Great video. Would be interested to see the racks you didn't run as this would be much more common for most players including myself. Addressing issues such as what to do when you get stuck without a shot, when do you decide you can't run out and when to stop making balls, strategies for playing safe during all phases of game (beginning, middle, and end), and avoiding one ball hell.
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you for this video I've been a pool video junkie since the early days of Accu-Stats. I would love to see the above poster video suiggestions. With all the 8 ball tapes out there I have never seen a tape that featured player review on a bar table.
@@enjoypool4052 I am working on a couple of videos now dealing with 9-ball runs on a bar box. I will definitely include the full gamut of decision making and run-outs (successful and not). Stay tuned.
Most helpful as always Doc. I have about 60 videos of yours saved in a playlist. You took my game to a much higher level through the knowledge you've shared.
Just the GOAT of pool instruction!! The bar box is certainly different. 9 ball is almost too easy, but 8 ball gets crowded, a player needs pretty precise cueball control to have any real success.
Thank you very much. Very helpful. I prefer the first part with comments, as it's my main motive to play with other people : seeing how they concieve the game- When you look at someone, it's what you can understand depending on your game level. With comments , it taking us to a further level.
I love that you did this Dave! Amateur players should take away a lot from this as most of them play 8ball barbox. Some nice outs. I just joined a league for the first time (APA in my area), and I'm flabbergasted by how many players don't really learn basic 8 ball strategy or practice. Keep it up! Good stuff.
I'd love to see a video of running the same rack layout in different ways, letting us plan how we would play the rack, and then you explore why certain ways of running out are better/easier than others, and what the best pattern would be.
That's a good idea. FYI, I already have lots of advice along these lines in the "Smart Run-Out Pool" video series near the bottom of the page here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-ball-control/ Check them out.
I'm glad to hear it. If you want a lot more help with with strategy and pattern play, check out the videos and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/ and here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-ball-control/ Enjoy, and good luck with your game!
Thanks again for the video. Just so happens that I was practicing breaks on my bar box last night using the head ball only. Today I’ll practice the second ball break. The runout part I’ll have to work on.
Dr.Dave I love watching your videos. If only I had a young man's back to be able to devote myself to the practice I need. Even wearing a back brace, I can only play 6-8 games. I fully understand the need for cue ball control and over the years have given it a lot of thought. It caused me to come up with a new game to play. It would be a rack of fifteen balls broken and run with a cue ball that had accelerometers embedded that would be zeroed out at the start of each game and read for distance traveled at the end of each game. The breaker would continue to shoot until all 15 of the balls in his break were made. The person who had the shortest distance recorded from the cue ball would win. The whole purpose is to teach cue ball control.
I have watched just about all of dr Dave's vids. Love em. I use a cte/shish kabob aim system , it works extremely well for me. Love how Dr dave moves the cue ball around the bar box with always 6,7,or even 8 balls on a bar box. Hard not to move the furniture. Great stuff and thank you.
DAM !! I've seen that b4. Truth is , I was a BB player when young , using ghost ball and pre set ups. And as I am now much older , Using my shish kabob method , and still using a very strict pre shot routine is given me quite a bit more confidence. I can assure you , I will not qualify for the world open 8 or 9 ball championships. Lol Just ABSOLUTELY love the game. And watching your banking 1/3 more than twice , has made me a much stronger banker.
Hi from Madagascar @DrDaveBilliards...I love and watch every single one of your videos.one thing though... Rack 1,first shot,10 ball carom into the solid 3 to top right corner(with your very own 30° rule)...you get the stripes...no need need for the risky 13 jump to the side...easy run out after that 😜
Hello, Dr. Dave. Impressive run outs. I love your videos, i´m learning a lot with them. I´ve been playing for a year now and have improved quite a lot. Just a few things: 1) in rack 7, at 11:39 when you take back your cue to take the shot, you touched the 6 ball with it, that´s a foul, LOL. 2) I´m trying to learn to "read" the table (ball patterns) in 8 ball after the break. In your racks from 6-10 or in your other vids there is no time to see the layout before you took the first hit. I like to pause the vid when all balls stop, see the layout and try to imagine the patterns. So, please, if your make more of these vids, try to wait until the balls remain still and let 1 sec before taking the first shot. Thank you very much and keep all the good work. Greetings from Spain!
DD This really helps out APA and BCA League players because We ONLY play on these 7ft Diamond tables .. I think your on a Valley tho .. Thanks So much ..I play 4 nights a week ..
Yeah , Diamonds play tougher Super fast table .. .. I play at J.O.Bs Billiards Club in Nashville,Tn ... We have like 30 Diamond tables and 3 - 9 ft. Diamonds and 1 Snooker table
It is one thing to be able to create convincing instructional videos. It is another thing entirely to play at the pro level, per the info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/advice/pro/ There are many things on the "list" that I am missing.
Dr Dave ..great video ! I have to say watching you shoot …and breaking out clusters and general high percentage position play … Wagon wheel Baaaaby ! Ha … love to see you practicing what you preach .
good work..... i think most ppl cant believe it because they don't have the knowledge that you do.... trying to get to the top too quickly without learning the fundamentals.... I've been following your videos for 2 years and still trying to do the fundamentals on the table.... also, harder for us in Australia with english tables... the frpzen ball rail shots into corners arent as friendly .... :)
Truly enjoyable!!! Thanks again. A few racks had an "either/or" play with the same result; for the most part, would have played 'em pretty much the same as your choice (probably the wisest too). One of the greatest things about the game is the different ways (choices) to play. If a person were to explain each shot and why ---- Could they? Things would change from there, forcing "ahead" thinking ... or simply "TRAINING". With that -- a person HAS to WANT to get better. Do appreciate what ya do Dr. Dave! Be Safe
Great outs. The fundamentals were solid, which I find to sometime be a challenge on 7 ft tables because of how much easier it is to pocket the balls. There were a couple shots where from the camera angle seemed to be a little questionable as far as a good hit is concerned. During some league or tournament play the tables can be run down and can make it difficult to get a good rack, those outs are "fun".
It's funny because I won a barbox tournament years ago because pretty much all my opponents at the time would clear all open balls and leave the tied up balls last. Then, they would try some infinitesimally small percentage shot on those balls, miss and leave me open balls on the table for me to get out. It's like I stole the tournament not because of players' inability to make shots, but their extremely poor planning. Great video, Doc!
Do you find it difficult switching from a 9 foot table to a bar box and vice versa? Or do you adapt right away to whatever size pool table you shoot on?
Good players easily adapt to any table size and any table conditions. Although, there are differences in play based on table size and type: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/bar-box/
One thing I'd like to mention is that if you're playing 8 ball and using the second ball break and aren't make the fat corner ball. You can either move the cue ball slightly in from the rail or hit a little more outside on the second ball. You'll usually start making the fare corner ball. On a 9 foot table breaking from 2 ball off the rail really seems to make the second ball break work better. It changes the angle of how the corner ball comes off the rack makes it shorten up which sends it into the pocket
@@DrDaveBilliards what I'm saying is break a ball and a half to two balls off the rail on a 9 foot table . Changing the angle you're hitting the second ball will change and throw the far corner ball long which on a big table gives you a chance at making it. But honestly a head ball break does do better on a big table. But there are adjustments you can make to a second ball break to make it work. The real plus is when you are bridging from the table and not the rail you can get better action and hit the rack a lot harder
Rack 3 5:33 Since you made a low on the break, I would need to run out low balls first according to the rules of APA that I currently play(5/6sl). I would slow roll the 7 into the side pocket. Take the cut on the 2 ball next to the left corner pocket (my perspective) with follow to come back up table. Take the 6 next into the same corner pocket with slow follow to shoot the 5 up to the opposite corner with a stop shot. Stop the 3 ball into the side pocket across table. Take the hard cut on the 1 ball. Cross my fingers that the cue ball bumps the stripe that's right there to get it out of the way and keep the cue ball there and the take the 8 into the opposite side pocket for the win. Obviously, these shots work perfectly in my head, and I would probably be out of position by the 3rd or 4th ball and have to come up with a plan B but it's what I see initially. I've often been told that my shot selection can use some work so I would love and appreciate any feedback or alternatives!
DrDave: I LOVE your pool videos. I have several bookmarked and watch them repeatedly. The reason is you not only tell us what to do, but why, which I find interesting and helpful. BUT in this video from rack 6 onwards, you compressed the time too much. I can't digest what you did and why before the the next shot happens. The speed in the other two 8 ball runout videos was better. Keep up the great pool videos!
FYI, if you want to slow down racks 6-15, you can have TH-cam play that part of the video slower. Just select "playback speed" under settings with the gear icon.
I am actually planning work on a "Video Encyclopedia of One Pocket" (VEOP) project for later in the year. This one will be a ton of work, but I am really looking forward to it. It should come out by early next year.
@@DrDaveBilliards wishing you success on project, will to bet you will get right. Friend is OCD on products he sells, he don’t bring anything to market until It’s perfect, as perfect as it can be.
Great run outs. You make the game look easier with your ball selection and skill. Makes me laugh that people say the things that they do. Everyone sees the table different. If it works, it works. If it were easy everyone would be a pro.
Yeah...those looked way to easy...hehehe. Great video as always. Its starting to make sense as an APA 3 😁 so I really appreciate the online coaching n drills Dr Dave.
"Your wish is my command". 😊 I honestly believe that people think some of your videos are too easy because you have such excellent ball control and they don't understand that your positioning is not a matter of luck. In other words, you make it look easy ...... but it isn't.
@2:05 - In APA, I wouldn't be allowed to use a jump cue. So, if I wanted stripes, I would have probably tried the 6-13 combo in the side. This is allowed because the table is still open. I am fairly decent in doing combination shots, but it would depend on your comfort level.
Good evening Sir. Well played! Rack 14 i had to watch a couple of times and was pleasantly surprised with the out! 👏 I will be messaging you soon with a couple of ideas! P.s i still need to order the new t shirt designs! Literally havent been home enough 😞
I thought more people would notice the jump bank in rack 14. I could say I was doing that just to show off, but I would be lying. It was a mistake, but I rolled with it. :)
If your ever around Lakeland Florida come by tbows and try to run out on those barboxes, thry roll straight just slow and can't get a good rack because people continue to bang the head ball and there are divots in the slate. But runouts are frequent on quicker tables with pristine equipmen
I have a thing I was taught by an old straight pool player and it's mostly to do with how your subconscious and conscious play vital roles...in short its what you believe that makes things tough or easy, obviously a shot on the rail on a snooker table is tougher than one cut from the spot but all in all you still have to hit the ball on the line it needs to be on to pocket it. Humidity is a infrequent exponent in your regular pool knowledge, most places are air-conditioned so the "tough" part is the not understanding what is happing and if you practice in Humidity it becomes just another speed table and the main factor is the cue grips the felt faster so small amounts of masse happen and you make, shape or both is awry. After the knowledge is implanted through practice, and this is the gem, it's visualization. I was actually thinking about contacting you with the method I was taught and I think it's right up your alley Dr. And my apologies if I sounded like I was putting your vids down, I love the scientific approach and the time you put in to HELP, rare in this game. But if you would like to know more on this send me a msg and I'll gladly share my knowledge with you. My teacher was like my father I never had and he made me promise not to share with anyone not worthy of the time tenacity amd dedication it takes to be a true student of the game but you obviously have all those and more
Rack 5- All shots were what i would have done. 10:43 is where I had a trouble of deciding where the the 14 would go. I planned to put the 14 in the opposite corner of 11. But I thought of taking the 13 in upper corner where the 9 was put. Slow roll cue to the rail & run the 8 ball in same pocket as 9.
Still too easy Dr Dave. Now do it on a Diamond bar box! Lol jk. Question, isn’t it kinda bad when you have to pivot when down on the shot when using your SAWS method? Like you were already balanced then you pivot your body a bit.
I should probably just jump straight to a snooker table. Better yet, Russian Pyramid Billiards. :) Concerning the SAWS pivots, they don't bother me. I feel just as stable and balanced after the small pivots as I do before the pivots.
Solids for Rack 3 7, 2, 3, 6, 5 1, 8 in the side. Hey Doc, I know me, Anytime shooting a 3 ball combo has just too many risks factors. I think also with your cb control you would have cleared either solids or strips. Just my 2 cents. As always great video and thank you for teaching us all.
You're welcome. Agreed. Solids are also run-able here, but access to that 1 is a little tight. I personally wouldn't want to save that for late in the game. Short side shape on the 1 off the 3 would probably be the safest approach.
Again you are correct. 3 to 1 would've been better. And like you always said, deal with problems early in the rack. I'll set it up to see for sure. Thanks again!
Not to mention that, at least where i am, at most of the spots with bar boxes it would be frowned upon to use your own cue, and its really hard for me to get any cue ball action on standard house cues, since they typically have wider, worn down tips.
this was a great vid for the average Joe bar pool enthusiast... great run on rack 1... I would have probably taken 10 carom off the 3 into the corner leaving cue ball upper left corner to take a either the 12 or the 14 into the upper right. if I miss the 10 carom the traffic would have likely left an unlikely run for my opponent... curious what you might think of that play.... thanks Doc!
9:29 - You should have explained when you say “I should have used right spin to come in line with the ball” about why that works. From the relative perspective, that means your would have had a shot to put the cue ball “ahead of” the eight, as opposed to using slight backspin to bring it “behind” the eight. I think using this language to explain ball relations will help visualize more paths, and some of us will find certain paths significantly more useful, based on our skill levels or cue limitations.
I said "I should have used a touch of right spin to get a straighter shot at the 5." I should have said "the 3" instead (not "the 5"). I left a little too much angle on the 3-ball shot (after the 5-ball shot) making it more difficult to hold the CB for the 8. If I had left the shot straighter, I could have just rolled forward for an easy shot at the 3 and the 8.
Nice, as an Australian I like how Bar Box 8-ball is very similar to English pool, which is a much deeper and chess like game than some might realise. It's ironic, that this is considered just a casual game in the US, even though it can often be harder than 9-ft table 8-ball. In English pool it's a bit trickier still since any ball on the rail is a serious problem ball due to the snooker cut pockets. Do you ever watch Ultimate Pool, the top English level? I find many of the matches fascinating, especially watching top guys like Mick Hill, Chris Melling or Tom Cousins.
Agreed. 8-ball on small tables is the most fun and interesting pool game; although, the ultimate “chess” pool game is One Pocket: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/game/one-pocket/
@@DrDaveBilliards Chinese 8-ball is also interesting to watch and will probably be a pretty big game in the future, since China is pushing it as part of "Belt and Road". The prize money is already insane! ($750,000 first prize for the last Masters). I like how it's also a unifying sport since it has features that resemble all the other cue sports: 9-ft table, american size balls and jump shots allowed for the 9-ball players, snooker cut pockets, cloth and distances favouring snooker players and tactics and patterns similar to English 8 ball. The biggest hindrence to foreign players trying to master it seems to be the break which the Chinese players have down to a science.
@@dhirajpallin2572 Agreed. I hope it continues to grow. I still prefer standard pool with larger pockets. The tight pockets limit many creative shot options.
Yeah I most play on a 9 foot table but damn when I switched to Barbox once it was crazy I had a difficult time to play on it. Even my friend said Barbox isn't easy to play on
Ball pocketing is easier on a bar box, but there is more clustering and CB positioning difficulty. For more info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/bar-box/
@@DrDaveBilliards Funny. I was thinking the same thing. For all those who try to compare American pool to UK pool or even UK Billiards, they don't usually realize ( or "realise" ) that there are games and tables much more difficult!
@DrDaveBilliards He was my neighbor growing up quiet guy but super competitive, used to skip a class at a young age to watch him shoot here in Rolla Mo. I got pretty good but not at your or his level! I know he ran 26 racks on barbox playing 9 ball l believe its still a record l know Mccready ran 20 also good video sir!!!
The 7 did go in the side, but I didn't want to deal with the 1-ball later (although, the 3 is decent ball to get on the 1 later, with the right angle).
If there was any issue i had with this entire well explained and demonstrated video would be you breaking in front of the head line i see you cheat it in every rack
I agree that the camera view makes it look like the bottom of the CB is beyond the headstring, but it is really tough to tell from this angle. It is very close, either way. You might be right, but I don't know for sure. I certainly thought the bottom of the ball was not beyond the headstring during the breaks.
If you draw a line through the diamonds, it seems like the top of the CB is above this line, but it is tough to judge from this camera view where the headstring is on the table (which is well below the diamonds) and where the bottom of the CB is relative to this line.
Dont get me wrong, i am not in any way questioning your skillset or methods at all. Im nowhere near your level of expertise. Just something i thought i saw and wanted to ask about. I truly appreciate your videos and your dedication to helping guys like me get on your level. Thank you for responding. Good luck on your game!!
Have you tried the same think on a UK bar box ? The pockets are a lot tighter and the cue ball is smaller than the object balls. Makes for a different break and trickier runouts.
@@DrDaveBilliards the configuration I mention is the one used by the Ultimate Pool series. Broadcast in the UK by Sky and Viaplay. Would be great to see you take on some of the champions ☺️
Hi Dr Dave, I'm trying to improve my 8-ball break from the side, how hard are you hitting the cue ball on the break? Your videos are awesome and very helpful, thank you in advance! :)
See the videos and info here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/ I hit my 2nd-ball break at about 80-90% of max. I don’t have a number for the speed, but I would guess 13-14mph.
6:35 Rack 3. Drawing the cueball off the 12 at an angle for a breakout that is 5ft away is too risky. I would have taken solids and shot 7, 2, and cut in the 1 with inside or outside english to avoid the stripe ball and you would have had a shot on at least one of the solids down table.
Nuce vudeo and great explanations.., Are you using a weighted cue ball or standard? I can usually draw a standard cue ball close to length of table, but struggle with the weighted or oversized cue ball...
You're able to see the patterns so far in advance of just three balls. What do you recommend for us to practice or watch to be able to visualize as far ahead as you?
Check out the info and videos here: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-ball-control/ especially the 3-part "Smart Runout Pool" series. I think those videos are exactly what you are looking for.
A critique - I know this is a weird one but here goes, you're a better player than me. I'm a solid player, a AA where I live (population of around 50k) and there is no doubt in my mind you're better than me. By the time I drop the 8 ball on an ERO I've usually moved on from plan A and have ended up on plan C... or D, lol. Because of your shot making ability and cue ball control some of the patterns you play are beyond my abilities and I would assume a good percentage of your viewers. That being said I have still enjoyed this series of videos because it shows me some alternative ways of looking at racks and knowledge is power in this game. The best example of this I can point out in this video is at 4:53. I completely understand why you made that shot but I honestly wouldn't have tried it. It crossed my mind to draw into that cluster off the 5 ball while looking at the rack during the pause in the video but I quickly considered it a low percentage shot and looked for a different route. I wouldn't have been confident enough in my cue ball control to hit the 11 ball as precisely as you did to break out the 6 ball that perfectly. Instead I would have worked to the bottom side of the 6 ball for position in the upper corner. My thought process would have been to try getting position for the 6 ball off the 4 ball or 3 ball. After the shot you made on the 5 ball that rack was easy I just wouldn't have been confident enough to draw into the 11 ball like you did.
Honestly, I think your idea to play for position under the 6 is a better idea than moving the 11 like I did. The bump wasn't necessary, and it could have caused trouble.
Hi Dr Dave, are bar boxes 7 foot by 3.5 foot? I'm currently looking to buy a pool table in Aus, but the only affordable ones are the British style 7 foot tables.
Your ability to read a rack is really really good. Can a person learn this skill? Or is a mix of intuition and knowledge? Do we gain intuition through experience?
A little knowledge is very helpful. See: 8-BALL BREAK "CHEAT CODES" and How to Read a Rack th-cam.com/video/kkAlntQrFo8/w-d-xo.html Amazing 8-BALL "CHEAT CODE" ... 2nd-Ball-Break with a Side Gap to Pocket the 8 th-cam.com/video/UOQcN299uwE/w-d-xo.html For more help and info, see: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
10:30 why not roll through the 15? sets up for 13 side with a little draw. straight through the 14 to the bottom left gives you a much more open angle, but more green for the shot.
@@DrDaveBilliards yea they look great. i also dont know how close to the door of the place your shooting at is that that table youre on is. cause i know the tables closer to the doors are the hardest tables to play on..and i dont see anybody walking around you back and forth while you play like in regular bars. that table youre on also looks fast.
@@mattholt9065 I recorded on a weekday afternoon when very few people were there ... on purpose. That place is a zoo at night, especially on the weekends.
*Content:*
0:00 - Intro
1:06 - Rack 1
4:06 - Rack 2
5:33 - Rack 3
7:34 - Rack 4
9:41 - Rack 5
11:03 - Rack 6-10
13:23 - Wrap Up
*Supporting Resources:*
- Video Encyclopedia of Eight Ball (VEEB): drdavebilliards.com/videos/8-ball/
- “8-Ball RUN-OUTS and BREAK ADVICE” video: th-cam.com/video/eGAEfE71WPc/w-d-xo.html
- “How to RUN OUT in 8-BALL … Pattern Play Strategy Analysis and Advice” video: th-cam.com/video/L3cF-3Sb4og/w-d-xo.html
- “Amazing 8-BALL "CHEAT CODE" ... 2nd-Ball-Break with a Side Gap to Pocket the 8” video: th-cam.com/video/UOQcN299uwE/w-d-xo.html
- “Run-Out Examples with Commentary and Instruction” playlist: th-cam.com/video/eGAEfE71WPc/w-d-xo.html
- System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS): billiards.colostate.edu/faq/sidespin/aim/saws/
- 8-ball resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/game/8-ball/
- 8-ball break resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
- 8-ball strategy resource page: billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/8-ball/
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Who plays on so small tables??
Great video. Would be interested to see the racks you didn't run as this would be much more common for most players including myself. Addressing issues such as what to do when you get stuck without a shot, when do you decide you can't run out and when to stop making balls, strategies for playing safe during all phases of game (beginning, middle, and end), and avoiding one ball hell.
Good idea. I'll add it to my list.
I 2nd that, IMO you can learn as much if not more from failure than success. Keep up the great content Dr. Dave!
Great idea
@@DrDaveBilliards Thank you for this video I've been a pool video junkie since the early days of Accu-Stats. I would love to see the above poster video suiggestions. With all the 8 ball tapes out there I have never seen a tape that featured player review on a bar table.
@@enjoypool4052 I am working on a couple of videos now dealing with 9-ball runs on a bar box. I will definitely include the full gamut of decision making and run-outs (successful and not). Stay tuned.
DrDaveBilliards sir,i still watch your pool tutorials ,your the best!!! and thank you
Thanks. I plan to keep posting videos for a long time to come.
I am a frustrated decent beginner/mid range bar box player. I've been stuck . This really helps. A very solid tutorial.
You might also find the info and videos here helpful:
billiards.colostate.edu/tutorial/
Good luck with your game!
You've helped my game immensely, many thanks for that. You make the run-outs seem easy, and so obvious, it's mesmerizing to watch.
I'm glad to hear it. You're welcome, and good luck with your game.
Most helpful as always Doc. I have about 60 videos of yours saved in a playlist. You took my game to a much higher level through the knowledge you've shared.
I'm glad to hear it. I hope your playlist continues to grow as I put out new videos.
@@DrDaveBilliards That it will, thanks again !
Just the GOAT of pool instruction!! The bar box is certainly different. 9 ball is almost too easy, but 8 ball gets crowded, a player needs pretty precise cueball control to have any real success.
Thank!! I agree with your comments about 9-ball and 8-ball on a bar box.
My billiards teacher at Dr. Dave the best ever ❤️ love from Uganda 🇺🇬
Thanks. Love back at you from USA.
These 8 ball pattern videos you do are very helpful for me in my journey. Thank you
@@gregmote1 I’m glad to hear it. You’re welcome.
Thank you very much. Very helpful. I prefer the first part with comments, as it's my main motive to play with other people : seeing how they concieve the game- When you look at someone, it's what you can understand depending on your game level. With comments , it taking us to a further level.
I love that you did this Dave! Amateur players should take away a lot from this as most of them play 8ball barbox. Some nice outs. I just joined a league for the first time (APA in my area), and I'm flabbergasted by how many players don't really learn basic 8 ball strategy or practice. Keep it up! Good stuff.
Thanks. I'm glad you think it is useful.
I'd love to see a video of running the same rack layout in different ways, letting us plan how we would play the rack, and then you explore why certain ways of running out are better/easier than others, and what the best pattern would be.
That's a good idea. FYI, I already have lots of advice along these lines in the "Smart Run-Out Pool" video series near the bottom of the page here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-ball-control/
Check them out.
Watching these runout videos has improved my strategy immensely thanks!
I'm glad to hear it. If you want a lot more help with with strategy and pattern play, check out the videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/
and here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-ball-control/
Enjoy, and good luck with your game!
Thanks again for the video. Just so happens that I was practicing breaks on my bar box last night using the head ball only. Today I’ll practice the second ball break. The runout part I’ll have to work on.
FYI, I have several good videos and lots of useful info dealing with the 2nd-ball break here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
Enjoy!
Dr.Dave I love watching your videos. If only I had a young man's back to be able to devote myself to the practice I need. Even wearing a back brace, I can only play 6-8 games.
I fully understand the need for cue ball control and over the years have given it a lot of thought. It caused me to come up with a new game to play. It would be a rack of fifteen balls broken and run with a cue ball that had accelerometers embedded that would be zeroed out at the start of each game and read for distance traveled at the end of each game. The breaker would continue to shoot until all 15 of the balls in his break were made. The person who had the shortest distance recorded from the cue ball would win. The whole purpose is to teach cue ball control.
I like it.
You're a good guy Dr. Dave.
@@sdnnhy8421 Thank you.
I have watched just about all of dr Dave's vids. Love em.
I use a cte/shish kabob aim system , it works extremely well for me.
Love how Dr dave moves the cue ball around the bar box with always 6,7,or even 8 balls on a bar box. Hard not to move the furniture.
Great stuff and thank you.
I'm glad you like my stuff. Thanks for the comments. I use DAM for aiming:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/aiming/dam/#advice
DAM !!
I've seen that b4.
Truth is , I was a BB player when young , using ghost ball and pre set ups.
And as I am now much older , Using my shish kabob method , and still using a very strict pre shot routine is given me quite a bit more confidence.
I can assure you , I will not qualify for the world open 8 or 9 ball championships. Lol
Just ABSOLUTELY love the game. And watching your banking 1/3 more than twice , has made me a much stronger banker.
That was one smooth dance ! Great fun. Thanks Dave
Thanks. I'm glad you liked my moves.
Hi from Madagascar @DrDaveBilliards...I love and watch every single one of your videos.one thing though...
Rack 1,first shot,10 ball carom into the solid 3 to top right corner(with your very own 30° rule)...you get the stripes...no need need for the risky 13 jump to the side...easy run out after that 😜
Good idea. The shot isn't a gimmie, but the out would be a lot easier.
Hello, Dr. Dave. Impressive run outs. I love your videos, i´m learning a lot with them. I´ve been playing for a year now and have improved quite a lot. Just a few things: 1) in rack 7, at 11:39 when you take back your cue to take the shot, you touched the 6 ball with it, that´s a foul, LOL. 2) I´m trying to learn to "read" the table (ball patterns) in 8 ball after the break. In your racks from 6-10 or in your other vids there is no time to see the layout before you took the first hit. I like to pause the vid when all balls stop, see the layout and try to imagine the patterns. So, please, if your make more of these vids, try to wait until the balls remain still and let 1 sec before taking the first shot. Thank you very much and keep all the good work. Greetings from Spain!
1) Good catch. Good thing I was playing under “CB fouls only” rules. :)
2) Good idea.
I’m glad you like my stuff. Good luck with your game.
You're awesome DD!!!
Best instructional videos on the web! Great editing, and the attention to detail is always impressive!
Thanks! I'm glad you like my stuff.
Man I love pool so much.....thank you Dr Dave!!
I obviously love pool too. You're welcome.
@@DrDaveBilliards 😂😂👍
since im just beginning pool these provide so much information thank you so much for this
FYI, lots of good advice for beginners can be found here:
billiards.colostate.edu/beginner-help/
Enjoy, and good luck with your game!
DD This really helps out APA and BCA League players because We ONLY play on these 7ft Diamond tables ..
I think your on a Valley tho ..
Thanks So much ..I play 4 nights a week ..
You're welcome. Although, Diamonds play a little tougher than Valleys.
Yeah , Diamonds play tougher Super fast table .. .. I play at J.O.Bs Billiards Club in Nashville,Tn ... We have like 30 Diamond tables and 3 - 9 ft. Diamonds and 1 Snooker table
@@Chris-mw8dr Diamonds also tend to kick and bank short, which I do not like:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/Diamond
Oh yeah, well do it on a 3 foot table!
Great video, thank you for putting this together.
Thanks. A 3’ table would be fun (if the balls were smaller). :)
11:27 holy cow, watch the cueball curve to a stop! Nice trick shot Dr. Dave :)
That's called a "delayed masse" shot.
Just kidding. The Lord works in mysterious ways on bar boxes at times. :)
Dave ... you should be on tour
It is one thing to be able to create convincing instructional videos. It is another thing entirely to play at the pro level, per the info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/advice/pro/
There are many things on the "list" that I am missing.
Another nice one, Dr. Thanks, again!
Thank you, and you're welcome!
Dr Dave ..great video ! I have to say watching you shoot …and breaking out clusters and general high percentage position play … Wagon wheel Baaaaby ! Ha … love to see you practicing what you preach .
Thanks. I'm glad you liked it. Drills definitely help create useful skills.
Great video! I liked this format a lot! Thanks. Helped me see some things.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it.
good work..... i think most ppl cant believe it because they don't have the knowledge that you do.... trying to get to the top too quickly without learning the fundamentals.... I've been following your videos for 2 years and still trying to do the fundamentals on the table.... also, harder for us in Australia with english tables... the frpzen ball rail shots into corners arent as friendly .... :)
Yep. Solid fundamentals are key. For those who want help with this, see the videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/tutorial/fundamentals/
Truly enjoyable!!! Thanks again. A few racks had an "either/or" play with the same result; for the most part, would have played 'em pretty much the same as your choice (probably the wisest too). One of the greatest things about the game is the different ways (choices) to play. If a person were to explain each shot and why ---- Could they? Things would change from there, forcing "ahead" thinking ... or simply "TRAINING". With that -- a person HAS to WANT to get better. Do appreciate what ya do Dr. Dave! Be Safe
I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for the comments.
Awesome video as always. Got me really excited to play today.
Thanks. I'm glad to hear it.
Another great vid by DOCTOR D!!!
Thanks!
Excellent DrDave. Cheers bruv.
Thanks.
Bro says that if he was making continuous breaks he would be on a world tour. Proceeds to make continuous breaks
The racks were not consecutive. I only showed the good racks from my session.
@@DrDaveBilliards just having a laugh mate
Great outs. The fundamentals were solid, which I find to sometime be a challenge on 7 ft tables because of how much easier it is to pocket the balls. There were a couple shots where from the camera angle seemed to be a little questionable as far as a good hit is concerned. During some league or tournament play the tables can be run down and can make it difficult to get a good rack, those outs are "fun".
Agreed. The challenges presented by a non-perfect bar box are often "fun."
It's funny because I won a barbox tournament years ago because pretty much all my opponents at the time would clear all open balls and leave the tied up balls last. Then, they would try some infinitesimally small percentage shot on those balls, miss and leave me open balls on the table for me to get out. It's like I stole the tournament not because of players' inability to make shots, but their extremely poor planning. Great video, Doc!
Thanks. Yep. It doesn't take much to win against opponents who don't play smart.
Do you find it difficult switching from a 9 foot table to a bar box and vice versa? Or do you adapt right away to whatever size pool table you shoot on?
Good players easily adapt to any table size and any table conditions. Although, there are differences in play based on table size and type:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/bar-box/
Great video as always but all pool aside I enjoy the classic rock music in the background 😂
Awesome. Thanks for the video. The last racks I played it in 0.75x speed, very interesting to watch.
Thanks. Smart idea to watch the speed-up racks at a slower speed.
One thing I'd like to mention is that if you're playing 8 ball and using the second ball break and aren't make the fat corner ball. You can either move the cue ball slightly in from the rail or hit a little more outside on the second ball. You'll usually start making the fare corner ball. On a 9 foot table breaking from 2 ball off the rail really seems to make the second ball break work better. It changes the angle of how the corner ball comes off the rack makes it shorten up which sends it into the pocket
That is not my experience at all. With a tight rack on a 9’ table, the corner ball doesn’t even have a chance to go with a 2nd-ball break.
@@DrDaveBilliards what I'm saying is break a ball and a half to two balls off the rail on a 9 foot table . Changing the angle you're hitting the second ball will change and throw the far corner ball long which on a big table gives you a chance at making it. But honestly a head ball break does do better on a big table. But there are adjustments you can make to a second ball break to make it work. The real plus is when you are bridging from the table and not the rail you can get better action and hit the rack a lot harder
Rack 3 5:33 Since you made a low on the break, I would need to run out low balls first according to the rules of APA that I currently play(5/6sl). I would slow roll the 7 into the side pocket. Take the cut on the 2 ball next to the left corner pocket (my perspective) with follow to come back up table. Take the 6 next into the same corner pocket with slow follow to shoot the 5 up to the opposite corner with a stop shot. Stop the 3 ball into the side pocket across table. Take the hard cut on the 1 ball. Cross my fingers that the cue ball bumps the stripe that's right there to get it out of the way and keep the cue ball there and the take the 8 into the opposite side pocket for the win.
Obviously, these shots work perfectly in my head, and I would probably be out of position by the 3rd or 4th ball and have to come up with a plan B but it's what I see initially. I've often been told that my shot selection can use some work so I would love and appreciate any feedback or alternatives!
Sounds good to me. Although, I'd be tempted to leave a natural angle on the 3 to get "short side shape" on the 1 in the upper-left corner.
@@DrDaveBilliards going short side hadn't even occurred to me as an option! Thanks for giving me something to look out for!
@@SarahsJewelryStudio You’re welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
DrDave: I LOVE your pool videos. I have several bookmarked and watch them repeatedly. The reason is you not only tell us what to do, but why, which I find interesting and helpful. BUT in this video from rack 6 onwards, you compressed the time too much. I can't digest what you did and why before the the next shot happens. The speed in the other two 8 ball runout videos was better. Keep up the great pool videos!
FYI, if you want to slow down racks 6-15, you can have TH-cam play that part of the video slower. Just select "playback speed" under settings with the gear icon.
@@DrDaveBilliards OH I didn't know you could do that. Thanks DrDave!
*2nd ball break shot is excellent… for the ladies*
Dr. Dave U-Tubes always rock.💡. Great information.
Wish Dr. Dave would do some how to play One Pocket better.💡
I am actually planning work on a "Video Encyclopedia of One Pocket" (VEOP) project for later in the year. This one will be a ton of work, but I am really looking forward to it. It should come out by early next year.
@@DrDaveBilliards wishing you success on project, will to bet you will get right.
Friend is OCD on products he sells, he don’t bring anything to market until
It’s perfect, as perfect as it can be.
@@CocoboloCowboy Thanks. I appreciate the vote of confidence.
totally needed this lesson. I'm a derp mouth trying to figure out where to begin in 8.
FYI, I have lots of good 8-ball advice in the videos and via the links here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/game/8-ball/
Check it out.
Love how big the valley table pockets are sometimes lol. But give me tight pockets any day of the week!
The small table and big pockets does make it fun at time, being able to runout almost anything.
Another great video! Thanks!
Thank you, and you’re welcome.
I’ll throw a party when I run my first rack.
That is worth celebrating. I hope it happens sooner rather than later.
@@DrDaveBilliards (:
Good stuff Sir! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks!
Great run outs. You make the game look easier with your ball selection and skill. Makes me laugh that people say the things that they do. Everyone sees the table different. If it works, it works. If it were easy everyone would be a pro.
Thanks. You're right. The pros make it look easy, but we're not all pros.
Yeah...those looked way to easy...hehehe.
Great video as always. Its starting to make sense as an APA 3 😁 so I really appreciate the online coaching n drills Dr Dave.
I'm glad you liked it.
"Your wish is my command". 😊 I honestly believe that people think some of your videos are too easy because you have such excellent ball control and they don't understand that your positioning is not a matter of luck. In other words, you make it look easy ...... but it isn't.
I aim to swerve. I also aim to keep the CB on a "leash."
@@DrDaveBilliards ... and you do both very well too. 🎱🏆
@@BackSeatHump Thanks.
@2:05 - In APA, I wouldn't be allowed to use a jump cue. So, if I wanted stripes, I would have probably tried the 6-13 combo in the side. This is allowed because the table is still open. I am fairly decent in doing combination shots, but it would depend on your comfort level.
That's not an easy combo, but neither is the jump. Like you said, it is all about comfort level.
Good evening Sir.
Well played!
Rack 14 i had to watch a couple of times and was pleasantly surprised with the out! 👏
I will be messaging you soon with a couple of ideas!
P.s i still need to order the new t shirt designs! Literally havent been home enough 😞
I thought more people would notice the jump bank in rack 14. I could say I was doing that just to show off, but I would be lying. It was a mistake, but I rolled with it. :)
@@DrDaveBilliards oh i figured haha
And the opening shot i was trying to determine if a combo was played but all in all well done sir!
@@ericpoolguysimpson2954 Yep. That combo was an important start of the rack. Thanks.
If your ever around Lakeland Florida come by tbows and try to run out on those barboxes, thry roll straight just slow and can't get a good rack because people continue to bang the head ball and there are divots in the slate. But runouts are frequent on quicker tables with pristine equipmen
Humidity also makes table play tougher.
I have a thing I was taught by an old straight pool player and it's mostly to do with how your subconscious and conscious play vital roles...in short its what you believe that makes things tough or easy, obviously a shot on the rail on a snooker table is tougher than one cut from the spot but all in all you still have to hit the ball on the line it needs to be on to pocket it. Humidity is a infrequent exponent in your regular pool knowledge, most places are air-conditioned so the "tough" part is the not understanding what is happing and if you practice in Humidity it becomes just another speed table and the main factor is the cue grips the felt faster so small amounts of masse happen and you make, shape or both is awry. After the knowledge is implanted through practice, and this is the gem, it's visualization. I was actually thinking about contacting you with the method I was taught and I think it's right up your alley Dr. And my apologies if I sounded like I was putting your vids down, I love the scientific approach and the time you put in to HELP, rare in this game. But if you would like to know more on this send me a msg and I'll gladly share my knowledge with you. My teacher was like my father I never had and he made me promise not to share with anyone not worthy of the time tenacity amd dedication it takes to be a true student of the game but you obviously have all those and more
Feel free to send me a description of the "method" you were taught:
billiards.colostate.edu/contact/
Great video Dr. Dave! Very thorough. Just in time for my partner and I to watch together before our Jack and Jill tournament in an hour!
Good luck (and play well) in the tournament!
Rack 5- All shots were what i would have done. 10:43 is where I had a trouble of deciding where the the 14 would go. I planned to put the 14 in the opposite corner of 11. But I thought of taking the 13 in upper corner where the 9 was put. Slow roll cue to the rail & run the 8 ball in same pocket as 9.
I think there are several good patterns for the 13-14-8. I don't think mine wasn't necessarily the best (especially for all people).
Still too easy Dr Dave. Now do it on a Diamond bar box! Lol jk.
Question, isn’t it kinda bad when you have to pivot when down on the shot when using your SAWS method? Like you were already balanced then you pivot your body a bit.
I should probably just jump straight to a snooker table. Better yet, Russian Pyramid Billiards. :)
Concerning the SAWS pivots, they don't bother me. I feel just as stable and balanced after the small pivots as I do before the pivots.
Nice! The Efrain Reyes sounder!!!
Thanks. I never get tired of that Efren audio clip.
i am to swerve........ ok thats a new one. good job me peep
is that jeopardy music i hear. lol
Yep. That's the Jeopardy theme song. That's my small tribute to Alex Trebek. RIP, Alex. ❤
Solids for Rack 3
7, 2, 3, 6, 5 1, 8 in the side.
Hey Doc, I know me, Anytime shooting a 3 ball combo has just too many risks factors. I think also with your cb control you would have cleared either solids or strips. Just my 2 cents. As always great video and thank you for teaching us all.
You're welcome. Agreed. Solids are also run-able here, but access to that 1 is a little tight. I personally wouldn't want to save that for late in the game. Short side shape on the 1 off the 3 would probably be the safest approach.
Again you are correct. 3 to 1 would've been better. And like you always said, deal with problems early in the rack. I'll set it up to see for sure. Thanks again!
I really like the triple combo & the carom shots Dave. You should be a natural for my points game. Have you tried it yet?
Be well,
Al-Fu
Sorry, but I have a very long “list” right now.
I’m jealous of the draw you can get on those tables. The bar boxes in my area draw is extremely difficult to execute.
The type of cloth and CB weight can make a big difference.
Not to mention that, at least where i am, at most of the spots with bar boxes it would be frowned upon to use your own cue, and its really hard for me to get any cue ball action on standard house cues, since they typically have wider, worn down tips.
@@thestever Yep. If the tip is flat or if it doesn’t hold chalk well, good draw will not be possible.
@12:40 foul..... 🤣 I love watching these break and runs
Yep, unless playing under "CB Fouls Only" rules.
this was a great vid for the average Joe bar pool enthusiast... great run on rack 1... I would have probably taken 10 carom off the 3 into the corner leaving cue ball upper left corner to take a either the 12 or the 14 into the upper right. if I miss the 10 carom the traffic would have likely left an unlikely run for my opponent... curious what you might think of that play.... thanks Doc!
(also the 13 would be available for a second shot)
Good idea. It is not an easy shot, so it is a little risky, but it would make the out a lot easier than what I faced.
9:29 - You should have explained when you say “I should have used right spin to come in line with the ball” about why that works. From the relative perspective, that means your would have had a shot to put the cue ball “ahead of” the eight, as opposed to using slight backspin to bring it “behind” the eight.
I think using this language to explain ball relations will help visualize more paths, and some of us will find certain paths significantly more useful, based on our skill levels or cue limitations.
I said "I should have used a touch of right spin to get a straighter shot at the 5." I should have said "the 3" instead (not "the 5"). I left a little too much angle on the 3-ball shot (after the 5-ball shot) making it more difficult to hold the CB for the 8. If I had left the shot straighter, I could have just rolled forward for an easy shot at the 3 and the 8.
@@DrDaveBilliards Yes I’m sorry! This is exactly what I was trying to say. I just want you to explain options a bit more thoroughly, I guess.
I don't like 8 ball, but these are some great tips.
@@patriciajrs46 Thanks.
Hilarious intro. Great video!
Thanks!
12:40 did you foul hitting the 1 with the cue? Nice playing! barely any mistakes lol
That would be a foul under standard "all ball fouls," but not under "CB fouls only."
Watching now, like the tissue as a spacer 😊
Now, if my league opponents would only let me use the gap tissue during matches. :)
@@DrDaveBilliards 😊👍🏻
@@DrDaveBilliards what league do you play in?
@@uhenoalvarez3480 VNEA
When a player is a strong player. That player can get away with a lot of things not being shown here.
Agreed. Good shot making and the ability to get back in line are powerful skills.
@@DrDaveBilliards BTW. I always enjoy your videos!
@@cliffhart7673 I'm glad to hear it. Thanks.
13:05 Very nice shot!
Thanks. I could say I did the jump bank on purpose, but I would be lying. That was a fluke and I just went with it to see if anybody would notice.
Nice, as an Australian I like how Bar Box 8-ball is very similar to English pool, which is a much deeper and chess like game than some might realise. It's ironic, that this is considered just a casual game in the US, even though it can often be harder than 9-ft table 8-ball. In English pool it's a bit trickier still since any ball on the rail is a serious problem ball due to the snooker cut pockets. Do you ever watch Ultimate Pool, the top English level? I find many of the matches fascinating, especially watching top guys like Mick Hill, Chris Melling or Tom Cousins.
Agreed. 8-ball on small tables is the most fun and interesting pool game; although, the ultimate “chess” pool game is One Pocket:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/game/one-pocket/
@@DrDaveBilliards Chinese 8-ball is also interesting to watch and will probably be a pretty big game in the future, since China is pushing it as part of "Belt and Road". The prize money is already insane! ($750,000 first prize for the last Masters). I like how it's also a unifying sport since it has features that resemble all the other cue sports: 9-ft table, american size balls and jump shots allowed for the 9-ball players, snooker cut pockets, cloth and distances favouring snooker players and tactics and patterns similar to English 8 ball. The biggest hindrence to foreign players trying to master it seems to be the break which the Chinese players have down to a science.
@@dhirajpallin2572 Agreed. I hope it continues to grow. I still prefer standard pool with larger pockets. The tight pockets limit many creative shot options.
@@DrDaveBilliards Oh I just noticed that Ultimate Pool has started holding professional level bar box tournaments in the US, as of 2 months ago.
@@dhirajpallin2572 Thanks for the info. I hope it does well and continues.
Yeah I most play on a 9 foot table but damn when I switched to Barbox once it was crazy I had a difficult time to play on it. Even my friend said Barbox isn't easy to play on
Ball pocketing is easier on a bar box, but there is more clustering and CB positioning difficulty. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/strategy/bar-box/
Very cool. Try on a UK style table next with rounded pockets :)
Why don't I just jump straight to a Russian Pyramid Billiards table? :)
Those tables make 12'-table snooker look like child's play.
@@DrDaveBilliards Funny. I was thinking the same thing. For all those who try to compare American pool to UK pool or even UK Billiards, they don't usually realize ( or "realise" ) that there are games and tables much more difficult!
David Matlock I believe would approve! Since you had to of played for years I'm sure you know who he is!!
@@davidwilliamson2341 Thanks. I do know who is but have not met him in person.
@DrDaveBilliards He was my neighbor growing up quiet guy but super competitive, used to skip a class at a young age to watch him shoot here in Rolla Mo. I got pretty good but not at your or his level! I know he ran 26 racks on barbox playing 9 ball l believe its still a record l know Mccready ran 20 also good video sir!!!
@@davidwilliamson2341 Cool. Thanks for the info.
I have a similar table but I replaced the rails and have much tighter unforgiving pockets. And simonis 860
@ 6:12 initially I would have gone with the 7 in the side. From the angle of the camera I couldn't see if you would've cleared the 2 ball.
The 7 did go in the side, but I didn't want to deal with the 1-ball later (although, the 3 is decent ball to get on the 1 later, with the right angle).
I want the Efren "Hehe I got lucky" as my notification ringtone
Me too! Good idea.
Great content
Thanks! I'm glad you think so.
If there was any issue i had with this entire well explained and demonstrated video would be you breaking in front of the head line i see you cheat it in every rack
I agree that the camera view makes it look like the bottom of the CB is beyond the headstring, but it is really tough to tell from this angle. It is very close, either way. You might be right, but I don't know for sure. I certainly thought the bottom of the ball was not beyond the headstring during the breaks.
If you draw a line through the diamonds, it seems like the top of the CB is above this line, but it is tough to judge from this camera view where the headstring is on the table (which is well below the diamonds) and where the bottom of the CB is relative to this line.
Dont get me wrong, i am not in any way questioning your skillset or methods at all. Im nowhere near your level of expertise. Just something i thought i saw and wanted to ask about. I truly appreciate your videos and your dedication to helping guys like me get on your level. Thank you for responding. Good luck on your game!!
@@bigseajerz Understood. Thanks.
Camera cut at 12:52. Maybe a ball repositioning? Tough stroke to make though. That tightly 'nested'.
I have "camera cuts" throughout all the runs, where I edited out the non-interesting time between the shots.
@@DrDaveBilliards My snippets are not quite as up to snuff as yours.
Have you tried the same think on a UK bar box ? The pockets are a lot tighter and the cue ball is smaller than the object balls. Makes for a different break and trickier runouts.
I look forward to trying. I guess that’s just another reason to visit the UK.
@@DrDaveBilliards the configuration I mention is the one used by the Ultimate Pool series. Broadcast in the UK by Sky and Viaplay. Would be great to see you take on some of the champions ☺️
I wouldn't give a champion much of a match. I am a professional instructor, not a professional player.
Hi Dr Dave, I'm trying to improve my 8-ball break from the side, how hard are you hitting the cue ball on the break? Your videos are awesome and very helpful, thank you in advance! :)
See the videos and info here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
I hit my 2nd-ball break at about 80-90% of max. I don’t have a number for the speed, but I would guess 13-14mph.
1:06 On the first rack I would've tried to hit that 4, then hit the 1-3 combo. Then 1, 7, 6, 5, 2. But 🤷♂️. It might not have worked out as well.
Well Done! But don't think I didn't see that foul at 12:41
Good eye.
6:35 Rack 3. Drawing the cueball off the 12 at an angle for a breakout that is 5ft away is too risky. I would have taken solids and shot 7, 2, and cut in the 1 with inside or outside english to avoid the stripe ball and you would have had a shot on at least one of the solids down table.
I think I agree with you. My choice was not optimal.
Nuce vudeo and great explanations.., Are you using a weighted cue ball or standard? I can usually draw a standard cue ball close to length of table, but struggle with the weighted or oversized cue ball...
It is a standard size and weight. Oversized or heavy CBs are not very common anymore.
You're able to see the patterns so far in advance of just three balls. What do you recommend for us to practice or watch to be able to visualize as far ahead as you?
Check out the info and videos here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-ball-control/
especially the 3-part "Smart Runout Pool" series. I think those videos are exactly what you are looking for.
Video is also a built in game of name that tune.
A critique - I know this is a weird one but here goes, you're a better player than me. I'm a solid player, a AA where I live (population of around 50k) and there is no doubt in my mind you're better than me. By the time I drop the 8 ball on an ERO I've usually moved on from plan A and have ended up on plan C... or D, lol. Because of your shot making ability and cue ball control some of the patterns you play are beyond my abilities and I would assume a good percentage of your viewers. That being said I have still enjoyed this series of videos because it shows me some alternative ways of looking at racks and knowledge is power in this game.
The best example of this I can point out in this video is at 4:53. I completely understand why you made that shot but I honestly wouldn't have tried it. It crossed my mind to draw into that cluster off the 5 ball while looking at the rack during the pause in the video but I quickly considered it a low percentage shot and looked for a different route. I wouldn't have been confident enough in my cue ball control to hit the 11 ball as precisely as you did to break out the 6 ball that perfectly. Instead I would have worked to the bottom side of the 6 ball for position in the upper corner. My thought process would have been to try getting position for the 6 ball off the 4 ball or 3 ball. After the shot you made on the 5 ball that rack was easy I just wouldn't have been confident enough to draw into the 11 ball like you did.
Honestly, I think your idea to play for position under the 6 is a better idea than moving the 11 like I did. The bump wasn't necessary, and it could have caused trouble.
Hi Dr Dave, are bar boxes 7 foot by 3.5 foot? I'm currently looking to buy a pool table in Aus, but the only affordable ones are the British style 7 foot tables.
The most common size is 7'. For more info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/table/sizes/
Your ability to read a rack is really really good. Can a person learn this skill? Or is a mix of intuition and knowledge? Do we gain intuition through experience?
A little knowledge is very helpful. See:
8-BALL BREAK "CHEAT CODES" and How to Read a Rack
th-cam.com/video/kkAlntQrFo8/w-d-xo.html
Amazing 8-BALL "CHEAT CODE" ... 2nd-Ball-Break with a Side Gap to Pocket the 8
th-cam.com/video/UOQcN299uwE/w-d-xo.html
For more help and info, see:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/break/8-ball/
@@DrDaveBilliards thanks for the thoughtful response and the links. You rock, man!
@@stuartcarter944 You’re welcome. I aim to swerve. :)
10:30 why not roll through the 15? sets up for 13 side with a little draw. straight through the 14 to the bottom left gives you a much more open angle, but more green for the shot.
Sounds like a good plan to me.
Great video. However, in APA you can't just shoot at any ball. Would love to see the run outs according to APA rules.
Check out my latest video! 💀lol just kidding.
After watching the video, I was wondering what's your Fargo score?
I don't have one because I only play in VNEA leagues and tournaments. I would probably be in the 630-650 range.
Those bar boxes have either waaay heavy or much bigger cue balls. Draw is sometimes difficult with the weight/size differences
I haven’t seen a bar box with an oversized or heavy CB in a long time, but I know some are still out there.
FYI, I cover how a heavier or bigger CB affects play here:
billiards.colostate.edu/faq/ball/weight/
ive never seen bar boxes look that good lol. rails are perfect..table cloth aint messed up...looks level...noth for you to shoot around....
Our local VNEA league operator and pool halls do try to keep the tables in fairly good shape.
@@DrDaveBilliards yea they look great. i also dont know how close to the door of the place your shooting at is that that table youre on is. cause i know the tables closer to the doors are the hardest tables to play on..and i dont see anybody walking around you back and forth while you play like in regular bars. that table youre on also looks fast.
@@mattholt9065 I recorded on a weekday afternoon when very few people were there ... on purpose. That place is a zoo at night, especially on the weekends.
yea i bet. those tables would draw me there too lol