In an ironic way even tho they tried to erase Lucy Grey from history she came back with both Katniss and the song she wrote. Katniss a girl from 12 became the Mockingjay a bird that Snow in the book HATED and the Hanging tree song became the anthem of the rebellion 65yrs later ❤🔥 in a way Lucy Grey got the last laugh and who knows might have outlived him
Nah fr. I fully believe she survived. I also just love to think of her living out in some cabin in the woods somewhere, an old woman, still singing songs from her youth, and then hearing that snow got taken down by someone called Katniss, who’s moniker is the mockingjay, and used her song while doing it? She would probably laugh her ass off.
@@rjcommentary4580 Same. I believe that Lucy Gray got away and managed to live outside the districts. Maybe she reached Canada or maybe she's right outside of 12. Perhaps the rest of the Covey found her. Who knows, but I don't believe Snow killed her.
@@rjcommentary4580to be fair though, in the books the “hanging tree” song wasn’t as prevalent. The footage of her singing it never aired like it did in the movie, therefore snow never heard her sing it and it didn’t become a rallying cry for the rebels. That was all just for the movie.
The book does not specifiy if Lucy Gray is dead or alive. It's a mystery, like her. The most logical sequel, which I am sure Lionsgate is pressing Suzanne Collins to write, is about Mags. Mags was the old lady in Catching Fire--Finnick's district partner. who walked into the poison fog She won the year after Lucy Gray when Snow was a Gamemaker.
I wonder what Suzanne can write about in Mag's games. I would like to see what goes on in the Capitol through the perspective of the people and see how propaganda fuels their system.
@@hectorsumaoang2320 For Mags I love to understand the beginning of the Career system. Why the kids are volunteering for a "war" the Capitol holds in its hands.
In the books, Snow is more narcisstic and evil from the start. There was never any "turning point" for him, and he never really loved Lucy Gray, he only saw her as a possession--something to own. In the books he always referred to her as "mine" "my" "his" Lucy Gray.
@@noban419but that’s exactly what happens in the books. And everything about the movie and books are the same besides not being able to hear a characters thoughts in a movir
34:09 Lucy Gray is gone. There will be no spin offs. As snow put it; “The Capitol would forget her. The districts barely knew her. And District 12 had never accepted her as one of their own. In a few years there would be a vague memory that a girl had once sung in the arena and then that would be forgotten too. Goodbye Lucy Gray, we hardly knew you.” I’m gonna miss Lucy Gray too though, not gonna lie.
I think the book giving you more of his inner monologue shows you how terrible of a person snow is in a way that the movie wasn’t able to do and I think that is the only real way that movie fails the book in its adaptation
Snow narrates in the exact opposite manner than Katniss. Katniss narrated like she was trying to convince you see was a bad person and that she wasn’t in love with Peeta whereas Snow narrated like he was trying to convince you he was a good person and that he was in love with Lucy Gray.
He didn't love her. He is a narcissist. He literally started looking for her with a gun in his hand. She was a loose in to him. She realized that when he said how many people he killed (she realized his so called best friend was one of the body).
Lucy did not die. She sung songs with snow that she never preformed by that point, and Katniss sings later on in the trilogy, when rue dies. Meaning it was passed down. Also, very important, in the book, when he shoots the birds, that Lucy grey humming a noise for them to repeat so she can run off from her close location without being heard rustling around. In that moment snow knows she can’t move and get away without giving away her location. She does it to get away, but also very largely to mock him.
I listened to the audiobook for this way before the movie came out and I was shocked about the amount of songs in it… in fact the movie cut out a lot of songs by comparison lol, so I was wondering how much would be there. One cut I was shocked about is Lucy Gray singing the ‘deep in the meadow’ song to her cousin Maude Ivory, which is the same song katniss sings to Prim and Rue, I thought for sure the movie would’ve kept that one in
@@gdesiree29I know what a ballad is, but my god in the book the songs got so annoying. The overall pacing and length of the book was one of my only problems with the book, cos I do love it, but it could’ve easily been condensed. A good 50 pages could’ve been taken out. Then when you add page after page of song lyrics, and in a book you don’t know the tune of the song, so it’s just reading loads of lyrics. The movie definitely helped me enjoy the music more.
@@IBEtripzI haven’t read it (yet) but it probably translates better to see her perform it and hear the beautiful voice and emotion in the songs than to just read it. You can tell though that Suzanne Collins could see how well this aspect could translate to screen. Off to read the book now!
Tigris was a character from the original book trilogy but it was unknown at the time that she was Snow’s cousin. You saw Tigris in Mockingjay Part 2 she was the cat looking lady who hid Katniss, Peeta and Gale in her basement in the Capital with the knowledge that Katniss was there to kill Snow.
Maybe I’m reaching but I found that the proposal in the snake pit scene to be a microscopic representation of this entire movie(society, irl really). Clemecia (I think that’s her name), the one that tried to claim Snow’s ideas as her own, she could have just come out with the truth and own up to her lying, but instead she reached into the pit KNOWING she’d get bit. I think it speaks to the extent in which what people are willing to do for clout or to climb up the ranks in any way they can; to become the victor. So beautifully done. 👏🏽
I just love we don't know exactly what happened to Lucy Gray. I believe she survived and lived a life away from Panem. I also love that Lucy Gray haunts Snow for the rest of his life despite his efforts to erase her from history. She lived on through Katniss, her songs (specifically The Hanging Tree), and the Mockingjays.
Tom said, "Coriolanus at this point in his life is still relatively innocent, he's not undergone the kind of transformation to become future president of Panem and future tyrant. He is at this point in this story is still a cousin/brother to Tigris, a grandson to his Grandmom, he's still got love in his heart he's not lost hope yet. And for me that was so interesting about playing him, getting to lift the lid and kind of look at him before he undergoes that transformation....." This is not about defending, but this is a tragedy of humanity. A downfall of the natural goodness that was born into us all. We became evil because of our choices, crossing that line. "What about his inner voice?" Talk about the inner monologue as if what we think doesn't come from something we see or hear, something we learn and process. There's always a reason why. Humans are complex creatures. This isn't black or white. It's not that simple. Yes, i agree his dark side always win. Dean Casca Highbottom hatred to him isn't helping, Dr. Gaul's influence, Grandma's words, "use her or you'll die like your father. Make your father proud" is etched on his heart.
Snow it never felt like he genuinely loved lucy. If he had to kill her for his convenience he would. Because he like the ideanof her. He loved her like somone would love a possession
@@balkanbaroquebut it is. It’s a part of the books. He says “she belongs to me. She is my girl.” He also is extremely possessive in the books and it isn’t real love. He goes out to kill her the moment he fully realizes that he can’t Control her.
This story accomplished in one film what the Star Wars prequels could not accomplish in three films: show a man's fall from grace. George Lucas may have come up with some good story ideas for the prequels, but he should have been self-aware enough of his failings as a screenwriter to turn those ideas over to a more accomplished screenwriter who could have given Annakin's story more depth and pathos. The story of Annakin turning to the dark side of the force has always felt rushed and completely unconvincing, even given three films to show the corruption of a man's soul. "The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes" did a masterful job of making me care for a man who had been previously shown in the other films to be pure evil; thus, it was able to make me wince at every corrupting misstep Snow made in his gradual darkening of the soul. As a major Star Wars fan, this is how I wanted the prequels to make me feel about Annakin's journey.
This is from Tom and Rachel interview. Tom said.. "If I had to pick one, I would say they are in love for a short time, short but sweet time. But, is it love of circumstance, is it born out of circumstance and out of need for each other, and then the question is what even is love? Does love have to be just like this pure thing that comes out of nowhere or sometimes out of circumstance, is it out of what one person needs from another.. so yeah, I would say.. YES, BUT.." Tom said.. "The challenge, the imbalance of power that they're fighting, the ambiguity of it, I think Coryo was looking at her thinking, "I love her but she feels dangerous to me", she feels like the very chaos that he's been taught you have to control in order to have a flourishing society that he wants to live in and she kinda represent the chaos, the fire, the music and the life, and he's been taught to squash all that down in order to have control and be powerful.." Rachel said, "and ironically he represents a very similar thing for her because she views the capitol as disorder and he views the districts as disorder. And when we were approaching our scenes together it was mostly for me at least, what percentage of her doubts, what he's saying to her right now on this given day, because she doesn't really know for a majority of it. The first thing that happens between the two of them is the guards say that he wants to help her but he also gets money so which is it, he say both. There is an unbridled honesty to a certain extent that makes you want to root for them, but the reality is that both of them are very much team self-preservation and survival" Rachel said, "I'm also team LOVE, BUT.." th-cam.com/video/w3NRJDBJImU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wZFAAqgBNy8PGbbu
True his best friend and gf have rebel vibes bc she’s too free like a bird and he’s quick to betray people just bc he feels they betrayed him or ruining his chances of trying to get home
Glad u guys enjoyed it. I watched your full movie reaction and i enjoyed it for the 6th time lol. People who are complaining about the singing need to go read the book ...like they are following the book
I just read the book, and I strongly believe Katniss maybe related to Lucy gray through Maude Ivory Baird a member of the Covey and the younger cousin of Lucy Gray Baird and Barb Azure Baird. Also there's mention that mostly everyone in District 12 had dark hair and Katniss's mom and sister both have blonde hair. There's also the aquatic plant that the Covey band feed on (katniss flower) and they would visit that lake and get it there.
I think snow, even from the beginning had a bit of bad in him and it escalated later by the things that became access to him. It was slowly shown but it was obvious he’d do wtv he wanted w wtv consequences came so long as he came on top bc from the beginning it showed he idolized his dad, he wanted what his dad was and what his family status used to be and Tigris told him all she remembered of him was evil etc, casca made it clear his father was bad too and at the end when he came back dressed in red, Tigris says he looks like his dad. I also don’t think he truly loved Lucy bc Lucy was his way out of the slumps he lived in and a way to restore his family name like he always wanted and bc of that, I think he took a fixation on her and like some other person said, became obsessed. Everything he did was on his own free will
I am a diehard fan of the first 3 books I can repeat them verbatim. Favorite character being Peeta. My first reading of the book was because my 14th wanted to see the new movie and told me it explained why Snow hated Katniss. First reading I didn’t see it because I could not get passed my hated of Snow. She told me I was wrong that it did so I read it again. Knowing that Peeta represented peace and rebirth and Gale represented war and destruction I paid more attention to Snow’s narration on Gaul (war and destruction) and Sejanus (peace and rebirth). Whereas Katniss started to understand what Peeta was saying and his point of view which began to change her views because of that understanding i.e. wanting to show the capital he was more than a piece in their game and doing everything he could to ensure her survival in the games Snow rejected Sejanus beliefs think himself better than Sejanus and Snow began to understand Gaul’s views and started changing to think all human’s when faced with things like war or an area would lose there humanity to save themselves. Katniss proved what Snow believed wrong untimely choosing to risk her life or die herself so that Peeta would live when faced with something like a war or an area. Similar to Katniss distrust of Peeta and not being sure if his feelings were transactional or genuine during the first book Snow could not determine if Lucy Gray’s feelings were transactional or genuine. Katniss however eventually trusted Peeta had genuine feelings and around the Quarter Quell Katniss became aware of her own. Whereas Snow did not come to trust Lucy Gray’s leading to what may or may not have happened to her. Hence Snow seeing the star crossed lovers’s routine and becoming obsessed with destroying Katniss. His obsession he admits to being his fatal flaw that would lead to his downfall. Even when Snow realizes Katniss loves Peeta he can not give up that obsession due to his own relationship with Lucy Gray and sets out to use Peeta has his means of destroying Katniss. Would have loved to see Snow’s salty reaction to Katniss and Peeta once again not being able to kill the other one then growing back together and building a life together. Ultimately at the end of the trilogy it turns our Katniss was a girl so in love with a boy she would rather die eating those berries then live without him proving Snow wrong
He didn't really love her... his inner dialog in the books said he didn't love her. He seemed infatuated. She did what SHE had to by leaving, He was trying to find a reason to feel paranoid. He didn't have to leave with her when he found the gun🤷🏾♀️.
@@balkanbaroqueyes, because you can’t hear their thoughts in a movie. You know their thoughts in a book. It’s the same exact story. Isn’t changed up at all. Hunger game book to movie adaptations are done correctly, by keeping the story as it is.
It’s like yall didn’t even watch The Hunger Games no way yall are on his side 😂😂😂🙄 I’m not done with the video yet so I could be speaking outta turn but sheesh.
There are a couple of fan theories related to Lucy and Katniss... Personally I dont think she is her direct lineage but is related as Katniss always goes to the lake that only Lucy's family knew about and they hanging tree song that Lucy wrote katniss said "Its a family song"
Lucy Gray Braid is possibly Katniss’ second cousin twice removed. If you read all 4 books it’s implied in the writing that Lucy Gray’s cousin Maude Ivory Baird the blond girl who sings Keep on the Sunnyside is Katniss’s paternal grandmother. Lucy Gray wrote the Hanging Tree and only performed it once with no recording. Lucy Gray says Maude Ivory can memorize any song after hearing it once which Katniss admits to being able to do when talking about her father teaching her the Hanging Tree in Mockingjay. So in order for Mr. Everdeen to know the Hanging Tree he would have had to learn it from his mother Maude Ivory. Mr. Everdeen was a known singer with a beautiful voice who could make mockingjays fall silent so he was more than likely born Covey. The Covey knows of the house on the lake that was Katniss’s special place with her father and the Covey called swamp potatoes Katniss. The Covey naming convention means you are named after a color and a ballad so it is theorized the for unknown reasons Everdeen was originally Evergreen and was changed. Evergreen is a ballad from a Star is Born which includes the line “Like a rose under the April snow”. Lucy Gray is an old English ballad about a little girl disappearing in a snow storm.
My current ranking of the franchise: TBOSAS/Catching Fire (I love them both I cant decide which one I like more) The Hunger Games Mockingjay pt 2 Mockingjay pt 1
Some people think that Lucy Gray’s cousin Maude Ivory is Katniss’ relative. I could see her staying in 12 (I can't remember if it says if the Covey stays in the book or not) it makes sense to me though.
Love ya’lls reaction and you all hit the points straight on 💯 really made me realize shit and people who don’t like this movie or the book just don’t understand it but it actually is a great story and genius way to show how snow became who he eventually became overall
Love this movie, great acting and everything came full circle. Snow revolutionized the hunger games 😆 Hear me out ...could Lucy Grey grow up to be President Alma Coin in Mocking Jay OR at least related to her? We see Snow grew old and like Rob said, her character was too big to kill off screen. What y'all think?
No, she's not Coin. Coin COULD be related to Lucy Gray, but there's no way Lucy Gray would EVER suggest that the Districts start their own Hunger Games. Lucy Gray doesn't even consider herself "district". She's just Covey.
@@Lady-Seashell-Bikini I could certainly see her being Coin's mother, if she escaped to District 13; it would explain why Coin hates the Capitol with such a burning passion. I've even seen a few suggestions that, if something happened between Lucy and Coryo off-screen, Coin might be Lucy and Coryo's daughter, which would make her becoming the next president of Panem and overthrowing Snow even more poetic irony. There's no support for that in the books though, so probably not.
No one knows what truly happened to Lucy Gray and Suzanne Collins wanted it that way, actually in the books Katniss says there’s only been two winners from district 12, one is Haymitch and the other one no one knows his name because Snow did everything in his power to erase him from existence. I actually like that they leave it as a mystery because Snow lives his entire life haunted by her, and she did came back to haunt him, it might not be really her but through another girl from 12 called Katniss🤍
This black reaction dudes interesting reaction 🤣🤣🤣 But movie so dope and i like this movie characters ❤❤❤👌👌👌 , just not like this movie that b lack evil women 👎 ... !!!
Be nicer in your comments and maybe people will listen to your suggestions. You wouldn’t tell a stranger doing their job outside in a way you didn’t like it, to shut up? Would you?
In an ironic way even tho they tried to erase Lucy Grey from history she came back with both Katniss and the song she wrote. Katniss a girl from 12 became the Mockingjay a bird that Snow in the book HATED and the Hanging tree song became the anthem of the rebellion 65yrs later ❤🔥
in a way Lucy Grey got the last laugh and who knows might have outlived him
Nah fr. I fully believe she survived. I also just love to think of her living out in some cabin in the woods somewhere, an old woman, still singing songs from her youth, and then hearing that snow got taken down by someone called Katniss, who’s moniker is the mockingjay, and used her song while doing it? She would probably laugh her ass off.
Karma for real
@@rjcommentary4580 I do think she's still Alive. She told snow that she's a mystery
@@rjcommentary4580 Same. I believe that Lucy Gray got away and managed to live outside the districts. Maybe she reached Canada or maybe she's right outside of 12. Perhaps the rest of the Covey found her. Who knows, but I don't believe Snow killed her.
@@rjcommentary4580to be fair though, in the books the “hanging tree” song wasn’t as prevalent. The footage of her singing it never aired like it did in the movie, therefore snow never heard her sing it and it didn’t become a rallying cry for the rebels. That was all just for the movie.
The book does not specifiy if Lucy Gray is dead or alive. It's a mystery, like her.
The most logical sequel, which I am sure Lionsgate is pressing Suzanne Collins to write, is about Mags. Mags was the old lady in Catching Fire--Finnick's district partner. who walked into the poison fog She won the year after Lucy Gray when Snow was a Gamemaker.
I wonder what Suzanne can write about in Mag's games. I would like to see what goes on in the Capitol through the perspective of the people and see how propaganda fuels their system.
I’m begging for Haymich games 🥰
@@hectorsumaoang2320 For Mags I love to understand the beginning of the Career system. Why the kids are volunteering for a "war" the Capitol holds in its hands.
liongate has a specific contract stating they cant force suzanne anything. and suzanne writes when she wants to write
They aren't forcing her to do anything. Anyway, the most logical follow up would be Snow's rise to the presidency.
In the books, Snow is more narcisstic and evil from the start. There was never any "turning point" for him, and he never really loved Lucy Gray, he only saw her as a possession--something to own. In the books he always referred to her as "mine" "my" "his" Lucy Gray.
Unreliable narrator...
@@noban419but that’s exactly what happens in the books. And everything about the movie and books are the same besides not being able to hear a characters thoughts in a movir
Snow didn’t love her genuinely…he loved her how you love a possession he felt like he owned her.
He kept calling her "my girl" in the books and got extremely jealous just at the mention that she had a previous boyfriend.
@@Lady-Seashell-Bikinilol he was furious when she sang that song on stage 😂
I disagree…it just was toxic love.
Thats how the majority of people love. I feel like so many (female) fans missed the point of this novel.
@@lavinder11I don’t think you read the book, idk
34:09 Lucy Gray is gone. There will be no spin offs. As snow put it;
“The Capitol would forget her. The districts barely knew her. And District 12 had never accepted her as one of their own. In a few years there would be a vague memory that a girl had once sung in the arena and then that would be forgotten too. Goodbye Lucy Gray, we hardly knew you.”
I’m gonna miss Lucy Gray too though, not gonna lie.
keep in mind that Mags (the old lady from catching fire) won the 11th hunger games so that water mutts you saw were used in her games
@@naahid2104that’s awful!
I think the book giving you more of his inner monologue shows you how terrible of a person snow is in a way that the movie wasn’t able to do and I think that is the only real way that movie fails the book in its adaptation
For example you don’t get to see how much snow hated sejanus and basically thought he was beneath him and didn’t care that he died at all
Snow narrates in the exact opposite manner than Katniss. Katniss narrated like she was trying to convince you see was a bad person and that she wasn’t in love with Peeta whereas Snow narrated like he was trying to convince you he was a good person and that he was in love with Lucy Gray.
@@scahearn6279love love love this
He didn't love her. He is a narcissist. He literally started looking for her with a gun in his hand. She was a loose in to him. She realized that when he said how many people he killed (she realized his so called best friend was one of the body).
Lucy did not die. She sung songs with snow that she never preformed by that point, and Katniss sings later on in the trilogy, when rue dies. Meaning it was passed down. Also, very important, in the book, when he shoots the birds, that Lucy grey humming a noise for them to repeat so she can run off from her close location without being heard rustling around. In that moment snow knows she can’t move and get away without giving away her location. She does it to get away, but also very largely to mock him.
Y’all completely missed the fact that Snow was NEVER TRUSTWORTHY
I don’t know why I didn’t expect so much singing from the movie when it was literally in the movie name 😂
I listened to the audiobook for this way before the movie came out and I was shocked about the amount of songs in it… in fact the movie cut out a lot of songs by comparison lol, so I was wondering how much would be there. One cut I was shocked about is Lucy Gray singing the ‘deep in the meadow’ song to her cousin Maude Ivory, which is the same song katniss sings to Prim and Rue, I thought for sure the movie would’ve kept that one in
People complain about it but there is way more singing in the book. Some don't know what ballad and songbirds mean lol
@@gdesiree29I know what a ballad is, but my god in the book the songs got so annoying. The overall pacing and length of the book was one of my only problems with the book, cos I do love it, but it could’ve easily been condensed. A good 50 pages could’ve been taken out. Then when you add page after page of song lyrics, and in a book you don’t know the tune of the song, so it’s just reading loads of lyrics. The movie definitely helped me enjoy the music more.
@@davidfairweather3301 I agree 100%. I hated how much she sang in the book but I really liked it in the movie.
@@IBEtripzI haven’t read it (yet) but it probably translates better to see her perform it and hear the beautiful voice and emotion in the songs than to just read it. You can tell though that Suzanne Collins could see how well this aspect could translate to screen. Off to read the book now!
Tigris was a character from the original book trilogy but it was unknown at the time that she was Snow’s cousin. You saw Tigris in Mockingjay Part 2 she was the cat looking lady who hid Katniss, Peeta and Gale in her basement in the Capital with the knowledge that Katniss was there to kill Snow.
Nah cause tell me why I jumped first time when Reaper try’s to lunge forward in chains during the interview 😂
Maybe I’m reaching but I found that the proposal in the snake pit scene to be a microscopic representation of this entire movie(society, irl really). Clemecia (I think that’s her name), the one that tried to claim Snow’s ideas as her own, she could have just come out with the truth and own up to her lying, but instead she reached into the pit KNOWING she’d get bit. I think it speaks to the extent in which what people are willing to do for clout or to climb up the ranks in any way they can; to become the victor. So beautifully done. 👏🏽
Oh wow, I hadn’t thought about it like that. That makes so much sense.
Yes that’s a good representation wow really does show what snakes aka clout chasers look like
I always said why didn't she just fess up instead of putting her hand in that den of snakes 🤔
I just love we don't know exactly what happened to Lucy Gray. I believe she survived and lived a life away from Panem. I also love that Lucy Gray haunts Snow for the rest of his life despite his efforts to erase her from history. She lived on through Katniss, her songs (specifically The Hanging Tree), and the Mockingjays.
14:17 not the human Chuckie doll 😭😭😭
Tom said, "Coriolanus at this point in his life is still relatively innocent, he's not undergone the kind of transformation to become future president of Panem and future tyrant. He is at this point in this story is still a cousin/brother to Tigris, a grandson to his Grandmom, he's still got love in his heart he's not lost hope yet. And for me that was so interesting about playing him, getting to lift the lid and kind of look at him before he undergoes that transformation....."
This is not about defending, but this is a tragedy of humanity. A downfall of the natural goodness that was born into us all. We became evil because of our choices, crossing that line.
"What about his inner voice?"
Talk about the inner monologue as if what we think doesn't come from something we see or hear, something we learn and process. There's always a reason why.
Humans are complex creatures.
This isn't black or white. It's not that simple.
Yes, i agree his dark side always win. Dean Casca Highbottom hatred to him isn't helping, Dr. Gaul's influence, Grandma's words, "use her or you'll die like your father. Make your father proud" is etched on his heart.
Snow it never felt like he genuinely loved lucy. If he had to kill her for his convenience he would. Because he like the ideanof her. He loved her like somone would love a possession
That’s not true
@@balkanbaroquebut it is. It’s a part of the books. He says “she belongs to me. She is my girl.” He also is extremely possessive in the books and it isn’t real love. He goes out to kill her the moment he fully realizes that he can’t Control her.
This story accomplished in one film what the Star Wars prequels could not accomplish in three films: show a man's fall from grace. George Lucas may have come up with some good story ideas for the prequels, but he should have been self-aware enough of his failings as a screenwriter to turn those ideas over to a more accomplished screenwriter who could have given Annakin's story more depth and pathos. The story of Annakin turning to the dark side of the force has always felt rushed and completely unconvincing, even given three films to show the corruption of a man's soul. "The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes" did a masterful job of making me care for a man who had been previously shown in the other films to be pure evil; thus, it was able to make me wince at every corrupting misstep Snow made in his gradual darkening of the soul. As a major Star Wars fan, this is how I wanted the prequels to make me feel about Annakin's journey.
This is from Tom and Rachel interview.
Tom said..
"If I had to pick one, I would say they are in love for a short time, short but sweet time.
But, is it love of circumstance,
is it born out of circumstance
and out of need for each other,
and then the question is what even is love?
Does love have to be just like this pure thing that comes out of nowhere or sometimes out of circumstance, is it out of what one person needs from another..
so yeah, I would say.. YES, BUT.."
Tom said..
"The challenge, the imbalance of power that they're fighting, the ambiguity of it, I think Coryo was looking at her thinking,
"I love her but she feels dangerous to me", she feels like the very chaos that he's been taught you have to control in order to have a flourishing society that he wants to live in and she kinda represent the chaos, the fire, the music and the life, and he's been taught to squash all that down in order to have control and be powerful.."
Rachel said,
"and ironically he represents a very similar thing for her because she views the capitol as disorder and he views the districts as disorder. And when we were approaching our scenes together it was mostly for me at least, what percentage of her doubts, what he's saying to her right now on this given day, because she doesn't really know for a majority of it.
The first thing that happens between the two of them is the guards say that he wants to help her but he also gets money so which is it, he say both.
There is an unbridled honesty to a certain extent that makes you want to root for them, but the reality is that both of them are very much team self-preservation and survival"
Rachel said, "I'm also team LOVE, BUT.."
th-cam.com/video/w3NRJDBJImU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wZFAAqgBNy8PGbbu
True his best friend and gf have rebel vibes bc she’s too free like a bird and he’s quick to betray people just bc he feels they betrayed him or ruining his chances of trying to get home
Glad u guys enjoyed it. I watched your full movie reaction and i enjoyed it for the 6th time lol.
People who are complaining about the singing need to go read the book ...like they are following the book
The whole movie and what it's about completely went thru yalls head.
I really like the split screen format.
OMG SAME
I just read the book, and I strongly believe Katniss maybe related to Lucy gray through Maude Ivory Baird a member of the Covey and the younger cousin of Lucy Gray Baird and Barb Azure Baird. Also there's mention that mostly everyone in District 12 had dark hair and Katniss's mom and sister both have blonde hair. There's also the aquatic plant that the Covey band feed on (katniss flower) and they would visit that lake and get it there.
Rob missing the point everytime he watches a movie never ceases to amaze me like cmon it's not that hard to pay attention....
I think it was the best out of the series just due to the story. Want to go back even more for the history of what happened to america.
I think snow, even from the beginning had a bit of bad in him and it escalated later by the things that became access to him. It was slowly shown but it was obvious he’d do wtv he wanted w wtv consequences came so long as he came on top bc from the beginning it showed he idolized his dad, he wanted what his dad was and what his family status used to be and Tigris told him all she remembered of him was evil etc, casca made it clear his father was bad too and at the end when he came back dressed in red, Tigris says he looks like his dad. I also don’t think he truly loved Lucy bc Lucy was his way out of the slumps he lived in and a way to restore his family name like he always wanted and bc of that, I think he took a fixation on her and like some other person said, became obsessed. Everything he did was on his own free will
Nah rob jumped hard as hell for a sec 🤣
When?
@@cheekschu21528:56🤣🤣
I am a diehard fan of the first 3 books I can repeat them verbatim. Favorite character being Peeta. My first reading of the book was because my 14th wanted to see the new movie and told me it explained why Snow hated Katniss. First reading I didn’t see it because I could not get passed my hated of Snow. She told me I was wrong that it did so I read it again. Knowing that Peeta represented peace and rebirth and Gale represented war and destruction I paid more attention to Snow’s narration on Gaul (war and destruction) and Sejanus (peace and rebirth). Whereas Katniss started to understand what Peeta was saying and his point of view which began to change her views because of that understanding i.e. wanting to show the capital he was more than a piece in their game and doing everything he could to ensure her survival in the games Snow rejected Sejanus beliefs think himself better than Sejanus and Snow began to understand Gaul’s views and started changing to think all human’s when faced with things like war or an area would lose there humanity to save themselves. Katniss proved what Snow believed wrong untimely choosing to risk her life or die herself so that Peeta would live when faced with something like a war or an area.
Similar to Katniss distrust of Peeta and not being sure if his feelings were transactional or genuine during the first book Snow could not determine if Lucy Gray’s feelings were transactional or genuine. Katniss however eventually trusted Peeta had genuine feelings and around the Quarter Quell Katniss became aware of her own. Whereas Snow did not come to trust Lucy Gray’s leading to what may or may not have happened to her. Hence Snow seeing the star crossed lovers’s routine and becoming obsessed with destroying Katniss. His obsession he admits to being his fatal flaw that would lead to his downfall. Even when Snow realizes Katniss loves Peeta he can not give up that obsession due to his own relationship with Lucy Gray and sets out to use Peeta has his means of destroying Katniss. Would have loved to see Snow’s salty reaction to Katniss and Peeta once again not being able to kill the other one then growing back together and building a life together. Ultimately at the end of the trilogy it turns our Katniss was a girl so in love with a boy she would rather die eating those berries then live without him proving Snow wrong
He didn't really love her... his inner dialog in the books said he didn't love her. He seemed infatuated. She did what SHE had to by leaving, He was trying to find a reason to feel paranoid. He didn't have to leave with her when he found the gun🤷🏾♀️.
The movie felt a little different bro
@@balkanbaroqueyes, because you can’t hear their thoughts in a movie. You know their thoughts in a book. It’s the same exact story. Isn’t changed up at all. Hunger game book to movie adaptations are done correctly, by keeping the story as it is.
“Chuckie wins” 😭💀💀💀
It’s like yall didn’t even watch The Hunger Games no way yall are on his side 😂😂😂🙄 I’m not done with the video yet so I could be speaking outta turn but sheesh.
Nah I agree with you
There are a couple of fan theories related to Lucy and Katniss... Personally I dont think she is her direct lineage but is related as Katniss always goes to the lake that only Lucy's family knew about and they hanging tree song that Lucy wrote katniss said "Its a family song"
Lucy Gray Braid is possibly Katniss’ second cousin twice removed. If you read all 4 books it’s implied in the writing that Lucy Gray’s cousin Maude Ivory Baird the blond girl who sings Keep on the Sunnyside is Katniss’s paternal grandmother. Lucy Gray wrote the Hanging Tree and only performed it once with no recording. Lucy Gray says Maude Ivory can memorize any song after hearing it once which Katniss admits to being able to do when talking about her father teaching her the Hanging Tree in Mockingjay. So in order for Mr. Everdeen to know the Hanging Tree he would have had to learn it from his mother Maude Ivory. Mr. Everdeen was a known singer with a beautiful voice who could make mockingjays fall silent so he was more than likely born Covey. The Covey knows of the house on the lake that was Katniss’s special place with her father and the Covey called swamp potatoes Katniss. The Covey naming convention means you are named after a color and a ballad so it is theorized the for unknown reasons Everdeen was originally Evergreen and was changed. Evergreen is a ballad from a Star is Born which includes the line “Like a rose under the April snow”. Lucy Gray is an old English ballad about a little girl disappearing in a snow storm.
My current ranking of the franchise:
TBOSAS/Catching Fire (I love them both I cant decide which one I like more)
The Hunger Games
Mockingjay pt 2
Mockingjay pt 1
Don’t love violence rob.✝️
In the book... i believe it was his thought not her words. In the movie it was both she said what he was thinking
Some people think that Lucy Gray’s cousin Maude Ivory is Katniss’ relative. I could see her staying in 12 (I can't remember if it says if the Covey stays in the book or not) it makes sense to me though.
Love ya’lls reaction and you all hit the points straight on 💯 really made me realize shit and people who don’t like this movie or the book just don’t understand it but it actually is a great story and genius way to show how snow became who he eventually became overall
Did you guys not watch any of the trailers? Y’all were surprised by every big actor in the movie?
OMGGGG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!
The guy in the middle can’t hush omg
That’s NoT NICE.
Love this movie, great acting and everything came full circle. Snow revolutionized the hunger games 😆
Hear me out ...could Lucy Grey grow up to be President Alma Coin in Mocking Jay OR at least related to her?
We see Snow grew old and like Rob said, her character was too big to kill off screen. What y'all think?
No, she's not Coin. Coin COULD be related to Lucy Gray, but there's no way Lucy Gray would EVER suggest that the Districts start their own Hunger Games. Lucy Gray doesn't even consider herself "district". She's just Covey.
@@Lady-Seashell-Bikini I could certainly see her being Coin's mother, if she escaped to District 13; it would explain why Coin hates the Capitol with such a burning passion. I've even seen a few suggestions that, if something happened between Lucy and Coryo off-screen, Coin might be Lucy and Coryo's daughter, which would make her becoming the next president of Panem and overthrowing Snow even more poetic irony. There's no support for that in the books though, so probably not.
No one knows what truly happened to Lucy Gray and Suzanne Collins wanted it that way, actually in the books Katniss says there’s only been two winners from district 12, one is Haymitch and the other one no one knows his name because Snow did everything in his power to erase him from existence.
I actually like that they leave it as a mystery because Snow lives his entire life haunted by her, and she did came back to haunt him, it might not be really her but through another girl from 12 called Katniss🤍
Great reaction!!! Love this movie
Sorry to be off topic but do you guys have a beyblade reaction?
Magically ‼this 🏆🙂🙏🏼
Bro rob you trippin this movie was perfect in the movie theater
I’ve been a fan since you reacted to doja cat moo song I love the new courage title you have love you all where is the playlist from breaking bad ?😊
React to “la sociedad de la nieve”.
Can You guys react to kingdom live action movies ??
Finally 🎉🎉
This black reaction dudes interesting reaction 🤣🤣🤣
But movie so dope and i like this movie characters ❤❤❤👌👌👌 , just not like this movie that b lack evil women 👎 ... !!!
tinfoil hat rumor is Lucy Grey didnt only just live, she's Koin (sp?) from District 13 XD
No.
Yeh no. She’d be a million year sold
Shut up and stop laughing and making jokes while you watching a serious movie
Cope
Exactly!!!
Go watch a different reaction channel.
Be nicer in your comments and maybe people will listen to your suggestions. You wouldn’t tell a stranger doing their job outside in a way you didn’t like it, to shut up? Would you?
What is “LUCY GREY BAIRD”, grew up to be “ALMA COIN”!
It’s been confirmed that this isn’t true.
Also, the ballad of the songbirds and the snakes from the author is the main character and his influences having correlations to mainly philosophers
Can yall pease react to:
*SPIRIT: STALLION OF THE CIMARRON*
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I think the movie is badly written and the actress of Lucy Grey is abhorrent.
Hunger Games: The Musical is the worst thing I’ve seen in awhile. The actors/directors are fine but the material was garbage.
W bro
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W bluds