From experience, that's not a genuine laugh. That's a warning laugh. The "haha, I'm laughing so nobody takes you seriously when you're talking about how I treat you when the cameras are off but you'd better shut up and not say anything worse or having your bed taken away will be the least of your worries." laugh.
also you can hear Chad's siblings laughing especially Shari talking the background she was Mummy and Daddys favourite child. But she had to look after all the kids when her parents were abroad when Covid struck and her parents were abroad do people not remember that!! Hope that comes up and the kids are able to tell the truth about how they were all treated and nobody protected them.
I'm sorry you speak from experience, that's upsetting to hear. It would be a plausible explanation for how she changed from laughing to frowning so quickly. Though she always has the power to edit it out, so still so unnecessary 😢
There's only so much that can be done when there's no concrete evidence, the kids won't talk, and the parents pull them out of school and isolate them from everyone.
according to Ruby's family they had complained to the authorities many times as did lots of her neighbours and Jodi's neighbours. She should have been confronted are these people afraid of Ruby, Jodi and of course Kevin who was there and involved sending poor Chad into the wilderness for a prank on his little brother.
The extended family tried to help. The sisters called authorities multiple times. No one should blame them; they actually tried to help. They can’t just kidnap the kids. The therapist was Jodi. So imo the people who failed them are their parents, Jodi, and law enforcement (including CPS). The school likely had no idea what was going on. They don’t seem like the type to talk to the school about the abuse since they likely don’t know they’re being abused. Honestly so many people tried to help. It’s just that our law enforcement fucking failed them. So i believe the core of the problem are the abusers and law enforcement. Also they pulled them out of school after Shari left. I feel like they likely enjoyed school considering how they were being treated back home. And LDS is definitely a problem, but I think everyone already knows that.
@@janis17656harisHe didn’t get sent to the camp for the Disneyland prank he lost his bedroom for 7 months and had to sleep on a bean bag. I believe the camp was after Chad pointed some sort of play gun, Dart, BB, airsoft I don’t remember but that was the last straw.
There apparently were tens of thousands of people complaining to the authorities about Abuse for years. If that is what she was showing during filming , we can all imagine what happened off camera. I think they have been protected by powerful people in the LDS for a long time. What’s bizarre the boy lost his room for playing the same prank Ruby did years ago when Russell was a baby. I guess she had filmed that prank since so many knew about it. I never heard of her until this. So I never saw it. But it’s ok for Ruby to do it but not her son? I am willing to bet the school was on to Ruby as she was the ultimate Karen complaining about everything. Ruby pulled the two youngest ones out to homeschool them, which we all know how that ended.
is this the way that the State of Utah is controlled by the Church of Lattery Day Saints (Mormons) and all members of that church are protected. I believe that USA needs to look into these types of churches or cults asap!!
In a podcast she admitted that the camera was a crutch for her to control her anger when dealing with her kids. She went so far as to say that in her early days of filming, she’d look at the footage and be in disbelief at how she was acting towards the kids.
The thing that bothers me on Kevin is his lawyer saying Kevin wants to reunite his kids and bring his family back together. He wants a relationship with his wife. Those kids do not need to be put back with those two.
I guess in the end it is the kids who decide if they want to be with him, it will be interesting to see. Also kevin is not in the church they dont allow beards. Time will tell...
I also hope the kids don’t go to Kevin. He also participated in the abuse. Unless he’s shown that he’s grown and changed, I don’t think anyone should trust him.
@@DaniellaR-xp4cpthe church does allow beards. He may not be in the church. I do not know what he has chosen to do. He lost his teaching job at the university. I don’t know if he will be able to support himself and the kids.
It’s funny (pun intended) that Ruby is allowed to laugh at taking her son’s bed away for months, but he isn’t allowed to laugh at the pranks he pulled.
Not shown but one of the "pranks" pulled was putting a bb gun to his brothers head. The smiling thing I think is a nervous reaction I seen her do this with Jodi too when she thinks she is going to meet with disapproval.
As the scapegoat daughter of a malignant narcissist mother, one of the reasons why a child may withdraw from their friends is embarrassment. I had to come in half an hour before every other child that I knew - it doesn't sound like a lot but it was enough to "other" me. It went on into my teens - youth club finished at 10:00 pm but I had to leave at 9:30 even though my father was picking me up - eventually it was easier not to go at all rather than always be the odd one out.
I'm sorry to hear your story, that must've been tough 😢 Embarrassment is an interesting theory, particularly as the majority of their lives have been put online for millions to see. It's very plausible 😢
I'm so happy the teachers are more aware of the children's needs now. I remember being yelled at so much when I was 12-13 and was falling asleep in class. The problem was that the baby in the appartement above us was crying all night and I had a light sleep, so I was woken up multiple times a night for months. Apparently, not sleeping enough wasn't a good excuse. I remember a teacher even got angry at me for yawning and told me "Excuse me, am I boring to you? No? Than what is your problem yawning?"... My dad was very angry with her.
@@sissybrooks8588 I mean, even without taking my problem as their responsabilities, they could have not yelled 😂 You can talk to me normally, I'm sleepy, not deaf 😂
I am a former teacher of young kids for many years, and teachers know when something is not right in the home. The children act out! The faces and expressions of the kids give them away, were very confused , did not want to be on camera, Ruby is a narcissistic, sociopath, her evil smirk and grin gives her away as she enjoys giving out pain and suffering!
When LDS children start going to school with non-church members some start questioning what they are taught. These children are then labeled defiant or troubled teens. If the parents or church cannot get them back under control they are put into troubled children’s schools/camps etc. Now I have lived all over the USA and I have never seen anything like this. You do not have to have any formal training to work at any of these type places. No background checks, no finger printing, no schooling etc. These children are tortured and abused even more than what they experience at home. Many commit suicide. When outside media gets involved the state will shut them down but they pop right back up under another name and owner. It is incredible how they get away with this. Police when called will tell you the parents have the right to punish their child however they see fit. School teachers and school administrators when confided in are supposed to alert DCFS/CPS but don’t as they are usually friends with these parents through their Ward. They instead tell the parent EXACTLY what they have been told and make it severely worse for the child (ren). Shari the oldest daughter said she had tried for years to get DCFS to do something but they never would. Siting that they Insufficient evidence. When a small child cannot communicate they will do nothing. Even though there is physical evidence to support the claim. Utah especially Southern Utah is very messed up. It is not about what the parents do but more about WHO THEY KNOW 🤝 iykyk
I believe Chad truly did want to be a better athlete. He demonstrated a genuine enjoyment in sports... which Ruby also took away from him as punishment.
And that's a whole other abuse of power. You shouldn't take away sports generally because of a) the need to look after yourself b) discouraging a healthy lifestyle but c) let alone if it was something that made him happy!
I am a teacher from the same state (Utah) and of the same religion as Ruby Franke. My reaction when I heard about this case was outrage toward all of the adults and embarrassment toward Child Protective Services in my state for not protecting those kids. It sounds like multiple neighbors (and i hope teachers) had made calls to report suspected CA, and nothing resulted of their concerns. If i was a Kindergarten teacher and one of my student's parents didn't at least put money in their child's account when they didnt have a lunch, I would be calling CPS and I would be buying a lunch for that poor baby. Additionally: in the state of Utah, teachers are included in the category of "mandated," reporters. If you become aware of potential CA you have to make a report to either CPS or police. I hope the teachers reported this awful mother and her equally guilty husband for neglect at the very least. I find this entire situation disgusting.
The youngest two kids (found at Jodi's) were definitely not going to school (their school started classes mid-August) -- and it's like five hours from Jodi's house. The middle two girls were found in American Fork, which is where their conservative Mormon school is located. They were reportedly safe, but not with family. Chad was kicked out of that same school, but I believe Shari graduated from the same school and is now she's at BYU. How she's managing school and this stuff is beyond me. Hope she's taking time off or fewer classes. No one seems to know where Chad is. I'm pretty sure he never even graduated high school.
These children never stood a chance. They attended schools with other Mormons and even the university being cited where the eldest daughter is meant to be attended is Mormon. And in their state, you're going to find Mormons in the police department, in child services, pretty much everywhere. And though they might not all be in the same league as Ruby or Jody, they are all going to sing from the same hymn book. There's no escape from this high-demand 'religion'. Jody reported counselling sessions of individuals to the Mormon bishop and the university, ruining peoples' lives for years. What's coming out of this case is horrific to thousands, if not millions, of people.
They stopped going to the private school in 2020. 2020-21 Chad went to public high school, Shari went back to the private school, the rest were homeschooled. 2021-22 they all went back to public school/charter school. The end of that school year is when Ruby and Kevin went off the deep end. 2022-23 they disappeared from the internet, but we can assume the younger kids were kept out of school. The last time we heard about Chad, Ruby said he was planning on graduating a semester early. He's believed to be at BYU now.
@@vertiian I'm curious how would Chad graduate early. Didn't he miss a lot of school because of that wilderness camp? Also, BYU is hard to get into and he never seemed into his studies. Who knows. All we know is Ruby likes to lie and hide information to make her life seem perfect. It is strange he's not really been involved in this like Shari is. Shari even has her own attorney.
@@vertiian I think chad is with his dad. He’s old enough to choose where he lives. He wanted to get away as fast as he could and I don’t blame. When ruby wouldn’t bring eve a lunch to her at school that’s when I was like omg. She’s six mom is supposed to take care of that. She’s too young to do it herself
The mad thing is that she filmed these conversations, edited the video and then posted it to a public platform. She cannot complain at all when people reported them to CPS; she literally grassed in herself!
15:15 I love that y’all do this- understanding that if a kiddo is falling asleep for a few min in the classroom, there’s probably a reason…and a quick Power Nap can make all the difference!
Thank you for your support ❤️ No point making them push through it or getting cross about it, it's their body screaming out for a break, so there's no way they'd manage quality learning!
There is one person who is profoundly grateful for Ruby Franke... Her name is Lori Vallow, another crazy mormon... Lori is no longer the most hated woman in America...... thanks Ruby, Love Lori
Look up Lori Vallow Daybell online. She was a crazy woman who murdered her 2 children& conspired with her new husband to murder his first wife. Her trial was in Idaho this summer & was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison w/out parole. Her husband Chris Daybell has not been tried yet,but is in prison. This has destroyed 4 families.
I don't know how Ruby could be worse... Lori's children were actually murdered. .the comment really makes no sense. If anything Ruby would be grateful for Lori....and when Loris oldest son confronted her. She was so delusional about the severity of the situation and had no remorse whatsoever....
Hello, i am from Utah, was a practicing Mormon up until about 8 years ago, and actually grew up right around the corner from Ruby. I am 2 years older, but we were playmates all through elementary school, and acquaintances all the way through high school. I wanted to comment on Ruby accusing her child of SA and stating they first came in contact with porn at the age of 3. One thing to keep in mind is that Ruby is very orthodox, and I believe has a very skewed idea of what porn even is, and also, while I absolutely agree that Ruby is guilty of what happened to her children, I also believe that she was very much a victim of her sham of a therapist/business partner, Jodi Hildebrandt. If you haven't seen it, there were two recent interviews done on Mormon Stories Podcast, one with Jodi's niece, and the other with a boy scout SA whistleblower, both of room received "therapy" from Jodi that was unethical, abusive, inappropriate, etc. I do not believe Ruby's child is guilty of SA, nor do i believe they are sex addicts or that it started with viewing porn at age 3. But i do believe that Jodi has manipulated Ruby into believing it
Ruby & Kevin removed the kids from school & were homeschooling them. Viewers suspected it was because teachers were in fact reporting things. There was a history of Ruby being problematic, such as refusing to bring in a lunch for her 5 year old, telling the teacher who called that the child was in fact responsible for packing her own lunch & she "told me she had" & told the teacher "the natural outcome is that she's going to have to go hungry & I hope no one steps in & gives her good" she also had a fit about a school approved Tik Tok dance for PE class & she ctied & spun out of control on TH-cam over it. There are videos documenting both situations & just imagine the things we don't know about. But regardless, teachers wouldn't have been aware of what was going on recently because as I said, they were taken out of school
2 children were removed from school at different times for a while when they felt they weren't getting the support they needed. The children then returned to school. Infact they were even at a private school for a few years. Chad left the private school as he wasn't happy at it and returned to public school. They were homeschooling during covid, like millions of others across the world, and in 2021 the children were given the option to return to school or continue home schooling. Some of the children returned to school. The younger 2 didn't.
I do want to learn more about Kevin and his involvement, understanding and why he didn't do more to defend the kids. Hopefully details will come out in a court hearing for who gets custody.
@@PetitePrimary I agree. It’s just a long time to go without seeing your kids. I would’ve taken her ass to court if I were him. I wish Shari could get those kids.
Indeed she has. Did find it ironic though that she was asking for medical support knowing she purposely caused medical harm to her kids and also previously published a video of her stalling for over an hour before taking Sheri to the hospital. The kids deserve and deserved so much better.
Have you seen the videos where she pretty much forced the two youngest to sleep on bathroom floor because of wetting the bed or being unwell. How ill do you think your going to get sleeping on a cold possible damp floor.
I saw clips of when they did for being unwell, but not for wetting the bed. Just even talking about the subject and all their friends seeing those videos online must be horrid for them too
That was the first clip I reacted to and I guess they may not want to put themselves in the public light like that. I'm hoping they did what they could and what was within their control, but you wouldn't want to make yourself vulnerable to people potentially blaming or shaming etc.
The schools around where I live are not allowed to let the kids go without a lunch. Whether they give them a school tray or whatever, EVERY child eats a lunch!
Teachers are mandated reporters !! Why didn’t she speak up ? This little child is just a baby and is still dependent . SMH Mom refuses to feed her child or refuses to let anyone to do that ? Despicable! Intolerable !
17:48 YES!! I thought then same thing. They are so emotionally beat down and broken, they know they just have to go along with it and don’t have much of a reaction. So sad.
15 is years ago when my friends 7 year old was getting a huge attitude with his parents they took everything out of his bedroom except for his bed and then gave him a set of clothes each day for him to wear within a few weeks he was back to the fun-loving sweet boy that they had before he was immersed in video games. There is no need to be as manipulative controlling and abusive as
I am wondering about the ethics of the press (it was the Daily Mail so the ethics may not be great) reporting court details of claims of children SAing other children, whether they turn out to be true or not, and even if they did not name the children. These kids will now go to school (if not home schooled) with this speculation. I would struggle as an adult. It reminds me of SA survivors saying the process of reporting is like another ordeal (I don't mean to conflate survivors and perpetrators).
I would love for both the Daily Mail and the allegations to be made up. If she did really say that and it's false, that's a whole new level of trauma and abuse she's then inflicted on them for no reason other than to protect herself.
@@PetitePrimarythe Daily Mail wouldn’t know a moral compass if it splashed on the front page of all other newspapers and a plane was dropping actual compasses on their heads. But from what I have heard from Jodie’s niece and other victims, they probably absolutely believe that this poor boy is a sexual predator. Remember that their definition of pornography is “whatever turns you on” and Jodie’s main business was in sexual addiction recovery, where if you masturbated once a month you were a sexual addict. So I believe she said it and believed it, and also I believe the Daily Hail should not have written it up.
@@annafdd I've heard several people connected to them and former 'clients' say ruby and jodi accused them of the same exact things. It shows an MO on the women's parts because they use it to try to discredit people. One guy lost his marriage and his place at BYU over such allegations. Now she's trying to discredit Russell
It was NOT just reported in the Daily mail… Ruby said exactly that about HER son being a S predator in an emergency custody hearing, she said her 12 year old SON!! has been “addicted” to CORN with a capital P since he was 3 YEARS OLD😮 and he hurt his younger siblings (which there is only one) and cousins and many neighborhood children 😢 THIS is reported everywhere!! Not just DM😢
if the teachers had photographic evidence that the kids were being abused they are mandatory reporters so if they had the evidence and didn't report it to CPS they could be charged as co-conspirators in the case for being derelict in their duty to report their suspicion of child abuse.
I’m not sure if it’s normal in America but the amount of times the kids changed schools seemed odd, public school, private or homeschooled, there didn’t seem to be any consistency in their education
I grew up in Utah. I’m not Morman, but I do know that they encourage socializing, so not having friends is not because of the religion though it may be her distorted view of it.
Children don't SA... they imitate- or- the explore which is perfectly natural... no one wants to acknowledge this fact... children are naturally curious and the mormons shame children for such natural curiosities.... and children don't find corn on their own at 3... she needs to be charged with slander as well as the felony abuse... who says such horrible lies about their own child? RUBY FRANKE DOES.....
No one seems to comment on the fact that Chad plays this fairly cruel prank on his little brother, and where he may have learned that being cruel gives him power? His parents taught him that. The children have no power at all in that house. No privacy , no friends, no way to communicate with friends even if they had them. And while i do feel that pulling a cruel prank on his brother should deserve some sort of consequence, taking his private space, his autonomy, and his ability to just be himself, is never ok, and not remotely related to the offense. The other fact that Ruby brings up about the BB gun, is also concerning on several levels, but its the same exact response to having no control or power, IMO. Chad is maybe 17 at this point. He has no friends, no control, and maybe in his mind, having control over his little brother is not that surprising. His parents taught him to prey on the weak. Thats what he is doing
I'm always interested in hearing other people's perspectives. It definitely has plausibility. I 100% agree with you though that he was a teen with no autonomy or power which may have explained some of his actions or bad grades etc. I hope that he can start to heal from all those experiences and get support now that he's left the house.
There was also some reporting that he was having back issues because he wasn't sleeping on a bed fo so long. At his age, solid sleep is critical to his growth both physically and mentally. The clip of him saying he got kicked out of school and was doing poorly is very telling. He almost seems manic. As if he doesn't care, OR that he feels rebellious and somewhat powerful at how pissed off he has made his parents. To kids, all attention is good attention. If he only gets attention when he is "bad", then that's what he will do.
@@jodyprall9288 Absolutely. I think I even said such a thing about sleep affecting him developmentally. That and having to sleep rough in that camp in the wilderness...
You're not waffly, it was all very relevant and astute observations. I saw the same snippets of videos, not having ever watched their family channel, since this all blew up on the news, & even I could see that several of the kids looked VERY sleep-deprived. All of them looked slim/ too skinny, but the two youngest, especially, looked malnourished to me... You're right, that the punishments all seemed very vague /random and seem more to do with Ruby's need to have complete authority/control over their entire lives, than having any real 'value' /lesson they were teaching their kids. I know now a lot of other channels have criticised those closest to them, but I think that it is easy to judge someone else's involvement/not in any given case. What IS clear to me, as a mother myself, is that the abuse was obvious even just from the videos, & given the issue was apparently & allegedly brought to the attention, repeatedly, to social services & local police from neighbours, viewers & at least one sister, the neice of Jody (re. her OWN related abuse...) and the fact that Shery(?) now claims to ALSO have alerted authorities to issues within the family unit shows the EXTENT of the attempts to draw this all to the attention of outside forces, apparently to no avail... It breaks my heart what all these children went through, & you're right, their increasing abuse, the increasing severity of punishments meted out to the children and them being fairly isolated, to then be taken out of school...ALL of this, & those incidences with the school lunches, painted a much broader picture that was rather worrying at best, alarming at worst. We all now know the truth, for them, was in fact far worse than any reasonable person could have imagined... I have tried hard not to blame the father for being away for more than a year, but given he is their father, given BEFORE THAT he was too often on camera CONDONING much of the more dubious/harsh punishments, like the camp they sent the poor eldest son to... I know he (Kevin) has put out statements - much like the sisters', claiming utter ignorance, yet even much of the public knew that you could see the damage being done from some of the harsher rules that were implemented. It is clear to me that some of these individuals know more than is being admitted to, and that Kevin, as their father, REGARDLESS of what his controlling wife was TELLING HIM what he needed to do to 'save their marraige', as their father should not have ACCEPTED such terms, but been suspicious & should at some point have checked up on his children's welfare. My children are both adults now, but EVEN if they were a little estranged I would, out of love, TRY to keep up attempts at SOME contact with them, because no one can replace a parent & it is his (Kevin's) absence that allowed a lot of what happened to take place WITHOUT proper scrutiny or questions being put /asked by others concerned about her methods. I think the school's position is a difficult one. As is the neighbours' if they had indeed tried to reach out to police/social services - there is little you can do without outright proof of wrong-doing, It struck me just from watching the limited videos I have, that the problem was more widespread then just an isolated problem in Ruby's immediate family.
The girls in the background were laughing at Chad's prank but didn't say anything to them but when Chad laughed she threated to take the room away again.she def was not consistent with discipline.she laughed at eve (the youngest) while fisplining herShe (ruby).went ballastic when the girls were doing a tik too dance at school to a certain controversial song
Really think ruby is so messed up from her own upbringing she doesn't know whats good and bad. I remember evy taking fits when she was about 5 and i had a gut feeling something was wrong.
its almost as if she didnt want sons! and she is just so strict with the boys and Shari was the girl that could do nothing wrong. But now Shari seems to have come out of the hell hole and gone to uni away from the situation and survived. She is wanting to protect her siblings but she is not really in the situation to become a parent to the younger ones. Kevin definitely needs to be talked to by the police as well he was there when they sent Chad into the wilderness for such a silly thing. Kevin is as bad as Ruby and Jodi
@@DaniellaR-xp4cp do u follow her parents and sisters. Her parents are the kindest people. It’s possible it’s her personality not genetic. When they were young she was strict but not that strict. She seems to have gotten worse w/ Jodie. I think she’s evil and she has done this many times. Many have come out to say how evil. Now do I think ruby is innocent-absolutely not. She is just as guilty
I agree. Her parents are awesome as are her brother,sisters and sisters in law. Not abusive at all and very open. I have watched all of them since the beginning or almost anyway
I see news commentators with videos on TH-cam that actually say aloud the words "child abuse". Why have people suddenly started using the initials CA for child abuse etc.?
@@annafddYou're right and when it's demonetised TH-cam won't push the video out as much because they're not making money. I want these to be educational though so I want it seen!
I don't know why "Going to bed without dinner" as a punishment is so normalized. About as much as spanking. Also, I wonder why she wouldn't allow Chad the couch? I actually wonder what the impact on his growth/bones/skeletal structure is now since sleeping on a bean bag/floor for 7 months and then on top of it going to that retched camp for 10 weeks sleeping in a tent without a mattress.
Because a couch is too nice. Also it’s not so much as “normalized” it’s just how abusive parents make it a “normal” punishment. Even prisoners get a bed, blanket, room and food 3xs a day. She’s just an evil person
There is shari that is 20 years old and she didn’t get the food discipline, the room taken away, she didn’t go to minor bootcamps, or got tied up by a rope and shari didn’t do anything when her siblings are getting yelled at and phone taken away,
While she was still living there though I imagine it was hard. It's also not up to her, as she would've been younger at the time (she's now moved out) to argue against her parent's parenting style. Since she left to college and has seen a new outlook on life, she seems to be speaking out a lot, following with the case and I've seen some resources that say she's been looking after her siblings, but unsure if true.
Could still be applicable if they're extreme Mormons (I'm assuming Ruby isn't representative of them), but if you're right, that definitely adds interest to the quote.
You didn't answer the question, did the school spot signs? I don't like pranks, a lot go too far online, getting people to laugh at another's expense for "entertainment" purposes breaks trust for one. You see signs all over youtube, while people have got their happy faces on behind that excessive happiness and extreme positive, its hiding the reality of the opposite, which is heartbreaking. I also don't like people laughing at others and doing reaction videos....or bringing light to children and toddlers being groomed, and putting it online for the audience's attention, to laugh at and make fun of, when its not funny, its just awful. This member of the audience does not like to sit in any of that audience at all.
There's no way I can be definitive with the answer as nobody from the school has spoken out, however, I can only react from this as a teacher and what I would suspect you might have seen from the kids at school: tiredness, looking isolated. I go into a lot of detail about this in the Eve video too. It was not at all click bait, more a rhetorical question to open up discussion and a focus for the video.
The clip with Chad and Russell play wrestling is especially bad because Chad says they’re playing, she says she knows they are, but threatens them anyway. They were having fun. Shame on them for making noise laughing.
@@PetitePrimary "EX" as in exhusband. She is known to have split up couples and encouraged the man to leave his home, supposedly temporarity until they could work out their issues. Then, she would get very close to the guy's wife. idk. It's all so weird.
@@rachelh5467 Ah I see what you mean now! Do you think Kevin is an innocent party then? 🤔 It does shock me how if that's the case, Jodi manipulated Ruby so much that she went to this extent of abuse and saw nothing wrong about it
@@lisachavez3911Thanks for clarifying... yeah that is strange. It's very predatory when put like that. I saw Jodi's niece's video too and she said all the stuff Ruby was talking about was Jodi's ideology and the cell mate of Ruby said she was very obsessed with Jodi. A cult expert needs to give their say I think!
That's so confusing then? Why would she want him to appear like he has no friends? Unless he felt like he had to cut them off to appease her. Either way, it's a sad situation being on and off friends. Unless the friends video was more of a cover up?
@@PetitePrimary I know at the time of the video when Chad was with his friends I was so happy for him. If I recall he even said him and one of them need each other for years. I was wondering in the video that he said he has no friends if he was having an off day. I hope Chad is ok . 🙂
@@schewitt1977 I hope he is too. Apparently he was on the call seeing his mum and Jodi in court, so I hope that this is the start of closure and healing for him x
@@schewitt1977 Maybe he had a off day but I was thinking that maybe it was also hard to have a good relationship with your friends when your mom has a camera in your face all the time, I don't know... Parents might not want their kids' faces on the internet, or the kids can be uncomfortable having no privacy with him... It's a difficult situation. I saw a clip of Chad's father reading out loud the texts Chad and a girl were exchanging. It must be pretty hard to be friends with someone when you know that if Chad makes one single mistake, everybody will know your secrets and it will be plastered on TH-cam :(
I guarantee that not all (Mormons) as you know them don't treat their children this way. This is not a (Mormon) thing. I have deep empathy for these children. They have all clearly been abused by their parents.
Don't get me wrong Ruby is guilty she will go to prison for her CURRENT crimes. By the point of this video They had been seeing Jodi as there therapist for year maybe two. You don't seek out therapy because life is blissful. They were struggling with something and went looking for help. THEY GOT JODI. I beg you to go look up Victims of Jodi Hildebrandt The lunch clip was also as Jodi. Yes before Jodi Ruby threatened to do things. We don't know if she actually did them or not. After Jodi she did follow through the punishments became more mean and clearly criminal. According the neighbors that was after Kevin was kicked out. After Ruby stopped talking to her family and friends and the only people in Ruby's circle were women that Jodi approved of.
I don’t understand why he’s being punished for a silly prank in the first place. It was harmless. And funny! Although, Disneyland probably wasn’t the best bait. But that doesn’t warrant 7 months of being dehumanized.
I don't agree with your characterization of Mormon parents. Some may be strict, but most try to be good in a balanced way. Ruby was perpetuating The Cult of Jodi.Hildebrandt.
I feel like when I see students talking about a consequence the way he did, it can be a sign the consequence didn't exactly work the way the adult intended and/or they don't feel they did anything wrong. I don't feel like I can entirely blame him. I do think taking a bedroom away from a kid for that long for a prank where no one got physically hurt is over the top. I've seen/heard of worse behavior with less severe consequences. (I am aware, though, that the trademark of abuse is consequences outweighing negative behavior.)
It means she’s a psychopath that should have never had children or stopped at one! If the Mormon church doesn’t believe in birth control then they should do a complete physiological test on both the parents before they are allowed to ruin lives!
Not defending Ruby. However CHAD didn’t lose his bed JUST for being cruel to his little brother. He also put a BB gun to his head and suspended his little brother in a basketball net. Why do they keep cutting off the rest of the story?
Regarding the mean prank the older boy played on the younger brother, it’s hardly shocking for a person brought up in this kind of narcissistic, performative, attention-seeking environment to do such a thing. Regarding the kindergartner’s lunch issue, I can see refusing to take a lunch to school for a 12-year-old who kept forgetting after being repeatedly reminded, but kindergarten student is not going to have that level of responsibility.
You cut the video so you didn’t have to address the fact that Chad also admits to pointing a gun at his brother and that was the real reason he had his bedroom taken away. I certainly don’t condone what Ruby did but you should at least be honest about it.
It was a BB GUN, not a gun…so don’t mistake facts here. They are 2 completely different things! And the BB gun incident was cut from that clip long before this creator got this clip. It’s been left out of that clip when any creator uses it.
I didn't cut the clip, as I had to download this elsewhere (original video deleted from TH-cam), this is what I saw. If you can link me to the full clip somewhere, I'd appreciate it if I've missed details.
“Hello and welcome to another video where I become angry @Ruby Franke”😂😂 sorry I laughed way too hard😮 Having been watching “true crime” videos for a long time now, specifically having to do with children /parents/adults hurting children, I have seen teachers and other adults repeatedly report abuse…and no one listens until the children are either severely hurt or just gone😢 so reporting is great, getting someone to do something about it is a whole other “story😢😢😢😢😢
I know they ended up being homeschooled, but as I said, I'm unaware of the exact time this clip was made but my understanding was at this point they were still at school
From experience, that's not a genuine laugh. That's a warning laugh. The "haha, I'm laughing so nobody takes you seriously when you're talking about how I treat you when the cameras are off but you'd better shut up and not say anything worse or having your bed taken away will be the least of your worries." laugh.
😢💔😭💔😳
I agree her laugh is Evil
also you can hear Chad's siblings laughing especially Shari talking the background she was Mummy and Daddys favourite child. But she had to look after all the kids when her parents were abroad when Covid struck and her parents were abroad do people not remember that!! Hope that comes up and the kids are able to tell the truth about how they were all treated and nobody protected them.
Right on!!
I'm sorry you speak from experience, that's upsetting to hear.
It would be a plausible explanation for how she changed from laughing to frowning so quickly.
Though she always has the power to edit it out, so still so unnecessary 😢
SO many people failed these kids; from the parents, to the therapists, the church, the school, CPS, and extended family. Unbelievable
There's only so much that can be done when there's no concrete evidence, the kids won't talk, and the parents pull them out of school and isolate them from everyone.
according to Ruby's family they had complained to the authorities many times as did lots of her neighbours and Jodi's neighbours. She should have been confronted are these people afraid of Ruby, Jodi and of course Kevin who was there and involved sending poor Chad into the wilderness for a prank on his little brother.
The extended family tried to help. The sisters called authorities multiple times. No one should blame them; they actually tried to help. They can’t just kidnap the kids. The therapist was Jodi. So imo the people who failed them are their parents, Jodi, and law enforcement (including CPS). The school likely had no idea what was going on. They don’t seem like the type to talk to the school about the abuse since they likely don’t know they’re being abused. Honestly so many people tried to help. It’s just that our law enforcement fucking failed them. So i believe the core of the problem are the abusers and law enforcement. Also they pulled them out of school after Shari left. I feel like they likely enjoyed school considering how they were being treated back home. And LDS is definitely a problem, but I think everyone already knows that.
@@janis17656harisHe didn’t get sent to the camp for the Disneyland prank he lost his bedroom for 7 months and had to sleep on a bean bag. I believe the camp was after Chad pointed some sort of play gun, Dart, BB, airsoft I don’t remember but that was the last straw.
people tried to help, youtubers and neighbors called the police on the parents 15 times, the police failed the kids definitely.
There apparently were tens of thousands of people complaining to the authorities about Abuse for years. If that is what she was showing during filming , we can all imagine what happened off camera.
I think they have been protected by powerful people in the LDS for a long time. What’s bizarre the boy lost his room for playing the same prank Ruby did years ago when Russell was a baby. I guess she had filmed that prank since so many knew about it. I never heard of her until this. So I never saw it. But it’s ok for Ruby to do it but not her son?
I am willing to bet the school was on to Ruby as she was the ultimate Karen complaining about everything. Ruby pulled the two youngest ones out to homeschool them, which we all know how that ended.
is this the way that the State of Utah is controlled by the Church of Lattery Day Saints (Mormons) and all members of that church are protected. I believe that USA needs to look into these types of churches or cults asap!!
In a podcast she admitted that the camera was a crutch for her to control her anger when dealing with her kids. She went so far as to say that in her early days of filming, she’d look at the footage and be in disbelief at how she was acting towards the kids.
That is why the police wanted all the footage nothing shown broke any laws. Stuff we didn't see might have.
Just blame it on the kid prison officers that let it happen
The thing that bothers me on Kevin is his lawyer saying Kevin wants to reunite his kids and bring his family back together. He wants a relationship with his wife. Those kids do not need to be put back with those two.
I guess in the end it is the kids who decide if they want to be with him, it will be interesting to see. Also kevin is not in the church they dont allow beards. Time will tell...
I also hope the kids don’t go to Kevin. He also participated in the abuse. Unless he’s shown that he’s grown and changed, I don’t think anyone should trust him.
@@DaniellaR-xp4cpthe church does allow beards. He may not be in the church. I do not know what he has chosen to do.
He lost his teaching job at the university. I don’t know if he will be able to support himself and the kids.
It’s funny (pun intended) that Ruby is allowed to laugh at taking her son’s bed away for months, but he isn’t allowed to laugh at the pranks he pulled.
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Not shown but one of the "pranks" pulled was putting a bb gun to his brothers head. The smiling thing I think is a nervous reaction I seen her do this with Jodi too when she thinks she is going to meet with disapproval.
As the scapegoat daughter of a malignant narcissist mother, one of the reasons why a child may withdraw from their friends is embarrassment. I had to come in half an hour before every other child that I knew - it doesn't sound like a lot but it was enough to "other" me. It went on into my teens - youth club finished at 10:00 pm but I had to leave at 9:30 even though my father was picking me up - eventually it was easier not to go at all rather than always be the odd one out.
I'm sorry to hear your story, that must've been tough 😢 Embarrassment is an interesting theory, particularly as the majority of their lives have been put online for millions to see. It's very plausible 😢
The abuse and neglect goes back at least 8 years. There is absolutely no way people can deny it was happening.
Yeah she's pled guilty to horrid things and that's only towards two children, though admittedly the most recent cases were the most extreme
Yes, long before Ruby met Jodi.
I'm so happy the teachers are more aware of the children's needs now. I remember being yelled at so much when I was 12-13 and was falling asleep in class. The problem was that the baby in the appartement above us was crying all night and I had a light sleep, so I was woken up multiple times a night for months. Apparently, not sleeping enough wasn't a good excuse. I remember a teacher even got angry at me for yawning and told me "Excuse me, am I boring to you? No? Than what is your problem yawning?"... My dad was very angry with her.
So you expected teachers to cater to your personal problems? LOL, here's a newsflash: a teacher is not your nanny,.
@@chickenlover657 That's not what I'm saying and you absolutely know that. Or you have reading comprehension difficulties. Sorry for you.
@chickenlover657 a good teacher would have known their student well enough or st least investigated. The teacher stunk.
@@sissybrooks8588 I mean, even without taking my problem as their responsabilities, they could have not yelled 😂 You can talk to me normally, I'm sleepy, not deaf 😂
@@sissybrooks8588 That's not an american tradition. All teachers stink in that same way. But to be fair it's not in their job description.
I am a former teacher of young kids for many years, and teachers know when something is not right in the home. The children act out! The faces and expressions of the kids give them away, were very confused , did not want to be on camera, Ruby is a narcissistic, sociopath, her evil smirk and grin gives her away as she enjoys giving out pain and suffering!
Agreed. The abuse was occurring before Ruby met Jodi. Her relationship with Jodi was one of the approved to abuse her kids.
When LDS children start going to school with non-church members some start questioning what they are taught. These children are then labeled defiant or troubled teens. If the parents or church cannot get them back under control they are put into troubled children’s schools/camps etc. Now I have lived all over the USA and I have never seen anything like this. You do not have to have any formal training to work at any of these type places. No background checks, no finger printing, no schooling etc. These children are tortured and abused even more than what they experience at home. Many commit suicide. When outside media gets involved the state will shut them down but they pop right back up under another name and owner. It is incredible how they get away with this. Police when called will tell you the parents have the right to punish their child however they see fit. School teachers and school administrators when confided in are supposed to alert DCFS/CPS but don’t as they are usually friends with these parents through their Ward. They instead tell the parent EXACTLY what they have been told and make it severely worse for the child (ren). Shari the oldest daughter said she had tried for years to get DCFS to do something but they never would. Siting that they Insufficient evidence. When a small child cannot communicate they will do nothing. Even though there is physical evidence to support the claim.
Utah especially Southern Utah is very messed up. It is not about what the parents do but more about WHO THEY KNOW
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I believe Chad truly did want to be a better athlete. He demonstrated a genuine enjoyment in sports... which Ruby also took away from him as punishment.
And that's a whole other abuse of power. You shouldn't take away sports generally because of a) the need to look after yourself b) discouraging a healthy lifestyle but c) let alone if it was something that made him happy!
I am a teacher from the same state (Utah) and of the same religion as Ruby Franke. My reaction when I heard about this case was outrage toward all of the adults and embarrassment toward Child Protective Services in my state for not protecting those kids. It sounds like multiple neighbors (and i hope teachers) had made calls to report suspected CA, and nothing resulted of their concerns. If i was a Kindergarten teacher and one of my student's parents didn't at least put money in their child's account when they didnt have a lunch, I would be calling CPS and I would be buying a lunch for that poor baby.
Additionally: in the state of Utah, teachers are included in the category of "mandated," reporters. If you become aware of potential CA you have to make a report to either CPS or police. I hope the teachers reported this awful mother and her equally guilty husband for neglect at the very least. I find this entire situation disgusting.
I have these same feelings. Thanks for explaining so eloquently.
She doesn’t have a religion she is faking it
The youngest two kids (found at Jodi's) were definitely not going to school (their school started classes mid-August) -- and it's like five hours from Jodi's house. The middle two girls were found in American Fork, which is where their conservative Mormon school is located. They were reportedly safe, but not with family. Chad was kicked out of that same school, but I believe Shari graduated from the same school and is now she's at BYU. How she's managing school and this stuff is beyond me. Hope she's taking time off or fewer classes. No one seems to know where Chad is. I'm pretty sure he never even graduated high school.
These children never stood a chance. They attended schools with other Mormons and even the university being cited where the eldest daughter is meant to be attended is Mormon. And in their state, you're going to find Mormons in the police department, in child services, pretty much everywhere. And though they might not all be in the same league as Ruby or Jody, they are all going to sing from the same hymn book. There's no escape from this high-demand 'religion'. Jody reported counselling sessions of individuals to the Mormon bishop and the university, ruining peoples' lives for years. What's coming out of this case is horrific to thousands, if not millions, of people.
They stopped going to the private school in 2020. 2020-21 Chad went to public high school, Shari went back to the private school, the rest were homeschooled. 2021-22 they all went back to public school/charter school. The end of that school year is when Ruby and Kevin went off the deep end. 2022-23 they disappeared from the internet, but we can assume the younger kids were kept out of school. The last time we heard about Chad, Ruby said he was planning on graduating a semester early. He's believed to be at BYU now.
@@Arcadia61 that is why it was kept under cover because Utah State is run by the Mormon Church/Church of Latter Day Saints both cults!!!
@@vertiian I'm curious how would Chad graduate early. Didn't he miss a lot of school because of that wilderness camp? Also, BYU is hard to get into and he never seemed into his studies. Who knows. All we know is Ruby likes to lie and hide information to make her life seem perfect. It is strange he's not really been involved in this like Shari is. Shari even has her own attorney.
@@vertiian I think chad is with his dad. He’s old enough to choose where he lives. He wanted to get away as fast as he could and I don’t blame. When ruby wouldn’t bring eve a lunch to her at school that’s when I was like omg. She’s six mom is supposed to take care of that. She’s too young to do it herself
I hope that all of these children will be able to start healing and begin to have stability in their lives from now on.
💯 I hope that they do too!
The mad thing is that she filmed these conversations, edited the video and then posted it to a public platform. She cannot complain at all when people reported them to CPS; she literally grassed in herself!
15:15 I love that y’all do this- understanding that if a kiddo is falling asleep for a few min in the classroom, there’s probably a reason…and a quick Power Nap can make all the difference!
Thank you for your support ❤️ No point making them push through it or getting cross about it, it's their body screaming out for a break, so there's no way they'd manage quality learning!
There is one person who is profoundly grateful for Ruby Franke... Her name is Lori Vallow, another crazy mormon... Lori is no longer the most hated woman in America...... thanks Ruby, Love Lori
I've never heard of her! Can you educate me? 😅
Look up Lori Vallow Daybell online. She was a crazy woman who murdered her 2 children& conspired with her new husband to murder his first wife. Her trial was in Idaho this summer & was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison w/out parole. Her husband Chris Daybell has not been tried yet,but is in prison. This has destroyed 4 families.
@@charleigh3275Chad Daybell
I don't know how Ruby could be worse... Lori's children were actually murdered. .the comment really makes no sense. If anything Ruby would be grateful for Lori....and when Loris oldest son confronted her. She was so delusional about the severity of the situation and had no remorse whatsoever....
What was the motive behind that? When you mentioned before she was Mormon... was it religion related? 😮
I’m glad the youngest boy got help for him and his sister
100%!
Hello, i am from Utah, was a practicing Mormon up until about 8 years ago, and actually grew up right around the corner from Ruby. I am 2 years older, but we were playmates all through elementary school, and acquaintances all the way through high school. I wanted to comment on Ruby accusing her child of SA and stating they first came in contact with porn at the age of 3. One thing to keep in mind is that Ruby is very orthodox, and I believe has a very skewed idea of what porn even is, and also, while I absolutely agree that Ruby is guilty of what happened to her children, I also believe that she was very much a victim of her sham of a therapist/business partner, Jodi Hildebrandt. If you haven't seen it, there were two recent interviews done on Mormon Stories Podcast, one with Jodi's niece, and the other with a boy scout SA whistleblower, both of room received "therapy" from Jodi that was unethical, abusive, inappropriate, etc. I do not believe Ruby's child is guilty of SA, nor do i believe they are sex addicts or that it started with viewing porn at age 3. But i do believe that Jodi has manipulated Ruby into believing it
By their standards advertisements for bras or other underwear is a form of porn.
@@ilenestrong7471not necessarily. However, if something makes you uncomfortable, don’t watch it.
Ruby & Kevin removed the kids from school & were homeschooling them. Viewers suspected it was because teachers were in fact reporting things. There was a history of Ruby being problematic, such as refusing to bring in a lunch for her 5 year old, telling the teacher who called that the child was in fact responsible for packing her own lunch & she "told me she had" & told the teacher "the natural outcome is that she's going to have to go hungry & I hope no one steps in & gives her good" she also had a fit about a school approved Tik Tok dance for PE class & she ctied & spun out of control on TH-cam over it. There are videos documenting both situations & just imagine the things we don't know about. But regardless, teachers wouldn't have been aware of what was going on recently because as I said, they were taken out of school
2 children were removed from school at different times for a while when they felt they weren't getting the support they needed.
The children then returned to school. Infact they were even at a private school for a few years. Chad left the private school as he wasn't happy at it and returned to public school.
They were homeschooling during covid, like millions of others across the world, and in 2021 the children were given the option to return to school or continue home schooling. Some of the children returned to school. The younger 2 didn't.
Ruby takes the opposite of anything and everything. Everything the kids do, whether good or bad, is wrong!! What a witch!!
I’m so glad that Chad got away from her. She’s a freaking weirdo. I think Kevin is a weirdo too and I hope he does not get those younger kids.
I do want to learn more about Kevin and his involvement, understanding and why he didn't do more to defend the kids. Hopefully details will come out in a court hearing for who gets custody.
@@PetitePrimary I agree. It’s just a long time to go without seeing your kids. I would’ve taken her ass to court if I were him. I wish Shari could get those kids.
Very fair point!
I can't imagine her bringing her children to Disneyland. They'd have fun there, that's not allowed.
Now Ruby's lost her bed as well!
Indeed she has. Did find it ironic though that she was asking for medical support knowing she purposely caused medical harm to her kids and also previously published a video of her stalling for over an hour before taking Sheri to the hospital. The kids deserve and deserved so much better.
Have you seen the videos where she pretty much forced the two youngest to sleep on bathroom floor because of wetting the bed or being unwell. How ill do you think your going to get sleeping on a cold possible damp floor.
not a loving mother at all!!!
I saw clips of when they did for being unwell, but not for wetting the bed. Just even talking about the subject and all their friends seeing those videos online must be horrid for them too
There’s Eve’s teacher when Ruby let her go hungry. Why didn’t that teacher speak up?
there were several times as a teacher I gave my lunch to a student. I would not have cared if the parent objected. The child comes first
That was the first clip I reacted to and I guess they may not want to put themselves in the public light like that. I'm hoping they did what they could and what was within their control, but you wouldn't want to make yourself vulnerable to people potentially blaming or shaming etc.
The schools around where I live are not allowed to let the kids go without a lunch. Whether they give them a school tray or whatever, EVERY child eats a lunch!
Because it's so important!
Teachers are mandated reporters !! Why didn’t she speak up ? This little child is just a baby and is still dependent . SMH Mom refuses to feed her child or refuses to let anyone to do that ? Despicable! Intolerable !
17:48 YES!! I thought then same thing. They are so emotionally beat down and broken, they know they just have to go along with it and don’t have much of a reaction. So sad.
Told friends he didn't want to hang anymore? Was that so his parents have less to take away?
That's such a sad thought 😢
15 is years ago when my friends 7 year old was getting a huge attitude with his parents they took everything out of his bedroom except for his bed and then gave him a set of clothes each day for him to wear within a few weeks he was back to the fun-loving sweet boy that they had before he was immersed in video games.
There is no need to be as manipulative controlling and abusive as
I am wondering about the ethics of the press (it was the Daily Mail so the ethics may not be great) reporting court details of claims of children SAing other children, whether they turn out to be true or not, and even if they did not name the children. These kids will now go to school (if not home schooled) with this speculation. I would struggle as an adult. It reminds me of SA survivors saying the process of reporting is like another ordeal (I don't mean to conflate survivors and perpetrators).
I would love for both the Daily Mail and the allegations to be made up. If she did really say that and it's false, that's a whole new level of trauma and abuse she's then inflicted on them for no reason other than to protect herself.
@@PetitePrimarythe Daily Mail wouldn’t know a moral compass if it splashed on the front page of all other newspapers and a plane was dropping actual compasses on their heads. But from what I have heard from Jodie’s niece and other victims, they probably absolutely believe that this poor boy is a sexual predator. Remember that their definition of pornography is “whatever turns you on” and Jodie’s main business was in sexual addiction recovery, where if you masturbated once a month you were a sexual addict. So I believe she said it and believed it, and also I believe the Daily Hail should not have written it up.
@@annafdd I've heard several people connected to them and former 'clients' say ruby and jodi accused them of the same exact things. It shows an MO on the women's parts because they use it to try to discredit people. One guy lost his marriage and his place at BYU over such allegations. Now she's trying to discredit Russell
It was NOT just reported in the Daily mail… Ruby said exactly that about HER son being a S predator in an emergency custody hearing, she said her 12 year old SON!! has been “addicted” to CORN with a capital P since he was 3 YEARS OLD😮 and he hurt his younger siblings (which there is only one) and cousins and many neighborhood children 😢 THIS is reported everywhere!! Not just DM😢
she is saying that about SAing that RF did because he was the one that escaped the hell hole@@PetitePrimary
if the teachers had photographic evidence that the kids were being abused they are mandatory reporters so if they had the evidence and didn't report it to CPS they could be charged as co-conspirators in the case for being derelict in their duty to report their suspicion of child abuse.
Even if they strongly suspect abuse they are mandatory reporters in Utah.
Very true!
I’m not sure if it’s normal in America but the amount of times the kids changed schools seemed odd, public school, private or homeschooled, there didn’t seem to be any consistency in their education
Interesting idea! I definitely think that home schooling at the point they did was suspicious.
@@PetitePrimaryI agree. It is very suspicious.
It is not normal. If a person moved or the child needs specific education due to learning styles.
It's interesting how I know about 4 of the 6 kids. The oldest 2 and youngest 2. What about the middle 2? You never hear about them.
I have to agree tbh! Hopefully that means that they're somewhere more secure and are well cared for right now?
Not to mention demeaning them incessantly and making them feel bad .
I grew up in Utah. I’m not Morman, but I do know that they encourage socializing, so not having friends is not because of the religion though it may be her distorted view of it.
Children don't SA... they imitate- or- the explore which is perfectly natural... no one wants to acknowledge this fact... children are naturally curious and the mormons shame children for such natural curiosities.... and children don't find corn on their own at 3... she needs to be charged with slander as well as the felony abuse... who says such horrible lies about their own child? RUBY FRANKE DOES.....
No one seems to comment on the fact that Chad plays this fairly cruel prank on his little brother, and where he may have learned that being cruel gives him power? His parents taught him that. The children have no power at all in that house. No privacy , no friends, no way to communicate with friends even if they had them. And while i do feel that pulling a cruel prank on his brother should deserve some sort of consequence, taking his private space, his autonomy, and his ability to just be himself, is never ok, and not remotely related to the offense.
The other fact that Ruby brings up about the BB gun, is also concerning on several levels, but its the same exact response to having no control or power, IMO. Chad is maybe 17 at this point. He has no friends, no control, and maybe in his mind, having control over his little brother is not that surprising.
His parents taught him to prey on the weak. Thats what he is doing
I'm always interested in hearing other people's perspectives. It definitely has plausibility. I 100% agree with you though that he was a teen with no autonomy or power which may have explained some of his actions or bad grades etc. I hope that he can start to heal from all those experiences and get support now that he's left the house.
There was also some reporting that he was having back issues because he wasn't sleeping on a bed fo so long. At his age, solid sleep is critical to his growth both physically and mentally. The clip of him saying he got kicked out of school and was doing poorly is very telling. He almost seems manic. As if he doesn't care, OR that he feels rebellious and somewhat powerful at how pissed off he has made his parents. To kids, all attention is good attention. If he only gets attention when he is "bad", then that's what he will do.
@@jodyprall9288 Absolutely. I think I even said such a thing about sleep affecting him developmentally. That and having to sleep rough in that camp in the wilderness...
You're not waffly, it was all very relevant and astute observations. I saw the same snippets of videos, not having ever watched their family channel, since this all blew up on the news, & even I could see that several of the kids looked VERY sleep-deprived. All of them looked slim/ too skinny, but the two youngest, especially, looked malnourished to me...
You're right, that the punishments all seemed very vague /random and seem more to do with Ruby's need to have complete authority/control over their entire lives, than having any real 'value' /lesson they were teaching their kids.
I know now a lot of other channels have criticised those closest to them, but I think that it is easy to judge someone else's involvement/not in any given case. What IS clear to me, as a mother myself, is that the abuse was obvious even just from the videos, & given the issue was apparently & allegedly brought to the attention, repeatedly, to social services & local police from neighbours, viewers & at least one sister, the neice of Jody (re. her OWN related abuse...) and the fact that Shery(?) now claims to ALSO have alerted authorities to issues within the family unit shows the EXTENT of the attempts to draw this all to the attention of outside forces, apparently to no avail...
It breaks my heart what all these children went through, & you're right, their increasing abuse, the increasing severity of punishments meted out to the children and them being fairly isolated, to then be taken out of school...ALL of this, & those incidences with the school lunches, painted a much broader picture that was rather worrying at best, alarming at worst. We all now know the truth, for them, was in fact far worse than any reasonable person could have imagined...
I have tried hard not to blame the father for being away for more than a year, but given he is their father, given BEFORE THAT he was too often on camera CONDONING much of the more dubious/harsh punishments, like the camp they sent the poor eldest son to... I know he (Kevin) has put out statements - much like the sisters', claiming utter ignorance, yet even much of the public knew that you could see the damage being done from some of the harsher rules that were implemented. It is clear to me that some of these individuals know more than is being admitted to, and that Kevin, as their father, REGARDLESS of what his controlling wife was TELLING HIM what he needed to do to 'save their marraige', as their father should not have ACCEPTED such terms, but been suspicious & should at some point have checked up on his children's welfare. My children are both adults now, but EVEN if they were a little estranged I would, out of love, TRY to keep up attempts at SOME contact with them, because no one can replace a parent & it is his (Kevin's) absence that allowed a lot of what happened to take place WITHOUT proper scrutiny or questions being put /asked by others concerned about her methods.
I think the school's position is a difficult one. As is the neighbours' if they had indeed tried to reach out to police/social services - there is little you can do without outright proof of wrong-doing,
It struck me just from watching the limited videos I have, that
the problem was more widespread then just an isolated problem in Ruby's immediate family.
The girls in the background were laughing at Chad's prank but didn't say anything to them but when Chad laughed she threated to take the room away again.she def was not consistent with discipline.she laughed at eve (the youngest) while fisplining herShe (ruby).went ballastic when the girls were doing a tik too dance at school to a certain controversial song
Really think ruby is so messed up from her own upbringing she doesn't know whats good and bad. I remember evy taking fits when she was about 5 and i had a gut feeling something was wrong.
its almost as if she didnt want sons! and she is just so strict with the boys and Shari was the girl that could do nothing wrong. But now Shari seems to have come out of the hell hole and gone to uni away from the situation and survived. She is wanting to protect her siblings but she is not really in the situation to become a parent to the younger ones. Kevin definitely needs to be talked to by the police as well he was there when they sent Chad into the wilderness for such a silly thing. Kevin is as bad as Ruby and Jodi
@@DaniellaR-xp4cp do u follow her parents and sisters. Her parents are the kindest people. It’s possible it’s her personality not genetic. When they were young she was strict but not that strict. She seems to have gotten worse w/ Jodie. I think she’s evil and she has done this many times. Many have come out to say how evil. Now do I think ruby is innocent-absolutely not. She is just as guilty
@@janis17656haris I agree,she's much harder on the boys
I agree. Her parents are awesome as are her brother,sisters and sisters in law. Not abusive at all and very open. I have watched all of them since the beginning or almost anyway
I see news commentators with videos on TH-cam that actually say aloud the words "child abuse". Why have people suddenly started using the initials CA for child abuse etc.?
TH-cam will demonetise and even hide your video if you talk about that.
@@annafddYou're right and when it's demonetised TH-cam won't push the video out as much because they're not making money. I want these to be educational though so I want it seen!
She’s constantly looking at herself in the camera screen.
Ikr! Have to make sure she's in shot.
They also had a nanny for years hopefully she will come forward
No way? That's big news to me. When did they leave, do you know?
I had no idea.
I don't know why "Going to bed without dinner" as a punishment is so normalized. About as much as spanking.
Also, I wonder why she wouldn't allow Chad the couch? I actually wonder what the impact on his growth/bones/skeletal structure is now since sleeping on a bean bag/floor for 7 months and then on top of it going to that retched camp for 10 weeks sleeping in a tent without a mattress.
Because a couch is too nice. Also it’s not so much as “normalized” it’s just how abusive parents make it a “normal” punishment. Even prisoners get a bed, blanket, room and food 3xs a day. She’s just an evil person
Love the puzzle analogy. ❤ I will use that for work!
Aw thank you, that's amazing! What do you do for work? Xx
Ruby laughed too!!!
Yeah that annoyed me a lot and then did a full U turn
There is shari that is 20 years old and she didn’t get the food discipline, the room taken away, she didn’t go to minor bootcamps, or got tied up by a rope and shari didn’t do anything when her siblings are getting yelled at and phone taken away,
While she was still living there though I imagine it was hard. It's also not up to her, as she would've been younger at the time (she's now moved out) to argue against her parent's parenting style. Since she left to college and has seen a new outlook on life, she seems to be speaking out a lot, following with the case and I've seen some resources that say she's been looking after her siblings, but unsure if true.
It’s Ruby franke and Kevin franke. Their child is named Chad
Correct
You are making light of this. You sound very much like you partially agree with her😢.
In what way and where do I sound like I'm agreeing with her???
If he doesn't have friends, it's not because they are mormon because everyone else in the city is mormon also.
Could still be applicable if they're extreme Mormons (I'm assuming Ruby isn't representative of them), but if you're right, that definitely adds interest to the quote.
You didn't answer the question, did the school spot signs? I don't like pranks, a lot go too far online, getting people to laugh at another's expense for "entertainment" purposes breaks trust for one. You see signs all over youtube, while people have got their happy faces on behind that excessive happiness and extreme positive, its hiding the reality of the opposite, which is heartbreaking. I also don't like people laughing at others and doing reaction videos....or bringing light to children and toddlers being groomed, and putting it online for the audience's attention, to laugh at and make fun of, when its not funny, its just awful. This member of the audience does not like to sit in any of that audience at all.
There's no way I can be definitive with the answer as nobody from the school has spoken out, however, I can only react from this as a teacher and what I would suspect you might have seen from the kids at school: tiredness, looking isolated. I go into a lot of detail about this in the Eve video too. It was not at all click bait, more a rhetorical question to open up discussion and a focus for the video.
Great video thank you
Thank you for watching and commenting x
The clip with Chad and Russell play wrestling is especially bad because Chad says they’re playing, she says she knows they are, but threatens them anyway. They were having fun. Shame on them for making noise laughing.
She has to control everything. Sick
But look how Connexions is spelled! Kinda makes since with everything that is happening!
Hey! Could you elaborate on what you mean? Would love to understand your perspective further X
@@PetitePrimary there are videos of victims saying how Jodi split up families! How she got into Rubys head about Kevin ConnEXions
@@PetitePrimary "EX" as in exhusband. She is known to have split up couples and encouraged the man to leave his home, supposedly temporarity until they could work out their issues. Then, she would get very close to the guy's wife. idk. It's all so weird.
@@rachelh5467 Ah I see what you mean now! Do you think Kevin is an innocent party then? 🤔 It does shock me how if that's the case, Jodi manipulated Ruby so much that she went to this extent of abuse and saw nothing wrong about it
@@lisachavez3911Thanks for clarifying... yeah that is strange. It's very predatory when put like that. I saw Jodi's niece's video too and she said all the stuff Ruby was talking about was Jodi's ideology and the cell mate of Ruby said she was very obsessed with Jodi. A cult expert needs to give their say I think!
are me & my siblings the only 1s that use to get hit for "just in case"??
Nope.
Its odd probably a cover up because in a later video ruby posted s video about chad hanging out with his friends it was literally the full video
That's so confusing then? Why would she want him to appear like he has no friends? Unless he felt like he had to cut them off to appease her. Either way, it's a sad situation being on and off friends. Unless the friends video was more of a cover up?
@@PetitePrimary I know at the time of the video when Chad was with his friends I was so happy for him. If I recall he even said him and one of them need each other for years. I was wondering in the video that he said he has no friends if he was having an off day. I hope Chad is ok . 🙂
@@schewitt1977 I hope he is too. Apparently he was on the call seeing his mum and Jodi in court, so I hope that this is the start of closure and healing for him x
@@schewitt1977 Maybe he had a off day but I was thinking that maybe it was also hard to have a good relationship with your friends when your mom has a camera in your face all the time, I don't know... Parents might not want their kids' faces on the internet, or the kids can be uncomfortable having no privacy with him... It's a difficult situation. I saw a clip of Chad's father reading out loud the texts Chad and a girl were exchanging. It must be pretty hard to be friends with someone when you know that if Chad makes one single mistake, everybody will know your secrets and it will be plastered on TH-cam :(
Yeah that text scene is so uncomfortable to watch, it's one of the most commonly reacted to on TH-cam now
I guarantee that not all (Mormons) as you know them don't treat their children this way. This is not a (Mormon) thing. I have deep empathy for these children. They have all clearly been abused by their parents.
Definitely not a “Mormon” thing.
Yeah I never assumed this, glad to hear it!
Phew!
Don't get me wrong Ruby is guilty she will go to prison for her CURRENT crimes. By the point of this video They had been seeing Jodi as there therapist for year maybe two. You don't seek out therapy because life is blissful. They were struggling with something and went looking for help. THEY GOT JODI. I beg you to go look up Victims of Jodi Hildebrandt The lunch clip was also as Jodi. Yes before Jodi Ruby threatened to do things. We don't know if she actually did them or not. After Jodi she did follow through the punishments became more mean and clearly criminal. According the neighbors that was after Kevin was kicked out. After Ruby stopped talking to her family and friends and the only people in Ruby's circle were women that Jodi approved of.
I never followed their channel when it was up, what year did she start getting involved with Jodi then?
I thought they were home schooling
I don’t understand why he’s being punished for a silly prank in the first place. It was harmless. And funny! Although, Disneyland probably wasn’t the best bait. But that doesn’t warrant 7 months of being dehumanized.
I don't agree with your characterization of Mormon parents. Some may be strict, but most try to be good in a balanced way. Ruby was perpetuating The Cult of Jodi.Hildebrandt.
I feel like when I see students talking about a consequence the way he did, it can be a sign the consequence didn't exactly work the way the adult intended and/or they don't feel they did anything wrong. I don't feel like I can entirely blame him. I do think taking a bedroom away from a kid for that long for a prank where no one got physically hurt is over the top. I've seen/heard of worse behavior with less severe consequences. (I am aware, though, that the trademark of abuse is consequences outweighing negative behavior.)
Dogs get better treatment.
You can say the word abuse don't sugar coat it
TH-cam has guidelines for content creators, they flag such words, so best not to
It means she’s a psychopath that should have never had children or stopped at one! If the Mormon church doesn’t believe in birth control then they should do a complete physiological test on both the parents before they are allowed to ruin lives!
Narcissistic grin! I live with a narcissistic!
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Not defending Ruby. However CHAD didn’t lose his bed JUST for being cruel to his little brother. He also put a BB gun to his head and suspended his little brother in a basketball net. Why do they keep cutting off the rest of the story?
I have no idea, it wasn't mentioned in the clip.
Regarding the mean prank the older boy played on the younger brother, it’s hardly shocking for a person brought up in this kind of narcissistic, performative, attention-seeking environment to do such a thing. Regarding the kindergartner’s lunch issue, I can see refusing to take a lunch to school for a 12-year-old who kept forgetting after being repeatedly reminded, but kindergarten student is not going to have that level of responsibility.
Also they made chad quit football which they gleefully said was the “last” thing he had because of some minor ridiculous made up charge against him
Narcissistic mother 😢
And her evil laugh
You cut the video so you didn’t have to address the fact that Chad also admits to pointing a gun at his brother and that was the real reason he had his bedroom taken away. I certainly don’t condone what Ruby did but you should at least be honest about it.
guns of any sort should not be used so glad I live in England!!
It was a BB GUN, not a gun…so don’t mistake facts here. They are 2 completely different things! And the BB gun incident was cut from that clip long before this creator got this clip. It’s been left out of that clip when any creator uses it.
I didn't cut the clip, as I had to download this elsewhere (original video deleted from TH-cam), this is what I saw. If you can link me to the full clip somewhere, I'd appreciate it if I've missed details.
For crying out loud Ruby let kids be kids!!! They probably call you warden behind your back!!!!
I definitely think it was a typical brother prank! 😅
“Hello and welcome to another video where I become angry @Ruby Franke”😂😂 sorry I laughed way too hard😮
Having been watching “true crime” videos for a long time now, specifically having to do with children /parents/adults hurting children, I have seen teachers and other adults repeatedly report abuse…and no one listens until the children are either severely hurt or just gone😢 so reporting is great, getting someone to do something about it is a whole other “story😢😢😢😢😢
They were homeschooled once she hooked up with Jodi ur facts are all over the place and incorrect
I know they ended up being homeschooled, but as I said, I'm unaware of the exact time this clip was made but my understanding was at this point they were still at school
You talk to much.
I talk 6.5 hours a day for a living. Force of habit I guess? But I also have a lot to say on the subject, so I hope you didn't suffer too much!