DIY CNC mill progress: Motor brake connection, AC servos first run

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  • @engineerdiy4500
    @engineerdiy4500 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi there i have the same controller but i can only access the bios and some other menu the udisk seems wiped. How can i recover or restore the original cnc controll software. I dont have a usb with the original files. Where can i optain this. Thank you in advance

  • @abrehamgebremikael1305
    @abrehamgebremikael1305 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Tinkering Nerd, do you happen to have a picture of your wiring? (like the Filter and the other stuff?) it would also be nice if you could do a video on basic use of the Adtech controller. Cheers,

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello, thanks for your interest and subscription. As far as wiring goes, I went with diagrams suggested in the manuals for controller and servo drives. In the future, I will go in more details on how I did it.
      Currently, I seem to get sunk in the constant vortex of either not having time, money, or some other random stuff that takes priority over what I enjoy doing (tinkering :-))
      Soon as I muddle through this mess, more videos about CNC will be coming out, stay tuned. Cheers

  • @kmcwhq
    @kmcwhq 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You post very cool and interesting videos!

  • @HISSTECHCNC
    @HISSTECHCNC 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which filter did you use for 24vdc power?

  • @firukk
    @firukk 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello
    Which CAM program do you use? Is there a special post processor for this controller?

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I intend to use masterCam. As of now, not sure about the post processor.

  • @johnlocke9609
    @johnlocke9609 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also, I have another question, even on step/dir mode the braking system turns on automatically? I mean when I send the signal, the brake will release the motor by turning on the coil? I can't try it disconnecting the motor right? because it would have an error with the encoder? Omg! I just don't want to burn the thing. Also the polarity of the coil is important right? I read it in the manual. But the translation is not very good. And I'm not that savvy in electronics.

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As the seller told me, the brake only engages when system/servo is off. Otherwise, brake stays disengaged (energized) and hold of the motor is executed electrically, by the servo drive. As far as polarity, can’t remember right now, will have to look at it.

    • @johnlocke9609
      @johnlocke9609 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TinkeringNerd Thank you very much for your fast response, and already helping answer! I'll try my best to upload all the information and do what I can before touching anything haha! Very excited about this! Many, many thanks, This was driving me crazy. I'll try to do this in the following days!

  • @tjmirandaservicos5692
    @tjmirandaservicos5692 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello congratulations on the video you inspired me to assemble my first cnc router, I acquired the cnc9040 and 2 servos of 1 Kw, a question, you have to pass the installation scheme or photos, how much would this help cost? Thanks

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for watching and for your kind words. Unfortunately, I have not made progress on this machine, yet. But, it is sure coming. When I make any, a video about it will be posted, inevitably.
      Cheers.

  • @ericpinto9091
    @ericpinto9091 ปีที่แล้ว

    did the motor need fine tuning to communicate the controller to servo driver .

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  ปีที่แล้ว

      I did play a little bit with accel/decel and speed settings in the controller to get the machine to move swiftier, but no sophisticated tuning was necessary in my case.

  • @rojherlaguna3729
    @rojherlaguna3729 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Regards
    I need to control 5 servo motors and drivers from my computer, what motion controller card recommends me to retrofit my vertical milling machine to a CNC machine and with what software does it work?
    1. AC SERVO MOTOR HF-SP102 MITSUBISHI (01) Axis X
    INPUT 3AC 125V 5.3 A
    OUTPUT 1 Kw - 2.000 rpm
    SERVODRIVER - MITSUBISHI
    MODEL: MR-J3-100A (Analog)
    POWER: 1KW
    INPUT: 5.0 A 3PH+1PH200-230V 50/60 Hz
    OUTPUT: 170 V 0-360Hz 6.0 A
    2. AC SERVO MOTOR HF-SP152 MITSUBISHI (01) Axis Y
    INPUT 3AC 126V 8.0 A
    OUTPUT 1.5 Kw - 2.000 rpm
    SERVODRIVER - MITSUBISHI
    MODEL: MR-J3-200A (Analaog)
    POWER: 2KW
    INPUT: 10.5 A 3PH+1PH200-230V 50/60 Hz
    OUTPUT: 170 V 0-360Hz 11.0A
    3. AC SERVO MOTOR HC-SF202 MITSUBISHI (01) Axis Z
    INPUT 3AC 138 V 11A
    OUTPUT 2.0 Kw - 2.000 rpm
    SERVODRIVER - MITSUBISHI
    MODEL: MR-H200TN
    POWER: 2.0 KW
    INPUT: AC200V - 230 V 50/60Hz
    OUTPUT: 10A
    Thank you
    --
    Ing. Rojher Laguna
    rojher.laguna@gmail.com

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for your question. Here, you have two main options: go with a breaker board (there are plenty to choose from) and computer with Mach3, or standalone CNC controller, like shown in this video. Both options provide step/dir signals for servo drives. Unless I’m missing something, I don’t see where on a vertical mill can you use 5 servo motors.
      Best.

  • @tushargajbhiye6487
    @tushargajbhiye6487 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi sir
    Is your brake motor temperature rise up after 1/2 hour of working??
    Please reply

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I never noticed any unusual temperature rises. Do you supply the correct voltage to your brake coil?

    • @tushargajbhiye6487
      @tushargajbhiye6487 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes sir, i have order same motor as you used, i have observed temp rised of brake motor after time. Please notice it and reply

  • @kmcwhq
    @kmcwhq 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello are the drives difficult to tune? Is there software for tuning, if not how is it accomplished? Thank you.

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello, thanks for the question. The drivers were sent to me all wired up and ready to go. I didn’t need software to get them going. Driver settings include different presets for different motors.

    • @kmcwhq
      @kmcwhq 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TinkeringNerd Thanks for the info, I like the prices but am apprehensive about them

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s fine. I, personally, was never a fan of stepper motors (noise, skipped steps, etc.). Servos make so much more sense to me.
      I guess, it’s a matter of preference.
      Cheers.

  • @wolfmanndesigns
    @wolfmanndesigns 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    did you tuning on the drivers

  • @josephjario
    @josephjario 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, i'm interested of building a cnc machine, do you have any suggestion for manual book guidance or maybe video how to do it...? Thanks

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Joseph Jario I personally only use Internet as my guide and inspiration. Try cnczone.com
      There are a lot of very knowledgeable people and informative forums.

  • @kamsson
    @kamsson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello, I have such servos, translation to racks.
    I can't set parameters, constant jerking.
    machine geometry okay.
    maybe someone will help.
    greetings

  • @eleventeenmachine5991
    @eleventeenmachine5991 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you ever finish this project? And what was the cost? I have a Bridgeport that I want to convert to cnc. If that stuff works I would get one asap.

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry, haven’t gotten there, yet. These may not be the best choose for an industrial high production environment(mostly due to connectors and cables), but, for a home shop they are just the thing to have, in my opinion.

    • @eleventeenmachine5991
      @eleventeenmachine5991 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TinkeringNerd that's ok. I'm not ready for any kind of production right now. More interested in learning to draw and program a cnc.

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s hard to beat this set, then. Keep us posted on your progress, or if you find some alternative to these motors/controller.
      Cheers.

  • @wernerberry7800
    @wernerberry7800 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I Buddy looking forward to watching your CNC progress but for now can you let me know what motors you desided to go with and whom you got them from? Links to there site?
    Thanks for sharing, have a great day!

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Werner Berry thanks! You will find links to these products in my first video of this series: "DIY CNC mill controller...from China unpacking". Thanks again and stay tuned.

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice channel you have there! Maybe, when I grow up, I'll have a channel like yours :-)

  • @tushargajbhiye6487
    @tushargajbhiye6487 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir please share cnc spindle plus vfd connection with 4640 cnc controller

  • @anouararoua955
    @anouararoua955 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello everyone
    does the editing require an electronic knowledge? is the record sufficient to connect all the instalation?THANK YOU IN ADVANCE

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Anouar Aroua when you say editing, do you mean editing of the existing g-code program? If yes, then NO specific electronics knowledge required to edit programs. Some basic knowledge is always a plus though.
      Also, when you say record, do you mean manuals for the drive/controller? If yes, then YES, one can make all necessary connections if the person has basic electrical (and electrical safety) knowledge.

  • @izimalta
    @izimalta 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi there , I couldn't find anymore videos on your project... What happened? Thank you , I was very curious if you are satisfied with you kit that you have bought . Thank you

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi. Thanks for your interest. I’m stuck doing bunch of side projects. The DIY CNC mill project is still in the making, please stay tuned for updates. Cheers.

  • @johnlocke9609
    @johnlocke9609 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello TN! I have watch several times this video, I have the same motors, just a little bigger one of them 1.5kw, I haven't been able to make this little circuit yet. I'll do everything in the video, and make the proper connections, would you be willing just to look at them? I wont take too much of your time, I'll upload a video and explain what I did understood. Because I don't want to ruin this expensive servo and I haven't found another video like yours. I will be so glad if you could help out. Thanks in advance!

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hello, sure, I’ll take a look and hopefully be able to help.

  • @tushargajbhiye6487
    @tushargajbhiye6487 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi sir
    Do you have any idea how to wire this controller with spindle?

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tushar Gajbhiye to be honest, I still haven’t gotten around to work on my CNC machine. If I’m not mistaken, this controller can output both (or at least one of) 4-20mA and 0-10VDC analog signals which can be used to control rpm of the spindle drive.

    • @tushargajbhiye6487
      @tushargajbhiye6487 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can talk about xS6 digital out pin?

  • @KleberFadini
    @KleberFadini 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    about this kit you bought, I would like a kit like that. I saw that you were going to do something with them but you haven't done it yet! are you interested in selling this kit? I am from Brazil.

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m pretty sure you can buy same components for less than what I paid for them. I’m not done with my kit, yet.
      Cheers

  • @telelaci2
    @telelaci2 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I donno what are you going to build but it will be a monster with those motors. You forgot to talk about your design. What is it, a mill ? It seems an industrial size machine, and you build it by hand for home use ?
    What kind of rails, ballscrews, spindle, will you use, how will you build the body. These servos are just really small part of the project, almost the most simple parts.

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +telelaci2 thank you for your comment. You're right, this my machine may turn out to be slightly overpowered. For preliminary calculations I had in mind a 50kg spindle + z-axis moving with 1g accelerations. The entire gantry assembly will be well over 100kg. The design aspect of it is still in making for I'm going to be using what's available for the frame components. I am aiming at using something like 3x6 rectangular steel pipe, or bigger, filled with liquid stone or something.. Stay tuned for more videos :)

  • @abdultabrezkhan334
    @abdultabrezkhan334 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does servo drive need different different parameter for xyz or the same parameter

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it depends on your motors and the environment the motors work in (pre-load, inertia, required acceleration, etc)

  • @erenkaya5371
    @erenkaya5371 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Following you with this control and wondering further videos. Thank you. Is that control capable of calibrating the axis? I mean, if use some motion transfer system (like gears), calibrating the axis will always be a need.

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Eren Kaya still not entirely sure what a calibration of axis would look like. However, you could set any gear ratio as well as any travel distance per revolution in the settings.

    • @erenkaya5371
      @erenkaya5371 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tinkering Nerd, that was what I asked. I guess travel distance per revolution and gear ratio would suffice. Thank you.

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Eren Kaya Sure! Thanks for your questions and comments!

  • @What-is-thehandle
    @What-is-thehandle 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you give up on using this system? Ive been watching for an update.

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      My biggest obstacle would be a mountain of obstacles and monetary constrains. This system is sitting on the bench, waiting for its turn. Hopefully, my audience is patient enough to see this project come through.
      Cheers.

    • @khanhphaminh1175
      @khanhphaminh1175 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TinkeringNerd hi. I'm thinking about building a cnc with Arduino and sepper motors with brake. Can you show me how to connect a stepper motor with brake to Arduino board (or to CNC shield or ramps)? Thank you.

  • @ultraplacid
    @ultraplacid 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    NICE! I bought ADTECH also. Been sitting for a year now no time to start project as yet. Looking for some inspiration from your build though.
    All the best to you

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Dirk Thomas thanks! Time is really short! So is the budget :-)
      Will be pushing to get everything done!
      Stay tuned.

  • @Devils_Claw
    @Devils_Claw 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    U dont post the important parts.Any reason?

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Which important parts?

  • @717Fang
    @717Fang 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks like schematic is done by using GOST 2.701-84 :-)

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’re probably not far from truth :-)

  • @tushargajbhiye6487
    @tushargajbhiye6487 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello sir,
    Can you share me limit switch wirring or servo motor limit wirring ( soft limit)

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      As of now, limit switches are not wired up. All I had to do to make motors move, is to set limits as soft limits in the controller settings. I can set any position as home, or zero, and start from there..

  • @vanessabaked9275
    @vanessabaked9275 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    New subscriber!

  • @proengeleceng6861
    @proengeleceng6861 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video Thank you..........

  • @cv.kanigorojayasteel405
    @cv.kanigorojayasteel405 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice vidio, where did you get that,,?

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +as39ad ali thanks :-)
      I bought it on AliExpress, please look for links in my "CNC Controller.. unpacking" video description. Cheers.

    • @cv.kanigorojayasteel405
      @cv.kanigorojayasteel405 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tinkering Nerd whether already installed g code software inside the cnc cotroller..?

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +as39ad ali do you mean a g-code file from a USB? No, at this point I just tried to manually input few g- commands, and it's working as expected.

  • @CATZTIMBER
    @CATZTIMBER 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Morning Can you help me setup up a Adtech controller on my home build CNC. I have most of it done. Thank you.

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I could give it a try and learn it with you :-)

    • @CATZTIMBER
      @CATZTIMBER 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      How far are you with your project

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve done a lot of brain work (anticipation, contemplation), but nothing really to show, or else I’d post an update video.

    • @CATZTIMBER
      @CATZTIMBER 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a working machine but I don't like the controller it is a DDCSV1.1

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think I’ve seen some videos about it. One video being from BrainRight if I’m not mistaken.. those look like cute little controllers :-)
      Where did you buy your Adtech? What model is it?

  • @rokag3332
    @rokag3332 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did anyone understand the parameter coin ?
    It say position complete; it will be nice to take this signal combine it with the "OK" of GRBL to authorize my other arduino to send the next Gcode
    unfortunately I did not understand how it work (and can it work in step dir mode ?)
    About the step resolution, in my example I say 4.5 micro is ok for wood, many will say this is stupid 1/10th mm is enough
    Well nothing is immediate in real life, and there is a gap between the wanted position and the actual position (and basically it is the principle of .servo)
    0.1mm is equal to 100 micro with a step of 4.5 micro this is only 22 steps at full speed it is much too small (empirically I will say that below 50 steps alarms will be triggered very often
    The parameters to define the max amount of errors before to trigger alarm is
    P15 in order to trigger alarm put it to a low value (5 or 10) and send a great acceleration
    Normally a good controller must act very fast and use the original signal of the encoder (here 2500x4) so an internal step for a 5 mm ball screw is 500 nano meter; in this case 0.1 mm of mistake represent 200 internal steps.
    experience will tell !
    if the limit is reached the signal alarm will be triggered (3 and 4 on CN1 connector) and the alarm will be 04 (any one know how to get the alarm number ?) a pulse should be send (14 on CN1 connector) to clear the alarm
    I will make my tests
    It seem that the electronic engineer are not master to write documentations

  • @bhabanisahoo8593
    @bhabanisahoo8593 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Contact details and total price of this kit

    • @bhabanisahoo8593
      @bhabanisahoo8593 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      My mob no +919853215448

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Um..
      thank you for your interest. Try and see if links in this video description still work:
      th-cam.com/video/dDxyaoYXxY4/w-d-xo.html
      I’m not a seller or distributor of this product, the video is just my hobby.
      Cheers.

    • @bhabanisahoo8593
      @bhabanisahoo8593 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Price details

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I negotiated a deal with the seller, back two years ago. I’m sure your price will be different than mine. What I paid is not important, anymore. I wish you best of luck.
      Ask for Kevin Lee there, he might help you better.

  • @seimela
    @seimela 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i want to use MACH 3 .... it is possible ?

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +shand seimela I am pretty sure Mach3 is not necessary with this setup. All that needed is whatever CAM software you use, save it on USB stick as g-code instructions file, plug into this controller and you're good to go.

    • @seimela
      @seimela 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      im familiar with Mach 3 ....i want to use this for plasma cutting 4 axis plasma im not sure that this setup will allow me

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +shand seimela this particular controller can be used with up to 4 axis'. There are other options to choose from for different applications (4+ axis', lathe). It also allows user to set all necessary parameters, offsets, backlashes, tools, g-code modifications, etc. It can also operate a tool changer. It is a definite step up from using a Mach3. When using this controller, there is no need to have a computer next to your CNC.

  • @rokag3332
    @rokag3332 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have Adtech QS 7AA020M and I am making a small demo with GRBL
    It work very nicely
    Things you must do
    enter the password universal this is a little bit tricky -
    at power up you have r 0
    press mode one time
    Now you must have P 1
    press enter
    Now you must have 0
    press inc tll you read 1.0
    press inc till you read 1.00
    press inc till you read 1.000
    press mode you read 1000. (the dot is important)
    press inc one time 1001.
    press mode you read 100.1
    press inc one time 101.1
    press mode you read 11.11
    press inc one time 11.11
    press enter it will blink
    now you can change the parameters of your adtech
    you need the lines pulse + and pulse- they are called STEP in casual language , you can enter directly with your Arduino 5V since it is an optocopler with a led and a 220 ohms included It will probably work (keep a short cable) BUT TO INSTALL IN YOUR MACHINE USE A differential line driver I have old 75174 that make the job nicely but newer chips will work too
    You need the sign+ and sign- they are called DIR in casual language, you can enter directly with your Arduino 5V since it is an optocopler with a led and a 220 ohms included It will probably work (keep a short cable) BUT TO INSTALL IN YOUR MACHINE USE A differential line driver I have old 75174 that make the job nicely but newer chips will work too
    Since the encoder is 2500 lines it makes 10000 points per revolution GRBL can drive at 40KHZ max so 40000/10000*60 240 RPM LOLOLOL
    so you must change that and you can with the parameters P12 and P13
    Let's take GRBL at 30KHZ our motor 600W run at 3000RPM or 50 RPsec this is 600 steps per sec for 30khz or 800 at 40khz
    A servo must work faster to give his power and a time belt avoid coupler!
    let's imagine a ball screw with a pitch of 5mm (5mm per turn)
    let's imagine a speed of displacement of 8 meters/min (it's pretty fast)
    this is (8000/5 )/60 =26.66 RPsec so the ratio should be 26.66/50 =0.532
    normalized it give a motor pulley of 30 teeth and axis pulley of 56 ratio 0.54
    600/0.54=1111.11 positions for 5mm (better to be smarter in your choice) or 4.5 micro per step enough for wood machine for metal 1micro is a minimum
    Lets parameter P12 and P13
    1/1 give 10000 to have 600 steps makes 16.6666 lets take 16.6 we can write it 5/83 it make 602 steps
    let's go in P12
    press enter
    type inc till you have 83
    press enter
    type inc you are in
    P13
    press enter
    type inc till you have 5
    press enter
    job done
    in P4 type 0 (external pulse input)
    in p5 type 1 (enable control invalid)
    in p10 type 3 or 0 if you use a line driver
    it should work
    to save ....read the doc

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello, and wow! Thank you for your interest and this information. You left me speechless here :-)
      Maybe, when I grow up, I’ll be able to process it all..

  • @SuperDenisGl
    @SuperDenisGl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Товарищ вы откуда?
    Очень интересный акцент.
    Почему такие странные моторы решили использовать.?

    • @TinkeringNerd
      @TinkeringNerd  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Родом я оттуда :-)
      Поясните, что странного? Моторы как моторы..

  • @mutalbsalh8770
    @mutalbsalh8770 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi