Rassie is the best and the envy of every other world rugby coach, Rassie sets the trend with innovation and a master tactician. He surrounds himself with subject matter experts, this team will get better and better. At least he was recognized with a Doctorate.
For me Tonyball has brought enhanced ballhandling and running skillsets to all players, especially the forwards, and secondly keeping the opposition guessing because we are creating so many options on and off the ball. The 2010-2015 AB´s were super succesful because the skillset of every player was incredible.
Always nice to listen to the 2 of you especially after a Boks game.Educating us about a variety of critical aspects in World, National and Local rugby in a very unique way...loves the humour coupled with professional and mature debate.May you have a safe and blessed 🙌 Festive season with your family and friends God bless 💝🎊🌈🇿🇦💯🔥Boks by ten...and more💪🎊🌍🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🏆🏆🏆🏆🏈👑😊
If we played the Mbombela squad barring injury for every game this year we would have put everyone to the sword but at the cost of burning out an aging squad.. We have to take the patchy performances for now in hope that we'll build a super deep team that will go beyond the next world cup .. I honestly like our odds.
Rassie will have to win the Superbowl with the current Cowboys squad to stand a chance of winning any recognition in World rugby ... Rassie is pushing for WORLD GREATEST COACH already so we are good over here!!!! 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
@@myshepspud1 jeez you're not missing out on much, they are pretty much equivalent to Wales at this point.. Quarter back is out for a while due to injury and they were horrible even then, mighty Cowboys.😂
World Rugby clearly want to be as "inclusive" as possible. (1) PSDT absolutely agree, (2) Satiti absolutely agree, (3) how was Rassie not coach of the year?! (4) as great a he is, how does DuPont win when he selectively decides when to play when other sevens players put their hearts and souls into the 7´s circuit. Would SA have won gold if Kolbe and Arendse also decide to go to the Olympics? Miscariage of justice, Rassie not being coach of the year, Ox not nominated for PoTY.
When Zels compares the stats from the RWC France game and the last game vs Wales, he needs to remember that it took 5yrs to get the Boks where they were in 2023, and that we’re only 1yr into the new investment.
Thanks for another great show guys, infact ya'll been feeding us great content this whole year, complimenting this great Bok season we've just. Thank you! 👊 Boks by 10 and more forever 🏈🏆🇿🇦
I agree with the alternative TB option in the Boks play. We have not seen the Boks putting the perfect game because of the creation of depth in the squad. When 50 players have the skills to execute the 2/3 alternative game plans and are comfortable with it, then no team in the world will beat us in the next 10 years!
Another benefit of tonyball is less wear and tear on the players from playing the direct approach week in week out. And don't underestimate the enjoyment the players are getting from it. PSDT recently said he's loving playing in the outside channels. This enjoyment has a positive effect on the rest of his and the other players' performances.
I actually prefer it. Think of it guys when we used to get the wrong rub of the green (think around 2011) and it seemed like referees were actively against us from the south and THEN the north when we went up north.. Because of our perceived "dirty play", "negative" rugby. They all smiled when we won 2019 because it was a surprise. Like oh SA little bro, you got beaten by Japan- now you're here.. Good for you. Then last year it's a begrudging well, 3 1+ wins.. They must have character. This year, the first year I've heard most pundits say World Champions and really mean it. I've watched NZ, English, an Aussie and Welsh YT channel and they without reservation give us due praise. That all preludes to now. Do we want to be a silent deserving champion, or one that's in everyone's face about what we deserve. Count it as a blessing he didn't get coach of the year. He's already gone from nemesis to WR with his approach to the game to (Like Tom Brady in SuperBowl 51 if you know you know) having to hand him the trophy last year. I like how people refer to us now. The reality though is eventually everyone turns against a constant winner so may as well have the moments others know you the best- know you should've got the award but didn't- under your belt. Like a Di Caprio.
Zels comparing world cup games vs using over 50 players in an international season Winning 11 out of 13 games . We have been looking for a Springbok team to perform outside of a World Cup and now we have it
I think with all the law changes a certain amount of evolution in play style is a must. The RWC is also in Australia on dry tracks (usually). And the final point, we need to secure investment and being a likeable team that can do some flashy stuff helps win over more fans and sell merchandise etc.
A Champion MUST HAVE a FULL toolbox. Like Muhammed Ali who sometimes did "rope-a-dope" etc and very little real boxing but then he would SUDDENLY EXPLODE with a dizzy array of punches. That is how the BOKS should play, depending on the opposition.
Hey guy's first time commenting on this show, love this show! And humor you guys bring... they are anti Rassie because Rassie beats teams with with their ever changing rules and laws... He's in their head and they dislike it with a passion... There'll be monuments, stadiums, and probably airports named after Dr Rassie Erasmus!
we are 3 years away from the next world cup, and therefore I can see the logic in developing a team that can adjust year by year to peak in 2027 with game plans that can be used for each of the 3 knockout matches....I hope they get it right. I only concern is the state of the aging boks by 2027, whether they will still be performing...
outside of scrums and lineouts, SA forwards and backs are becoming interchangeable in play. that is formidable and what tonyball seems to really be about, no?
😂😂😂😂😂 absolutely! Mark it is absurd, and even ridiculous. Considering picking 51 players this season alone, that's almost three different squads all together and still win at a near perfect rate. It reeks of anti Rassie syndrome and don't even get me started on Ox not even nominated for player of the year
Zel ...i think the reason you were struggling to answer Marks "top 3 performances" by the boks is....'Tony Ball' 😂 not giving the complete game. More expansive means more errors. I agree with Mark in that the game against Argentina to win Rugby Championship was #1. Keep up the good work.
These awards do not pass the smell test, and the French rugby public is upset that we are telling them the truth about how that 7s coach and Antoine DuPont do not deserve their awards.
there are 2 positions i feel have been neglected #4 and #12, we cant depend on etzebeth and de allende forever, and there seems to be no younger guys coming through
What about Julius? I haven't watched much of the Sharks of late but in Bok u20 highlights he looked promising. I'd argue Esterhuizen but he's older now.
No Zels, I disagree with regards to the Tonyball return. What score line would you have been happy with against Wales to be convinced by the effectiveness of Tonyball? We could have easily scored another 4 or 5 tries if we were more clinical.
Dmac is a crazy pick at 10, because when he has started at 10 the ABs have looked a tick below what they should. They look miles better when Beaudy starts at 10
The French 7s coach has coached his team for a few years now and the French 7s team has been mediocre until 2024. All of a sudden this year France 7s fantastic and they pin it on this unknown French coach? Maybe, just maybe, it had nothing to do with this coach and more to do with a certain French scrummie playing 7s this year.
Don't be so hard on the Boks. Rassie made the most changes between tests possible without losing. Its gonna get better. Tony B said he is not going to change the SA DNA but just add another layer to our attack.
No man guys don’t be biased! 😂 I’m a saffa - but Lomax, Doris, Gibson Park deserve it! Great players and have been in good form. Lomax was superb against us. Doris was awesome against the boks too and every game after. The boks are good but it’s a great time to watch rugby because there are so many world class players out there who could have made this team.
As youse mentioned : With Rassie NOT being awarded * Coach Of The Year * by the arbs of World Rugby is INDEED a compliment; being the exact same as these-a days NOT being nominated to or installed into * The Rock-n-Roll Hall Of Fame * for musicians ! Like WR; that House Of Ill-Repute has also degenerated into a meaningless DEI gemors; trying to be everything to everybody and therefore utterly detracting from the status of such an accolade ! Yeah : Rassie has the sword AND South Africa as back-up behind him ! 🤙✊️👊💫💥🏉🇿🇦
Zels... Tonyball is more watchable than Warrenball. I will give it to you that our defense structure has shown cracks. Remember the old 50over cricket games when a score of 220 was the target. These days they score the same amount of runs in 20overs. Aim big win big. Whatever happens next year remember Jacques will be back in 2027 and the Boks will pull their oxwagens back into formation
Yes. 6 and half hour surgery in Stellenbosch. Doc says his Rugga days are over 💁♀️... hip bone used to replace neck vertebrae... Kitsoff full of smiles ... says 'watch this space' ...
Against popular belief, what has Rassie done in 2024 to make him deserving of winning the title Coach of the Year? He's inherited a squad/team from Jacques Nienabar who was the 'actual' coach during the Springboks last World Cup cycle. Yes Rassie was involved heavily, but he wasn't the head coach, so he can't be credited for anything during that cycle (Assistant coach, 100%). Yes his winning percentage is super good, but outside of that, what has he done? Other than a few trick plays, which may or may not have been his to begin with. Yes he's brought in Tony Brown, who despite popular belief again hasn't transformed the Springboks as much as people like to believe, but that still doesn't place him in Coach of the Year status. Also, whatever Tony Ball is, it doesnt work. This is my opinion of course, my reason for saying that is during the Rugby Championship, Malcom Marx and PSTD were the Springboks highest try scorers. A flanker and a reserve hooker. If Tony Ball is all about running rugby and using players outwide and developing skill sets, then it's not off to a very good start.
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Rassie did not get the coach of the year, because he is actually the best coach of all time!
Well said!
😂😂😂😂😂 absolutely! So much that he was even honored with a doctorate
Well if he and the boks could get three,in a row,he DEFINITELY will b the best coach of all time!👌👍💯💯💪🤝🇬🇧🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Well said ❤
Rassie is the best and the envy of every other world rugby coach, Rassie sets the trend with innovation and a master tactician. He surrounds himself with subject matter experts, this team will get better and better. At least he was recognized with a Doctorate.
For me Tonyball has brought enhanced ballhandling and running skillsets to all players, especially the forwards, and secondly keeping the opposition guessing because we are creating so many options on and off the ball. The 2010-2015 AB´s were super succesful because the skillset of every player was incredible.
Too true about keeping them guessing. Before we all knew they would bash it up even if we were yelling for the 12 to pass.
Rassie vir President !!!!!
Always nice to listen to the 2 of you especially after a Boks game.Educating us about a variety of critical aspects in World, National and Local rugby in a very unique way...loves the humour coupled with professional and mature debate.May you have a safe and blessed 🙌 Festive season with your family and friends God bless 💝🎊🌈🇿🇦💯🔥Boks by ten...and more💪🎊🌍🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🏆🏆🏆🏆🏈👑😊
You guys are awesome! The energy, the vibe, the commentary❤🇿🇦🇿🇦. Thankyou❤
Boks midfield is the iron curtain. Thou shalt not pass!
If we played the Mbombela squad barring injury for every game this year we would have put everyone to the sword but at the cost of burning out an aging squad.. We have to take the patchy performances for now in hope that we'll build a super deep team that will go beyond the next world cup .. I honestly like our odds.
Rassie will have to win the Superbowl with the current Cowboys squad to stand a chance of winning any recognition in World rugby ... Rassie is pushing for WORLD GREATEST COACH already so we are good over here!!!! 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
I haven't checked in on the Cowboys this season at all and I already know that's an impossibility. 😅
@@myshepspud1 jeez you're not missing out on much, they are pretty much equivalent to Wales at this point.. Quarter back is out for a while due to injury and they were horrible even then, mighty Cowboys.😂
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I love your namesake Lukhanyo Am!❤
If and when I see him, I will say, "Luke! I am your mother!" I claim him😂 and Fassie ❤.
@@ravenblack7052 funny coincidence, my youngest brother's name is Aphelele.. ❤️😊
@@lukhanyosotyingwa1680 😲☺️ Now tell me you both play rugby?🥲❤
Rassie is the oke awards are going to be named after
7:51 😂😂😂 That Ricky must be from Kraaifontein!!...
World Rugby clearly want to be as "inclusive" as possible. (1) PSDT absolutely agree, (2) Satiti absolutely agree, (3) how was Rassie not coach of the year?! (4) as great a he is, how does DuPont win when he selectively decides when to play when other sevens players put their hearts and souls into the 7´s circuit. Would SA have won gold if Kolbe and Arendse also decide to go to the Olympics? Miscariage of justice, Rassie not being coach of the year, Ox not nominated for PoTY.
Santiago Carreras. Very Underrated player.
Thanks for all the awesome shows this season Lads!
When Zels compares the stats from the RWC France game and the last game vs Wales, he needs to remember that it took 5yrs to get the Boks where they were in 2023, and that we’re only 1yr into the new investment.
Thanks guys - love the show. From your fan club in the Isle of Man.
You Okes are the Spies an Plessis of Rugby shows. Love it!!!
Keo is the elephant in the room based on memory bank skills❤it
Thanks for another great show guys, infact ya'll been feeding us great content this whole year, complimenting this great Bok season we've just. Thank you! 👊 Boks by 10 and more forever 🏈🏆🇿🇦
😂😂😂😂 Jy vat my vir n pop!!!😅😅😅😅
Hilarious, great show, guys!!!😅😅😅😅😂
Rassie is in the head of World Rugby. ....... And they can't handle the Man... Our Best and Proudly Springboks
I agree with the alternative TB option in the Boks play. We have not seen the Boks putting the perfect game because of the creation of depth in the squad. When 50 players have the skills to execute the 2/3 alternative game plans and are comfortable with it, then no team in the world will beat us in the next 10 years!
Zels’ stats must be underscored by the fact that 51 players are learning the system of play.
Meanwhile Antoine Dupont as good as he is gets 7s player of the year for playing 25% of the year
😂
Its a joke
Overrated in 15s too.
Another benefit of tonyball is less wear and tear on the players from playing the direct approach week in week out. And don't underestimate the enjoyment the players are getting from it. PSDT recently said he's loving playing in the outside channels. This enjoyment has a positive effect on the rest of his and the other players' performances.
I actually prefer it. Think of it guys when we used to get the wrong rub of the green (think around 2011) and it seemed like referees were actively against us from the south and THEN the north when we went up north.. Because of our perceived "dirty play", "negative" rugby. They all smiled when we won 2019 because it was a surprise. Like oh SA little bro, you got beaten by Japan- now you're here.. Good for you. Then last year it's a begrudging well, 3 1+ wins.. They must have character. This year, the first year I've heard most pundits say World Champions and really mean it. I've watched NZ, English, an Aussie and Welsh YT channel and they without reservation give us due praise.
That all preludes to now. Do we want to be a silent deserving champion, or one that's in everyone's face about what we deserve. Count it as a blessing he didn't get coach of the year. He's already gone from nemesis to WR with his approach to the game to (Like Tom Brady in SuperBowl 51 if you know you know) having to hand him the trophy last year. I like how people refer to us now. The reality though is eventually everyone turns against a constant winner so may as well have the moments others know you the best- know you should've got the award but didn't- under your belt. Like a Di Caprio.
Forget what they say Rassie will always have the sword and 2xWC
About time gentlemen almost thought we weren't getting a video
They also didn't give best coach to handson in 2015. Absurd that the 2 best rugby teams coaches were both snubbed.
Zels comparing world cup games vs using over 50 players in an international season Winning 11 out of 13 games . We have been looking for a Springbok team to perform outside of a World Cup and now we have it
I think with all the law changes a certain amount of evolution in play style is a must.
The RWC is also in Australia on dry tracks (usually).
And the final point, we need to secure investment and being a likeable team that can do some flashy stuff helps win over more fans and sell merchandise etc.
Skitterend uitstekkend manne🇿🇦
Love these guys and this show..
We are only going to start loosing rather than winning once the current coaching plan/ attitude changes.
I was surprised they didnt give a last minute 50 points to Australia for Harry potter's bravery against Scotland
A Champion MUST HAVE a FULL toolbox. Like Muhammed Ali who sometimes did "rope-a-dope" etc and very little real boxing but then he would SUDDENLY EXPLODE with a dizzy array of punches. That is how the BOKS should play, depending on the opposition.
Hey guy's first time commenting on this show, love this show! And humor you guys bring... they are anti Rassie because Rassie beats teams with with their ever changing rules and laws... He's in their head and they dislike it with a passion... There'll be monuments, stadiums, and probably airports named after Dr Rassie Erasmus!
we are 3 years away from the next world cup, and therefore I can see the logic in developing a team that can adjust year by year to peak in 2027 with game plans that can be used for each of the 3 knockout matches....I hope they get it right. I only concern is the state of the aging boks by 2027, whether they will still be performing...
Baie Goeie Chat! Groete!
Not picking Rassie just give us all another boost 😂
You guys are like seriously funny!!😅
outside of scrums and lineouts, SA forwards and backs are becoming interchangeable in play. that is formidable and what tonyball seems to really be about, no?
What ever Tonyball is, it doesnt work
I think I’ll trust Rassie over Zels. But thanks for the effort.
Those stats don't include player continuity, cause that's the key to Tony ball.
😂😂😂😂😂 absolutely! Mark it is absurd, and even ridiculous. Considering picking 51 players this season alone, that's almost three different squads all together and still win at a near perfect rate. It reeks of anti Rassie syndrome and don't even get me started on Ox not even nominated for player of the year
Hugo Broos is cooking with Bafana. Myekeni please!!
Zel ...i think the reason you were struggling to answer Marks "top 3 performances" by the boks is....'Tony Ball' 😂 not giving the complete game. More expansive means more errors. I agree with Mark in that the game against Argentina to win Rugby Championship was #1. Keep up the good work.
@zels, do you think that the point production will go up when they get more used to the system?
These awards do not pass the smell test, and the French rugby public is upset that we are telling them the truth about how that 7s coach and Antoine DuPont do not deserve their awards.
I guessHaving the option and experience of playing Tonyrugby can be equated to a boxer having the southpaw stance in his arsenal.
I love you guys
Rassie by 10 !!!🎉🎉🎉
Why does the Spotify upload take so long? Love the show. A shamble that Rassie wasn't picked as coach of the year!
lets get some chapters in the vids?
They are still punishing Rassie for that video when he was criticising the refs. World Rugby hasn’t forgotten that.
That French 7s coach has been the coach since 2017! Only reason France won the Olympics is DuPont.
Jou mase....... I laughed so much 😂
Wales should just go on tour next year, they won't have any Lions.
Love it
there are 2 positions i feel have been neglected #4 and #12, we cant depend on etzebeth and de allende forever, and there seems to be no younger guys coming through
What about Julius? I haven't watched much of the Sharks of late but in Bok u20 highlights he looked promising. I'd argue Esterhuizen but he's older now.
If the French sevens coach was coaching the Boks, they would've won 18/13.
We don't need World Rugby to tell us who is the best. 🎉. The Boks 🎉is the best..
Richard Cockerill Georgia head coach.
No Zels, I disagree with regards to the Tonyball return. What score line would you have been happy with against Wales to be convinced by the effectiveness of Tonyball?
We could have easily scored another 4 or 5 tries if we were more clinical.
Dmac is a crazy pick at 10, because when he has started at 10 the ABs have looked a tick below what they should. They look miles better when Beaudy starts at 10
The French 7s coach has coached his team for a few years now and the French 7s team has been mediocre until 2024. All of a sudden this year France 7s fantastic and they pin it on this unknown French coach? Maybe, just maybe, it had nothing to do with this coach and more to do with a certain French scrummie playing 7s this year.
If Sasha is short listed for break out player yet stands behind DMac - belaglik
Rassie's status as the best coach in a generation is strengthened by the fact that he was not awarded and ignored for the irrelevant title.
Isn't the elusive "complete" game just plainly due to the amount of experimentation and rotation?
A giant shift in attack takes time ouens, give Rassie and his assistant coaches a breather, by 2027 other teams will be like..... HELP😂
Springboks will dominate Rugby until Rassie decides to retire.
Don't be so hard on the Boks. Rassie made the most changes between tests possible without losing. Its gonna get better. Tony B said he is not going to change the SA DNA but just add another layer to our attack.
No man guys don’t be biased! 😂 I’m a saffa - but Lomax, Doris, Gibson Park deserve it! Great players and have been in good form. Lomax was superb against us. Doris was awesome against the boks too and every game after. The boks are good but it’s a great time to watch rugby because there are so many world class players out there who could have made this team.
Dupont > Gibson Park
I don’t know how they pick Dmac. I would’ve gone Tomás Albornoz, Handre Pollard or Marcus Smith
Where do you guys annouce the winners of the score prediction
Watch the show... You will see it
The world lives on jealously and envy. Rassie is a good example and he is not going to brake out in a rash over world rugby bullsh1t.
As youse mentioned : With Rassie NOT being awarded * Coach Of The Year * by the arbs of World Rugby is INDEED a compliment; being the exact same as these-a days NOT being nominated to or installed into * The Rock-n-Roll Hall Of Fame * for musicians ! Like WR; that House Of Ill-Repute has also degenerated into a meaningless DEI gemors; trying to be everything to everybody and therefore utterly detracting from the status of such an accolade ! Yeah : Rassie has the sword AND South Africa as back-up behind him ! 🤙✊️👊💫💥🏉🇿🇦
Cant really take stats from two very different games and compare them. Need a bigger data set
Dont stress about Couch of the year award... Rassie will win the COACH OFF ALL TIME in 2027 after his 3rd world cup win in a row. 😮❤😂😅
Please send the Bafana team😂
They would have rather given it to Gatland than Rassie..bloody frogs..
I also said Franco Mostert
No Papa Smurf.
Full beard again immediately.
If not you will lose you rugby memory.
Jy vat my vir a pop!! 😂😂😂
World Rugby vat ons almal vir n pop!! 😂😂😂
Zels... Tonyball is more watchable than Warrenball. I will give it to you that our defense structure has shown cracks. Remember the old 50over cricket games when a score of 220 was the target. These days they score the same amount of runs in 20overs. Aim big win big. Whatever happens next year remember Jacques will be back in 2027 and the Boks will pull their oxwagens back into formation
I can’t stop laughing. WR Jy vat my vir n poes haha 😂
World Rugby got a massive problem with the Bokke!!! And so Anti Rassie They wished Ire,France,Eng was as good as us...
Haha when did Keo turn into Jack Black
Coach of the year? Who? Even googling him wasn’t easy
😂 I know right? It is crazy
😂
My team.
1. Ox
2. Cordie Taylor
3. Lomax
4. Eben
5. I’ll skip this one.
6. Sititi
7. PSDT
8. Doris
9. JGP
10. Albornoz
11. Lowe
12. DDA
13. Kriel
14. Kolbe
15. Tom Wright
Guys any updates on gingers surgery
Yes. 6 and half hour surgery in Stellenbosch. Doc says his Rugga days are over 💁♀️... hip bone used to replace neck vertebrae... Kitsoff full of smiles ... says 'watch this space' ...
@@jeannenewby6063 big loss. Wow. Thanks
Which SOUTHERN African Country beat the All Black's in 1967??????
Against popular belief, what has Rassie done in 2024 to make him deserving of winning the title Coach of the Year?
He's inherited a squad/team from Jacques Nienabar who was the 'actual' coach during the Springboks last World Cup cycle. Yes Rassie was involved heavily, but he wasn't the head coach, so he can't be credited for anything during that cycle (Assistant coach, 100%). Yes his winning percentage is super good, but outside of that, what has he done? Other than a few trick plays, which may or may not have been his to begin with.
Yes he's brought in Tony Brown, who despite popular belief again hasn't transformed the Springboks as much as people like to believe, but that still doesn't place him in Coach of the Year status.
Also, whatever Tony Ball is, it doesnt work. This is my opinion of course, my reason for saying that is during the Rugby Championship, Malcom Marx and PSTD were the Springboks highest try scorers. A flanker and a reserve hooker. If Tony Ball is all about running rugby and using players outwide and developing skill sets, then it's not off to a very good start.
Yet again a super slow and missed Ricky
Lol 😂djy vat my vir n poe? Djy vat my vir n pop😅djy jou me?😂
Dmac… best 10 in the world? He’s not even the best 10 in NZ..
Woord Rugby are an absolute petty joke. They should not be taken seriously. Ever.
That world 15 was a joke. Especially positions 6, 10, 15 and 5.
Jy vat my virre n P .lol