Thank you for this instruction. I purchased this unit 4 years ago and messed with it from time to time, but it generally sat unused for long periods. My problem was facing the huge array of possibilities, I would become overwhelmed, frustrated (considered dumping it many times) and then, just put it away for a long time. Each time I get it out, I learn a tiny bit more, forget some, but generally make some strides ahead. Now it has reached a level of taunting me into challenge. One of the challenges is to get a clear overview of how to think about this thing and how that translates into practical usage, seeing the forest beyond the trees....I just too used to turning knobs. I would love to see you do short videos on isolated functions.
Ha - sounds like what I did! Some of this gear can be difficult to get on with but this one was not too bad. Thanks for watching. This was a review of the time I'm afraid. If I have a use for the item after a review then I keep it, otherwise I sell it to buy something else for review. I eventually sold this one, but it's no reflection on the product... Your views are similar to many that I hear from different guitarists and the multiples of learning curves with equipment. Stay safe.
what I did after a few weeks of not getting the exact tone I wanted (they all had a midrange thing that made it sound like thru a telephone, back in the days.), I started systematically creating a lot of setups starting with one I liked and then changing the amp and speakers for each of them. So now I had like 30 or so presets with the amps in their names that I that I tweaked until they all were „playable“ for me. Plus, I got the Laney LFR 112 (its cab-simulation of, the cabs come from the presets) which made a huge difference when playing with my band. Happy now.
Tony, I bought the BOSS GP-10 and I just wanted to say thank you for your help. I loved your excitement and enthusiasm as you walked me through the basic setup and options of this amazing device. You definitely saved me a lot of time and frustration for sure and you were a pleasant instructor to watch!!!! Cheers!!!
Ryan Leh Thank you Ryan for those kind words. It's for guys like you that I bother to do this stuff for. I'm not the best in the world for sure... I'm really just like you and probably that's one of my best assets.. I'm not paid or gain in any way from making these videos so if something is bad to me... well I'll say it. In any case... thank you kindly for the comments and those from you and others make it worth doing all this stuff for.
@@tonymckenzieofficial Tony. Seen your videos over the years and now I have an issue with my GP10. I now need a PSA s power supply, but Roland doesn't tell you what the 110V transforms down to. I have lots of step down transformer-adapter wall warts, but don't want to risk burning it out trying the wrong one. Thanks for your tips. Silvermane Wesley John
O sad its failed. which PSA the run of the mill one? (probably) and heres the info on one I had here: th-cam.com/video/X0aGYgjA3R0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=m828oEL84SrTF-Cy&t=1808 PSB-1U and typical power supply syndrome is: th-cam.com/video/VFZmsm-8Srw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ledBtCXSE7hW-fag&t=1507 lastly I went and checked further the PSB-1U is for Replacement power supply designed for a range of Boss and Roland products including the Boss Katana Mini, GT-10, BCB-60, BR-8 and more. Here's the info: Replacement 9V power supply @ 2Amp positive outside negative inside... hard to find info and looks like they intentionally miss it off music retailer sites so you buy theirs... Thanks for watching. It was a great question too! OOPS READ ON: Seems the GP-10 is a PSA type and that still is 9v power but 350mA current draw. There are loads of compatible ones on eBay for example. Note this, if the connector is the same as the PSB-1U and the positive is outside (neg inside) then you could use the PSB-1U but it costs about double.... just fyi
thanks Tony, I installed the GK3 and yours was by far the best video I checked out. And also learning some functions of the GP10 with your humour was easier!
Great review of this pedal, which I've recently bought. I also agree with your comments regarding the GR55. I had one for about nine months and sold it on. Very poor compared to my GR20. The GR55 didn't track well, despite all my attempts at sorting the problem and let's not forget all the ghost notes that kept on appearing from nowhere...Diabolical is the best description. Anyhow, Tony, keep up the good work.
Glad you like this and agree with my findings in general. Some of these units are better than others for sure. GR20 is an icon and it worked pretty well. I used that for a SAX lead part on a track I later released on an album... it sounded so real. Thanks for watching and stay safe.
Great set of videos. I purchased a used unit from Ebay that was a floor model for $220.00. I had a GK1 pickup from a roland synth from a few years back. At the time had a Fender Roland Ready Strat so didn't use the pickup back then and almost threw the thing out. It was in original plastic wrap so glad I kept it that pickup alone is $200.00. I should get the unit any day now and will use your videos to help install and set up! Thanks for taking the time.
Outstanding and thorough as always Tony! GP-10 may be considered "old tech" but I prfer it over my Helix. Just does so much more and setting up patches for live use isn't so bad really. I just copy the same thing a bunch of times and adjust as needed on each one so that I can go forward for one thing and backward for another. It's just a little more preparation without banks.
It can be easy to 'write off' gear that is not new... I have seen that a lot. But my take is that it works as well as the day it was released! What's not to like. And a bargain for used ones too. Yes the banks had me 'fooled' when I first heard about those but they are OK in use. Thanks for your take on the unit too - always better from guys that use the gear.. Stay safe.
I have used the Helix 'floor' unit and sold that after review because its way too big, I later bought the Helix rack. I generally only use that for effects and have those going to a Marshall JVM410HJS (Satriani Head) and the whole thing (Helix) controls the rack and the amp. The Boss GP-10 is in a different world you are right and it is one of those units that if you spend time working through it then it offers what most other products don't or cannot. I was not the best 'demonstrator' of the GP-10 for sure, but I know decent gear when I see it, and the GP-10 remains pretty much still out there in this specialized field of products. I agree its got some very clever stuff going on :)
@@tonymckenzieofficial I admit I haven't used the Helix but I've used just about every other multi-effects unit known to mankind and nothing impresses me like the GP-10! Just being able to set the volume of each string is amazing (does the Helix let you do that?)! But I can't find anyone to go into the nuts and bolts of the GP-10, which is understandable because it's not easy and takes a lot of work. Most TH-camrs just want to play the presets because it's easy and gets the most and quickest views and then they can go on to the next "review". Few people have the time or motivation to put in to an elaborate and in depth programming video of the GP-10 and rightly see that the views will not be worth the effort. And that is the sad state of TH-cam. But there is often one guy who will go in depth on some kind of device disregarding the lack of views , but I haven't found him for the GP-10.
I think the thing is, that the Helix, other line6, other boss etc. are NOT the same device. This is more of a device that simulates other musical gear really in a different way. Want those other tones... this is great, but the Helix et al is really for gutarists to generally create guitar tones.
Very interesting video, and accompanying online review as well-many thanks. I've owned the GR-55, which like many others on here I found overkill and needlessly complicated. It went. Originally I bought a vintage VG-88 with the upgraded software and found it fun, and subsequently the GP-10, which I find a doddle to use with excellent tracking, as well as being very fine-sounding. Regarding the GK pickups, I've at least five Strat-style guitars on which I have installed both GK-3, GK-2a ( clip-on versions) and internally installed GK-3 units. I've experienced no problems with fitting the pickup on the guitars, but for neatness do prefer the internal installation-IF you have room for the electronics! Not every guitar has sufficient routing depth to accommodate the board and wiring, especially if full-size pots are fitted to the guitar. If you prefer a Strat without a tremolo, and have blocked the bridge, the electronics board can be fitted in place of the block springs. Some modifications might be required to the guitar, and I prefer to add the 13-pin socket to the side of the guitar next to the standard jack-point. However it can be fitted to the pickguard ( assuming you have sufficient clearance-see comments re pots!), alongside the up/down buttons. Fortunately no batteries are needed because the electronics are powered by the effects unit via the 13-pin cable. Give the GP-10 a go, you will find it opens up many possibilties.
Hey Martin thanks for the info. This one is some years back... but it was interesting at the time really. I still have a VG-99 :) and thanks for all that info - very useful for many guys. Thanks for the post and of course for watching.
Thanks a million Tony. One of the best, most in dept video's I have yet to see. Thank you for the massive input. Better than the makers video. God bless! Great!
Felix The Cat I'm sure he might be laughing at me instead LOL... Gary was and still is one of my favourite guitarists just simply awesome. I'm not sure which track I played to on this video (I have made so many and am short of time to go and look) but the slow version of 'don't believe a word' from that early (I think) 73 album just hits you right where it matters every time I listen to it - and I still do today. He was awesome and many of todays 'guitarists' might do well to listen to that track re what really makes for a brilliant guitar solo - its nothing to do with speed. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your review. I myself being the owner of GR-55 for a few years now, and still finding myself scratching my head wondering what is the best use for this quagmire of equipment, the GP 10 just might be what the doctor ordered for me. I always appreciate your honest opinion.
I know what you mean on the GR-55. When I reviewed it, it was good but as you say a little confusing in some ways. The GP-10 still has separate guitar out (it's all great if you throw it all through the PA but more awkward if you don't. Also I thought the 'no preset banks' is a pain. You have to use the software to set things how you need them and that's a pity... in fact to me it's the worst thing about the GP-10. Nevertheless - it still sounds very good overall. Thank you for watching.
I sold a GR55 and am getting a Fractal Audio FX8 when it becomes available to go with my GP 10. That combo will do me good with firmware updates for another 10 years I recon. It is a great time to be a guitarist.
It might if Fractal Audio are still around and not if they are not. Roland will be though. I strongly suggest you TRY a FA pedal BEFORE you buy it. Actually don't worry, I'll be pulling one apart for you :)
sonicliberation I understand... but its all a bit like software they used to call it 'vapour ware' before it exists). Then of course that unit may or may not be what is hyped by the manufacturers... and not just FA either.. there are many companies like that. You usually find out after you bought it. Check it out before you buy! That would be common sense from your head telling you that and not with your heart because the 'vapourware' you think is the same as other stuff you bought would be the same without trying it first if you get my meaning... compare the GR-55 with a VG-99 and you would soon learn that although the GR-55 'seems' extremely similar, in reality they are worlds apart. Trust you like what you get and more importantly, you get what you think you are buying ;-). BTW the GP-10 falls short of the GR-55 but many think it's similar.
***** I hear you...the proof will be in the pudding so to speak. FA sells direct to musicians so it is often hard to access new products from them for trial purposes. FA does have a 15 day money back guarantee that I will not hesitate to use should it not deliver. That being said, it's big brother, the FX2 I recorded with was nothing short of stellar!
Have you tested various string gauges on your guitar when used in conjunction with the GP-10 by chance? If so, did you notice differences? I am thinking of moving from 9s to 10s and tuning down a half step if the extra string mass helps with tracking.
Well Done Tony ! this review is deep and good to make an objective advice, however, i think it was so long to reccord the videos and post mounting all that stuff ! I thank you for that to take a lot of time, it's quite usefull !
Was literally just going to ask you if you had tried the GP10 and blow me there you are with the back off one as I live and breathe. This seems a much more inspiring offering than the desk top thing. When you look back at what you had to pay for and what you got over the years this kind of gear is nothing short of amazing. The editing looks pretty easy compared to some stuff that can be mind boggling. My VG88/99 quest might be put on the back burner. Great review as usual and some nice playing. With this type of unit would you say that some kind of hi-fi speaker/studio monitor set up would serve it better than the usual combo or half stack set up? My dream of being able to be Ritchie Blackmore and the late great Jon Lord could be getting nearer!
Jon Lord indeed! The VG99 is a far superior product with virtually no limitation compared to the GP-10. But it does cost a lot more and I would recommend the FC-300 for the VG99. However, the GP-10 has NO MIDI PORT as you might expect it. I've used it more since the review and the midi port stops you doing much more with this unit... and no banks! so that software is critical if you're playing live. For studio stuff it matters not. Remember it's stereo so with regular amp you don't get all the incredible stereo sounds... I put it right through the PA without anything else and it sounded really good. Studio monitors - or even decent headphones could work and that's a great reason to try them. Obviously on studio monitors you need powered ones :)... thanks for those kind words too and for watching... this review took me some time.
Was that Bill Nelson at the second half? Couldn't have been at the beginning, because he'd probably not do a Roland pedal review. ;) Sounds like a cool pedal and cool playing! Maybe I'll get one for Christmas(the pedal, probably not the playing).. Still working on my scales...lol...and my cheap guitar. Apparently, they routed the neck joint too deep so the action is a bit high at the lowest setting. The cheap plastic nut doesn't stay in tune just bending strings as it has a les paul bridge. It was sold as B stock, but it was much further down the alphabet when I got it.
LOL... I still working on scales too :). Don't let it bother you. On the guitar... (it sinks the neck lower so there's nowhere to go on the adjuster - I know what you mean.... think cheese grater). Great comment on the 'B stock' I laughed for about 5 mins - first time I've heard that... great - that is my sense of humour for sure. Unfortunately it was not Bill... not sure how good he is now, but in those earlier albums he was simply awesome. Then he went off doing something else.. he's back now. I don't come even close to Bill :( but I still listen to his music for sure. Thanks for watching.
Tony,love this pedal but why have we lost the must have -USER BANK ? that all the other stuff has,if you want extra patches you eventually have to overwrite the factory ones(good job in some cases),also find the exp. pedal a bit short-throw compared to a normal unit,built for dwarfs this one,wonder what the MK11 will be like?, rock on pal.
I agree... I highlighted this in my written review on my website www.tonymckenzie.com among other shortcomings. I suspect its to stop the GP-10 affecting GR-55 sales....
Yes the sounds are quite good, but there are a few things it has of limitation... no banks - so for live work you have to have your head screwed on a little. Think 8 out of 10 as a revised score... and the website review will reflect all of that. Thanks for watching.
Shadowsreach1 Well that's the Roland trick... sell the same basic hardware over and over but disable features/ports on the low end ones. Very clever marketing approach to sales.
With MIDI out over USB, can this be used as a controller for soft synths, external MIDI instruments and plug-ins like BIAS? In the case of MIDI instruments, you'd have to plug both into a DAW and route the GP-10 USB MIDI to the MIDI input of the target device I think?
So now that you've had this for a bit how do you like it? My primary interest in this is for the guitar modeling and alt tunings as I'll be using a multi FX box for amps and stomp boxes .I think I'd rather use this than a Line 6 Variax. Got any input on that? Great, thorough review, as always Tony. Thanks for taking your time to do these. I keep hoping Roland will do an update on the VG 99 but that may be a pipe dream.
DrRussPhd I still think the 'non banks' are a pain. That's its biggest let down for me. There are some great features, but it still feels like a cut down pedal I'm afraid. I was not a fan of the Line 6 stuff, although now being bought out by Yamaha it might change things for the better. I too wish the VG-99 was updated (surely they will) as it remains my favourite guitar synth style pedal. The modelling on this pedal is 'OK' but think GT-100ish if you get my meaning on that for modelling. Thanks for watching.
***** Just checked out your on-line review. Looks like Roland just can't stop themselves from coming up short. Not sure why they think smaller is better, they should have used the larger GT-100 chassis with two rows of 5 switches. I did order the pedal with two extra FS5 switches. Sounds like it is loaded with the GT-100 COSM models so that might make it worth keeping. Wouldn't it be great if Roland would listed to the needs of working guitarists while designing this stuff. Not sure how many guitarists need Alien sounds during a song..LOL Keep the reviews coming!!
Unfortunately not. I own one of those though... and on that last album myself and Alan Bruce made there's a track called 'Breathe'. That matters because its an excellent example of the saxophone on the GR-33 played on a guitar... you might find samples of that online. All I can say, is that we needed a really great saxophone sound and NOTHING I had sounded anywhere near as good as that did. It's entirely convincing unless you play sax! The GR-20 was near too! Thanks for watching.
Do you know anyone or anywhere I can learn about the GR-33 I have the p/u installed. I just need help with the rest. I do have the owners manual, but you know how those are.
@@keithcarman5381 There are (I believe) some tutorial dvd's out there and some 'online' tutorial sites (unfortunately none are free) but other than that it's all about sitting down and spending time with the gear. It's one of the 'bug bears' that we all face with anything like this and the simulators can be substantially worse than the GR-33 for sure. Sorry I can't offer more... if anyone else knows a good tutorial for the GR-33 let Keith know...
Another Great review Tony , I bought my GP10 Tuesday just unpacked it today after watching your Vid, already made a few things clearer , I didn't need the GK pickup as I have a couple of Roland ready guitars by Godin , like you I've got the VG99 and FC300 ( never been outside the studio) but in a stomp box design GP should be great for the road !! And as it's a stand alone FX as well , I can use none GK equipped guitars too ? Only thing I can't get my head around only 2 controls for bank select up and down !! For Some of the songs I need 3or4 sounds set up !! Anyways thanks again your the tutor I think !!
Careful! there are no banks! The way you do that is awkward. think of those 99 'patches' as sounds for parts of a song. Lets assume there are three parts to a song you want to change effects through. Imagine verse, chorus, verse, chorus, verse, verse, chorus, chorus, outro. Now number the patches (lets say that verse is 1, chorus is 2 and outro is 3. Set the patches in the software as though you were playing the song like as follows: 1,2,1,2,1,1,2,2,3 - what this means is that the first 9 patches are related to one song and as you increment the 'right' patch is next... there are 99 'patches' and you can set ctrl3 and ctrl4 to hop up or down 10 patches at a time. Our logic was set the patches like that, and assume 10 patches per song... so effectively you have 'banks' but not as we know them. if your gig comprises (say) 20 songs, at half time you would have to load up the next live-list (something like that they call it) then play the second half of the gig. I see no other way of doing it and the manual skips right over it all in any meaningful way. There may be other ways to do it, but that's what we did here recently when we did some live stuff. For the studio of course its no problem. I hope this helps you a little. I am btw going to rate the product down to 8 from 10 because of this. But it's still a good pedal for the money there is no doubt.
To be honest I really don't remember... but I'm going to use that on something I'm on right now - it did sound cool... and it was a FACTORY patch for sure.
Tony how would the sound change if a person just ran this straight into a guitar amp rather than thru a PA? Of course the amp has it own tonality and settings but I can't run thru a PA. Are you using a PA instead of an amp for stereo effects or does it just sound better that way? Great videos by the say, very helpful!!!
+jay scanlan You can push it to an amp of course and the tone will change, use the output marked 'mono' and you can use a regular amp on the clean channel. These sort of things often don't like a PA so it seems there's a speaker emulator somewhere in the unit (I have not checked further). They don't say you can't use an amp and it is shown in the 'setup' in the manual. The PA is if you're using it live and have that ability to do so - that's why I mentioned it. But is does sound really cool in stereo or mono too. Glad you liked the video. Check my review of the SY-300 as that needs no interface... you plug in and it just works although its slightly different.
I like concept of getting typical "keyboard" patches and samples with GR-55, on other hand this one seems a LOT cheaper, it is 2/3 if not less of GR-55 price so I don't know, maybe I should just by normal keyboard/ electric piano? GT-001 isn't so bad, it have same software like GT-100 just with less controls, maybe price is too high, GT-001 and GT-100 even have same tone central that you showed for GP-10. About that, I think those extra packs are free because you could make them yourself, you don't buy extre features just patches of other people. I think Line 6 had additional "packs" of effects and amps to buy with their audio interfaces and older multi-effects, no idea how this looks with Pod HD series.
But be careful with this GP-10. There are lots of limitations (depending on what you use it for) that are less obvious even on my review. For example there are no 'banks' so its a convolution of setting up those things in the software like effects per (musical) track played, but there are only 99 spaces in all. We thought (later when we used it in earnest) that you could feasibly set up 10 tracks for live playing with corresponding changes.. so at half gig time you need to load the other 'half' of the show. There's none of that on the GR-55 or indeed the VG-99. But for studio work (which is what I will use it for) its great. Its also good for bedroom guys because of the headphone and aux in sockets. The price IS too high for the GT-001 for sure. Think $150 (£100) and that would be about right I thought, but what they ask is delusional for that product. Your comment of 'less controls' actually sums up the GP-10 perfectly. And they left off the real MIDI port top stop the GP-10 from being decent I reckon... at least that way you could (maybe) have set it up with better control. The way the GP-10 is regarding control is a little disappointing and I'm going to down rate that 10/10 score to 8/10 specifically because of the control side of things. It's one of those shortcomings you don't really notice until you try and use it in a gig or live situation then 'BAM' it's too late and you own it.
Tony, do you think the sound would be different from my VG-99? I bought that years ago but haven't spent alot of time digesting it. This looks alot simpler
Hi Tony, Great review as always. I used to have a GR-55 but i got rid because it felt like i was trying to land a space shuttle every time i used it.The GP-10 looks a bit more user friendly but are the accoustic emulations any good as i found them a bit lacking on GR-55, and also does it have orchestral patches?
Hi Ian, I also tried a GR-55 and did not get on too well with it, but this GP-10 seems nicer sounding and easier - even if you just use the regular patches they are great. The acoustics are similar to my VG-99 but I have not tried all of them yet. The GP-10 is also great at alternate tunings. On the Orchestra thing, honestly I have not checked them all yet, there were some orchestra like ones, but I'll check further... just get me on another time as its late-ish here and I don't want to trawl it all out tonight :) and thanks for watching.
GP-10 shouldn't have any orchestra samples, they are gone along with piano, sax, flutes, fiddles etc. There are different guitar models, basses, sitar, banjo and synth which seems to be based on old roland/boss analog guitar synth.
wiziek Probably... I wizzed through the pedal (time really) and that review still took over three days to compile so sometimes it all goes in one ar and out the other LOL.
by the way, why cant I get the sound of my guitar when I put the selector on guitar (it is mute): I would like to have the choice to pass through my normal pick-ups
Andrea Ferrero You can!... but its not that obvious... you have to feed the guitar output (on the back of the GP-10) to another amp - or at least that's how I remember it at the time... it is weird but there you go...
Andrea Ferrero You can!... but its not that obvious... you have to feed the guitar output (on the back of the GP-10) to another amp - or at least that's how I remember it at the time... it is weird but there you go...
Hey Andrea, I hope you figured it out by now. If you’re still active on this channel, what was the reason you couldn’t hear the direct guitar signal? You had the patch cable connected, correct? You had the volume up on the guitar?
Well I have never tried that... and I did not actually know that you could... Interesting point but I can't answer that one... anyone else have an idea about this question? It's a great one to ask... Thanks for doing that and of course stay safe.
I have not tried that but I guess you could. I don't really see any reason why you could not... anyone else any comment on that question? and thanks for watching.
WOW!! Tony thank you so much for your reply. I have asked so many people that question and you are the only one to reply to me. Your the best!!!! Keep the videos coming . Your the only one who breaks things down in easy and fun ways.
good as always mate, but don't like the space now, I want to be on earth with tube amps, jejeje nice pedl for people who want to do, new age, orchestra music, trance, progresive and other styles like these,is a interesting pedal and I think you have to spend lot of time if you want to dominate this fantastic piece of this guitar effects processor. Cheers mate. Ohhh mate sorry I forgot to say, if you want sell the nova sistem (I hope you remenber wich jijiji) im ready to buy that one mate.
I still have the Nova system and if you are interested pm me... The GP-10 can broaden some horizons - I find it good for recording and less good for what it was developed for (which was live gigs). Notice how, on all the Roland Boss videos you see they rarely change patches one after the other just bumping through a song. It's harder to do than just pressing the up/down pedals because you have to load the GP-10 up with effectively what is song lists of sounds. I reckon 10 songs or so, then you will be loading the next batch. Not too good Live...
I have had both. The limitation on the GP-10 is tht there are no 'banks' as you know them. You have to 'set up' the sounds you want via a computer of one kind or another. Apart from that I thought the GP-10 tracked a little better and the tones seemed nicer (but that bit is subjective). I would weigh up the differences as they each have their own good and bad points... and neither unit really 'steals it' from the other in terms of choice.... hope it helps.
***** Thank you Sir for your prompt reply, Iam currently using a Boss ME-25. I would like to upgrade with a Synth Type multi effects. Can i manually edit and store patches (without the help of a computer) in live situations in the GP-10? My preference is definitely the tone quality, MANUAL EDITING. I require it for live gigs. Are there any other similar options?? I guess the GR-55 is more feature rich....inclining towards the GR-55 :-)...Pls suggest..Ohhh..what about GR-20 and GR-33 can the patches be manually edited...
Biraj Das For synth type tones I think the GR-55 is better. Check the GR-55 as I think the GR-10 is probably too cut back in other ways. The 20 and 33 are older and in a different league... the GR-55 I think beats both of those with tracking/sound.
Thank you...i think i will go for the GR-55..meanwhile browsing your site..very informative..is there any review on vox/ehx analog multi effects vs. Digital guitar multi effects
tony oh god what is that. last time i got into a processing pedal was the digitech rp1 and i still own my rp10 but i never went for boss products always felt cheated when i tried one but that's my opinion. plus you could probably pickup a rp10 for 60 bucks or about 32 pounds off ebay and have a real analogue pedal digital always sounded fake to me
I have friends who used them for years... some really good guitarists. There is no doubt that the RP series sounded good (especially with that guy playing) but he later changed the pedal for something else after using it for years to record. For me they were a little tinny. For him his perfect match. But this pedal is not really designed to be competing with the RP stuff. Think of it as a unit for live work, but since the review I see that there are no patches so you have to use it in a funny way with limitation for live work. It will be downgraded from 10 by me subsequently because of that. But it does have some good tones. The software was particularly good and extremely easy to use once you spent 30 mins with it.
thank you for the reply. yes the early RP stuff competes even today with the new stuff i think the rp 20 was the last from digitech before they went for our wallets rather than sound. total ripoffs. but those where the times when other companies where pumping out crap and digitech had to compete so quality went downhill. can't believe my rp10 is over 20 years old and still kicks ass. now remember people you get what you pay for in muti effects and synth pedals. if it's cheap you can guarantee it is cheaply made somewhere. my pedal brand new was pretty close to 1000 dollars so you can see the price point compared to a 60 dollar cheapy. this pedal had some nice tones but didn't make me say i'll hang up my rp 10 for it.
rigamrts I know what you mean... and there are some shortcomings in the GP-10 when using it for live stuff... not obvious until you use one after a few days the penny drops and you realise its harder to do what you really want to in a gig. Watch this space I might even add another little short Vid on the GP-10.
Boss should partner up with a different amp modelling company and license their tech or buy a smaller company like Positive Grid and use their amp modelling. COSM has always been crap and even if it were light years better all the sudden maybe people would be put off by the name.
I actually like single pedals but for a multi, I would just take the whole amp sim out!! not all multis have this :) I think they should just focus on the effects and then leave it to the guitar player to choose what amp they use the units with. I've heard COSM type stuff on high end tube amps! sound like crap! effects are best to work with an amp not try and be an amp :) Ive known guitars players that have been some dumb!! using a marshal stack sim into an amp with an 8 inch speaker and think it sounds amazing?? just be logical! if you want to sound like a stack! invest in a stack! its the only way you will get that sound :) COSM is marketing tool
Thank you for this instruction. I purchased this unit 4 years ago and messed with it from time to time, but it generally sat unused for long periods. My problem was facing the huge array of possibilities, I would become overwhelmed, frustrated (considered dumping it many times) and then, just put it away for a long time. Each time I get it out, I learn a tiny bit more, forget some, but generally make some strides ahead. Now it has reached a level of taunting me into challenge. One of the challenges is to get a clear overview of how to think about this thing and how that translates into practical usage, seeing the forest beyond the trees....I just too used to turning knobs. I would love to see you do short videos on isolated functions.
Ha - sounds like what I did! Some of this gear can be difficult to get on with but this one was not too bad. Thanks for watching. This was a review of the time I'm afraid. If I have a use for the item after a review then I keep it, otherwise I sell it to buy something else for review. I eventually sold this one, but it's no reflection on the product... Your views are similar to many that I hear from different guitarists and the multiples of learning curves with equipment. Stay safe.
what I did after a few weeks of not getting the exact tone I wanted (they all had a midrange thing that made it sound like thru a telephone, back in the days.), I started systematically creating a lot of setups starting with one I liked and then changing the amp and speakers for each of them. So now I had like 30 or so presets with the amps in their names that I that I tweaked until they all were „playable“ for me.
Plus, I got the Laney LFR 112 (its cab-simulation of, the cabs come from the presets) which made a huge difference when playing with my band.
Happy now.
Thanks for this awesome and full detailed video. I bought this kit for godin lgxt just right now(18 apr. 2024).🎉
I'm really happy that this video has helped at least a little and appreciate you watching. Thanks.
Tony, I bought the BOSS GP-10 and I just wanted to say thank you for your help. I loved your excitement and enthusiasm as you walked me through the basic setup and options of this amazing device. You definitely saved me a lot of time and frustration for sure and you were a pleasant instructor to watch!!!! Cheers!!!
Ryan Leh Thank you Ryan for those kind words. It's for guys like you that I bother to do this stuff for. I'm not the best in the world for sure... I'm really just like you and probably that's one of my best assets.. I'm not paid or gain in any way from making these videos so if something is bad to me... well I'll say it.
In any case... thank you kindly for the comments and those from you and others make it worth doing all this stuff for.
@@tonymckenzieofficial Tony. Seen your videos over the years and now I have an issue with my GP10. I now need a PSA s power supply, but Roland doesn't tell you what the 110V transforms down to. I have lots of step down transformer-adapter wall warts, but don't want to risk burning it out trying the wrong one.
Thanks for your tips.
Silvermane Wesley John
O sad its failed. which PSA the run of the mill one? (probably) and heres the info on one I had here: th-cam.com/video/X0aGYgjA3R0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=m828oEL84SrTF-Cy&t=1808 PSB-1U and typical power supply syndrome is: th-cam.com/video/VFZmsm-8Srw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ledBtCXSE7hW-fag&t=1507 lastly I went and checked further the PSB-1U is for Replacement power supply designed for a range of Boss and Roland products including the Boss Katana Mini, GT-10, BCB-60, BR-8 and more. Here's the info: Replacement 9V power supply @ 2Amp positive outside negative inside... hard to find info and looks like they intentionally miss it off music retailer sites so you buy theirs... Thanks for watching. It was a great question too! OOPS READ ON: Seems the GP-10 is a PSA type and that still is 9v power but 350mA current draw. There are loads of compatible ones on eBay for example. Note this, if the connector is the same as the PSB-1U and the positive is outside (neg inside) then you could use the PSB-1U but it costs about double.... just fyi
thanks Tony, I installed the GK3 and yours was by far the best video I checked out. And also learning some functions of the GP10 with your humour was easier!
Andrea Ferrero :)
Great review of this pedal, which I've recently bought. I also agree with your comments regarding the GR55. I had one for about nine months and sold it on. Very poor compared to my GR20. The GR55 didn't track well, despite all my attempts at sorting the problem and let's not forget all the ghost notes that kept on appearing from nowhere...Diabolical is the best description. Anyhow, Tony, keep up the good work.
Glad you like this and agree with my findings in general. Some of these units are better than others for sure. GR20 is an icon and it worked pretty well. I used that for a SAX lead part on a track I later released on an album... it sounded so real. Thanks for watching and stay safe.
Great set of videos. I purchased a used unit from Ebay that was a floor model for $220.00. I had a GK1 pickup from a roland synth from a few years back. At the time had a Fender Roland Ready Strat so didn't use the pickup back then and almost threw the thing out. It was in original plastic wrap so glad I kept it that pickup alone is $200.00. I should get the unit any day now and will use your videos to help install and set up! Thanks for taking the time.
Great to know that the video helped. Not a bad unit really overall and worth investigating for sure. Thanks.
Outstanding and thorough as always Tony! GP-10 may be considered "old tech" but I prfer it over my Helix. Just does so much more and setting up patches for live use isn't so bad really. I just copy the same thing a bunch of times and adjust as needed on each one so that I can go forward for one thing and backward for another. It's just a little more preparation without banks.
It can be easy to 'write off' gear that is not new... I have seen that a lot. But my take is that it works as well as the day it was released! What's not to like. And a bargain for used ones too. Yes the banks had me 'fooled' when I first heard about those but they are OK in use. Thanks for your take on the unit too - always better from guys that use the gear.. Stay safe.
I have used the Helix 'floor' unit and sold that after review because its way too big, I later bought the Helix rack. I generally only use that for effects and have those going to a Marshall JVM410HJS (Satriani Head) and the whole thing (Helix) controls the rack and the amp. The Boss GP-10 is in a different world you are right and it is one of those units that if you spend time working through it then it offers what most other products don't or cannot. I was not the best 'demonstrator' of the GP-10 for sure, but I know decent gear when I see it, and the GP-10 remains pretty much still out there in this specialized field of products. I agree its got some very clever stuff going on :)
@@tonymckenzieofficial I admit I haven't used the Helix but I've used just about every other multi-effects unit known to mankind and nothing impresses me like the GP-10! Just being able to set the volume of each string is amazing (does the Helix let you do that?)! But I can't find anyone to go into the nuts and bolts of the GP-10, which is understandable because it's not easy and takes a lot of work. Most TH-camrs just want to play the presets because it's easy and gets the most and quickest views and then they can go on to the next "review".
Few people have the time or motivation to put in to an elaborate and in depth programming video of the GP-10 and rightly see that the views will not be worth the effort. And that is the sad state of TH-cam. But there is often one guy who will go in depth on some kind of device disregarding the lack of views , but I haven't found him for the GP-10.
I think the thing is, that the Helix, other line6, other boss etc. are NOT the same device. This is more of a device that simulates other musical gear really in a different way. Want those other tones... this is great, but the Helix et al is really for gutarists to generally create guitar tones.
Tony great job on the Boss GP10. I really enjoyed your playing also. Keep Rocking and making these great demos . God Bless you dude.
Yes its not a bad piece of gear... and thanks for the kind words and for watching.
Very interesting video, and accompanying online review as well-many thanks.
I've owned the GR-55, which like many others on here I found overkill and needlessly complicated. It went.
Originally I bought a vintage VG-88 with the upgraded software and found it fun, and subsequently the GP-10, which I find a doddle to use with excellent tracking, as well as being very fine-sounding.
Regarding the GK pickups, I've at least five Strat-style guitars on which I have installed both GK-3, GK-2a ( clip-on versions) and internally installed GK-3 units. I've experienced no problems with fitting the pickup on the guitars, but for neatness do prefer the internal installation-IF you have room for the electronics! Not every guitar has sufficient routing depth to accommodate the board and wiring, especially if full-size pots are fitted to the guitar. If you prefer a Strat without a tremolo, and have blocked the bridge, the electronics board can be fitted in place of the block springs. Some modifications might be required to the guitar, and I prefer to add the 13-pin socket to the side of the guitar next to the standard jack-point. However it can be fitted to the pickguard ( assuming you have sufficient clearance-see comments re pots!), alongside the up/down buttons. Fortunately no batteries are needed because the electronics are powered by the effects unit via the 13-pin cable.
Give the GP-10 a go, you will find it opens up many possibilties.
Hey Martin thanks for the info. This one is some years back... but it was interesting at the time really. I still have a VG-99 :) and thanks for all that info - very useful for many guys. Thanks for the post and of course for watching.
Thanks a million Tony. One of the best, most in dept video's I have yet to see. Thank you for the massive input. Better than the makers video. God bless! Great!
Thanks... I seemed to have missed this comment.
I’ve heard that the Mark Hjorthoy presets are really great. Just sayin’ 😊
Good to know! and thanks for watching...
At the end gary moore would be smiling there! great video and tomorrow should see this and get it installed hopefully. thanks again
Felix The Cat I'm sure he might be laughing at me instead LOL... Gary was and still is one of my favourite guitarists just simply awesome. I'm not sure which track I played to on this video (I have made so many and am short of time to go and look) but the slow version of 'don't believe a word' from that early (I think) 73 album just hits you right where it matters every time I listen to it - and I still do today. He was awesome and many of todays 'guitarists' might do well to listen to that track re what really makes for a brilliant guitar solo - its nothing to do with speed. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your review. I myself being the owner of GR-55 for a few years now, and still finding myself scratching my head wondering what is the best use for this quagmire of equipment, the GP 10 just might be what the doctor ordered for me. I always appreciate your honest opinion.
I know what you mean on the GR-55. When I reviewed it, it was good but as you say a little confusing in some ways. The GP-10 still has separate guitar out (it's all great if you throw it all through the PA but more awkward if you don't. Also I thought the 'no preset banks' is a pain. You have to use the software to set things how you need them and that's a pity... in fact to me it's the worst thing about the GP-10. Nevertheless - it still sounds very good overall. Thank you for watching.
I sold a GR55 and am getting a Fractal Audio FX8 when it becomes available to go with my GP 10. That combo will do me good with firmware updates for another 10 years I recon. It is a great time to be a guitarist.
It might if Fractal Audio are still around and not if they are not. Roland will be though. I strongly suggest you TRY a FA pedal BEFORE you buy it. Actually don't worry, I'll be pulling one apart for you :)
The FX8 is reported to be a floor based Axe FX2 without the amp/speaker models. I have used that unit to record and am in love. thanks
sonicliberation I understand... but its all a bit like software they used to call it 'vapour ware' before it exists). Then of course that unit may or may not be what is hyped by the manufacturers... and not just FA either.. there are many companies like that. You usually find out after you bought it. Check it out before you buy! That would be common sense from your head telling you that and not with your heart because the 'vapourware' you think is the same as other stuff you bought would be the same without trying it first if you get my meaning... compare the GR-55 with a VG-99 and you would soon learn that although the GR-55 'seems' extremely similar, in reality they are worlds apart. Trust you like what you get and more importantly, you get what you think you are buying ;-). BTW the GP-10 falls short of the GR-55 but many think it's similar.
***** I hear you...the proof will be in the pudding so to speak. FA sells direct to musicians so it is often hard to access new products from them for trial purposes. FA does have a 15 day money back guarantee that I will not hesitate to use should it not deliver. That being said, it's big brother, the FX2 I recorded with was nothing short of stellar!
Have you tested various string gauges on your guitar when used in conjunction with the GP-10 by chance? If so, did you notice differences? I am thinking of moving from 9s to 10s and tuning down a half step if the extra string mass helps with tracking.
Well Done Tony ! this review is deep and good to make an objective advice, however, i think it was so long to reccord the videos and post mounting all that stuff ! I thank you for that to take a lot of time, it's quite usefull !
+guillaume vautrin Thanks Guillaume glad you liked the review and also thanks for watching.
Thank you for this Video Tony. Made installing my Gp-10 a breeze. Thank you, this video also made me buy the gp-10
:) and thanks for watching.
I have a GP-10 and it's a little gem :)
They are an interesting unit for sure. Thanks for the post and for watching.
Thank you sir, that's a proper tutorial...
Great to know you liked this review. I did it about 4 years ago but the pedal is still very relevant today. Thanks for watching.
This hooked up to a vg-99 would be incredible!
I never tried that, but I do get the point for sure... maybe I'll try it sometime. Thanks for watching.
MrVic1954 Don't know of him but I will check it out and take a look. Thanks for the link....
very nice sounds and excellent playing.Thanks for a very good review.
Thanks Rolf... and of course for watching...
Was literally just going to ask you if you had tried the GP10 and blow me there you are with the back off one as I live and breathe. This seems a much more inspiring offering than the desk top thing. When you look back at what you had to pay for and what you got over the years this kind of gear is nothing short of amazing. The editing looks pretty easy compared to some stuff that can be mind boggling. My VG88/99 quest might be put on the back burner. Great review as usual and some nice playing. With this type of unit would you say that some kind of hi-fi speaker/studio monitor set up would serve it better than the usual combo or half stack set up? My dream of being able to be Ritchie Blackmore and the late great Jon Lord could be getting nearer!
Jon Lord indeed! The VG99 is a far superior product with virtually no limitation compared to the GP-10. But it does cost a lot more and I would recommend the FC-300 for the VG99. However, the GP-10 has NO MIDI PORT as you might expect it. I've used it more since the review and the midi port stops you doing much more with this unit... and no banks! so that software is critical if you're playing live. For studio stuff it matters not. Remember it's stereo so with regular amp you don't get all the incredible stereo sounds... I put it right through the PA without anything else and it sounded really good. Studio monitors - or even decent headphones could work and that's a great reason to try them. Obviously on studio monitors you need powered ones :)... thanks for those kind words too and for watching... this review took me some time.
Was that Bill Nelson at the second half? Couldn't have been at the beginning, because he'd probably not do a Roland pedal review. ;) Sounds like a cool pedal and cool playing! Maybe I'll get one for Christmas(the pedal, probably not the playing).. Still working on my scales...lol...and my cheap guitar. Apparently, they routed the neck joint too deep so the action is a bit high at the lowest setting. The cheap plastic nut doesn't stay in tune just bending strings as it has a les paul bridge. It was sold as B stock, but it was much further down the alphabet when I got it.
LOL... I still working on scales too :). Don't let it bother you. On the guitar... (it sinks the neck lower so there's nowhere to go on the adjuster - I know what you mean.... think cheese grater). Great comment on the 'B stock' I laughed for about 5 mins - first time I've heard that... great - that is my sense of humour for sure. Unfortunately it was not Bill... not sure how good he is now, but in those earlier albums he was simply awesome. Then he went off doing something else.. he's back now. I don't come even close to Bill :( but I still listen to his music for sure. Thanks for watching.
Tony,love this pedal but why have we lost the must have -USER BANK ? that all the other stuff has,if you want extra patches you eventually have to overwrite the factory ones(good job in some cases),also find the exp. pedal a bit short-throw compared to a normal unit,built for dwarfs this one,wonder what the MK11 will be like?, rock on pal.
I agree... I highlighted this in my written review on my website www.tonymckenzie.com among other shortcomings. I suspect its to stop the GP-10 affecting GR-55 sales....
wow very cool that little pedal has a lot in it! Thanks Tony!
Yes the sounds are quite good, but there are a few things it has of limitation... no banks - so for live work you have to have your head screwed on a little. Think 8 out of 10 as a revised score... and the website review will reflect all of that. Thanks for watching.
I think as well they could have used a midi out maybe to control computer midi notes for other sounds just a thought haha
Shadowsreach1 Well that's the Roland trick... sell the same basic hardware over and over but disable features/ports on the low end ones. Very clever marketing approach to sales.
ahh yes that makes sense for them haha
With MIDI out over USB, can this be used as a controller for soft synths, external MIDI instruments and plug-ins like BIAS?
In the case of MIDI instruments, you'd have to plug both into a DAW and route the GP-10 USB MIDI to the MIDI input of the target device I think?
Not sure of the details; but I read on the Boss website that the GP-10 can trigger soft synths.
So now that you've had this for a bit how do you like it? My primary interest in this is for the guitar modeling and alt tunings as I'll be using a multi FX box for amps and stomp boxes .I think I'd rather use this than a Line 6 Variax. Got any input on that? Great, thorough review, as always Tony. Thanks for taking your time to do these. I keep hoping Roland will do an update on the VG 99 but that may be a pipe dream.
DrRussPhd I still think the 'non banks' are a pain. That's its biggest let down for me. There are some great features, but it still feels like a cut down pedal I'm afraid. I was not a fan of the Line 6 stuff, although now being bought out by Yamaha it might change things for the better. I too wish the VG-99 was updated (surely they will) as it remains my favourite guitar synth style pedal. The modelling on this pedal is 'OK' but think GT-100ish if you get my meaning on that for modelling. Thanks for watching.
Thank you, sir!
A very informative video, and good explanation)
Glad it helped and thank you for watching.
Thanks for the review Tony. I have a love hate relationship with my GR-55, mostly hate. Think I will sell my GR and give this a go.
Be careful.... read my written review here: tonymckenzie.com/roland_boss_GP-10_synthesiser_effects_unit__inside_and_out_review.htm
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Just checked out your on-line review. Looks like Roland just can't stop themselves from coming up short. Not sure why they think smaller is better, they should have used the larger GT-100 chassis with two rows of 5 switches. I did order the pedal with two extra FS5 switches. Sounds like it is loaded with the GT-100 COSM models so that might make it worth keeping. Wouldn't it be great if Roland would listed to the needs of working guitarists while designing this stuff. Not sure how many guitarists need Alien sounds during a song..LOL Keep the reviews coming!!
AndersonCustomGuitar I agree - the GP-10 was a great idea... it sounded generally cool, then they cut out the banks :( and made it harder work.
Tony, I loved your review on the GK-10. do you do 1 on the roland GR-33?
Unfortunately not. I own one of those though... and on that last album myself and Alan Bruce made there's a track called 'Breathe'. That matters because its an excellent example of the saxophone on the GR-33 played on a guitar... you might find samples of that online. All I can say, is that we needed a really great saxophone sound and NOTHING I had sounded anywhere near as good as that did. It's entirely convincing unless you play sax! The GR-20 was near too! Thanks for watching.
Do you know anyone or anywhere I can learn about the GR-33 I have the p/u installed. I just need help with the rest. I do have the owners manual, but you know how those are.
@@keithcarman5381 There are (I believe) some tutorial dvd's out there and some 'online' tutorial sites (unfortunately none are free) but other than that it's all about sitting down and spending time with the gear. It's one of the 'bug bears' that we all face with anything like this and the simulators can be substantially worse than the GR-33 for sure. Sorry I can't offer more... if anyone else knows a good tutorial for the GR-33 let Keith know...
Another Great review Tony , I bought my GP10 Tuesday just unpacked it today after watching your Vid, already made a few things clearer , I didn't need the GK pickup as I have a couple of Roland ready guitars by Godin , like you I've got the VG99 and FC300 ( never been outside the studio) but in a stomp box design GP should be great for the road !! And as it's a stand alone FX as well , I can use none GK equipped guitars too ? Only thing I can't get my head around only 2 controls for bank select up and down !! For Some of the songs I need 3or4 sounds set up !! Anyways thanks again your the tutor I think !!
Careful! there are no banks! The way you do that is awkward. think of those 99 'patches' as sounds for parts of a song. Lets assume there are three parts to a song you want to change effects through. Imagine verse, chorus, verse, chorus, verse, verse, chorus, chorus, outro. Now number the patches (lets say that verse is 1, chorus is 2 and outro is 3. Set the patches in the software as though you were playing the song like as follows: 1,2,1,2,1,1,2,2,3 - what this means is that the first 9 patches are related to one song and as you increment the 'right' patch is next... there are 99 'patches' and you can set ctrl3 and ctrl4 to hop up or down 10 patches at a time. Our logic was set the patches like that, and assume 10 patches per song... so effectively you have 'banks' but not as we know them. if your gig comprises (say) 20 songs, at half time you would have to load up the next live-list (something like that they call it) then play the second half of the gig. I see no other way of doing it and the manual skips right over it all in any meaningful way. There may be other ways to do it, but that's what we did here recently when we did some live stuff. For the studio of course its no problem. I hope this helps you a little. I am btw going to rate the product down to 8 from 10 because of this. But it's still a good pedal for the money there is no doubt.
101:48 what is the patch? sounds nice and your playing is very nice!
To be honest I really don't remember... but I'm going to use that on something I'm on right now - it did sound cool... and it was a FACTORY patch for sure.
Hi! Can i use same time gk midi and jack signal bolt?
Honestly! I cannot remember - that video was some while back - 12 Aug 2014!
Great video Tony as always. I think I like your t-shirt better though and want one :p
Only just found this post (TH-cam keeps bringing them!) so sorry I did not answer at the time. Stay safe...
“Dual Sync… I thought it was something to do with a kitchen but I’m wrong!”
:) indeed :) Thanks..
Tony how would the sound change if a person just ran this straight into a guitar amp rather than thru a PA? Of course the amp has it own tonality and settings but I can't run thru a PA. Are you using a PA instead of an amp for stereo effects or does it just sound better that way? Great videos by the say, very helpful!!!
+jay scanlan You can push it to an amp of course and the tone will change, use the output marked 'mono' and you can use a regular amp on the clean channel. These sort of things often don't like a PA so it seems there's a speaker emulator somewhere in the unit (I have not checked further). They don't say you can't use an amp and it is shown in the 'setup' in the manual. The PA is if you're using it live and have that ability to do so - that's why I mentioned it. But is does sound really cool in stereo or mono too. Glad you liked the video. Check my review of the SY-300 as that needs no interface... you plug in and it just works although its slightly different.
I like concept of getting typical "keyboard" patches and samples with GR-55, on other hand this one seems a LOT cheaper, it is 2/3 if not less of GR-55 price so I don't know, maybe I should just by normal keyboard/ electric piano? GT-001 isn't so bad, it have same software like GT-100 just with less controls, maybe price is too high, GT-001 and GT-100 even have same tone central that you showed for GP-10. About that, I think those extra packs are free because you could make them yourself, you don't buy extre features just patches of other people. I think Line 6 had additional "packs" of effects and amps to buy with their audio interfaces and older multi-effects, no idea how this looks with Pod HD series.
But be careful with this GP-10. There are lots of limitations (depending on what you use it for) that are less obvious even on my review. For example there are no 'banks' so its a convolution of setting up those things in the software like effects per (musical) track played, but there are only 99 spaces in all. We thought (later when we used it in earnest) that you could feasibly set up 10 tracks for live playing with corresponding changes.. so at half gig time you need to load the other 'half' of the show. There's none of that on the GR-55 or indeed the VG-99. But for studio work (which is what I will use it for) its great. Its also good for bedroom guys because of the headphone and aux in sockets. The price IS too high for the GT-001 for sure. Think $150 (£100) and that would be about right I thought, but what they ask is delusional for that product. Your comment of 'less controls' actually sums up the GP-10 perfectly. And they left off the real MIDI port top stop the GP-10 from being decent I reckon... at least that way you could (maybe) have set it up with better control. The way the GP-10 is regarding control is a little disappointing and I'm going to down rate that 10/10 score to 8/10 specifically because of the control side of things. It's one of those shortcomings you don't really notice until you try and use it in a gig or live situation then 'BAM' it's too late and you own it.
Tony, do you think the sound would be different from my VG-99? I bought that years ago but haven't spent alot of time digesting it. This looks alot simpler
I think the VG-99 is better in many ways. Dual processing channels for one... update the software and download the librarian... ;-)
Hi Tony, Great review as always. I used to have a GR-55 but i got rid because it felt like i was trying to land a space shuttle every time i used it.The GP-10 looks a bit more user friendly but are the accoustic emulations any good as i found them a bit lacking on GR-55, and also does it have orchestral patches?
Hi Ian, I also tried a GR-55 and did not get on too well with it, but this GP-10 seems nicer sounding and easier - even if you just use the regular patches they are great. The acoustics are similar to my VG-99 but I have not tried all of them yet. The GP-10 is also great at alternate tunings. On the Orchestra thing, honestly I have not checked them all yet, there were some orchestra like ones, but I'll check further... just get me on another time as its late-ish here and I don't want to trawl it all out tonight :) and thanks for watching.
GP-10 shouldn't have any orchestra samples, they are gone along with piano, sax, flutes, fiddles etc. There are different guitar models, basses, sitar, banjo and synth which seems to be based on old roland/boss analog guitar synth.
wiziek Correct I did not really see any - some were a little deceiving, but in reality they are not there.
***** I guess some of those are mimicking pads with heavy synths, delays or modulations effects?
wiziek Probably... I wizzed through the pedal (time really) and that review still took over three days to compile so sometimes it all goes in one ar and out the other LOL.
by the way, why cant I get the sound of my guitar when I put the selector on guitar (it is mute): I would like to have the choice to pass through my normal pick-ups
Andrea Ferrero You can!... but its not that obvious... you have to feed the guitar output (on the back of the GP-10) to another amp - or at least that's how I remember it at the time... it is weird but there you go...
Andrea Ferrero You can!... but its not that obvious... you have to feed the guitar output (on the back of the GP-10) to another amp - or at least that's how I remember it at the time... it is weird but there you go...
Hey Andrea, I hope you figured it out by now. If you’re still active on this channel, what was the reason you couldn’t hear the direct guitar signal? You had the patch cable connected, correct? You had the volume up on the guitar?
Patch 5 Acoustic sounds blown out, no?
Too long ago man... but thanks for watching.
too long ago but thanks for watching.
thx for this review tony !!! helpfull !!!
Thanks for watching Filip (and check out my comments below as they expand a little about the GP-10.
I will check
Is there a loop funtion on this bit of kit
Unfortunately not...
Thanks Tony
Tony, where did you get the mixed guitar/simulation from?
I believe they are in there as standard or I pulled them from the tone central thing? Thanks...
Can you connect the gr20 or gr33 to gp10 via gk cable?
Well I have never tried that... and I did not actually know that you could... Interesting point but I can't answer that one... anyone else have an idea about this question? It's a great one to ask... Thanks for doing that and of course stay safe.
@@tonymckenzieofficial I'm just thinking this could be a killer combination knowing gp10 has better modeling than the gr55..anyway cheers, I'm subd
Yes its a clever Idea... but I'll dig a little to see what I can find... thanks again and thanks for the sub. Stay safe.
Great video. Can you use this with a Boss GT 1?
I have not tried that but I guess you could. I don't really see any reason why you could not... anyone else any comment on that question? and thanks for watching.
WOW!! Tony thank you so much for your reply. I have asked so many people that question and you are the only one to reply to me. Your the best!!!! Keep the videos coming . Your the only one who breaks things down in easy and fun ways.
Remember Rich I can't guarantee it as I did not check myself. At least I try... as best I can. Thanks.
@@tonymckenzieofficial Thanks Tony. Your the best! Keep the videos coming. You have no idea how many people you are helping.
good as always mate, but don't like the space now, I want to be on earth with tube amps, jejeje nice pedl for people who want to do, new age, orchestra music, trance, progresive and other styles like these,is a interesting pedal and I think you have to spend lot of time if you want to dominate this fantastic piece of this guitar effects processor. Cheers mate.
Ohhh mate sorry I forgot to say, if you want sell the nova sistem (I hope you remenber wich jijiji) im ready to buy that one mate.
I still have the Nova system and if you are interested pm me... The GP-10 can broaden some horizons - I find it good for recording and less good for what it was developed for (which was live gigs). Notice how, on all the Roland Boss videos you see they rarely change patches one after the other just bumping through a song. It's harder to do than just pressing the up/down pedals because you have to load the GP-10 up with effectively what is song lists of sounds. I reckon 10 songs or so, then you will be loading the next batch. Not too good Live...
How much for the tc mate or you going to keep for you
Jejejeje
ON AN ISLAND it's make an offer time :)
👏🏻Excellent📼
Thanks Byron for watching and stay safe.
Should i go for the GR-55 or GP-10?
I have had both. The limitation on the GP-10 is tht there are no 'banks' as you know them. You have to 'set up' the sounds you want via a computer of one kind or another. Apart from that I thought the GP-10 tracked a little better and the tones seemed nicer (but that bit is subjective). I would weigh up the differences as they each have their own good and bad points... and neither unit really 'steals it' from the other in terms of choice.... hope it helps.
***** Thank you Sir for your prompt reply, Iam currently using a Boss ME-25. I would like to upgrade with a Synth Type multi effects. Can i manually edit and store patches (without the help of a computer) in live situations in the GP-10? My preference is definitely the tone quality, MANUAL EDITING. I require it for live gigs. Are there any other similar options?? I guess the GR-55 is more feature rich....inclining towards the GR-55 :-)...Pls suggest..Ohhh..what about GR-20 and GR-33 can the patches be manually edited...
Biraj Das For synth type tones I think the GR-55 is better. Check the GR-55 as I think the GR-10 is probably too cut back in other ways. The 20 and 33 are older and in a different league... the GR-55 I think beats both of those with tracking/sound.
Thank you...i think i will go for the GR-55..meanwhile browsing your site..very informative..is there any review on vox/ehx analog multi effects vs. Digital guitar multi effects
Biraj Das Sorry I have not reviewed that one...
very good video, informative but funny!
Thanks.
tony oh god what is that. last time i got into a processing pedal was the digitech rp1 and i still own my rp10 but i never went for boss products always felt cheated when i tried one but that's my opinion. plus you could probably pickup a rp10 for 60 bucks or about 32 pounds off ebay and have a real analogue pedal digital always sounded fake to me
I have friends who used them for years... some really good guitarists. There is no doubt that the RP series sounded good (especially with that guy playing) but he later changed the pedal for something else after using it for years to record. For me they were a little tinny. For him his perfect match. But this pedal is not really designed to be competing with the RP stuff. Think of it as a unit for live work, but since the review I see that there are no patches so you have to use it in a funny way with limitation for live work. It will be downgraded from 10 by me subsequently because of that. But it does have some good tones. The software was particularly good and extremely easy to use once you spent 30 mins with it.
thank you for the reply. yes the early RP stuff competes even today with the new stuff i think the rp 20 was the last from digitech before they went for our wallets rather than sound. total ripoffs. but those where the times when other companies where pumping out crap and digitech had to compete so quality went downhill. can't believe my rp10 is over 20 years old and still kicks ass. now remember people you get what you pay for in muti effects and synth pedals. if it's cheap you can guarantee it is cheaply made somewhere. my pedal brand new was pretty close to 1000 dollars so you can see the price point compared to a 60 dollar cheapy. this pedal had some nice tones but didn't make me say i'll hang up my rp 10 for it.
have fun on your vacation
rigamrts I know what you mean... and there are some shortcomings in the GP-10 when using it for live stuff... not obvious until you use one after a few days the penny drops and you realise its harder to do what you really want to in a gig. Watch this space I might even add another little short Vid on the GP-10.
rigamrts Sure will I need it.
No midi in for patch change control...bogus
+Sclsnj Nj Thanks for that snippet.
I wish boss would dump cosm
But what would they replace it with?
Boss should partner up with a different amp modelling company and license their tech or buy a smaller company like Positive Grid and use their amp modelling. COSM has always been crap and even if it were light years better all the sudden maybe people would be put off by the name.
I actually like single pedals but for a multi, I would just take the whole amp sim out!! not all multis have this :) I think they should just focus on the effects and then leave it to the guitar player to choose what amp they use the units with. I've heard COSM type stuff on high end tube amps! sound like crap! effects are best to work with an amp not try and be an amp :) Ive known guitars players that have been some dumb!! using a marshal stack sim into an amp with an 8 inch speaker and think it sounds amazing?? just be logical! if you want to sound like a stack! invest in a stack! its the only way you will get that sound :) COSM is marketing tool
If you use a real nice sounding tube amp etc. you wont give a damn about any COSM system :)
I've been pretty happy with the Line 6 spider valve mkii and the DT25. Both have tube power sections designed by Bogner