Tried something a little different to the usually scheduled programming here, let me know if you guys are interested in more deep dives into system level stuff.
100% would love more stuff like this, things like when and how drive gauge is removed on hit/block or built during combos (microwalks and using od moves instead of dr to build drive mid combo) would be cool as i can't figure out good ways to explain that to my friend who's new to the fgc
these types of deep system breakdowns are so rare and difficult to find online, would really appreciate it if you shared more. how did you even learn about drive rush adding +3 to the juggle limit of normals?
I remember finding out how juggles worked in sf4 and deciding "thats too opaque for me, I'll let the nerds figure out combos for me," and now we have sf6 and this mechanic is still super opaque
Not in SF6 it doesn't! Want to combo after air juggle Ryu Hadoken? YOU CAN! Want to combo out of Ken's freaking RUN TATSU?! SSSUREyoucan! Want to DP after literally ANY main air juggle combo tool for ANY CHARACTER? Jinrai Kicks, Rolling Sobat, Hashogeki, Kimberly Run, lightning kicks, Crack shoot, Akumas... Punch thingy, AND ETC. BECAUSE, THATS ONLY JUST ABOUT HALF OF THEM? guess what? _YOU._ *_CAN._*
I play Tekken and this was something I gave up on when I tried Streetfighter 6 initially because it was like the most important part of the transitional learning experience was just kept a secret solely that you were forced to copy other people's combos instead of knowing the raw limits
Maybe it's something that's more intuitive for someone who mainly played 2D fighting games, but how is it any different from just trying stuff out and seeing what works and what doesn't? I knew this mechanic from earlier SFs, but I play something like UNI2 and I just try things out and check if something combos or drops.
@@RandomDude647 I mean, sure. I'd love that. It's not what I'm asking though. Having mechanics that aren't explicitly explained isn't something that unusual in games of all types. What I don't understand is what's counterintuitive to the point of bouncing off the game entirely? What is so weird that trial and error in training mode doesn't fix as a newcomer?
@@Raxyz_0 With this specific mechanic, it's not intuitive to test in training mode because if you whiff a pickup in a juggle and it looked close, you can't be 100% sure whether you missed it because you mistimed it, or missed it because the juggle system said "no," which can lead to retrying a combo over and over, unsure if it's impossible or if you're just bad. This is coming from a 2D player, even I found SF juggles a little unintuitive coming from blazblue and xrd.
@@Sporkyz74 Well... True enough. I do remember trying stuff out in SFIV training mode and not being 100% sure if a combo not working was skill issue or a game restriction. I don't think it was so weird that I'd bounce off though, I distinctly remember a few combos I tried in anime games (can't remember if it was BBCS or GGXrd) and thought it wasn't possible until I saw someone doing something similar in a tournament. I think mirroring what you see in high-level was kind of an universal experience.
This video just reminded me, I had not filled out the juggle data for all the characters on FAT! Specifically the "older" characters. I will have to finish including the rest of that data with Terry's release. There are more intricacies to the juggle system in SF6 btw, although this covers the basics. But there's some more nuances and tidbits to some moves regarding things like Crumples, and how they affect the juggle data. Which also makes other moves that have "0" juggle increase, despite themselves being air resets normally, like Jamie 2HP, actually have some significance in combo routing because of oddities like this. Not sure I explained this well via text, I'd have to record an example.
If it isn't too hard to record it, I'd like to see some examples of that in action. It's easier to visualize how it changes things, lol. I think I understand the gist of it though, it's the same thing that makes Bison's OD scissors work after punish sHK and dash cHP isn't it?
How do you figure out all these values without going insane? Or do you just datamine the game? But then it has denuvo so can you even datamine with denuvo. 🤔
I came from playing uni where the main limitation is hitstun decay, and was trying to understand this when sf6 came out and my friends were trying to get me into it. They could not answer my questions of why this combos when this doesnt or why does this route only work in this specific case and pretty much only told me cause thats how it is. I did look online for explanation (but this probably within a month of the game coming out) and couldn’t find any explanation at all. So thank you for explaining a system that has nagging at me for a long time.
Fantastic video as someone who mostly plays guilty gear and smash outside of this. Always thought the juggle system in this game is stupid and mysterious and while I still think that, this video helps a lot! Would love to see more mechanical deep-dives like this
I'm glad to see more info on this. *Most* of SF6's mechanics are surprisingly intuitive and directly shown in-game, but if you try to do any juggle combos it becomes immediately obvious that a lot of stuff just doesn't work at all like you'd expect, and you'll probably never know exactly why unless you really go digging online for it. Would love to see some kind of indicator for this stuff in training mode to help de-mystify it for more people.
This is actually helpful to know. I spent way too long lobbing out combos based on my knowledge of what worked from a drive rush not knowing that that changed so much. It increasing juggle limit makes so much sense.
Wow you really answered that question I’ve had in the back or my head but kept forgetting to research. Which was: Why the hell do some moves work out of a drive rush for continuing a combo (juggle)? This is one of those things you just end up figuring out by experimenting in the lab, but actually knowing WHY it works within the games logic gives me so much satisfaction! Thanks so much for this great presentation!❤
Most FG juggles: just hit them, idk Modern Tekken juggles: hit them, use a move to send them back to the ground and finish the rest of the combo SF juggles: hey, kid, wanna do some arithmetics?
Yeah Tekken juggle scaling is at least more intuitive because characters very clearly start getting launched at different strengths/angles as your combo goes on longer. So solving the puzzle of what you can fit into a combo is fairly straightforward as a result. In SF6, I'm pretty sure there is something like that still happening, but the main obstacle is that stuff just stops working at all for no obvious reason, so you're left guessing as to why, say, Kimberly's OD Tatsu will connect at one point in a combo but regular Tatsu (in spite of having the same startup/hitbox) won't.
It shows they put time and effort into designing the combo system so that is fun and balanced. Tekkens foundation was always air combos, so the balance is developed around how far you hit your opponent with successive hits, and different aerial states e.g.tornado, corkscrew and how they interact with the wall and environmental hazards
@@Leap623 This was what always confused me. I didn't really know what juggling was but I was doing it in combos anyway. The part that confused me so much was this specific attack would juggle but if I used that same attack again in that same situation it just didn't work. Was always very confusing
I have to agree, like juggle state data should be just available in-game (actually is there even at least a mod for that?) because otherwise as already seen during OD Scissors into OD Scissors causes "it clearly should have hit, did I done something wrong?" confusion. Like I guess if you play for longer time you can manage to get the feel for that stuff by trial and error but nonetheless sheer secrecy around data of that feels so weird. By game designer idea I would shoot that's meant to be "thing to discover" with juggles, but I don't feel like that works out as intended in current modern era of information distribution.
I learned this stuff for SFV and prayed that they would remove it for SF6. It's such a stupidly complicated system that could be handled more gracefully or, at the very least, surfaced in training mode. The rule of thumb I've been using is just "Drive Rush button always works, otherwise only use each move once", and I'm sure there are places where that doesn't work, but it's far easier to wrap my head around when I'm making decisions in the heat of the moment.
@@GodofGrunts I'd say it's a sign of a good, intuitive combo system when you can. The less I have to memorize, and the more easily I can apply the rules to the situation, the better.
Broski, thank you very much for doing this video. I've long wondered about the juggle data on the FAT site, but never got around to trying to research it. And since I enjoy learning how things work in fighting games, this was a perfect video for me!
The first 30 seconds of this video are cathartic. Feels like just some months ago people were saying that SF does not have an exceptionally odd juggling system. It absolutely does!!!
This is one of those systems that you get used to with experimentation. Simply trying your normals/specials in various juggle situations will get you a pretty clear picture of what moves are better in juggles. Save-states work wonders for labbing this stuff out, since you don't have to worry about doing the entire combo leading up to the juggle every time, or setting up the jump-in to experiment with anti-air juggles. Ironically I think explaining it makes it *more* intimidating for newer players.
As another primarily Tekken player that went into SF6's combos with so much trouble, this is such a good video. Understanding the actual mechanics about it makes it so much easier for my brain to comprehend since I don't have the legacy experience. Broski cooked
Incredibly interesting video, congratulations! I have looked at the juggle numbers trying (and failing) to understand them several times. Thanks a lot for the Intel. I love deep dive videos, keep up the good work!
Thank you for making this video, this is something i was really curious about cuz in training mode i would try combos and my moves would just pass through the opponent without hitting and i couldnt understand why
5:18 This is so useful because I always understood that drive rush normals juggled better, but I had no idea why it worked for some buttons but not others.
Broski, sir, I always wondered the juggle system of this game, even whining on your stream sometimes for you to explain it. So... thanks for that! That was very clear and, even if I won't begin to count the juggle state after each move in matches, it's still super useful to understand afterward why stuff does (or doesn't) combo
Eh, I never really understood the rules behind juggles in SF, but I'd just lab combos and remember which ones worked and which didn't. Never really been a problem, but I still appreciate this video.
I'm a beginner Cammy player, and I was trying out a combo I saw Xiaohai do in the recent tournament against Kusanagi, and this actually completely helped me understand why the combo works the way it does, very informative! (The combo in question being drive rush back hk > another back hk > jump mp > lvl 2, and then idr how he ended it. It looked cool tho so I wanted to try it lol)
This is actually a really interesting video. Juggle state in Street Fighter is actually something I've never really though about. I just know which combos work and which don't lol.
This video is so great and well put together. I have played fighting games for 30+ years and I understand all the concepts but never bothered to learn the logic behind juggles. Good sh*t Broski.
Honestly for the worse, sf (and kof too) having unknown properties to attacks that the common person would not know and be unable to learn about IN-GAME really hurts lmfao. Hopefully one day, despite all recent games having amazing training modes, will add these hidden properties to help new people and even pros lmfao
I feel like there's no excuse for the game not to provide juggle point information in Training Mode somewhere. Capcom's been doing a good job adding QoL features to the game to help people improve, and I feel like this is definitely something they should consider adding in the future.
My first street fighter game was 4. The way i learned this initially was: Normals never juggle. Supers and ultras almost always juggle. Specials juggle sometimes (EX specials more often). The more you juggle the less you get to juggle in the same combo. It's the kinda thing that you can learn just through trial and error, but at first it was very confusing since i came from a game where everything juggles all of the time. Makes sense why the tekken players would be confused.
The big, simple thing that helped me week 1 on launch was rooflemonger's video (I think) where he just stated that most normals don't juggle, unless they do (JP has like 10 normals like that). And that DR makes most all normals juggle in most circumstances. Before that I was in training mode doing Ryu's OD donkey kick and trying to jab afterwords, thinking my timing was off or something. Last fg I played was Injustice 1 on the Wii U lol so I thought just landing an attack to an airborne opponent was obvious. It's good to know these values are there, the game should probably reference them somewhere even if they won't matter to most people who can just try out a combo. You'll have to experiment anyways since different routes may do more/less damage than you'd expect.
As a tekken dude, I've never understood the juggle system in any SF. It always felt random to me when it came to street fighter. I just assumed that certain characters were privileged to do so and others just can't because "unknown reasons."
this feels like the first time i ever heard about frame data many years ago, i've seen juggle data being mentioned every now and then but never looked into it hope the game shows juggle properties in training mode at some point
wow, that is such a good video, thanks. shame that Capcom is not listing all of this, beside DR normal juggling everywhere and most supers also juggling anywhere, the rest is not so evident to know.
i started with sfv but coming back after playing guilty gear strive, kof xv and a dozen or so anime games, street fighter's combo system baffled me. thanks for the explanation!
Just remember folks you don't need to understand all the behind the scenes mechanics to play at a high level. It's perfectly fine to just copy a "optimal combo" you found on twitter/youtube.
Pretty well explained, thanks a lot. Dunno how much it will matter for me, but the mechanic is a bit less mysterious for me now. I kinda get why if you do Chun launcher into level 2, she can only hit the second hit of the target combo in the air...before I just thought "welp, that is how that is" but now I know
This may sound stupid and slightly contradicting but learning juggles in street fighter(at least for me who mainly started learning fighting games with dbfz and sf5) feels very easy to understand after a certain point but isnt intuitive to learn at the start. At least from my experience.
I'm not good enough for this to be helpful, but this was super interesting. I've always thought SF6's juggle mechanics were dumbed down since it doesn't factor in character weight/size as other SF games have, and while that still bugs me, there's clearly plenty under the hood.
Tried something a little different to the usually scheduled programming here, let me know if you guys are interested in more deep dives into system level stuff.
100% would love more stuff like this, things like when and how drive gauge is removed on hit/block or built during combos (microwalks and using od moves instead of dr to build drive mid combo) would be cool as i can't figure out good ways to explain that to my friend who's new to the fgc
Love the deep dives.
This is one complicated topic, musta been tough for the designers to ensure the system didn’t break
these types of deep system breakdowns are so rare and difficult to find online, would really appreciate it if you shared more. how did you even learn about drive rush adding +3 to the juggle limit of normals?
I would LOVE to see more deep dives!
This is cool, if you could stream one of these for interaction with your lovely chat, that's be cool too
I remember finding out how juggles worked in sf4 and deciding "thats too opaque for me, I'll let the nerds figure out combos for me," and now we have sf6 and this mechanic is still super opaque
Ikr 😂
SF juggles follow an easy logic. Think to yourself "Would comboing into this be fun?" and if your answer is yes, it won't juggle.
only exceptions are oro, gill, and urien
Not in SF6 it doesn't! Want to combo after air juggle Ryu Hadoken? YOU CAN! Want to combo out of Ken's freaking RUN TATSU?! SSSUREyoucan! Want to DP after literally ANY main air juggle combo tool for ANY CHARACTER? Jinrai Kicks, Rolling Sobat, Hashogeki, Kimberly Run, lightning kicks, Crack shoot, Akumas... Punch thingy, AND ETC. BECAUSE, THATS ONLY JUST ABOUT HALF OF THEM? guess what? _YOU._ *_CAN._*
we got a Broski offline video before Ronaldo in fatal fury
CR7 in Fatal Fury is insane.
"Why Aki is a bad matchup for Ronaldo, and how capcom can fix it"
@@duxnihiloI hate that guy lol
@@SimoneBellomonte The very credible r*pe accusations (plural) made me hate him also.
I play Tekken and this was something I gave up on when I tried Streetfighter 6 initially because it was like the most important part of the transitional learning experience was just kept a secret solely that you were forced to copy other people's combos instead of knowing the raw limits
Maybe it's something that's more intuitive for someone who mainly played 2D fighting games, but how is it any different from just trying stuff out and seeing what works and what doesn't? I knew this mechanic from earlier SFs, but I play something like UNI2 and I just try things out and check if something combos or drops.
@@Raxyz_0the game itself should have a tutorial explaining all this
@@RandomDude647 I mean, sure. I'd love that. It's not what I'm asking though. Having mechanics that aren't explicitly explained isn't something that unusual in games of all types. What I don't understand is what's counterintuitive to the point of bouncing off the game entirely? What is so weird that trial and error in training mode doesn't fix as a newcomer?
@@Raxyz_0 With this specific mechanic, it's not intuitive to test in training mode because if you whiff a pickup in a juggle and it looked close, you can't be 100% sure whether you missed it because you mistimed it, or missed it because the juggle system said "no," which can lead to retrying a combo over and over, unsure if it's impossible or if you're just bad. This is coming from a 2D player, even I found SF juggles a little unintuitive coming from blazblue and xrd.
@@Sporkyz74 Well... True enough. I do remember trying stuff out in SFIV training mode and not being 100% sure if a combo not working was skill issue or a game restriction. I don't think it was so weird that I'd bounce off though, I distinctly remember a few combos I tried in anime games (can't remember if it was BBCS or GGXrd) and thought it wasn't possible until I saw someone doing something similar in a tournament. I think mirroring what you see in high-level was kind of an universal experience.
I heard the word "juggle" so much now that it stopped sounding like a real word
This video just reminded me, I had not filled out the juggle data for all the characters on FAT! Specifically the "older" characters. I will have to finish including the rest of that data with Terry's release. There are more intricacies to the juggle system in SF6 btw, although this covers the basics. But there's some more nuances and tidbits to some moves regarding things like Crumples, and how they affect the juggle data. Which also makes other moves that have "0" juggle increase, despite themselves being air resets normally, like Jamie 2HP, actually have some significance in combo routing because of oddities like this. Not sure I explained this well via text, I'd have to record an example.
If it isn't too hard to record it, I'd like to see some examples of that in action. It's easier to visualize how it changes things, lol.
I think I understand the gist of it though, it's the same thing that makes Bison's OD scissors work after punish sHK and dash cHP isn't it?
How do you figure out all these values without going insane? Or do you just datamine the game?
But then it has denuvo so can you even datamine with denuvo. 🤔
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I came from playing uni where the main limitation is hitstun decay, and was trying to understand this when sf6 came out and my friends were trying to get me into it. They could not answer my questions of why this combos when this doesnt or why does this route only work in this specific case and pretty much only told me cause thats how it is. I did look online for explanation (but this probably within a month of the game coming out) and couldn’t find any explanation at all. So thank you for explaining a system that has nagging at me for a long time.
Fantastic video as someone who mostly plays guilty gear and smash outside of this. Always thought the juggle system in this game is stupid and mysterious and while I still think that, this video helps a lot! Would love to see more mechanical deep-dives like this
I'm glad to see more info on this. *Most* of SF6's mechanics are surprisingly intuitive and directly shown in-game, but if you try to do any juggle combos it becomes immediately obvious that a lot of stuff just doesn't work at all like you'd expect, and you'll probably never know exactly why unless you really go digging online for it. Would love to see some kind of indicator for this stuff in training mode to help de-mystify it for more people.
This is actually helpful to know. I spent way too long lobbing out combos based on my knowledge of what worked from a drive rush not knowing that that changed so much. It increasing juggle limit makes so much sense.
Wow you really answered that question I’ve had in the back or my head but kept forgetting to research. Which was: Why the hell do some moves work out of a drive rush for continuing a combo (juggle)? This is one of those things you just end up figuring out by experimenting in the lab, but actually knowing WHY it works within the games logic gives me so much satisfaction! Thanks so much for this great presentation!❤
Most FG juggles: just hit them, idk
Modern Tekken juggles: hit them, use a move to send them back to the ground and finish the rest of the combo
SF juggles: hey, kid, wanna do some arithmetics?
Yeah Tekken juggle scaling is at least more intuitive because characters very clearly start getting launched at different strengths/angles as your combo goes on longer. So solving the puzzle of what you can fit into a combo is fairly straightforward as a result. In SF6, I'm pretty sure there is something like that still happening, but the main obstacle is that stuff just stops working at all for no obvious reason, so you're left guessing as to why, say, Kimberly's OD Tatsu will connect at one point in a combo but regular Tatsu (in spite of having the same startup/hitbox) won't.
It shows they put time and effort into designing the combo system so that is fun and balanced. Tekkens foundation was always air combos, so the balance is developed around how far you hit your opponent with successive hits, and different aerial states e.g.tornado, corkscrew and how they interact with the wall and environmental hazards
@@Leap623 This was what always confused me. I didn't really know what juggling was but I was doing it in combos anyway. The part that confused me so much was this specific attack would juggle but if I used that same attack again in that same situation it just didn't work. Was always very confusing
I have to agree, like juggle state data should be just available in-game (actually is there even at least a mod for that?) because otherwise as already seen during OD Scissors into OD Scissors causes "it clearly should have hit, did I done something wrong?" confusion.
Like I guess if you play for longer time you can manage to get the feel for that stuff by trial and error but nonetheless sheer secrecy around data of that feels so weird. By game designer idea I would shoot that's meant to be "thing to discover" with juggles, but I don't feel like that works out as intended in current modern era of information distribution.
I learned this stuff for SFV and prayed that they would remove it for SF6. It's such a stupidly complicated system that could be handled more gracefully or, at the very least, surfaced in training mode. The rule of thumb I've been using is just "Drive Rush button always works, otherwise only use each move once", and I'm sure there are places where that doesn't work, but it's far easier to wrap my head around when I'm making decisions in the heat of the moment.
My guy out here trying to freestyle combos mid match
@@GodofGrunts I'd say it's a sign of a good, intuitive combo system when you can. The less I have to memorize, and the more easily I can apply the rules to the situation, the better.
Wow this was very informative. I’m surprised capcom doesn’t pay you. What you’re doing for ppl new to fighting games is impressive !
This is quite possibly the most useful video I've ever seen since starting to play any SF AT ALL.
Broski, thank you very much for doing this video. I've long wondered about the juggle data on the FAT site, but never got around to trying to research it. And since I enjoy learning how things work in fighting games, this was a perfect video for me!
The first 30 seconds of this video are cathartic. Feels like just some months ago people were saying that SF does not have an exceptionally odd juggling system. It absolutely does!!!
Been wanting to know this for a loooong time, thanks for breaking it down so well for us 🙏🏼
This is one of those systems that you get used to with experimentation. Simply trying your normals/specials in various juggle situations will get you a pretty clear picture of what moves are better in juggles. Save-states work wonders for labbing this stuff out, since you don't have to worry about doing the entire combo leading up to the juggle every time, or setting up the jump-in to experiment with anti-air juggles. Ironically I think explaining it makes it *more* intimidating for newer players.
Nah his explanation makes me actually wanna try and labbing more tbh, we just need the data on all the chars.
Terry juggles boutta be DEVIOUS!
I read this as "Terry jiggles" and was like Ayo?
And? 🗿@@luischeco3009
@luischeco3009 nah that's Mai's jiggles
As another primarily Tekken player that went into SF6's combos with so much trouble, this is such a good video. Understanding the actual mechanics about it makes it so much easier for my brain to comprehend since I don't have the legacy experience. Broski cooked
Incredibly interesting video, congratulations! I have looked at the juggle numbers trying (and failing) to understand them several times. Thanks a lot for the Intel. I love deep dive videos, keep up the good work!
I was just complaining about how obtuse this system is looking in earlier today, this video saved my life
Great content. Informative, straight to the point, and well explained with useful examples. Would love more stuff like this.
Thank you for making this video, this is something i was really curious about cuz in training mode i would try combos and my moves would just pass through the opponent without hitting and i couldnt understand why
5:18 This is so useful because I always understood that drive rush normals juggled better, but I had no idea why it worked for some buttons but not others.
Broski, sir, I always wondered the juggle system of this game, even whining on your stream sometimes for you to explain it. So... thanks for that! That was very clear and, even if I won't begin to count the juggle state after each move in matches, it's still super useful to understand afterward why stuff does (or doesn't) combo
Eh, I never really understood the rules behind juggles in SF, but I'd just lab combos and remember which ones worked and which didn't. Never really been a problem, but I still appreciate this video.
Yeah this was so helpful in de-mystifying another aspect of SF6 for me, great video!
Thanks for the video. I'm learning so much with your videos
I'm a beginner Cammy player, and I was trying out a combo I saw Xiaohai do in the recent tournament against Kusanagi, and this actually completely helped me understand why the combo works the way it does, very informative!
(The combo in question being drive rush back hk > another back hk > jump mp > lvl 2, and then idr how he ended it. It looked cool tho so I wanted to try it lol)
Thanks for this video. I had always just figured that the juggle system would remain an unintelligible mystery. This helped pull back the curtain.
This is actually a really interesting video. Juggle state in Street Fighter is actually something I've never really though about. I just know which combos work and which don't lol.
This was very interesting, thanks for getting into the weeds with how the juggle system works!
This video is so great and well put together. I have played fighting games for 30+ years and I understand all the concepts but never bothered to learn the logic behind juggles. Good sh*t Broski.
I've been asking this for awhile, appreciate the clear explanation!
Honestly for the worse, sf (and kof too) having unknown properties to attacks that the common person would not know and be unable to learn about IN-GAME really hurts lmfao. Hopefully one day, despite all recent games having amazing training modes, will add these hidden properties to help new people and even pros lmfao
SF6 is my first Street Fighter and stuff like this is amazing for me. Thank you
This was super interesting and super well explained. Good stuff, broski, thank you
Very informitive! Thanx Broski 🙂
I feel like there's no excuse for the game not to provide juggle point information in Training Mode somewhere. Capcom's been doing a good job adding QoL features to the game to help people improve, and I feel like this is definitely something they should consider adding in the future.
Appreciate you breaking this down
Glad to see a proper breakdown. Trying to figure it out in SF5 took some trial and (mostly) error.
This is actually a topic i know very little about. Thanks for the Guide
This is one of those obscure things that people know but no one talks about. Thanks
This fills in some spots my scrub brain could not understand and found no answer to.
I have never ever understood how juggles truly work. I just know which combos work after testing them.
As a Gief guy I launch, I bonk, I airgrab
My first street fighter game was 4. The way i learned this initially was: Normals never juggle. Supers and ultras almost always juggle. Specials juggle sometimes (EX specials more often). The more you juggle the less you get to juggle in the same combo. It's the kinda thing that you can learn just through trial and error, but at first it was very confusing since i came from a game where everything juggles all of the time. Makes sense why the tekken players would be confused.
so over 100hours into SF6 I finally learned why some combos work and some don't :D thanks!
This was very useful and way more simple than I estimated. It's a sad thing Capcom doesn't explain it a bit more but thanks for the homework Broski
Me who can't win a single neutral interaction: ah yes this will come in handy while Ed is throwlooping me in the corner
I think it's really cool to make something like this, I'll never use it but I recognize how awesome it is to have this exist
Amazing work, thanks!
The big, simple thing that helped me week 1 on launch was rooflemonger's video (I think) where he just stated that most normals don't juggle, unless they do (JP has like 10 normals like that). And that DR makes most all normals juggle in most circumstances. Before that I was in training mode doing Ryu's OD donkey kick and trying to jab afterwords, thinking my timing was off or something. Last fg I played was Injustice 1 on the Wii U lol so I thought just landing an attack to an airborne opponent was obvious. It's good to know these values are there, the game should probably reference them somewhere even if they won't matter to most people who can just try out a combo. You'll have to experiment anyways since different routes may do more/less damage than you'd expect.
This is incredibly helpful! Thank you so much!
That’s sick, this is great information for those who likes to lab a lot
Thank you anglo this was very helpful
As a tekken dude, I've never understood the juggle system in any SF. It always felt random to me when it came to street fighter. I just assumed that certain characters were privileged to do so and others just can't because "unknown reasons."
Damn this is so interesting !!! Thx I never expected something so "mathematically " logic
Excellently done. I almost understood it the whole way through 😄
this feels like the first time i ever heard about frame data many years ago, i've seen juggle data being mentioned every now and then but never looked into it
hope the game shows juggle properties in training mode at some point
it was extremely helpful! thank you!
thx for the explanation, ive been looking for this info bc i was trying to lab scenarios where i can reset juggles into air flips
Thanks broski, now i understand a little more 😂
I bet there are more things that the players never heard about it.
Love this content keep it up!
i love how juggle man Bison is the one used for demonstration!
love yo vids bro
wow, that is such a good video, thanks.
shame that Capcom is not listing all of this, beside DR normal juggling everywhere and most supers also juggling anywhere, the rest is not so evident to know.
Ty Prof. Broski
i started with sfv but coming back after playing guilty gear strive, kof xv and a dozen or so anime games, street fighter's combo system baffled me. thanks for the explanation!
SF juggle rules are indeed quite confusing compared to MK and Tekken😅
Damn this was really insightful
Very interestint! Now Oro's choice of DP to end combos with in SFV makes a lot of sense
Thanks for the guide!
Mathfighter 6 😵. Im cooked
Great Video idea broski,please do one on trade combos as well
Thx! Very interesting. I had no idea how this worked...
Me before: Why is this video 15 minutes long? Me after: Oh
Juggle is a weird word idk
Juggle deez. You're right tho
Pop level 2 and go...
Yer' Mine!
Yer' Mine!
Yer' Mine!
Juggle now no longer sounds like a word for me after this video
❤ hops on yt what am i watching. 1st vid. How to do something im clueless at in a game i love. Settled in secs lol. Great content. Learning
So, juggle good? *Brain Explodes*
Just remember folks you don't need to understand all the behind the scenes mechanics to play at a high level. It's perfectly fine to just copy a "optimal combo" you found on twitter/youtube.
Pretty well explained, thanks a lot. Dunno how much it will matter for me, but the mechanic is a bit less mysterious for me now. I kinda get why if you do Chun launcher into level 2, she can only hit the second hit of the target combo in the air...before I just thought "welp, that is how that is" but now I know
I feel like a caveman just seeing what connects and what not after seeing this lol
It's very interesting
Broski, the Shikamaru of SF
as someone coming from tekken this really helps a fuckton. for grounded combos it is purely frame based?
Yes but there's also special/super cancels to consider also drive rush depends on this cancel system
Ive never heard someone call bombset (or backfist combo) swipe.
It's actually faster to just trial and error than going trhough all these numbers...
Sick! I always wanted to understand that
I lasted about 2 minutes before the word "juggle" lost all meaning.
God help me for the rest of this video.
This may sound stupid and slightly contradicting but learning juggles in street fighter(at least for me who mainly started learning fighting games with dbfz and sf5) feels very easy to understand after a certain point but isnt intuitive to learn at the start. At least from my experience.
Any Super you can follow up on is probably worth looking at for players of those characters. Chun's or even Non-Cinematic Ken super, etc.
THANK YOU!
That’s very good. I didn’t get why certain attacks didn’t connect during juggles, or why only certain part of the moves did.
I'm not good enough for this to be helpful, but this was super interesting. I've always thought SF6's juggle mechanics were dumbed down since it doesn't factor in character weight/size as other SF games have, and while that still bugs me, there's clearly plenty under the hood.