Honestly i really appreciate how vaush actually explains his media takes even though i almost always disagree with them. Its so much better than the typical x is good because i like it and y is bad because i dont.
A big problem is that he just assumes a lot of things, like Re:Zero is no masterpiece but he acts as if it is typical isekai trash, because he has just definitely never watched it.
lol i mean im not gonna pretend he’s not mad, but those were legitimately some fucking shit reddit takes. you guys are pretty hyperbolic about his media takes being bad, they’re mostly fine criticisms whether you like the games or not
his only truly bad media takes are the music ones. Like only listening to video game OSTs is just massively missing out and not understanding the medium.
Idk why people are so mad over him having a differing opinion. Like as someone who grew up with people shitting on the games I love, and still watching the people who do so, it's not the end of the world if someone views the thing you like as bad. This isn't human rights, it's a goddamn piece of media.
I would love that. Vaush would intellectually insult his opponent all the time, and they would get so mad they would always just rage quit and he would win by default.
@@TSteffi "And that's why Stacey chose Tyrone over you in high school, because you're a coward!" from inside a wrestling ring would cause an earth shattering ripple effect across conservative America.
@@skep2923 they'd make out mid match. clearly. and while they make out, super eyepatch wolf uses the distraction to take down vaush. vaush, from being locked down in a chokehold, eyeing eyepatch wolf with a saddened and bewildered expression, as eyepatch wolf, now in tears, proclaims how sorry he is to betray vaush. but little did they know, in a first ever, hasan shows up as vaush's tag team partner and vaush is able to tap out right before they count to 3. not even contra revealing herself as eyepatch wolf's secret tag team partner can top that. can someone make a manga out of this?
@@aflockofconnivingmagpies3490 it's the gamerriseup effect. People make an ironic joke, then a bunch of people with tiny brains completely miss that it was ironic and just start repeating it seriously.
Because they're about as useful as a conspiracy theory. You gotta dig through 20 min of garbage to get to one half agreeable/true sentence. Pobody's nerfect. But it's not for no reason. Especially, if you listen to him with neutral feelings (not being a fan). All the, "I'm smart, youre dumb, I'm right, youre wrong," attitude. I've watched for years, and even I don't know when he's joking. If ever. Just saying, it's not for no reason.
@@cctomcat321 tf do you mean useful? This are literally his opinions about media, he's just talking about thing he likes, not making some political statements. Not to mention that his attitude of "I'm right, you are wrong" comes from the fact that 90% of the time he IS right and people arguing with him are wrong.
I actually don't get why people hate your media takes so much lol. I usually find myself either agreeing or softly disagreeing. Especially with video games, I think gamer nerds have this cognitive dissonance where they want video games to be taken seriously as art, but when you start critiquing it as art rather than entertainment they get super pissy. They're not mad that your takes are bad, they're mad that the takes are deeper than "I like the thing you like." In the words of Natasha Lyonne, "I guess I've learned to be increasingly less apologetic about being an intellectual. I don't really care anymore."
I really like Dunkey's second game critics video where he's basically going after the fans instead of the critics this time. Because I shit you not everything he said has only become even more true since then.....and then like a year later the internet threw a shit fit because he committed the sin of...god forbid...not liking the shitty open world Sonic game that all of the fans will turn on eventually like they always do.
Thank you so much for posting this, I literally could not agree with this comment any more and it perfectly puts into words how I’ve been feeling about a lot of gaming communities lately.
Do people really get that upset over his media takes? I don’t always agree with him but I do think he have some interesting perspectives that’s worth thinking about anyway
i love vaush's media takes BECAUSE they're nothing like mine. we enjoy very, very different styles of games - i like sandboxes, simulators and i lean towards co-op that isn't that hard. i use video games to relax in a way that vaush doesn't. i think that listening to vaush's opinions on these things have made me understand far more what i personally like in games and why, where before i might have bought games i honestly wouldn't like because i didn't consider the mechanics and whether they would be fun for me to play. now i see video games as an incredibly diverse art form and look at this hobby with a much more critical eye, and it's made things way more fun for me. plus, i get to hear about what brains that aren't mine think about things in the autistic type of critical style that i love to hear!! he lays his thoughts out so clearly and i love it!! i've never understood the bad media takes thing at all
same so true, Minecraft is my favorite game because I like it for different reasons, AND vaush's explanations have helped me understand why I enjoy the difficult combat games that I do
His criticisms are usually pretty spot on. I think the issue is that people do the thing where they assume Vaush thinks they suck as a person for enjoying a thing he criticised. Minecraft is a good example for me. I bought that game in beta and have over 1,000 hours in it. I enjoyed it and I still agree with his criticisms of Minecraft specifically. I just happen to like open sandbox stuff more than him.
I love how this is basically just vaush deciding to be like hasan and addressing all the stupidest people in his chat that purposefully misunderstand his words 😂
It really is absurd how much criticism of Vaush comes from people freaking out about things they imagined he said rather than anything he actually said. It's like they get triggered by his tone and project entirely different meanings to his words.
I will say even though I often disagree with Vaush's media takes I do get how he got there. I feel like the logic is usually easy to follow and understand even if I ultimately feel differently on a lotta the points, but I feel like that's pretty normal
Idk what that means but if you like that there is nothing wrong with that… Vaush said he likes it too after all (also not going to lie I want both now)
i agree with the majority of these takes.... although, i do love the concept of open world games and generally still hold out hope for my perfect open world game. not a lot of hope... but still
I think Elden Ring came close for me tbh. It's a game that I didn't think was possible to actually make just yet, but was pleasantly surprised that I was proven wrong.
@@samf.s.7731 Elden ring is definitely one of the best open world games ever made, maybe even the greatest. I adore fromsoft games truly, but honestly when all was said and done some stuff about elden rings content kinda fell short imo, and I really think it's a limitation of the style of game because I know from really gave it their best. And like a lot of other open world games, it's stuff that ends up feeling like filler. There are a lot of random crypts and caves in Elden ring that are barely worth doing once, and definitely not worth doing twice, and reused bosses pops up just a little bit too much. Outside of that it's a 10/10.
I think the fallout games are pretty good at creating an open world that isn’t just copy and pasted slop. At every location you’ll find an interesting and often unique story via side quest, person, or terminal. And on your way to the locations you will have random encounters some of which are unique and some of which are not. The games that do it the best imo are fallout 2, 3, and New Vegas (haven’t played 1, and 1&2 are a bit different because they don’t have a continuous open world but it’s still open none the less). Fallout 4 is especially terrible because of the copy and paste settlement quests and the way all of the main factions basically have the exact same story. But overall I think they do a good job for open world games.
Thank you for always having objectively correct media takes Vaush. You gave me the words to describe why I loved Elden Ring for the first play through, but hate replaying it.
I bought the game as soon as it was available early access a couple years ago. Im so stoked Larian has made my favorite turn based RPG of all time DOS2, play it with someone you like and you will not regret the playthrough legit some of the best times in an RPG since the original KOTOR twist 20 years ago. Im hoping they nail this game like Fromsoft did with Elden Ring and Dark Souls 3
@@shaphier7057 uhhhhhhh how can you nail anything harder than elden ring it pretty much defines what the genre can be at the moment that's a voosh take don't be contrarian to try and be an individual
@Jesayou how am I being contrarian? I still love elden ring. But if you think they perfected it you are dead wrong. The game is filled with the same repeat enemies and bosses. 90% of the dungeons might as well have been the chalice dungeons with how boring and reused everything is. For the last 20% of the game you don't fight any new enemies save some bosses. AGAIN I LIKE ELDEN RING but I've also been playing the souls games and many other games for a long time. The game gets very stretched at the end. Half of the content in the game you might as well skip in repeat playthroughs as a lot of areas offer nothing to the player depending on their build. I'd argue the game was too big for its own good. Tbh I can go on and on with the issues of elden ring, but I guess if you can find issues in something you enjoy that must mean I think it's awful
Vaush fans stop parasocially assuming he's your angry dad that's saying spiteful things to hurt your feelings when he shares an opinion (Challenge(IMPOSSIBLE))
I feel like his media takes aren't even that controversial, everyone who likes Skyrim, mine craft, and so on can acknowledge that the games are flawed while still being fun to play. We make criticisms so that in the future the flaws can be addressed, otherwise the industry will never improve.
@@chaserseven2886They do have accents though and it’s more than just a few. They’re just bad accents trying to sound some what Scandinavian since that is what Nords in ES are based off to an extent. Now, I don’t know what all Vaush said about the accents, but they are there. That’s isn’t a “weird” take. I think you are only paying attention to the more distinctive ones and ignoring the half assed ones that are most of the game.
His minecraft take was just poorly thought out. I don't think people would really care if he just said he doesn't like the game personally. Skyrim is just bad though.
I'm willing to acknowledge flaws with basically any game I play, no game is immune to criticism. my real problem is how inflammatory he can get sometimes, like its common sense someone isn't going to bend over backwards to be charitable towards you when you're being rude as hell. not so much in this video but he definitely was being a bit much in that one video where he was talking about open world stuff, I try to ignore the subconscious urge to reject what people are saying when they're being really condescending but past a certain point I cant ignore it. He kinda annoys me even when he debates sometimes slipping in little comments that serve seemingly no purpose besides shitting on their intellect, like what good does that really do
These people are probably very young (or mentally never grew up) and have very little going on in their real life. And due to that they build their whole personality on top of the game they happen to be playing. So, the moment you critisize "their" game, they lose their shit.
I might not always agree with Vaush's media takes but some of the criticism he gets for them is just insane lol. At least dislike them for real reasons
This isn't that different from Vaush's audience reflexively siding with any transgirl with a horrible take against him out of idiot aesthetics. He expects his audience to have basic self-awareness or know what an argument is, setting himself up for eternal disappointment.
I could not fucking handle the anime OST discussion like... Failed Berkley synth mashing? HELLO?!?! L'ARC EN'CIEL? MAXIMUM THE HORMONE? FUCKING YOKO ANNO? I need a drink lol
I tend to disagree with Vaush's media takes at first, but usually by the end of the segment I usually come out understanding why he would have them or even completely agreeing with him after hearing his explanation.
Huh. It's almost like the very broad media like gaming, will make people have their own perspective and opinions on the media on top of their personal preferences.
What is with gamers being so fucking like anti-linear to almost a religious degree? I get hand holding is terrible, but like most games in history have been linear to a degree and they weren’t all hand holdy. Like I don’t always think every one of Vaush’s media takes are all that amazing, but like I am not frothing at the mouth about them.
I agree with the big tent strategies that Vaush employs, but it's still very jarring to run into the staunchly liberal comments in his subreddit. It's insane to me that someone can completely dismiss the criticisms of capitalism that Vaush made in regards to predatory game designs.
It's wild how Vaush casually said "I'm not into sim games" like 2 months ago and these nerds are building a narrative out of it. It wasn't even a take, someone just asked him if he liked Rimworld and he said "nah" and didn't elaborate.
i find that people who say his media takes are trash have a huge problem actually listening to the words he is saying. Which is insane cuz he generally explains himself very well. Not to say he has no bad take but god damn he so often gets criticized in ways that make it very apparently that the critic has not properly listened to what Vaush said and just instantly gets defensive.
Tbf "red dead 2 is mid" is a wild one from someone who praises handcrafted content. Thats 1 game where at least i personally remember almost everything about it, side content and all, and i never think to use the fast travel system
I tried to play it a few times and lost interest every time shortly after the intro in the mountains. I had to force myself to finish it recently, and I did enjoy my time with it in the end, I don’t have think it was amazing or anything.
@@AProbablyPostman You could frame every game that gives you objectives this way. It doesn't take away from the overall experience in rdr2 the way it does in a ubisoft game.
Reddit used to be my favorite site and app of all time. And then I drastically improved my mental health, I'm doing a lot better now and I never go on it.
The only bad media take Vaush has is on the Evangelion Rebuild series. He completely missed the criticism being levied at the audience and condemned the whole thing as a result of his inattentiveness. Like c'mon. Hell is portrayed as a never ending torrent of Evas. How much more on the nose do they have to get? Anno was doing the "Eat your slop little piggies." thing. Vaush loves that. The nonsense from most people is them mistaking their inference for his implication or lack thereof combined with what is frankly the McDonalds of media diets. That is, inexperience with a wide enough variety of the same set of ideas to form a meaningful concept of what it means when those ideas are being used more or less successfully. Something that only comes with age and experience. This is the source of like, 90% of the vitriol from what I've seen. Vaush is wrong about some stuff. We all are, we can't know everything. But of course, chat never takes advantage of these moments because they are too busy being mad about that other stuff I mentioned. His incorrectness on a given thing gets rolled into chat's sense of exasperation at their misunderstanding and then someone says something conflating the two which sets Vaush off and that's where all of these conversations devolve into a circular mess. Chat is uncharitable, Vaush doesn't want to contextualize every little thing, this is oil and water. Just don't do it.
When you say, "I don’t like this thing," people take that to mean, "I think this thing is bad," which they also take to mean, "I think this thing shouldn't be done."
The thing you learn after you grow up is it is completely fine for you to like something that someone else doesn't like. Just cause somebody on TH-cam hates your favorite game doesn't devalue the game for you.
To be honest, I think it's because most people have no concept of media criticism, or sometimes even art. The idea of a balanced work? Foreign to them. What they want isn't a videogames, it's a drug. It produces a feeling they like, and in that respect, it's seems like better economy to have a kilo of 60% than an eightball of 99%. I hate so much the most popular media now, and I'm just barely old enough to have seen it happen. Marvel movies, Call of Duty, Minecraft, Fortnite, the rise of procedural generation and learning algorithms. The way things are now there's such an incentive to make trash, and it'll keep getting worse until we change it.
My favourite thing about vaush is that if someone says he fucks kids he'll laugh but if someone makes a reddit post about his take on Mario Sunshine or some shit, he'll seethe on stream going through the comments for like an hour
53:36 Music guy here! I don't really listen to anime osts, but what the guy is talking about is a very real stereotype lmao. Basically, the idea is the person went to music school (Berklee), stayed trapped in a bubble for 4 years, and then tries to make the most complex, interesting composition possible that actually just sucks. And lol at all the chatters laughing at "noodling"
I think a lot of Vaushs media takes are either not the complete picture or partially wrong. When they're not the complete picture, it's typically a good addition to the mainstream take, and since no take by itself can capture the full picture (postmodernism), I like these takes for complementing my half baked media takes, even if it sometimes takes a lot of thinking to combine to two into a cohesive unit of a take. The takes where he's partially wrong can be annoying, but even they add to the picture. They should be taken with a much bigger grain of salt and all, but they can still be valuable. Most importantly, whether Vaushs media takes are good or bad isn't all that important, we should just accept his opinion and either respectfully disagree or learn from it.
I think one reason people get a defensive over media takes (aside from making the media we consume our entire identities) is often times people will use "blah blah blah.......but it's okay if you like it" as a sort of half-assed shield that downplays the person's original opinion in order to look like they're making a sort of "compromise" with you. It's like a parent going "Drinking soda is bad for your teeth, but it's okay if you want to drink it", it feels passive aggressive. It's the same thing whenever someone caveats their review/assesment/critique with "of course, nothing's perfect". I hate it so much, it's like, fucking, I know dude, of course nothing is perfect, you're just saying that as a way to hedge your bets in case your opinion isn't aligned with the popular opinion. It's the same with "it's okay if you like it", yeah, I know it's okay if I like it, but you mentioning that is your way to hedge your bets in case your opinion isn't aligned with the popular opinion, so it feels like you're hiding a judgement behind it when you really aren't. Big "wearing a t-shirt that says 'I hate anal sex' and saying 'people are asking questions my shirt already answers'" energy. Vaush would be better off just stating his opinion and not make caveats in those instances.
I agree, especially if you go really hard on the piece of media. Saying it’s okay if you like it though especially with the rants Vaush can go on with some of his takes can come across as “it’s okay that you’re a dumbfuck that likes this dumb thing” 😂
This approach works much better when you make it clear that you understand WHY other people like it, instead of just saying it's OK if you do. "This game is so damn easy it's mind-numbing, but it's fine if you like it" Rude. Implies the other person is lazy or stupid. "This game is so damn easy it's mind-numbing, but I know alot of people play games to relax" Understanding. Makes it clear that it's a preference and not a condemnation. This is bad pattern that I see Joseph Anderson fall into alot. So I can see where Vaush picked it up.
Ok, but can you see why "...often times people will use..." is unfair on the part of the listener. That someone making that assumption is using inference and mistaking it for implication? Especially in this situation where Vaush has talked about this subject many times. "...of course nothing is perfect, you're just...." This is the same thing. It's very uncharitable. Maybe the person is just trying to acknowledge that a thing has flaws but going into them would be too much effort in the current circumstance. Or else that they are of such minor consequence that they feel they are only worth a vague acknowledgement. You're assuming dishonesty and pandering while ignoring the context in which that statement has been made.
@@tevenpowell8023 even that's not a perfect way of putting it because what is "easy" for you may not be "easy" for someone else like i feel like people also get tetchy when a critique makes a statement that simply isn't true to the listener's personal experience, like saying "x is boring" when the listener was not bored by x is just going to _sound incorrect_ if you say it like that
@@Envy_May This reminds me of Joseph Anderson's old review of SOMA. Where he made the bold claim that "it isn't a horror game because it isn't scary" Naturally people Pointe out to him that just because he wasn't personally scared doesn't doesn't necessarily mean it "isn't scary" And it definitely doesn't mean it's not a horror game. It comes across as real dismissive of other's opinions. Especially when he kept doubling down when comments brought up this issue with him.
my favorite open world mechanic thats a Ubisoft "staple" is to fill the world with tedious crafting materials and collectibles to gather only to have an implemented INGAME store where you can buy said crafting materials and maps that will mark the location of all the collectibles. It's almost like there's some sort of conflict of interest in that design.
That Joseph Anderson video of all the moon cutscenes and playing the game for 10 minutes taking note of where most optional moons are, I can't imagine anybody thinking Odyssey is not tedious to complete ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SAY THEY WATCH HIM. Whether it's more tedious than Sunshine? A good question, but saying it isn't at all is just baffling. That followed by the complete misinterpretation of the handmade design argument makes for the most critically blind take I've ever seen about videogames overall.
I mean sometimes hearing a critic of media might ruin your enjoyment of it because it points out some problem which you didn't see before. E.g. Vaush talking about TotK did dampen my positive opinion of it. So if you are afraid of that, I understand if you don't want to listen to some media critic. That said Vaush might be mad but the people on his reddit deserve it for not understanding what he's saying.
1:13:15 Vaush has never played Creatures 1-3. Vaush has never played E.V.O. Search for Eden. Vaush has never played Cubivore or Chulip. PROVE ME WRONG. I win. Probably never played Amazing Island either.
Wow ive really never understood people who genuinely freak out when someone else has a negative opinion of media they like. I agree with vaush on a lot of his media takes, and disage with a lot of others. There are times that i hear him or someone else insult a piece of media i like, and for a second i feel personally insulted... But then i instantly realize that its all just down to personal preference, and its possible to like a piece of media, yet simultaneously understand that there are likely valid criticisms of it and its stupid for me to feel like someone insulting or criticizing a game i like is a personal slight against me. I actually quite enjoy hearing the opinions other people have on the media i enjoy because a lot of times i learn new ways of thinking about it. No media is perfect, and critical analysis of it is a great way for us to understand it better (as well as understand ourselves and the culture we live in better, since the media we enjoy is a reflection of us and our culture). I guess my overall point is that people need to quit connecting their entire identity to media they enjoy. Someone else dosent like the same shit you do? Cool, who gives a fuck. They have critique of it? Great, listen to it, maybe youll gain a new lense to look at it through. ( Well, unless its a dumbass like ben Shapiro and the entirety of the criticizim is "there was a black and a trans in it, and the woman was the coolest character" but vaush is definitely not that at all, hes stating real logical reasons he has problems with things not just "too woke") Just calm the fuck down. Art is subjective. Just enjoy what you enjoy. And critically analyze what you enjoy because its a good thing ti do that. Ive loved plenty of things that i had deep deep criticism for. Sorry this ended up so long. This vid made me as not mad as the dumbass reddit thread mad vaush, plus im a little drunk. If you read all the way through then, cheers! You are sexy and smart and awesome in every way.
The fact that people can’t understand what he means when he says “copy pasted map” and “individually created map” That is so funny because it so obvious what he means. 😂😂😂
I feel Vaush doesn't like survival games or their mechanics. To be fair, a lot of games have been mashing genres to lead to larger games and using the iterative map creation process to make things larger. I think its sort of a balance the developers need create to make sure the dead space between landmarks feels like exploration and not like tedious filler, but some are never going to enjoy an open world if they don't enjoy the challenges or puzzles at the ports of interest. I imagine that vaush wouldn't enjoy something like sons of the forest, rust, or minecraft (as he mentioned) more because that genre is doing more of a competitive survive mechanic and using the large world to hide things. I can admit it's annoying when ubisoft and EA uses this model in its story based games, mainly because it seems to inflate it with filler rather than challenge. Another way I look at it is the maps are characters in the game that you're always interacting with. Open world maps can be interesting characters as long as they aren't flat and offering only one sort of challenge or story as you move along. Linear stories do a better job being interesting because it shows yiu what it wants, but even that can get repetitive if it's constantly the same halls and corridors. As for for the spending money for "animating grabbing a can of beans", i appreciate it. I like the immersive experience and I think its part of the cowboy fantasy everyone wants to play out in Red Dead Redemption 2 skyrim as well, they place items either in world or in containers you can loot, which I prefer over the JRPG style in final fantasy 15 or dark souls series of just a little shiny thing on the ground. It's a small detail, but it was almost enough to take me out of it. My question for vaush though is what did he think of the dishonored series map design? I feel like dishonored 2's clockwork mansion and Stilton manor in death to the outsider showed some really interesting ways to handle level design when coupled with game mechanics.
SAME!! I love Vaush's media critiques. I was laughing my ass off when he explained why he didn't love Cyberpunk Edgerunners like everyone else did. I personally really loved it but his criticisms were valid and hilarious bc he pointed out some flaws I didn't consider before. I think a lot of his fans are just insecure about people not liking the things they like.
To be fair, the first Avengers movie having quips between superheroes worked really well. Before that, it was all dark serious stuff, or camp, so it worked very well. Marvel just took it too far, thought about it for a while, then took it three times as far as the previous too far limit. Then started again with entirely new people, and instantly took it too far, and wondered why nobody liked the movies.
Alright, I won't take the shade about Horizon Zero Dawn. That game's greatest strength is its dynamic combat and its tight resource economy, and both make the open world more compelling in its design. Fights aren't leveled, so the only way they can add challenge is to introduce newer, more powerful enemies. I understand that this game is getting caught in the crossfire a little, but his criticisms don't really apply. Whatever, just thought I'd throw it out there for the sake of it.
Idk if my earlier comment sent. Most chatters in the youtube comments are meming when it comes to "Vaush having bad media takes." Reddit is a different breed though!
As I was listening to this, I was playing Crash Bandicoot 4, restarting the same level I already beat for the 20th time, because in order to get 106% in the game you need to get all 6 gems in each level and not die doing so before moving on to play the exact same level YET AGAIN, but “N. Verted” (ooh it’s like mirrored this time) with another 6 gems to collect. Vaush is absolute spot on when it comes to companies artificially padding out game length and how something like that compared to, say, Mario Sunshine is night and day
I think my biggest issue with open world games is that I don’t even remember most or even a lot of what I have played. Like a linear game like TLoU2, God of War, Resident Evil 4 remake, I remember so much more of those games than I do ToTK, RDR2 or even Elden Ring (which I actually do love and consider one of my all time favorites)
I dunno. I flipped a coin, which bounced off my d20, which fell off the shelf onto my random number generator, which said, "Vaush is right, on this one." Which isn't even a number, but whatevs.
57:45 I'm reminded of how fortunate I am that I spent time on Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning instead, that game has more of a God of War approach to the gameplay and strong writing (albeit a bit tropy)
I got lost posting my thoughts on D2 map design, I meant to post in the reddit thread discussing Vaush's takes, but ended up in a similar thread instead. My opinion that "While many games have random maps, d2 does it just a little bit differently. With sufficient experience you can read the map in d2 and know where to go based on understanding how the game builds each location" was benign enough that I left it, but I stand by my mistakes. Random maps are not all created equally, and few games have done them as well as D2.
Sometimes I wonder if these comments on Reddit on Vaush's media opinions are just shitposters looking for a reaction, then they come to these videos and are cackling to themselves when their comment gets raged on... I mean, I don't go on Reddit, so I don't know the vibe there. Maybe that isn't a motivation...
16:00 I agree that poorly made open world is boring, but there are reasons why we enjoy good open worlds. For me its about the atmosphere, world building, and imermersion. Games like The Elder Scrolls, WoW Classic, BOTW, Witcher... on and on, these games understand how to be large, and interesting.
Sorry Vance you’re not beating the mad allegations
Who is vance?
@@P.ManoelAd-Vance Deez nuts into yo jaw
@@P.Manoel that actor vance vaungh
@@P.Manoel Vunch
@@damjanp7920 no ur confused, he is talking about MF Vaush, also known as Vance Vaungh.
I'm gonna put it in the newspaper that you got mad
voosh mad voosh mad voosh mad... VOOSH MAD!!!!!!!!
Mfw I wake at 2am to stream because of a reddit thread (why is my sleep schedule so whack)
NOOOOO HE SPECIFICALLY SAIDDDD
Extrè extrè! Vaush mad!
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Honestly i really appreciate how vaush actually explains his media takes even though i almost always disagree with them. Its so much better than the typical x is good because i like it and y is bad because i dont.
Oh I love watching his media takes. They're always so well thought out and then at the end he's just wrong.
A big problem is that he just assumes a lot of things, like Re:Zero is no masterpiece but he acts as if it is typical isekai trash, because he has just definitely never watched it.
It's like watching Caesar explain exactly why he has an Intelligence score of 4
The mole rats have 5 Intelligence
Give example please.
@@mogscugg2639 Wait Caesar has a- son of a bitch, that is brilliant.
Narrator: He was, in fact, a little bit mad.
...Vaush said *calmly*
This one was intense to see live. It's been awhile since I've heard him this mad
Wait but he specifically said he wasn't mad
@@WarsWorthoh right, he's not mad
*not-mad
The problem is Vaush has unwittingly amassed an audience of bottoms who enjoy being insulted and talked down to.
"unwittingly", though? 😂
Leave me alone!
Some just enjoy the takes and don't take the insults personally ^^
true
I don’t think you know what bottom means
Whatever is on Reddit is wrong. Whoever posts on Reddit is wrong.
Therefore, Vaush is right.
Absolutely airtight logic
When you're in a social media site where the entire system prevents people from having their opinions challenged, brain rot occurs.
Correct lol
But Vawsg also posts a reddit.
but vaush bad :(
All the newspapers are already saying VAUSH MAD
lol i mean im not gonna pretend he’s not mad, but those were legitimately some fucking shit reddit takes. you guys are pretty hyperbolic about his media takes being bad, they’re mostly fine criticisms whether you like the games or not
It's summer reddit. These are kids. Reddit usually isn't anywhere near this dumb.
his only truly bad media takes are the music ones. Like only listening to video game OSTs is just massively missing out and not understanding the medium.
@@conniescurse7325meme?
Idk why people are so mad over him having a differing opinion. Like as someone who grew up with people shitting on the games I love, and still watching the people who do so, it's not the end of the world if someone views the thing you like as bad. This isn't human rights, it's a goddamn piece of media.
@@conniescurse7325 Not being really into music as a hobby isn't a "take". Stop and think about this.
Vaush shitting on his subreddit is always a good time and well deserved. Unironically S tier content here
We need more leftists shitting on reddit content.
Vaush needs to become a pro wrestler with that energy. Seriously, imagine buff Vaush telling Maxwell Jacob Friedman how it is.
I would love that. Vaush would intellectually insult his opponent all the time, and they would get so mad they would always just rage quit and he would win by default.
@@TSteffi "And that's why Stacey chose Tyrone over you in high school, because you're a coward!" from inside a wrestling ring would cause an earth shattering ripple effect across conservative America.
Vaush with the Steiner chain mail and shades breaking down Alden's number
Consider: Super Eyepatch Wolf and Vaush pro wrestling showdown
@@skep2923 they'd make out mid match. clearly. and while they make out, super eyepatch wolf uses the distraction to take down vaush. vaush, from being locked down in a chokehold, eyeing eyepatch wolf with a saddened and bewildered expression, as eyepatch wolf, now in tears, proclaims how sorry he is to betray vaush. but little did they know, in a first ever, hasan shows up as vaush's tag team partner and vaush is able to tap out right before they count to 3. not even contra revealing herself as eyepatch wolf's secret tag team partner can top that. can someone make a manga out of this?
Vaush be like, "I feel like making teenagers cry, tonight"
But is fair, he gets a lot of shit for his media takes for no reason
Imo I think it was a joke at first to give him shit for his media takes and people have just taken it too far/didn't get the joke.
His media takes are hit or miss but more hit than miss IMO, his food takes are where the real shit's at
@@aflockofconnivingmagpies3490 it's the gamerriseup effect. People make an ironic joke, then a bunch of people with tiny brains completely miss that it was ironic and just start repeating it seriously.
Because they're about as useful as a conspiracy theory. You gotta dig through 20 min of garbage to get to one half agreeable/true sentence.
Pobody's nerfect. But it's not for no reason. Especially, if you listen to him with neutral feelings (not being a fan). All the, "I'm smart, youre dumb, I'm right, youre wrong," attitude. I've watched for years, and even I don't know when he's joking. If ever.
Just saying, it's not for no reason.
@@cctomcat321 tf do you mean useful? This are literally his opinions about media, he's just talking about thing he likes, not making some political statements. Not to mention that his attitude of "I'm right, you are wrong" comes from the fact that 90% of the time he IS right and people arguing with him are wrong.
I actually don't get why people hate your media takes so much lol. I usually find myself either agreeing or softly disagreeing. Especially with video games, I think gamer nerds have this cognitive dissonance where they want video games to be taken seriously as art, but when you start critiquing it as art rather than entertainment they get super pissy. They're not mad that your takes are bad, they're mad that the takes are deeper than "I like the thing you like."
In the words of Natasha Lyonne, "I guess I've learned to be increasingly less apologetic about being an intellectual. I don't really care anymore."
I really like Dunkey's second game critics video where he's basically going after the fans instead of the critics this time. Because I shit you not everything he said has only become even more true since then.....and then like a year later the internet threw a shit fit because he committed the sin of...god forbid...not liking the shitty open world Sonic game that all of the fans will turn on eventually like they always do.
Thank you so much for posting this, I literally could not agree with this comment any more and it perfectly puts into words how I’ve been feeling about a lot of gaming communities lately.
Do people really get that upset over his media takes? I don’t always agree with him but I do think he have some interesting perspectives that’s worth thinking about anyway
Yeah, people always go way too overboard and take everything personally like, chill, it's just an opinion, it changes nothing about your life.
@@RustBot42 I think a lot of people making these comments are just young, or haven't had the life experience to let stuff roll of their shoulders.
His media takes are probably bad. He's made several factually incorrect statements when criticizing games.
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I’m happy that you’re excited about food
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@@christopherlee9026 MF DOOM approves
i love vaush's media takes BECAUSE they're nothing like mine. we enjoy very, very different styles of games - i like sandboxes, simulators and i lean towards co-op that isn't that hard. i use video games to relax in a way that vaush doesn't. i think that listening to vaush's opinions on these things have made me understand far more what i personally like in games and why, where before i might have bought games i honestly wouldn't like because i didn't consider the mechanics and whether they would be fun for me to play. now i see video games as an incredibly diverse art form and look at this hobby with a much more critical eye, and it's made things way more fun for me. plus, i get to hear about what brains that aren't mine think about things in the autistic type of critical style that i love to hear!! he lays his thoughts out so clearly and i love it!! i've never understood the bad media takes thing at all
same so true, Minecraft is my favorite game because I like it for different reasons, AND vaush's explanations have helped me understand why I enjoy the difficult combat games that I do
Am I the only one that completely agrees with the takes? They honestly seem cold to me ngl
(Except Mario I’ve never played them games)
Same, and same 😂
His criticisms are usually pretty spot on. I think the issue is that people do the thing where they assume Vaush thinks they suck as a person for enjoying a thing he criticised.
Minecraft is a good example for me. I bought that game in beta and have over 1,000 hours in it. I enjoyed it and I still agree with his criticisms of Minecraft specifically.
I just happen to like open sandbox stuff more than him.
No just look at the likes more people agree then disagree
Fanboy fanatism make people stupid
They’re decent, though he’s completely wrong in calling Minecraft and Roblox the same kind of game.
I love how this is basically just vaush deciding to be like hasan and addressing all the stupidest people in his chat that purposefully misunderstand his words 😂
This is so true holy shit, which also makes sense considering this is some of the best content we have gotten in a long time.
Vaush seems like a really fun guy to tease
He do be autistic
Fr lmao
if youre the kind of person that does this, you should find a better personality.
Because he goes „right back at ya!“, and doesn’t seem to have hard feelings about it.
Good thing he wasn't mad about it.
It really is absurd how much criticism of Vaush comes from people freaking out about things they imagined he said rather than anything he actually said. It's like they get triggered by his tone and project entirely different meanings to his words.
He sounded tired right off the bat hahah
this is some perfect vaush sleep-aid content
Facts I did sleep to this last night
See, your first mistake was opening Reddit at all.
I will say even though I often disagree with Vaush's media takes I do get how he got there. I feel like the logic is usually easy to follow and understand even if I ultimately feel differently on a lotta the points, but I feel like that's pretty normal
Oh, cool let me make up something Vaush totally said too: "I like eating cheesecake and pizza together in one bite" - Vaush 2028
That sounds like a bussin combo though. Sweet and savory are great together.
Idk what that means but if you like that there is nothing wrong with that… Vaush said he likes it too after all (also not going to lie I want both now)
Vaush shitting on his subreddit is peak humor every time.
i agree with the majority of these takes.... although, i do love the concept of open world games and generally still hold out hope for my perfect open world game. not a lot of hope... but still
I think Elden Ring came close for me tbh. It's a game that I didn't think was possible to actually make just yet, but was pleasantly surprised that I was proven wrong.
@@samf.s.7731 Elden ring is definitely one of the best open world games ever made, maybe even the greatest. I adore fromsoft games truly, but honestly when all was said and done some stuff about elden rings content kinda fell short imo, and I really think it's a limitation of the style of game because I know from really gave it their best.
And like a lot of other open world games, it's stuff that ends up feeling like filler. There are a lot of random crypts and caves in Elden ring that are barely worth doing once, and definitely not worth doing twice, and reused bosses pops up just a little bit too much. Outside of that it's a 10/10.
I think the fallout games are pretty good at creating an open world that isn’t just copy and pasted slop. At every location you’ll find an interesting and often unique story via side quest, person, or terminal. And on your way to the locations you will have random encounters some of which are unique and some of which are not. The games that do it the best imo are fallout 2, 3, and New Vegas (haven’t played 1, and 1&2 are a bit different because they don’t have a continuous open world but it’s still open none the less). Fallout 4 is especially terrible because of the copy and paste settlement quests and the way all of the main factions basically have the exact same story. But overall I think they do a good job for open world games.
I’ve never consumed the media he talks about here, but I’m very entertained by the unbridled rage Vaush has for these redditors.
Thank you for always having objectively correct media takes Vaush. You gave me the words to describe why I loved Elden Ring for the first play through, but hate replaying it.
This is why im so excited for Baldur's gate 3, it literally does EVERYTHING right - it's incredible.
I bought the game as soon as it was available early access a couple years ago. Im so stoked Larian has made my favorite turn based RPG of all time DOS2, play it with someone you like and you will not regret the playthrough legit some of the best times in an RPG since the original KOTOR twist 20 years ago. Im hoping they nail this game like Fromsoft did with Elden Ring and Dark Souls 3
@@Jesayou yep yep yep, exciting times
@@Jesayou like elden ring and dark souls 3 were good, but "nailed it" naaaah, not even. still good games though
@@shaphier7057 uhhhhhhh how can you nail anything harder than elden ring it pretty much defines what the genre can be at the moment that's a voosh take don't be contrarian to try and be an individual
@Jesayou how am I being contrarian? I still love elden ring. But if you think they perfected it you are dead wrong. The game is filled with the same repeat enemies and bosses. 90% of the dungeons might as well have been the chalice dungeons with how boring and reused everything is. For the last 20% of the game you don't fight any new enemies save some bosses. AGAIN I LIKE ELDEN RING but I've also been playing the souls games and many other games for a long time. The game gets very stretched at the end. Half of the content in the game you might as well skip in repeat playthroughs as a lot of areas offer nothing to the player depending on their build. I'd argue the game was too big for its own good. Tbh I can go on and on with the issues of elden ring, but I guess if you can find issues in something you enjoy that must mean I think it's awful
Vaush fans stop parasocially assuming he's your angry dad that's saying spiteful things to hurt your feelings when he shares an opinion (Challenge(IMPOSSIBLE))
the bit about V not having real interest or knowledge of art and media is actually a pretty cruel and hurtful thing to say. he IS an artist after all.
I feel like his media takes aren't even that controversial, everyone who likes Skyrim, mine craft, and so on can acknowledge that the games are flawed while still being fun to play.
We make criticisms so that in the future the flaws can be addressed, otherwise the industry will never improve.
@@chaserseven2886They do have accents though and it’s more than just a few. They’re just bad accents trying to sound some what Scandinavian since that is what Nords in ES are based off to an extent. Now, I don’t know what all Vaush said about the accents, but they are there. That’s isn’t a “weird” take. I think you are only paying attention to the more distinctive ones and ignoring the half assed ones that are most of the game.
His minecraft take was just poorly thought out. I don't think people would really care if he just said he doesn't like the game personally. Skyrim is just bad though.
I'm willing to acknowledge flaws with basically any game I play, no game is immune to criticism. my real problem is how inflammatory he can get sometimes, like its common sense someone isn't going to bend over backwards to be charitable towards you when you're being rude as hell. not so much in this video but he definitely was being a bit much in that one video where he was talking about open world stuff, I try to ignore the subconscious urge to reject what people are saying when they're being really condescending but past a certain point I cant ignore it. He kinda annoys me even when he debates sometimes slipping in little comments that serve seemingly no purpose besides shitting on their intellect, like what good does that really do
These people are probably very young (or mentally never grew up) and have very little going on in their real life. And due to that they build their whole personality on top of the game they happen to be playing. So, the moment you critisize "their" game, they lose their shit.
Only the most secure, confident people do an impulse stream to flip out over insignificant disagreements. Not mad btw
"In this 90 minute video I will explain how the people who casually commented in this thread before moving on with their day are too sensitive"
@@robrotron2084 The people in that thread were neither casual, nor moving on 😂
@@LimeyLassenneither was vaush
@@cornfield3034 He does get paid to lecture on stream. About anything.
I might not always agree with Vaush's media takes but some of the criticism he gets for them is just insane lol. At least dislike them for real reasons
This isn't that different from Vaush's audience reflexively siding with any transgirl with a horrible take against him out of idiot aesthetics. He expects his audience to have basic self-awareness or know what an argument is, setting himself up for eternal disappointment.
This was a crazy one. I missed it and woke up after it ended. Saw the replay.
I could not fucking handle the anime OST discussion like... Failed Berkley synth mashing? HELLO?!?! L'ARC EN'CIEL? MAXIMUM THE HORMONE? FUCKING YOKO ANNO? I need a drink lol
I tend to disagree with Vaush's media takes at first, but usually by the end of the segment I usually come out understanding why he would have them or even completely agreeing with him after hearing his explanation.
Huh. It's almost like the very broad media like gaming, will make people have their own perspective and opinions on the media on top of their personal preferences.
He often has legitimate points, but the problem is those points are often based off incorrect assumptions and comparisons.
32 seconds in is where you really can tell hes mad
I like video games, and I don't think realizing there are things to criticize ever ruined a game for me or made me angry when somebody pointed it out.
What is with gamers being so fucking like anti-linear to almost a religious degree? I get hand holding is terrible, but like most games in history have been linear to a degree and they weren’t all hand holdy.
Like I don’t always think every one of Vaush’s media takes are all that amazing, but like I am not frothing at the mouth about them.
I literally watch Vaush for his media takes
Vaush, unironically, r/VaushV has gone full lib. See discussions on the protests.
Yup. Everything related to Vaush that isn’t Vaush himself is a fucking cesspool
which protests?
@@ΚάσσιοςΔίο The Germany climate ones.
I agree with the big tent strategies that Vaush employs, but it's still very jarring to run into the staunchly liberal comments in his subreddit.
It's insane to me that someone can completely dismiss the criticisms of capitalism that Vaush made in regards to predatory game designs.
I'm also starting to think that that thread was handcrafted by a troll in a way to maximally piss him off.
It's wild how Vaush casually said "I'm not into sim games" like 2 months ago and these nerds are building a narrative out of it. It wasn't even a take, someone just asked him if he liked Rimworld and he said "nah" and didn't elaborate.
Watching this premiere at 5am eastern was insane. He was, btw, not mad
i find that people who say his media takes are trash have a huge problem actually listening to the words he is saying.
Which is insane cuz he generally explains himself very well.
Not to say he has no bad take but god damn he so often gets criticized in ways that make it very apparently that the critic has not properly listened to what Vaush said and just instantly gets defensive.
Tbf "red dead 2 is mid" is a wild one from someone who praises handcrafted content. Thats 1 game where at least i personally remember almost everything about it, side content and all, and i never think to use the fast travel system
Every mission is just a checklist of map icons to follow, I couldn't stand it.
I tried to play it a few times and lost interest every time shortly after the intro in the mountains. I had to force myself to finish it recently, and I did enjoy my time with it in the end, I don’t have think it was amazing or anything.
@@AProbablyPostman You could frame every game that gives you objectives this way. It doesn't take away from the overall experience in rdr2 the way it does in a ubisoft game.
@@garbandgulyberdimuhamedow4604 It's often the worst part of modern RPGs
The subreddit must hate Stephanie Sterling since her critiques of damn near the same.
I actually loved the combat of Witcher 3. I found having every interaction feel like a cutscene was a bit much.
I'm also replaying Skyrim rn lol
Reddit used to be my favorite site and app of all time. And then I drastically improved my mental health, I'm doing a lot better now and I never go on it.
The only bad media take Vaush has is on the Evangelion Rebuild series. He completely missed the criticism being levied at the audience and condemned the whole thing as a result of his inattentiveness. Like c'mon. Hell is portrayed as a never ending torrent of Evas. How much more on the nose do they have to get? Anno was doing the "Eat your slop little piggies." thing. Vaush loves that.
The nonsense from most people is them mistaking their inference for his implication or lack thereof combined with what is frankly the McDonalds of media diets. That is, inexperience with a wide enough variety of the same set of ideas to form a meaningful concept of what it means when those ideas are being used more or less successfully. Something that only comes with age and experience. This is the source of like, 90% of the vitriol from what I've seen.
Vaush is wrong about some stuff. We all are, we can't know everything. But of course, chat never takes advantage of these moments because they are too busy being mad about that other stuff I mentioned. His incorrectness on a given thing gets rolled into chat's sense of exasperation at their misunderstanding and then someone says something conflating the two which sets Vaush off and that's where all of these conversations devolve into a circular mess.
Chat is uncharitable, Vaush doesn't want to contextualize every little thing, this is oil and water. Just don't do it.
When you say, "I don’t like this thing," people take that to mean, "I think this thing is bad," which they also take to mean, "I think this thing shouldn't be done."
The thing you learn after you grow up is it is completely fine for you to like something that someone else doesn't like. Just cause somebody on TH-cam hates your favorite game doesn't devalue the game for you.
To be honest, I think it's because most people have no concept of media criticism, or sometimes even art.
The idea of a balanced work? Foreign to them.
What they want isn't a videogames, it's a drug. It produces a feeling they like, and in that respect, it's seems like better economy to have a kilo of 60% than an eightball of 99%.
I hate so much the most popular media now, and I'm just barely old enough to have seen it happen. Marvel movies, Call of Duty, Minecraft, Fortnite, the rise of procedural generation and learning algorithms. The way things are now there's such an incentive to make trash, and it'll keep getting worse until we change it.
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The fact that ska music plays every time you collect a sprite makes Sunshine the best.
My favourite thing about vaush is that if someone says he fucks kids he'll laugh but if someone makes a reddit post about his take on Mario Sunshine or some shit, he'll seethe on stream going through the comments for like an hour
53:36 Music guy here! I don't really listen to anime osts, but what the guy is talking about is a very real stereotype lmao. Basically, the idea is the person went to music school (Berklee), stayed trapped in a bubble for 4 years, and then tries to make the most complex, interesting composition possible that actually just sucks. And lol at all the chatters laughing at "noodling"
I'm interested in what show he's pulling that stereotype from because anime OSTs are super diverse and this doesn't narrow it down at all
Weird take since Attack on Titan is probably the best OST to come out regardless of what region it originated from.
I think a lot of Vaushs media takes are either not the complete picture or partially wrong.
When they're not the complete picture, it's typically a good addition to the mainstream take, and since no take by itself can capture the full picture (postmodernism), I like these takes for complementing my half baked media takes, even if it sometimes takes a lot of thinking to combine to two into a cohesive unit of a take.
The takes where he's partially wrong can be annoying, but even they add to the picture. They should be taken with a much bigger grain of salt and all, but they can still be valuable.
Most importantly, whether Vaushs media takes are good or bad isn't all that important, we should just accept his opinion and either respectfully disagree or learn from it.
Im sorry but its hilarious how not mad he is
vaush kinda hot when he's mad huh
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Vaush kinda hot period.
Guys I think he might be mad idk
I really want to watch a Vaush D&D campaign.
Ok to be fair guys, a lot of your criticisms were you completely misremembering what he said.
I think one reason people get a defensive over media takes (aside from making the media we consume our entire identities) is often times people will use "blah blah blah.......but it's okay if you like it" as a sort of half-assed shield that downplays the person's original opinion in order to look like they're making a sort of "compromise" with you. It's like a parent going "Drinking soda is bad for your teeth, but it's okay if you want to drink it", it feels passive aggressive.
It's the same thing whenever someone caveats their review/assesment/critique with "of course, nothing's perfect". I hate it so much, it's like, fucking, I know dude, of course nothing is perfect, you're just saying that as a way to hedge your bets in case your opinion isn't aligned with the popular opinion. It's the same with "it's okay if you like it", yeah, I know it's okay if I like it, but you mentioning that is your way to hedge your bets in case your opinion isn't aligned with the popular opinion, so it feels like you're hiding a judgement behind it when you really aren't. Big "wearing a t-shirt that says 'I hate anal sex' and saying 'people are asking questions my shirt already answers'" energy. Vaush would be better off just stating his opinion and not make caveats in those instances.
I agree, especially if you go really hard on the piece of media. Saying it’s okay if you like it though especially with the rants Vaush can go on with some of his takes can come across as “it’s okay that you’re a dumbfuck that likes this dumb thing” 😂
This approach works much better when you make it clear that you understand WHY other people like it, instead of just saying it's OK if you do.
"This game is so damn easy it's mind-numbing, but it's fine if you like it"
Rude. Implies the other person is lazy or stupid.
"This game is so damn easy it's mind-numbing, but I know alot of people play games to relax"
Understanding. Makes it clear that it's a preference and not a condemnation.
This is bad pattern that I see Joseph Anderson fall into alot. So I can see where Vaush picked it up.
Ok, but can you see why "...often times people will use..." is unfair on the part of the listener. That someone making that assumption is using inference and mistaking it for implication? Especially in this situation where Vaush has talked about this subject many times.
"...of course nothing is perfect, you're just...." This is the same thing. It's very uncharitable. Maybe the person is just trying to acknowledge that a thing has flaws but going into them would be too much effort in the current circumstance. Or else that they are of such minor consequence that they feel they are only worth a vague acknowledgement.
You're assuming dishonesty and pandering while ignoring the context in which that statement has been made.
@@tevenpowell8023 even that's not a perfect way of putting it because what is "easy" for you may not be "easy" for someone else like i feel like people also get tetchy when a critique makes a statement that simply isn't true to the listener's personal experience, like saying "x is boring" when the listener was not bored by x is just going to _sound incorrect_ if you say it like that
@@Envy_May This reminds me of Joseph Anderson's old review of SOMA. Where he made the bold claim that "it isn't a horror game because it isn't scary"
Naturally people Pointe out to him that just because he wasn't personally scared doesn't doesn't necessarily mean it "isn't scary"
And it definitely doesn't mean it's not a horror game.
It comes across as real dismissive of other's opinions. Especially when he kept doubling down when comments brought up this issue with him.
my favorite open world mechanic thats a Ubisoft "staple" is to fill the world with tedious crafting materials and collectibles to gather only to have an implemented INGAME store where you can buy said crafting materials and maps that will mark the location of all the collectibles. It's almost like there's some sort of conflict of interest in that design.
That Joseph Anderson video of all the moon cutscenes and playing the game for 10 minutes taking note of where most optional moons are, I can't imagine anybody thinking Odyssey is not tedious to complete ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SAY THEY WATCH HIM. Whether it's more tedious than Sunshine? A good question, but saying it isn't at all is just baffling. That followed by the complete misinterpretation of the handmade design argument makes for the most critically blind take I've ever seen about videogames overall.
i like ur media takes
I like your editing work
@@rowbot5555 thank you ur cool
Hi cherry keep up the good work!
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Voosh as usual being incorrect and unbased the second he starts talking about media
Love vaush, easily one of my favorite content creators. So many of his media takes are bad.
@@WolfAgent7he admitted he just wants to be a contrarian with his takes on media. They’re still bad and he doesn’t try much.
What?
@@michaelraymon111exactly
@TacticalGAMINGzz never heard him say that but it makes a lot of sense
I mean sometimes hearing a critic of media might ruin your enjoyment of it because it points out some problem which you didn't see before. E.g. Vaush talking about TotK did dampen my positive opinion of it. So if you are afraid of that, I understand if you don't want to listen to some media critic. That said Vaush might be mad but the people on his reddit deserve it for not understanding what he's saying.
1:13:15 Vaush has never played Creatures 1-3. Vaush has never played E.V.O. Search for Eden. Vaush has never played Cubivore or Chulip. PROVE ME WRONG. I win. Probably never played Amazing Island either.
"I'm not owned!!!" I say as I shrink into a corncob
I have Attention deficit, so i in-fact enjoy collecting the crafting mats and reading the extra lore in books immensely.
Wow ive really never understood people who genuinely freak out when someone else has a negative opinion of media they like.
I agree with vaush on a lot of his media takes, and disage with a lot of others. There are times that i hear him or someone else insult a piece of media i like, and for a second i feel personally insulted... But then i instantly realize that its all just down to personal preference, and its possible to like a piece of media, yet simultaneously understand that there are likely valid criticisms of it and its stupid for me to feel like someone insulting or criticizing a game i like is a personal slight against me.
I actually quite enjoy hearing the opinions other people have on the media i enjoy because a lot of times i learn new ways of thinking about it.
No media is perfect, and critical analysis of it is a great way for us to understand it better (as well as understand ourselves and the culture we live in better, since the media we enjoy is a reflection of us and our culture).
I guess my overall point is that people need to quit connecting their entire identity to media they enjoy. Someone else dosent like the same shit you do?
Cool, who gives a fuck.
They have critique of it?
Great, listen to it, maybe youll gain a new lense to look at it through. ( Well, unless its a dumbass like ben Shapiro and the entirety of the criticizim is "there was a black and a trans in it, and the woman was the coolest character" but vaush is definitely not that at all, hes stating real logical reasons he has problems with things not just "too woke") Just calm the fuck down. Art is subjective. Just enjoy what you enjoy. And critically analyze what you enjoy because its a good thing ti do that. Ive loved plenty of things that i had deep deep criticism for.
Sorry this ended up so long. This vid made me as not mad as the dumbass reddit thread mad vaush, plus im a little drunk.
If you read all the way through then, cheers! You are sexy and smart and awesome in every way.
The fact that people can’t understand what he means when he says “copy pasted map” and “individually created map”
That is so funny because it so obvious what he means. 😂😂😂
Your media takes still suck but you make good arguments
This was the funniest stream of all time. To be honest this was good for him he needed to get his anger out on something that day
You should be mad actually
That Sunshine guy watched a highlight video of the game grumps playing and that’s his whole opinion of the game
I feel Vaush doesn't like survival games or their mechanics. To be fair, a lot of games have been mashing genres to lead to larger games and using the iterative map creation process to make things larger. I think its sort of a balance the developers need create to make sure the dead space between landmarks feels like exploration and not like tedious filler, but some are never going to enjoy an open world if they don't enjoy the challenges or puzzles at the ports of interest. I imagine that vaush wouldn't enjoy something like sons of the forest, rust, or minecraft (as he mentioned) more because that genre is doing more of a competitive survive mechanic and using the large world to hide things. I can admit it's annoying when ubisoft and EA uses this model in its story based games, mainly because it seems to inflate it with filler rather than challenge.
Another way I look at it is the maps are characters in the game that you're always interacting with. Open world maps can be interesting characters as long as they aren't flat and offering only one sort of challenge or story as you move along. Linear stories do a better job being interesting because it shows yiu what it wants, but even that can get repetitive if it's constantly the same halls and corridors.
As for for the spending money for "animating grabbing a can of beans", i appreciate it. I like the immersive experience and I think its part of the cowboy fantasy everyone wants to play out in Red Dead Redemption 2 skyrim as well, they place items either in world or in containers you can loot, which I prefer over the JRPG style in final fantasy 15 or dark souls series of just a little shiny thing on the ground. It's a small detail, but it was almost enough to take me out of it.
My question for vaush though is what did he think of the dishonored series map design? I feel like dishonored 2's clockwork mansion and Stilton manor in death to the outsider showed some really interesting ways to handle level design when coupled with game mechanics.
I genuinely like the media takes mote than the politics, I don't know why this community is so stupid
SAME!! I love Vaush's media critiques. I was laughing my ass off when he explained why he didn't love Cyberpunk Edgerunners like everyone else did. I personally really loved it but his criticisms were valid and hilarious bc he pointed out some flaws I didn't consider before. I think a lot of his fans are just insecure about people not liking the things they like.
To be fair, the first Avengers movie having quips between superheroes worked really well. Before that, it was all dark serious stuff, or camp, so it worked very well. Marvel just took it too far, thought about it for a while, then took it three times as far as the previous too far limit. Then started again with entirely new people, and instantly took it too far, and wondered why nobody liked the movies.
he mad
I actually feel he said things I felt relieved to hear. Like thank fuck I’m not the only one that knows it. Jesus.
vaush reguarly has the best and most well tempered takes but bipolerism and callout culture gets a lot of fingers with no legitimacy pointed at him.
Alright, I won't take the shade about Horizon Zero Dawn. That game's greatest strength is its dynamic combat and its tight resource economy, and both make the open world more compelling in its design. Fights aren't leveled, so the only way they can add challenge is to introduce newer, more powerful enemies. I understand that this game is getting caught in the crossfire a little, but his criticisms don't really apply. Whatever, just thought I'd throw it out there for the sake of it.
However, I will concede that a version of Horizon Zero Dawn that was built like Dark Souls has the potential to go hard.
Idk if my earlier comment sent. Most chatters in the youtube comments are meming when it comes to "Vaush having bad media takes." Reddit is a different breed though!
As I was listening to this, I was playing Crash Bandicoot 4, restarting the same level I already beat for the 20th time, because in order to get 106% in the game you need to get all 6 gems in each level and not die doing so before moving on to play the exact same level YET AGAIN, but “N. Verted” (ooh it’s like mirrored this time) with another 6 gems to collect. Vaush is absolute spot on when it comes to companies artificially padding out game length and how something like that compared to, say, Mario Sunshine is night and day
I think my biggest issue with open world games is that I don’t even remember most or even a lot of what I have played. Like a linear game like TLoU2, God of War, Resident Evil 4 remake, I remember so much more of those games than I do ToTK, RDR2 or even Elden Ring (which I actually do love and consider one of my all time favorites)
I dunno. I flipped a coin, which bounced off my d20, which fell off the shelf onto my random number generator, which said, "Vaush is right, on this one." Which isn't even a number, but whatevs.
57:45 I'm reminded of how fortunate I am that I spent time on Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning instead, that game has more of a God of War approach to the gameplay and strong writing (albeit a bit tropy)
Skyrim is the king of lets finish 30% of everything and let the modders figure it out. So depressing where the Elder Scrolls has gone.
I got lost posting my thoughts on D2 map design, I meant to post in the reddit thread discussing Vaush's takes, but ended up in a similar thread instead. My opinion that "While many games have random maps, d2 does it just a little bit differently. With sufficient experience you can read the map in d2 and know where to go based on understanding how the game builds each location" was benign enough that I left it, but I stand by my mistakes. Random maps are not all created equally, and few games have done them as well as D2.
Narrator voice: "And in the end, it turned out that he was mad the whole time."
who are these people on the subreddit? Literal npc energy
Sometimes I wonder if these comments on Reddit on Vaush's media opinions are just shitposters looking for a reaction, then they come to these videos and are cackling to themselves when their comment gets raged on... I mean, I don't go on Reddit, so I don't know the vibe there. Maybe that isn't a motivation...
Killer 7 has already been made, so no other games even matter.
And a firearm in RE4 was named after it😮
@@samf.s.7731 Oh fuck that's awesome
16:00 I agree that poorly made open world is boring, but there are reasons why we enjoy good open worlds. For me its about the atmosphere, world building, and imermersion. Games like The Elder Scrolls, WoW Classic, BOTW, Witcher... on and on, these games understand how to be large, and interesting.