Cyberfrog: The Book Comicsgate Wants Me to Hate
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- Cyberfrog: The Book Comicsgate Wants Me to Hate
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Art by Just Some Guy
Original trailer concept: Bleach Opening 01
Music: "Enkon Hakuchuumu" by Sakagami Souichi - Copyright (C) 2015 Trial & Error/Sakagami Souichi All rights reserved.
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I gave refunds to everyone who asked up until September. Then we were preparing for fulfillment. I don’t know where the rumor that I didn’t refund people came from. It isn’t true. I refunded about 30 people.
Okay. It's just another thing I've heard, so I took it at face value. I also worked customer service, so I've seen both sides of this.
@@JustSomeGuy People are lying about this comic book like they're in denial over it. It's crazy. Thanks for the great video.
@@ComicArtistProSecrets Dear EVJ: I have followed you for a long time. Don't let the negativity pull you under. I used to be in the public eye and when everyone was not totally pleased with me (or attacked me) I just told them to GTH. Jump in a lake...take a hike...fight a pit bull terrier who is in a bad mood. That fixes everything.
Sorry about mistyping EVS. My own initals are EMS, by the way.
@@ComicArtistProSecrets One thing I can attest to first hand about Ethan is that he can take HONEST criticism like the best of them & doesn't shy away from it if it is factually legitimate. On the flipside, if the accusation is false or he feels he is being misrepresented he will absolutely, in no uncertain terms, inform anyone making such claims of the fact that there is bullshittery at play & lay out exactly what the truth is or how the situation appears to have been misrepresented according to his own personal perspective.
He also doesn't deflect the truth & will straight up own a mistake or oversight if it is pointed out to him. So for anyone who might see this review or read these comments in the future, I can tell you with a clear conscience that my own personal experience with Ethan Van Sciver informs me that IF he had done what Just Some Guy had himself seen multiple sources passing around on twitter & had, in fact, withheld refunds from multiple individuals who had requested one during the extensively long & wide open timeframe when such an option was available to them as was suggested in this video before the above conversation took place, I believe wholeheartedly that he would have manned up & admitted it regardless of any possibility of potential backlash. That's just the kind of guy he is.
What I DID notice, though, were several instances once orders were locked in & refunds were no longer available through the official IndieGoGo website, & as proofs were starting to arrive & the fulfillment process was beginning to get underway, where several long time Cybefrog backers & Ex/Anti ComicsGaters suddenly decided that they'd waited long enough for their books & began to beseige EVS wiith a neverending public tirade of demands for refunds. In fact I believe a small number of them may have even been successful at first in getting theirs because Ethan had made a point of letting us all know that a few more chromium issues were going to be available than he'd anticipated after fulfillment was complete DUE SPECIFICALLY TO A SUDDEN RUN OF LAST MINUTE REFUNDS, after which he understandably must have chosen to cut people off as word spread and more & more Support Trolls started jumping on the bandwagon.
In fact, after witnessing their Post Campaign Close / Pre-Fulfillment Refund Tactic being used to such great success upon Ethan & a few others, Jon Malin wisely opted to announce in advance & ultimately place a "NO REFUNDS" disclaimer on his latest campaign near its end in an attempt to minimize this behavior.
Now he is regularly roasted for doing THAT & is still labelled as someone who dodges legitimate refund requests, so clearly no one is ever going to be able to win with these snakes. They give their support only with the intent to weaponize it later in hopes of disrupting the business & success of each campaign they attack & further damaging the reputation of ComicsGate & any creative talent who would dare attempt to sell their books using the #ComicsGate hashtag &/or Ethan's assistance.
It's total bullshit. Take any criticism you hear with a grain of salt. There's always a chance that a rumor may be accurate, but whenever pertinent, ask for proof. Rarely will there be anything of merit available to be shown. It's typically based solely on heresay & someone else's insistance of its accuracy. Nothing more.
Always Proceed with Caution, in Comics & in Life. 😏 Do YOUR OWN Due Diligence, Use YOUR OWN Judgement & Never Base Your Choices on SOMEONE ELSE'S UNVERIFIED TESTIMONY.
Not Even MINE.
Fair critique from somebody who's worked in the medium, knows how the back end of these things work, and understands how to structure and execute a story. I hope Ethan sees this and incorporates it for his next comic.
From the critiques it soubds like his biggest problem is structure, lacking a clear beginnibg, middle and end. That's unfortunately a common weakness of modern popular writing.
@@@wk3820 You gotta practice that stuff. Ethan will keep working on it I'm sure.
Anybody would be damn lucky to have a level-headed rational person like you review their comic, Ethan better br paying attention and take your praise and (more importantly) criticism to heart 😉
I'm pretty sure he does. EVS had JSG on his stream one time, and seemed genuinely excited to actually get to sit down and talk with JSG.
@@allamericanslacker2378 Which tells us more about the person, willing to excel at their craft by taking criticism and expanding off it. Those that ignore their critics end up having none by the end, ignore your consumer base and you have no consumers that will sustain your business. Many in the comics industry are more interested in getting paid then creating something, they want to send a message... that nobody cares about, then expect to get back pats for it. The whole point of the critics job is to try to find the flaws so a creator will amend their craft to excellence. When critics become talking points for a narrative that has NOTHING to do with the art, you are no longer a critic, you're a propagandist.
yeah ethan has made reference to JSG many times, and appears to respect his perspective. Ethan has already heard this exact criticism about his book, and he took it fine. Next book will be better im sure, because he'll take the critiques of people he respects, and the rough exposition part is done now, so the next chapter will be unencumbered
Great review
Ethan is primarily an artist, not a writer. He hasn't written Cyberfrog in a little under 20 years at this point, hence why the main flaws with the comic are in the writing and pacing, not the art. With a little luck, Reignbow Brute will help him iron those kinks out in time for him to write Rekt Earth (which I am looking forward to.)
@Eureka Which is why I hope he watches this video and takes JSG's criticism to heart.
I read the original Cyberfrog. It's bad but enjoyable, like a shitty B movie.
*Rekt Planet
Even if it's bad writing, it's still better than what Marvel/DC puts out these days.
It's like a 90s TV show that they just decided to bring back.
That was kind of what he promised all along. Whatever the negatives of the book, it delivered exactly what it promised to creatively. This is the best 90's style book about a 90's character written and drawn by Ethan that anyone could expect to get. If anyone's expectations were higher than that, maybe they were not familiar with Ethan's work going in.
Exactly.
@@Jim-Tuner or at least pay attention to what Ethan says about the book. He warned us repeatedly that this he's not an experienced writer and this book would end abruptly. I've been a fan of Ethan's work since 2011 when a friend turned me on to his Green Lantern run with Geoff Johns, and i bought this book on the strength of his artwork
If only we all had the maturity to acknowledge when we are biased before offering up a review.
My bias is in favor of good art. I've always been an art first guy. I can enjoy a garbage story if i've got great artwork to stare at, but i will skip the greatest story in the world if the art isn't up to my expectation, or doesn;t at least pique my interest.
I think the primary problem here is Twitter -- a combination of the people it attracts, and also how it shapes people. Either way it focuses much of the cancer conveniently in one place, to subsequently avoid.
But, but, that would be like admitting that the end doesn't justify the means. Didn't you read Rules for Radicals or Mein Kampf?
Zed Not Zee tbh yes
No dog in this fight, but the book looks great and I hate bullies. Thank you.
Cyberfrog, to me, is a happy throwback to a time when Indie comics were everywhere and did EVERYTHING they wanted. Unless the book it demonstratively bad, no one can make me hate it.
Yes, I remember the 1990s. Cyberfrog was in the middle of the mutant martial arts animal trend. Sadly, I did not have easy access to a comic book store and extra money to throw at this book. I do now.
I honestly was spellbound. It's not flawless, but I wanted more immediately.
Actually I wouldn't find that much disagreement between your take and Just Some Guy's. Where the difference lies is point of view. He is reviewing Blood Honey critically and objectively as a seasoned colleague of Van Sciver. If he says something is "Okay," I take his comment as coming from an editor's point of view, as if to say "approved for publication" and that it's sufficient to call professional work. Professional work is what us less talented amateurs or total non-artists (like me) would call "really good work." On the other hand, where he heaps praise on the artwork detail, this is high praise indeed, considering the source.
The comment about kinetics appeared to be more advice to Van Sciver than complaint. Merely something he was able to articulate, as a fellow professional, that most of us mere mortals might see intuitively but not be quite able to put our collective fingers on.
Imagine Beethoven giving his opinion of Brahms' work. It would surely be more objective than that of a doting fan. Kinda gotta look at JSG's review in that light.
The range of points JSG offers here lends credibility to his commitment to objectivity and fairness, one of the things I greatly respect about his videos. In this review, he heaps praise to some aspects, says tells the author not to be a dick in others, and flames those who allow glaring ultetior motivations to affect their published opinions.
In sum, I found JSG's review to be the most credible, unbiased, insightful, and competent that I've seen. Despite the neutral tone of the review on balance, my take from it was that van Sciver did a good job, and deserved credit for delivering fairly on his promises, albeit a bit late, and generally accomplishing what he set put to do. Given that Van Sciver's overarching goal was to show that the small independent publisher David really can prevail against the Woke Marvel/DC oligopoly Goliath, he succeeded in that goal.
Im waiting for my copy to judge the book for myself however, this is one of the most honest reviews about a comic book I have seen. Great work, keep it honest!
I am a scenic artist and well into my 50's yet television and films form much of my pop culture background so I was delighted to see and listen to your review of Ethan's work. I enjoyed your critic of the book and your deep understanding of creating a quality product. Thank you, it was worth my time and that is why I subscribe to your chanel.
I stopped when you got to Part 2 since I haven't gotten the book and that's all new material to me. Like I said on Twitter, I can rely on you for giving your honest opinions, and I appreciate that. Thanks for dropping truth bombs all over the place. I'll hit up the rest of your review when I get the book.
Lol hey Sister. Hope you'll enjoy. Got my team up copy bout a week ago (chromiums are being signed & shipped out nownI think). I enjoyed it and jsg's critique is very fair. You travel in fun circles. Hope you get your copy soon and you avoid spoilers!
@@ninjapirate47 LOL! You remembered! :D Thanks for the kind words, and I should get it soon. I got the rare Salamandroid copy so mine should be creeping along any day now.
@@lghtngfan yeah I'm still waiting on my sal copy too. Good choice! Thank you for the kind words in return. Had a shit day & you've cheered me right up. All the best! ; )
@@ninjapirate47 i was part of the first campaign but im looking forward to getting my copy sometime soon. Comics gate has made me excited about comics again.
@@GodOfPlague me too gop! Sure it'll arrive soon! Enjoy.
It reminds me of the early days of Image. Famous artists tried to write their own stories with mixed results, but it didn't keep Image from succeeding in those early issues. Their genuine enthusiasm and over-the-top art largely made up for the very real writing problems in the books, and the same will be true here. Often a weakly-written comic that is a labor of love is more engaging than an expertly-written comic just thrown together to meet a monthly deadline for the big two. It matters when a creator puts himself into the work.
This is one of the reasons I enjoy your channel so damn much. I'm not getting anything but an honest opinion without the innate bias that can come from knowing someone or being friends with them. Plus, you give good constructive criticism and feedback that would be quite useful in the future, if he watches your video. (which I hope he does)
You should create an alternate account called @Just Some Jedi.
endless[3cho] I’m sorry, I’m not understanding. What is the purpose of your suggestion for him to make an alternate account? He already has this account.
I got my copy and enjoyed it. I would say all your criticisms were on point. Overall I enjoyed the book and will be onboard for the next one.
@Monte Cristo print run is back from the printer, stretch goals get ordered today. Probably will begin shipping in less than 2 weeks.
@Monte Cristo I'm glad you understand!
@Monte Cristo Hey, thos schtick is all mine. Thank you for your support!
Take note, this was a real review. Quite refreshing.
One of the best ways I found to read CyberFrog, was one Act at a time. I gave 30mins or more between each one, just because I wanted to let it sink in. So I could engross myself in the artwork and the story, then let it sit, as if each individual act was a separate single floppy comic.
Let’s be real, this was supposed to be a comic book industry level book and it had bland writing and great art. So, it’s actually slightly above industry standards.
Totally disagree, I thought it was well written, the pacing at the end jumped a little bit, I still thought it was a fun ride. Just some Guy is correct, the end needed more context. That's my only critique.
So basically a run of the mill 90s comic?..
black R0n1n I know this reply is from several months ago, but I’m gonna put my two cents in and say that I find the second point about good art carrying bad writing debatable imo.
Dang dude got me subscribed due to that Star Wars line. Slick as ice my guy.
He just needed an editor's eye. Next set, he should use Kat Rocha or Professor Geek to help him with the story editing.
You are literally my favorite TH-camr at this point. Thank you for having integrity.
Oh yeah the art is bad in EVS book, and yet everyone at Marvel is fine with amateur artwork or using 3D processed models
Or Squirrel Girl.....even worse than 3D models.
They don't even use models they try and trace older art but add their own details that ruin the art.
@@WastelandSeven i don't even mind the squirrel girl art really. It would be fine for a disney book, or any of those licensed cartoon books. Not the right look for a Marvel superhero comic though. Even if you want to sell squirrel girl to kids, use the cutesy tumblr style they've used on Captain Marvel books before, the wonky cartoon network look just doesn't fit
Why do you guys continue to spread false information? Have you read of House of X/Powers Of X? Immortal Hulk? Any of Marvel's main books at all? There's serious problems in the comic industry right now but it also doesn't help that you guys keep lying.
@@tylove7992 well the 3d model shortcut that guy mentioned is real. And the is a lot of sub par work coming from marvel. Like I said, I don't mind the style presented in squirrel girl, I just don't think it's a good fit for superhero books. But I'm buying Absolute Carnage and the artwork is awesome. When the core series is wrapped up, I might start collecting the tie ins too. Symbiotes were a hot commodity when I got into comics, so I'm a sucker for this carnage event
Take this to heart #ComicsGate
Learn from this & be better
Just Some Guy here embodies the spirit of GamerGate's original objective applied to comics
You can have your passion but don't let it turn you a petty sperg hate/fan
Passion above ideology
But principles over passion
Learn of consistency & integrity, as he did when he read titles like "the true believer"
You won't win this conflict unless you embody this aspect
It's times like this that people show their true colours. People acting like this were never CG imo. I don't like Mike, Doug or any of the ex-CG creators but I don't have any ill will against them and would never hate on their work whether I bought it or not because they all have proved themselves as good creators.
Even before Mike left CG I wasn't really a fan of him as a person but I thought his art in Injusice was good and I like sharks so I backed his Meg book. If that was the same people trying to bring EVS down they would be trying to refund but I thought that was wrong and still believe it will be a good product but I will never back him again.
@@MrDayday112 It's amazing how often situations like these repeat themselves
This happened in GamerGate as well
& it is mostly compromised of conservatives who want to attack blindly
& socio liberals who can't handle the state of afairs, weaker to offense than dedicated to freedom
The trick is to keep a cool head & regardless of your tastes follow the ethical code of consistent integrity
To do this requires volumes of thought available to you in books or even just GamerGate's originally set ethical standards
Those who don't follow them always without fail, ended up either proving themselves to be biased unreliable hypocrites or self absorbed self righteous vengeful pariahs
@Corvo@AZ you missed the point
Aren't the detractors just entryist agents from the alphabet communist people?
@@battleofwills7189 no
granted 1 was, perhaps more, it's a tactic some use yes but that wasn't the topic or point JSG was tryng to pass on
There were pages in Blood Honey that made my pupils widen, the art was so stunning. I like the story. It's interesting. It is so interesting that when it ended, I said "What?!" I want to read more. I want the next issue. That's a thumbs up.
I definitely felt hungry for more story. The whole book felt like a lead in or setup for something coming up and that honestly disappointed me. The artwork, however, was some of the most beautiful I've ever seen. Each frame had so much detail that I found myself staring at the same image for minutes at a time getting lost in all the intricacies. No buyer's remorse at all. In the future I'm sure EVS will schedule his time better and learn from his experiences on this book. Anyone who followed the drama from his "critics" knew that once their "where's the book, Ethan?" trope was no longer valid that they would come up with some other line to throw around. The only surprising thing is the voices that have joined in.
Personally, I put the issues Ethan has had largely down to him going through non-traditional means of getting the book to customers, and the learning curve associated with doing so. I expect that he'll get better with timeliness and whatever else with time... Though as you mentioned, he also increased the page count massively, so it's understandably late. That said, in the future, he needs to adhere to the announced schedule, which I'm sure he will. I'm not prepared to complain when we're talking about a book that people actually want as opposed to the on-time delivery of dreck to comic shops that no one is buying.
Even with the increased page count, its unreasonably late. You can see by the project history when he started and when he finished the art. If you look at his art productivity, pages divided by time, its clear he was doing something other than drawing for most of that project. But being fair, working for yourself is also a learning experience. Alot of people have an adjustment to make the first time they don't have a boss holding them accountable.
@@Jim-Tuner Fair point, but you also have to look at how many people complained versus those who haven't. Apparently, most customers were fine with waiting longer to get more pages for their money, while a few were vocal about his failure to deliver on schedule. Majority rules I guess.
There were multiple reasons his project was late. I'm not excusing him for it, but I think people should consider that this is his first time self publishing, and he had no idea how it worked when going into it. From what I remember of his streams, those covers were made in another country, and had to be shipped to him once they were made. He also expanded the book a couple times, and there were related things he was working on to go with it, like those trading cards he made. As far as I know, those weren't just clips of pictures from the comic itself, but were original works, so he had to take time to draw all those as well. It was also pushed back by people repeatedly asking him to reopen it on indiegogo, so they could purchase it as well. He was also complaining about pain in his drawing arm for a while, and that was bound to slow him down too.
Agreed
@@TJ347 You can have that attitude if all you want to sell to is a small cult-like group of people who are already fans of your work. But if you have bigger ambitions, being late isn't a good thing and he needs to do better.
It doesn't make him a bad person. Its just objectivity reality. Everyone has room to improve.
I consider myself CG. But I'm ignoring this stupid drama.
Thank you for being lvl headed in your review.
It's why I like to watch you
Same.
Cyberfrog is a good Book. The drawings are amazing and the quality is good. But the story leaves you blue balled as hell! Gimme part 2, now! 😀
Stuff like this is one of the reasons why I stopped using Twitter. Anyway, my copy of Cyberfrog arrived today and I like it a lot. I'm looking forward to the next one.
I have to say one of the things i like and respect about Zack is he refunded without question and checked his ego in at the door. He knew it just was not worth fighting about. Ethan does need to grow up a little and stop reacting to every little thing that he allows to annoy him. That is the point he allows them to annoy him.
In general, having a detach approach seems best. Every youtuber story about someone burning out seems to come from them engaging too much, especially the ones that want a fight.
@Eureka Zack's first book had many problems which he steadily ironed out with each story thence. He is a fine human. I hope EVJ can do this, too.
Exactly what needed to be said.
I reviewed the book, my conclusion was the liked the story wasn't entirely in love with it, I really like sal, and the art ALONE is worth the price.
Great review, I’m always impressed of your knowledge of the written story. I suck at it, so I always enjoy someone with that talent. Keep up the good work.
Hey there - I wonder if a lot of folks had some warped expectation of what CYBERFROG would be. As I noted in my review, I expected an updated 1990s comic idea with much better art. It's exactly what I figured it would be
I was waiting for this because I knew you wouldn't pull and punches and just give us a good honest opinion on the book, great review !
another great review. i do enjoy how you are able to look at the work for what it is and not what people want it to mean. still waiting on my copy and still looking forward to getting it, more so after this
Get a refund when refunds are open. That goes for everyone. Sell the book to reimburse yourself if you must. As far as your payment into someone's IndieGoGo, you're not entitled to have it refunded. You committed your support to that person's work. Once fulfillment has started, you cannot reasonably expect a refund.
Appealing to integrity in the grievance whores who would do that is an exercise in futility.
Last time I was this early, TH-cam fudges view count
I thought cyberfrog was a fun begining to what looks to be an interesting series. Not a masterpiece but not trash. The art has to be the highlight with it honestly being breathtaking in my opinion and the story is a solid opener for a hopefully epic story. My only grip is that it doesn't feel epic enough and I feel at this point it lacks a cirten quality in the story telling that other comics like jawbreakers and Requiem for the crazies have in the sense that they have this amazing potential for being honest master works if handled right if that makes sense. Like jawbreakers is good on multiple levels and can be looked at from multiple different angles and still be good and interesting same with Requiem of the crazies but I feel like cyber frog lacks that spark of potential I feel like with cyber frog you get what you get in a sense but with the other two you get what you get and so much more but I've got to remember that these are all the first bits of there respected stories and there's still a bit to go for all of them. So in conclusion cyber frog is a great (about a 4 or 5) on a scale of passable to spectacular
I think your review is very fair. I've got the team up variant and did notice the colors weren't as vibrant as the digital. The book itself is beautiful and seems like it'll be very durable; to withstand rereads and kids
Speculation here: likely all versions use the same paper to save on printing costs. It can all be done as one run rather than switch out different rolls and settings. Cost per would be reduced by doing it all together.
SciFi4Me ya that’s my thought, the team up cover was originally supposed to be square bound. I never saw anything saying otherwise. But the cost of adjusting the prints would have been pretty expensive so I get it. Just wish that he had put the updates into the campaign
It is cheaper otherwise you would have to pay for a setup and lose your price break. When you send it to the bindery they just switch out covers.
You mentioned The Crow, and the colors in it, so I just wanted to mention that the best way to watch that movie is in black and white.
12 dislikes, and 12 psychos on twitter (as zack would say)
This review perfectly captures my feelings on this book. Beautiful artwork, rough writing. But with the shaky start out of the way, the next book can go full steam ahead on fighting the wasps. Looking forward to next volume.
Looks better than the big two.
Most definitely.
You should have way more subs, man. Seriously, of all the comic reviewers, you have the most consistently calm, logical and relevant takes.
Keep up the good work, JSG.
Got my copy on Friday, The only criticism I have is the techy looking font coupled with the fact that the chromium cover makes the book keep trying to close made reading it a bit of a strain. That being said, I am by no means a comic veteran so your mileage my vary.
Worth the buy tho just for the visuals alone!
You and Ethan have reignited the comic book bug that I thought died a decade ago when all this sh*7 started to come down.
Thank you for your insight.
"Yea, that's not how this works." 😆😆😆 As for the paper, not only is it "like" magazine paper, it literally is magazine paper.
For a sec i thought it was toothless from how to train your dragon😂😂😭😂
Ethan would’ve had the book on time, if he spent less time on Twitter. I’m glad he finally got it out, but my god he used to spend a lot of time on Twitter.
With all the attacks on him and all the drama endangering his business, can you blame him?
Ya, there are a few sci-fi writers I follow that have the same problem. I notice that social media is important for advertisement, but so many just spend all of their time on it picking fights and they don't write the book. Twitter especially has this problem. You definitely see the worst (whether it be their morality or intelligence) of a person by skimming their twitter feed and they can't ever seem to stop. This is probably due to a large enough crowd cheering/egging them on.
Which is why it's better to have had someone he trusted handle the social media stuff and "marketing/exposure" while he focused on making the comic itself.
With comicsgate so full of TRAITORS, what other choice did he have. The treasonous SJWs and Vox Day supporters had to be driven from the community to keep it pure and hate free. Only by purity to Ethan's ideas can we save civilization and get good star wars movies.
@@AscendantStoic He trusted Mike, Edwin, Doug, Tim, JDA, Nerkish, etc. People keep revealing themself for who they really are later on. Who knows how much damage someone could have done with access to his twitter.
It feels like i've been waiting on this book for 3 years now lol.
"Twitter: the Mos Eisley of the Internet"
Great line, I'm surprised it didn't catch on
It's a shame to see all this infighting and false pride going around in the community.
"Amalgam Comics"
Dark Claw is still one of my favorites.
Always good to see someone be level headed and looking things with a more objective eye
Good work as always JSG
Great review, constructive criticism and summary.
It sounds like your biggest critique is that EVS would have been greatly served by having a writer to work with and do the plot together
Well said, as always JSG.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, only real difference being that I liked how it ended. I understand your criticism of it though, and you made a good comparison with the ESB/RotJ.
Also like you said, I love the interaction and relationship between Cyberfrog, Salamandroid and Heather. In my tweet to Ethan, I mentioned that was my favorite part of the whole thing.
One other thing that impressed me is, while the writing and pacing does definitely need some refinement, I thought it was good for Ethan's first job as a full book writer. (I may be mistaken, but he makes it sound like, other than the original Cyberfrog, he's been doing all art and basic character or story concepts for a long time.)
Again, great review, especially calling out the lying assholes, and I look forward to your next video!
All I want from my youtubers is consistency, thank you sir.
Fair assessment. How a review should be done to be honest. I look forward to getting my frog book.
Damn that man can draw. I'd give up my left wingnut for that kind of talent. Anyhow, great review!
Dude keep fighting for freedom of thought... We need you in the battle!! Thanks bro.
Amazing review and very well put. I have been waiting for your take on this for several weeks as always you always come out on top.
Dude gave two volumes in one trip that makes up for the time spent, I don't even own or follow this and I can see that. Enjoy your extra pages
Thanks for the review. Yours is one of the voices I trust and you putting the story out there, warts and all (no toad pun intended) is appreciated.
I recieved my copy a week ago and yes it isnt %100 perfect but it is leaps & bounds better than what the alternative (Marvel & DC) is shoveling out (💩) by comparison. One must take into consideration the fact that this comic (and other indy ventures like it) is done without the assistance of a big company & their money to vault these titles into higher stratas of excellence. This project was done by one Man & a small crew, which on its own make the comic an amazing achievement by itself. The quality of the book is amazing, no complaints there. The bonus gifts with the comic book (a CF bookmark, CF trading cards & a CF sticker) make the value I paid ($25/not including shipping) well worth the money. Ethan's attention to detail of the art & Kyle Ritter's wondrous sense of color make them the newest Artist/Inker duo to be reckoned with. My only complaint is the pacing of the story, which I feel will only get better as the CF saga countinues. Aside from the art, my favorite part of the comic book is the fact that there are no ads in the book to derail the immersion of the book itself. Ethan has undertaken a huge venture out of his comfort zone (with lots of hurdles throughout) & landed a hit, with room for more improvement. I am proud for him & will countinue to support ALL CAPS COMICS. Thank you JSG for your review, which was honest/fair/impartial. This is why I countinue to come back to your channel. 🙌 Countinued success to you as well my friend. 😊
Good Review. I have similar thoughts regarding the story. Part 3 felt like a Prologue for 'Rekt Planet' but it didn't bother me too much.
The SCHEDULE for the next one is the only issue I have.
The wailing about the Paper quality--well, that's mostly people looking desperately to find something to forward their CHOSEN narrative about Ethan.
It's meaningless to me.
The only note I'd make is that I know Ethan DID offer refunds to a point. I think he cut them off when the books went to print, and I don't blame him for that.
When I first hear about cyberfrog, I thought the idea was pretty stupid, but after seeing the art, I'm interested
I got mine over a week ago. Art and quality is great, story is a little bare bones as it's setting up the world and explaining a lot of things.
I read it yesterday (I got it a while ago but didn't have time until then) and I will say that it's very much the kind of writing you would expect from an 80s or 90s comic (in the best way possible) and the alien/sci-fi stuff felt very much like a good/great Green Lantern story. I liked the battle with the insect-based villains (love insect-based characters, for whatever reason).
The only thing I would have an issue with is that most of it is backstory and the rest is set up. Still, it's just the first part. I also kind of wish it had a spine so I could put it on my shelf but that is just me. :)
I think EVS said the interior pages were all printed together while the chromium covers were done somewhere else. That’s why the interior pages were the same no matter the cover.
Kyle Ritter seems to be the MVP here I remember some of the SJWs complaining that the line work was muddy and overdone... and thought "I'm pretty sure Ethan and Kyle have figured out how to make it work when colored"
I finally got my copy. I enjoyed it, although I wish it were longer. The quality was fine.
I'm GLAD Comicsgate (_o_)'s are triggered by it. That's one reason I bought it in the first place.
I'm glad the experiment continues. I'm just a comic tourist, but I'm pretty excited for fun stuff like this that unapologetically gives the fans what they want.
Refreshing to hear the objectivity. Haven't gotten mine yet. But I also don't have Twitter so I am still somewhat sane. Keep up the good content
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He extended the sale of the book for two extensions on the first listing, and then did like 4 variant covers on top of it. So much for the super limited comic he promised us.
I like the book, art, color all are awesome but I do agree the story ends rather abruptly.
Wow. Book looks amazing, but I couldn't expect less from Ethan. What surprised me was the colors, amazing as well
Another great video. I'm hoping to finally get my copy this weekend
Excellent review. I have the book (Team up Variant). I love the art. It is amazing. I agree the story isn't as strong as it could be and I wish there wasn't such a cliffhanger, but I will be getting Rek'd Planet when he releases it. :)
Wait, COMICSGATE wants you to hate it?
Art and Color are some of the best to me. Its getting my imagination going again. I expected the exposition at beginning EVS Actually put that online on the indiegogo i believe. I dont mind exposition dumps as long as it doesn't happen all the time. I didnt know Cyberfrog back then but im excited to see where this goes
Like Sith a lot of people love to act on their emotions and it's easy to spot and it makes one look weak and incapable of being taken seriously.
It is January 2020 and I still don’t have my book. Glad some of you did.
Since I don't do TH-cam videos or any of that stuff, I'll put up my quick Cyberfrog review here.
Good book, not great. Amazing art but JSG is spot on about the plot. Ended at a very bad spot and spent a little too much time in setup.
I'm invested enough to want the next book, but EVS needs to up his writing game.
I appreciate your honesty JSG
Mad respect 💯 for having a mind of your own.
I think some of the need for more information about the characters interactions will be filled in by the Ashcan that is still awaiting print. I'm one of the salty many who backed the tier with the primer ashcan that now has to wait a few extra weeks. . . I agree with Ya Boi though, your review videos are second to none, and I love to see your notifications, more of these, please. I think you're the only person that gives fair reviews to both CG work as well as mainstream work.
i like the concept and will be looking out for this book. the art work is amazing.
Once again, your commentary is articulate, balanced and admirable. Well done on an excellent review. I think Ethan would appreciate your honesty and even-handed observations.
I've heard reviews from you and Jon. From what I've heard it sounds like a good book for comic 1. A first book is never the greatest, it takes time to get into the flow of things. Thanks for the review.
It looks like a comic that should've been made in the 90s
It was, Ethan wrote the original story in the mid 90s I think. This is supposed to a throwback to that time.
That was his aim.
You also have to think about what you're going to draw. That takes times as well.
I had a break watching TH-cam for a awhile and am not on Twitter. Can anyone explain what on earth happened that has broken up people's friendships within Comics Gate?
Writing so a story really flows isn't as easy as people think. Hard to imagine EVS bringing in another voice though.
I have CyberFrog BloodHoney; it's great! I though it was colorful and interesting. The origin of Cyberfrog and Salamandroid at the beginning was well done, the enemy is an awesome new space bug. It was great! I also have a graded Vampirella #1 CyberFrog cover; love it! Can't wait for Rekt Planet and the Vengeance of Vampirella CyberFrog cover!
Every comic I've purchased and received from creators involved in the Comicsgate bunch has been great quality when it comes to the paper, binding, art, et cetera. The stories have varied from average to lotsa fun.
I own a copy and enjoyed it. There was just one lore inconsistency that's been bugging me. The Vypzz make honey from blood, yet "Rule 4" states that can't see you if you wear all red. Which makes no sense to me for them to not be able the color of their primary resource.
"Be dissatisfied. Don't be dishonest."
Fuck, bro. That's a good line.
How thick is paper supposed to be? They want construction paper?
Felt the same as you when I read it. It did feel like I fell into an ongoing story and it ended kind of abruptly. Fantastic artwork and quality.