@@user-ul9dv2iv9s : Welcome to TH-cam @user, new yesterday, lots of new "@user"s lately, many hundreds indeed.
Good on you mate!
It's a Trojan Horse. #VoteNo
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Precisely. We ought to be very wary of what comes afterwards!
Created by Thomas Mayor and his comrades
@@MA-nm2tv You can be almost sure that if the Voice were to be voted in that Mayor would be one of its representatives to demand everything but the kitchen sink from the government. The man is a radical who is frothing at the mouth for the opportunity to punish anyone who isn't Aboriginal and granting Aboriginals everything they want.
That's what I was thinking. Nefarious ideas from a woke govt
I want the “I am, you are, we are Australian” model, not the “everybody is Australian but some are more Australian than others” model.
it’s not based on race. It’s based on who was on this land first. There’s a difference. They are like me, Australian. The voice is how they believe they can best help their future generations and end the cycle of neglect. It might help, it might not but they are my brothers and sisters and I support them in trying. This is why I’m voting yes.
it is 100% based on race its giving an exclusive voice to a certain race@@Nylandersaraus1
@@pimpspongebob3674 or is it giving it to the first occupants of Australia. It’s always a racial thing to you guys. Dutton really loaded you up with talking points that align with your bias didn’t he 😉
the first occupants of australia, meaning aboriginals meaning a specific race of people, can you not grasp that?@@Nylandersaraus1
@@pimpspongebob3674 man do I need to spell it out letter by letter for you to get it. If the difference between indigenous and non-indigenous is race tell me what the non-indigenous race is? The thing that make you indigenous or non-indigenous relates to your ancestors living in Australia pre 1788. That you instantly see this as race says more about you
John. Why are people like you not running our country. We have so many extremely capable people like you with integrity, with great leadership abilities, who are sitting on the sidelines, and who would bring Australians together.
I think because such people would be ashamed to be classed as a politician.
Thanks for this and very well said, I totally agree the Voice is such a wrong approach and Labor is deceiving all of us. Vote No.
And themselves too.
I have spent whole weekend trying to understand the basis for it, from practical and analytical perspective. It is all emotions and zero concrete foundation how the initiative is going to benefit the country.
I am concerned for racist based policy, so will vote NO.
A vote for no is a vote for anti-racism.
Australia is a racist based country it's a white ethnocracy the premise that White Australian are benevolence towards the Aboriginals is laughable 😅
Not that easy
It’s a bit more complex than that buddy
I'm mainly voting no because Albanese will not answer the important questions.
No way I'm voting for a blank cheque. Especially not when it comes to the Constitution.
@@lesfox2010 I found the voice.gov.au website very useful. It contains lots of information including the amendment text and advisory reports on it
Im voting NO to this racist proposal, and I'll never vote Labor again....EVER.
100% ❤
Love the lyrics Paul.
So is that the name of the song.
EVER.
Nice ring to it.
Love the band.
@@user-ul9dv2iv9s yes...that the name of the song and the tune.....but you can dance to any tune you choose....another great onris "i hate racist people "
Me too
Unfortunately, the two part duopoly has played us for decades, the recent video below explains that EVERY climate and energy policy was started by the LNP (Howard/Anderson) and they laid the foundations for Rudd and others to turbo charge it.
The LNP introduced the:
• Renewable Energy Target which is destroying Australia electricity supply.
• The National Electricity Market, a bureaucratic racket.
• Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) AKA CO2 tax as policy, NOT the Labor Party.
• Complied with (not signed) the 1997 UN Kyoto Protocol which stole the farmers rights to use their property without compensation as per our Constitution under S51 Clause 31, to get around that the LNP did a deal with State Premiers to bring in Native Vegetation Protection Legislation.
• John Howard brought in the Welcome to Country/Land Acknowledgement in 2007, it's happened in the US, Canada & NZ. It's part of an international land grab agenda; for the transnational globalist dystopian corporatocracy where you'll own nothing & you'll be happy.
• Safe Guard Mechanism introduced by Turdbull and Hunt in 2015, the basis for a CO2 tax GLOBALLY.
• Howard and Costello played key roles behind the sellout of The Commonwealth Bank of Australia.
o www.bitchute.com/video/X8w56QHU3qrN/
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Vote NO
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Australians should not be separated by race. Well spoken and easy to understand vote No.
3,278 Aboriginal corporations
• 243 Native title bodies
• 48 Land councils
• 35 Regional councils
• 122+ Aboriginal agencies
• 3 Advisory bodies
• 145 Health Organisations
• 11 Indigenous Federal MPs
• 12 Culturally important Indigenous days
• Taxpayers give $33 BILLION annually for 984,000 people (3.8% of the population)
• Expenditure per person in 2012-13 was $43,449 on Indigenous Australian compare to $20,900 on other Australians a ratio of 2.08 to 1 and increase from 1.95 in 2009. Australian taxpayers spend at least $100 million a day on direct support for Indigenous Australians every year or $39.5 billion of direct government expenditure every single year.
The figures are based on the 2017 Indigenous Expenditure Report produced by the Productivity Commission. Source: Professor Matthew Bennett, spokesman for the Sovereign Court of International Justice (SCIJ) and International Barrister with a 25+ year legal career and an expert on international law.
I beg your pardon, fellow Australian. I have a question and I would appreciate a answer if you can provide one, although it is not expected or obligated. Doing the math in my head $1m per day would equal $365 per annum. I am confused as to were the amount of $39.5b per annum was derived. Forgive this minor intrusion, I do not wish to cause offence. This question is entirely related to mathematics. You may, of course, ignore this missive if it takes to great a burden on your time. I thank you in advance for possibly reading this and wish you a peaceful time. Australian to Australian, cheers and have a good one.
@@amorphoussolid8512you need to re-read this post
One Country ... One People ... VOTE NO TO RACISM !
by voting yes
@@NathanCroucher If you want to enshrine racism into the constitution
@@NathanCroucher explain how voting for a system of government that treats people differently based on their ethnicity is voting no to racism. You’re blinded by tribalism.
Racism us already enshrined in the constitution.
@@andrewmiller6051 im not in a tribe, i just go by what the experts say. Im also not an extremist who leaps to buzz words like RASISM AHHH.
A simple voice is all it is, for the people who where here first who die ten years earlier than we do and are more likely to end up in prison.
Dont have to do what they say just have to listen. Simples hommie.
John Anderson, a very brilliant speech that I am sure that most Australians would agree with. We must vote NO to what will bring down our great country instead of unification. We are all Australian, no matter where you come from or your colour. There is no us and them and never will be if we vote NO to this divisive referendum proposed by the Labor govt.
As the beloved song soothes us,
We are one
But we are many ...
All singing with one voice,
Or was that One Nation,
Blah blah blah blah.
@@user-ul9dv2iv9s : Welcome to TH-cam @user, new yesterday, lots of new "@user"s lately, many hundreds indeed.
Anderson another LNPer. Racist,sexist and lgbt hating. Stick him back in the 50s. A living fossil.
Absolutely, I totally support an imperialistic leader that is 100% willing to commit genocide ~ NO
Give it a rest John.
@@hitreset0291sounds like your speaking out of your arse. You wouldn't know an imperialist if there's one in front of you. Your just another lefty shill. 😂😂😂
I've just forwarded this link to everyone of my contacts, concise, not based on the vibe and enlightening. Thank you John.
I bet they love the guy on their contacts list that sends them all these links too 😂
@@Nylandersaraus1 actually they wonder what has happened when I stop lol. I get stuff sent to me by them and some of it I disagree with but through respectful communication we are all still friends.
Thank you, John Anderson, for this brilliant commentary on the voice campaign. I hope this video gets shared far and wide
Vote No Australia
John, I have traditionally been a Labor voter, however, I have to agree with your analysis on the Voice. I think we need to find better ways to bridge the gap of disadvantage... the billions of dollars seemingly being wasted could just have been paid to every indigenous person a universal basic income. The Voice won't fix anything but likely lead to a divided nation.
An ADVISORY BOARD with no legislative power will hardly "lead to a divided nation".
Be a little less dramatic ...being the ONLY European colony with no recognition or treaty WILL
Logic before emotion please
@@foraustralia2558 Fair point… I’m still uncomfortable in having race enshrined in the constitution and what the implications may be regarding sovereignty. I understand that it’s intended as a mark of respect… a gesture of decency to indigenous people who have been treated so badly in the past.
@@GlowingTubethe traditional owners live on their land, but the land councils have not distributed and handled funds properly... the gap that needs to be closed is actually between the activist class of aboriginals and those living in remote communities... I could say that my ancestors were treated badly by the communist revolution less than 80 yrs ago... called the weeds of Europe and to be exterminated ... yes and I'm white... so happened to all people no matter what skin colour...
Thank you John you have given us the truth
@@GlowingTube it’s not based on race. It’s based on who was on this land first. There’s a difference. They are like me, Australian. The voice is how they believe they can best help their future generations and end the cycle of neglect. It might help, it might not but they are my brothers and sisters and I support them in trying. This is why I’m voting yes.
Spot on John
One person
One vote
One representation.
It can’t get fairer than that.
And a multicultural society will only thrive while everyone is treaded the same under the laws of the land.
Except for the fact that it has never been like that and without the voice racism will continue.
Just look at these disgusting comments.
This is why it is needed
I mean based on the fact that indigenous communities make up 27% of national prisons despite only being about 3% of the population would indicate this isn’t true but go off
@@pastorofmuppets8834 That sounds like a threat.
@@LostCourage that sounds like you're projecting
@@pastorofmuppets8834this has absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with giving the gov more power to destroy whatever good is left in this country. The current Constitution is the only thing that gives protection to the people. With Australian Labour, Liberals & Greens, puppets of the UN WEF OWO being this is to further that process. And take whatever little rights we have left and give it to corrupt psychopaths that want to rule the world in complete tyranny and hand Australia completely over to the UN. Australia is a corporation sold out to the US by these corrupt politicians. The only thing that keeps us safe is our current Constitution, change it & the Aboriginal people will lose rights to this land as will all Australians. Problem is people believe whatever comes out of the idiot box they sit in front of, there’s a reason they call it the idiot box. It’s one big propaganda box and they’re counting on people to gulp down whatever programming they feed their minds with.
Very well said John. You speak for the vast majority of concerned Australians. I couldent agree more that the National Indigenous Australians Agency needs looking into. Australia needs Meritocracy and competency for its leaders, not diversity and inclusiveness.
Is any similar issues with new Zealand current push for CO-Governance
John has forgotten that Labor committed to the Uluru statement of the heart years ago. It was & now is Labor policy. Labor took the Uluru statement from the heart to the Australian people at last years election. Proof of Labor’s commitment is on TH-cam, even Linda Burney is on TH-cam saying it. Want the videos of proof just ask me, happy to post.
"Meritocracy and competency" That sounds a bit commy to me, this is a democracy mate where the best talkers or funded make it to the top. You want a merit based system move to china.
@@NathanCroucher ''Commy''????. I think you should learn what meritocracy and competency means; especially in this context, and used against diversity & inclusiveness.
@@daniellebcooper7160 In the context of leaders? What kind of leaders? Elected or appointed?
We hear about truth telling.......... here it is. Well spoken.
Yes. It may not be the truth that they want, though.
John Anderson is greatly missed from Australian politics.
Albanese has lied not once but several times in public and in the Parliament in relation to the Uluru Statement. He has said it is 1 A4 page long and takes a couple of minutes to read. It is actually 26 pages long and it is that what is included in the other 25 pages that worries me.
It definitely is just one page long. You can read it online many places.
He habitually lies about the No camp. Claiming they are against constitutional recognition of Aboriginal people, when in fact he is completely aware that both major parties support that. A majority of Australians support that. He lies by omitting the second half of the referendum question "The Voice" of which the No camp is against.
Thank you John. The parliament is missing a statesman.
Indeed
Nah he spins lies as good as any other. We can do without. Someone needs to challenge him on the misrepresention of the Stanner quote.
Coherent, logical, factual and sincere truth telling...what a smart bloke...I applaud this man.
No its not. He continuously misrepresents and obfuscates.
Brilliantly expressed, logical , historically compact and compassionate
but just an opinion
@@gleeeshee It seems someone talks rationally and it is regarded as opinion. But an insane conceit by a corporate communist govt is fact, and essential. The Voice is a set up by the World Ec Forum to get its reps into an Executive Govt, using the black as a trojan Horse. Albanese as soon as he was sworn in, went directly to the WEF and was told what his agenda was. Move quickly, get the Voice across the line, and then they can steer all laws. From parking fines, property etc. The new censorship laws are the preparation. They want to sell a Voice but is taking ours. They are using a Democracy to bring in Communism. John Anderson gets it. He has been in the Trenches of Canberra and on the farm. He knows.
the Voice is a distraction from the great game, the WEF "Great Reset" your Government TRAITORS will agree to Bill Gate controlled "WHO Planned-demic Treatgy " Then you can enjoy Climate Change emergency lockdowns to save the planet, and more forced INJECTIONS to save you from their next emergency thingie? The hilarious part about this conspiracy is you won't be able to believe it, because, As Mark Twain said, “It’s Easier to Fool People than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.”
@@gleeeshee as are all words that come from his mouth.
Not backed with fact. Actually disproved by fact, it is a lot of scare campaigns and misinformation.
This is brilliant. It needs to be shared everywhere
Are you serious? It is an unchallenged monologue full of errors. He totally misrepresented Stanners words. He cannot have reasd the same Stanner Essays that I did. Totally disengenuous.
@msbramble176 exactly, it's intentionally dishonest at very best. The idea that 'constitutional experts' have concerns is completely misrepresented. The majority support the voice and even one with a concern is voting yes.
This is the sort of discourse that appears to be sadly lacking in parliamentary exchanges and in large parts of the media, thank you for uploading this video.
The voice comes right before the invoice
You only have to look across the ditch to see how these things take on a life of their own, don't do it mates.
This is what you call real "truth telling"
No it's not. Most Australians these days couldn't handle the truth. But they will whether they like it or not some day.!
@@MichelleWardleyCould you please give me a little more info on what you mean? I can handle the truth, truth conquers
@@MichelleWardleywhen leftist say truth, they mean Gnosis. To add to that, “truth telling” in the Australian context also means CRT in practice / race baiting struggle sessions.
What CROWN do they represent. Do you know what a DELUSION is. What COSTELLO represents. What John in INCAPABLE of seeing. Are you DELUDED?
@@ruvbak When you talk about WINGS of a BIRD instead of FACTS and TRUTH of your CROWN, it demonstrates you have no clue what TRUTH actually is.
WHat occupies the Commonwealth of Australia under the Hague Conventions?
Any clue???????
Why would you BORROW A TRILLION putting your children into FINANCIAL SLAVERY for 100 years.
WHY WOULD THEY PURPOSEFULLY DO THAT TO YOU LIKE THEY ARE DOING IN UKRAINE RIGHT NOW.
Are you asleep to what COSTELLO is. What JOHN FAILS TO SEE.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but at a glance the ALP has been in government in the Northern Territory for 18 out of the last 22 years. In Queensland it’s been something like 19 out of the last 25 years and WA about 14 out of the last 22 years. Is the proposal of the strangely named Voice (sounds like a Channel 9 talent quest show) an admission by the ALP that they haven’t been listening to the Aboriginal population under their care?
Imagine an elitist government body purporting to represent 3.8% of Australia’s population holding the remaining 96.2% of the Australian population hostage.
Excellent work John.
Well said. This needs to be run on prime time.
Mainstream media are complicit with the government. They push the governments propaganda. They don’t tell the truth anymore!
YES but it won't happen
Yes it does need to be run on prime time
What! You can't shut the buggers up, no voters are all over on main stream media..
Endlessly 24 hours.
OMG. The persecution you poor blighters feel you face.
@@librandancer
WELL SAID VERY TRUE RUN THIS ON NATIIONAL PRIME TIME
Thanks John, very well presented video!
I'm worried that the very framing of this referendum will appear to the majority of Australians as a piece of paper that simply says: "Are you racist? Yes/ No" (in this case yes/no is reversed but you get my point)
I’m voting yes and I don’t think that voting no makes you a racist . We live in a democracy and if you want things to stay the same vote no. I want things to get better for aboriginal people because they are my Australia brothers and sisters. They believe listening to them will close the gap, I’ll back them
Had a gut full of being welcomed to my country, this voice is more of it
If you are sick of it, leave.
13 ticks vs one abuse
@@Max-dd7du Hey mate, in fairness, this is a very one-sided comment section. I assure you in other forums people would critique your view more strongly.
That being said I did not mean my reply as abuse, and am genuinely sorry if it came across that way. I do want to push back on your stance, but I meant it as tongue in cheek rather than nasty. If that didn't come across I am sorry.
It did sting, as I was born here, but I much appreciate your apology. Thankyou!
Something similar is happeneing in Ireland, a group has been set up by the government to advise on Constitutional issues and make recomendations. I am concerned that a small group is trying to undermine true democracy in a similar way to what the voice seems to be doing in Australia. My neice just gave birth to a new Australian so I am as concerned for Australia'a future as I am for my country's future, Heaven help us all. God bless your work in this area.
A small group hey.
Nothing to worry about then is there.
Thank you John. Very well researched and presented. This is exactly the kind of truth telling we need now, before voting in a referendum. Vote No is the best way to go and the least divisive.
I’d like to see the parts where he is “well researched” because as someone very engaged in the topic it seams like his only source is sky news with their favourite line “it’s going to divide Australians by race”.
What he is doing is not truth telling it is scare mungering. It is easier to be scared of progress than it is to accept it.
Perfectly explained. This video needs to be widely shared.
This video one of the most civil, unemotional and clear considerations of why the Voice is not a good idea for Australia and why it will not achieve its objectives.
I think Dutton also make a very good speech and didn’t lose his temper like Albo
I would say it won't meet its STATED objectives. What its real objectives are is anyone's guess but it seems to be about a grab for money and power by divide and rule - one of the oldest tricks in the book.
Thanks, John, well said. I think the summary is something like: NO Voters (believe in Agency of Indigenous people and V for Victory) vs YES Voters (non-agency for indigenous people => dependency and V for Victimhood).
Wondering what you’d say about the fact that the Uluru statement is actually 26 pages (not One, as Albo, et.al. have constantly said), and that it involves not just Reparations (!) but a percentage of GNP set aside for the issue. Seems to me that Labor has been disingenuous on this.
Well said John, you articulated exactly how I feel. If this vote goes through it will be a disaster.
Why ??
@@lisaalexander1824 It will add another layer of bureaucracy we don’t need and create a permanent racial divide in our multicultural society.
The voice will not remove any chips from their shoulders. It will just build a greater sense of entitlement.
I reckon there should be a forensic audit and enquiry of the monies paid to aboriginal groups and land councils over many years. Why hasn't all that money improved the circumstances of indigenous communities over the years.
Anthony Albanese and the Labor Party has failed all Australians since being elected, he has done little to better our lives in this resource rich land. In fact he now is in the process to tying our other hand behind our backs. The Politicians love nothing more than a divided nation as to manipulate us easier. Do not put up with this rubbish.
What happened to that Chinese military base that was going to be built in the solomons?? huh? Labor sorted that out in like 2 days.
Pollies hey. Good thing Johnno's not a pollie.
Talk about crackers.
Really?
That is why the Chinese are propping up the police. It is unlikely 'Chinese advice would promote equality of all people in the Solomon's.
Thankyou so much John. Very well researched, produced and spoken.
And a few more observations. The 3.2% of the population number was about 2.5% a Census or two ago. The ABS ackowledges that the growth in the 'Indigenous' population is being largely driven by people newly identifying as Indigenous (not from births to previously identifying Indigenous people). Safe to say, none of these 'new' Indigenous people live in the town camps around Alice and the like. Indigenous people, through Native Title, Land Councils, control over National Parks etc manage over 50% of the land area of the continent. This is hardly anti-reconciliation! In recent times we have had the apology, welcome to country and ackowledgement of past tribal lands have become public meeting staples, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flags are considered to have equal status to the Austarlian flag and so on. None of this suggests any anti-reconciliation movement, but of couorse it's still not enough without the Voice. The sad thing is that none of these virtue signalling changes have actually made a difference to the people who actually need assistance - the point you make John about what has happened to all that money! No, of course, an additional elitist Indigenous identifying body, with the power to comment (advise government) on just about everything, but without any responsibility to deliver anything, will make all the difference. It saddens me really that there is any support for the Voice as it is being promoted - too many people are happy to 'feel good' without actually worrying about whether it will really make any difference.
Things have already gone too far.
There should only be one Australian flag on public buildings and structures.
Race should be kept out of the constitution and all people should be treated equally by law.
Tony, your powers of deduction are a wonder to behold.
So much from so little.
Brilliant comment Tony!!! Couldn't have said it better myself!!
Exactly what I think ,I just couldn’t put it in words like you ,spot on
Your last point about people wanting to vote YES to feel good about themselves without understanding the longer term consequences is really important. The majority of those are the younger voters who like to follow the majority. Those are the people we need to get through to so that they understand how monumental this proposed change to the Constitution is.
Once, the UK house of Lords was based on ancestry (or rather class)
and the Lords themselves, on the basis of ancestry, had two votes, plus the right of veto in the upper house.
Today, the Australian upper house is voted in by ALL Australians. And.the upper house senators do not have two votes.
The Voice, if elected, will be elected by a separate group of people ( two votes) based on race/ancestry as an elite group which provides no access to ALL Australians. Should "pay the rent " be invoked ( in fact it already is to the tune of $30 + billion annually), it will replicate the feudal times of UK where the "lesser classes" ( non-indigenous in the Australian situation) paid rents to the Lordly owners of the land, to work and produce the food that kept the nation functioning. Of course, the Lords did not work.
Quite frightening .
The proposal is for an advisory body, it'd have no power to create, change, veto or strike out legislation.
@@LlywellynOBrien it will certainly have the power to bog down governance through the courts.q
@@PjRjHj Whether true or not, that's irrelevant to what I've said.
as an Australian I, too, am voting "NO". Well stated John. btw. lets not be fooled by the current "yes' data being propagated across by Albanese et al.
Well said John. Vote no people, maintain democracy in this wonderful country of ours.
How would this body undermine democracy?
@@LlywellynOBrien By having an unelected body that can influence federal government decisions.
As far as we know across all matters.
The PM says he “thinks” it will only be matters relating to Indigenous affairs but he falls well short of confirming that.
So in summary we end up with an unelected, decision making body at the head of government that you can only be a part of if you identify with a certain race.
We have no idea the limits of this body’s power and we can never vote against it. Unlike a PM/Party that we’re not happy with i.e they have to stay within the realms of public interest or they’ll lose support. That’s the beauty of democracy, we all get a say when there’s an election. It’s a system that works quite well and we should value it.
@@zsk303 Sorry? I am afraid I don't follow your meaning.
So no democracy in the USA Canada NZ etc... all have far more than the Aboriginals have modestly asked for ...
You clearly dont like the VALUES of the British Commonwealth
gives a specific group of people a say on matters that affect everyone@@LlywellynOBrien
I didn't think we were allowed to discriminate against any person by race and yet this will call them out for their race before anything else.
Not allowed to discriminate?
Sounds a tad unAustralian to me.
it’s not based on race. It’s based on who was on this land first. There’s a difference. They are like me, Australian. The voice is how they believe they can best help their future generations and end the cycle of neglect. It might help, it might not but they are my brothers and sisters and I support them in trying. This is why I’m voting yes.
As an American, I hope and pray this does not pass.
Godspeed Australia 🇦🇺 🙏 🇦🇺
Why is that?
Fully agree. Is this what the Labor Party actually wanted, to divide Australia along racial lines? Two countries, two policies? If so, just tell us Australians the truth. Where does the referendum mention the Makarrata Commission they have already put a budget to, where is the Treaty (setting blame) and where is the Truth (reparations and the payment of a rent from non-indigenous to mob) in any part of the referendum question? We don't want Australia divided on the basis of colour of skin, we are one people, one Nation and one VOICE! Please help to cancel this ridiculous proposal and stop it inflaming racial and political tensions. Please! No more ATSIC's, not again!
We will end up like Europe a woke mess
What a conundrum.
Riddles within riddles.
Scratchees on my headsees.
Oh God no. I've drawn blood!
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Know the feeling. This is what happens when the whole truth is not stated and yet it is so bloody obvious there is more to it, hence all the confusion. Time for honesty and just tell us what you really want to achieve. All I can at the moment is to divide our beautiful country along racial lines, an absolute anathema to all Australians.
Race relations aren't degrading despite recent measures around aboriginal special treatment. They are degrading BECAUSE of those measures.
Without being glib, I think Morgan Freeman really said it best; just stop talking about it, and the 'racism' goes away.
No
Miss you mate. Hope this one gets a wide berth. Hopefully sanity and decency prevails should be easy Aussie's have plenty of both.
I don't miss him mate.
That's why I'm here.
Bathing in righteousness.
Showered by ... Fairness! That's it.
Thank you John for a level headed approach based on fact not emotion. Vote NO.
How is it based on fact? It is scare mungering…
Thank you for this clear and concise explanation.
Lately the issue of the ‘gap’ we are frequently told about came up in conversation. We couldn’t help but state that this gap is most evident in remote Aboriginal communities, that this gap is due to their culture and ways of being not because Australia as a whole is somehow preventing the gap from closing.
The Aboriginal culture is different to western cultures and therefore the gap cannot close no matter what programs and funding Australia provides, if these people prefer and choose their traditional way of life and ways of being.
It’s certainly not wrong, it is their choice to live this way but why are we - non aboriginal Australians being blamed for this gap, being shamed for this gap and held accountable for this gap??
If we can start being honest about this gap in outcomes, then we can be honest in whose responsibility it is to close the gap. Aboriginal people are actually responsible for closing this gap with the rest of Australia there to help them if they want help.
And this may be acheived by providing a forum through which indigenous people are able to express their concerns on political decisions that will affect them and to promote initiatives that will benefit their health, wealth and opportunity, rather than just voting for one of the main stream poltical parties in the hope that their unique needs will be addressed. Indigenous people in all social and cultural contexts will have a voice. This is not divisive racially, (a condition that obviously already exists, judging by the vitriol on social media) but rather a means by which indigenous people can get a fair go, as is our Australian way.
This is an argument of free will vs determinism which is as old as age itself. When you take free will all you have is predeterminism which is a direct reflection of current indigenous communities. You take their culture from them, and force them to assimilate. Break apart families and force indigenous australians to be slaves and servants until the 70s, and now you all wonder what went wrong. Australia has a problem and it is shame. A country too ashamed to admit that actions have consequences.
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Well composed and said. I agree totally. Having grown up in Alice I have watched so many of my indigenous friends be successful in their lives. Very much like Jacintas story.
Which by the way I would like as PM lol.
me too #J Nampijinpa Price for PM. At 42 she is a remarkable Australian. She has many admirable qualities such as John.A.
"so many of my indigenous friends be successful" You realize that is the complete opposite of reality when you take all of them into account? Its like 10 years lower life expectancy, prison etc etc blah blahg
That's right. Minority voice rules.
Or was that majority. Or so so numbers rules?
I don't care just as long as the right side rules.
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Well then, what is your solution to this problem, seeing ATSIC, and now the NIAA, have done absolutely nothing for indigenous Australians.
ATSIC had years, and years to do something positive for indigenous communities, but it ended ignominiously, riddled with corruption and mismanagement of the billions of dollars it received every year from the taxpayers of Australia.
Both parties had agreed it needed to be abolished.
And the NIAA are heading in the same direction.
The voice is not the solution, it’s just going to give less than 1%, of 1%, of the 3.2% of the population of Australia, power over 99.999% of the rest of Australia’s population.
Thomas Mayo the architect of the Uluru statement, and a fervent communist, has stated that he wants to see our whole system be torn down.
And when you see two aboriginal men have an argument over who should be doing a smoking ceremony, (because of the money it pays) in the presence of a Labor minister, and the media, and the minister asking who organised it, and her aides say what a mess, it’s not because I’m racist, it’s because I can see with my own eyes, the division, not just between First Nations people, but the rest of the country it will cause.
I vote NO.
Yes Jacinta for PM
It’s a Trojan Horse! For the sake of anything left that is holy, VOTE NO!
I'm praying.
Lord, send down jesus now.
We be needing saving from these commies.
Odd how all the references are from the Murdoch Press.
Rupert is famous for honesty and supporting democracy around the world.
Tell us all you know about the Voice Peter and what specifically in this video was incorrect.
Or are you just throwing out empty words to pretend to have an argument?
@@andrewmiller6051 Not going into the The Voice, just the source of John's information. A deep and poisonous well. We do not need the Rupe to do to us what he has done to the USA and Britain.
The talking points seem quite familiar don't they. I don't think John is presenting a balanced view here. We all know he's anti voice. I think he's at least anti voice for more intelligent reasons than most. There are a lot of comments on here from people who'll vote for or heap praise on anyone who promotes a no vote no matter the reason
@@drsnapid he's not intending to be balanced, he's promoting the case for a no vote, which is inline with his convictions and his right to do.
In the words of a friend who is indeed indigenous. “We don’t need a voice, we need ears to listen” I stand along side my brother
Exceptionally well said. They want truth telling? Well, this is the truth, however inconvenient it might be to the yes campaign.
No, the aboriginal people want truth telling not yes voters. Truth about what the British did to them.
@Nylandersaraus1 the truth that we already know about you mean, or just an excuse to put people who had nothing to do with it on a guilt trip? We already know terrible and regrettable things were done (by both sides I might add, if we're to be truly truthful), and an apology has already been given (many times over, by one side, given we have a sorry day every year now), but as usual it is never enough for some people.
John, Please Please put this out to the Australian people. Wake them up please.
The answer is VOTE NO
There is no place in our most important legal document for a special body based on racial descent, particularly when the proponents remain silent on full disclosure of all relevant information.
It’s a no from me. We didn’t steal their children. So no To the treaty and no for the voice. How about they tell the truth …….this appears to be happening all over the world so is it a Weffie thing. They have been given plenty of money to close the gap. What have they done with all the money and what has been achieved. I suggest everyone get a copy of their title.
Aren’t there other forums for them to consult? it appears that the elders are the problem, and the different tribes don’t get along.
Why are their kids being fostered out, rather than being looked after, as they say, by their mob, their people and their community.
A lot of Australians have supported the indigenous and other supposed disadvantaged groups. Haven’t these people been given free housing of which a lot have been intentionally burned down?
We are one country and and one nation. Thank John…
Ps all the problems you have mentioned about the indigenous are the same problems that everyday Australians face.
They need to stop going back and blaming us all for these issues that we were not here for.
We need to close the gap, open the door and leaving the past in the past. They are the ones that need to change and stop blaming.all the programs need to be audited and costings checked and investigated.
A royal commission into wealth. Wow.
Thanks John - well said. Poverty and its ongoing effects are evident in both indigenous and non-indigenous communities. #TheVoice is a class issue dressed up as a race issue.
Just like Atsic was
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For me it’s the indigenous communities that are not near the east coast or the cities. All low socioeconomic class living there have opportunities and support available and that shouldn’t stop either. The rural/outback communities are indigenous and they don’t have the same support and opportunities. That’s where the biggest gap is IMO.
And I don’t think the Voice is the answer.
Indigenous Australians already have a "VOICE" to parliament, as do all Australians. It is called your local federal member. If you do not like how your local member is representing you, then vote them out and run for parliament yourself. This is how a democracy works for "ALL" Australians, not just for one particular race.
it’s not based on race. It’s based on who was on this land first. There’s a difference. They are like me, Australian. The voice is how they believe they can best help their future generations and end the cycle of neglect. It might help, it might not but they are my brothers and sisters and I support them in trying. This is why I’m voting yes.
@@Nylandersaraus1permanently separating one group from another on a piece of paper will not help anything. It’s a cultural issue that runs a lot deeper than that.
@@wheres_bears1378 I don’t believe it is separating us, I truly don’t. It see it as us non indigenous Australians actually saying, as a majority, that listening to our first Australians is important. It will bring us together. I believe the super majority of Australians want better outcomes for our indigenous brothers and sisters and I believe this is the way. Everything else has failed this might just work. Maybe I’m to optimistic who knows but I want to live in a hopeful world not a cynical one.
@@Nylandersaraus1 Nobody has ever moved forward by looking backwards. You are right in that all Australians want a better life for Aboriginals, just like we want a better life for anyone who is struggling. The absolute root cause of Aboriginal poverty is that a traditionally hunter gatherer culture can not generate wealth. It is that simple. Those 80% of Aboriginals that have taken on the ways of our modern civilisation are living well. The 20% that are trying to live in their traditional ways are in poverty as there is no money to be made in those ways. It is a sad fact that not one single rural Aboriginal community could last a month without other people's tax dollars supporting them. But it IS a fact. The stone age is over. The hunter gatherers are long gone. We have to move on. We can't do that by trying to turn back the clock to a lifestyle that no Aboriginal lives any more. This is not being racist, it is being truthful. This is truth telling.
@@anordenaryman.7057 you know what I respect your opinion. This is what it’s all about. Not hate but a difference in approach.
I agree life is never going back to pre-colonial times and thinking it will serves no one. My opinion is that everything we have done has mostly failed regarding improving the lives of indigenous people. At least of late I think for the most part everyone has had the best intentions however one thing that hasn’t been tried is taking the advice of indigenous people themselves. I think it’s worth a shot and this is what they are asking for. I cannot say no to this request. Hope this makes sense. But like I said I understand there is no malice or hate behind your answer which feel quite rare with no supporters.
I’ll give you an example I was volunteering on a Yes campaign stall over the weekend. Of the people that confidently said they were voting No, when engaged they most ended by saying something that was either outright racist like “they are all lazy drunks” or untrue like “that want my land”. So you can see it’s refreshing seeing a response like yours.
Exactly well said. I hope the rest of Australia wakes up and see's this.
Whoever is on this man's media team NEEDS A RAISE!!!
So true!
Linda Burney should get his name...
Would love to hear you in conversation people who disagree, For it is lacking these points you raise in this video are spot on.
We are all Australians so vote no .
I want my "independent" voice to our parliament written into our constitution also.
What about the idea that this is a stepping stone to taking away our properties we bought legitimately? Via fees and burdensome levies, like rent for owning a property.
Well said John Anderson. I just wish the majority of Australians would look more deeply, I fear they'll vote yes on 'the vibe' and we'll then have no end of trouble.
The voice opens the door on removing home ownership of all Australians. This is not just to any Australian!!!!!!!
A point that is being overlooked. It is an attack on property rights.
Sounds Australian to me.
Oops, unaustralian. Sorry, unaustralian.
I see it as the thin edge of the wedge to many hidden agenders.
Prove there's a hidden agenda. You're talking through your second pair of cheeks.
You're worried about stuff being taken off you? You should be.
Conservatives in this country want theft enshrined.
They took it off the aborigines.
The Conservatives will take anything they want off you.
Look at the track record.
All aborigines want is some redress.
Have they blown up things with bombs? No.
Have they shot people down willy nilly?
No.
Are they working within the law?
Yes Yes Yes.
Interesting how your accused of racism if you vote no to a racist concept. In my 70 years I've never seen Australia so broken/divided by the proposal of "The Voice"
People really need to give that the word the indifference it deserves with how it is now being used. It is not being used by serious people.
Don't worry it's getting worse. Look at Europe and America. A woke joke
That was Dutton doing. He made a choice to go down the ‘the voice is racist’ path.
it’s not based on race. It’s based on who was on this land first. There’s a difference. They are like me, Australian. The voice is how they believe they can best help their future generations and end the cycle of neglect. It might help, it might not but they are my brothers and sisters and I support them in trying. This is why I’m voting yes.
@@Nylandersaraus1if they're all Australian, why do they need to be separated from other Australians? And why, if it's not racist, does it imply that all aboriginals think the same way?
"It might help, it might not"
This is an INCREDIBLY immature and dangerous response. You are changing the very legal fabric of the country. Every decision will be passed through the voice.
@@Nylandersaraus1 fair point
This 'Voice' movement sounds eerily like the ideas put forth by American CRT advocate, Ibram X. Kendii. For example, he wants a 4th branch of government tasked with revising the other 3 to impose equity quotas and eliminate 'whiteness'. I may have just expressed his ideas poorly, but everything I hear about the Voice movement is like some neo-Marxist Australian academic read Kendii's book and made up an Australian version. The academies have created this, and they are only going to create more like it if this is not nipped in the bud now.
It is the start of a slippery slope. It will turn into an industry that cost hundreds of billions of dollars.
I live in New Zealand and have watched it happen every day for my entire life.
Eysenck and Jensen studied race and IQ in the early twentieth century. Their line of research sheds light upon the problems of the indigenous people.
Race should be kept out of the constitution. Everyone should be treated equally by law.
It's difficult to reply to this... umm.
But not unexpected.
Let's see ...
I'll make it easier for you mate. The comment is as racist, as bigoted as it can get without chucking in the perjorative n word.
Gracious offer would be if PM packed it in
Race based socialism.
We are all equal but some are more equal than others.
If only someone like George Orwell could have warned us!??!?!
The Voice is going to cost us $$$. You can just take them at their word. What do they want? Land back and heritage laws, compensation and reparations, abolishing Australia Day. That’s what a number of Voice leaders have said this is about. They say the Voice is just the “first step”. So believe them. And who do you think will pay for all that? You will, along with every hardworking, taxpaying Aussie.
Thank you John. An important discussion.
hear hear john 👍
Thank you so much John.
You have always been a fair minded, open and very intelligent person. You are calm and thoughtful even when Deputy PM of the Nation facing the rough and tumble politics of Canberra.
I was thinking of contacting Peta Credlin to brief KK & FF of Triggernometry through Douglas Murray and yourself. They could provide some international exposure. More than some of dreadful and inaccurate portrayals as seen on GB news a couple of days ago with an awful Indian-English race hustler .
I am not sure this is a good idea as us Aussies usually don't appreciate outsiders providing commentary unless they are well across our unique and complex situation.
But thank you for providing more depth and oft ignored or facts that simply are omitted by the National broadcaster.
John, you've got to stop putting in these comments under pseudonyms.
It's very bad form.
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What the f,,k is the NIAA spending all those billions of $ on, obviously not on the communities that need it 😡
We are with you John. This voice will be the start of the end for Australia
Well said
Come midnight on referendum day the Prime Minister Mr. Albanese will have to resign and step down for doing “acts of deception” and doing “acts of untruths” before the Australian peoples on or about his referendum proposition to amend the Australian constitution and install a Voice to Parliament.
Mr. Albanese’s letter of resignation to the Governor-General should be complied by him with no less than 26 pages.
Mr. Albanese with his non disclosure of details approach to the Voice to Parliament referendum proposition has treated the Australian peoples with contempt.
It should never be acceptable or appropriate for a Prime Minister of Australia to treat the Australian peoples in the way he has treated all Australians over his Voice to Parliament referendum.
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He won’t resign. Politicians have no shame and he’ll probably blame ‘racism’ for the outcome.
Oh god no.
Please make it stop.
Richard Trudgen, author of "Why Warriors Lay Down and Die" (2000), succinctly explains how and why the Gap exists; but because he isn't a politician or an academic his practical solutions for medical and educational factors creating the gap have been dismissed. His book needs to be in every college and university. I'd like every person in Australia to read it.
You'd like every Australian to read it...I really couldn't care less mate. I'm tired to my bones of the aboriginal fetishism in this country. It's downright creepy. I won't be reading it, give a copy to some wealthy white lefty so they fiddle with themselves while reading it.
Whats the summary?
@@benm468Utter garbage. The same racist line has been used against all sorts of populations over the last century or so.
Thank you for telling us what the voice stand for as a migrant that came over 50 years ago and worked to have what I and my family to have enjoy the freedom of this country I know what I will be voting for.
I'm 65 All the aboriginal people I went to school with had all the same opportunities as I did!!! My parents weren't rich!!!
Excellent explanation and factual knowledge. Thank you!
What has happened to the calibre of people representing us today. There are no contemporary John Anderson’s ii politics today.
The road to ruin is paved with...
With you John. Vote no!