That's exactly what I was thinking! Dude views the game from a 1960s kids eyes. If you ask anyone Beltre was a tough out. No 3B in MLB history has more hits than Adrian Belrre
I remember him doing something similar to this a few years back with Dwight Howard....saying he didn't think he was a hall of famer....sure, his career tailed off after he hit his early 30's.....but Ben Wallace is in the HOF.....there's no world where Wallace is in and Howard is not....unless off the court issues cause it.
He had a .339 OBP that is not great. Beltre never won an MVP or a WS and had just 4 All Star appearances. Dave Parker also had a .339 OBP and cant get in. Parker had 2 batting titles, and a MVP. He is also played in 7 All stars and had 2 WS titles.
@@jonathonhappel It's almost as if the people voting for the Hall of Fame when Beltre was elected aren't the same people voting when Dave Parker was on the ballot.
I don't often disagree with Dan but good lord almighty, if ever there were a time Dan needed to stay in his lane, it's right now. Beltre NOT a first ballot hall of famer? He's a COMPILER? Literally his worst season was his age 19 rookie season. If he retired after 2012, he'd still be a first ballot hall of famer. 3,000 hits. 477 homeruns. An amazing defender. He is without question one of the top 5 third baseman of all time. Your problem is he flew under the radar and he wasn't in one of the 12 MLB games you watch a year outside of the postseason. It's that simple.
What you said is 100% correct on all counts. He actually got better as he aged. Never linked to PED's, plus had 5 gold gloves. What a stupid take by Dan.
Dan is rite finally someone said it go look at beltre reference he had like 3-4 good years he was not that great his ops is only .817 his ops plus is low come on
@@frankanuzzi9740 And he was also the second best defensive third baseman in history. He is a top 3 to 5 thrid baseman by every metric that measures a player in total. Try it. Name five third basemen who are better? You can't.
Dan, I can buy Mauer not being a 1st ballot HOF, but I believe Beltre was a slam dunk 1st ballot. Schmidt is the greatest 3B ever, but Beltre is in the discussion for 2nd greatest. I get your counting stat argument, but that to me is what makes him a 1st ballot HOF. Extremely consistent for that many years is more impressive than massive peaks and valleys. Hank Aaron was that way [ never hit 50 HR in a season ] & Eddie Murray was that way and would be the player I would most compare Beltre to. Both 1st ballot HOF.
@@Vic-Vega It's a matter of opinion, you take the 4 you listed with Beltre and any combo of 2 to 6 probably works. remember of those 4 you listed, only Robinson has more Gold Gloves then Beltre's 5. Brett 1, Chipper 0 & Matthews 0 [ Gold Gloves didn't start until Matthews 6th year ]. Defense is factored into the equation too.
@@jerryczzowitz3384You put way too much weight into Golden Gloves. Also: the fielding at third was far more competitive in decades past than the AL in 2000s-2010s.
@@Vic-Vega I don't believe so, Robinson is on this list mostly because of his GG, he was a very good hitter also clutch, put pales in comparison to the others offensively on your list. Beltre is only 23 HR shy of being in 500 HR , 3000 H club. That is a very exclusive club. Beltre's WAR of 93.5 trails only Schmidt 106.8 & Matthews 96.
Let me paint this picture for you, a total of 7 catchers have won batting titles EVER. three of them have been won in the American league... all by Joe Mauer. He finished with 2000 hits and a career average of 306. Those are astounding for a catcher.
Dan doesn’t have many bad takes but to say Beltré is a complier is just wrong. Just because he played that many seasons doesn’t mean he was wasn’t good. He was amazing even in his last season.
He also said Roger Clemens wasn't Hall of Famer before steroids. He is an idiot. He name checks George Brett as a Hall of Famer but not Beltre. They are two most similar third basemen by JAWS and WAR.
Dan is just looking through his old eyes. I hate to say that, but Beltre was consistent just as much as Brett. He even has more hits than Brett. So idk why he says these stupid things
Start with a 27.7 WAR (lower than thousands of ballplayers who aren't in Cooperstown) and finish with a postseason ERA of 10.03. I don't think Trevor Hoffman or Lee Smith deserve induction either, but unfortunately those ships have sailed.
Andruw Jones is the laziest player I have ever seen. In the relatively small sample of his games that I saw, I watched non-speedsters like Paul LoDuca and Brad Hawpe take an extra base when Jones played their routine singles lackadaisically, with the submarine flip back toward the infield not even getting near 2nd base ahead of the runner. Then, when the Braves had finally had enough of him at age 30, he signed with the Dodgers and showed up to spring training very fat. When asked about his weight, he laughed it off. He was told that the fans might not appreciate their team's big free agent showing up so out of shape, so he said he didn't care what the fans thought. If he was such a great player, why did very smart baseball guys like John Scheurholz and Bobby Cox let him walk out the door as a free agent in the prime of his career? New voters look at "analytics" and don't watch baseball games.
@@joebarr725Great anecdotal analysis there, and it has undoubtedly contributed (thus far) to him not getting in. Playing in the Steroid Era™ also didn't help. The biggest snub from this year's list of candidates HAS to be Wagner, though.
I don't understand how someone who you believe should be in the hall of fame isn't worthy of a certain high percentage? All that means is that 95% of the voters looked at his name and resume and said "yes, he belongs in the hall of fame." Otherwise Dan's argument is "I think Beltre is a hall of famer, but I don't want too many people agreeing with me."
Father of the year analogy every year, and personally it’s a wack analogy. Maybe husband of the year, but marriages doesn’t work out everytime, doesn’t mean i didn’t take care of my children
Dumber than shit argument by Dan is what it is....I'll bet you anything he thinks Robin Yount is an easy hall of famer.....and his last 4 years or so were nothing but compiling numbers to get him in....and I don't say that as a bad thing.....I loved Yount as a player...but Beltre was still a better player than that at the end and playing a much more difficult defensive position. Dan's interest in baseball has just waned over the years and he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Hof'ers should be the ones voting players into the HOF, not baseball writers. That should be one of the rewards to be in the HOF. To judge future hofers..
Dan Patrick smoking crack when he says Beltre isn't a 1st ballot hall of famer. Dude has the most hits & RBI's by a 3rd baseball. To me, if you are on the mt. Rushmore of your position both offensively & defensively, then there's really no debate.
I think there is a voter problem. Babe Ruth doesn't get in unanimously? A lot of these guys should already be in or should go first ballot immediately.
He’s just out of touch. I agree about Joe mauer. Arod and the rest of those guys should get it. The reason we don’t care about it anymore is because of guys like this gate keeping our heroes out of the hall of fame. They destroy our best players. I despise guys like this.
@@johnbaker1823 Steve Garvey had a career WAR of 38. He didn't get on base, had marginal power and played a defensively unimportant position. He would be in the argument for the worst selection in the last 100 years. Garvey was the perfect example of the overrated player where people didn't understand that getting a walk is better than getting out.
It feels like every year dans argument ends up being “this guy isn’t someone I loved when I’m was 10 so they’re not a hall of famer”
That's exactly what I was thinking! Dude views the game from a 1960s kids eyes. If you ask anyone Beltre was a tough out.
No 3B in MLB history has more hits than Adrian Belrre
@@ChrisP-in8qr A 60s kid's eyes who no longer actually follows baseball.
I remember him doing something similar to this a few years back with Dwight Howard....saying he didn't think he was a hall of famer....sure, his career tailed off after he hit his early 30's.....but Ben Wallace is in the HOF.....there's no world where Wallace is in and Howard is not....unless off the court issues cause it.
I love Dan but he sucks at talking baseball
Beltre had 3100 hits, that's not first ballot HoF material? Then who is first ballot?
Got that right, Beltre had more hits than Brett. Idk why Dan says these stupid things.
Barry bonds is
He had a .339 OBP that is not great. Beltre never won an MVP or a WS and had just 4 All Star appearances. Dave Parker also had a .339 OBP and cant get in. Parker had 2 batting titles, and a MVP. He is also played in 7 All stars and had 2 WS titles.
@@jonathonhappel Did Dave Parker have more hits than Beltre?
@@jonathonhappel It's almost as if the people voting for the Hall of Fame when Beltre was elected aren't the same people voting when Dave Parker was on the ballot.
I don't often disagree with Dan but good lord almighty, if ever there were a time Dan needed to stay in his lane, it's right now. Beltre NOT a first ballot hall of famer? He's a COMPILER? Literally his worst season was his age 19 rookie season. If he retired after 2012, he'd still be a first ballot hall of famer. 3,000 hits. 477 homeruns. An amazing defender. He is without question one of the top 5 third baseman of all time. Your problem is he flew under the radar and he wasn't in one of the 12 MLB games you watch a year outside of the postseason. It's that simple.
What you said is 100% correct on all counts. He actually got better as he aged. Never linked to PED's, plus had 5 gold gloves. What a stupid take by Dan.
Dan is rite finally someone said it go look at beltre reference he had like 3-4 good years he was not that great his ops is only .817 his ops plus is low come on
@@frankanuzzi9740 And he was also the second best defensive third baseman in history. He is a top 3 to 5 thrid baseman by every metric that measures a player in total. Try it. Name five third basemen who are better? You can't.
@@Markdfadf brooks Robinson and Nolan arenola are much better I’d say Mike Schmidt and Scott Rollen are better defensively, war can be misleading
Dan, I can buy Mauer not being a 1st ballot HOF, but I believe Beltre was a slam dunk 1st ballot. Schmidt is the greatest 3B ever, but Beltre is in the discussion for 2nd greatest. I get your counting stat argument, but that to me is what makes him a 1st ballot HOF. Extremely consistent for that many years is more impressive than massive peaks and valleys. Hank Aaron was that way [ never hit 50 HR in a season ] & Eddie Murray was that way and would be the player I would most compare Beltre to. Both 1st ballot HOF.
Beltre is a great 3B, but he's behind Chipper, Brett, Mathews, and (arguably) Brooks Robinson.
@@Vic-Vega It's a matter of opinion, you take the 4 you listed with Beltre and any combo of 2 to 6 probably works. remember of those 4 you listed, only Robinson has more Gold Gloves then Beltre's 5. Brett 1, Chipper 0 & Matthews 0 [ Gold Gloves didn't start until Matthews 6th year ]. Defense is factored into the equation too.
@@jerryczzowitz3384You put way too much weight into Golden Gloves. Also: the fielding at third was far more competitive in decades past than the AL in 2000s-2010s.
@@Vic-Vega I don't believe so, Robinson is on this list mostly because of his GG, he was a very good hitter also clutch, put pales in comparison to the others offensively on your list. Beltre is only 23 HR shy of being in 500 HR , 3000 H club. That is a very exclusive club. Beltre's WAR of 93.5 trails only Schmidt 106.8 & Matthews 96.
@@jerryczzowitz3384You realize WAR is a compiler stat, yeah?
If Clemens or Bonds could dunk a basketball would steroids be brought up ??
Let me paint this picture for you, a total of 7 catchers have won batting titles EVER. three of them have been won in the American league... all by Joe Mauer. He finished with 2000 hits and a career average of 306. Those are astounding for a catcher.
Don Mattingly should definitly be in the Hall of Fame.
HIS DAMN NICKNAME IS "BASEBALL ! "
Cheating on your wife disqualifies you from "Father of the Year?" Why? Check the rules, it's not "Husband of the Year" C'mon Dan
Dan doesn’t have many bad takes but to say Beltré is a complier is just wrong. Just because he played that many seasons doesn’t mean he was wasn’t good. He was amazing even in his last season.
He also said Roger Clemens wasn't Hall of Famer before steroids. He is an idiot. He name checks George Brett as a Hall of Famer but not Beltre. They are two most similar third basemen by JAWS and WAR.
Dan is just looking through his old eyes. I hate to say that, but Beltre was consistent just as much as Brett. He even has more hits than Brett. So idk why he says these stupid things
No way beltre is no wear near Brett go look year by year beltre ops is only .817 and low ops plus he’s definition of compiler
@@frankanuzzi9740 Beltre WAR 93.5 Brett WAR 88.6 Beltre WAA 52.6 Brett WAA 50.6 So to say "no way Beltre is near Brett" is factually wrong.
It is now the Hall of Very Good
Superstar? Don't forget what Ronald Acuna accomplished for the first time in history last year.
How is Billy Wagner not in? The HOF is becoming a joke.
Start with a 27.7 WAR (lower than thousands of ballplayers who aren't in Cooperstown) and finish with a postseason ERA of 10.03. I don't think Trevor Hoffman or Lee Smith deserve induction either, but unfortunately those ships have sailed.
@@DougPirahna All three should be in.
how do you know? you were'nt even a gleem in your fathers eyes!
Correct me if I’m wrong but John Franco has the most saves among left handed releavers. Why isn’t he in the Hall of Fame
Will Andruw Jones ever get into the HOF?
Nope.
@Vic-Vega He should, Harmon Killebrew got in with a .256 avg
Plus Jones has 10 Gold gloves. The dude was phenomenal
@@ChrisP-in8qrNot disagreeing with ya, just saying he ain't gettin' in.
Andruw Jones is the laziest player I have ever seen. In the relatively small sample of his games that I saw, I watched non-speedsters like Paul LoDuca and Brad Hawpe take an extra base when Jones played their routine singles lackadaisically, with the submarine flip back toward the infield not even getting near 2nd base ahead of the runner. Then, when the Braves had finally had enough of him at age 30, he signed with the Dodgers and showed up to spring training very fat. When asked about his weight, he laughed it off. He was told that the fans might not appreciate their team's big free agent showing up so out of shape, so he said he didn't care what the fans thought. If he was such a great player, why did very smart baseball guys like John Scheurholz and Bobby Cox let him walk out the door as a free agent in the prime of his career? New voters look at "analytics" and don't watch baseball games.
@@joebarr725Great anecdotal analysis there, and it has undoubtedly contributed (thus far) to him not getting in. Playing in the Steroid Era™ also didn't help.
The biggest snub from this year's list of candidates HAS to be Wagner, though.
I don't understand how someone who you believe should be in the hall of fame isn't worthy of a certain high percentage? All that means is that 95% of the voters looked at his name and resume and said "yes, he belongs in the hall of fame." Otherwise Dan's argument is "I think Beltre is a hall of famer, but I don't want too many people agreeing with me."
Father of the year analogy every year, and personally it’s a wack analogy.
Maybe husband of the year, but marriages doesn’t work out everytime, doesn’t mean i didn’t take care of my children
Total "Get Off My Lawn" vibes
Well played, Mauer.
WTF is a "compiler" lol? Every HOF baseball player had to "compile" great numbers. Weirdo.
Dumber than shit argument by Dan is what it is....I'll bet you anything he thinks Robin Yount is an easy hall of famer.....and his last 4 years or so were nothing but compiling numbers to get him in....and I don't say that as a bad thing.....I loved Yount as a player...but Beltre was still a better player than that at the end and playing a much more difficult defensive position. Dan's interest in baseball has just waned over the years and he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Adrian Beltre had 3,166 hits and almost 500 HRs. You don't think it's legitimate for him to be a first-ballot HOF? C'mon seriously?
Plus he had 5 Gold gloves. Dan's living in the Schmidt Brett era. Betre had more hits than both those guys. Stupid take.
Hof'ers should be the ones voting players into the HOF, not baseball writers. That should be one of the rewards to be in the HOF. To judge future hofers..
Totally agree. Last year’s vote the same
Dan Patrick smoking crack when he says Beltre isn't a 1st ballot hall of famer. Dude has the most hits & RBI's by a 3rd baseball. To me, if you are on the mt. Rushmore of your position both offensively & defensively, then there's really no debate.
Dan Patrick is correct…baseball is not the national pastime anymore. That’s a shame because baseball is the greatest game.
Cool. Now put Pete Rose, Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, Sosa, A-Rod, Manny in.
Not a strong take by Dan. There are flaws in just about every premise he states.
Agree Dan 💯 not first ballot
I think there is a voter problem. Babe Ruth doesn't get in unanimously? A lot of these guys should already be in or should go first ballot immediately.
Joe mauer is absolutely a first ballot, stop it danny P
Every eligible player with 3 or more batting titles is in, other than Bill Madlock. Mauer is a top 10 all time catcher. Dan is clueless here
So did Carl Lewis BTW. Ben was framed by the system!!
Billy Wagner is 6th in all time saves. Ahead of Fingers and Eckersley. Schilling not being in is biggest travesty.
Dan has a good point. Put Barry Bonds in the HOF, but on the plaque, just put, hof but yeah, cheated the game.
RONALD ACUNA
what's with all the crap on his desk?
The hall of very good
I would say Aaron Judge is a super star
This guy is delusional Beltre Mauer and Helton are legit Beltran should of got in to but the Astros scandal hindered his chances
He’s just out of touch. I agree about Joe mauer. Arod and the rest of those guys should get it. The reason we don’t care about it anymore is because of guys like this gate keeping our heroes out of the hall of fame. They destroy our best players. I despise guys like this.
Beltre was definitely not a compiler. Helton was a great hitter and I get tired of hearing about the Coors field crap.
There's only one Major League. Not leagues. Further means time.
MLB is the hardest hall of fame to make. Meanwhile this fool talks football, football . I love Dan but he sucks when it comes to baseball
Steve Garvey?!
Steve gets screwed every year. The guy was phenomenal
Exactly. Garvey should have been in years ago
@@johnbaker1823 Steve Garvey had a career WAR of 38. He didn't get on base, had marginal power and played a defensively unimportant position. He would be in the argument for the worst selection in the last 100 years. Garvey was the perfect example of the overrated player where people didn't understand that getting a walk is better than getting out.