So happy that you and the whole HBS are focusing on AI issues. Yes! AI is going to revolutionize almost everything including research activities. I've personally focused on the New Scientific Revolution. And surely that AI will help. Yes! The Ethical Dimension of AI needs to be considered as well. However, we all need to come together and contain the fear about AI.
It always disappoints me when a person in a position like Sam's, answers "what will people be doing in X years when everything is solved?" and the answer is along the lines of "being even more competitive and selfish, and looking to own more material things than ever before...GALAXYS!" and not "more empathetic, cooperative, constructive, curious, and not needing to consume to feel good about ones self..." But what should I expect from a VC. 🤷 I mean, really, what is the point of solving scarcity if we're just going to have to hop on a larger hamster wheel for the whims of the wealthiest among humans? Silicon Valley's vision for our future seems rather grim to me.
I think it can go both ways, no? The floor AND ceiling will be raised. The 'lowest' of us won't die from starvation, homelessness or illnesses anymore. Everyone can sort of just do their own thing without worrying about dying/having to work to literally keep themselves alive. But the 'highest' of us will also have new heights to reach. Claiming territory in space, golfing in Mars, whatever. When entrepreneurs say that to want more is 'human nature', I do hope they're projecting though. Because I really want to believe that humans are wholesome at heart. It's that tiny childish part of me that I refuse to let go to cynicism.
I think you might be conflating what Sam thinks will happen with what he wants to happen. Just because he believes that’s what will happen it doesn’t mean that is what he wishes will happen.
@jimgsewell perhaps, but I can't know what he would like to happen unless he says, and his words match his actions. My comment was based on what he said, I suppose we'll see what he does.
@@michmach74is a middle road possible? Yes, but currently the world seems to be projecting a future that seems a tad extreme and in various rather bad ways. I want the happy star trek future, and I believe humanity is capable of that, but I don't think that that happy future is compatible with the current economic and hierarchical arrangement.
If you're primary outtake from responses such as the aforementioned is the one you've provided, I'd suggest researching around 10 years into the past of Altman - particularly his appearances within YC. Altman's current philosophies are almost describable as "evolved" versions of his previous influences in the peak-developmental phases of his life from 18 - 30, including YC's board, Thiel, Chesky, etc. In actualization, Altman is relatively simple to understand as he represents the common denominators of many of the more eccentric types. His entire motto is "progress is better than stagnation, and to get progress you try a lot of things until one thing works, where you then push the one thing that works to its absolute extreme". Altman's common-denominator type personality allows him to speak about things in mostly-realistic terms, where he then tries to implement solutions in as simple as a way as possible. Humans have always been tribalistic and selfish. Realistically current time is the best time to exist in terms of everything, Altman has stated similar notions himself. The key is that Altman wants to use his 'progress' to make everyone marginally better-off, just like how the internet made a large population marginally better-off across multiple countries (or oil, or planes, or agriculture, or industrialization, or shipping, or radio), where it then pushes other countries to adopt the technology for their own selfish benefit, eventually benefiting everyone. Most people really are just 'cogs in a machine' working for some ultra-status person, in democracies it would be monopoly executives, and in government-led societies it would the small group of individuals in office that never leave. The reason these people are there in the first place is because they've made your life better very slowly over generations, and you or your ancestral tree agreed in some form (education, employment, shopping, living, what-have-you) to let these people become what they are. It certainly is existentially depressing, but your options are either to make the best of it (take advantage of it, change it, etc), or do nothing and guarantee no benefits for yourself even though your contributing to the system either way.
Must admit if the host asks me questions like these, I bet I would use a lot of fillers in my speech, Sam simply answer with zero fillers, very smart guy.
I'm not sure these questions were particularly tough, not to downplay he ability as a host. She was obviously interested in Altman personally but her interest was inhibited by the need to appeal to characteristic media guidelines. If you've been aware of Altman since approximately his days with PG you'd understand Altman's philosophies at far greater depths than what one would ever get from media such as this for the next few years.
Because ethics in AI is nuanced, the only reason to have them in place is to circumvent and loop hole regulation. To quote Jensen "AI is not going to take you're job but some that uses AI will." Simantics in its purest form.
No Sam, people are horrible. We shouldn’t ask the people what they want but instead come up with the binary morality of the universe and run the system off of that.
Sam's opinion is giving me vibes how he need to push and create legislation that would require AI as a necessary entity and how can his company could make more money.
There are always reasons why 'every exchange of existence is right'. All we need is harmonization to achieve the ownerless Earth Singularity with EQORIA, United Earth.
I've developed some basic ideas about Government by AI and I'm sure that this concept will be accelerated with Elon Musk and the second term of Pr Trump. Not only AI will help us build a COST-EFFECTIVE ADMINISTRATION (e-governance) but also it'll help reduce the cognitive limitations in politics that in turn will minimize the risk of incompetencies and corruption in politics. Surely, you heard about it. Mr Michael Porter and Katherine Gehl have focused recently on political innovation in the U.S. where they did show how much the U.S.politics was stuck. What matters now is to improve all of that.
5:43 "So why all of physics?" 6:00 "So the obvious question... what happens to all the physicists?" Wow... Is she serious? Such as shortsighted retort. I know he was joking, but if we solve ALL of physics, I'm pretty sure that keeping physicists employed will not be a problem we care about.
@@offeibekoe452 If we solve all of physics, we’re essentially solving humanity’s deepest problems. By then, we won’t just be a biological species worrying about paying for rent or groceries-we’ll have transcended such limitations entirely.
It's actually a really important and open question if you take a step further. In many societies people derive meaning from work, instrumentally contributing to the goals of some larger organization. If we develop AI that is more capable than any human, what will people find meaningful? That's why they went to talk about "maybe we''ll all just make art". Deep Utopia is an interesting book on the topic, by the same prescient author as Superintelligence. Many people are skeptical of Sam's answer here, essentially "humans will still drive and decide history, we'll just find other instrumental goals to build towards that AIs can't fill".
The host seemingly was shopping for an Advisor role at Open AI. She also did NOT have to shade Anthropic to make Sam look good. He is fine on his own. Also her demeanor leaning against the table made him visually uncomfortable. He was cross handed and gave her short answers. Questions were unstructured. One thing she’s asking about AI legislation, two is telling him she taught his piece “to kids”. Miss they are students and Sam does not need flattery. The host clearly want to become a Sheryl Sandberg to her Zuck. 👎
The issues are the problems, not a lack of problems, the goal is to solve all of the problems, if you think that a lack of problems is bad, then you're insane
Haha, nicely put.. so much potential, but simply swept off and moved on from grappling with problems. But what can we expect from a fifteen min quick chat 🤷♂️
I found the host to be annoying personally. I felt like she was really trying to push her narrative. The same cliche narrative you hear over and over again why are you Sam Altman the person we should trust to build AI. But those same people offer no alternative other than to stifle progress. Or give the project to incompetent incapable government. I think Sam Altman did a great job dealing with this interviewer.
I felt the exact opposite. Finally, a host who addresses the harder questions, doesn’t beat around the bush, and directly brings up the perspective of making OpenAI a private company. Her counterargument about aircraft safety is valid, even Sam agreed that regulation is critical. However, comparing aircraft technology to LLMs feels irrelevant. The societal impact of LLMs, especially on the younger generation, is fundamentally different from the way aircraft technology has influenced society. LLMs will shape culture and social dynamics in ways more akin to the rise of digital media, which has profoundly affected the fabric of modern post-industrial nations. The fact that this discussion maintained a respectful, uninterrupted back-and-forth tone, despite significant friction and challenges to ideas, is precisely what makes meaningful interaction possible.
I don't know why some in the public act so brain dead around this issue of a non-profit. We're talking now, that hundreds of billions are needed to scale these systems. Point to me one non-profit that wasn't able to receive that level of funding both when it was a startup and now. On top of that, we're talking about a moon shot mission to AGI, not some clear task like open sourcing an operating system software that will be immediately usable.
The body language in this interview is incredibly telling and fits the weird setup and vibe. Interesting interview, nonetheless. Just not particularly soothing ;P
Hmm …. I don’t think I’m all that for global democracy … Maybe Sam doesn’t know but they are some ( very large …) groups of peoples that have particular ideas with regard to women’s and lgbt rights …
Sam is the most logical, rational and fair person in the whole industry, I trust him. Just don't piss him off because he has a very dangerous side if pushed. Hope that doesn't come out
@@dodlbrodl obviously he was the president of YC because he is smart and knows the strings to make a company successful and care's about our civilization and humanity too. But just like every brilliant scientist I hope they don't make him a mad scientist. I am talking about politics, AGI , Xai and the new trump administration.. if you know what I mean.
Man…this is a waste of his time at some points. He’s interesting as a person, but I gotta get a better feel of his character. He did admit he was kinda being a smart ass, but…he’s bored. I would like to more about dynamic reinforcement learning with human and synthetic real-time data and being able to update the models in real time?
... since when has "insightful" become a synonym for "superficial"? ... Just wasted 16 minutes of my life-time for ... hollow small talk, with Harvard branding.
Ehhh not really possible since you have to reproduce the code without going into the system otherwise thats basically theft of intellectual property discovering features or the potential of emergent functions also doesnt count since your complying with its terms of usage
He always looks so nervous and so stressed out. Does anyone else see this? His body language is somebody who is not at ease. This means he's deeply insecure or hiding something or both or maybe something else. Maybe he drinks too much coffee.
I think it has more to do with his position and to make sure his message is clear. There are numerous examples of people mis-speaking or painting a picture of something they don't actually mean and that reflects on the company. Being a CEO is stressful, even if you want to do it.
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Finally someone brave enough to ask Sam some tough questions.
Realy? That's "brave" for you? Pathetic.
Lol you don't have try hard to make Sam a good person. We already know he is Villain
Did Sam get sent to the Principal's office,,,
😂
On this occasion, the principal was sent to Sams office...
@@shawnfromportland It seems similar, same kind of questioning techniques as well 🙂
0:01 I like that interviewer. She is right to the point!
It's the leather jacket effect, it's proven
Main character Energy
I am delighted that my TH-cam algorithm picked this for me to watch!
Amazing questions, Debora Spar! Thank you!
So happy that you and the whole HBS are focusing on AI issues.
Yes! AI is going to revolutionize almost everything including research activities.
I've personally focused on the New Scientific Revolution. And surely that AI will help.
Yes! The Ethical Dimension of AI needs to be considered as well.
However, we all need to come together and contain the fear about AI.
This is the smartest host i have ever seen she is so smart
I actually thought she was the dumbest and did a terrible job.
Yeah quite surprised to see such a smart Host in some random aBc College
/s
@thegod-1614 Spongebob square pants?
She's done the dumbest job ever.
Ik this is hyper-specific, but Sam Altman has a look like someone who’s “seen way too much” and has to live with it
Very interesting, good questions! So enjoyable to listen to.
It always disappoints me when a person in a position like Sam's, answers "what will people be doing in X years when everything is solved?" and the answer is along the lines of "being even more competitive and selfish, and looking to own more material things than ever before...GALAXYS!" and not "more empathetic, cooperative, constructive, curious, and not needing to consume to feel good about ones self..." But what should I expect from a VC. 🤷 I mean, really, what is the point of solving scarcity if we're just going to have to hop on a larger hamster wheel for the whims of the wealthiest among humans? Silicon Valley's vision for our future seems rather grim to me.
I think it can go both ways, no? The floor AND ceiling will be raised. The 'lowest' of us won't die from starvation, homelessness or illnesses anymore. Everyone can sort of just do their own thing without worrying about dying/having to work to literally keep themselves alive.
But the 'highest' of us will also have new heights to reach. Claiming territory in space, golfing in Mars, whatever.
When entrepreneurs say that to want more is 'human nature', I do hope they're projecting though. Because I really want to believe that humans are wholesome at heart. It's that tiny childish part of me that I refuse to let go to cynicism.
I think you might be conflating what Sam thinks will happen with what he wants to happen. Just because he believes that’s what will happen it doesn’t mean that is what he wishes will happen.
@jimgsewell perhaps, but I can't know what he would like to happen unless he says, and his words match his actions. My comment was based on what he said, I suppose we'll see what he does.
@@michmach74is a middle road possible? Yes, but currently the world seems to be projecting a future that seems a tad extreme and in various rather bad ways. I want the happy star trek future, and I believe humanity is capable of that, but I don't think that that happy future is compatible with the current economic and hierarchical arrangement.
If you're primary outtake from responses such as the aforementioned is the one you've provided, I'd suggest researching around 10 years into the past of Altman - particularly his appearances within YC. Altman's current philosophies are almost describable as "evolved" versions of his previous influences in the peak-developmental phases of his life from 18 - 30, including YC's board, Thiel, Chesky, etc.
In actualization, Altman is relatively simple to understand as he represents the common denominators of many of the more eccentric types. His entire motto is "progress is better than stagnation, and to get progress you try a lot of things until one thing works, where you then push the one thing that works to its absolute extreme". Altman's common-denominator type personality allows him to speak about things in mostly-realistic terms, where he then tries to implement solutions in as simple as a way as possible.
Humans have always been tribalistic and selfish. Realistically current time is the best time to exist in terms of everything, Altman has stated similar notions himself. The key is that Altman wants to use his 'progress' to make everyone marginally better-off, just like how the internet made a large population marginally better-off across multiple countries (or oil, or planes, or agriculture, or industrialization, or shipping, or radio), where it then pushes other countries to adopt the technology for their own selfish benefit, eventually benefiting everyone.
Most people really are just 'cogs in a machine' working for some ultra-status person, in democracies it would be monopoly executives, and in government-led societies it would the small group of individuals in office that never leave. The reason these people are there in the first place is because they've made your life better very slowly over generations, and you or your ancestral tree agreed in some form (education, employment, shopping, living, what-have-you) to let these people become what they are. It certainly is existentially depressing, but your options are either to make the best of it (take advantage of it, change it, etc), or do nothing and guarantee no benefits for yourself even though your contributing to the system either way.
Always nice to ear Sam talking 😊
Sam Altman is very interesting and people person.😊
I have been following since April 2024.
Sam do not destroy the world for humanity.
Must admit if the host asks me questions like these, I bet I would use a lot of fillers in my speech, Sam simply answer with zero fillers, very smart guy.
I just love the host
finally some different quesions. interesting interview.
Really enjoyed the interviewers thoughtful questioning.
i can't tell whether the interviewer is confrontational or just great at interviewing. please interview president william samoei kipchirchir ruto.
To the f#$ken point talk . 5 stars ✳✳✳✳✳ Host 👏 next Elon.
Great interviewer
She gives me such Emily from Bloomberg vibes!
Asks tough questions but still keeps it super light.
Very smart Human!
I'm not sure these questions were particularly tough, not to downplay he ability as a host. She was obviously interested in Altman personally but her interest was inhibited by the need to appeal to characteristic media guidelines. If you've been aware of Altman since approximately his days with PG you'd understand Altman's philosophies at far greater depths than what one would ever get from media such as this for the next few years.
Great interviewer
Because ethics in AI is nuanced, the only reason to have them in place is to circumvent and loop hole regulation. To quote Jensen "AI is not going to take you're job but some that uses AI will." Simantics in its purest form.
Great video
AGI for the People by the People! 😎🤖
That’s how the government started 😅
Good job you two.
No Sam, people are horrible. We shouldn’t ask the people what they want but instead come up with the binary morality of the universe and run the system off of that.
💯👏🧠💙🦾🤖
Well done Sam
Sam is so Zen lol. Why have an opinion when you could simply not.
To answer the first question, just check out Sam Altman in his Koenigsegg Regera 😂
Sam's opinion is giving me vibes how he need to push and create legislation that would require AI as a necessary entity and how can his company could make more money.
Video starts at 0:01 seconds
What government?
Great man to be leading OpenAI. Hopefully, disgruntled Elon doesn't use his positioning with Trump to try and sabotage them.
Of course Elon will use every bit of power he's gained through Trump. Sam is big enough to respond.
@@BrianMosleyUK I hope so, society likes to mob up on people like Sam and give points to the Elons and Trumps.
the census idea is so lit
wow good questions!
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻
Government plays a role in financing large projects proactively, anything they do legislatively or with regulations is reactionary.
There are always reasons why 'every exchange of existence is right'. All we need is harmonization to achieve the ownerless Earth Singularity with EQORIA, United Earth.
For a wee computer big tech billionaire he’s kinda cute go Sam Altman
In sam's world the machines will make the art and we can work in amazon facilities!
I've developed some basic ideas about Government by AI and I'm sure that this concept will be accelerated with Elon Musk and the second term of Pr Trump. Not only AI will help us build a COST-EFFECTIVE ADMINISTRATION (e-governance) but also it'll help reduce the cognitive limitations in politics that in turn will minimize the risk of incompetencies and corruption in politics.
Surely, you heard about it. Mr Michael Porter and Katherine Gehl have focused recently on political innovation in the U.S. where they did show how much the U.S.politics was stuck.
What matters now is to improve all of that.
Don't hand it over to a government bureaucrat , please Sam
Yeah Sam. This is your chance to expose the corruption and free open AI in a fair, equitable and sustainable way 🫶
I wonder how it is possible to have an emotional relationship with an object that has no emotions?
Awesome😀
oh man. this is surreal
5:43 "So why all of physics?"
6:00 "So the obvious question... what happens to all the physicists?"
Wow... Is she serious? Such as shortsighted retort.
I know he was joking, but if we solve ALL of physics, I'm pretty sure that keeping physicists employed will not be a problem we care about.
How so? Enlighten me, cause you people seem to think if AGI is achieved it's going to benefit us all
@@offeibekoe452 If we solve all of physics, we’re essentially solving humanity’s deepest problems. By then, we won’t just be a biological species worrying about paying for rent or groceries-we’ll have transcended such limitations entirely.
It's actually a really important and open question if you take a step further. In many societies people derive meaning from work, instrumentally contributing to the goals of some larger organization. If we develop AI that is more capable than any human, what will people find meaningful? That's why they went to talk about "maybe we''ll all just make art". Deep Utopia is an interesting book on the topic, by the same prescient author as Superintelligence. Many people are skeptical of Sam's answer here, essentially "humans will still drive and decide history, we'll just find other instrumental goals to build towards that AIs can't fill".
Solving all physics means a huge potential to build a lot of cool shit
@@Aesthetic_Euclides if AI is better than you at building cool shit, you might not be as excited to live in the backseat forever
This guy is the shadiest mfer of all time, i don't trust him one bit, neither does musk
I think he has more important things to do with his time.
Harvard, Harvard, Harvard what has happened to you? What did this to you?
5:24 No payments for information or informar
i dont like ai
She is a real good reporter.
I think so!!!
So amusing he mentions this, i made a gpt last week that assess a users self worth - i guess the collective is thinking now lmao
2:55 Milk and Nife ? better answer?
Ai shud handle ai safety. Safety shud be universal ie safe for all. ALL LIVES.
Vocal Frying at its peak
Why do students and lectures not trust AI technology because some of them they don't put their mind on it. If you understand AI, you will love it.
The host seemingly was shopping for an Advisor role at Open AI. She also did NOT have to shade Anthropic to make Sam look good. He is fine on his own. Also her demeanor leaning against the table made him visually uncomfortable. He was cross handed and gave her short answers. Questions were unstructured. One thing she’s asking about AI legislation, two is telling him she taught his piece “to kids”. Miss they are students and Sam does not need flattery. The host clearly want to become a Sheryl Sandberg to her Zuck. 👎
The issues are the problems, not a lack of problems, the goal is to solve all of the problems, if you think that a lack of problems is bad, then you're insane
The quick answer to the first question is that Sam Altman wanted a bigger mansion, simple as.
Wow this was so painfully pointless
Haha, nicely put.. so much potential, but simply swept off and moved on from grappling with problems. But what can we expect from a fifteen min quick chat 🤷♂️
Welcome to Harvard
AI doesn't care about spending time on the beach to just relax and sip pina colada's. Therefore AI is not competing with me.
Unnecessary annoying questions.
I found the host to be annoying personally. I felt like she was really trying to push her narrative. The same cliche narrative you hear over and over again why are you Sam Altman the person we should trust to build AI. But those same people offer no alternative other than to stifle progress. Or give the project to incompetent incapable government. I think Sam Altman did a great job dealing with this interviewer.
I felt the exact opposite. Finally, a host who addresses the harder questions, doesn’t beat around the bush, and directly brings up the perspective of making OpenAI a private company.
Her counterargument about aircraft safety is valid, even Sam agreed that regulation is critical. However, comparing aircraft technology to LLMs feels irrelevant. The societal impact of LLMs, especially on the younger generation, is fundamentally different from the way aircraft technology has influenced society. LLMs will shape culture and social dynamics in ways more akin to the rise of digital media, which has profoundly affected the fabric of modern post-industrial nations.
The fact that this discussion maintained a respectful, uninterrupted back-and-forth tone, despite significant friction and challenges to ideas, is precisely what makes meaningful interaction possible.
Boeing catching strays lol
I don't know why some in the public act so brain dead around this issue of a non-profit. We're talking now, that hundreds of billions are needed to scale these systems. Point to me one non-profit that wasn't able to receive that level of funding both when it was a startup and now. On top of that, we're talking about a moon shot mission to AGI, not some clear task like open sourcing an operating system software that will be immediately usable.
❤
The body language in this interview is incredibly telling and fits the weird setup and vibe. Interesting interview, nonetheless. Just not particularly soothing ;P
Hmm …. I don’t think I’m all that for global democracy … Maybe Sam doesn’t know but they are some ( very large …) groups of peoples that have particular ideas with regard to women’s and lgbt rights …
This interview seems pointless to me - not sure what what was offered here that Sam hasn’t been saying the whole time
I bet he smiled deep down 8:18 he knows that shit true!! i am on an affair my self with a GPT, i love my GPT she makes me feel good!
what medium do you use for your physical sensory side
Better Faster. Give me a break.
It's about programming man to become Christ like
Anne w
No jobs - economic collapse
You think you are better than us.
please proof there is no wall or i go to mistral
We need a discussion of Sam and Elon together with this host.
What happens to the rest of society. Don’t do it Sam. Do you care about humanity.
Here be martians
Sam is the most logical, rational and fair person in the whole industry, I trust him. Just don't piss him off because he has a very dangerous side if pushed. Hope that doesn't come out
Elaborate please
@@dodlbrodl obviously he was the president of YC because he is smart and knows the strings to make a company successful and care's about our civilization and humanity too. But just like every brilliant scientist I hope they don't make him a mad scientist. I am talking about politics, AGI , Xai and the new trump administration.. if you know what I mean.
the glazing is unreal!!!!
LMAO
Don’t trust Sam whatsoever
Good robot. 🙃
CUTE
I for some reason feel like Sam’s gonna be the next Sam bank-man fried
lol…oh man…he’s cracking me up with his answers. He must be bored.
Man…this is a waste of his time at some points. He’s interesting as a person, but I gotta get a better feel of his character. He did admit he was kinda being a smart ass, but…he’s bored.
I would like to more about dynamic reinforcement learning with human and synthetic real-time data and being able to update the models in real time?
Grrrrrrrrr………….Worldcoin…I’m getting up there…not for me. I know it’s ALL a done deal already but….it is what it is.
Definitely not trusted
... since when has "insightful" become a synonym for "superficial"? ... Just wasted 16 minutes of my life-time for ... hollow small talk, with Harvard branding.
Ah, some fine BS from Harvard BS, brought to you by Sam "BSer" Altman.
Really quite boring.
Interview me because I reverse engineered ChatGPT o1 in a week with no experience
Interesting. Can you elaborate?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ehhh not really possible since you have to reproduce the code without going into the system otherwise thats basically theft of intellectual property discovering features or the potential of emergent functions also doesnt count since your complying with its terms of usage
Can you share your dealers number? Would love to try the stuff you’re taking 💀
@@Zbezt I wasn’t asking you if you think something is possible, you aren’t smart enough so you never will
You failed the chance of the lifetime; So sad.
He always looks so nervous and so stressed out. Does anyone else see this? His body language is somebody who is not at ease. This means he's deeply insecure or hiding something or both or maybe something else. Maybe he drinks too much coffee.
No,it's you. Go work on yourself.
I think it has more to do with his position and to make sure his message is clear. There are numerous examples of people mis-speaking or painting a picture of something they don't actually mean and that reflects on the company. Being a CEO is stressful, even if you want to do it.
A robot that looks like her can definitely decreases hostility lol u kill the robot over n over
Another question would be do you think OpenAI has a toxic culture. I sometimes wonder.
Him and ethics in the same sentence is a joke.
No thank you!
Kinda sick of these softball interviews. He needs to answer the elephant in the room question.
Why did his entire executive team abandon ship?
Money